WEBVTT - Draft Show: Off the Clock 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:08.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:11.600 Cowboys. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:19.439 This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.239 room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.840 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frasco. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.559 Oh right, it is the Draft Show, brought to you 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.280 by Miller lte As. The twenty twenty four NFL Draft 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.479 is in the books. Zach will Chuck alongside Nick Harris, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.880 Brian Pradess. Oh my goodness, we had our three day extravaganza. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:46.559 It was a blatch. Thank you guys for. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.400 All your hard work and everybody who gets to experience 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:51.160 that with us. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.440 We love doing what we do. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.720 But now we've had a couple of days to kind 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.680 of let that marinade. We reflect back on what the 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.040 Cowboys did. But the job be done. I mean, this 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.520 is an organization that is really really good at finding 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.480 undrafted rookie free agents, and we can go through some 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.840 of that class. But I mean, first off, I know 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.200 people have been asking us left and right kind of 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.880 some of our favorite picks. Was there a pick that 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.200 you really really loved that the Cowboys made you guys 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.720 know which one I loved, which of course was Cooper Bebe. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:18.920 But for you two, I don't know if you would agree. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.400 If there's some other name that stood out to you 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:21.600 from the Cowboys. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.440 Class, yeah, I think my answer would be BB. But 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.920 I'll look away for the sake of having a different opinion. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.920 I'll go with Marshawn Neeland there in the second round. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.479 I think there's I wrote about it after night too. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.080 I think it's a very interesting pick given where the 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.560 Cowboys were in that specific spot. You know, a needing 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.720 to address needs at linebacker still at that point, center, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.720 running back, defensive tackle. But they say true to their 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.160 board and went with a really athletic defensive end that 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.440 they feel I can impact the run game immediately that 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.320 has some pass rush upside. It's very on brand for 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.200 what Will McLay and that scouting department does, as well 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.880 as Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's very big on finding a 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.040 guy that can be athletic and come in and serve 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.360 two different roles. I think that's kind of what you 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.120 see in Marshawn Neland I think he's a guy that 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.360 could potentially slide inside and he's a guy that can 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.480 also play on the edge. But you see the athleticism 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.480 and that's what really stood out in the evaluation for 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.119 everybody in the scouting department. Will McLay included, I think 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.760 that was a really important pick and I think you'll 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.760 look back on that one if it works or if 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.240 it doesn't work, you'll look back on that one as 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.680 a as a key spot in this twenty twenty four draft, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:25.959 just because there was so many other positions they could 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.120 have addressed at that point. I mean, only one running 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.200 back was off the board, only one linebacker was off 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:31.720 the board. They could have had their pick of the 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.079 litter at that position, but instead they went ahead and 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.360 enrolled with Marshaw Neeland, who they felt was slipping at 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.680 that point. So a fascinating pick that I feel like 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:39.960 was probably an interesting one. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.400 Yeah, Kaitlyn Carson, to me is the one that I 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.239 really really liked. If you start to kind of work 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.360 through the draft, and you know there was a it 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.160 was we we went the whole draft season trying to 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.760 sort cornerbacks. Yeah. Yeah, and I feel like this kid 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.600 might have got lost in all of the in all 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:05.639 of the because the talent is there, the way he plays, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.680 how competitive he is. His ability to carry routes inside 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.200 one of my favorite things about corners. I mean, you 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.359 could be slow and everything, I don't care, but if 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.240 you could show me you could carry routes inside and 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.600 make plays on the ball, I'm gonna like you as 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.480 a player. And this kid can we talk about the 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:28.120 things the traits that Mike Zimmer would like, the length, 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.960 the size, the ability to play the football. And this 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.760 kid right here does all those things. And I kind 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.200 of felt like that. What I really appreciated about the 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:44.000 Cowboys draft was even though my gut said in the 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.200 third round when they passed on the running backs, you know, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.680 when they passed on all those and BB's a great pick. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.800 I mean, Bibe, the key to this thing is going 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.280 to be what they what were they going to do 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.240 at seventy three with that pick? They probably got him 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.160 a starter. I mean they got him a starter at 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.120 you know, so I was happy about that part of it. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.520 The thing that I was kind of thinking, like, Okay, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.000 can they grab a running back? Where can they grab 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.360 a running back here? And you know, when it didn't happen, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.120 then I was like, Okay, I was I appreciate the 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.760 fact that they didn't try and force one late. They 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.840 didn't just take one in the fifth round to say, oh, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.799 we got to have a running back, you know. They 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.839 they said, no, we'll take probably the best player on 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.400 their on their board. And I think this Carson kid, 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.480 you know, we we al Harrison, these guys do a 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.880 great job of working with these corners, and this kid's 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.760 got these the same kind of traits that you see 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.560 with the with the corners that play here. And so 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.800 I really do like how they just didn't. They didn't, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.800 you know, say oh we got to have a runner. No, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.599 they took their best player and and it was Carson, 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.560 and I think he's gonna work out fine for them. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:54.039 I'm with you. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.600 I mean, I loved the Carson pick. I think they 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.600 did a lot. And you mentioned stay true to your board. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.680 I think that was reflective. Obviously with the trade that 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.320 they made moving back, they got the great value of 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.200 getting that third round pick, which they ended up getting 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.520 with Cooper Beebe. But this undrafted class pretty interesting. Some 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.920 big names to discuss. You know, we kind of broke down, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.839 took a couple of players each to kick around the 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.320 tires on. But you bring in a running back in 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.159 Nathaniel Pete from Missouri. Now, Pete's a guy that transferred 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.839 from Stanford four three seven. Like we were talking to 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.960 the scouts right, Mitchell Point was telling us, Hey, we 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.840 want some juice. Pete's gonna bring you some juice. What 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.160 I liked about watching Pete was there's not a whole 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.039 lot of wasted motion with him. He's a guy that's 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.120 going to get up there, one cut, get up the 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.760 field between the tackles. Now, what I'd like to see 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:40.960 is a little bit more when it comes to in 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.200 the passing game. I think there's more meat left on 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.000 that bone. Of course, he was Cody Schrader there at 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:50.719 Missoo right, took the majority of the area. Yeah, and 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.599 so there's not a lot of tread on the tiers 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.479 there with Pete. But he's a guy that's fast, he 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.720 can get up the field. I think he can be 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.479 a pretty good receiver out of the backfield. So that's 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.560 gonna be a guy that can come in, can compete. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.440 Now they're going to go running back by committee. We 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.760 now know that Ezekiel Elliott's here. You've got him, You've 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.719 got Royce Freeman, who they added they still love Rico Daudell, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.760 I'm sure, and then Deuce Vaughan a year ago. But 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.640 I do think when you look at over all this 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.400 draft class what it was helped and we can get 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:17.920 twitter on the twenty a lot of the questions for 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.960 the running back, which we can get to cot up 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.760 on the other side. But one thing I think that 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.040 was massively helped in the running game was what they 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.920 did with the offensive line. Bry bringing in guiding Bry 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.760 bringing in Cooper Beeby, and how about even a guy 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.400 in Nate Thomas now who's going to add a lot 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.400 of depth and competition, probably kicking inside to guard I 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.200 would assume at the next level. But they did a 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.839 great job of adding some toughness, some nasty. When you 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.280 talk about getting movement off the football, let's go ahead 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:43.160 and get some knock back. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:43.960 They did that. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.400 I think just by those additions, naturally they should be 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.800 a better run blocking unit up front, which will help 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.080 the running backs in general. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.400 But Nathaniel Pete's got a little something here. I'm excited 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:53.800 to watch. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.320 Him play when we get to mini camps and then 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.719 Oxnard there for training camp. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.600 Yeah, we were talking to Jake ferguson night at the 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.920 Reliant Home Run Derby about the run game and specifically 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.240 that's something he's trying to work on more so this year. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.279 I think he took a big stride last year and 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.840 being able to help block in the run game, but 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.760 now this year being able to maybe do some combo 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.480 action with Tyler Geiden or moving around to the right 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.560 side with Terren Steel that he's gotten used to. It's 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.680 a big emphasis and I think that's probably a big 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.480 emphasis for the team all the way around. And speaking 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.240 of I think a tight end that they brought into 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.840 the building. I hope I'm not stilling your guy here. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.880 Brevin span Ford, No, okay. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.680 Got him. I loved Revin span Ford. Man. I was 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.640 surprised that he did not get drafted. Yeah. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.040 I mean you look at his size, his ability to block, 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.080 but also as a receiver. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.520 Yeah, that guy's got a massive wing span. Yeah. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:39.040 Absolutely. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.520 Whenever I went to Mobile for the Senior Bowl, he 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.840 was probably one of the guys that stood up the 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.840 most in the lobby. You talk about the All Lobby team, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.080 He's somewhere on there six foot six, two hundred and 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.120 fifty pound frame, and man, he gets after it in 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.360 the run game. In my opinion, he was a top 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.160 three run blocker in the tight end position for this 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.320 entire drift class, so be able to get that guy 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.280 in that's the first guy that they signed. They probably 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.800 put the most likely. The numbers aren't aren't finalized. And 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.280 another note, these guys aren't finalized until they come in 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.520 next Thursday to sign, so you know, these guys can 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.320 still flip between now and then. But Brevin span Ford 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.280 probably gonna end up with the most guaranteed money in 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.680 this in this undrafted free agent class, just because of 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.200 that frame and how it works in the run blocking game. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.080 I mean, they came away with two tight ends here, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.280 Brevin span Ford from Minnesota and Alec Hohler from UCF 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.280 and you see the run game knacks and both of 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.200 those guys, and then being able to get some push 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:31.800 at the point of attack and really be able to 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.720 do some good things. But also at the Senior Bowl, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.839 what I was able to pick up off span Ford 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.920 was the red zone ability, the possession ability. I think 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.120 he's a guy that you could throw it up to 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.640 and he'll be able to come down with it. Might 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.160 be it might need to work on his hands a 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.760 little bit, but I think this is a fun weapon 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.960 that they found here in the undrafted pool. And man 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.959 if he ends up panning out that that tight end room, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.560 all of a sudden, we're looking about a year ago 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.160 it was was getting scary and now it's getting crowded. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.760 So it's a fascinating one. I will say. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.319 But I'm gonna let Brian talk on this guy a 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.839 little bit more. My favorite Udi and this classes of 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.600 Moni Johnson on a Nevada Well talk about him. Yeah, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.360 I think he's I think he's probably one of the 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.840 better run defending safeties that you saw in the group 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.160 of five ranks last year. Didn't really get the opportunity 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.720 to shine until twenty twenty three. He came out of Hercules, California, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.320 and yeah, finally had the opportunity to start and really 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.040 shine in twenty twenty three, and man did he He's 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.280 show up for it. One hundred tackles in the run game. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.160 I think he's a strong safety at the next level. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.520 You see him picking up tight ends across the middle 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.360 of the field. You see him picking up running backs 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.600 coming out of the backfield. He can cover a boundary 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.520 to boundary. I mean, he's got the speed and the 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.800 link to be able to cover those guys and man 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.440 stepping up in the run game. It's incredible what he's 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.079 able to do. I think I spent about forty five 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.760 minutes watching film of his Last Night All twenty two film, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.880 and man, he is a special talent in the run game. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.079 I think they found something here. That's another position that 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.800 all of a sudden, it could get pretty crowded if 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.320 a couple of these yu fas pan out. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.240 Yeah. No, you absolutely nailed the player. He wants to 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.760 be in the action and he's got a feel for 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.560 how to work through trash in order to find the ball. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.199 He's a physical tackler, as you mentioned. I think he's 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.320 a good athlete, and there's some strength I think in 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.160 his coverage ability, especially in the zone stuff. I think 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.199 that's kind of going to be his his better than 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.839 say some of the man stuff. But man, when he's 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.040 playing his zone, the tracking of the ball, he had 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.200 three interceptions in twenty twenty three, so you kind of 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.360 have an idea that if he sees it, he can 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.680 get over there and make the play. He's got the 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.640 football intelligence that Mike Zimmer really likes. He's got the 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.280 awareness the playing speed might be a little of a 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.080 question for me, might be a little bit of that, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.600 but overall though he's very aggressive in the run support 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.920 and everything about him older. The six year player thing 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.240 too is but man, I mean he's got the size, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.840 he's a good enough athlete, he's strong, and the fact 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.560 that he has some ball skills to him. I think 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.920 that's you know, you're always just looking for trade signing 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.520 these guys, but all about all that encompasses him as 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.480 a player is pretty positives. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.160 A big frame there too at six ' two, with 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.920 the length as well, and I bet Bones is excited 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.319 to get him in the special teams. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:07.720 Oh yeah. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.640 And to the playing speed point, he's probably a guy 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.560 you want playing in front of him. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.440 Absolutely yeah, he's the everything yet and. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.120 If he's playing in front of him, playing speed doesn't 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.240 really bother me that much. But I see where you're 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.160 coming from there. But I think he's a really talented player. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.400 The link stood out to me my favorite trade about 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.960 him that I didn't dive into. He is animated as hell, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.000 like whatever he makes the play, he is getting up 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.880 and making sure you know that he made the plays. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.280 So that could be a fun integration into that safety room. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:31.320 It's kint a lot of personality. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.719 How always were hunting safeties with this undrafted free agent list. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.280 I mean Julius would from East Carolina. He's an interesting 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.400 player as well. I think maybe a little bit more 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:42.000 well rounded when you talk about the coverage ability than Johnson, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.000 who you were discussing there, But Johnson my got he 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.800 is a thumper. I mean you talk about one hundred 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.360 tackles that he had there at Nevada. I also kind 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.160 of like Denzel Dackson, who when we were watching Johnny 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.200 Newton out of Illinois, you know Daxon you naturally watch 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.080 as well. He was his running mate there. But that's 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.280 a dude you talk about run stopping. I mean you 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.680 get him and Justin Rodgers there in the seventh round, 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.760 you know, just trying to go ahead and fill that 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.120 defensive tackle depth. But those are two guys that can 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.640 really help in the run game there at defensive tackle. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.800 That's certainly his strength there with Denzel Jackson. So some 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.760 interesting names there with undrafted free agency. As we look 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.400 back at the draft, lastes. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.040 Can I mention it can I mention ya, Okay, did 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.040 you guys happen to see Byron Vaughns at all from Baylor. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.640 Yeah, unfortunately, I've known about him for a good six 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:24.280 seven years. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.559 He's filled me in on him. I mean, went to 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:31.839 high school. His travels is unique. He's a local kid 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:32.560 though he's from four. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.680 War went went to Eastern Hills, I believe high school. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.360 Don't quote me on that. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.679 I believe he did, uh, and went to Texas out 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.880 of high school. He was a highly touted recruit. Went 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.679 to Texas, spent a season or two there, and then 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.320 ended up at Utah State in the Portal, and it 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.600 was kind of a bounce back opportunity for him, and man, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.960 did he shine at Utah State. Really put himself back 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.720 on the map. Pushed him up to Baylor out of 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.520 the portal a couple of years ago. Spent a couple 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.280 of years in Waco, and man really productive two seasons. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:00.600 But his journey yet definitely unique. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.080 See the thing about him is I saw him at 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.560 Baylor play as a hand down guy and then a 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.760 stand up guy. So I'm interested to see how they 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.400 how they work him here. But you talk about the 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.880 get off on the football, He's got some power with 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.560 his inside moves. He's got the speed to grab the edge. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.560 He's a little bit of a long strider. I mean 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.680 when you watch him off the ball, it's like long 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.760 and then a long again and sometimes I could get 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.920 you controlled. But he's got a slippery element to his game. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.320 The way that he plays. He chases the ball, the 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.800 awareness to close and also saw him kind of hold 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.600 his ground when the ball was run his direction and 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.760 he was able to finish when he got into position. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.880 So he's kind of a tweener when you look at 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.760 are they going to play him as a linebacker or 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.360 are they going to play him as a as an 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:54.360 edge on a on a full time basis. But he's 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.760 a guy that does have some of those traits again 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:57.720 that we're talking about. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:58.840 Eighty four inch wingspin. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.880 Yeah, that's amazing, my gosh. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.960 And I mean I was watching when you look at 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.160 one of these guys, maybe multiple are gonna end up 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.520 making this roster every year the Cowboys do an excellent 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.160 job with this. I was watching Brevin span Ford. I'm 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.640 my goodness, Yeah, I think this dude's gonna end up 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:14.040 making it. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:14.320 Man. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.400 I mean, because I know people are asking, like, okay, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.600 which which underraptor Rooie for agency? You think have the 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.200 best chance. I know that's now becoming a crowded, tight 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.600 end room. He brings you a little bit of something 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.080 when it comes to well rounded play. Six foot six, 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.600 two point fifty, the blocking in that room, Payton hundershot, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.160 you need to have yourself a good camp man, I guess. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.280 And if John Stevens comes back, I mean he's a 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:36.680 guy that looked like he was on his way to 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.280 make the fifty three span. Ford brings you a little 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.320 bit of a difference than you have with some of 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.160 the other guys in that room. I think I would 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.040 bet on him to make it. Man, I'm bumpulling for 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.400 all these guys. But that's one thing they've done is 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.600 added a lot of competition. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.520 I love that well there. This is something they take 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.600 a lot of pride in. And you know, when you 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.760 have names left over on your board, if they tell 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.280 you they have ten names on their board, you know, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.680 at the end of the draft, those are the first 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.080 ten eyes are going to go trying to attack. You know, 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.200 that's something they've done a really good job of convincing players, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.320 convincing agents, you know, maybe masking a little bit of 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.440 their depth chart of you know, well agents says well, 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.880 you've got no, no, no, man, We've got to open guy. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.480 You know, they've convinced a lot of these agents and 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.160 players that you come here, you have opportunity. And they 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.320 had a lot of you know, they they can sell that. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.080 They had a lot of guys walk out of here, 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.520 you know, during during the during the springtime when you 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.880 know when free agency started. So yeah, you're gonna sell opportunity. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.520 But they do a great job. Chris Hall and Todd 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.560 Williams out of Pacific, all those guys. They keep that 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.800 board intact. They don't they don't have a lot of fluctuation, like, well, 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.840 I don't know about this guy. If they put that 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.400 guy on that draft board and he doesn't get picked, 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.840 they're gonna do everything in their power to try and 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.800 get that guy. So that that part that I've always 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.640 really appreciated about the process, and they've landed some guys 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:56.360 doing it that way. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.800 Did you have any fun stories of your days like 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.040 trying to be a will to recruit like. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.400 Sean Payton. Sean Payton and the Tony Romos story is incredible. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.280 I mean, Sean got on the phone with him. We 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.640 had Tony in the fifth round and to Chris Hall's credit, 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.760 he did not. You know, sometimes scouts go, well, I'm 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.840 gonna move this guy down, you know, Okay, put the 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.040 guys where you need to, you know, and and Chris 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.920 Hall wouldn't let Tony Romo's tag move. He had him 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.000 there in the fifth and and Sean Payton got on 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.080 the phone during the draft for like two rounds and 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.360 he kept telling Tony, hey, we got it. We're gonna 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:32.960 pick you. We're gonna pick you, We're gonna pay and 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.160 then never did pick him. And then it came down to, okay, man, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.640 this strap's over. This is what I'm selling. And Sean 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.160 jim Hess, those guys were just recruiting their ass off. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.280 You know. It came down to really Jerry Bill Parcells, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.000 you know, being able to you know, make it to 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.840 get that done because he was it looked like he 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.120 was going to Denver. Yeah, Denver, Denver. Denver was the 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.160 team that was in play, you know, and Mike Shanahan 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.440 is an Eastern Illinois guy, and so that was kind 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.440 of like playing against us when Sean Payton involved too. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.240 But man, he Sean did a great job of recruiting there, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.520 and Tony, you know, made a decision that that changed, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.000 you know, his his career path, the way he was 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.680