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Speaker 1: Speed off the edge. Might that be addressed this offseason?

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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me

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Speaker 1: for one final time this week for one final interview

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Speaker 1: from the scouting combine last week for Football Focus. This

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Speaker 1: Trevor Sikoma, who feels now is the right time for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals get a little quicker, a little faster with

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Speaker 1: their past rush, especially considering what's available in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: He joins us, it is always a good conversation with

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Speaker 1: Trevor at Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight fifty seven, and

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Speaker 1: it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: POA Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's a a ten half of five.

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Speaker 4: He's it again, So more hurry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Wow, here's Craig trailer.

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Speaker 1: And we're back. Danny, did you miss me?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Did?

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ask you because I know you did.

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Speaker 1: Always always enjoy our time here on Cardinals Cover too.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed our time last week in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that was just last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just feel like forever ago.

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Speaker 1: Longer days, yet you're always on the move, always on

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Speaker 3: Always have a headset on right, you're always talking to someone.

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Speaker 3: It's a great week. I love going out there. I'm

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Speaker 1: week from Pro Football Focus, their lead NFL Draft analyst,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Sikoma will join us here momentarily. But you bring

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Speaker 3: To me, the Combine's always been in Indianapolis, And when

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Speaker 1: No, so fans are fascinated with these college prospects. Again,

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Speaker 4: Without a question. Yeah, I mean it's so cool to

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Speaker 4: learn the players, but then you start to really get

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Speaker 4: is great as well. So I love the city of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: We were talking to you here this time. Last year,

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Speaker 3: Sure looking at the season for those rookies, some of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the Max was able to get the

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Speaker 4: in last year's class. I was a big fan of his,

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Speaker 4: it was great that he was getting playing time as

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Speaker 4: doubt about it. Didri and Taylor Demerson as well. Like,

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Speaker 4: he's somebody who I remember watching him at the Shrine Bowl,

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Speaker 4: whether it's Shrine Bowl, the Senior Boy or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're taking these guys or taking them out of their

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Speaker 4: So it takes a little bit of time for these

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be a wide receiver one for the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: moving forward. So even what we saw as a rookie,

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Speaker 4: I thought the money Austin Ford did a really good

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Speaker 1: Another one of those rookies that got some playing time

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Speaker 1: Trey Benson. I believe I'm mistaken the second or third

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Speaker 1: third round. He's behind James Connor, but that combination and

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, And Trey's a guy who he's physically built

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Speaker 4: He'll give you those tough yards that you love. But

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Speaker 4: and I think that, yeah, a lot of people with

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Speaker 4: the alien passers that we see in this league some

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Speaker 4: you know, the run game is dying. Football is always

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna play Nickel a lot, well, we're just

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Speaker 4: going to run it between the tackles. And I think

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Speaker 4: having two guys that you can trust, Trey Benson being

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Speaker 4: important for any team, but especially the Cardinals. They got

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Speaker 3: Looking at this year's draft class, big areas of need

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Speaker 3: for the Cardinals defensive line, yes, edge, two of the

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Speaker 3: more deep classes for this draft trait wise, What do

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Speaker 3: you see from that group those two groups that tells you, Okay,

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Speaker 3: there's a good amount of players here that could come

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think when I think of the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 4: But I think they're just they're missing that juice. They're

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Speaker 4: missing that that speed from that outside linebacker type of

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Speaker 4: Donovanezeraku from Boston College. Like these guys who just have

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Speaker 4: I feel like they are missing still that presence on

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Speaker 4: But I feel like getting you know, these true difference

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Speaker 4: I think this draft class is great for guys like

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Speaker 4: to pick one in the first round. Right, It's something

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you that because we're hearing a

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Speaker 1: how do you weigh what position versus Okay, maybe we

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Speaker 1: now look for something else. Yeah, but that maybe not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I still think that it can work out both ways. Right.

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Speaker 4: I Mean, we had that same conversation with the wide

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Speaker 4: wide receiver class, and you know, you kind of talk

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Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, sure you can do that. But

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Speaker 4: I mean, if a guy is really good, you want

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Speaker 4: let's look over him because we can get him in

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Speaker 4: And I just I'm not convinced that that's going to

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Speaker 3: A lot of talk about those two spots on defense.

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Speaker 4: So I think the linebacker group is a lot better

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Speaker 4: understand that for Arizona, the.

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Speaker 1: Line of scrimmage seems to be it's what determines how

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Speaker 1: successful you are as a team. No, yet, when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about draft prospects, it's quarterbacks, wide receivers, it's the

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Speaker 1: skill position players. And we know that there are two

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks here that have kind of separated themselves, but there's

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Speaker 1: always a quarterback that gets drafted, maybe higher than they should.

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Speaker 1: Could that benefit the Cardinals at sixteen if there's a

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Speaker 1: third or fourth quarterback potentially or is that no wish

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Speaker 1: we'll think you No.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I don't think we'll get a fourth. We

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Speaker 4: might get a third. You know, coming off to the

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, a lot of people were talking about Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 4: the quarterback from will Miss, really making a rise on

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Speaker 4: the draft rankings and potentially into draft weekend. I'm not

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Speaker 4: as in on Jackson Dart to be a first round

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Speaker 4: pick as it seems like other people are. But hey,

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Speaker 4: the ones the matter are the ones who are making

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Speaker 4: the pick, especially when it comes to relative to what

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Speaker 4: that means for Arizona. So I do think, I do

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Speaker 4: think there is a chance that we could get a

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Speaker 4: third quarterback before pick number sixteen. It all depends on

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Speaker 4: sort of what happens in free agency and how in

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Speaker 4: these teams are on certain players, right, Like what's Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgers market, what's Sam Darnold's market? Justin fields, Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 4: Jameis Winston. Right do these quarterback needy teams like the

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Speaker 4: New York Giants, the New York Jets, the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Certainly what happens with the Cleveland Browns or the Tennessee

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Speaker 4: Titans at the very top, how much are they able

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Speaker 4: to supplement those quarterback needs in free agency before we

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Speaker 4: get to the draft and not feel like they have

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Speaker 4: to take one with their first round pick. I think

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Speaker 4: that'll answer the question of how much a guy might

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Speaker 4: be able to slide for the Cardinals picking in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the first round.

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Speaker 3: One last question before we're gonna let you go is

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Speaker 3: about pro football focus. That was something we were kind

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Speaker 3: of talking about, Craig, the.

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Speaker 1: Love hate relationship that a lot of players have. Sure

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Speaker 1: what you do, but for arguments, I mean, you're not

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Speaker 1: in charge of the grades. Yet at the same time,

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Speaker 1: it's it can be a helpful supplement what you're seeing.

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Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's like, well, yeah, you don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing, of course, Yeah, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I got a bad grade.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, it's Look, it's not a perfect science,

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Speaker 4: but we do have a really great team at Pro

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Speaker 4: Football Focus. There are so many moving parts that go

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Speaker 4: into all the data collection and watching all these reps

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Speaker 4: and obviously teaching all the data collectors exactly what they

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Speaker 4: need to be looking for. And we've got a great system,

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Speaker 4: but it's not perfect, and I tell people that all

489
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Speaker 4: the time. We're learning every single year, and we get

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Speaker 4: former coaches to come in and help us with consulting

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Speaker 4: of exactly what we might be looking at. But of

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Speaker 4: course we'll never get it perfect, you know, especially like

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Speaker 4: coaches are always trying to disguise what coverage they have

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Speaker 4: or what they're doing on the and obviously if they

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Speaker 4: are trying to disguise it, so an offensive coordinator doesn't

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Speaker 4: know what's coming, well, obviously it's gonna be hard for

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Speaker 4: us to know it's coming too. So we think that

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Speaker 4: we do a pretty good job with the information that

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Speaker 4: we have, but it's something where we are always learning.

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Speaker 4: We are always trying to get better to we know

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Speaker 4: the grades. You're never going to be perfect, but get

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Speaker 4: it as close as we possibly can to. Most of

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Speaker 4: the time we are getting it right, whether it's crediting

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Speaker 4: for a good play, a bad play, whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: So it's something that's always evolving, and it's part of

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Speaker 4: what is really cool about being part of that team.

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Speaker 1: What you guys do really well as the mock draft simulator,

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Speaker 1: and I thoroughly enjoy it because you get to play

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Speaker 1: general manager, so Trevor will play general manager until April

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals are on the clock. Always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: and appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: I love to hear it about the mock draft sim

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Speaker 4: but appreciate it guys anytime.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't love the mock draft simulator on

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Our colleague Darren Urbans certainly does it.

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Speaker 1: I think he does them three or four times at

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Speaker 1: least a week, maybe even a day. But love talking

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Speaker 1: with Trevor. You can follow his work at Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Trey and it's a great tool again that mock draft track,

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Speaker 1: or to familiar eyes yourself with certain prospects who PFF

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Speaker 1: believes will be available when your team selects for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals at sixteen.

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Speaker 3: What I think is so fun too is when sometimes

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Speaker 3: you can propose a trade as a GM, and even

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus knows that is not a good trade.

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Speaker 3: That is not yeah, yeah, that is not feasible, so

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Speaker 3: you cannot get away with it at whatever you want

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Speaker 3: as a GM on Pro Football Focus. And I like

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Speaker 3: that about the mock draft.

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Speaker 1: You propose trade trade denied, so you readdo the trade.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you had a later pick or a future picks

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Speaker 1: that you do feel like you are that general manager

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Speaker 1: in control. You just don't have that clock ticking in

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Speaker 1: the background that says, all right, you've got three.

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Speaker 3: They do have a clock though, ticking.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's true, they do know.

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Speaker 3: It's just not as big in your face.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you don't feel as pressured when you're sitting.

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Speaker 3: There and you don't have maybe as much on the line.

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Speaker 3: Foret Cameras I did think I liked and if you

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Speaker 3: watch the interview on Azycardinals dot com or our official

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Speaker 3: YouTube channel you can see it. I liked when we

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Speaker 3: asked Trevor about the PFF grades and players and how

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Speaker 3: they feel about him, the little smirk that he had

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Speaker 3: of we, yes, we understand that we completely get it.

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Speaker 3: We feel really good about our system and the process

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Speaker 3: we get to for the grades. But I like seeing

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Speaker 3: his reaction physically, so you can check out the physical

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Speaker 3: interview there and see him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a perfect science and learning every single year

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Speaker 1: and how to get better. But again it's a tool

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Speaker 1: for a lot of us to figure out, right, how

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Speaker 1: well did a certain player play based off what we

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Speaker 1: saw or what we didn't see. So always trust your

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Speaker 1: eyes first. Absolutely, we trust what Manti Austin Ford did

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four that draft class. Trevor very high

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Speaker 1: on guys like Max Melton, obviously Marvin Harrison junior, but

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Speaker 1: he brought up Rabbit as well, someone who really impressed

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Speaker 1: him during the pre draft process. And then Trey Benson.

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Speaker 1: I found it interesting because we heard earlier in the

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Speaker 1: week from Jonathan Game and about Benson maybe being in

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Speaker 1: another one and you have two ones at running back,

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Speaker 1: and Trevor brought up saying Benson and Connor could be

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Speaker 1: a great one two duo, and I think you need

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Speaker 1: that at that particular position.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the grind and the beating that those running backs

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Speaker 3: are taking, especially with the style of play that James

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Speaker 3: Connor uses. You even saw that a little bit last

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Speaker 3: year of Benson providing some relief for Connor and being

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Speaker 3: able to maintain his body longer through the season. Expectedly

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Speaker 3: took a couple of weeks for Benson to really kind

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Speaker 3: of get his feet wet, and then unfortunately was dealing

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Speaker 3: with an injury that was nagging him at the end

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Speaker 3: of the season. You saw a lot of good things though,

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Speaker 3: And I think they run similarly of running, not being

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Speaker 3: afraid of the contact and being downhill runners not necessarily

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Speaker 3: going to try and be shifting and get outside all

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Speaker 3: the time. They are going to run down the belly

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Speaker 3: of the monster, right like you're going to go through

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Speaker 3: the gut of the defense. And so I think having

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Speaker 3: a second year with them, having the fall off season

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Speaker 3: together and getting a better feel, I think you absolutely

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Speaker 3: could see that more as a one two punch, maybe

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Speaker 3: not a full fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the fact that the Cardinals gave the

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Speaker 3: extension they did to Connor would suggest that. However, I

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Speaker 3: do think there is potential there to really be a

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Speaker 3: threatening duo.

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Speaker 1: Keep Connor fresh for the second half of games when

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Speaker 1: he really ramps up and it becomes more difficult for

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Speaker 1: teams to bring him down and obviously keep him fresh

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Speaker 1: for the end of the season, and that's always something

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Speaker 1: that all these players want. Hey, I want to play

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Speaker 1: able to play all seventeen games, and it's difficult when

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Speaker 1: you are running back to be there every single Sunday.

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Speaker 1: On the flip side, when we talk about the defense

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Speaker 1: and an area that Trevor I thought mentioned that I

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Speaker 1: hadn't really thought too much, but we always talk about

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Speaker 1: edge rush, but he mentioned specifically the speed at outside linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Someone who can really get to the backfield using their quickness. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got to beat that guy in front of you.

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Speaker 1: But what he sees out of this edge rush class

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Speaker 1: is a lot of speed and he believes that's the

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Speaker 1: missing piece with this Cardinals edge rush group that they

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Speaker 1: currently have. Yeah, you got some guys who can be

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Speaker 1: one on one, but is there someone that can maybe

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Speaker 1: with a quicker first step and a first move get

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Speaker 3: Similar to the different flavors at Austin fort talked about

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Speaker 3: to the media when looking at the defensive linemen in

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Speaker 3: this draft class, different flavors for edge rushers and Xavi

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Speaker 3: and Collins is a great example of how this Cardinals defense,

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Speaker 3: defensive cornertor Nick Ralis uses some of his outside linebackers differently.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna see Collins just bul rush and try

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Speaker 3: and get to the quarterback on every play he's moving around,

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Speaker 3: he's dropping back into coverage. So maybe that is an

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Speaker 3: area that the Cardinals, when you're not just talking about

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Speaker 3: being a pass rusher, but looking specifically, maybe it is

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Speaker 3: that speed. Maybe they are wanting somebody to bring that

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Speaker 3: juice where we're not going to ask you to drop

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Speaker 3: into coverage as much as we are with Collins. We're

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Speaker 3: not gonna ask you and move around. We're gonna ask

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Speaker 3: you to get your butt back there to the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And maybe that is when we're not just saying you're

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Speaker 3: looking for an edge rusher and being more generic, maybe

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Speaker 3: specifically that speed is something that needs to be honed in.

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Speaker 1: On as a focus, and I think you saw a

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Speaker 1: little bit of it. Maybe not the speed, but with

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Speaker 1: Xavier Thomas, a fifth round pick, you're not quite sure

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Speaker 1: what you have, but you can throw him out there

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Speaker 1: at times on obvious passing downs and it's a very

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Speaker 1: simple assignment. Beat the guy in front of you, get

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Speaker 1: around the guy in front of you, go attack the

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Speaker 1: quarterback or the ball carry, whomever is in the backfield.

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Speaker 1: Go get that guy and make sure the offense is

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Speaker 1: on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's a great point. It's nice

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Speaker 3: to hear from somebody who scouts these players as diligently

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Speaker 3: intently as Trevor Sikhma does, to hear that he feels

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Speaker 3: like there is a good amount of speed in some

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Speaker 3: of these top prospects.

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Speaker 1: The last point with Trevor, and I'm curious, is there

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Speaker 1: that third quarterback that gets drafted ahead of sixteen? We

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Speaker 1: know two are going to go most likely, but could

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Speaker 1: there be a third or a fourth that pushes a

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Speaker 1: higher prospect to you at sixteen depending on what position?

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Speaker 1: And because we did see we saw four or last

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Speaker 1: year going the first what twelve or thirteen picks too

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Speaker 1: were a surprise. And you know, it doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: right now as we speak here in March, that that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. But quarterbacks always get drafted higher than

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Speaker 1: they're slotted.

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Speaker 3: I don't see it being very likely because when you

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Speaker 3: look at free agency and the teams that need a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: free agency is about to hit that's going to come

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Speaker 3: not a quarterback heavy team. So if you're in need

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Speaker 3: want to stay where you are and use that pick

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Speaker 3: on a quarterback you might not think as a franchise

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Speaker 3: you rather use that high pack on another position of

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Speaker 3: need and get a quarterback and free agency that can

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Speaker 3: maybe help you out for a short term of anywhere

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Speaker 3: from one to three years, and then you kind of

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Speaker 3: go from there and build around. To me, it seems

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Speaker 3: like that would be the better option than using a

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Speaker 3: high pack or trading up if you don't feel like

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Speaker 3: that quarterback is deserving of that and isn't going to

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Speaker 3: be your future because you have to put a lot

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Speaker 3: of time and effort into a quarterback that's a big

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Speaker 3: position that like, you don't want to miss on that

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Speaker 3: pick if you're using them up high. So I think

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Speaker 3: when you look at the teams that need a quarterback

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Speaker 3: and you look at some of the quarterbacks that are

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Speaker 3: going to hit free agency, Aaron Rodgers, I think is

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Speaker 3: not I think it's fair to say not who he

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Speaker 3: was a Sam Darnold, justin Fields, Russell Wilson, what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen with Gino Smith? Like, there's going to be

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Speaker 3: other options. So I where we stand right now, I

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Speaker 3: don't see that being likely of a team taking a

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Speaker 3: quarterback ahead. Now, again, anything can happen. The Cardinals are

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Speaker 3: down at sixteen, so you're middle of the pack, so

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't be crazy to have three quarterbacks going that time.

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Speaker 3: I just think for the teams that need a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to see that be addressed

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Speaker 3: more so in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Are you convicted enough to pull the trigger with a

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Speaker 1: high pick on a quarterback not named Cameron Ward? And

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Speaker 1: Shoulde Sanders? I mean that's really the question. And if

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Speaker 1: you are, okay, great, but it doesn't seem like there's

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Speaker 1: that third quarterback that would be that quote unquote franchise guy.

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Speaker 1: Now maybe later on in the draft, but with a

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Speaker 1: first round selection that's a high value that maybe could

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Speaker 1: go to a different position.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: All right, three shows in one week, three shows last week, Danny,

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Speaker 1: that is six shows in two weeks.

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Speaker 3: I don't get overtime.

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Speaker 1: You have earned yourself a break, mostly from myself, but

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Speaker 1: enjoy and you will be missed.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'll be back soon enough. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, happy birthday.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Since I won't see you, you can see it.

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Speaker 3: Happy birth thank you.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lit on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals. Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proudly

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals has always special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim and Mohundra, our associate producer Coddy Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Danny Sirek, I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.