1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Baseball didn't have anywhere near full houses yesterday 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: or last night, but just partial crowds made all the 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: difference for me watching opening days. I spent a lot 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: of time watching the Rockies and the Dodgers, watched a 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: little bit of the Tigers yesterday, a little bit of 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: the Astros and the A's and you forget about the 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Astros got off kind of scott free where the fans 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: were going to be all in on the Astros, and 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: with the cheating scandal, well with the pandemic, fans weren't 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: able to go out, and the Oakland fans, the ones 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: in attendance were letting the Houston Astros know that, hey, 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: we got to make up for lost time with last 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: year where we didn't get to boo you yes time, 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: virtual taunting kind of full short and really kind of 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: have to be on top of them at this on 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: the fielding and there were a few fans let in 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: during the playoffs, but for the most part, stadiums were 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: empty last season and no more piped in or fan noise, 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: cardboard cutouts, and just listening to the crowd made a 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: really big difference. And you know, the poor person who's 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: producing a TV you know, the TV portion of the game, 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean has to be so relieved. Imagine a cutaway 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: to a fan who is an actual fan, not a 25 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: cardboard cut up. I mean, let's face a baseball there's 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: a lot going on in the stands. Sometimes there's more 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: going on in the stands than on the field. But 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: for the people lucky enough to be able to go 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: to a baseball game. And mcclevit and I were talking 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: about that yesterday, just to be able to go to 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: a game, Yeah, I miss it just sitting there, even 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: if there's nobody around me, but just sitting there and 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: taking in a game on a sunny afternoon would be awesome. Yeah, 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: we were talking on this, cyber Glass. I had never 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: been to an opening day game because they were always 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: during when I was a kid, they were during the day. Yeah. 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: And Pauli, though, however, got to skip school, Like I 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: think that would be a cool experience. I don't know 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: if you ever got to go and sit Sinnati beause 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: that was the first game, right, Yes, we would just 41 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: skip school. But Paulie actually brought a note to school 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: asking for the day off to go see the Cubs 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: opening Yeah. Yeah, eighty four and Cubs Opening Day. And 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: I went to a Catholic school and the nun was 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: in the Principles, sister Juthan, and I actually told her 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking the day off tomorrow to go see the 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Cubs play, and she appreciated my honesty instead of making 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: up something like I have a family thing or a 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: dental appointment. And it was Dwight Gooden's first game. And 50 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: Dwight Gooden got rocked by the Cubs and he was 51 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: really skinny and no one knew who he was, and 52 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: the Cubs were really good and eighty four, but it 53 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: happened to be Dwight Gooden's first game as the Cubs 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: home opener. Yeah. I got to see a couple of 55 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: home openers because it was always like a noon start 56 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Used to be a really big thing, by 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: the way, you know, with baseball, and we have this 58 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: discussion every year at this time. It feels like when 59 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: you have teams in the Northeast playing home games at 60 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: the beginning of April, it's interesting TV. The Tigers game 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: was really fast sinating yesterday where it's snowing Miguel Cabrera 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: hits a home run, doesn't know it's a home run. 63 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: He thinks that he's hit a double off the wall, 64 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: and he slides into second base. Not many guys slide 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: into second base after hitting a home run, but Miguel 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: Cabrera did that yesterday. I still don't know why you're 67 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: not able to move those games to areas where you 68 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: know the weather. It's just going to be a little 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: bit better and ensure that you're going to be able 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: to play a game. Because the Red Sox had their 71 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: game rained out yesterday, COVID affected the Mets in the Nationals. 72 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: I would have had another game at that time last 73 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: night would have been beneficial. Not that you know or 74 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: knew that COVID was going to impact you, but for 75 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: TV purposes, ESPN has that exclusivity and they wanted that 76 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: and didn't have a backup plan there. And if you 77 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: tuned in to watch baseball, there was no game last night, 78 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: but watching yesterday, certainly there was an awkward moment with 79 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: the Dodgers game with the Rockies and you had what 80 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: you thought was a home run with Cody Bellinger. Here's 81 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: the play by play call. This is a five seventy 82 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: the Dodgers Radio network, and this is called Cody Bellinger. 83 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Bellinger with a flyball the left center field and deep 84 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: back to the wall, and it is off Tappy his 85 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: glove over the wall and a home run. Now wait 86 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: a minute, well are they going to say that? A 87 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: fan interfered, and Dave Roberts is coming out said, look, 88 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: that's got to be a home run. Guys, and the umpires, 89 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I think you're going to be looking at this one, 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: and are they going to get a replay? Bellinger's still 91 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: standing out on the field. The umpires are talking to him. 92 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: Turner wasn't sure one of the world was going on. 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: That's Charlie Steiner with the call on KLAC and the 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: outfielder had the ball and then lost it, and Justin 95 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: Turner doesn't know if it's a home run or not, 96 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: so they pass each other. So be your hand a 97 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: home run. But then it turned out to be an 98 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: RBI single and then an out. Yeah, Pully, if I'm 99 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: a Dodgers fan, to me, that's funny when you're coming 100 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: up winning the World Series. I think the Dodgers won 101 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: like seventy two percent of the regular season games last year. 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: Which has to be some type of record. That's funny 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: when you're the defending World Series chance, losing an opening 104 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: day is no big deal when you're the World Series champ. 105 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 1: Here's the Dodger manager, Dave Roberts. The explanation I got 106 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: Eric was bold that you know, ultimately went out of 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the ballpark. But Cody the batter runner past Turner. So 108 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: when that happens, then the batter's automatically out, all right, 109 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: So kind of bizarre. Yesterday Clayton Kershawn got roughed up, 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: but it was beautiful weather in Colorado. You could see 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: Bellacher's wave in his hands and Turner, He's like going, 112 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: what are you like, go bat No, what are you doing? 113 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: You just cost me? Yes, Tohn. Yeah. Turner thought it 114 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: was caught, so he felt like he had to go 115 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: back to a first base. And they were totally got 116 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: confused and totally passed each other and screwed up the 117 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: whole thing. Thank you to welcome. Be sure to catch 118 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at 119 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: nine am Eastern six am Pacific on FLOX Sports Radio 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: and the iHeartRadio app. What's up everyone, It's me three 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: time NFL all pro Sean Mariner and I have a 122 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: new sports podcast called The lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. 123 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: This podcast is special to me is I get a 124 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: chance to talk to some of the best we've ever 125 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: done it on the field or the track. 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Jeff 132 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: Perlman is written the book New York Times bestselling author 133 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: of nine books, host of the two writers Slinging Yang podcast, 134 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: Showtime Magic, Kareem Riley, and the Lakers Dynasty of the 135 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, and now HBO making it into a series. Jeff, 136 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: good morning. How surprised were you that you hear from 137 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: a How did you hear from somebody who decided that 138 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: this would make for a great series. So there's a 139 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: guy named Jim Heck and he's a writer. And I 140 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: only knew him because I looked at his IMDb page 141 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: and he was the writer of Ice Age The Meltdown, 142 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: that was his main credit, and he wanted to come 143 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: to my house and sort of talk to me about 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: the idea of turning this Laker book into it. He's like, 145 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: I just think it could be something. And he shows 146 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: up at our house. This is when we lived in 147 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: New York, in New rochell New York, and he shows 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: up with a block of chocolate, a tomato, and a 149 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: bottle of fake wine, like that was his wooing material 150 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: that he brought. It was I think he was at 151 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Grand Central and just needed to bring something. He shows 152 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: up at our house and he's like, I just really 153 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: think this could be something good and I don't know, 154 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: and we're like all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Because if 155 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: you do this long enough, you do get stuff options 156 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: and it almost never becomes anything. I've had stuff options 157 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: many times by now, and never becomes anything. And here's 158 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: this guy, Isaihs the Meltdown, Jim Hackton. You think this 159 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: is going to be nothing? And that was probably seven 160 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: years ago, and now I don't know how this happened. 161 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: I sort of got I have no idea how this happened. 162 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing that's ever happened in my career. 163 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: What's the status of the production. They're starting to start 164 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: in the film, and they did the pilot already and 165 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: they're starting to film multiple episodes in a couple of 166 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: days actually, and it's fully cast and unbelievable. A lot 167 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: of times we look at a sports movie, we think 168 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: it's a sports movie, but it's about relationships. And I 169 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: don't know if it's different in a series, because you know, 170 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: how much of this is about actual basketball or the 171 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: relationships within the basketball team or you know, Jerry Buss 172 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: or pat Riley. So can you give us a sense 173 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: of what you think the direction is of Showtime? Well, 174 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: I think they're they're very hyper into the sort of 175 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: development of the dynasty, at least at this point, and 176 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: sort of not just Jerry Buss, but how he became 177 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: Jerry Buss, and you know, the blooming of Magic Johnson. 178 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: One thing they've done that I think is really cool 179 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: is if you look at the cast, they've combined a 180 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: lot of really established actors playing these big roles. You know, 181 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: Adrian Brodie, Sally Field is different, and then like the 182 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: guy playing Magic, who's awesome as this guy named Quincy, 183 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Isaiah is just a young, sort of unknown actor, and 184 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: it just seems like they're really emphasize the blooming of 185 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: relationships and the development of these characters, not just it's 186 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: not just going to be a stupid you know, look 187 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: at them play basketball. It's gonna throw a bunch of 188 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: balls out there and have actors play basketball really poorly. 189 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be more about the development of 190 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the characters, which is what you try to do in 191 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: a book. How do you cast Kareem Abdul Jabbar? You 192 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: get someone very tall. The guy playing them was a 193 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: play basketball cal so they cast is very tall. I mean, 194 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't you know. It's it's interesting because I've learned 195 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: a lot about sort of what goes into it and 196 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: how it's not just about hit, Like you don't just 197 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: want a seven foot two guy if all the other 198 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: actors are five foot eleven, so everything is in ratio 199 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: and everything is relative. Actually learned a lot just from 200 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: observing and sort of being kept in the loop about 201 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: everything and how it goes down. What's the one thing 202 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: that you took away from your book that you didn't know, 203 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: Like it became a lot larger or it stayed quieter, 204 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: than you thought it was going to. Actually, at the time, 205 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: I was unaware of the sort of demons of Jerry West. 206 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: I always saw it growing up and then watching basketball 207 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: that Jerry West was just calm, cool, collected, and then 208 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: you really get to know him and learn about him, 209 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: and he's a really tortured individual. It's kind of what 210 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: makes him great. But the everything he's gone through in 211 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: his boyhood sort of abuse that he said, he reminds 212 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: me a lot of Billy Bean. You try. I experienced 213 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: a lot of Billy Bean, the kind of the where 214 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: he can't watch a game. I remember covering the A's 215 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: and Billy Bean could not watch a game, and Jerry 216 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: West is basically Billy Bean, And I always on that 217 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: torture really interesting. Yeah, he's brought that up a couple 218 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: of times that you know, he had a shotgun under 219 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: his mattress and he was going to kill his dad 220 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: who was abusing his mom. And he said he used 221 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: to drive around like he couldn't even be in the 222 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: building sometimes with the Lakers with these big games that 223 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: he would drive around and then wait till the game 224 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: was over. So the one thing that's interesting you mentioned 225 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: in the intro of Norm Nixon and Magic Johnson. The 226 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: trading of Norm Nixon and Magic Johnson was thrilled when 227 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: norm Nixon was traded. He was not upset. Oh, there 228 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: was a real conflict between those two. Norm Nixon had 229 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: been the established point guard and really viewed as his 230 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: team and then Magic comes along and they kind of 231 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: handed to him and it's his team, and there was 232 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: no way it was going to work having those two 233 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: point guards. And it's not like they hated each other, 234 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: but it was not a very good Encourt basketball relationship. 235 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: How tough was Riley on these players? I mean, it's interesting. 236 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: He came in and when he arrived, he was he 237 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: was a completely inexperien. It's, you know, been a radio guy. 238 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, he'd been with Chickhern and then he's an 239 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: assistant under west End and suddenly he's a he's a 240 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: head coach and everyone's like, oh, it's it's pat Riley. 241 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Laid back pat Riley and over the years he developed 242 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: this term called peripheral distractions. That was his thing. We 243 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: can't have any peripheral distractions. And peripheral distractions meant the media. 244 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: He meant wives, and meant girlfriends and meant anything that 245 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: took away from the team at all, and he became 246 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: sort of hyper intense about it. And by the time 247 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: he was done. By the time his run ended, the 248 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Lago players wanted nothing to do with him because he'd 249 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: just had gone way over the top. But if you 250 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: remember when Right Thompson did a profile on pat Riley, 251 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: and then you got an idea because when Wright does 252 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: a deep dive, you're going to find out about that 253 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: person and you realize that's pat Riley, you know, perfectionist, 254 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: never happy, you know what. He grew up with it 255 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: with his father, and you know I would hear stories, 256 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: but I was never close enough that they they kind 257 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: of tolerated him, you know, at the end, they sort 258 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: of just tolerated ryles Man, but he had definitely worn 259 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: out as welcome. What's part of the book that you 260 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: might be not nervous about, but you know, maybe how 261 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: do you capture this in the true sense of what 262 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: it really was in the book? So there's my favorite 263 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: moment of all this stuff I wrote about from that 264 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: book is Magic Johnson's arrival in Los Angeles, and there's 265 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: this moment that I just love. He comes to LA 266 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: for the first time. So I negotiate with the Lakers. 267 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: And he's being driven in a limo down some street 268 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: and he sees arms as growing on a tree and 269 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: he tells a guy to stop the car, and he 270 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: gets out and he picks in arms because he's just 271 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: blown away by this idea that I'm in this land 272 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: where fruit is growing on a tree. And I just 273 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: think the essence of that team and that era and 274 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: everything about in that book can be summed up in 275 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: Magic John and picking an orange from a tree, And 276 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: just I don't know how. I'm not saying you can't 277 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: do it. How you capture the sort of late seventies, 278 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: early eighties guy who's never been to California, his life 279 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: about to change forever, all embodied by the beauty of 280 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: an orange on a tree and just being dazzled by 281 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: that fruit sitting there. I love that. I don't know 282 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: if I don't know how you capture that, but I 283 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: just think it's the most beautiful thing. Was there one 284 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: move that almost didn't happen or the other way like 285 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: they made a move and it benefited them, well, the 286 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: trade that almost happened that almost ended the Jerry Buss, 287 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Jerry West marriage was They almost traded James Worthy to 288 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: Dallas for Marcaguyre, and Jerry Buss agreed to the deal 289 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: with Don Carter, the Madaz owner, behind Jerry West's back 290 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: and goes and says to Jerry West, so we have 291 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: this deal worked out, and on paper, that's a complete 292 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: that's a very very fantasy basketball kind of trade, like 293 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: this is amazing. Marc guire average is twenty five a game. 294 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: And then you're stuck with Markoguire and Jerry West said, 295 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: if you make this trade, I'm done here. So that 296 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: trade I think almost ruined everything. Did they almost not 297 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: get magic or pass on magic? Whether they the first 298 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: choice of Jerry West. He's loathed to talk about this 299 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: is was Sydney Moncrief of out of Arkansas. It's actually 300 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: an interesting thing though I always say this, I mean, 301 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer if they if their backcourt is 302 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: Sydney Moncrieff, Norm Nixon with Kareem at center, Jamal Wilkes 303 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: at one, that's not a bad team. Yeah, it's not. 304 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: It's not the Showtime Lakers, but they're still probably there's 305 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: certainly in the in the topic of a kind of 306 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: a Championship. But you know, Moncrief did not have the 307 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: charisma and the spark one that Razzle dazzled a match Johnson, 308 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: But it was it was definitely considered strongly, but also 309 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: the style that they played. Jeff that it was Showtime? 310 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: Was Riley a fan of Showtime? Yeah? Well, you know 311 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: the thing that's interesting is it started Their first coats 312 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: was a guy named Jack McKinney. He was a coach. 313 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: People forget about this. Their first coach actually, um Jerry 314 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Tarkaanian was supposed to be the coach and he, Jerry 315 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Buss hired Jerry Tarkan. They agreed to it, and then 316 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: and then Jerry Tartainians agent turned up dead in the 317 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: trunk of a car, and that Tartanian decided not to 318 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: take the job. True story then they hired. Is there 319 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: is there a backstory on that, Jeff? That sounds like 320 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: a movie? Yeah, well there are a lot of There 321 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: were a lot of mafiostatizes, and I forgot exactly what 322 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: the agent had done, but he did. He crossed some 323 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: line you weren't supposed to cross and they end up 324 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: being killed. And this was a close friend of Tarkanian 325 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: and Tarcanian decided he couldn't take the job. There's too 326 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: much going on, blah blah blah blah blah. But then 327 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: they hired Jack McKinney, who had been a long time 328 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Saint Joe's assistant and head coach Jack Ramsey's assistant in Portland. 329 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: He's the head coach and everything's going great, and he 330 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: puts in this system that became known as Showtime. And 331 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: I think it was fourteen games or eleven games into 332 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: his first season, it's a day off. He has won 333 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: US coach in the quaint days of the NBA. Paul Westhead, 334 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: they're going to play tennis. Jack McKinney is riding his 335 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: bike to meet Paul Westhead, falls head head over heroes, 336 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: lands on his head. It's amazing how this was so 337 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: quaint of the day's amba. He was a John Doe 338 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: in the hospital, the head coach of Lakers. There's a 339 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: John Doe in the hospital, has suffer severe brain trauma. 340 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Paul west said, takes over runs Jack McKinney's system leads 341 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: the Lakers to the championship. McKinney has never brought back. 342 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: West Head wears out as welcome quick and Riley comes in. 343 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: So Riley just kind of resumed the system called I 344 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: mean he could started. They started calling it suverertime, but 345 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: it really was Jack McKinney system. Is it is it 346 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: one year? I mean it's one season, I should say 347 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: as far as HBO. Is that the commitment right now? Yeah? 348 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I think so. But I think the plan is to 349 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: do more than one. Okay, so yeah, I don't know 350 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: what the contractually what it is right now, but I 351 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: think the plan is doing more than one. You get 352 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: a camp you I did get a cameo. Do you 353 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: play yourself in the series? Well I would have only 354 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: been like six years old at the time, but did 355 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: you play They let h I played a reporter, my wife, 356 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: Catherine was Rod Thorne's executive assistant during the draft, and 357 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: my kids played extras during a scene in a Hollywood set. 358 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: So it's been really cool that it's been great. I 359 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: was also wondering we brought this up, like if you 360 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: were looking at like Kobe and Shock that that feels 361 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: like that would be an interesting series. I don't know, 362 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: if you right, I mean, I wrote a book. I 363 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: wrote a book on the air. If they if they 364 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: welcome them to option three ring circus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 365 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. Ye sure, why not. 366 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: I was wondering, is there another let's let's say you 367 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: could pick any other basketball mcleven, do you have a couple? Oh? 368 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, the Lebron Heat team, or 369 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: maybe the Kevin Durant and the Warriors recently, like a 370 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: moneyball version of the Warriors. I don't know if there's 371 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: any real drama there Lebron going back to the Calves, 372 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I heard you guys talking about it. I 373 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: wrote a book. My first book was about the eighty 374 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: six Mets, and that book has been optioned about seventy 375 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: three thousand times. And the Mets have always has been 376 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: a pain and pain in the butt about it. I'm 377 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: hoping new ownership maybe, but I think the eighty six 378 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: match great story. I don't know if we ever crossed pans, 379 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: but I was working at CNN and covering the Mets 380 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: back then, and I like, there's stories I can't tell, 381 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: but I mean it was crazy. One time I was 382 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: in Chicago. I can tell this, and this is even bad, 383 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: but I see Lenny Deistra at the China Club, and 384 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: Lenny has a dip. He's got a cigarette and he's 385 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: got a drink, and he had like all the vices, 386 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: well all the vices I knew of back then, but 387 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: he had it all gone on. And I just remember 388 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: whenever you were around these people, they were all there. 389 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: We're a big person even Gary Carter, you know, kid 390 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: was straight as can be, but he was a big personality. 391 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: Then you had Gooden who was private, you know, Strawberry 392 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: you never quite sure, Keith Hernandez, I was never quite sure, 393 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: Roger McDowell, you know, Danny heat just yet, like there 394 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: were all these personalities here, How did you kind of 395 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: keep track of, you know, who to go to and 396 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: who not to go to. I just want to say, 397 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: I just said to someone the other day, and I 398 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: bet you'd agree with this. If you had said to 399 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: someone in the the nineteen eighty six which of these players 400 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: is going to pass first? Gary Carter would have been 401 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: the last guy in that list. Yeah, it just would 402 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: have been the last guy. Yere was a straight, living, 403 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: clean blah blah blah blah blah. My favorite Dikestra is 404 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: they were at a golf club one time and there 405 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: were a bunch of priests in the golf club. I 406 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: don't know why, I pland golf or whatever. And in 407 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: the clubhouse and then he Dikester goes to a friend, 408 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: wats this, and he walks up to the priest, lifts 409 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: a leg and just drops a huge fart in front 410 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: of the priests like he was the most vile but entertaining. 411 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: He'd be a great character in a MOVI. Oh. I 412 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: just I think that that that team was just stuffed 413 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: with characters, as you noted, But you had eighty six Mets, 414 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: eighty six New York Giants and they only won one. 415 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: And I kept thinking both of those underachieved with the 416 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: talent that they had. But if you had LT with 417 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: Parcels and the Giants, that might have been an interesting 418 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: one as well. So you got it. Great, Yeah, Well, 419 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: good luck with this, Jeff. Congrats. It's a great book. 420 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: It's a showtime magic Cream Riley in the La Laker 421 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: Dynasty of the nineteen eighties, and now it's been greenlit 422 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: by HBO. Thank you, Jeff, all right, thanks dam all right. 423 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 424 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 425 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f 426 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: SR to listen live. Dick vital is the color analyst 427 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: on ESPN and the Hall of Famer Dickie be joining 428 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: us on the program. Dick, good morning. What do you 429 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: remember about that first game on ESPN? Well, remember getting 430 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: there real late. That no idea, that production meeting. Nobody 431 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: ever told me anything. It was like chaos. So I'm 432 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: walking the streets at Chicago. Finally I come to the game. 433 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: It's a true story there. I come to the game 434 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: about six six, twenty six thirty and the producers going nuts. 435 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: There's no iPhones on a day. He said, we've been 436 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: trying to call the hotel. Leave them. I said, I 437 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: haven't been at the hotel. I said, what the street? 438 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: I said, what's the big problem? So we get a game. 439 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: We get over an hour ago. I thought I'm just 440 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: gonna talk basketball. I had no clue when I was 441 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: doing guys clucking in my ear. You know, I hired 442 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: jocks like us out of a locker room, and the 443 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: critics start, We're taking I was lucky in that era 444 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: because we didn't have critics that writing all of those columns. 445 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: But they worked out forty two years that in a bank, 446 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: and I just signed an extension, So I really I'm 447 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: em blessed. I'm em blessed man working with guys like 448 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: you over the years and different colleagues that have helped 449 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: me so much, and I've been a lucky guy. But 450 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: did anybody try to make you a little more polished 451 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: when you first started out? You know? Not really? I 452 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: think they all told me. Basically. I remember Scotty Connell 453 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: always telling me, you know, you got three things. He 454 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: was like trying to convince me not to go back 455 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: coach in the college. I wanted to coach in college. 456 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: That's where I belong. That's where I fought my enthusiasm 457 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: along not the NBA, and got the ziggy in the 458 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: NBA after twelve games my second year, and I was damn. 459 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: I was really depressed there, I'll tell you. I was 460 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: sitting at home field and sorry if I wasn't, my 461 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: wife kicking me out of the house. Practically, when Scotty 462 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: called me up to say I want you to do 463 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: our first game, he heard about me because my last 464 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: game as a college coach, we played number one Michigan 465 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: in the Sweet sixteen when I was in the Universe 466 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: in Detroit, and they decided to televise the game. That 467 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: was NBC Scotty Connell doing a game. I was in awe. 468 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: John Wooden, indianalyst Kurt Gallay, the legendary and to play 469 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: my plan and I this is a true story. I 470 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: called my team over, I asked Scottie, as it can, 471 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: I have my share few words to my team about 472 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: the two gentlemen doing our game, and I give a 473 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: five minute speech about how in sports we use the 474 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: term greatness so often. I said, but this epitomizes greatness 475 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: right here. Ten national championships, all kinds of emmys in sports. 476 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: Right as, I'm honored, I'm in my thirties day people 477 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: think I'm enthusiastic. Now you should just see me back. 478 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: So we got and it was a big game for 479 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: us because it was David Goliath. They wouldn't class my 480 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: first year there. We beat them and upset that Michigan 481 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: We Campanella Russell, remember him, and we beat them. And 482 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: after that I couldn't get Johnny. You going to get 483 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: him out of schedule. So my players all that year 484 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: we won twenty one in a row, would be Mark Kennan. 485 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Two months later won the national championship. We beat Arizona. 486 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: We Michigan State, and my players would come in every day, coach, coach, 487 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: why can't we play Michigan, the number one in a country. 488 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: We're as good as they are. We play with those 489 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: guys in the summer. As a matter. I don't want 490 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: to hear it. They don't want to plass. I can't hear. 491 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: My assistant runs in after the season's over and he 492 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: hears that parids are out, and he comes running in 493 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: my office and he says, I'm gonna believe this. If 494 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: we get to the sweet sixteen, we played Michigan. Oh 495 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: my god. I called the team meeting. I got all 496 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: the players down. I said, you want Michigan, daddy off. Well, 497 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: we played that game and we lose a heartbreak. I 498 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: was told later by Scottie that when I got fired 499 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: by the Pistons, and he called me up, I wrote 500 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: your name down because Kirk County and John Wooden will 501 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: leave in the arena. So I love that guy's passion 502 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: and spirit, and he said, used to hire him. Scotty 503 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: and TV S what I've just been named of a 504 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: new network for remote hiring talent mo List, and he said, 505 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: I like to hire do our first game, and he says, ESPN. 506 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: I said them a true story there, I said, ESPN. 507 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: That sounds like a disease. What the hell's ESPN? Are 508 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: you kidding me? And you know what, It's been a 509 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: disease for me, and the four letters for me have 510 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: given me a life that succeeded in any dream I 511 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: ever had. What's the job you almost took to leave? ESPN? 512 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: Where is there a head coaching job that you nearly 513 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: left for my job I was trying to get. Nobody 514 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: really knew it except one guy found out. They roasted 515 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: me in Detroit the universe to make a lot of money, 516 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: and I told him he roast meat. I gotta pick 517 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: the roast. Jimmy V was one of my guys I've picked. 518 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: So Jimmy Vee gets up now he wants to be 519 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: last as able lemons, Jimmy V. Chuck Bailey. I had 520 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: a hell of a cast and we raised a lot 521 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: of money. But Jimmy gets up to speak at the end, 522 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: he mid surious, I want to go last. He goes 523 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: in his pocket and he says, I want to read 524 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: this letter to all you beautiful tighten lovers here in 525 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: the universe. Detroit about your coach here who you guys loved. 526 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: He said, this is the letter. Dear Dick, we are 527 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: sorry to inform you that we have decided to go 528 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: in a way of hiring Jim Melvano was our next coach. 529 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: He said, put this in your memory book. And he 530 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: said he found when he got the job there he 531 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: found that letter in the files and he wanted to 532 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: make it. But I don't think I would have got 533 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: the job at all. But that was a job was 534 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: interested in. But you know what, Dan, I didn't know. 535 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: I did not know what Scotti meant. You know the 536 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: business better than I and me. The I just I'm 537 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: got a big guy talk about the game. And the 538 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: bottom line is he hust always say to me the 539 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: first couple of years I was there, don't you don't 540 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: don't leave this. He said, you've got something that's rare. 541 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: You connect with people, whether they agree with you or disagree. 542 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: They're going to the water cooler and they said, do 543 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: you even think might tell said about that Dad, and 544 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know what he meant. Nineteen eighty three, they 545 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: assigned the ESPN my first my first Final four. I 546 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: go there. Euston's playing Dan, Jimmy V. Louisville, Georgia, and 547 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Kinch people coming up with pictures and autographs and all this, 548 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe that. At Scott he says, did 549 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: I tell you cannot do? That was the moment that 550 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: I said to myself, you know what, I love what 551 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: I'm doing. And right now I'll tell you what. They 552 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: can talk about Jaschevski, they can talk about all these 553 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: great coaches and their records. I got the best Dann 554 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: record forty two years. I haven't lost the game. I 555 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: have not lost the game. And I coach every team 556 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: in America CLA, Kentucky, Book Carolina by coach the Wall. 557 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: You got Gonzaga trying to go from you know, wire 558 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: to wire here and I know we love to compare 559 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: teams and generations, and you know, to me, I just say, 560 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: enjoy this if Gonzaga goes undefeated, enjoy seeing something you 561 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: haven't seen in a long time. Why is it we 562 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: want to It feels like people want to diminish what 563 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: Gonzaga could be attempting to do by going undefeated. Why 564 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: is that, Well, that's just sports Fanatically. I'm sitting like 565 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: when you argue for example, a baseball player, it becomes great. 566 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: How would you compare with Holy Maze? How would you 567 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: compare with Miki. That's just the way of life in sports. 568 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: But I agree jevity should be related to the era. 569 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Right now. They're the best of the best, and so 570 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: somebody can prove you can put them on now on 571 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: their register. I said before the seasons started, I said 572 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: it during the season, and I said it basically before 573 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: the tournament started. Actually, I said two and always happening. 574 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: They're just that good or offensively, Dan, they execute so well. 575 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: There's a stat that really impresses me. They lead the 576 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: nation and assists eighteen per game. No one that tells me, Dan. 577 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: They're unselfish, they share the ball, they love playing with 578 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: each other, and they're much better defenseman than people believe. 579 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: And then the cry you'll always get, well, who do 580 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: they beat in their conference? Well, take a look what 581 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: they beat pre conference. Kansas bloom they took they blew 582 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: out them. They took out certainly Kansas Virginia. My memory 583 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: tells me, Iowa blew them up. They can play. They 584 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: can play. They know what they got going as well. 585 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Nobody talks about I think they're fresh because the conference 586 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: wasn't as competitive as what you've seen in the Big 587 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: Ten and these various conferences. So they come into the 588 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: tournament I think physically a lot fresher than other teams, 589 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: and they're just a dye of my team. Now would 590 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: they be the greatest team of all time? I don't 591 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: think there's any shape or form that they would beat 592 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: lu outs in and u c LA because nobody LUTs 593 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: they can take you me and take God cool. And 594 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: you know what, we got a chance, dad chance. We're 595 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: talking to Dick Vitale, the ESPN College Basketball analysts, signing 596 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: a two year contract extension at the Mothership. Oh three 597 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: oh oh wow? My? Uh wait? Did ESPN make the 598 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: mistake that you signed a three year or two year? 599 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: Or did I make the mistake? Uh? You know you 600 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: were right what you reported. It was an error there 601 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: in the initial release press three years. I hope I 602 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: have another day tomorrow and when you're eighty one years old, 603 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: dad um. I don't know if this is why Roy 604 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: Williams retired, but he had one of his star players 605 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: who is deciding to transfer his seven foot or out 606 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: of Georgia UM and this transfer portal was interesting with 607 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: college basketball? Where do you Where is the sport headed 608 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: with the transfer portal. We've seen this in football, certainly 609 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, now with the basketball players, and it's the 610 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: worst thing that's ever happened to college basketball. I just 611 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: put up five tweets in a row today on Twitter. 612 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: They go to Dicky V they can see them, five 613 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: of them. How it's really got me now, to be 614 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: honest with you, I'm upset big time about it because, 615 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: first of all, we've given a bad message to kids. Look, 616 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: I understand some cases transfer should happen, just like I 617 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: put on Twitter. In real life, sometimes the best thing 618 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: for the couple is the divorce. I mean, just the 619 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: way of life. So sometimes a transfer is good. Then 620 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: I'll hear the argument all the time, Well, coaches leave 621 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: and they're eligible right away to play, why shouldn't players. Well, 622 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: it's not apples to apples, Dan, We got right now 623 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: today today, eleven hundred players in the transfer portal. You 624 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: don't have eleven hundred coaches. Come on, so here, I 625 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: got a solution for that problem. If a coach leaves 626 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: or if he's fired, those players should be automatically eligible 627 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: to transfer. If that's dear desire. So now you wipe 628 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: that argument out. It's creating such chaos, no stability it 629 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: used to be years ago. You know, players are not 630 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: getting play in time, and you can understand it. But 631 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: now we've got starters, they won't want to be recruited again. 632 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: All being chased and dying and one and no one's 633 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: going to get hurt the most. In schools like Dayton Detroit, 634 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: they will get a player to rise, to become a 635 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: real star talent. You can guarantee word and get out 636 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: to those kids. Hey, think about going to this school 637 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: in the ACC or this school in the Big ten, 638 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: and kids are gonna jump. I think we're teaching kids. Hey, 639 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: we're teaching kids to quit when things get tough. Life 640 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: is tough, Livestock won't smooth right now. We've got a pandemic, 641 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: post the six hundred thousand lives, We've got people friends 642 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: of yours, friends of mine, who lost their jobs. But 643 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: you don't why You've got to rally in tough times. 644 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: They're teaching kids ll pack the bags go And if 645 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: you were a coach today, you don't get the kid 646 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: in the wrong way. He said, Yeah, I'm going to 647 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: trancefer reporter. I just think it's the worst thing they 648 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: hit college. But and you know what, I had some 649 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: quality yesterday from coaches. They're up to here with it. 650 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: They're frustrated. You made a good point about Roy wins. 651 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 1: I certainly don't believe that's the only thing, but I 652 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: gotta believe. I remember remember talking to Roy about Oh 653 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: God a month ago before doing one of their games, 654 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: and we were talking on Zoom and we talked about 655 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: the transfer portal, and he's totally against it. I mean, 656 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: it's it's just really not healthy for the game of basketball. 657 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: It's just not healthy at all. And I don't think 658 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: it's healthy for everybody involved. Mark fu has said has 659 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: told me that he's had players transferred to him. Sitting 660 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: out the year was the best thing that happened that 661 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: every then became pros. They developed. What happened about developing players, Well, 662 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen when we get 663 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: rid of the one and done? Like, is basketball going 664 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 1: to be better when we get rid of the one 665 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: and done? You know, I'm just worried about the state 666 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: of the game, and I think what we need in basketball, 667 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: and I put this on Twitter too. We need a czar, 668 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: We need somebody representing college basketball, dealing with the NCAA, 669 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: dealing with issues come up, dealing with the NBA. About 670 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: the one and I don't get the perfect Keviny, I mean, 671 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: you can't get a better Kevin. Jay Bellis, no Joy Bellis. Well, 672 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: Jay would be great too, now he's a lawyer. But 673 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Jay isn't going to give up the luxury of TV. 674 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: That boy Williams always available. Why would Jay give up 675 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: work with the team. It's like stealing money working. I 676 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: would love to see Billis in that role because you know, 677 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: you got to listen to both sides, and uh, you know, 678 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: I always appreciate that Billis has a well thought out answer. 679 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: And I just don't think. I think that the NCAA 680 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: is rudderless there. There's there's nobody guiding the ship here, 681 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: and that's what concerns me, not just basketball, but sports, 682 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, across the board. Yeah, I agree with you 683 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: all about JJ's a brilliant mind, does a great I mean, 684 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: he's just not going to leave for something like that. 685 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, I will tell you this. 686 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: I have a real problem with something else you got today, 687 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: where I've got fired up coaches out there. I've been 688 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: allegations about cheating, about the transcript frauds, all those factors. 689 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: This happened five years ago. It's been discussed since the 690 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: FBI investigation has started, and no decisions been made here. 691 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: It is five years When did they make decisions? The 692 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: NC I don't understand, you know, talking They got to 693 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: go to this committee, that committee. Give me a break. 694 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't solve those problems within a 695 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: year and a half, two years, there's something wrong, something 696 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: wrong with the system, and the system has got to 697 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: get fixed. And they've better get on this transfer portal thing. 698 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: We should know what Dad, I think might come July, 699 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: we'll have close to two thousand kids transferred. It's every 700 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: day you pick it up, another kid is I'm owner 701 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: transfer portal. I'm gonna get recruited again. Wow. Can you imagine, Dad, 702 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: you planned a dating and you're on a transfer portal, 703 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: still all be chasing you for that jump shot. Yeah, 704 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: they wanted me to get in the transfer portal, Dick. 705 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: They asked me to leave. I'm just the problem. Hey, 706 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: congrats on the contract extension and always always great to 707 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: talk to you. Dick, thank you well, thank you so much. 708 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: One last thing, if I could just say this to 709 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: you there quickly, if people can help me raise money 710 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: for kids battling cancer for the V Foundation, just go 711 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: to dot com. They can make a donation goes to 712 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: the V Foundation. So far we raise thirty seven million 713 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: dollars and I need a lot of help right now. 714 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: Spits you with the pandemic. So go to dik fytel 715 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: dot com. Thank you, Bunny. 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