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Speaker 3: by Miller lte As. The twenty twenty four NFL Draft
Speaker 3: is in the books. Zach will Chuck alongside Nick Harris,
Speaker 3: Brian Pradess. Oh my goodness, we had our three day extravaganza.
Speaker 2: It was a blatch. Thank you guys for.
Speaker 3: All your hard work and everybody who gets to experience
Speaker 3: that with us.
Speaker 2: We love doing what we do.
Speaker 3: But now we've had a couple of days to kind
Speaker 3: of let that marinade. We reflect back on what the
Speaker 3: Cowboys did. But the job be done. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is an organization that is really really good at finding
Speaker 3: undrafted rookie free agents, and we can go through some
Speaker 3: of that class. But I mean, first off, I know
Speaker 3: people have been asking us left and right kind of
Speaker 3: some of our favorite picks. Was there a pick that
Speaker 3: you really really loved that the Cowboys made you guys
Speaker 3: know which one I loved, which of course was Cooper Bebe.
Speaker 3: But for you two, I don't know if you would agree.
Speaker 3: If there's some other name that stood out to you
Speaker 3: from the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Class, yeah, I think my answer would be BB. But
Speaker 4: I'll look away for the sake of having a different opinion.
Speaker 4: I'll go with Marshawn Neeland there in the second round.
Speaker 4: I think there's I wrote about it after night too.
Speaker 4: I think it's a very interesting pick given where the
Speaker 4: Cowboys were in that specific spot. You know, a needing
Speaker 4: to address needs at linebacker still at that point, center,
Speaker 4: running back, defensive tackle. But they say true to their
Speaker 4: board and went with a really athletic defensive end that
Speaker 4: they feel I can impact the run game immediately that
Speaker 4: has some pass rush upside. It's very on brand for
Speaker 4: what Will McLay and that scouting department does, as well
Speaker 4: as Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's very big on finding a
Speaker 4: guy that can be athletic and come in and serve
Speaker 4: two different roles. I think that's kind of what you
Speaker 4: see in Marshawn Neland I think he's a guy that
Speaker 4: could potentially slide inside and he's a guy that can
Speaker 4: also play on the edge. But you see the athleticism
Speaker 4: and that's what really stood out in the evaluation for
Speaker 4: everybody in the scouting department. Will McLay included, I think
Speaker 4: that was a really important pick and I think you'll
Speaker 4: look back on that one if it works or if
Speaker 4: it doesn't work, you'll look back on that one as
Speaker 4: a as a key spot in this twenty twenty four draft,
Speaker 4: just because there was so many other positions they could
Speaker 4: have addressed at that point. I mean, only one running
Speaker 4: back was off the board, only one linebacker was off
Speaker 4: the board. They could have had their pick of the
Speaker 4: litter at that position, but instead they went ahead and
Speaker 4: enrolled with Marshaw Neeland, who they felt was slipping at
Speaker 4: that point. So a fascinating pick that I feel like
Speaker 4: was probably an interesting one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kaitlyn Carson, to me is the one that I
Speaker 2: really really liked. If you start to kind of work
Speaker 2: through the draft, and you know there was a it
Speaker 2: was we we went the whole draft season trying to
Speaker 2: sort cornerbacks. Yeah. Yeah, and I feel like this kid
Speaker 2: might have got lost in all of the in all
Speaker 2: of the because the talent is there, the way he plays,
Speaker 2: how competitive he is. His ability to carry routes inside
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things about corners. I mean, you
Speaker 2: could be slow and everything, I don't care, but if
Speaker 2: you could show me you could carry routes inside and
Speaker 2: make plays on the ball, I'm gonna like you as
Speaker 2: a player. And this kid can we talk about the
Speaker 2: things the traits that Mike Zimmer would like, the length,
Speaker 2: the size, the ability to play the football. And this
Speaker 2: kid right here does all those things. And I kind
Speaker 2: of felt like that. What I really appreciated about the
Speaker 2: Cowboys draft was even though my gut said in the
Speaker 2: third round when they passed on the running backs, you know,
Speaker 2: when they passed on all those and BB's a great pick.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bibe, the key to this thing is going
Speaker 2: to be what they what were they going to do
Speaker 2: at seventy three with that pick? They probably got him
Speaker 2: a starter. I mean they got him a starter at
Speaker 2: you know, so I was happy about that part of it.
Speaker 2: The thing that I was kind of thinking, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: can they grab a running back? Where can they grab
Speaker 2: a running back here? And you know, when it didn't happen,
Speaker 2: then I was like, Okay, I was I appreciate the
Speaker 2: fact that they didn't try and force one late. They
Speaker 2: didn't just take one in the fifth round to say, oh,
Speaker 2: we got to have a running back, you know. They
Speaker 2: they said, no, we'll take probably the best player on
Speaker 2: their on their board. And I think this Carson kid,
Speaker 2: you know, we we al Harrison, these guys do a
Speaker 2: great job of working with these corners, and this kid's
Speaker 2: got these the same kind of traits that you see
Speaker 2: with the with the corners that play here. And so
Speaker 2: I really do like how they just didn't. They didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, say oh we got to have a runner. No,
Speaker 2: they took their best player and and it was Carson,
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna work out fine for them.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I loved the Carson pick. I think they
Speaker 3: did a lot. And you mentioned stay true to your board.
Speaker 3: I think that was reflective. Obviously with the trade that
Speaker 3: they made moving back, they got the great value of
Speaker 3: getting that third round pick, which they ended up getting
Speaker 3: with Cooper Beebe. But this undrafted class pretty interesting. Some
Speaker 3: big names to discuss. You know, we kind of broke down,
Speaker 3: took a couple of players each to kick around the
Speaker 3: tires on. But you bring in a running back in
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Pete from Missouri. Now, Pete's a guy that transferred
Speaker 3: from Stanford four three seven. Like we were talking to
Speaker 3: the scouts right, Mitchell Point was telling us, Hey, we
Speaker 3: want some juice. Pete's gonna bring you some juice. What
Speaker 3: I liked about watching Pete was there's not a whole
Speaker 3: lot of wasted motion with him. He's a guy that's
Speaker 3: going to get up there, one cut, get up the
Speaker 3: field between the tackles. Now, what I'd like to see
Speaker 3: is a little bit more when it comes to in
Speaker 3: the passing game. I think there's more meat left on
Speaker 3: that bone. Of course, he was Cody Schrader there at
Speaker 3: Missoo right, took the majority of the area. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so there's not a lot of tread on the tiers
Speaker 3: there with Pete. But he's a guy that's fast, he
Speaker 3: can get up the field. I think he can be
Speaker 3: a pretty good receiver out of the backfield. So that's
Speaker 3: gonna be a guy that can come in, can compete.
Speaker 3: Now they're going to go running back by committee. We
Speaker 3: now know that Ezekiel Elliott's here. You've got him, You've
Speaker 3: got Royce Freeman, who they added they still love Rico Daudell,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, and then Deuce Vaughan a year ago. But
Speaker 3: I do think when you look at over all this
Speaker 3: draft class what it was helped and we can get
Speaker 3: twitter on the twenty a lot of the questions for
Speaker 3: the running back, which we can get to cot up
Speaker 3: on the other side. But one thing I think that
Speaker 3: was massively helped in the running game was what they
Speaker 3: did with the offensive line. Bry bringing in guiding Bry
Speaker 3: bringing in Cooper Beeby, and how about even a guy
Speaker 3: in Nate Thomas now who's going to add a lot
Speaker 3: of depth and competition, probably kicking inside to guard I
Speaker 3: would assume at the next level. But they did a
Speaker 3: great job of adding some toughness, some nasty. When you
Speaker 3: talk about getting movement off the football, let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and get some knock back.
Speaker 2: They did that.
Speaker 3: I think just by those additions, naturally they should be
Speaker 3: a better run blocking unit up front, which will help
Speaker 3: the running backs in general.
Speaker 2: But Nathaniel Pete's got a little something here. I'm excited
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 3: Him play when we get to mini camps and then
Speaker 3: Oxnard there for training camp.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking to Jake ferguson night at the
Speaker 4: Reliant Home Run Derby about the run game and specifically
Speaker 4: that's something he's trying to work on more so this year.
Speaker 4: I think he took a big stride last year and
Speaker 4: being able to help block in the run game, but
Speaker 4: now this year being able to maybe do some combo
Speaker 4: action with Tyler Geiden or moving around to the right
Speaker 4: side with Terren Steel that he's gotten used to. It's
Speaker 4: a big emphasis and I think that's probably a big
Speaker 4: emphasis for the team all the way around. And speaking
Speaker 4: of I think a tight end that they brought into
Speaker 4: the building. I hope I'm not stilling your guy here.
Speaker 4: Brevin span Ford, No, okay.
Speaker 2: Got him. I loved Revin span Ford. Man. I was
Speaker 2: surprised that he did not get drafted. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you look at his size, his ability to block,
Speaker 3: but also as a receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's got a massive wing span. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Whenever I went to Mobile for the Senior Bowl, he
Speaker 4: was probably one of the guys that stood up the
Speaker 4: most in the lobby. You talk about the All Lobby team,
Speaker 4: He's somewhere on there six foot six, two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty pound frame, and man, he gets after it in
Speaker 4: the run game. In my opinion, he was a top
Speaker 4: three run blocker in the tight end position for this
Speaker 4: entire drift class, so be able to get that guy
Speaker 4: in that's the first guy that they signed. They probably
Speaker 4: put the most likely. The numbers aren't aren't finalized. And
Speaker 4: another note, these guys aren't finalized until they come in
Speaker 4: next Thursday to sign, so you know, these guys can
Speaker 4: still flip between now and then. But Brevin span Ford
Speaker 4: probably gonna end up with the most guaranteed money in
Speaker 4: this in this undrafted free agent class, just because of
Speaker 4: that frame and how it works in the run blocking game.
Speaker 4: I mean, they came away with two tight ends here,
Speaker 4: Brevin span Ford from Minnesota and Alec Hohler from UCF
Speaker 4: and you see the run game knacks and both of
Speaker 4: those guys, and then being able to get some push
Speaker 4: at the point of attack and really be able to
Speaker 4: do some good things. But also at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 4: what I was able to pick up off span Ford
Speaker 4: was the red zone ability, the possession ability. I think
Speaker 4: he's a guy that you could throw it up to
Speaker 4: and he'll be able to come down with it. Might
Speaker 4: be it might need to work on his hands a
Speaker 4: little bit, but I think this is a fun weapon
Speaker 4: that they found here in the undrafted pool. And man
Speaker 4: if he ends up panning out that that tight end room,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, we're looking about a year ago
Speaker 4: it was was getting scary and now it's getting crowded.
Speaker 5: So it's a fascinating one. I will say.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna let Brian talk on this guy a
Speaker 4: little bit more. My favorite Udi and this classes of
Speaker 4: Moni Johnson on a Nevada Well talk about him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think he's I think he's probably one of the
Speaker 4: better run defending safeties that you saw in the group
Speaker 4: of five ranks last year. Didn't really get the opportunity
Speaker 4: to shine until twenty twenty three. He came out of Hercules, California,
Speaker 4: and yeah, finally had the opportunity to start and really
Speaker 4: shine in twenty twenty three, and man did he He's
Speaker 4: show up for it. One hundred tackles in the run game.
Speaker 4: I think he's a strong safety at the next level.
Speaker 4: You see him picking up tight ends across the middle
Speaker 4: of the field. You see him picking up running backs
Speaker 4: coming out of the backfield. He can cover a boundary
Speaker 4: to boundary. I mean, he's got the speed and the
Speaker 4: link to be able to cover those guys and man
Speaker 4: stepping up in the run game. It's incredible what he's
Speaker 4: able to do. I think I spent about forty five
Speaker 4: minutes watching film of his Last Night All twenty two film,
Speaker 4: and man, he is a special talent in the run game.
Speaker 4: I think they found something here. That's another position that
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it could get pretty crowded if
Speaker 4: a couple of these yu fas pan out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, you absolutely nailed the player. He wants to
Speaker 2: be in the action and he's got a feel for
Speaker 2: how to work through trash in order to find the ball.
Speaker 2: He's a physical tackler, as you mentioned. I think he's
Speaker 2: a good athlete, and there's some strength I think in
Speaker 2: his coverage ability, especially in the zone stuff. I think
Speaker 2: that's kind of going to be his his better than
Speaker 2: say some of the man stuff. But man, when he's
Speaker 2: playing his zone, the tracking of the ball, he had
Speaker 2: three interceptions in twenty twenty three, so you kind of
Speaker 2: have an idea that if he sees it, he can
Speaker 2: get over there and make the play. He's got the
Speaker 2: football intelligence that Mike Zimmer really likes. He's got the
Speaker 2: awareness the playing speed might be a little of a
Speaker 2: question for me, might be a little bit of that,
Speaker 2: but overall though he's very aggressive in the run support
Speaker 2: and everything about him older. The six year player thing
Speaker 2: too is but man, I mean he's got the size,
Speaker 2: he's a good enough athlete, he's strong, and the fact
Speaker 2: that he has some ball skills to him. I think
Speaker 2: that's you know, you're always just looking for trade signing
Speaker 2: these guys, but all about all that encompasses him as
Speaker 2: a player is pretty positives.
Speaker 3: A big frame there too at six ' two, with
Speaker 3: the length as well, and I bet Bones is excited
Speaker 3: to get him in the special teams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And to the playing speed point, he's probably a guy
Speaker 5: you want playing in front of him.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, he's the everything yet and.
Speaker 4: If he's playing in front of him, playing speed doesn't
Speaker 4: really bother me that much. But I see where you're
Speaker 4: coming from there. But I think he's a really talented player.
Speaker 4: The link stood out to me my favorite trade about
Speaker 4: him that I didn't dive into. He is animated as hell,
Speaker 4: like whatever he makes the play, he is getting up
Speaker 4: and making sure you know that he made the plays.
Speaker 4: So that could be a fun integration into that safety room.
Speaker 4: It's kint a lot of personality.
Speaker 3: How always were hunting safeties with this undrafted free agent list.
Speaker 3: I mean Julius would from East Carolina. He's an interesting
Speaker 3: player as well. I think maybe a little bit more
Speaker 3: well rounded when you talk about the coverage ability than Johnson,
Speaker 3: who you were discussing there, But Johnson my got he
Speaker 3: is a thumper. I mean you talk about one hundred
Speaker 3: tackles that he had there at Nevada. I also kind
Speaker 3: of like Denzel Dackson, who when we were watching Johnny
Speaker 3: Newton out of Illinois, you know Daxon you naturally watch
Speaker 3: as well. He was his running mate there. But that's
Speaker 3: a dude you talk about run stopping. I mean you
Speaker 3: get him and Justin Rodgers there in the seventh round,
Speaker 3: you know, just trying to go ahead and fill that
Speaker 3: defensive tackle depth. But those are two guys that can
Speaker 3: really help in the run game there at defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: That's certainly his strength there with Denzel Jackson. So some
Speaker 3: interesting names there with undrafted free agency. As we look
Speaker 3: back at the draft, lastes.
Speaker 2: Can I mention it can I mention ya, Okay, did
Speaker 2: you guys happen to see Byron Vaughns at all from Baylor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, unfortunately, I've known about him for a good six
Speaker 5: seven years.
Speaker 2: He's filled me in on him. I mean, went to
Speaker 2: high school. His travels is unique. He's a local kid
Speaker 2: though he's from four.
Speaker 5: War went went to Eastern Hills, I believe high school.
Speaker 5: Don't quote me on that.
Speaker 4: I believe he did, uh, and went to Texas out
Speaker 4: of high school. He was a highly touted recruit. Went
Speaker 4: to Texas, spent a season or two there, and then
Speaker 4: ended up at Utah State in the Portal, and it
Speaker 4: was kind of a bounce back opportunity for him, and man,
Speaker 4: did he shine at Utah State. Really put himself back
Speaker 4: on the map. Pushed him up to Baylor out of
Speaker 4: the portal a couple of years ago. Spent a couple
Speaker 4: of years in Waco, and man really productive two seasons.
Speaker 4: But his journey yet definitely unique.
Speaker 2: See the thing about him is I saw him at
Speaker 2: Baylor play as a hand down guy and then a
Speaker 2: stand up guy. So I'm interested to see how they
Speaker 2: how they work him here. But you talk about the
Speaker 2: get off on the football, He's got some power with
Speaker 2: his inside moves. He's got the speed to grab the edge.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit of a long strider. I mean
Speaker 2: when you watch him off the ball, it's like long
Speaker 2: and then a long again and sometimes I could get
Speaker 2: you controlled. But he's got a slippery element to his game.
Speaker 2: The way that he plays. He chases the ball, the
Speaker 2: awareness to close and also saw him kind of hold
Speaker 2: his ground when the ball was run his direction and
Speaker 2: he was able to finish when he got into position.
Speaker 2: So he's kind of a tweener when you look at
Speaker 2: are they going to play him as a linebacker or
Speaker 2: are they going to play him as a as an
Speaker 2: edge on a on a full time basis. But he's
Speaker 2: a guy that does have some of those traits again
Speaker 2: that we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Eighty four inch wingspin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, my gosh.
Speaker 3: And I mean I was watching when you look at
Speaker 3: one of these guys, maybe multiple are gonna end up
Speaker 3: making this roster every year the Cowboys do an excellent
Speaker 3: job with this. I was watching Brevin span Ford. I'm
Speaker 3: my goodness, Yeah, I think this dude's gonna end up
Speaker 3: making it.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, because I know people are asking, like, okay,
Speaker 3: which which underraptor Rooie for agency? You think have the
Speaker 3: best chance. I know that's now becoming a crowded, tight
Speaker 3: end room. He brings you a little bit of something
Speaker 3: when it comes to well rounded play. Six foot six,
Speaker 3: two point fifty, the blocking in that room, Payton hundershot,
Speaker 3: you need to have yourself a good camp man, I guess.
Speaker 3: And if John Stevens comes back, I mean he's a
Speaker 3: guy that looked like he was on his way to
Speaker 3: make the fifty three span. Ford brings you a little
Speaker 3: bit of a difference than you have with some of
Speaker 3: the other guys in that room. I think I would
Speaker 3: bet on him to make it. Man, I'm bumpulling for
Speaker 3: all these guys. But that's one thing they've done is
Speaker 3: added a lot of competition.
Speaker 2: I love that well there. This is something they take
Speaker 2: a lot of pride in. And you know, when you
Speaker 2: have names left over on your board, if they tell
Speaker 2: you they have ten names on their board, you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of the draft, those are the first
Speaker 2: ten eyes are going to go trying to attack. You know,
Speaker 2: that's something they've done a really good job of convincing players,
Speaker 2: convincing agents, you know, maybe masking a little bit of
Speaker 2: their depth chart of you know, well agents says well,
Speaker 2: you've got no, no, no, man, We've got to open guy.
Speaker 2: You know, they've convinced a lot of these agents and
Speaker 2: players that you come here, you have opportunity. And they
Speaker 2: had a lot of you know, they they can sell that.
Speaker 2: They had a lot of guys walk out of here,
Speaker 2: you know, during during the during the springtime when you
Speaker 2: know when free agency started. So yeah, you're gonna sell opportunity.
Speaker 2: But they do a great job. Chris Hall and Todd
Speaker 2: Williams out of Pacific, all those guys. They keep that
Speaker 2: board intact. They don't they don't have a lot of fluctuation, like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know about this guy. If they put that
Speaker 2: guy on that draft board and he doesn't get picked,
Speaker 2: they're gonna do everything in their power to try and
Speaker 2: get that guy. So that that part that I've always
Speaker 2: really appreciated about the process, and they've landed some guys
Speaker 2: doing it that way.
Speaker 3: Did you have any fun stories of your days like
Speaker 3: trying to be a will to recruit like.
Speaker 2: Sean Payton. Sean Payton and the Tony Romos story is incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sean got on the phone with him. We
Speaker 2: had Tony in the fifth round and to Chris Hall's credit,
Speaker 2: he did not. You know, sometimes scouts go, well, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna move this guy down, you know, Okay, put the
Speaker 2: guys where you need to, you know, and and Chris
Speaker 2: Hall wouldn't let Tony Romo's tag move. He had him
Speaker 2: there in the fifth and and Sean Payton got on
Speaker 2: the phone during the draft for like two rounds and
Speaker 2: he kept telling Tony, hey, we got it. We're gonna
Speaker 2: pick you. We're gonna pick you, We're gonna pay and
Speaker 2: then never did pick him. And then it came down to, okay, man,
Speaker 2: this strap's over. This is what I'm selling. And Sean
Speaker 2: jim Hess, those guys were just recruiting their ass off.
Speaker 2: You know. It came down to really Jerry Bill Parcells,
Speaker 2: you know, being able to you know, make it to
Speaker 2: get that done because he was it looked like he
Speaker 2: was going to Denver. Yeah, Denver, Denver. Denver was the
Speaker 2: team that was in play, you know, and Mike Shanahan
Speaker 2: is an Eastern Illinois guy, and so that was kind
Speaker 2: of like playing against us when Sean Payton involved too.
Speaker 2: But man, he Sean did a great job of recruiting there,
Speaker 2: and Tony, you know, made a decision that that changed,
Speaker 2: you know, his his career path, the way he was
Speaker 2: able to have the kind of career by coming here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: The story times with Brian and Christy, those are my favorites.
Speaker 2: Man, when you're old. When you're old, you get involved
Speaker 2: with a lot of stories. But it's it was kind
Speaker 2: of the wild West back then, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's I know, these guys are
Speaker 2: super organized, but I remember it was almost like being
Speaker 2: on a stock exchange floor because you had you had
Speaker 2: all the stocks, and but you always had people coming
Speaker 2: in and out of the room like, hey we got
Speaker 2: this guy, No, we lost this guy, I know, you know,
Speaker 2: And so there was always this constant you know, Steven
Speaker 2: and Adam and Todd Williams and those guys were always
Speaker 2: kind of okay, we need okay, we're down, we need
Speaker 2: to we need a corner, you know, Okay, who's who's
Speaker 2: working on a corner? Boom, okay we got that one.
Speaker 2: We need to tie it in, who's working on that.
Speaker 2: There was always it was always organized. You know. We
Speaker 2: lost some guys along the way too, but but it
Speaker 2: was so it wasn't just yeah, randomly, let's go sign
Speaker 2: some guys and fill out the roster. There was a
Speaker 2: real plan, and that's where you see you get a
Speaker 2: guy like TJ. Bass and others. You know, you get
Speaker 2: guys like that because A they're on your draft board.
Speaker 2: B you have a plan. See you're probably recruiting him.
Speaker 2: You know, you got your line coach on the phone
Speaker 2: in the seventh round saying all right, man, hey, I
Speaker 2: loved your workout. Trust me here, You're gonna be involved.
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna you can make this team. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of that that goes on here.
Speaker 4: How much of you? How much would you say? A
Speaker 4: part of that is also just having a little bit
Speaker 4: of uh, what's what is the word I'm trying to
Speaker 4: look for, maybe a derivative of what Gil Brandt instituted
Speaker 4: way back when, you know, and being able to get
Speaker 4: guys like Everson Walls, Drew Peterson, Cliff Oh great history
Speaker 4: really just kind of coming down Not to say that
Speaker 4: other teams haven't always taken the UDFA market seriously, but
Speaker 4: it feels like the Cowboys have hit on it more
Speaker 4: so than others.
Speaker 2: I started working here in nineteen ninety nine and the
Speaker 2: one thing that I really did. Our draft board, my
Speaker 2: first draft. I remember it just being massive. You know.
Speaker 2: I was used to a draft board of one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty players and just drafted off that. And you know,
Speaker 2: and because I didn't the clutter, I just we were
Speaker 2: all we just didn't like the clutter of it all.
Speaker 2: And you know, Dallas switch to Larry Layswell was credit said, hey,
Speaker 2: we could go to a smaller board. And through the
Speaker 2: years it's developed. Will mcclay's got his board the way
Speaker 2: he likes it. But yeah, I think I think there's
Speaker 2: a great history here, this this organization, and I know
Speaker 2: the Jones family like to say since ninety nine, so
Speaker 2: I was here ninety nine through two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: The college free agent part of it was very important.
Speaker 2: It was you know, you could get on and for
Speaker 2: not caring about pro free agency, but they care about
Speaker 2: that the undrafted one. They really really that is something
Speaker 2: that is super important to them because again it's the
Speaker 2: it's the it's cheaper talent, but the chance to hit
Speaker 2: on one of those guys, Like you say, you hit
Speaker 2: on a TJ. Bass, you potentially got a you know,
Speaker 2: three four year starter.
Speaker 3: Again like that, you know, if you, if you, when
Speaker 3: you do no doubt the year I mean Mark e
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Speaker 3: to do for him. So they have done an excellent
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Speaker 3: broad Us and for one final time, this draft season
Speaker 3: will be back before we know, and I know, Nick,
Speaker 3: We're already getting our boards ready to go for twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. The work never is done, but it's time
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Speaker 2: Can I start this off for let's do Let's go
Speaker 2: in front of you, and I'm sorry I should have
Speaker 2: prepped you guys in this when we were talking, who's
Speaker 2: your highest rated player you had left on your board? Oh? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and you're stacked? Did mine was? Mine? Was Leonard Taylor
Speaker 2: the Miami Oh.
Speaker 3: I think mine was too, because I had him as
Speaker 3: a as the hundredth best best player. I had him
Speaker 3: won the best the hundredth best player for me.
Speaker 2: I think Leonard Taylor was my guy. And at one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen of my stack of the two hundred
Speaker 2: and twelve guys that I had him, and Nelson Caesar
Speaker 2: from Houston was another one. And then Gabriel Murphy. I
Speaker 2: am shocked. Can't believe d't I'm shocked that Gabriel Murphy
Speaker 2: didn't get drafted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am too.
Speaker 2: There must be I was. I got Burglar on the
Speaker 2: phone and I go, all right, expert, man, you know,
Speaker 2: we scout all these guys, and you know, some of
Speaker 2: them don't even get drafted. What happened? He has? Man?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes you know, it's these teams, you know,
Speaker 2: we think it's a medical, we think it's but the
Speaker 2: playing ability of the guys that just named Taylor, Caesar, Murphy,
Speaker 2: I mean those were all draftable players to all of
Speaker 2: them were drafted.
Speaker 3: Another name that I had was Curtis Jacobs, the linebacker
Speaker 3: at Penn Stay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Curtis Jacobs and Isaiah Williams, receiver out of Illinois.
Speaker 4: Those are my two guys. I really liked Isaiah Williams.
Speaker 4: I thought he was really talented. He ended up in
Speaker 4: Detroit as an undrafted free agent. There was some talented
Speaker 4: guys in this undrafted pool for sure.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 3: Some of the questions that we got as we put
Speaker 3: out some twitter on the twenty we had, which player
Speaker 3: from Chance Johnson was the biggest steal in the draft
Speaker 3: from where they were valued in comparison to where they
Speaker 3: were taken in your opinion? So the Cowboys are overall,
Speaker 3: I think, just overall.
Speaker 2: The biggest steal.
Speaker 5: Man, This one's that's a tough, tough yeah.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: In the first round, for me, the one that I
Speaker 3: looked at was Teary and Arnold going all the way
Speaker 3: to the Lions there in the twenties. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I had him as the number one corner and for
Speaker 3: him and the Lions needed a cornerback for Arnold to
Speaker 3: slide to where he did and for them to be
Speaker 3: able to get him there. I thought was tremendous value
Speaker 3: for the first round. For me, he was the best value.
Speaker 2: I hate. Peyton Wilson's the guy for me. And I
Speaker 2: know it's injury history and all that, but where Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: took him. If if Peyton Wilson stays healthy like he
Speaker 2: did at North Carolina State, the Pittsburgh Steelers completely stole
Speaker 2: a player here from the draft board. Yeah. And the
Speaker 2: only thing, the only thing that was hurting Peyton Wilson
Speaker 2: was the tape and in excuse me, the injuries. Sure,
Speaker 2: somebody until somebody in with one of my Gang of
Speaker 2: seven or any of those guys tell me different, I'm
Speaker 2: always going to believe that guy right there will be
Speaker 2: a steal for the team that draft because I just
Speaker 2: had this gut that the Cowboys weren't going to take him,
Speaker 2: you know, it just wasn't going to work out for them.
Speaker 2: So I was going to see which team I kind
Speaker 2: of thought. I thought the Ravens. You know, me and
Speaker 2: my love and the Ravens and the way they draft.
Speaker 2: My second best love is like the Steelers and the
Speaker 2: way that they do things. So the fact that he
Speaker 2: ended up there I thought was a steal for where
Speaker 2: they got him.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with the Steelers and I'm gonna stick
Speaker 4: with a Wilson as well. Of them getting Roman Wilson
Speaker 4: at pick eighty four. I mean, this is a guy
Speaker 4: whenever we were coming out of Senior Bowl was potentially
Speaker 4: talking he was going to be in that early second
Speaker 4: round mix that Keon Coleman and Lad McConkie ended up in.
Speaker 4: But he ended up slipping to mid third round and
Speaker 4: the Steelers get a really big time playmaker there.
Speaker 5: I think that's a really good value for them.
Speaker 2: Man, the Steelers.
Speaker 3: I mean when we'll talk, maybe on the other side
Speaker 3: about some of the best drafts, but I think the Steelers'
Speaker 3: consensus is they were among the top probably three teams
Speaker 3: they came. I mean their offensive line, they did a
Speaker 3: great job filling that with foult toime you there in
Speaker 3: the first round they circle back to Zach Fraser.
Speaker 2: The Steelers cleaned up. They really don't wait. Let me,
Speaker 2: can I give you one more We could play this game.
Speaker 2: We could have a five hours. I'm gonna throw one
Speaker 2: more into after you. I bet you I get your guy?
Speaker 2: Who is it? Jayden Hicks? Okay, so fair.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs had my favorite draft, and I think that
Speaker 3: they they crushed it.
Speaker 2: But I love what you're doing here with Jaden Hicks.
Speaker 2: Fire away, Brian No, Jayden Hicks. I mean, for Kansas City. Here,
Speaker 2: here's the team. They're taking over the role of the
Speaker 2: sit at the bottom of the board and just kind
Speaker 2: of wait and maybe make a little move up or Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna get in the third
Speaker 2: fourth round, I'm gonna make another little move up, or
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down and Jaydane Hicks falling in their lap.
Speaker 2: I I don't know how that happened. It just seems
Speaker 2: like that these players. When you watch a guy like
Speaker 2: Jayden Hicks play, you're just like, wow. We there were
Speaker 2: people that thought that Hicks was over Nuban. I know myself,
Speaker 2: I had Nuban over Hicks, but I respected Hicks's game
Speaker 2: a ton And where where Kansas City grabbed him?
Speaker 3: Yes to me, that agree that was a tremendous value there.
Speaker 2: The guy that I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to throw out was Jalen McMillan to get him
Speaker 3: in the third round at ninety two for Tampa. I mean,
Speaker 3: and this was a I mean, I think even Roman
Speaker 3: Wilson slid into the third round when we talked about
Speaker 3: it the entire time, the amount of wide receivers, but
Speaker 3: Jalen McMillan I love, And when you look at a
Speaker 3: guy like Mike Evans who's getting a little bit older,
Speaker 3: I think Jalen McMillan's going to be a stud there
Speaker 3: in Tampa Bay for many, many years to come. I
Speaker 3: loved that selection there, the wide receiver out of Washington,
Speaker 3: one of my favorite wide receivers in the entire draft. Okay,
Speaker 3: we got this question from Austin. If Cooper Bebe doesn't
Speaker 3: end up winning the starting job at center, what do
Speaker 3: you think the starting five looks like? And do you
Speaker 3: think Bebe would plug in at maybe left guard if
Speaker 3: Guidon's not ready to rock at left tackle, and then
Speaker 3: you move Tyler's Smith out.
Speaker 4: I think those are all possibilities, don't I don't think
Speaker 4: there's a solidified, hey, we're going to try and make
Speaker 4: this starting five work going in a training can. I
Speaker 4: don't think that's the mindset. I think it's, Hey, we're
Speaker 4: gonna bring these two guys in, we're gonna work them well.
Speaker 4: In Bbe's case, we're going to work them at different positions,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna see who's ready to be able to
Speaker 4: start week one, and if they're not, we're gonna put
Speaker 4: We're gonna play around with with what we got. So
Speaker 4: options at center, you got Brock Hoffman, TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass. Probably you lean more so Hoffman. It feels like TJ. Bass.
Speaker 4: They want to be able to just hone in at
Speaker 4: the guard position and let them let him work there.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: If Bbe's not ready to start at center, but he's
Speaker 4: ready to start at guard, they can put him at
Speaker 4: left guard and put Tyler Smith at left tackle.
Speaker 5: That's certainly an option.
Speaker 4: But I think if you ask the team, hey, what
Speaker 4: is your ideal scenario, it is keeping Tyler Smith at
Speaker 4: left guard and letting everything else play out. I think
Speaker 4: if you ask a team, that is what they want
Speaker 4: to do. But again, you factor in Hoffman BB to
Speaker 4: the center position, and then at left tackle you factor
Speaker 4: in Tyler Geidon and then the depth behind him.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of love. As we on day three
Speaker 2: got to talk to Mike Solari and others about Brock Kaufman.
Speaker 2: There's a lot more love about him than maybe Dallas media. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, people around the league, maybe what they think
Speaker 2: about the player. They have a lot of faith in him.
Speaker 2: They didn't, you know, the drafting of a center or
Speaker 2: another center. High was maybe that you know, Mike Solarius
Speaker 2: and this is redundant. Why are we drafting a center?
Speaker 2: Why are we drafting you know, pure center. Let's let's
Speaker 2: think about this. The the the BB pick makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense just because he could play a couple
Speaker 2: of different spots, but that there is a lot of
Speaker 2: love across the hall for Brock Kauffman as a player.
Speaker 2: And so we'll we'll see if they're we'll see if
Speaker 2: their admiration for the player is true when we get
Speaker 2: to training camp.
Speaker 4: This is not to speak on anyone else not being here,
Speaker 4: because there's been a lot of players that have been
Speaker 4: in this building since the end of the season. Brock
Speaker 4: Coffman's probably the only guy I've seen in here every
Speaker 4: single day. Yeah, and not only is he working here,
Speaker 4: he's working across the street with do Mini was So,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's putting a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Seasons and you got to give Brock a lot of
Speaker 3: credit anytime his name was called you talk about the
Speaker 3: Arizona game Washington, I mean.
Speaker 2: He played well he did.
Speaker 3: I mean he he rose to the occasion that tape
Speaker 3: was good there with Brad Coffins, So that's gonna be
Speaker 3: a fun battle with him and Cooper Beebe.
Speaker 2: But you're right the big thing.
Speaker 3: And you could see Mike Slauri's face light up, and
Speaker 3: we were asking him like, okay, you get get and
Speaker 3: how important was that?
Speaker 2: So you can keep Tyler smith Guard. He's like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: we want to keep do smith Guard. And then Guidance's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun too. Okay.
Speaker 3: Last one here from some guy named Bobby Belt. And
Speaker 3: this might be a little bit of an arrogant question
Speaker 3: here if you ask me, but why didn't they draft
Speaker 3: a running back and fellas I think, and you guys
Speaker 3: may agree, I think he probably Dukes. We've all talked
Speaker 3: about this. When they decided to go with Maris Leuisfowl
Speaker 3: a linebacker instead of taking Marshawn Lloyd, instead of taking
Speaker 3: Jalen Wright.
Speaker 2: Then they got wiped out.
Speaker 3: And and I don't think that there really another I
Speaker 3: mean we're sitting here, we all looking like, what are
Speaker 3: you gonna do? I think that they would have been
Speaker 3: kind of reaching over some other guys. They had great
Speaker 3: a hire just to take a running back for the
Speaker 3: sake of taking one once they decided to go with
Speaker 3: marriage Luifoul.
Speaker 2: When Lui Foul got picked, I lost my dream for
Speaker 2: drafting a running back because I didn't think this thing
Speaker 2: was gonna stretch, you know. I mean, I my love
Speaker 2: for Lloyd and Wright and those guys were was big.
Speaker 2: And so when you passed on that, I'm thinking, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna get those guys. Those guys aren't gonna slide.
Speaker 2: And so, like I said, I applaud them for not
Speaker 2: reaching for somebody just to reach for somebody. I've seen
Speaker 2: him do this before, where they just take a running
Speaker 2: back and the kid, you know, he doesn't look good
Speaker 2: in camp, you try him on the practice squad and
Speaker 2: then the next thing you know, he's gone. You know,
Speaker 2: they move him off the practice squad. So yeah, they
Speaker 2: you know, And I don't know, I don't think the
Speaker 2: Zeke signing or the potential of Zeke signing took them
Speaker 2: out of that. I don't know if I'm right or
Speaker 2: wrong about that.
Speaker 4: I mean, Jerry Jones said that that Zeke coming back
Speaker 4: into the equation was a big factor into their running
Speaker 4: back discussion going into the draft.
Speaker 5: But I I find that really hard to believe.
Speaker 2: At the end of the Yeah, I I you know,
Speaker 2: I think they did. I think they you know, what
Speaker 2: do they do? You know, Nick did a great job
Speaker 2: for Dallas Cowboys dot Com when it came to the
Speaker 2: thirty visit thing. Yeah, absolutely, you guys were you guys
Speaker 2: were on top of that, really on top of that,
Speaker 2: and you know you're reporting this and you know, reporting
Speaker 2: this back and it seemed like they had all these
Speaker 2: running backs coming in. So it was a concern. It
Speaker 2: was something that like, Okay, maybe we need to address this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they we'll see, we'll see, history will play
Speaker 2: the thing that And I've said this before, and I'm sorry, folks,
Speaker 2: I repeat myself. I do this a lot. But the
Speaker 2: when when when they lost out, when Green Bay took
Speaker 2: my guy right after them, when they took Lloyd right
Speaker 2: after you know, they took the linebacker, that's when I
Speaker 2: my mine went Okay, I felt like I had the
Speaker 2: guy right that's where okay, that's where he should have
Speaker 2: been taken, you know, And and Dallas had a chance
Speaker 2: to take Lloyd, and you know they but but listen
Speaker 2: to them talk about this linebacker. The Scott Mcurley linebacker.
Speaker 2: They did not want to get caught in the situation
Speaker 2: again like they had last year. We're poor, you know,
Speaker 2: they got safeties playing down in the box as linebackers.
Speaker 2: They wanted to make sure that they protected themselves that way.
Speaker 2: And history will show whether they were right or wrong
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 5: I hate grading picks because I think it's real.
Speaker 2: We need to wait and see how they play.
Speaker 5: I hate grating.
Speaker 4: But would you guys have taken Luifoul over the running
Speaker 4: backs that we're still on the board, if you have
Speaker 4: the opportunity to take that pick right now?
Speaker 5: What would me?
Speaker 2: Personally? You?
Speaker 5: Personally?
Speaker 2: And they don't. They don't give a damn what I think.
Speaker 5: They don't give a damn what you think.
Speaker 2: They do not they do not give a damn what
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: But what would you do?
Speaker 2: Person Yeah? They I would have taken the runner.
Speaker 5: I would have taken Lloyd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have taken right Well, did a lot
Speaker 2: of sense because the tags to me were touching. They
Speaker 2: were absolutely touching right there to me. And if you said, okay,
Speaker 2: what I what? I the them going out and I
Speaker 2: can understand the kneeling, I can understand the kneeling pick,
Speaker 2: I really do. And then the fact that you were
Speaker 2: able to address that, you know, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you got Bebe and Giton and you're like, okay, you
Speaker 2: got this offensive line, now go get a runner. You know,
Speaker 2: I can understand why you drafted Neelon. I really can't sure,
Speaker 2: you know, because we're we're sitting there and focus on
Speaker 2: tackles and linebackers. As far as bad run defenders. Their
Speaker 2: edges weren't great. They lost two ends in free AIG
Speaker 2: they lost, and so they kneeling makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But but when, but when that that linebacker was taken,
Speaker 2: I I said, Okay, they're thinking about this totally different
Speaker 2: than me. But I understood after listening to McCurley and
Speaker 2: them talk day three, they didn't want to get caught
Speaker 2: in a situation where they were short on linebacker. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with everything you said. That what
Speaker 3: they did make sense. And then when we're sitting there
Speaker 3: in the fourth round and you're seeing Wright come off
Speaker 3: the board to Miami and Ray Davis come off the
Speaker 3: board to Buffalo out.
Speaker 2: Of Kentucky, I mean, all all the running backs.
Speaker 3: Just when I think Grendo, Yeah, and when we were
Speaker 3: thinking about maybe isaa garendro can fall, you had a.
Speaker 2: Little skulls were never gonna get Yeah, they were never
Speaker 2: going to get there, no question.
Speaker 3: All right, there's Twitter on the twenty Thank you to
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Speaker 2: Draft show on what was a player that you thought?
Speaker 3: Man, that's a great fit, great value, all the above
Speaker 3: for a certain team in the class. And I think
Speaker 3: when it was made I had thrown this out there
Speaker 3: just during the course of the draft, Nick, I mean,
Speaker 3: I was talking to you about it, But to me,
Speaker 3: I loved the fit of Jared Wiley, the TCU tight
Speaker 3: end going to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you.
Speaker 3: Watch Jared Wiley, big body tight ends, a guy who
Speaker 3: started his career at Texas local player from Temple High
Speaker 3: School here in a great high school football program there
Speaker 3: with Temple. But Jared Wiley has a lot of I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to say, look, this guy's going to
Speaker 3: turn into a Hall of Fame tight end in Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3: But to get to go to Kansas City where he's
Speaker 3: behind Kelsey, he's playing with Patrick Mahomes, he's under Andy Reid,
Speaker 3: who you know really well, Brian, but he's got some Jared,
Speaker 3: He's got some Kelsey like trade when you watch him
Speaker 3: as a receiver. The big question with Jared Wiley was
Speaker 3: okay as a blocker, but he's got the size, like
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt he can develop into
Speaker 3: a better blocker, much like Travis Kelsey has. But my gosh,
Speaker 3: as a receiving threat, I know, you know, outside of
Speaker 3: Rock Bauers, I thought he was the best receiving tight
Speaker 3: end in the draft. His ability to stretch the field
Speaker 3: up the middle, down the seam, you get the ball
Speaker 3: in his hands, He's tough to bring down. He's got
Speaker 3: some quickness to his game. Jared Wiley, I loved that fit.
Speaker 2: They pick him in the.
Speaker 3: Fourth round, one thirty one overall to Kansas City. I
Speaker 3: thought that was a home run selection, and I'm excited
Speaker 3: to see how he grows and develops there behind Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give you.
Speaker 4: One in each of the first three rounds if I could.
Speaker 4: I know I mentioned it on night one, and I've
Speaker 4: mentioned a lot about oulu Fashnu during the time of
Speaker 4: the draft show. And just because I didn't.
Speaker 2: Liked him a lot more than everybody else, I was
Speaker 2: a hater. Hater. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry that.
Speaker 4: I think it's because I needed I think he needed
Speaker 4: a red shirt year. I think he needs to come
Speaker 4: into a program and really develop. He's gonna have the
Speaker 4: opportunity to do that with the Jets. I think that's
Speaker 4: a great fit, a great pick. I am picking him
Speaker 4: at eleven if I understand that, Hey, I don't need him.
Speaker 5: To start immediately. I'm taking him at eleven.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, so.
Speaker 4: I think this is gonna be a really good fit
Speaker 4: for Olu Fashn, who really liked that pick from the
Speaker 4: Jets because they have Tyron Smith that can kind of
Speaker 4: help mold him into what they want him to be potentially.
Speaker 4: Moving on, My second round fit that I really like,
Speaker 4: and this is a guy that slipped who you could
Speaker 4: probably talk about really good value. Adam and I Mitchell
Speaker 4: go into the Colts. Sure they needed a receiver coming
Speaker 4: into this draft, and you know, some mocks had them
Speaker 4: potentially taking one at fifteen or maybe sliding back in
Speaker 4: the first round of grabbing a guy like Xavier Worthy
Speaker 4: or something like that. But they stick at twenty in
Speaker 4: the second round and they're able to grab Ady Mitchell,
Speaker 4: who can slide in and immediately start at wide receiver
Speaker 4: one for them or wide receiver two next to Michael Pittman.
Speaker 4: I think that's a really good fit for a guy
Speaker 4: that can stretch the field. He's got the speed to
Speaker 4: go downfield and be a vertical threat, but he's also
Speaker 4: got the tree as well, and he's got possession skills. Man,
Speaker 4: you throw it up to him in the red zone,
Speaker 4: he's bringing it down. My round three fit that I
Speaker 4: really like, and this is just it's it's you'll understand
Speaker 4: Junior Colson to the Chargers.
Speaker 5: I mean he used to go back and play with Harball.
Speaker 4: It's in a room that just lost Eric Kendricks, so
Speaker 4: he can slide in and potentially start on day one.
Speaker 4: I think he is a day one starter, really good
Speaker 4: pick there by the Chargers, and he's able to go
Speaker 4: to familiar territory, which is really important for him.
Speaker 2: You know my love for Ricky Piersoll, so we won't
Speaker 2: talk about that. I think that's a great fit for
Speaker 2: him where he had ended up there in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: The guy that I thought was a really great value
Speaker 2: and we kind of talked about him, was Mike sanderstill
Speaker 2: the Commanders took in the second round, and I really
Speaker 2: like where to me the fact that converted wide receiver
Speaker 2: that has he's got this this cornerback thing down. I
Speaker 2: mean you watch the awareness he plays with his ability
Speaker 2: to play with quickness. I mentioned a guy that the
Speaker 2: traits that I saw a guy from back in my
Speaker 2: day when I Scott. It was Ronde Barber at Tampa Bay. Smaller.
Speaker 2: Sander still is quicker, faster, but he's got those same
Speaker 2: kind of traits. He's sticky, he could play an outside,
Speaker 2: he could play inside. He's a really good blitzer sure,
Speaker 2: and that's what and that's what Ronde Barber used to
Speaker 2: be able to do. Uh, you know Monti Kiff and
Speaker 2: Rod Marinelli, those guys. They used to blind him up
Speaker 2: in the slot and bring him on blitzes and he
Speaker 2: would get home and get sacks. He was also really
Speaker 2: good at the interception aspects of things. I really do
Speaker 2: think that the Commander's got him one that they you know,
Speaker 2: they they were trying to get Jordan Lewis, right, and
Speaker 2: the Commanders they were trying to get Jordan Lewis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were looking for a nickel. This guy, immediately, I think,
Speaker 2: is going to come in and play at a high
Speaker 2: level nickel for the Commanders this year. Mike Sander, still,
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think in the second round Blake Fisher going to
Speaker 3: the Texans fifty nine overall from Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: I love that pick for them. I thought that was
Speaker 2: a home run.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, like, just to throw out the opposite
Speaker 3: side of this, like, what was a pick that was
Speaker 3: made that was most puzzling. I liked him more than
Speaker 3: you did, Brian, but to take him here, I was like, ooh,
Speaker 3: that's rich for me. Mason Smith, the defensive tackle from LSU.
Speaker 3: The Jags take him in him at forty eight and
Speaker 3: we saw that run in defensive tackle, so maybe they
Speaker 3: knew something like we got to go ahead and just pull.
Speaker 2: The trigger here. But I had a fourth on Mason Smith.
Speaker 2: They know me forty eight. No, no, you you actually
Speaker 2: have him, You have him better than well. I think
Speaker 2: I had him in the fourth too. Here I'm looking
Speaker 2: at my board. Yeah I did. I had him at fourth,
Speaker 2: but I didn't have him. I had the the defensive
Speaker 2: tackle from Texas A and m McKinley Jackson ahead of him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's that. Mason Smith's a gamble now because
Speaker 2: there's some Nick will tell you all about the five
Speaker 2: star guy and everything that led into recruiting him. But
Speaker 2: he's dealt with some injuries now and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: He tends to play a little high that that could
Speaker 2: that is very boom or bust right there for that player.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay back with a seventh round pick. Taj
Speaker 4: Washington to the Domhins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Brendan Rice to the Chargers.
Speaker 3: Talk about value Rice as the top one hundred player
Speaker 3: they get him in the seventh round.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How about Austin Booker too was another one. Yeah, talk
Speaker 2: to the Bears. That's a great pick. Michael Pratt another
Speaker 2: one too in Green Bay. I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3: So one of my first So the Chiefs I thought
Speaker 3: nailed the draft, like getting a guy like Hunter Norsad.
Speaker 2: You brought up Jaden Hicks.
Speaker 6: Dyln King.
Speaker 3: I mean, but Green Bay. I thought Green Bay had
Speaker 3: an excellent draft. Jordan Morgan I think is a great
Speaker 3: pick for them. Whether they want to play them at
Speaker 3: tackler guard, I think they do want to play at tackle.
Speaker 3: Edrin Cooper in the second round forty five overall, I
Speaker 3: thought was a perfect spot. They took my guy, Javon Bullard,
Speaker 3: the safety from Georgia at fifty eight. They lost Darnell Savage.
Speaker 3: Bullard's a plug and play right there. They got Marshawn
Speaker 3: Lloyd right after the Cowboys there, Brian Hopper, the linebacker
Speaker 3: from the Zooked.
Speaker 2: We liked him as well.
Speaker 3: But I really loved the three picks that they made
Speaker 3: in the sixth and then the two and the seventh round.
Speaker 3: Travis Glover Junior. They did this with John Runyon. They
Speaker 3: took late and he played. I think Glover's gonna play.
Speaker 3: I think he's a good player. I the size is there,
Speaker 3: the athletic traits are there. But then we talked about
Speaker 3: you throw the dart at the quarterback? Packers did it?
Speaker 3: Michael Pratt tremendous value. I think we all had him
Speaker 3: as like that. Next year we're taking him like third round.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been surprised to see Michael Pratt go
Speaker 3: off the board. You get him in the seventh out
Speaker 3: of tu lane and then klan King. That's tremendous value.
Speaker 3: Brought his name up the corner from Penn State. I
Speaker 3: thought he'd go anywhere from on day two the second
Speaker 3: or third round.
Speaker 2: I did too. I had him as a third round
Speaker 2: guy there. So yeah, the Packers and they were right
Speaker 2: behind you the majority of the day. So every time
Speaker 2: you made a pick, then it came down the Packers
Speaker 2: and I know, marking off my charts. Some like going, man,
Speaker 2: that was better. So you start comparing him to the team.
Speaker 2: You're you know, you're I mean, I'm looking at the Cowboy.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Okay, I like that pick better than they
Speaker 2: just made than Dallas just made. I like that pick,
Speaker 2: but you know, you're just kind of looking at that
Speaker 2: that way. So I thought the Packers, and it's not
Speaker 2: the fact that I worked at the Packers. I thought
Speaker 2: that their board was they did an indicative of my board,
Speaker 2: And maybe that's a maybe that's a curse for the Packers.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we're giving them a love and these guys
Speaker 2: don't turn out to be good. But I liked they also.
Speaker 5: Picked Keith Nola Dappo there at the end of the
Speaker 5: fifth round.
Speaker 4: That's a safety that has a ton of lamb that
Speaker 4: I think can play in space. Maybe more so a
Speaker 4: strong guy, but I think he can play.
Speaker 5: In space too. But that was a safety that I
Speaker 5: really loved in the process just because of his length.
Speaker 3: Any other teams stood out to you, guys, It's like, man,
Speaker 3: they did a great job.
Speaker 2: I think Baltimore every year we look at them.
Speaker 3: The two corners they get with Nate Wiggins the end
Speaker 3: of the first round and then TJ. Tampa and the
Speaker 3: fourth those were steals.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no one wants to hear it. But the Eagles, man,
Speaker 5: they had a great class.
Speaker 4: It's it's it feels like every year I'm gawing at
Speaker 4: the Eagles class they needed secondary help, and they sured
Speaker 4: that up really early on with Quentyn Mitchell and Cooper
Speaker 4: dejen who depending on who you talk to, a lot
Speaker 4: of those guys or both of those guys have a
Speaker 4: number one corner slot on a lot of different boards.
Speaker 5: Jylyx Hunt.
Speaker 4: They get a super athletic pass rusher there in the
Speaker 4: third round, and then they're able to get an offensive
Speaker 4: weapon in Anya Smith, and they're able to get the
Speaker 4: Clemson duo of will Ship Lee and Jeremona Jeremiah Trotter,
Speaker 4: they get a red zone weapon Johnny Wilson. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's a pretty phenomenal draft. And then I don't
Speaker 4: want to steal from Brian because I feel like he's
Speaker 4: going to talk about it.
Speaker 5: But this Pittsburgh draft was probably.
Speaker 2: We've talked about Pittsburgh and they did a great job, so,
Speaker 2: you know, and like I say, we'll see. That's a
Speaker 2: great thing about the draft is, you know, three years
Speaker 2: I had a guy tell me I had the you
Speaker 2: know that draft we did in Philadelphia ninety eight. I
Speaker 2: had a scout tell me I had the worst draft
Speaker 2: in the history of the NFL, you know, and John Golder,
Speaker 2: God rest his soul. John said, you just had the
Speaker 2: worst draft in the history of the NFL. I go,
Speaker 2: don't you want to give it a few years and
Speaker 2: the next thing you know, yeah, four the eight picks
Speaker 2: make the Pro Bowl. So you got to bless you,
Speaker 2: John GOLs. God bless you. Should let you run that
Speaker 2: draft class more often. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you all so much. You've been part of this.
Speaker 3: I mean, Brian for everything you've done. Ed Ca Hill,
Speaker 3: like the founders here of the Draft show, but we
Speaker 3: wouldn't be here if it weren't for you, man, And
Speaker 3: thank you so much for having the vision, the love
Speaker 3: and then bringing us along as a mentor to be
Speaker 3: able to do this.
Speaker 2: Well. No, you guys have done a hell of a job.
Speaker 2: Has said it after the draft. It's you know, it's
Speaker 2: funny we've had now it's different classes. People go on
Speaker 2: and you know, it's kind of like scouting in the
Speaker 2: real world. You lose scouts along the way you gain scouts.
Speaker 2: You guys did a hell of the jobs for the
Speaker 2: put in the work. You have full time jobs too.
Speaker 2: But the love and the passion you showed for this,
Speaker 2: the intensity you showed for this, the spirit you have
Speaker 2: for it. It makes it all worth the while. This
Speaker 2: is what the Draft show is all about. So thank
Speaker 2: you guys for all your hard work. Iish as well,
Speaker 2: sure Kyle Yeoman's Bobby belt and beaming those guys in
Speaker 2: the back, Derek Gigleton, everybody that gives us this opportunity
Speaker 2: to talk about these players. It's a special It's a
Speaker 2: special one that I don't ever take for granted.
Speaker 3: It is Nick's fantastic job to you as well. Man,
Speaker 3: Thank you all so much that this has been It's
Speaker 3: been a dream and can't wait to run it back
Speaker 3: do it again next year. So so we'll wait, we'll
Speaker 3: put this one to bed, and then we'll come back.
Speaker 2: We'll talk more to draft. We'll be here before you
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 4: I have added the first player to my board, and
Speaker 4: he's not gonna be the first overall pick, Harold Perkins
Speaker 4: at LSU.
Speaker 3: There, let's go, let's get early peak, all right, enjoy it, everybody,
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