1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Well, we'll come in to your city. I want to 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: play our against as saying you a concas will all 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: be desire. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: Tell and if you want a little banging again, you 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: and come along. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm being indicted for you. And I believe the you 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: is more than two hundred million people that love our country. 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: They're out there. The hunter Biden's story, the scandal that 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: this that it's also the story of a father's love. 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I was just thanking. 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: Uh anyway, I started off without you, and I sold 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: a lot of state secrets. 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: And a lot of very important things that we shared. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Freedom is back in style. Welcome to the revolution. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: Were coming. 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: To your city. Don't to play our against alls and 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: saying you a concert? Soll Sean Hennity Show, more me. 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm the scene's information on freaking. 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: News and more bold inspired solutions for America. An hour 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: two Sean Hennity Show, toll free. It is eight hundred 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: and ninety four one, Shawn. You want to be a 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: part of the program. It's always an honor and a 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: privilege and a pleasure to welcome the man that I 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: call the great one. Mark Levin on the program. Uh, 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: clearly the news by the Supreme Court today a really 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: good decision as it relates to affirmative action. And I 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: want to get his thoughts on that, because Mark Levin 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: is sort of like chat GPT when it comes to 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: our constitution? 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: What is that? You don't even know what you know 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: chat GPT, you don't know what chat do. I live 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: in a bubble. I don't know what the hell is now. 33 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: You live in a bunker bubble. They got it. That's right. 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: With my guns, my safe. 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: I got it. I got my guns. Get on my 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: making you big dope about it? Uh, Mark stiletes a McDonald's. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: This is what he says to me. He's going through McDonald's. 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: No, No, don't do that to me. You'll get me 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: in trouble with my wife. Well, she already knows mar 40 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: with you. No was she already? You think? Okay, Mark, 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: you're not losing weight. She knows you're still going to McDonald's. 42 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm called here the great big one. That's not true anyway, 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: But Marco, I want a hamburger, no cheese. I'm lactose intolerating. 44 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean tell them I'm lactose intolerant. The guys are 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: in a minimum wage You didn't give a crap and 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you'll pull out of the place. 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: Damn it. They put cheese on it again. That's true 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: all the time. 49 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: A large fry and and a small di of coke. 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that diet coca is really gonna mitigate. 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Hard coke and a small fry. But who cares? Okay, 52 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: who cares? 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: So not only did I want to have you on 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: about today's decision, I'd actually had you on because I 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: want to promote a book that you have coming out. 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: I Coca. 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: No, it's called The Democratic Party Hates America. 58 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Correct, this is. 59 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: Coming out just the little over a year before what 60 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: I think will be the defining presidential election in a lifetime. 61 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: Mark It's called The Democratic Party Hates America. Amazon dot 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Comhanity dot com if you want a first pren edition. 63 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about this book. I love 64 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: this book, and I have never said that about any 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: book I've written before. I like them all Liberty and Tyranny, 66 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: American Marks. I actually love this book. My wife has 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: read it. There's literally a handful of us. You've seen 68 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: parts of it as well. It is a crucially important book. 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: The timing is unbelievable. That is really coincidental, accidental. You know, 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: you start a book fifteen sixteen months before it comes out, 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: and it's not just a regurgitation everything everybody knows. It 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: is time to call a spade a spade. The Democrat 73 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Party hates America. Democrat Party hates you, the people out there, 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: hate your audience, hates capitalism and hates liberty, hates the 75 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Constitution and the Declaration demonstrated every day. They hate national sovereignty, 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: They ate our flag, they ate our founders, they hate 77 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: our history. It is time to explain, even since before 78 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: the Civil War, the Democrat Party has never embraced America. 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: It was in charge of the Confederacy. It promoted slavery, 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: promoted segregation all the way into the nineteen years. Slowed 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: down here because this history about the Democratic Party, because 82 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: this is the lie, the big lie we get every 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: election season, and frankly, it used to be every two 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: and four years. Now it's almost every day. 85 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: The Republicans are racist and sexist and misogynist, or the 86 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: whole list of the litany of names from the playbook. 87 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Every single civil rights bill that has ever been passed 88 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: has been passed by Republicans since eighteen sixty eight, eighteen 89 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: seventy five, Dwight Eisenhower's two civil rights Bills, the sixty 90 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: four and sixty five Civil Rights Bills. If it had 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: been left to the Democrats, there would have been no 92 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: civil rights bills any time in American history period. Franklin 93 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: rose Ut, as you're learn in this book, The Great Liberator, 94 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: and so for Franklin Rosevelt. The first major program under 95 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: the New Deal was the Federal Housing Authority. You've heard 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: of FAHA. I believe it was nineteen thirty eight, give 97 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: or take. It specifically prevented subsidizing mortgages in black neighborhoods 98 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: or areas surrounding black neighborhoods. You know what they used 99 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: to do with the FAHA in Washington, Shawn. They would 100 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: take a big red magic marker and make lines red lining, 101 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: called red lining. That's where red lining comes from. The 102 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: Democrats did that. What else did they do in the 103 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: New Deal? They re excuse me, Woodrow Wilson. And in 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: the New Deal they resegregated the military, They resegregated the 105 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: federal government. The Republicans had desegregated them. And you go 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: through this and I go through this history. You look 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: at Joe Kennedy Senior. Joe Kennedy Senior was sympathetic the 108 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: Hitler and the third Rich. It got so bad that 109 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: FDR had a Yankem as the ambassador to Britain. What 110 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: about the New York Times, by the way, Yeah, when 111 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about this book, Yes, the New York Times 112 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: also covered up the Holocaust and did FDRs. But I 113 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: do more to expose the true history of the Democrat Party. 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: But that's not good enough, because great, here's the history, 115 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: but I want you to know it. But what's happened 116 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: since the same damn party is destroying them? Now, look 117 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: at this decision. This is the great thing about this book. 118 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: This book will apply to everything that's happening and is 119 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: going to happen, even though I don't even intend it 120 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: that way. You have a fantastic opinion. Finally, by the 121 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: Supreme Court six to three, the three leftists on the 122 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Court vote for what racism, anti Asian racism. That's exactly 123 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: what's going on in our colleges and universities. Forty fifty 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: years ago you had anti Jewish, anti semitism at Harvard 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: and Yell. In these same universities. These are Democrat Party objectives. 126 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: You have TV today filled with these morons, I call 127 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: them legal analysts. They get on TV and what do 128 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: they say, Oh, this is horrible for this community of that. No, 129 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: it isn't. Today the Democrat Party tells you that a 130 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: colorblind society is a racist society. Where does that phrase 131 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: come from? It comes from Frederick Douglass, It comes from 132 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, it comes from Martin Luther King. Why because 133 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats have gone from this anti black, racist, anti Semitic, 134 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: pro eugenics party, pro segregation party, to a Marxist resegregation racist, 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: anti American party. It never embraces our principles. Joe Biden 136 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: does he ever talk up America? What did he say today? 137 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: He's trashing America's racist today. They all do it. It 138 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: is constant. 139 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: How ironic could you imagine if at any point in 140 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: your career, my career, that we ever partnered with a 141 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: former clansman to stop the integration of public schools and 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: actually said the words the way Joe Biden did that 143 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: you didn't want public schools to become racial jungles. How 144 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: come nobody paid attention to that in twenty twenty Mark Levin. 145 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: First of all, half a country did. The other half 146 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: doesn't give it damn apparently. But I will say this, 147 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: it's worse than that, and you'll learn it in the book. 148 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: Joe Biden didn't just oppose integration. Joe Biden was one 149 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: of the leaders with Eastland in the Mississippi and others 150 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: who were leading the efforts to keep public schools in 151 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: our cities segregated. People need to understand this. Joe Biden 152 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: wasn't just an observer who voted. Joe Biden was an activist. 153 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: And so when he says today he talks about Jim 154 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Crow and attacks the Republican Party, show me one leading Republican. 155 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: Don't give me strong thron them at any leading Republican 156 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: who supported that sort of view. Nobody I get into. 157 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: Just so people know, Lyndon Johnson the greater Man spirit, No, 158 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was a racist his entire life. And 159 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: I will explain that, and I do in the book too, 160 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: and I'll go on and on and on. But even 161 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: putting race aside, do they ever support capitalism? No? Do 162 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: they ever support the private sector? No? Will they ever 163 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: leave us alone? No? Now, they're in our kitchens. Now 164 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: they're in our bedrooms. I thought they're supposed to stay 165 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: out of our bedrooms. Now they're in our automobiles. Climate change, 166 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: which is really a form of Marxism, gives them the 167 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: They claim the authority to do anything. We need to 168 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: clean the air, we need to clean the water. It's existential. 169 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: We don't have any time, so nobody can actually sit 170 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: back and think about what they're saying or what they've 171 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: lied about in the past. And so I call it 172 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: the de growth movement. They're making us poorer and you 173 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: can see it already. We're in a hurry. They don't 174 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: want people to have any time to think about these things. 175 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: Joe Biden likes to talk about bottom up and middle out. 176 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Nobody knows what the hell he's talking about. He's all 177 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: top down. They're imposing us posing these things. Let us 178 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: you know who taught Joe Biden this, or at least 179 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: the people advising him. Sean Hannity, By the way, do 180 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: you have a middle name? By the way, I do not, well, actually, 181 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: Sean Patrick Kennedy. But go ahead, you must be Irish 182 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: or something anyway, So what you making fun of me? Peeps? 183 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: I don't like that at all my old country. I 184 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: think Joe Biden's great anyway, So where are you, damn fool? 185 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: You are yes anyway. So I'm just making the point 186 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: that it's all top to It was Lenin who talked 187 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: about that he's surrounded by these Leninists. It's disgusting. The 188 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: Obama people. Bernie Sanders has his people sprinkled throughout the government, 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, everybody under Merrick Ireland, every one 190 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: of them is an Obama radical Marxist people are what's happening. 191 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: That's what's happening. And so I think it's time, rather 192 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: than to talk sort of superficially at a surface level 193 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: houses happening, we got to take it to this party, 194 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: and we not only have to defeat it, we have 195 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: to obliterate it, because if we don't obliterate it, it 196 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: is not really an American system party. In fact, it's 197 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: more than a political party. It's more than a cultural party. 198 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: You know what it is, Sean, It's the party of 199 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: the state. It's the party of government. That's what it is. 200 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: That's why it keeps building the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy needs 201 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: the Democrat party, and the Democrat Party needs the bureaucracy. 202 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: Why because the biggest lawmaker in the nation today is 203 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: a fourth branch of government that isn't even in the constitution. 204 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: It's the bureaucracy, call it the swamp, the administrative state, 205 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: whatever you want. They are there to sabotage Republicans when 206 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: they get elected, and they are there to do everything 207 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: they can to advance the radical left agenda, the EPA 208 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: spinning out, regulate pizza parlors. Now they reach into hair places, 209 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: they reach into everything, and they're not gonna stop. We 210 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: destroy that party. And so I want to explain it. 211 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: How they are stealing the language, how they are trying 212 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: to control thought like totalitarian regimes do. Where here we 213 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: sit like a bunch of dummies. We can't define what 214 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: a woman is and what a man is. We've a 215 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice now who would need to find I 216 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: don't know what a woman is. I need a biolticy. 217 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: What are you an idiot? And they do this purposely. 218 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: So I pull it all together, I pull the history together. 219 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: I explain what's taking place in our country. It's a revolution, 220 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: it's not a revolution by arms. But there were communists 221 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: in the past, Remschi from Midaly, Marcus who was from Berlin. 222 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: They all had an effect in our colleges and universities. 223 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: And the bottom line is they said this, You don't 224 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: have to overthrow society violently, be nice if you do. 225 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: But in democracies it's not gonna work that way. Why 226 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: because the proletariat, the middle class, they like their country. 227 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: So the way to overthrow them is what it's to 228 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: secrete yourself in their culture, in their government and bureaucracy 229 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: into a top down where they have no say and 230 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: no control. 231 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: Quick break more with the great one, Mark Levin, The 232 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: Democrat Party Hates America Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com 233 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: coming out in nearly fall. To continue with Mark Levin 234 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: talking about the Supreme Court decision in his new book 235 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: coming out at the end of the summer, The Democrat 236 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 2: Party Hates America. Let me get one question in about this. 237 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: So Biden gives his little talk today, his little speech 238 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: that you refer to, and I mentioned it in the 239 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: last hour. But then they tried to throw questions at him, 240 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: and one reporter threw a question at him, said he 241 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 2: wasn't going to take questions. The question was President Biden, 242 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: The Congressional Black Caucus said, the Supreme Court is thrown 243 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: into question its own legitimacy. 244 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: Is this a rogue court? Biden? 245 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: This is not a normal court. Next question, should there 246 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: be term limits for justices? 247 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Sir? 248 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: Now we know that Democrats want to pack the courts. 249 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: We know they want DC statehood, We know they want 250 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: the biggest power grab they can possibly have. Isn't all 251 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: of this on the ballot? In a year and a half, 252 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: Mark Leman I. 253 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Wrote a book called ben in Black, my first book 254 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: a couple of decades ago, and I called for term 255 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: limits for justices. It was trashed by every liberal law 256 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: professor in America. Show. But now that they don't have 257 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: the court, these people are. You have to understand their chameleons. 258 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Now they want term limits. Here's the bottom line for 259 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: the Black Caucus and everybody else. They want to resegregate 260 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: the country. They believe in critical race theory. You and 261 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: I believe in a colorblind society, our audiences do. This 262 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: was flat out bigoted racial discrimination against Asian Americans, and 263 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: Harvard said they had a question on their admission forms 264 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: and so forth. Asian Americans were stereotyped they didn't have 265 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: quote unquote the personalities that they needed for a diverse classroom, 266 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: and so they're concern it really was, you might have 267 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: a class full of forty percent Asians. So what they're 268 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: individual human beings? Who cares who they are? So now 269 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: conservatives are fighting the civil rights battles of the sixties 270 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: and seventies against the George Wallace Democrat Party. That's exactly 271 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: what's going on today. 272 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: Well, Mark Levin, this is going to be a blockbuster. 273 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: It's called The Democratic Party Hates America. It's coming out 274 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: at the end of the summer and we're looking forward 275 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: to doing an hour interview. I'm actually going to interview 276 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: you on your show, which is the number one show 277 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: on weekends of Fox, and I'm looking forward to that. 278 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: It's called the Democratic Party Hates America. No, No, the 279 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: Democrat Party. They like sorry Democratic Sorry, Democrat Party hates America. 280 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: I stand corrected. 281 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: By the way, Mark is the only one that's a 282 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: guest on TV that tells the host when he's done, 283 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: that's it. 284 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: You know why? Thank me? You got other guests there 285 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: who just they got to have their face on TV. 286 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: They regurgitate, they spot all right, but stop me, get 287 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: the hell out of here. 288 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: All right, I'm done, get it. I made the mistake, ones, 289 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: I said, Mark, I got a follow up question. I 290 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: just told you. 291 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm not trying to rude. You're gonna be 292 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: You're you're in big trouble over the McDonald's story today. 293 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: You know you are such a pain in the ears. 294 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you have no idea. You're not going to 295 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: get in trouble. Yeah, you're not going to get you 296 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: are my wife says, at least she wants me to live. 297 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, I want you to live, for crying out loud, 298 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: but I can't. What am I gonna do? You're a 299 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: grown man. I'm supposed to stop you from ordering. 300 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: Are not my wife? Thank God? Goodbye. 301 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: Well, we'll we'll take care of us and give Linda 302 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: a big hug for the Democrat Party Hates America. Hannity 303 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: dot com, Amazon dot com if you want to first 304 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: print edition the great One, Mark Levin, thank you, sir, 305 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: God bless thanks, Brether, God bless us. All right, twenty 306 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: five to the top of the hour. I've been telling 307 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: you for many months now about the importance of every 308 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: school having a Knox Entry Access system. That quickly allows 309 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: long enforcement into lock campus doors during any active shooter incident. 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Parents, grandparents, 318 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: you need to know if your kid's school has installed 319 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: a Knox Entry System, go to their website at school 320 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: entry dot com school entry dot com. All right, we 321 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: continue our discussion about the Supreme Court decision from earlier 322 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: today as it relates to affirmative actions six to three 323 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: and six to two. In one case, Judge Jackson accused 324 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: herself from the Harvard part of the case. Harvard and 325 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: the University of North Carolina anyway, they rule against affirmative action. 326 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: Race cannot be a factor for college. Very interestingly, Roger Severino, 327 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: vice president of Domestic Policy at the Heritage Foundation, Trump's 328 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: former director of the Office of Civil Rights. He actually 329 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: wrote an article about this and for me, last month's 330 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: Supreme Court argument in the Harvard affirmative action case was personal. 331 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: Growing up poor in Los Angeles, the son of Columbian immigrants, 332 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: I faced my share of racist taunts and stereotyping. I 333 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: refuse to let my worth and my story be reduced 334 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: to a neat little box. I refused to risk taking 335 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 2: a spot from a more qualified student because they happen 336 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: to be Asian, American or white. But most of all, 337 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: I didn't check the box because I wanted to be 338 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: able to say without any hesitation that I got into 339 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: Harvard Law School because of my father's hard work, my 340 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: mother's from prayers, and my own exertions, and no stigma, 341 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: no guilt, no self doubt, and most of all, no 342 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: guarantee of failure or success. 343 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Just a fair shot. That's the freedom that comes with 344 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: not checking the box. That's what equal opportunity truly means. 345 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: And I hope the Supreme Court agrees and they do. 346 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: Bill Jacobson also is well US Cornell law professor who 347 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: had written extensively about this case and founder of Equalprojects 348 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: dot org. Welcome both of you to the program. 349 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on. 350 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: Roger, you mean literally not check the box. 351 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: Correct. I did not check the box literally. But the 352 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: wonderful news is the box is banned. It is dead 353 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: and buried after this decision. And my daughter, who I 354 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: only speak Spanish too, and she only responds to me 355 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: in Spanish, she's going to apply to the diary leagues 356 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: based on her merit and she's gonna have that beautiful 357 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: freedom of being able to be judged on the content 358 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: of her character and not the color of her skin. 359 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: And that's what this decision really represents. 360 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: You know, I was not surprised by the decision, and 361 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: you never want to listen to oral arguments and think 362 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: you can get a read on how justices are likely 363 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: going to vote in the in the end, but I 364 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: thought it was pretty transparent that this was likely going 365 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: to be six three sixty two in the one case. 366 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: And I think for a lot of reasons. 367 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: Now you know, there's certain objective criteria that should be 368 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: factored into admissions and probably should be the biggest factor. 369 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: And you can correct me, Roger, if you think I'm wrong. 370 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: I mean, every kid has an opportunity to take the 371 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: harder classes in high school, the ap classes in high 372 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: school and get even better than a four point zero 373 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: grade point average and get straight a's. 374 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Is through four years of high school. 375 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: You know, every kid up to recently anyway, was taking 376 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: an SAT test or an ACT test, and it's the 377 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: same test for every kid across the country. And for 378 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: those people that ace that test or those tests, I 379 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: think that's a criteria that you know, if you scored above, 380 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: that probably means you studied more and probably you know, 381 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: put in the time and effort to do well on 382 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: that exam because it's not particularly easy to score, you know, 383 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: over fifteen hundred on your SATs, or in the case 384 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: of one of my nephews, get a sixteen hundred or 385 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: another nephew getting a fifteen eighty, if you can believe that, 386 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: and they both went to Ivy League schools as a 387 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: result of it. Now then you have kids that maybe 388 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 2: have a fourteen hundred, but based on racial considerations, you know, 389 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: why should they take the spot of somebody that had 390 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 2: objectively better grades and better test scores. 391 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: And you're right, and the test scores those are the 392 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: great levelers. It doesn't matter where you come from you 393 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: have the opportunity to be measured like everybody else, the 394 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 3: same test that everyone takes. It takes the subjectivity out 395 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: of it. And that's where minorities can thrive is given 396 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: the opportunity. And we have a broken education system. We 397 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: need more school choice to give more minorities that opportunity. 398 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: And because we're trapped in staming government schools, that's a 399 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 3: bigger problem. That's a front end problem. They were trying 400 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: to fix that front end problem with a back end 401 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: solution of racial preferences that says we're going to privilege 402 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: some races and not others. So I grew up in 403 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: la very jurist community, and my Hispanic friends and Asian 404 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: friends were all in the same boat, all effectively poor, struggling. 405 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: The Asian students who did well were blocked by Harvard 406 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 3: from getting in. That is the mole of this story 407 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: that came out of this decision. Harvard said there were 408 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: too many Asians and they were capping them, and they 409 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: used equal personality score to get around those objective measures 410 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: because Asians were scoring higher on apps. 411 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: But did you see Harvard's comment today, Yes, follow bye 412 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: by the law, but they put in there the caveat 413 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: that they will continue to look at other factors, which 414 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: tells me they're just going to look to skirt around 415 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: the law and to keep doing what they've been doing. 416 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, So I'm part of their alumni newsletter, and 417 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: I received an email where they are a lot of 418 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 3: hand ringing going on at Harvard, and they said, and 419 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 3: I could quote it for you, that they must admit 420 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 3: and educate a student body whose members reflect and have 421 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: lived multiple facets of human experience. Okay, that is legitimate, 422 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: except what they interpret that to mean is race. And 423 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: they make it very clear that they're still going to 424 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: try to find a way to have racial identity, identity 425 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: be front and center because they really do believe, as 426 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: Justice Katanji Brown Jackson and so that we are, that 427 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: it's about structural racism and critical race theory. Now out 428 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: of this unless you do putting your thwe on the 429 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: scale and lifting some races above others and putting others 430 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: below others by force. 431 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 2: So, Professor Jacobson, Bill Jacobson, my understanding is you are 432 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: a professor at law at Cornell Universe City, and about 433 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: a year ago in October, this is coming October. 434 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: It'll be a year. 435 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: You delivered a speech on the issue of affirmative action, 436 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: dealing specifically with the North Catrolina case and the Harvard case, 437 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: and you're also the founder of the website called Legal Insurrection. 438 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: You delivered your thirty minute remarks to a packed house 439 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: and the Cornell Political Union, a nonpartisan debating society that 440 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: brings speakers like you to into opine on political issues, 441 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: tell us what happened. 442 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's what's so amazing is so I 443 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: participated in a debate and still called Oxford style debate, 444 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 4: where I gave my presentation against racial preferences, and I 445 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: made my presentation about all the reasons it's wrong about counterproductive, 446 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: et cetera. And then the students there got to debate it, 447 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 4: and then they took a vote, and they actually agreed 448 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: with me, the majority of the student but the only 449 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 4: agreeson to that. 450 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: By the way, I hate to tell you, that kind 451 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: of shocked me, considering I know with I know Cornell 452 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: really well. 453 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: I've been up there many times for my kids tournaments. 454 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 4: Well, because they could vote in secret, it was secret ballot, 455 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been a majority vote on my side. 456 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: They had to put their name on it. And that's 457 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 4: because everybody's scared to death on campus is to disagree. 458 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: But let me tell you, I run into students all 459 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 4: the time. People hate this. They hate the racialization of education. 460 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: They would vote against it if we're on the ballot, 461 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 4: Like in California they voted against it. I think Michigan 462 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 4: it was they voted against it. People hate it, but 463 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 4: they're afraid to say anything. And that's why the administrators 464 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: at Harvard who circulated that email right after the decision 465 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 4: came down, which said, oh, well, the court says we 466 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: can take someone's life experiences and they can work race 467 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 4: into it that way. These colleges and the administrators and 468 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 4: the professors for the most part, are so addicted to 469 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 4: this sort of racialization of everything they are going to 470 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 4: try to find ways to get around it. 471 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: That's it. 472 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 4: This is a great decision. I love this decision. It 473 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: was right, but it's not the end of the fight. 474 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 4: In some ways, it's just the beginning. 475 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: Do you believe, especially with the Asian American community, that 476 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: there is institutionalized discrimination against them in admissions. 477 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: I think there is, and that's how the Harvard case 478 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: proves it. And the Harvard case, the only reason they 479 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 4: could prove it or the SAT scores. So what is 480 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: Harvard and what are many elite schools now doing. They're 481 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 4: doing away with mandatory SAT scores. Law schools are considering 482 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 4: doing away with the LSATs. Medical schools. Some have already 483 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 4: eliminated the M test tests. So they are not going 484 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 4: to eliminate the discrimination in reaction to this decision, They're 485 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 4: going to eliminate the proof of the discrimination. So this 486 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 4: is going to go way underground. This is going to 487 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 4: take even more all this racism behind closed doors. So again, 488 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: I totally agree with this decision. It's a great decision, 489 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: But I think people would be deluding themselves if they 490 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 4: think that administrators at colleges who have built their careers 491 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 4: around diversity, equity, and inclusion, built their careers around viewing 492 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: people as proxies for ethnic and racial groups, are all 493 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 4: of a sudden going to say, oh, the Supreme Court 494 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: disagrees with us, we're going to stop. That's not going 495 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 4: to happen. The fight's going to be just as intense, 496 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 4: in some ways, even more difficult because they won't do 497 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 4: things so openly. 498 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: You know, I tend to agree with your complete analysis 499 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: over here. Quick break will come back more with Roger 500 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: Severino and Bill Jacobson on the other side discussing today's 501 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: Supreme Court decision. All right, we continue with the Supreme 502 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: Court ruling against affirmative action that race cannot be a 503 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: factor for college admissions today with Roger Severino and Bill Jacobson. 504 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: Let me go back a little bit here in Harvard's 505 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: reaction to all of this, because I find that somewhat amazing, 506 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: and I really just want to get a little deeper 507 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: into this because I think it's relevant. Roger and ask 508 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: you and you know, the court held. They pointed out 509 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: that Harvard's college admission system does not comply with the 510 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: principles of the Equal Protection Clause embodied by Title six 511 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: of the Civil Rights Act. 512 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: The statement said. 513 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: The Court also ruled that colleges and universities may consider 514 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: in admissions decisions and applicants discussion of how race affected 515 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 2: his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. 516 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: Who will certainly comply with the Court's decision. It just 517 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: sounds to me like it's going to be business as usual. 518 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: And I think that Bill makes a good point. You know, 519 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: all these schools they're now eliminating you know, SAT scores, 520 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: ACT scores, l s AT scores now not necessary for 521 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: many law schools. So they're taking away the one objective criteria, 522 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: an equal playing field for anybody. 523 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: Yes, and there is one sign of hope. Harvard was 524 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: going to lose its case because the numbers were so stark. 525 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: Their discrimination is against Asian Americans was undeniable. And once 526 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: the case took off, they started allowing more Asian Americans 527 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: in all of a sudden, Asian Americans became more qualified 528 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: and now you have six seven, eight nine percent more 529 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: than they were admitting before. So the pressure had an effect. 530 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: Do you think the pressure ultimately will be financial damages 531 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: down the road. Is that what's going to impact. 532 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: Them the most. 533 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: This does open a door to private lawsuits under Title six, 534 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: the law I wouldn't I enforced as the head of 535 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: a civil rights office which said you cannot discriminate if 536 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: you receive federal funds. Now the Biden administration, I have 537 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: no doubt they will do nothing with this decision. In fact, 538 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: they were probably going to resist it as much as possible. 539 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: Harvard has already signaled that in their view to count 540 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: as a diverse student body. You need to have an 541 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: effective quota system. And if they start counting, they're going 542 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: to open themselves up to a lawsuit. Right, we will 543 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: know over time just how bad discrimination is because more 544 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: losses will be able to come and through the depositions, 545 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: they'll put the administrators on the stand effectively and say 546 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: did you actually count the numbers? And the answer is yes, 547 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: they are in serious trouble when it comes to ranks. 548 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: How did you make a decision at such a young 549 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: age not to check the box the box about your race. 550 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: Well, it was difficult because I had been a beneficiary 551 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 3: of affirmative action and throughout college all these doors were 552 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: opened me, everything handled on a silver platter. And I 553 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: felt conflicted because I had an Asian girlfriend at the time, 554 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: who was bright and came from the same town as 555 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: I did, same background. She was flatly ineligible to get 556 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: any of these benefits that I was getting, and I couldn't. 557 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: I could not live with myself. 558 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: You see my kids play individual sports, well they did. 559 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: They're both D one athletes. And you know, the great 560 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: equalizer about it is you're either you know. 561 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Good enough to play or you're not good enough to play. 562 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: You either are good enough to start or you're not 563 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: good enough to start. You're either good enough to get 564 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: recruited or you're not good enough to get recruited. I mean, 565 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: there's certain other criteria as well. The coaches look for. 566 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: They try to build out teams that you know, have 567 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: harmony and stuff. But there are people that are brought 568 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: onto teams that bring things to the team that will 569 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with competitive play as much as 570 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: leadership roles that they might play on the team. And 571 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: god forbid, somebody gets injured. You got to have, you know, 572 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: you got to build out your lineup. It's like half 573 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: the teams is on the football team, but they're not playing. 574 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: And you're putting to another really important angle, the people 575 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: that are supposed to be helped by racial preferences. Let's 576 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: leave aside the people that are directly hurt Asian Americans 577 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: and whites that are that are explicitly excluded, Okay, about 578 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: the people you're trying to help. It creates a mismatch. 579 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: This is absolutely proven by the social science. When you 580 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: put people in an environment where they didn't meet the qualifications, 581 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: you are setting them up for failure. A lifetime of 582 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: self doubt what could have been, and resentment right, and 583 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 3: then it just feeds upon itself, this sense of racial 584 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: division and creates racial animosity because you're setting up minority 585 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 3: students for failure. I saw it personally. Those that were 586 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: in the affirmative action programs with me did not thrive 587 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: as the idea said that they would. It didn't happen 588 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 3: that way. They were putting in environments where they were 589 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: falling behind. Knowingly, we're putting those environments and that's unfair 590 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: to them, and it actually hurt them in the long 591 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 3: run because it could have thrived in a different environment 592 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: if you had well. 593 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: Said maybe you're a D three athlete is by the way, 594 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: that's something to be proud of also. Anyway, appreciate both 595 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: of you. Roger Severino, thank you, Bill Jacobson, thank you. 596 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: Eight and nine one Shawne number you want to be 597 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: a part of the program.