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Speaker 1: They're happy Wednesday, and welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Toodcast.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like I.

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Speaker 1: Have to do a previously on the Chuck Toodcast. I

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Speaker 1: literally taped about an hour before Donald Trump did his

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Speaker 1: to defend pedophilia, to say, well, you know, hey, creepy

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Speaker 1: old men that desire fifteen year olds, they shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: treated as harshly as creepy old men who may desire

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Speaker 1: eight year olds. I mean, come on, you know, stop digging,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you know stop you know I will

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Speaker 1: tell you this. I hate nothing more than her being

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Speaker 1: classified as part of the larger media ecosystem because it

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Speaker 1: brings disrepute on all of us. But hey, I think

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Speaker 1: this is why so many of you have chosen to

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Speaker 1: trust individuals and not institutions, because the institutions themselves, I

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Speaker 1: have been corrupted in many ways, are corroded by some

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Speaker 1: of these people, and the best you can do is

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Speaker 1: to is to focus on individuals. All right, Sorry, my

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Speaker 1: crankiness is over. But I mean, I can't believe Vanity Fair,

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Speaker 1: which which I think feels like it used to be

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Speaker 1: this sort of prideful news magazine that would would do

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Speaker 1: aggressive reporting but always grounded in real journalism. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they've had reporters who've slept sources in the past, but

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Speaker 1: not like this into knowingly hire a reporter who has

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Speaker 1: done this serially. I think shows you that something has

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Speaker 1: gone totally off the rails right now at Conde Nast, and.

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Speaker 2: That's a bummer.

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Speaker 1: That's too bad. I hope somebody sobers up given what

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Speaker 1: we're all seeing and witnessing on that. All right, very quickly,

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Speaker 1: a few political items. I hope you're paying attention. There's

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Speaker 1: a special before the year goes out, there's a special

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Speaker 1: election in Tennessee seven. We have seen that Donald Trumps

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Speaker 1: superpack has dropped a whole bunch of money into that

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Speaker 1: special election. They're trying to help the Republican candidate, Mark

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Speaker 1: Van Epps in that one. I will say this the

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Speaker 1: Democratic candidate. One could argue that the Democrats didn't get

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Speaker 1: the candidate that they would have won, that actually could

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Speaker 1: have pulled this upset right in bain Ben. I hope

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Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing her name correctly. It's b e h n

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Speaker 1: Is was the more progressive candidate. It is not. This

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Speaker 1: is not a Connor Lamb situation or a John Ossoff situation.

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Speaker 1: Someone that's a little bit closer to the center. That

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Speaker 1: quote unquote fits the district. I think Republicans think they

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Speaker 1: will be able to paint her as just a bit

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Speaker 1: too progressive for Tennessee, a bit too progressive for the

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Speaker 1: national suburbs. But we're looking at single digits in this,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that I think the fair over

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Speaker 1: underline on this, if you were going to set a spread,

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Speaker 1: is somewhere in the five to seven point range, and

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Speaker 1: I would say over seven you have to feel pretty

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Speaker 1: good as a Republican that maybe you know, you can

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Speaker 1: stave off a massive way. But if this is under

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Speaker 1: five with a candidate this progressive on the Democratic side,

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Speaker 1: that means that is all environment, that is all sort

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Speaker 1: of that lopsided turnout. So you know, I keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on it. It's you know, it's obviously it's a

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Speaker 1: big twenty plus point Trump district. If a Democrat wins Trump,

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Speaker 1: a Republican would likely win it in a regular general election.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that Republicans are spending money there is

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Speaker 1: just yet another sign that they do have a massive

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Speaker 1: turnout issue.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Their voters don't come out for these non presidential elections

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Speaker 1: as it is, and now you have sort of an enthusiastic,

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Speaker 1: sort of anti Trump base that is surging to the polls,

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Speaker 1: as we've now seen in these.

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Speaker 2: Off off your elections.

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Speaker 1: So not surprising that they're dropping money there. Frankly, it's

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Speaker 1: probably a smart investment and it should it should keep things.

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Speaker 1: It probably will keep that, keep that district Republican. The

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Speaker 1: other thing that happened just before I went to.

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Speaker 2: I went to air.

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Speaker 1: Here is the court ruling in Texas. Now I'm still

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Speaker 1: looking for some clarification, but it looks like California.

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Speaker 2: You know, So if.

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Speaker 1: Texas is maps the re redisterting, if the new maps

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Speaker 1: right now have been thrown out, the decision will get appealed.

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Speaker 1: Then we shall see what happens. But if they stay

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Speaker 1: thrown out, the California map doesn't revert, even though originally

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Speaker 1: the original legislation and the proposition was that the map,

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Speaker 1: you know that they wouldn't do this if Texas stood down.

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Speaker 1: Once Texas went through it, they got rid of that language.

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Speaker 1: So if the Texas maps get thrown out but California's

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Speaker 1: maps stay, you want to talk about a karma moment

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, you know he instigated this. We could

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Speaker 1: be in a situation where Democrats actually net more seats

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Speaker 1: out of re redistricting because of the Texas map getting

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Speaker 1: thrown out throughout right, We've already seen what happened in Utah.

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Speaker 1: We saw the compromise that Republicans made with Democrats.

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Speaker 2: In Ohio.

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Speaker 1: We have an Indiana state Senator that continues to stand

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Speaker 1: up and say no to redistricting, and it looks like

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Speaker 1: that that's at least going to prevent a special session.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how they're going to get I

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Speaker 1: don't think they can will it to happen because the

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Speaker 1: clock is going to run out. But if they if

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Speaker 1: Republicans can't get a court to bless this map in Texas,

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Speaker 1: this entire exercise will have cost them seats, not gain

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Speaker 1: them seats. As with the Texas map, it would now

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Speaker 1: tay an open question. Does Virginia stand down if the

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Speaker 1: Texas because Virginia is looking to add yet three or

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Speaker 1: four more to the Democratic column, or do Republicans start

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Speaker 1: to put pressure in some of these others. Does Florida

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Speaker 1: get aggressive and trying to change its map and then

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Speaker 1: therefore Virginia stays this. So look, we've got a bit

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Speaker 1: of a shake up here. As I've told you, I

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Speaker 1: still think the re redistricting wars they're either it's most

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Speaker 1: likely going to be a net change of no more

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Speaker 1: than two or three to benefit the Republicans, but if

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Speaker 1: the Texas mech gets thrown out, it could end up

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Speaker 1: being two or three, then ends up benefiting the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: And again, those of you that believe in karma would say, hey,

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Speaker 1: karma is a bitch, right, Welcome to that world, mister President.

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Speaker 1: But there's an appeals process. We'll see what happens here.

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Speaker 1: But you know it, one would hope the courts would

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Speaker 1: be uncomfortable with the willy nilly nature that all of

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Speaker 1: these states and all of these legislatures are going about

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Speaker 1: the attempt at redistricting every two years. I was recently

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Speaker 1: doing a I was on a panel with my friend

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Speaker 1: Brad Todd, a longtime Republican consultant.

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Speaker 2: He says, you know, he says.

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Speaker 1: The last time that this country regularly had states redistricting

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Speaker 1: every two years was the eighteen forties. He goes, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to have to tell you where what would happen,

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Speaker 1: what happened from the eighteen forties to the eighteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: and what that eventually led to. But the point is

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Speaker 1: this re redistricting is unhealthy for our politics. It's unhealthy

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Speaker 1: for the system it was such a it is such

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Speaker 1: a corrosive thing that Donald Trump, a war that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump started, But now that you have the Democrats willing

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Speaker 1: to engage in it, it certainly is creating a landscape

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six that is suddenly looking a lot

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Speaker 1: more bullish for the Democrats and a lot more bearish

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Speaker 1: for the Republicans. And throwing out this Texas map would

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Speaker 1: only make a mediocre environment suddenly look a whole lot worse.

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Speaker 1: All right with that, we're actually going to focus a

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Speaker 1: little bit on twenty twenty six. My interview today is

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Speaker 1: with a new candidate, if you will. It's one of

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Speaker 1: these moderate, outsider Demokocrats that the party is hoping can

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Speaker 1: flip some red state Senate seats. Josh Turret is one

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Speaker 1: of a couple of candidates that's running in the open

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Speaker 1: seat in Iowa. Turrek's story is a fascinating one. He's

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Speaker 1: from Council Bluffs. He represents a fairly a district that

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Speaker 1: in the state legislature that is Republican, that is a

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Speaker 1: Trump voting district. He is somebody that that Democrats think

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Speaker 1: might be able to talk to Republicans. And if you know,

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Speaker 1: the only way to win an Iowa Senate seat is

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Speaker 1: to do that. He calls himself a Prairie populist, but

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Speaker 1: he is somewhat new to politics. He's spent the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years as a professional wheelchair basketball player. He's also

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Speaker 1: a two time gold medalist in the Paralympics, leading the

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Speaker 1: US men's wheelchair basketball team. So it's an interesting story.

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Speaker 1: We talk a little bit of hoops at the end,

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Speaker 1: but for the most part, it is a who are you,

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Speaker 1: why are you running? And what do you stand for?

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Speaker 1: And where do you come down on a few of

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Speaker 1: the issues that do divide democrats these days. So, as

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Speaker 1: you know, Iowa is one of is one of.

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Speaker 2: My adopted home states.

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Speaker 1: It's where my dad grew up, and so I've always

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Speaker 1: considered Iowa as part of my roots, even though I

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Speaker 1: never grew up there. Those of you have heard me

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Speaker 1: tell this story though my savings account was at the

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Speaker 1: Waterloo Savings Alone when I was a kid for a time.

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Speaker 1: That's how important it was for my father to my

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Speaker 1: father to connect me in some form or another with

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Speaker 1: a route in Iowa. So I always pay a little

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Speaker 1: bit more attention to what's happening in Iowa, just like

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Speaker 1: I do with what's happening in my actual home state

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Speaker 1: of Florida as well as my other home state, which

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Speaker 1: of course is Virginia. So with that, we'll sneak at

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Speaker 1: a break and when we come back my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Iowa Senate Hopeful Josh Turam, there's a reason results matter

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Speaker 1: more than promises, just like there's a reason Morgan and

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Speaker 2: So joining me now.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the most decorated Olympians in Iowa history.

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Speaker 1: Josh Turik is candidate for the US Senate, but born

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Speaker 1: with spina bifida. He ended up making a name for

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Speaker 1: himself in playing professionally wheelchair basketball, earning a gold medal

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Speaker 1: as the leader of the US Olympic team at the Paralympics.

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Speaker 1: And he's now a politician, not the blazing a trail

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Speaker 1: that frankly is actually not a first time trail when

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Speaker 1: it comes to that people. Certainly we've had our share

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Speaker 1: of athletes go into politics. Josh is from the western

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Speaker 1: part of the state. It's the state I'm the least

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Speaker 1: familiar with council bluffs. He will correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: which also means he's sort of in that weird no

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Speaker 1: man's land. How much Iowan, how much Nebraskan, which I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give my hard time about with that, let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your campaign and who you are.

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Speaker 1: Josh Turk, It's nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chuck, thanks for having me. First. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to correct you on I'm not an Olympian. I'm a Paralympian.

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Speaker 2: I'm a four time Paralympian, time gold medalist, the Summer.

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Speaker 1: Olympian, I mean, it's part of the Olympics, isn't it

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Speaker 1: all the you know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, the Summer Olympics is the largest sporting

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Speaker 2: event on Earth in terms of total athletes and total countries,

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Speaker 2: and the Summer Paralympics, which immediately follows the Olympics, is

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Speaker 2: the second largest sporting event on Earth. And I'm a

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Speaker 2: very proud Paralympian and two time gold medalist. And then

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Speaker 2: the other correction is, you're right I am. I am

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Speaker 2: a politician, but I really would define myself as a

649
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: as a representative. A politician can be a bit of

650
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: a pejorative, no, and I get that.

651
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean just like journalists can be a bit of

652
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: a pejorative these days, right, you know, or a member

653
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: of the media, Uh, if you will, But let me

654
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: start with Eric, you know, if let's let's start with

655
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: your life as a professional athlete. You know, you're born

656
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: with spina bifida. You didn't probably think as a kid

657
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: you were going to be a professional athlete. Walk me

658
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: through that.

659
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. I was born and raised in Council BLUs, Iowa.

660
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: Council Bluss is a very working class community. Sixty five

661
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: percent of my community lives at or below the poverty line.

662
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: I grew up to a large family, three sisters, one brother,

663
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: and we grew up with a lot of economic struggle.

664
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: We went to the Goodwill for our clothes, We shared clothes,

665
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: went to the free summer lunch programs. There were times

666
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: where my mom put our grocery bill on the credit card.

667
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: So certainly somebody is familiar with a lot of economic

668
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: struggle of what a lot of people are going through

669
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: right now, both in Iowa and around the country. And

670
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: then I was was born with my condition. I was

671
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: born with a condition called spina bifida. This was due

672
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: to my father's exposure to agent orange and Vietnam. I

673
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: had my first see do you.

674
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: Directly is that's a direct fact that this is been

675
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: directly Yeah.

676
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: Actually, responsible, it's one of it's one of the few

677
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: times where the government has had to admit culpability when

678
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: when I was younger, we were part of the lawsuit

679
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: and did the DNA testing. And yet because of that,

680
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: actually receive my health care that is related to my

681
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: spina bifida.

682
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: Through the VA and so yes, and that's for lively, right,

683
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: that's for life. You're on Tricare for life because of that.

684
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: That is correct anything that is directly related to my

685
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: to my spina bifida. So in my spina bifida, I

686
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: had my first surgery at one day old. I had

687
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: twenty one surgeries before I was twelve, almost all of

688
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: which took place at Shriner's Hospital because it was the

689
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: only way that my family could afford to do it.

690
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: So I'm certainly somebody in a deeply personal way, I

691
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: understand the importance of affordable and accessible health care for individuals.

692
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: Thankfully for me, I found wheelchair basketball at a young age.

693
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: I went to an adapted sports program in Omaha, Nebraska,

694
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: and it exposed me to all kinds of adapt to sports.

695
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: And I come from a big sports family. Actually, both

696
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: my mother and sister were basketball players and went on

697
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: to play professional basketball. And really that was what I

698
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: was struggling. Legitimately, I was somebody that was bullied so bad.

699
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to go through life well as a

700
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: kid with economic struggle, but then you had a healthcare

701
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: struggle and it was difficult for me and was bullied

702
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: so bad. I actually I left public school for a bit,

703
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: but it provided me. It provided me really social setting

704
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: and everything that I needed to be able to be successful.

705
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Because of wheelchair basketball, I was ultimately able to get

706
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: a college scholarship along with the help of vocational rehabilitation.

707
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: Had it not been for wheelchair basketball, I don't think

708
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: I would have even gone on to college. And I

709
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: had a very successful collegiate career in wheelchair basketball. Scored

710
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: over four thousand career points and sixty three points in

711
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: a game, which are still records at my school. And

712
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: then I had the opportunity to do something that I

713
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: didn't even know existed, which was professional wheel basketball, which

714
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: doesn't exist in America, only exist over in Europe. Spent

715
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: some time over there. Where did you live in Europe?

716
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: Coort where the various Where was your franchise?

717
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: Where was I was able to play in Outside of Milan, Italy?

718
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: I played in the South of France, which was an

719
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: amazing opportunity, and then played in Madrid, Spain, and in Bilbaospang.

720
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Those were the places let me played.

721
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, and maybe you've I don't know

722
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: if you've thought about this, but why has Europe been

723
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: on the forefront of why why don't we have this

724
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: in America? And if you think about it, the first

725
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: women's professional basketball leagues were all in Europe. Weren't here?

726
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: Have you?

727
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm just curious why it's to me too bad that

728
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: you had to leave America to go pursue this stream.

729
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: Why do you think we don't value it here?

730
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: I think that our sports can be very masculinely driven,

731
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: and I think the European ideal for sports is more

732
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: open to the idea of female sports and to to

733
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: adapt to sports in a way that that for whatever reason,

734
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: you know, the American paradigm on sports is just dramatically different.

735
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: It is it's it's it's much more inclusive in that sense.

736
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: In America, it was a struggle for us just to

737
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: be able to get a handful of individuals just to

738
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: come in and watch us, if you're like family and friends.

739
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: And yet when we're over and we're able to get

740
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: in front of thousands and thousands of folks.

741
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: So it's a it's just a different culture.

742
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a totally totally different sports culture.

743
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: And it was an amazing opportunity to be able to

744
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: to live in experience, especially as a poor kid from

745
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: from Iowa that had gotten his bachelor's degree in history.

746
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: It was an amazing opportunity to be able to see

747
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: these places I had only been able to read about

748
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: in history books. And to be able to you learn

749
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: so much about yourself and about others and societies and

750
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: social safety, and that's when you're when you're living overseas,

751
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was it was an amazing opportunity for me.

752
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: How's your talient a death SA, Probably it's better than mine,

753
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: So don't worry whatever you say.

754
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: My Spanish, My Spanish is good. My wife is Dominican

755
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: by birth and Spanish by passport and met her when

756
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: I was playing out in Madrid, and so certainly that

757
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: one is pretty.

758
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: Much a little bit better than Italian. Right now, what

759
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: you learned one more man's language, though you should be

760
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: able to understand all the other thing. So to turn

761
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: to politics, if you weren't a politic just before.

762
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: The one thing I want to I want to cover

763
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: on this is we didn't get to it. I did

764
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 2: end up the highlight of my basketball career was being

765
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: a four time Paralympian and two times yeah goal something

766
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: gold medals, yeah correct, and especially we're a basketball nation,

767
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: but we had gone twenty eight years without winning gold

768
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: and so we went from nineteen eighty eight all the

769
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: way until twenty sixteen without winning a gold medal. So

770
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: some I'm really really proud of. That was the way

771
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: I ended my career was with winning back to back

772
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: gold medals.

773
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: So that was the end of my basketball career before

774
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: we jumped to you, actually your next it is you

775
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: had such success in that phase of your life, how

776
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: hard was it to walk away?

777
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: Not hard at all. Actually, for me, from the very beginning,

778
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: the goal was just to be able to represent my

779
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: country in one Paralympics and to maybe have the opportunity

780
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: to win one gold medal was always the goal for me.

781
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: So the fact that I was able to represent in

782
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: four Paralympic Games and win two gold medals, ultimately Father

783
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: Time is undefeated too. By the time I got to

784
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: my last Paralympics. I mean right that the athlete is Unfortunately,

785
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: we have to die to death and we spend tens

786
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: of thousands of hours at trying to become great and

787
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: become an expert in a field and then it gets

788
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: taken away from you. But by the time that I

789
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: got to that last Paralympics, which was in Tokyo twenty twenty,

790
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: which ended up being twenty twenty one because of COVID,

791
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: I knew that that was going to be the last

792
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: basketball game that I ever was going to play. And

793
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: I was really really clear too that I wanted to

794
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: have as successful of a part B of my life

795
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: as my part A was, and my part A was

796
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: pretty successful. So it was beautiful actually because in Tokyo,

797
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: I knew that was going to be the last games

798
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: I ever was going to play, so I was able

799
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: to smell the roses a little bit and appreciate it

800
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: being the.

801
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: How did what was it like to watch to be

802
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: a spectator in twenty twenty four?

803
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: It's one of the only times actually that I missed it, truthfully,

804
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: But you know, and because because there's so many of

805
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: those guys that are still on that team that I'm

806
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: very very close with you develop a genuine brotherhood with

807
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: these guys that you go through so much struggle with.

808
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: But it was beautiful to be able to see them

809
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: they actually won. It was the we became the first

810
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: team to ever win three gold medals in a row.

811
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: So I was it was amazing to be able to

812
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: watch them and support them as I was going through

813
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: it was it was nice. Actually it was kind of

814
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: cathartic for me and watch a little bit of their

815
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: games as I after I was going out knocking doors

816
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: and crawling stairs trying to win my reelection.

817
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Right, So tell me about the decision to go into politics.

818
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: Was there other fields that you were contemplating and you

819
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: know why what drew you to the political space?

820
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, two things. One is I've been a director

821
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: of a nonprofit organization for ten years and what we

822
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: do is we provide free summer camps to disabled kids

823
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: and adapted sports opportunity. Just to be a role model

824
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: to that community and to be able to give back.

825
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: When I finished with my basketball career as well, I

826
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: got certified and what's called an assistive Technology professional, So

827
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: I was federally certified to be able to assist to

828
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: assess and provide mobility devices manual wheelchairs and power wheelchairs

829
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: for individuals with disabilities. And I was working with children,

830
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: I was working with newly injured individuals. But where I

831
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: was really spending the vast majority of my time where

832
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: with individuals with progressive conditions, conditions like muscular dystrophe and

833
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: lou Garry's disease. And what we were showing was every

834
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: single day we were dealing with unnecessary denials and delays.

835
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: And what we were showing internally is since Iowa in

836
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: the Nebraska had privatized their Medicaid system, a one thousand

837
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: percent increase in denial rate. I thought that this was

838
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 2: fundamentally wrong and immoral and that somebody should do something.

839
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally maximizing profits off the backs of

840
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable. I mean, in the case of als,

841
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: oftentimes it's eighteen months or even shorter from assessment. All

842
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: the way, these people don't have time for denials and delays.

843
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: And then I had found out that Iowa had never

844
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: had a permanently disabled member of the legislature, even though

845
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: we're a state of one hundred and fifty years in

846
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: a governing body of one hundred and fifty members. We've

847
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: got one in five islands to either blind, death, intellectually disabled,

848
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: or physically disabled. And I thought to myself, this is

849
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: probably why we're seeing these barriers to healthcare and to

850
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: employment is because of the complete and total lack of representation.

851
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: And although I was out in very red western Iowa

852
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: and they said, Josh, you can't win as a Democrat

853
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: out here, I said, I'm going to do this the

854
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: same way that I've done with my basketball career, try

855
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: to win gold medals. I'm going to go out and

856
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to outwork my opponent every single day. And

857
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: that's what I did. For me. That meant going out

858
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: every day Raynor shine hot or cold, and dragging my

859
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: wheelchair upstairs to have conversations with Republicans and independence because

860
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: it didn't work any other way.

861
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting for you to say that about

862
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: Iowa because given that Tom Harkin, the former Senator, and

863
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: Bob Dole were basically the godfathers of the eighty A Act.

864
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Speaker 1: And in fact, I mean, look, when I was growing

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Speaker 1: up there, it weren't very many ramps. You know. I

866
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Speaker 1: had an elderly grandmother who we were constantly lifting a

867
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Speaker 1: chair and all this stuff. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: people realize as and we are a long way away

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Speaker 1: from everything being accessible for somebody who needs to use

870
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Speaker 1: a wheelchair these days. But to think where we were

871
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Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties compared to where we are today,

872
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Speaker 1: it's because of an Iowa senator and a Kansas Senator

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Speaker 1: from each side of the aisle. And there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of momentum for that. And it does feel as

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Speaker 1: if even the eighties that the ADYA feels like something

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Speaker 1: that hasn't that sort of hit a wall a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I imagine you have a lot of opinions about the ADA Act.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're certainly correct. I mean a handful of things there.

879
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: One is you know, he's a good friend of mine now,

880
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: but he really is my political hero is Senator Tom Harkin.

881
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: And this, in truth is one of the reasons why

882
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing this, is this is his seat that is

883
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: up now after twelve years, you know, thirty years he

884
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: was our Iowa senator and now it's been held by

885
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: a Republican for the last twelve years. And myself, in

886
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: so many disabled iolands, so many disabled Americans, I'm only

887
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: here all the opportunities that I've been given for occupationally

888
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: or educationally is only because of the work that Senator

889
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Speaker 2: Harken and you know, Congressman Tony Coeo and as you said,

890
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Speaker 2: Bob Dole ended up doing on the American with Disabilities Act.

891
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: They literally provided me, in so many disabled Americans in

892
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Speaker 2: on ramp onto society to be able to be successful.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why I'm doing this is because

894
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Speaker 2: here in Iowa, we deserve to once again have a

895
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: senator that is going to fight for the people and

896
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Speaker 2: fight for the middle class, and fight for social and

897
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Speaker 2: economic justice, and fight for these social safety nets that

898
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Speaker 2: have allowed me to be successful in my life Medicare, Medicaid,

899
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Speaker 2: social Security, and not just look out for billionaires in

900
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: large corporations. It really is, I'm only here because of

901
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: Senator Harkin, and I want to be able to continue

902
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: his legacy and champion and carrying that flag and fighting

903
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Speaker 2: for the people and fighting for healthcare.

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Speaker 1: It's possible that our friend Tony Koelo might even be

905
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: listening right now. He's somebody that I've known a long

906
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Speaker 1: time in politics and very I mean, look, this is

907
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: the passion was ultimately one of the most passionate things

908
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: he worked on. I know that, and he's very sensitive.

909
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I would get grief from him if he

910
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: ever thought I wasn't giving somebody, you know, if I

911
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: wasn't giving a benefit of doubt due to some sort

912
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Speaker 1: of physical issue, you know, whether was somebody with a

913
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Speaker 1: with a verbal issue or something with their physical traits.

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Speaker 2: And uh, he's.

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Speaker 1: A I consider him a longtime friend, and I imagine you.

916
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Speaker 2: He's he's filled with advice.

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Speaker 1: I bet in your campaign.

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Speaker 2: He absolutely is. And I've been I've been grateful to

919
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: to be able to have now a friendship with with

920
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: both Congressmen Coeo and and and Senator Harkin. And this

921
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Speaker 2: is this is this is certainly one of the reasons

922
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Speaker 2: why I'm doing this is to continue on that legacy.

923
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Speaker 2: One of the things that Senator Harkin talks about is

924
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Speaker 2: one of the beauties of the American with Disabilities Act

925
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Speaker 2: is that not one Nickel actually went to an individual

926
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Speaker 2: with a disability. Is all it was doing was just

927
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Speaker 2: evening the playing field. It was just providing an equality

928
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Speaker 2: of opportunity, uh to individuals. And and that's what certainly,

929
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Speaker 2: that's what what we're fighting for.

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Speaker 1: It was equal access not equal outcomes, equal access. That's right,

931
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Speaker 1: that's correct, you know, which seems to be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is you know, it's it's one thing you know

933
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Speaker 1: in those that physically have things that they have to overcome,

934
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Speaker 1: but then there are you know, this is the same

935
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Speaker 1: conversation we're trying to have about immigration, you know, the

936
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Speaker 1: same conversation we're trying to have about any body that's

937
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: trying to live a free life, right and wants to

938
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Speaker 1: have equal opportunity, equal access, not necessarily equal outcome. Can

939
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: you what do you think is the hardest part of convincing,

940
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Speaker 1: because I do think when you explain to anybody left

941
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Speaker 1: or right that it's about equal access, not equal outcome.

942
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: Nobody's against equal access, you know, it's the equal outcome

943
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: conversation that becomes the debate about all these Yeah.

944
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The way that I would say that is when

945
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: I'm out there. I represent the redditest district that is

946
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Speaker 2: represented by a Democrat that was won on election day,

947
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Speaker 2: so Trump won my county by twenty points. I represent

948
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: two communities in the Iowa legislature, Carter Lake, which Trump

949
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: won by eighteen points, and my hometown of Council Blufs,

950
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: which he won by ten points, and I was able

951
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: to win by nearly six points, you know, about fifty

952
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: percent better than any other Democratic Do you think it's

953
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: the Trump voter, The Turrek Trump voter is someone that

954
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: Here's what I would say is that the one thing

955
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 2: I'll give credit to Trump for is that he accurately

956
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: addressed that the status quo was not working for the

957
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: average American and is seeing a hollowing out of the

958
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: middle class. And the Turrek Trump voter is maybe what

959
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: they would be a common sense voter to some degree

960
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: that felt like the Democratic Party had shifted away too

961
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: much focusing on culture war issues, or didn't feel like

962
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Speaker 2: it was looking out enough for the middle class or

963
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: the average American. And whereas for me, I'm a common

964
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: sense prairie populace, much like Senator Harkin. And when I'm

965
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: out there, what I'm talking about are the kitchen table issues.

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Speaker 2: It's the way that and I was very disciplined about that,

967
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 2: both not only in my legislative races, but in the

968
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Speaker 2: Senate race of talking about that. This what matters the

969
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: most is the kitchen table issues. It's about affordability, it's

970
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: about driving down cost a livable wage, it's about affordable housing,

971
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 2: it's about affordable healthcare, pharmaceuticals. We have some very specific

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00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: issues to Iowa too that I would talk about. We

973
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: were number one in public education and now we've precipitously

974
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 2: dropped to the middle of the pack. So I would

975
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: talk about public dollars belonging to public schools, talk about

976
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: doing something about our cancer rates. In Iowa were the

977
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: only state with the growing cancer rate, second highest rates

978
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: to only Kentucky. And I would talk about the need

979
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: for clean air and clean water because that's something certainly

980
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: something that touches everyone, regardless of where you sit on

981
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: the political spectrum, doesn't matter Democrat or Republican. And those

982
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: are the things that I talked about. And I think

983
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: that there were some voters in there, certainly because a

984
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: fourteen percent performance that that resonated with. But I think

985
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: that the way that we can want once again when

986
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: elections in state like Iowa is through genuine economic populism,

987
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: what I call prairie populism.

988
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: So I've had some interesting conversations with a couple of

989
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 1: with the South Dakota former South Dakota Democrat is running

990
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: for the US Senate now is an independent. I had

991
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: Rob sand on this podcast a few months ago and

992
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: he said something, I said, why are you running? You know,

993
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: he talked about the problems of the Democratic brand, and

994
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: I'd say, so, why are you running as a Democrat?

995
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: And he said, well, if there was another way, maybe

996
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: I would run as an independent, but this is the

997
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: most viable way to get on the ballot. The South

998
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: Dakota Independent made the case. He said, the reason he's

999
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: running as an independent teat of a Democrat is that

1000
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: there are some people that won't listen to his pitch

1001
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: if they find out he is a D next to

1002
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: his name. And the minute he doesn't have a D

1003
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: next to his name, he's suddenly having these conversations with

1004
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of voters going yeah, I agree with you, Yes,

1005
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you.

1006
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1007
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: Does the D next to your name? What happens when

1008
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: somebody says, hey, I like what you're saying, but why

1009
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: do you have a D next to your name? What's

1010
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: your answer to that?

1011
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm really really clear of why I

1012
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: have a D next to my name. I'm always reminded

1013
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: of the quote from John F. Kennedy when he said

1014
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: you know, why are you a liberal? Why are you

1015
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: a Democrat? And it's because I believe in looking forward,

1016
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: not backwards. That I believe in and I care about

1017
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: people's jobs, about people's healthcare, about people's schools. This is why,

1018
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: ultimately I'm a Intagrammer. I say that I have two

1019
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: north stars politically. The first is a quote from Franklin

1020
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: delan and Roosevelt, which I think is the greatest president

1021
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: of the twentieth century and also the only disabled president

1022
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: that we've ever had, and he said that the test

1023
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: of our progress of a society is not whether we

1024
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: add more to those with abundance, but whether we have

1025
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: enough to those with the least. And then the other

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: would be Matthew twenty five forty, which is, you know,

1027
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: as Jesus said, what you do to the least among you,

1028
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: that you also so do to me, And that, to

1029
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: me is the essence of what a democrat is. Is

1030
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: that we care about people's schools and jobs, in livelihoods

1031
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: and healthcare. And that is really really clear of why

1032
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: I'm a Democrat. I don't think necessarily that Iowa is

1033
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: like these other states and that you get out of

1034
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: the urban communities and the term democrat or democratic is

1035
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: a pejorative. I think we have a very, very long

1036
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: history of being a progressive state. Third state to legalize

1037
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: gay marriage.

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Speaker 1: I say, I have a friend of mine that refers

1039
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: to Iowa as the organ of the Midwest. We used

1040
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: to do that about ten years ago. A little less

1041
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: so lately, given that it has been a little less purple,

1042
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: although I still think Iowa just was uniquely open to

1043
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Trump at a period of time when this economy was

1044
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: just transitioning. I suspect Iowa was going to go back

1045
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: to its swing swinginess pretty soon.

1046
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean, we could certainly get into one of the

1047
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: reasons why Iowa has shifted more than almost any other

1048
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: state over the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: And there's no state with more Obama to Trump counties,

1050
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: no state. They're all at eastern Iowa. It's fascinating.

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01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: You are absolutely correct. But here here's what I've said.

1052
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: I've said that Iowa is a common sense state that

1053
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: has masqueraded as a red state. And for you know,

1054
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: you have to remember that for thirty years we had

1055
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: we voted for Senator Harken, and that he ended in

1056
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. That's not that long ago, but even more recently,

1057
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: in Trump's first midterm twenty eighteen, we won three of

1058
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: the four congressional seats, and we were only three points

1059
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: away from winning every single one of the congressional races.

1060
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: And I actually feel even more energy and excitement right

1061
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: now for chance, particularly in the rural communities which they

1062
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: have just been absolutely decimated and betrayed by the tariffs

1063
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: and where the commodities prices are. You go to even

1064
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: more recent history twenty twenty two, we were only one

1065
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: point five percent away from having three of our sixth

1066
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: state wide officials being Democrats. That means the average Iowa

1067
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: voter went in there in twenty twenty two and voted

1068
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: for three Democrats and three Republicans. We are not a

1069
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: red state. We're a common sense state that has masqueraded

1070
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: more red than what we actually are. And because everything

1071
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: has perfectly aligned and we needed about ten things to happen,

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: but the fact that we've got, for the first time

1073
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: since nineteen sixty eight, an open Senate race and an

1074
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: open governor's race and two open congressional races, I really

1075
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: do believe that Iowa was the center of the political

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: universe in twenty twenty six and you were going to

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: see the state shift.

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Speaker 1: I've had some say to me, let me curious what

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Speaker 1: you think of this, And I'm probably playing to the

1080
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: crowds on this one, which is the Iowa Democratic Party

1081
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: got a little too Deminish and not enough everywhere else

1082
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: that it was almost too concentrated in Des Moines. Do

1083
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: you accept that premise. Do you think that was part

1084
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: of the problem over the last decade.

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01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the not not only in Iowa,

1086
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: but I think nationally, I think the the party has

1087
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: has lost touch with the plights of real Americans or

1088
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 2: the middle class or just the average worker.

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: We're all real America the way. I always get a

1090
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: little sensitive to that in fairness, urban Americans in rural America.

1091
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: But I think what you're trying to say, and what

1092
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: I would say when I would say this, and I

1093
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: got and I'd fall into the same trap so I

1094
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: didn't mean to which is it's really rural America that

1095
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: Democrats just stopped showing up in and it's showing up.

1096
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: This is why they've been alienated from rural America. It's

1097
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: not that they're like, if you'd show up, they'd have

1098
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: no problem, But this is where I think micro targeting

1099
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: and the quote efficiency of use of dollars. Well, there's

1100
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: more Democrats in the urban area. You got to get

1101
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: out the got to get out the base vote. And

1102
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, but if you shave three points in

1103
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: rural America, then you have a better shot at urban America,

1104
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: putting you over the finish line.

1105
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that has certainly been a miscalculation. First,

1106
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: I would say two things. I would say, you know,

1107
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: having done this and winning in very, very red areas,

1108
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: I say that the right candidate, with the right message

1109
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: and the right work ethic, you can win in these

1110
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: red environments because I've got the electoral experience that I've

1111
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: I've done it, and the quality of candidacy can't be understated.

1112
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: On that. I would also say that part of the

1113
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: calculus is we do need candidates that are going to

1114
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: be willing to go out there and go into all

1115
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine counties and go into all these small communities.

1116
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: I think for far too long here in Iowa, over

1117
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: the last ten years, we've had candidates say, well, we're

1118
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: going to maximize turnout in Polk County and Johnson County

1119
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: and Lynn County and that's how we're going to win.

1120
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: But ultimately, we're a rule state, and it may not

1121
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: make a fundamental difference in the outcomes in the statehouse races,

1122
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: but we've got to trim the margins, and we've got

1123
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: to get out there, and we've got to talk to

1124
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: Republicans in these and independence in these rural communities and

1125
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: explain why we're different. But we certainly can do that.

1126
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we have the opportunity in the messaging. I've

1127
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: been able to prove it.

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Speaker 1: You've you've already sort of touched on this issue that

1129
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: I sort of discovered in twenty gosh, I think it

1130
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: was it was I did a hole. I think it

1131
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. We went

1132
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: out to eastern Iowa to talk about sort of what

1133
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: happened to you know, where did all the Democrats go

1134
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: in eastern Iowa? And I was in Decora and in

1135
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: some of these towns, and most of what we heard

1136
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: was simply, you know, the only Democrat that showed up

1137
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty was Pete Booda Dite. You know, nobody

1138
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: else did. And you're like, well, no, wonder he overperformed, right,

1139
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, now there was sort of a comfort level

1140
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: for him. He was already a Midwesterner, so there was this,

1141
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, and he was sort of a fish out

1142
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: of water in South Bend. And when you start out

1143
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: as thinking of yourself as a fish out of water,

1144
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: you sometimes overwork, right, And so he went to all

1145
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: these places. But the other thing I discovered was there

1146
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of bullishness that well, Democrats are going

1147
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: to be able to make a come back because of

1148
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: what was happening in the schools. And it comes to

1149
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: the sort of the choicification I guess of public schools

1150
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: all over the country. Iowa was sort of following a

1151
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: blueprint that Florida has in some of these other states

1152
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: in the South. And the problem that I think Texas

1153
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: Republicans are running into Iowa Republicans are running into is

1154
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: school choice sounds great, But when you live where the

1155
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: closest school is thirty is within, the next closes school

1156
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: is thirty miles away, what choice do you have? And

1157
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: so suddenly you're not fixing my school, but you've given

1158
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: me choice to go find an alternative thirty miles away,

1159
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: or I have to homeschool my kids. Walk me through

1160
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: the choicification of the Iowa public school system right now

1161
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: and how it did work and how it's working.

1162
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: At the moment. Yeah, this is certainly was a point

1163
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: of personal pride for all Iowans. We were number one

1164
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: in education.

1165
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: Always Massachusetts, in the East, Iowa and the Midwest, and

1166
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: I think it would be like get out. Those were

1167
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: always the three big, you know, great states for public schools.

1168
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: And this is why people were moving here. Our test

1169
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: scores were the highest in the nation, and we prioritize that.

1170
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: Even when we put out our state quarter, it was

1171
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: it was about the quality of our education. And now,

1172
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 2: unfortunately we have seen a precipitous drop and now we're

1173
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: down to the middle of the pack on this issue.

1174
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: Depending on the metric you're using, twenty six or even

1175
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: thirty two, what's the drop.

1176
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: We spend it on testing, It's on testing and all

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: across the board.

1178
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, test testing scores predominantly is where you're seeing it.

1179
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: But one of the reasons is because we're no longer

1180
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: prioritizing this or funding this. We now spend twelve hundred

1181
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: dollars less than the national average per pupil here in

1182
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: Iowa and in the Iowa legislature. Unfortunately now with what

1183
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: we've seen with vouchers. Last year, we gave our public

1184
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: schools a two percent increase and we gave our private

1185
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: schools a forty four percent increase in funding. And in

1186
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: what you're seeing is you're seeing rules schools that are

1187
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: legitimately struggling and closing. And it I mean, it's, it's, it's,

1188
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: it's it's very very serious. When these rural communities, you

1189
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: only have really four pillars of these rural communities, and

1190
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: that would be your rural pharmacies which are closing. And

1191
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: then you're seeing rural schools closing due to the lack

1192
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: of funding. And we're giving private schools and there are

1193
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: no private schools in these rural communities, no.

1194
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: And what you potentially do is you you you you

1195
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: almost incentivize some bad actors who try to open up

1196
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: sort of you know, essentially government funded private schooling where

1197
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: they get tax breaks and all this stuff. They grab

1198
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: the money and they don't give your kid a good

1199
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: education and there's nobody there to make sure they're following

1200
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: the rules. Or you get parents start homeschooling and it

1201
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: and that's hard, you know, I think many a parent

1202
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: wants to do that well and in a dream world

1203
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: in some ways somebody you know. But it's not as

1204
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: easy as you make it.

1205
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: Out to me.

1206
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: And I admire those that do it, but it's it

1207
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: ain't easy.

1208
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and there are so many rural communities now that

1209
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: are struggling with this. And and and even more egregiously

1210
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: is that we can't audit the schools and so there's

1211
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: there's no regulation on what they teach. There's no regulation

1212
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: in terms of it. It's your tax dollars being used there.

1213
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: You go your your your tax dollars. And yet then

1214
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: there's there's no standard on testing. They can spend the

1215
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: money how they want. They can spend it on pupils,

1216
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: they can spend it on football equipment if they want.

1217
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 2: And then most most egregiously for me is there's no

1218
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: discrimination policies in place. And so if a kid needs

1219
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 2: an IEP, or he has a visible disability or whatever

1220
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: his situation is, the private schools can say no, sorry,

1221
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: we can't take you, which just puts that onus more

1222
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: on the public schools which are having less and less funding.

1223
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: Right and department. This is one thing people always ask,

1224
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: what does the national Department of Education do help public

1225
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: schools the funding so that they can provide services to

1226
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: students who may need some extra help in order.

1227
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: To get particularly with those with disabilities and special education.

1228
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: It's always been a foundational support. So you get rid

1229
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: of this, and where's this going to go? I mean,

1230
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: I hate to be politically cynical about this, but I

1231
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: think this has opened the door to having a different

1232
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: conversation in rural America than Democrats have been having over

1233
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: the last decade.

1234
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean this is this is just kind

1235
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: of unfortunately a perfect storm in these rural communities where

1236
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 2: you're just you're you're seeing young people not stick around.

1237
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: As I was saying before, you've got four pillars in

1238
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 2: these rural communities.

1239
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: You've got the rural pharmacy. That's an interesting issue, you're right,

1240
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: I mean.

1241
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: Rural pharmacies. They're being hurt by the by the PBMs.

1242
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: And then you've got your public your your schools which

1243
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: are closing because of the lack of funding, and we're

1244
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 2: putting the funding towards the private schools, which you're only

1245
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: in the urban areas. And then you've got rural hospitals

1246
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 2: and in a place like Iowa, You've got two and

1247
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 2: five eldes in the rural communities that are on Medicaid.

1248
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: In the last five years, we have close thirty one

1249
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 2: nursing homes skilled nursing facilities in rural hospitals due to

1250
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: lack of reimbursement and lack of funding. It is really

1251
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: hurting these these communities. Then you exasperate that with what

1252
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: we're seeing on the tariffs and the commodities prices, where

1253
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: these you know, we're losing our family farms and you're

1254
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: seeing farm suicides and foreclosure rates that are going up.

1255
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we really is moving us into almost a

1256
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: a second farm crisis of what we saw in the

1257
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. Unfortunately, where are you on.

1258
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,520
Speaker 1: Tariffs because I think that you know, in Iowa famously,

1259
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, ag tariffs were you'd be in

1260
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: one some some politicians would be on one side of

1261
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: the aisle for against all tariffs on AG because that

1262
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: was such a huge export. But then on manufacturing you'd

1263
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: have you know, particularly a Tom Harkett might be for

1264
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: some of these tariffs.

1265
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it's on.

1266
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: Washing machines or dishwashers because those things used to be made.

1267
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: You know, there was a.

1268
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: Time that certain towns were known not by their name

1269
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: but by the plant. Right, Oh, it's a make tag town, right,

1270
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: you know you'd have that, or oh it's a popcorn town,

1271
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: or it's a popcorn popping plant. And where are you?

1272
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: You know, do you think all tariffs are bad? When

1273
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: are there tariffs that are out there that you support?

1274
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: Where do you put yourself on the issue.

1275
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: No, I would tend to agree with you. I mean,

1276
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: certainly not all tariffs are bad. I think you can

1277
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: make the argument that at least in the manufacturing sector,

1278
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: to have some level of parody or competition, they can

1279
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: be valuable. But certainly, what we're seeing right now with

1280
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: this chaotic terriffs where you know, you're seeing shifts from

1281
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: from day to day, and you know, one day it's

1282
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: one hundred percent tariffs, and they have really really hurt

1283
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: the gag communities, and that's being doubled down where Trump's

1284
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: giving forty billion dollars to Argentina to bail them out

1285
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: so that the Chinese can buy their soybeans. Meanwhile our

1286
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: farmers are left there to hold the bag and they're

1287
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 2: upside down on their soybeans. It really, really is hurting

1288
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: our eg communities. And I think that when I'm out

1289
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Speaker 2: there and I've been out to a lot of farms,

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Speaker 2: we're hearing farmers that are really, really concerned that we've

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Speaker 2: already lost a majority of our family farms and what

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Speaker 2: few remain out there. Yeah, suicide rates are three times

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Speaker 2: higher than what they were over the last two years.

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01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: Foreclosure rates are double what they were last year. It's

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Speaker 2: moving us towards the farm crisis, and this has been

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Speaker 2: a self inflicted womb due to this chaotic nature of

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Speaker 2: the terraffs. I believe that tariffs should be as the

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Speaker 2: founders of the Constitution intended, with the power of the

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Speaker 2: legislature and much like the power of the purse.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that frustrates longtime Iolands is

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: the idea it's a shrinking population state, right that I

1302
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: remember when you know that there have been multiple governors

1303
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: who said, you know, my goal is to you know,

1304
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm during the heyday of the public school system. Hey,

1305
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: we're educating all these kids and they're leaving. You know,

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: they're they're leaving the state. They're not staying. What's the

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: what's your plan to get more folks to want to

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01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: stay in Iowa. What's the job what's the job market

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: look like the next thirty years in Iowa? And and

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Speaker 1: what is what should Iowa be an investing in to

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01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: make it to make it such a because it's always

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Speaker 1: been seen as a pretty livable right, it's a it's

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01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: a very livable place to moin in particular. So you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a small city, but what city life,

1315
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: the Moin's about as affordable place as you can.

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Speaker 2: Live in the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: But what's the next what are the next thirty years

1318
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: of jobs look like in Iowa? Because I do think

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: Iowa's are nervous about the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they certainly are. Unfortunately, we're the only state

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: in the last one hundred years and hasn't doubled in

1322
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 2: population size, and even for the for the young people

1323
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 2: that we have, oftentimes we're educating them and then they

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01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: go on. The first thing is we've we've we've got

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Speaker 2: to start going the right direction, particularly in rural communities.

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: As I said, uh, you know, we've we've got to

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01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: have the healthcare system in place. We're basically dead last

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 2: right now in Iowa for every single economic metric, I mean,

1329
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, we're already in a recession.

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: We've seen a six percent reduction in GDP. We're forty

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: ninth in terms of economic growth, forty eight out of

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: fifty in terms of individual purchasing in economic growth. By

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01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 2: every single healthcare metric, we're basically dead last. Rural hospitals, obgyns,

1334
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 2: mental health providers, mental health reimbursements. You have to have

1335
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 2: these systems in place to want for this to be

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01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: a livable situation as well, if you want people to

1337
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: move here to Iowa. So I agree, it's a beautiful

1338
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: statement all around the world. I love Iowa. It's great,

1339
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 2: Iowa nice, it's affordable even, you know, it's amazing place.

1340
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: But you've got to have these systems in place from

1341
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: education and healthcare, and also what we're seeing with some

1342
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: of these social issues where we've moved to a six

1343
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: weeks abortion ban and in some of these culture war

1344
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: issues where we've we've just not made this state very

1345
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: welcoming to to a lot of individuals. And you know,

1346
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: it's interesting with what we're doing on immigration as well,

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: it's made it made it less welcoming to to immigrant communities.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting with with Iowa and how it's

1349
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: gotten the sideways and cultural issues is that, you know,

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,480
Speaker 1: my father grew up the you know, the Midwest Methodist,

1351
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: which means, you know, I always joke Methodists are you know,

1352
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: people who are Christians but don't want to talk about it,

1353
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, but but you know, meaning like you know,

1354
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: your your faith is your faith. You don't wear it

1355
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: on your sleeve. What you wear on your sleeve is

1356
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: your values, right, It's it's you know, your values, is

1357
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: being good to your neighbor, empathy, things like that. And

1358
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: yet there's this perception that i was a very religious state.

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: And yet I did see something recently that compared to

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01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the Midwest, it is actually has the least.

1361
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: It's on a downward trajectory of people that go every

1362
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: week to some sort of religious service. What have you

1363
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: discovered out there campaigning statewide?

1364
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, most states are on a downward trajectory in

1365
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 2: terms of that. But I still think that Iowa is

1366
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 2: a religious state. I think the most recent numbers I've

1367
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: seen was sixty five percent of Violins still a tend

1368
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: church on a regular basis or would define themselves as

1369
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: Christian or members of religious organization, and certainly that's something

1370
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 2: that I'm going to incorporate in this campaign. I'm somebody

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01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: that has born and raised and proudly spiritual and would

1372
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: defined myself as a Christian in the true sense of

1373
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: the word. And I'm going to go out there. There's

1374
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 2: three things that Republicans that have, as I feel like

1375
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: they've had a stranglehold on, that they're not going to

1376
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 2: be able to use against me. The first is hard work,

1377
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: because every single part of my story, from overcoming economic situations,

1378
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: the healthcare situations that I've gone through, also to win

1379
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: gold medals, but then even to win my election in

1380
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: a very very deeply read district, going out there every

1381
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: single day and dragging my wheelchair upstairs has been about

1382
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: hard work. The second is I think that Republicans have

1383
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: felt like they've been able to have a stranglehold on patriotism,

1384
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 2: and I'm someone that is deeply patriotic. I love Iowa,

1385
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 2: I love my country. I have proudly represented the United

1386
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: States in four Paralympic Games and won gold medals, and

1387
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 2: so I don't think they'll be able to use that.

1388
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: And the third is, as we were talking about with

1389
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: this is on spirituality or on religion. I feel like

1390
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 2: there has been this push that if you're a Democrat,

1391
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 2: you cannot be religious or spiritual, if you're Christian, you

1392
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: must have to be Republican. And I'm going to go

1393
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: out there and actively talk about Matthew twenty five forty

1394
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: and that the true message of Jesus is taking care

1395
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 2: of the most vulnerable in society and the poor and

1396
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: the elderly and the disabled. It's one of the main

1397
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: reasons why I am a Democrat.

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01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: Let me go through a few questions that you're look,

1399
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: you know that could get weaponized against you. Fair, unfair?

1400
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: The issue of trans sports and access, what what?

1401
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: What should that?

1402
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: What's fair to the trans community when it comes to

1403
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: access to organized sports, true school, college, et cetera. I mean,

1404
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: I say this and I feel like you actually have

1405
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,520
Speaker 1: in some ways of a better you know, you benefited

1406
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: from having access for for adaptive sports. So what's the

1407
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: right I don't know if there's a right answer. What

1408
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: do you think is the right way to think about

1409
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: this issue? I mean the first is I think we

1410
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: need to be empathetic on this issue. I mean, the

1411
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: children that are involved in this, they're they're really in

1412
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: a no win situation, is somebody that you know has

1413
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: gone through a lot of bullying and adversity in my life,

1414
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, being different with the disability. We need to

1415
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: recognize that, you know.

1416
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: Sports is a unique area of dedicated a lot of

1417
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: my life to this, and we certainly need fairness and

1418
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 2: involved in this. However, I would say that you know,

1419
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: I have personal experience with this. I actually I wanted

1420
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 2: to try out for my team in high school and

1421
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: play basketball, and yet there was an equipment rule that

1422
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: prevented me from being able to play. And yet it

1423
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: was not my congressman, or my mayor or my senator

1424
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: that was making the decision on this issue. It was

1425
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: the sports governing bodies. And so my position on this

1426
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,839
Speaker 2: is that this should be decided by the sports governing

1427
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: bodies and politicians shouldn't be involved in this conversation. Don't don't.

1428
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: I don't think my position is a United States centator

1429
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: I should be involved in this.

1430
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: That it should be Should a high school principal have

1431
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 1: to make.

1432
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: Sports governing bodies? I don't think it should be left

1433
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: up to local control. I think you leave it up

1434
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: to sports governing body.

1435
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: Socialism versus capitalism. You know, the the excitement that the

1436
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: progressives have about the victory of Zoon Mamdani. He's a

1437
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: self described democratic socialist. There's the every political party claims

1438
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: they're a big tent when they have people in there

1439
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: that that they that not everybody agrees, and I get that,

1440
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: But where are you on socialism versus capitalism? And I

1441
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: ask a plurality the most recent NBC News poll, It's

1442
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: a poll that I'm very familiar with, and I know

1443
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: it's really well done. Democrats were the only group that

1444
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 1: had a net positive rating on socialism and a net

1445
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: negative rating on capitalism. A why do you think that is?

1446
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: And where do you put yourself on that spectrum?

1447
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, I would define myself as a capitalist. I think

1448
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: capitalism is the greatest vehicle ever devised by man to

1449
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: be able to generate capital. However, it's very inefficient at

1450
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: being able to divide that that that capitalism, So I'm

1451
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: certainly not a las fair capitalist. I think that you know,

1452
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: you need a regulated capitalism and a progressive taxation rate.

1453
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, when something's been fascinating to me, again

1454
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: representing very red district, and you talk, I'm not talking

1455
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: most exclusive Republicans, they'll this whole entire MAGA movement make

1456
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: America great again. Well, what they're talking about with that

1457
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: is they're talking about America post World two, arguably at

1458
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: our zenith. And I'm sure i'm preaching the choir to

1459
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: you on this, but when you're talking about America post

1460
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: World two nineteen fifties, you're talking about the where we

1461
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: had the most amount of union membership and the strengths

1462
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 2: of our unions, and the unions built the middle class.

1463
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 2: But we also had the most progressive taxation rate. That

1464
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 2: was when the highest earners were paying a marginalized tax

1465
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: rate of ninety one percent, and during the Eisenhearer administration

1466
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 2: and the largest corporations were we're paying fifty one percent.

1467
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: And we've eroded that we are literally living through a

1468
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: second Gilded Age right now in this country. And it has,

1469
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: i mean all the way back to John Edwards when

1470
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: you talked about we're living in two Americas, the haves

1471
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: and the have nots, and it was a better head.

1472
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: That speech is funny when you think about that speech.

1473
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: He gave an four and oh eight constantly, and being

1474
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: in Iowa and right you heard it a million times.

1475
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: We all heard it. You know, we live in two Americas.

1476
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: We are now we are living in It's more I

1477
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: was just going to say the speech. Weirdly, it is

1478
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: more resident now than it was that.

1479
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 2: If you make over one hundred thousand dollars right now,

1480
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: I think you're feeling pretty good.

1481
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: And especially a little money in the stock market, you're like, hey,

1482
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: this is great, my savings is working for me. But

1483
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: what if you don't have savings?

1484
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: That's right, but you can't have a more disconnect. The

1485
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street can't be more clear.

1486
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 2: And it really is the haves and the have nots.

1487
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: And there's too many people right now in Iowa right

1488
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 2: now that are in the have nots section that are

1489
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: struggling just to keep food on the table and pay

1490
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:57,440
Speaker 2: their bills, and struggling with affordability of healthcare and pharmaceuticals

1491
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 2: and all of it. And this is what we need.

1492
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: We need to genuine prairie populist. And you know, we

1493
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: used to have prairie populous We no longer in the

1494
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: US have those because we don't have senators from Iowa

1495
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 2: in the Dakotas in Nebraska and We need somebody that's

1496
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 2: going to go out there and fight for the people.

1497
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: The issue of climate change is something that's really important

1498
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: to a certain subset. Look do I think it should

1499
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: be important to a large subset of hope, but politically

1500
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: it's important to a smaller subset these days. And I'm

1501
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: sure you're getting plenty of advice that says, hey, don't

1502
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: you know these issues, these are not these are not

1503
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: front and center. And yet I think rising electric bills,

1504
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: the data centers that are that are going to be

1505
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: going online, that are going to impact our ability to

1506
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: that are basically going to a competition for electricity, which

1507
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: is inevitably is going to raise rates. Is there is

1508
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,480
Speaker 1: there a way to be sort of to to mitigate

1509
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: the damage coming from extreme weather and at the same

1510
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: time not look like you're coming out against the economy.

1511
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 2: You get my drift. I think, like with most things,

1512
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 2: how I define myself as a common sense I mean, one, yeah,

1513
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: certainly climate change exists, and it's and it's happening in

1514
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: where you may see those effects most most directly is

1515
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 2: actually in the yag communities and where we're seeing.

1516
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: The southwest Iowa, the flooding. You know, one hundred year

1517
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: floods that come every couple of years.

1518
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's the flooding, it's the extreme heat.

1519
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: And then when you're seeing these rain showers which which

1520
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: are just coming down in torrents and knocking down the

1521
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: row crops, it is affecting us in a very very

1522
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 2: serious way. And also, Iowa, we have always been a

1523
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: leaders in renewable fuels, renewable energy. We have the second

1524
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: most amount of our energy grid that is from renewable energy,

1525
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: the most of the vast majority of that is through wind.

1526
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 2: And I think that there's a way where we can

1527
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: address this without uh without stifling growth or innovation or

1528
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 2: or the economy. And certain one of the best ways

1529
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 2: is certainly through that through through wind energy, and continuing

1530
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 2: those incentives and subsidies through the through the federal government,

1531
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: certainly at the state level.

1532
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Two, being a US senator means you're going to be

1533
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: dabbling more in foreign policy than the campaign itself will

1534
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: be about. And I imagine if a foreign policy issue

1535
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: comes up, it's going to be the issue of Israel.

1536
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: Where are you on US support for Israel?

1537
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, certainly, I'm hopeful that we're going to

1538
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: see a peaceful end too that I think we're all

1539
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 2: hopeful for that. What has happened there in Gaza has

1540
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,520
Speaker 2: been horrific. The amount of loss of life into civilians

1541
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: and to children, it really has been horrific. I think

1542
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: that Israel certainly had the right to defend itself, but

1543
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 2: I think that now the response is certainly, by any metric,

1544
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: been disproportionate. And I think that we need to make

1545
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: sure that any sort of support or arm cells comes

1546
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 2: with the insurance that we're adhering to international law.

1547
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: You put a little more, a few more guardrails on

1548
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: arm sales, yeah.

1549
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,799
Speaker 2: I particularly put particularly on offensive weapons.

1550
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: And as Ukraine our fight, what would you say to somebody,

1551
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: is that our fight? And if it is, why is

1552
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: it our fight? In your in your words, I think

1553
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: it's I think there's certainly a distinction there.

1554
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: I think that what's happened is they they have been

1555
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 2: invaded by but an authoritarian regime with with Putin, and

1556
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: I think that that is one of the examples where

1557
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 2: we should probably stand in in in and fight with

1558
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 2: them and uh, because that that is that is a

1559
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: distinction they have, that is a sovereign country that has

1560
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 2: been invaded by a foreign power, and and that is

1561
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:51,879
Speaker 2: that is an area where we should.

1562
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Support one that might be a little closer to home.

1563
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: College sports, it is gone through dramatic chain. Iowa was

1564
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: on the halves. I worry that Iowa State, where my

1565
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 1: grandparents both got degrees. By the way, are their cyclone

1566
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: alums they might be have nots because they're in one

1567
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: conference and I was in a super conference. There's always

1568
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: been this talk that Congress is going to have to

1569
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: get involved. Do you think they need to? And as

1570
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: somebody who's you know, look, you know, one side of

1571
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: the state loves their Hawkeys, the other side of state

1572
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: loves their Cyclones.

1573
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: But the fact is Iowa State.

1574
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: Is essentially getting punished because Texas left the Big twelve.

1575
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: Is there a role here for the Senate? And do

1576
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: you think there should be?

1577
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm I'm I'm torn. I maybe sports should be separate,

1578
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: But I do know the history of the NCAA. You know,

1579
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why that was created was just

1580
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: because of with football, we are seeing all all the

1581
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: violence in the you know, unfortunate even loss of life.

1582
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Early on, they were trying to ring Teddy Roosevelt. It

1583
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,879
Speaker 1: basically was created, you know, by Teddy Roosevelt.

1584
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: In order to say that that is exactly correct. I

1585
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: mean what we're seeing with the the nil I mean,

1586
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 2: this has just turned into the laws a fair there,

1587
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 2: and there's no regulation, and I think honestly that they

1588
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 2: missed an opportunity. You know, my brother and sister both

1589
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: played professional able body of basketball. My sister had a

1590
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: brief cup of coffee with the w NBA, and so

1591
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 2: they were They both were four year starters, my brother Nebraska,

1592
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: my sister at L. Robert University, and they honestly, they

1593
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: struggled just to have money, just to do their laundry.

1594
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 2: And we missed an opportunity there to find some happy

1595
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: medium where we could at least take care of our

1596
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: athletes or at least that they had some level of

1597
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: control over their name, image and likeness. But what we're

1598
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: seeing now, which is millions and millions of dollars dumping

1599
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 2: into this and no guardrails and no regulation, it may

1600
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 2: be a need for the Senate or for the government

1601
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 2: to get involved.

1602
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Do you get a sense that Iowa State basically partisans

1603
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: are nervous that that you know that suddenly you know,

1604
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: if i and Iowa State can't play every year because

1605
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: of the financial demands of the Big ten that want

1606
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: them playing in other games like that, that is something

1607
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: that's really good at tick Off Islands.

1608
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just it's it's it's interesting. It's almost I

1609
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: feel like our college sports has almost moved into what

1610
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 2: we're seeing with with our country and our economics, where

1611
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 2: we've got the handful, We've got a handful of these

1612
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: and with football in particular, it's the SEC and it's

1613
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: the Big ten that are the haves, and they've got

1614
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 2: all the TV money, and those are just going to

1615
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 2: continue to generate more and more.

1616
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of a monopoly. It's not even a meritocracy.

1617
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: It feels like a monopoly. And that's of course what

1618
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: what what we're seeing here with AI and and what

1619
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: we're seeing with the big tech in the.

1620
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Moment correct And I mean look again to get back

1621
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 2: to us talking about the second as being in Gilded

1622
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: Age at least one hundred years ago. In the first

1623
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 2: Gilded Age, we hadlegislators that stood that stood up to

1624
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 2: this and to the Rockfellers and the Vanderbilts and and

1625
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 2: the JP Morgans and we we broke up standard oil,

1626
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 2: and we know, we recognize that these monopolies were no

1627
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: good for society to have one percent controlling all the

1628
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: economic wealth. And out of that Gilded Age, we ended

1629
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: up coming up with Franklin Delan and Roosevelt and the

1630
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,919
Speaker 2: New Deal and you know, the advent of social security

1631
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: and social safety nets for individuals. I'm hopeful that this

1632
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: is an opportunity here for us in this country, and

1633
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 2: particularly in this upcoming election, for us to make that

1634
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 2: shift and to to to actually have more people that

1635
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: are going to be genuine populous. They're going to fight

1636
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 2: for the middle class and fight for economic populism, and

1637
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 2: we can change our country.

1638
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: All right, Totally easy questions for you know, he's got

1639
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: the best. Who's who's going to be the best college

1640
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 1: basketball team from Iowa this year? Who's going to go

1641
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: the furthest in the tournament?

1642
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 2: I would probably guess the Hawk guys is that's.

1643
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, i Alowa State doesn't have as good of a

1644
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: ball club this year.

1645
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 2: Oh they may, they may. It's but I'll say who

1646
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 2: I think is going to go furthest in the tournament?

1647
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 2: I think the Hawkeys. However, I'll say this Drake Man,

1648
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 2: oh Man, They've they've had they've had good results with

1649
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: at least making the tournament, which is Drake.

1650
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: And you and I. There's some pretty good supposed mid

1651
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: major teams right now.

1652
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 2: That is right. I mean half the battles just get

1653
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 2: into the tournament. I mean that that has been also

1654
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: interesting too with this shift in sports. On the football

1655
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 2: you've seen more of, but have and have not actually

1656
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 2: on the basketball side of things, I think you can

1657
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 2: make the argument where some of these teams, because you're

1658
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 2: seeing guys that are going in there and they're just

1659
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 2: staying one year and then they're entering the transfer pooral

1660
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 2: or the better athletes are going off to the NBA,

1661
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 2: I think you can make the argument that some of

1662
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: these mid majors that are able to keep their guys

1663
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 2: for three or four or five years, they're able to

1664
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 2: compete in an interesting way against these you know, the haves, so.

1665
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: Seniors four your guys that are grow up together for

1666
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: four years in the same program. One hundred percent. I'm

1667
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: a witch of GW.

1668
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 2: SERI matters.

1669
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: That's that's our plan, that's the GW blueprint. That's how

1670
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: they think we can we can be the next you know,

1671
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: the next Gonzaga, the next Wichita State, right right, that

1672
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: can pop in there. Let me get you out of

1673
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: here on this what's uh? On the NBA level? Who's

1674
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 1: your favorite basketball player to watch?

1675
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm a big fan of Jokich, what he's

1676
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 2: been able to do.

1677
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,959
Speaker 1: You like that, you like the the the high IQ player, right.

1678
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: I just kind of like unicorns. I just like watching

1679
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: anything at the very highest level. I'm a shooter, you know.

1680
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I had said to you, I

1681
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 2: am I cleaed to career four thousand, career points, sixty

1682
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 2: three points in the uh. So that was always my

1683
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: skill set. So watching somebody like Steph Curry that has

1684
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: been able to master that that unique skills. I love the.

1685
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Mayor man Fred Hoiberg. Right, he was a big shooter

1686
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: back in his day.

1687
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, Yeah, of course. But I mean it's

1688
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 2: like these individuals are able to do it in a

1689
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 2: very unique way at a high level. In Jokich, particularly

1690
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 2: with his physical appearance, you know, as he's just kind

1691
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: of lumbering down the court, but that level of coordination

1692
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,520
Speaker 2: that he that he has, it really is it's sensational.

1693
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 2: I really love watching him.

1694
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: It's such a high flying sport. To see him not

1695
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: get an inch off the ground is fantastic. It's my

1696
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: favorite gree I love that. Who's your goat.

1697
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 2: For the NBA?

1698
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you put in the goat?

1699
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 2: Do you have a goat?

1700
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: Do you have a hot take on goat? Between Jordan Lebron,

1701
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I got a hot take that involves Magic Johnson. But

1702
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: that's my hot take or you know.

1703
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: Well, here I will tell you my goat, but I'll

1704
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 2: tell you my Mount Rushmore. My goat without a doubt

1705
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 2: is Jordan. I mean as a kid watching growing up,

1706
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 2: watching him play six championships, six and zero. But I

1707
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 2: also think you can make the argument for someone like

1708
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Bill Russell eleven championships in thirteen years. I don't know

1709
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 2: if we'll ever see anything like that. Wilt Chamberlain. I mean,

1710
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: if you just look at the individual stat lines, he

1711
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 2: averaged fifty points in a seasons going over one hundred.

1712
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: Was one of the greatest volleyball players of all time

1713
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: as well.

1714
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 2: By the way, without a doubt, I mean, this was

1715
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 2: a guy that for a season actually averaged more minutes

1716
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: than even an NBA game has. He averaged like forty

1717
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 2: eight point three minutes in the game. Those would be

1718
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: those would be the ones that would be up there

1719
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: for me.

1720
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Josh, this was great. Good luck out there.

1721
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, are you any question quickly hit me up.

1722
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 2: What do you think about Iowa? I mean, like you,

1723
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're You're as close to this as

1724
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 2: is almost anybody. You're seeing this unique opportunity that we've got,

1725
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 2: you know, first time since nineteen sixty eight, open governor's race,

1726
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 2: open race, two open congressional races. In Trump's first midterm,

1727
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 2: we won three of the four, and we've got a

1728
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 2: great candidate with somebody like Rob sand that is similar

1729
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 2: to me in terms of leaning into the middle. What

1730
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 2: do you think about Iowa and us being the center

1731
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 2: of the political universe or this being a fundamental change

1732
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: in our life?

1733
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: Well, I think it is one of those where if

1734
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 1: if the Democrats want to be a national party, and

1735
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 1: I would argue that they've not been a national party

1736
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: since Obama and the sort of the got taken over

1737
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: by a consultant class that got I've always said, you know,

1738
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: analytics was a you know, the the analytics revolution that

1739
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: hit politics and sports and all this stuff where people

1740
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:30,759
Speaker 1: let data drive decisions. Sometimes data can be exclusive, meaning

1741
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:36,759
Speaker 1: it excludes people because it's efficiencies that analytics is looking for. Well,

1742
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: we found out the efficiencies of baseball made the game suck,

1743
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: and so we had it like and the efficiencies of

1744
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: politics actually made got rid of persuasion. We start the

1745
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: art of persuasion. Iowa only works with persuasion, right. It's

1746
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 1: why the caucuses, I think are such a unique thing

1747
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: and why Iowans took it seriously. I'm sorry the Democratic

1748
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 1: Party only views Iowa through an identity issue, and I

1749
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: think that is what offended some islands. I really believe

1750
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: that that when the Democratic Party nationally said, you know,

1751
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: I was too white, Well what do you think that

1752
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 1: said to the residents? You don't want us in your club?

1753
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:18,799
Speaker 2: Okay?

1754
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: And then you wonder, oh, well now I was out

1755
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: of range. Well you just told eighty percent of the

1756
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: population you didn't want them involved because they were too white.

1757
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: It was a strange, and I know that isn't I

1758
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 1: understood what the DNC was trying to say. But anyway, look,

1759
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm I think that if not now, when right, if

1760
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: the Iowa Democrats can't make a comeback, in this environment,

1761
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: under these circumstances, with everything that's there, right, if it

1762
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, the party's brand is even in worse shape

1763
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,799
Speaker 1: than I thought. I look at Iowa as this test

1764
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: if the Democrats are and I most look, I'm a believer.

1765
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: I live in history, so everything is cyclical, right, it

1766
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 1: just is. You know, Harkin first got elected in the

1767
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 1: seventy four Watergate class, right, and it was Iowa had

1768
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: a very Republican reputation before then, and that's sort of

1769
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: when when sort of the Iowa Democrats started to get

1770
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: more competitive. But it is a.

1771
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 2: If.

1772
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 1: If there isn't success this time, then it is not

1773
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: your fault or Rob's fault or the fault of the

1774
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 1: folks on the ground. It really is the national brand.

1775
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: Right if you can, if you can rebrand an Iowa

1776
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: Democrat is something that isn't associated with the national party.

1777
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 1: I think you have a boxer's chance because if you

1778
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: but you have to show up everywhere in the beauty

1779
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: of Iowa. Is it's kind of expected, right, the ninety

1780
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: nine counties, the fact that everybody that covers Iowa politics,

1781
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: even if you're not from Iowa, you know there are

1782
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: ninety nine counties. Do you know how many other states

1783
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: people know that they're the number of counties are in

1784
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: that outside of people that live in that state nowhere, right,

1785
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: Iowa has it, And so I do think, you know,

1786
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you just had a and I think

1787
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: if you look at the leadership of the Democratic Party,

1788
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: it's too coastal.

1789
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Right.

1790
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago that the Democratic Party was

1791
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 1: first that had a Senate Democratic leader from South Dakota,

1792
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: and then it was replaced by a Senate Democratic leader

1793
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: who was born and raised in rural Nevada. Like literally

1794
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: the towns that outside of Vegas, there are five of

1795
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: them that exist, right, I'm being a little facetious. So

1796
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of those things where literally

1797
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,759
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party left Iowa. Iowa didn't leave the Democratic Party.

1798
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 1: And we'll find out if Iowans are open to this

1799
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 1: version of the party. But I look at it, I

1800
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 1: think what's happened with the schools and the funding cuts.

1801
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 1: I hear it from a lot of my friends in

1802
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: rural Iowa about how you know, even if culturally they

1803
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: were supportive of the idea of private schools, and there

1804
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: was this epticism to the public schools. The way this

1805
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: is work doesn't work for people.

1806
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1807
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: Ultimately, people want their local school to work and they

1808
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 1: want to have a say over their local school, right.

1809
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: They want both things.

1810
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: So look, I mean, I'm I'm I'm biased. I've spent

1811
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Iowa. My my wife worked

1812
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: in Iowa. We've you know, we both care about the

1813
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: state a lot. Like I said, I've got more family

1814
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: buried in Iowa than any of the state in the Union.

1815
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: So I've always taken pride on what sort of a

1816
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: bipartisan state it's always has been, and it was always

1817
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,560
Speaker 1: a point of pride. My father's was a big conservative,

1818
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: grew up in Waterloo. It was a point of pride

1819
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: that Iowa was this swing state. That's right, because Iowan's

1820
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: worry about the person at the party, and there was

1821
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 1: always that there was a bit of a there was

1822
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 1: always pride in that the independent streak of Iowa. So look,

1823
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm bullish in theory, but you got to

1824
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,520
Speaker 1: have good candidates.

1825
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 2: There without a doubt. And this is one of the

1826
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 2: things that I've learned representing, you know, such a red district,

1827
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 2: is this comes down to right candidate, right message, and

1828
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 2: that message is genuine economics, timing matter, and the right

1829
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 2: work ethic. I think you can win, and we do.

1830
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,879
Speaker 2: I mean, we're basically dead last by every single economic

1831
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,560
Speaker 2: and healthcare metric. And as you said, this is a

1832
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: huge opportunity, but it's a lot of responsibility we get

1833
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 2: this right because if we cannot win in this environment,

1834
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: then this state may be gone for a generation.

1835
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: And because if Republicans can win in this environment, then

1836
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: then they're going to govern for quite some time. I mean,

1837
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've spent much time with Mike

1838
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: Franken in the race he ran, you know, he was

1839
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:44,560
Speaker 1: just totally I mean, you want to talk about identity politics,

1840
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: just eliminating him from consideration by the National Party. And

1841
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: it turned out he was the stronger candidate because he

1842
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: won the primary despite the National Party supporting somebody else.

1843
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: So what I would say is be careful when that

1844
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 1: when you think the national parties on your side, they

1845
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,520
Speaker 1: don't always make the smartest decisions.

1846
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 2: That's fair. And the other thing that you said that

1847
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree with is that we've got to

1848
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 2: make our own identity of what is an Iowa Democrat.

1849
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 2: I think that one of the One of the advantages

1850
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 2: that like a state above us in Minnesota has had

1851
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 2: is they've been able to make the distinction with we

1852
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 2: are the farm and Labor Party. And I think that

1853
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 2: if we had that ability to say we are the

1854
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 2: party of the American class, that the middle who.

1855
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: Says you have to keep the name Iowa Democrats, who

1856
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: says you can't become the Iowa Democratic Farm Labor I mean,

1857
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: I you know, I've had a few people ask me

1858
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, yeah, I you know, rebrand if

1859
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:35,600
Speaker 1: the part if the Democrats is going to be a

1860
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: coalition party, and most look, we're we're a country two parties.

1861
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: Nobody goes to the store and only takes and there's

1862
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 1: only two choices of t shirt sizes extra small and

1863
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: extra large. Right, Like the idea that we try to

1864
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: squeeze everybody into two parties, it's absurd. We probably should

1865
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: be a four or a four party system. I think

1866
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: it would frankly sort of ease the ease some of

1867
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: the tension inside both parties. You know where you have

1868
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: these giant where the tent is so big it rips

1869
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: a hole in the middle, right, And that's kind of

1870
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 1: what I think has happened to the Democrats. You've got

1871
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: these pro democracy ex Republicans on one side, and you've

1872
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,600
Speaker 1: got the Bernie Sanders democratic socialists on the other. And

1873
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 1: they only agree on one thing, Trump is bad for democracy.

1874
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Other than that, they've got nothing else in common. That's

1875
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: a tough coalition to win with on.

1876
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Bread and butter issues.

1877
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know why other state parties haven't actually

1878
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: followed the lead of Minnesota. Now Minnesota, there used to

1879
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: be separate parties. There was a Democratic Party and there

1880
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: was a farm Labor Party, and then they merged. That's

1881
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: sort of the history of that. But I've been surprised, Like,

1882
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 1: if I were an Idaho Democrat, I just rebrand the

1883
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 1: party the Idaho Freedom Party or something, you know where

1884
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes words you know are words you don't

1885
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: use anymore in certain locations. Okay, move on, your ideas

1886
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: can still work.

1887
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 2: This is interesting though, because we were I think we're

1888
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 2: seeing a schism actually on both parties. I mean the Democrats,

1889
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 2: as you indicated, but you also see this amongst classical

1890
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 2: conservatives and also what is a maga Republican and.

1891
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: So well, it's the same divide, you know, Josh. That

1892
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: divide existed before, it just was so dormant during the

1893
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: Cold War. The isolationist wing, you know, which was borderline

1894
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: xenophobic back in the nineteen thirties, and they were like, hey,

1895
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: we're not going to get involved in other people's wars.

1896
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: And they were the ones that held the American Americans

1897
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: back from participating in World War Two until it came

1898
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: to our shores. Right, we wouldn't have gotten involved until

1899
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: it hit us, because that Republican Party was more trumpy

1900
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: in the FDR era than Eisenhower, right, and then the

1901
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: Eisenhower to Romney run of Republicans, they were all sort

1902
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 1: of internationalists, and yet they're the Yeah, I don't think

1903
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 1: they're dead.

1904
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 2: They're just in hibernation at that wing of the party.

1905
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 2: I enjoyed this. Thank you so much for good to

1906
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 2: get to know you.

1907
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,480
Speaker 1: All right, hope you enjoyed that conversation. I am sticking

1908
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: with my theme of all things twenty twenty six, as

1909
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 1: I promised you. It's a top five.

1910
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 2: It's time.

1911
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, which means I have a new top five list.

1912
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 1: Top five top.

1913
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 2: It's an update. Right.

1914
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,719
Speaker 1: A month ago I debuted my top five most likely

1915
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: governor's seats to flip parties. And at that time this

1916
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: was October, which meant the Virginia and New Jersey races

1917
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:41,440
Speaker 1: were part of my top five. And just to recount

1918
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: my top five in October of races most likely to

1919
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 1: change of governor's seats or governor's mansions, however you want

1920
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 1: to describe it, most likely to flip parties, number one

1921
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: was Virginia, Number two was Kansas, number three was Wisconsin,

1922
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: number four was Michigan, and number five was Iowa. Now

1923
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 1: what do all five of those races have in common.

1924
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: They're all open seats. And as I will say every

1925
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 1: time I talk about governor's races, one of the hard

1926
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,879
Speaker 1: the hardest things to do in politics is to defeat

1927
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: a sitting governor after they've served only one term. It

1928
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: just rarely happens. Frank Murkowski is one of the few

1929
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 1: examples where it happened, when Sarah Palin defeated Lisa Markowski's

1930
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:23,799
Speaker 1: father in a primary after he had served one term.

1931
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: But it is not easy. Joe Lombardo defeated Governor Sicilac

1932
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: out of Steve Sicilac out of Nevada in twenty twenty

1933
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: two not the easiest thing to defeat a sitting of

1934
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: the only I think he was the only incumbent to

1935
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: lose statewide on the Democratic side in twenty twenty two

1936
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Senate or governor. So that is that is just how

1937
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: difficult it is voters in general, unless they really can't

1938
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: stand their governor and they do something sort of is

1939
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: something that they never thought that they would do. And

1940
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: in sisilex Casey shut down the strip right like, get know,

1941
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 1: that's why he lost reelection. He shut the strip down

1942
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:12,520
Speaker 1: during COVID and that had all sorts of massive economic

1943
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: fallout for Nevada residents, which explains the point is you're

1944
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: my top five list will likely not include a sitting governor.

1945
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:26,560
Speaker 1: In fact, I think if if you're wondering which incumbent

1946
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: governor is the most vulnerable in the country, I will

1947
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: tell you it is Katie Hobbs in Arizona. Of all

1948
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:39,919
Speaker 1: the incumbent governors seeking reelection, she's probably at the most vulnerable.

1949
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: She narrowly won over Carrie Lake the first time. She's

1950
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: not the most front facing candidate she is. There isn't

1951
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: going to be a Senate race that becomes the bigger

1952
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: attention seeker. Her race is going to be the front

1953
01:46:56,560 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 1: and center race in swing state Arizona. And if Congressman

1954
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: David Schweikert, who has represented a swing district in Arizona,

1955
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: ends up the Republican nominee, I think she's in for

1956
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 1: a real nail buyer. So I will say she does

1957
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: not make my top five at the moment of five

1958
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 1: most vulnerable to flip because I will tell you there's

1959
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 1: a whole bunch more open seats that are more likely

1960
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: to flip parties first before we get to Arizona.

1961
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 2: But if you.

1962
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,679
Speaker 1: Told me sometime between now and next November, Arizona makes

1963
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: it into my top five, it would be the one

1964
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: state with an incumbent governor that I think that it's

1965
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 1: likely to do that. So with that said, my top

1966
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: five number one now, and I think it's fair to

1967
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:43,839
Speaker 1: put this it's Kansas.

1968
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 2: Now.

1969
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I have a little update on Kansas lor Kelly,

1970
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: who's term limited, and it is worth noting that Democrats

1971
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 1: have had the governor's office sixteen of the last twenty

1972
01:47:56,120 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 1: four years. Right had Kathleen Sibilius, then you had and

1973
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: you had your eight years of brown back, and then

1974
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 1: you had eight years of lor Kelly. Now she has

1975
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 1: endorsed her successor, a state Senator by the name of

1976
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: Ethan Carson. Excuse me, Ethan Corson c O R S

1977
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: O N. My apologies there. She claims that he's going

1978
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: to be that he's the Democrat, he's in a primary,

1979
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: but that he's the Democrat best position to continue to

1980
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: appeal to sort of moderate Republicans and independents, which is

1981
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 1: what lor Kelly has successfully done in order to win.

1982
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: In Kansas. We'll see Kathleen Sibilius had her own successor

1983
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: and that person couldn't win. So look, I do think

1984
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: you're likely to see the windshield wiper effect take place

1985
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,679
Speaker 1: in Kansas, which is why you've got to make It's

1986
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: somewhat of a crowded Republican primary, but I think it's

1987
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: fair to put the you got to put that seat

1988
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: is most likely to flip at the moment. Right, it's

1989
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: the most Republican state with a Democratic open seat in

1990
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: the governor's in all of the governor's races. So because

1991
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: of that, I think you have to put Kansas in

1992
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 1: the one spot, so number two last week. I had

1993
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,719
Speaker 1: it at number three last month.

1994
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 2: Excuse me.

1995
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 1: I had it at number three, I am putting it

1996
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: at number two. I mean, the fact is, the Democrats

1997
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:30,639
Speaker 1: are in the tougher position in this three way race, right.

1998
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 1: You know, if Dougan catches fire, it's at the expense

1999
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 1: of the Democrats. If Dugan doesn't catch fire but still

2000
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,600
Speaker 1: gets low double digits, it's at the expense of the Democrat.

2001
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: So there are not a ton of scenarios that give

2002
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:49,800
Speaker 1: in this case, that put the advantage in the in

2003
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 1: the Democrats column here on this one. So I think

2004
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:55,839
Speaker 1: you have to put you know, if I've got Kansas

2005
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: in the number one slot, I think you.

2006
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:57,759
Speaker 2: Have to put Michigan.

2007
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: It's the second most likely state not to have a

2008
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: Democratics the same party succeed the party the incumbent party

2009
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 1: in this case, the Democrats. Look, I will continue to

2010
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 1: say that I think the state of Michigan is the

2011
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 1: single most important set of primaries. That Democratic primary in

2012
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 1: the Senate campaign is going to be just you know,

2013
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 1: just what direction does the party go in that Senate

2014
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 1: race If you have a progressive like Abdul say Ed

2015
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 1: who ends up not just the nominee, but wins that

2016
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: Senate see it will be. It will help set the

2017
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: tone of what the primary debate about Israel looks like

2018
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 1: in the Democratic presidential primaries. The point is, boy, what

2019
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 1: happens in Michigan, This three way governor's race and a

2020
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: general election, that Democratic primary and Senate race. It's so

2021
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 1: many If you're a serious political reporter and you want

2022
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: to make a name for yourself, plant yourself in the

2023
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 1: state of Michigan. Anyway, So Michigan in my number two slot. Look,

2024
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: and then number three. Right now, I'm going to put

2025
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: battleground state Georgia, And this is the new entry into

2026
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 1: my top five list. And I'm the case I'm making

2027
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: on why Georgia now is here is what happened in

2028
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 1: the off off year elections. I think when you it's

2029
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: the same reason why I dropped ASoft down the list

2030
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 1: of Senate seats most likely to flip in our last

2031
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 1: top five, and why I rise the Georgia governor's race.

2032
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I thought this would be a competitive race, but slight

2033
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 1: advantage to the Republicans. But what happened in those Public

2034
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 1: Service Commission races where Democrats won by double digits. And

2035
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 1: if you've got a turnout and you've got a weak

2036
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: Senate field. You've got a well funded incumbent candidate in

2037
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: John Ossoff. You have a very competent potential gubernatorial nominee

2038
01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 1: in Kisha Lance Bottoms, and she is I think very

2039
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 1: electable statewide, was not somebody that alienated the business community

2040
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: as mayor of Atlanta. So you put this combination up there,

2041
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 1: and suddenly I just feel a lot more bullish about

2042
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: Democrats in general and their chances in Georgia right now

2043
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: than I've had in a while, even more so than

2044
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,839
Speaker 1: the success the Democrats had in the twenty twenty campaign,

2045
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 1: right sort of the most successful year that they've ever

2046
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 1: had in Georgia in this century, where they carried the

2047
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 1: presidency and won two sentence seats thanks to runoffs. By

2048
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: the way, considering that we're going to have super competitive races,

2049
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:41,440
Speaker 1: in the likelihood there'll be some libertarian candidate on the ballot,

2050
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: the likelihood we have runoff somewhere in Georgia in December

2051
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six is probably higher than we any

2052
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 1: of us want to contemplate at this moment. But just

2053
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: put that in the back of your memory bank, that

2054
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 1: that is coming. So Number one, Kansas, Number two, Michigan,

2055
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: number three, Georgia in the four spot. I got to

2056
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: put Wisconsin pretty much for the same reason why Michigan

2057
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 1: is there, why Kansas is there. This is an open seat.

2058
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: Wisconsin's been a bit of a windshield wiper, at least

2059
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. Eight years one party, eight

2060
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 1: years in the other, and here we go again for Democrats,

2061
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: will the national wind blowing at their back allow them

2062
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: to overcome what could be a state wind blowing in

2063
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 1: their face? Well, didn't hurt Mikey Sheryl in New Jersey

2064
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 1: right where the let you know, where you had an

2065
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 1: outgoing governor that wasn't super popular. He wasn't super unpopular either,

2066
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: but he was sort of middly if you will. He

2067
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: certainly had a lower job rating than Glenn Younkin had

2068
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:47,679
Speaker 1: in Virginia. And so, you know, you just just due

2069
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: to the swinging nature of Wisconsin, you had to put

2070
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: that in the four slot and in the five slot.

2071
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep the same And it's simply because

2072
01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 1: Democrats have their candidate and Republicans don't yet, because there's

2073
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: going to be a competitive primary and that's Iowa and

2074
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: you have the Democratic cana Rob saying you just got

2075
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:10,320
Speaker 1: to know Josh Turreck a little bit. It does appear

2076
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:15,560
Speaker 1: as if the sort of populist, sort of more culturally

2077
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:20,680
Speaker 1: conservative but economic populist wing of the Democratic Party is

2078
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: flexing its muscle in Iowa. If that is what if

2079
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:28,640
Speaker 1: you see that sort of if that is that the

2080
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 1: unofficial ticket that is leading statewide in Iowa, that puts

2081
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 1: them in a strong position. And I happen to believe

2082
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: Iowa is a lot more winnable for Democrats than Ohio is,

2083
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: even though I suspect the Ohio governor's race to be

2084
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 1: quite close. We're still waiting for Tim Ryan to make

2085
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: a decision on that one. I'm not ready to put

2086
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: Ohio in any top five list on that front, but

2087
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: I am with Iowa. So to recap my top five

2088
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 1: for this month, the five evenor's mansions most likely to

2089
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 1: flip Kansas one, Michigan two, Georgia three, Wisconsin four, Iowa five.

2090
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,400
Speaker 1: And I think when you look at that, it's three Democratic,

2091
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 1: it's three Republican held seats, two Democratic health seats. No

2092
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: excuse me, three Democratic health seats, two Republican health seats.

2093
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 1: I think it's because you've seen Democrats had some good

2094
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:34,200
Speaker 1: success in twenty eighteen, winning in some light red states

2095
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:39,080
Speaker 1: now and in the swing states they're about to give that.

2096
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 1: You know, now those folks are term limited and the

2097
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: party is lucking out that it's likely they'll have the

2098
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: win that they're back. So one would assume they hold

2099
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:52,240
Speaker 1: at least two of those three important Midwestern in states

2100
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 1: that they want to hold Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. By

2101
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 1: the way, in case you're wondering the following races I

2102
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: contemplated for the top five lists I told you about Arizona.

2103
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: I think Katie Obbs is the most vulnerable incumbent in

2104
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 1: the country, but again I have my caveats there. The

2105
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:12,440
Speaker 1: hardest thing to do in politics, other than outstay sitting

2106
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 1: one term president, is to outstay sitting one term governor.

2107
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 1: Other seats that I are in my competitive category that

2108
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,360
Speaker 1: I did contemplate for this top five main an open

2109
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 1: seat there Nevada. Joe Lombardo the sitting you know, he

2110
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: just won. You know, this is a swingy state. We'll see.

2111
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 1: I think I think Lombardo's in pretty good shape for reelection,

2112
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 1: but it's going to be tight, and he certainly is

2113
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 1: running a bit against a we think it's going to

2114
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: be a breeze against him Ohio and the open seat

2115
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: in Alaska. But until we find out the full field

2116
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 1: in Alaska, what does Mary Patello do before, I'm willing

2117
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: to put Alaska truly in the very, very competitive column.

2118
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: So there you go my top five list this week.

2119
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Ask Chuck, all right, little last Chuck, I apologize for

2120
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 1: not doing any ass check last week, or excuse me

2121
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 1: last episode. I was, as many of you know, I've

2122
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: been traveling a lot, so I was a fit behind

2123
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,320
Speaker 1: on the question front, and I want to ask a bunch.

2124
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 1: I promise you next week I'm gonna have a heavy

2125
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: dose of questions so that I can get to as

2126
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: many of them as you've been sending in over the

2127
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: last few weeks.

2128
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 2: And we have a ton of terrific questions.

2129
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 1: So this one comes from Amy from I'm gonna see

2130
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 1: if I get this right. Amy is writing from Sheppichett,

2131
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. It's spelled cch p a c cht. I'm

2132
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 1: assuming a soft cee on that SHEPPI set. Maybe it's chepichet.

2133
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: Somebody will tell me. And Amy writes, dear Chuck, if

2134
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 1: and when the Epstein file's a release, can we really

2135
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 1: trust they're complete and untouched?

2136
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 2: Probably not.

2137
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,200
Speaker 1: They've been floating around for years, and we've been told

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Speaker 1: many eyes, every few of them recently appreciate podcast will

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Speaker 1: trust you and olwys learn something new.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately the way this situation has been handled,

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: about what we see and in fact we are. You know,

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Speaker 1: in some ways, the Epstein files have entered the Oswald

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Speaker 1: files territory right with JFK. The government's withheld those files

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Speaker 1: for so long that what they do release you assume

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Speaker 1: you can't trust what you've seen. So this is a

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Speaker 1: case where an untrustworthy institution is releasing files that you've

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Speaker 1: been skeptical of anyway. So I understand the skepticism on this. Look,

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Speaker 1: I suspect that we're not going to see these files

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Speaker 1: for a while. I suspect that you're going to see

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Speaker 1: an amendment in the you know, let's see what the

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Speaker 1: Senate does. Do they add any caveats to it, or

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Speaker 1: do they vote on it untouched. There's been a little

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Speaker 1: bit of back and forth on that, but I think

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Speaker 1: the most likely result is there's an open investigation that

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Speaker 1: Pambondi just opened on Democrats connected to Epstein, and that

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Speaker 1: that will service the pretext for not releasing anything at

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Speaker 1: least in the immediate future. Maybe we get them on

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Speaker 1: January nineteenth, twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Just something to think about.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I'm very skeptical that we're still going to

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Speaker 1: see it, but we'll say Thomas in Montana, right, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for what you do. I don't always agree, but

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Speaker 1: I always walk away more informed. I even subscribe to

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Speaker 1: a new local weekly paper. Right on, quick question, are

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Speaker 1: you aware of the football game this week in Missoula, Montana?

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Speaker 1: It's kat Griz. I'm aware of the rivalry aka the

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Speaker 1: Brawl of the Wild, A fierce rivalry game with big

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Speaker 1: states and bigger emotions. One team might win fifty to ten,

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Speaker 1: but nobody knows which. It's one of the most captivating

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Speaker 1: events in college sports. Thomas and Montana, you are right,

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Speaker 1: this is one of I am. I've spent a lion's

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Speaker 1: share of my first college football season away from NBC,

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Speaker 1: mostly focused on my University of Miami Hurricanes, but within

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Speaker 1: the next couple of years I play aim to embark

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Speaker 1: on what I call a rivalry tour if you will missus.

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Speaker 1: Todd is a huge college football fan as well. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about this. We want to go to Michigan, Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Iowa State, Iowa. She's been

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Speaker 1: to Iowa State IOA.

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Speaker 2: I have not.

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Speaker 1: She's been a noted name USC I have not. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to go to Montana Montana State. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it's a great excuse to get up to Montana, and

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Speaker 1: that is a great one. I want to go to

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Speaker 1: an Auburn Alabama game, so I am well aware of that.

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Speaker 1: One one of my longtime sources that I've dealt with

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Speaker 1: over the years off and on is a former Obama

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Speaker 1: campaign hand named Jim Messina. He's a Montana native. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing like getting him to talk about this rivalry. So

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Speaker 1: one of I will confess. One of the great currencies

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Speaker 1: I've used as a reporter over the years is college football.

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Speaker 1: It is It is a it is a common language

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Speaker 1: that I've used to you know, to get to know

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Speaker 1: sources that you need to report on politics and good

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Speaker 1: political uh, good political strategists, good political candidates, whether they

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Speaker 1: like college football or not, know how to talk about

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Speaker 1: college football rivalries anyway, Uh, thank you for that reminder.

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Speaker 1: And let's just say that's that's going to be one

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Speaker 1: we all need to pay attention to regardless. Yes it's

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Speaker 1: an FCS, but I'll tell you if they had, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of those one of those Montana schools are going

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Speaker 1: to be Both of them have the passionate fan base

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Speaker 1: that that you know, they could make a pretty good

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Speaker 1: FBS team. You know, it does feel like those plain

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Speaker 1: states between the Dakotas and Montana, there's some really good

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Speaker 1: FCS football up there. When they play any teams in

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Speaker 1: the division above, they can sometimes give some scare so

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Speaker 1: I'm well aware it's very much quality football.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Lee Heck. Ooh, I think I

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Speaker 1: know Lee. I know Lee Heck in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Hey Lee, this is.

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Speaker 1: An old friend. Anyway, Hey check love the election live

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Speaker 1: stream and now I have a soft spot for the

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Speaker 1: newsgirls good as you should their terrific subscribe to their podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if your viewing California's registring voters shifted after

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Speaker 1: Tuesday give them the growing national momentum. Well, I still

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Speaker 1: favorite independent commissions. I understand the strategy to office at

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Speaker 1: GOP controlled stage. Also, it's a lifelong Hoosier. It's been

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Speaker 1: thrilling to see how you football finally shine. Now we

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Speaker 1: just need basketball to catch up. Yeah, I know, I

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for the basketball coach right now in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Right now, there's so much more pressure to perform. If

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Speaker 1: the football team can do it, then why the hell

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Speaker 1: can't hoo's your basketball get there? Get their crap together?

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Speaker 1: Look as look, Hey, you should check out the column

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Speaker 1: I wrote this week on Substack, which is all about

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom and the vacuum he has filled for I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people who have felt frustrated that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats don't know how to fight back with Trump.

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Speaker 1: Uh it's I am. I am not gonna I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to be one over that. This is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I think making fewer congressional seats competitive is bad for

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Speaker 1: American politics, And that is the ultimate what is the

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Speaker 1: what is the consequence of all this? We now have

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Speaker 1: fewer competitive seats.

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Speaker 2: That's bad.

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Speaker 1: That means there are fewer races in America that are

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Speaker 1: sort of you know that the people haveing it can

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Speaker 1: have an impact on right There are fewer that are

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Speaker 1: deciding the balance of power. That's not healthy. But I

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Speaker 1: understand the h I understand the tactic, and it's been

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Speaker 1: a very successful CounterPunch to the point, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I am. I am relieved to know that there are

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Speaker 1: courts that think we shouldn't be doing this willy nilly

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Speaker 1: re redistricting every two years. So kudos to the to

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Speaker 1: the court in Texas to putting a pause on what's

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Speaker 1: happening there. And it could mean that that a court

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Speaker 1: challenge to California is re redistricting could have an impact here.

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Speaker 1: But what I will say is I do think it

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Speaker 1: is certainly fired up Democrats and it has really.

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Speaker 2: Been good for Gavin Newsom. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that I that is crystal clear to

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Speaker 1: me is that there is an appetite in the base

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party for a fighter at this moment

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Speaker 1: to fight back, to figure out if you have power,

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Speaker 1: do you know how to use it when they're trying

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Speaker 1: to wedge you with the power that they have. And

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Speaker 1: I think what you saw in Davenusom was an ability

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to use power when when he

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Speaker 1: felt is necessary. You're gonna have a hard time convincing

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Speaker 1: me this is good governance. I accept the premise we

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Speaker 1: are necessarily in a good governance moment, and I do

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Speaker 1: think the unintended consequence is less competition, which is bad

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Speaker 1: for everybody. I can't sit here and say it has

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Speaker 1: not been tactically successful for Democrats. Michael T from Chicago,

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Speaker 1: always a preacher, you're inside. I'm curious what you think

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Speaker 1: about Fox. Ititis this idea that about thirty percent of

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Speaker 1: the country fully believes the misinformation Fox spreads. My retired

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Speaker 1: father now watches it from morning tonight and it's convinced

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Speaker 1: Trump and Magar are the solution everything. My siblings and

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Speaker 1: I tread family gatherings because all he wants to do

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Speaker 1: is educate us with Fox talking points. How can we

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Speaker 1: save our democracy when so many people are trapped in

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Speaker 1: this misinformation bubble?

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Speaker 2: Michael T.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's unfortunately we know this disease, and I by

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Speaker 1: the way it exists with those that just sit in

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Speaker 1: front of MSNBC or ms NOW and watch it ten

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Speaker 1: hours a day. You know what's unhealthy watching one stream

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Speaker 1: of anything for eight to ten hours a day, and

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Speaker 1: for many retirees, many older folks. I do think that

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Speaker 1: Fox and ms and even seeing end to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 1: are sort of their background comfort, right, they're sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're living alone, they provide some noise

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't feel so lonely. And yes, it has

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Speaker 1: I think it has a corrosive Uh, it can have

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Speaker 1: a corrosive effect, especially you know, over over time. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I can tell you I've got relatives who watch,

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Speaker 1: I might argue, watch too much of MS, and they

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Speaker 1: are convinced that literally this the Republic is going to

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Speaker 1: fall within days, just like there are folks that I

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Speaker 1: discover who watch so much Fox that are convinced that

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Speaker 1: there is some sort of communist conspiracy that is taken

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Speaker 1: over the Democratic Party. Can I make you feel better

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Speaker 1: that the average age of a viewer of any cable

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Speaker 1: news is now seventy plus, that this is an aging

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Speaker 1: demographic that is listening to this. I would argue that

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Speaker 1: it is no more influential than talk radio was thirty

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Speaker 1: years ago. On those that just allowed Rush Limbaugh to

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Speaker 1: sort of program their brains for three hours a day

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Speaker 1: as they were you know, doing you know, driving around

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Speaker 1: with sales or marketing and things like that, for the

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Speaker 1: for the for the for the traveling sales, the sales

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Speaker 1: force that was out there, or those that make it

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Speaker 1: made a living driving So I I I think you

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Speaker 1: might have asked that a generation before would have talked

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Speaker 1: about talk radio and you know, hey, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: got a father who listens to too much talk radio

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Speaker 1: and he seems to believe everything that comes out of

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Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh.

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Speaker 2: Right, So.

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Speaker 1: It is I think the real danger is are the

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Speaker 1: lack of you know, the way the algorithms work, that

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Speaker 1: the algorithms don't allow us to versify our news streams

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Speaker 1: don't allow it. It is really difficult to diversify your

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Speaker 1: new stream.

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Speaker 2: I have an unusual.

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Speaker 1: Feed, right, but I have intentionally created a feed that

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Speaker 1: is as as you know, as sort of whiplashy as

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Speaker 1: you can get, because I'm trying to keep track of

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Speaker 1: the crazy MAGA, right, I'm trying to keep track of

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Speaker 1: the democratic socialist left, including the crazy version of the

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Speaker 1: democratic socialist left as well as you know. I think

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Speaker 1: there are mainstream MEGA and I think there's crazy MEGA.

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Speaker 1: I think there's mainstream democratic socialism. I think there's crazy

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Speaker 1: democratic socialists. So I'm trying to understand that if the

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Speaker 1: full spectrum that's out there. But you have to intentionally

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Speaker 1: do it as a feed and it is it is

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Speaker 1: more and more difficult because some people have simply left

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Speaker 1: acts because they've because it's clear that Elon Musk is

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Speaker 1: sort of screwed with the algorithms to sort of suppress

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Speaker 1: one side of the aisle. Any sort of ample fives

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Speaker 1: the other side of the aisle, which also can be screwy.

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Speaker 2: With your feet.

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Speaker 1: But I think the thing that is most dangerous is

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Speaker 1: this is the is the algorithmic driven bubbles.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Cable has fallen prey to this, But this is just

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Speaker 1: as much of a problem on TikTok with young people

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Speaker 1: and only getting one you know, a source, you know,

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Speaker 1: one sided source there. I mean, this is I wish

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Speaker 1: this were an isolated issue just with fox iyness. But

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Speaker 1: I guess my point is that that we we sort

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Speaker 1: of we're almost a tapestry of these bubbles, and I

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Speaker 1: think they've all been pretty destructive on the information ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: That's the core issue, right, The information ecosystem currently has

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Speaker 1: an incentive structure that is that pushes us away from

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Speaker 1: quality information and pushes us towards amplification and affirmation. All right,

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Speaker 1: next question comes from Joshua Beeh and he simply writes,

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Speaker 1: does Amy Acting or Tim Ryan give give Democrats the

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Speaker 1: best shot? Does Amy Actin or Tim Ryan give Democrats

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Speaker 1: the best shot at winning the twenty twenty six Ohio

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Speaker 1: Governor's race. You know it's interesting. I'm I know both

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Speaker 1: of these Democrats pretty well. I know Vivick Ramaswami somewhat

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Speaker 1: well as two And in fact, this is one of

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Speaker 1: those races where I think I've hosted all three of

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Speaker 1: them at various times as podcast guests and various iterations.

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Speaker 1: I find them all to be interesting conversationalists. I learned

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Speaker 1: something from all three of them. This is I could

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Speaker 1: make a case this could be the smartest set of

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Speaker 1: candidates for governor that you could have. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I don't want to make a moral or ethical

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Speaker 1: judgment about about that. I have a feeling you may

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Speaker 1: have some strong feelings about ramas Swami. But I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you this, I think Ramaswamy's weak potential Republican nominee. I

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Speaker 1: think connection with Doge is a net negative.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: That it's you know, Amy Acting being Mike Dewin's former

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Speaker 1: health advisor.

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Speaker 2: Is that a help? Now?

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Speaker 1: I'm I think there's such a negative view of COVID

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Speaker 1: that even though I think Amy acting frankly would be

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Speaker 1: a fascinating governor, I don't know if leaning into COVID

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Speaker 1: or having that be your origin story on the political

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Speaker 1: map is a net positive, right. I just think people

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Speaker 1: are so they don't want to think about COVID, and

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Speaker 1: so I don't know if that just costs her a

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Speaker 1: couple of you know, makes her a weaker candidate. But

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Speaker 1: Tim Ryan feels like a serial candidate for office, right,

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Speaker 1: How much does he really want to be governor? He

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02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:02,200
Speaker 1: just ran for Senate and lost. Is he just looking

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Speaker 1: for is this a stepping stone?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: He thought about running for president in twenty twenty almost

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Speaker 1: did it right, you know? Or is he really serious

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Speaker 1: about being governor? And why hasn't he gotten in yet?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And he's gotten in bed with the crypto world, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's a net positive because it

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Speaker 1: neutralizes the issue and they won't all come in for Ramaswami,

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Speaker 1: or it neutralizes it in a way that's a net

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02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,960
Speaker 1: negative for Ryan. If you are a cryptoskeptic or you're

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Speaker 1: worried about sort of how silicon Valley has there has

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Speaker 1: entrenched themselves in the campaign. So I could make a

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Speaker 1: case that either one of the I guess on paper,

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Speaker 1: I think Tim Ryan's probably the slightly stronger profile, and

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Speaker 1: it's simply due to COVID fatigue and the fact that

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02:12:57,160 --> 02:13:00,440
Speaker 1: the electorate just and that doctor Actin could just be

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02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:04,440
Speaker 1: could be a reminder of something that many voters just

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02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:09,040
Speaker 1: want to compartmentalize and not talk about. But here's what

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Speaker 1: I do believe. I think Ramaswami's the among the weaker

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Speaker 1: candidates they could get for governor. I think this is

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Speaker 1: a more winnable race than Democrats have treated it. I think, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: I say this, it's light red, not dark red. And

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Speaker 1: if there was ever a if there, now you know,

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Speaker 1: I really think would have been the strongest candidate for

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Speaker 1: governor wouldn't have been either Amy Actor or Tim Ryan.

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Speaker 1: It'd been Shared Brown. Just something to think about, all right,

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Speaker 1: last question and then I and then we'll call it.

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Speaker 2: We'll call it a podcast.

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Speaker 1: This comes from Jacob. He says, Hey, check loving the

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Speaker 1: new podcast. It actually reminds me of Peter King's Monday

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Speaker 1: Morning Quarterback. I'll take that as high praise. I like

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Speaker 1: that podcast, and Peter King's a friend. I like Peter,

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Speaker 1: especially how your football segment's had a personal engaging touch.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to suggest a Netflix style docu series on

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Oh buddy, I have I have a treatment

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02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,520
Speaker 1: already written on this stuff. But this is great, Jacob.

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Speaker 1: Can I get you to get a job in Netflix

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Speaker 1: so they could greenlight this series? But anyway, you've already

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Speaker 1: touched on the Nixon tapes, JFK, and Jonestown, and with

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Speaker 1: the rise in UFO sightings and current conspiracies, there's plenty

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Speaker 1: to explore. A short three episode series could really work.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, looking forward to more. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. And here's why. I

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Speaker 1: think conspiracy theories actually are a terrific sort of way

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Speaker 1: to engage the public in learning how to critically think.

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02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:34,960
Speaker 1: There is a Florida State University a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago started a class that was essentially about news literacy,

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Speaker 1: but instead of calling it about news literacy, they called

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Speaker 1: it introduction to conspiracy theory. And the point being is

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Speaker 1: that and I could do this. I could make a

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Speaker 1: forty seven forty seven part series on presidential conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: Because every single president has had some conspiracy theory dog them,

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Speaker 1: and learning how that conspiracy theory got traction helps you

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02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:11,280
Speaker 1: understand the media ecosystem right of that era, whether it's

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Speaker 1: about Warren Harding and Teapot Dome, whether it's about James

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Speaker 1: Garfield and Roscoe Conkling, or whether it's about JFK or

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Speaker 1: whether it's about Nixon or or or the Trilateral Commission. Right,

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02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:32,720
Speaker 1: we can and George W. George H. W. Bush Whitewater

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Speaker 1: and Vince Foster and Bill Clinton. But when you when

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Speaker 1: explaining every presidential conspiracy theory, it's actually a terrific way

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02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:46,919
Speaker 1: to get people to understand sort of when you understand

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02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:51,000
Speaker 1: how a conspiracy theory takes takes hold, then it just

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Speaker 1: helps you be a better critical thinker when it comes

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Speaker 1: to consuming news and information period. So, uh, by the

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Speaker 1: way you entertain people at the same time, that's the

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Speaker 1: sweet spot. And I'm a huge look. I believe at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, what we're really doing if

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02:16:11,480 --> 02:16:15,879
Speaker 1: my podcast is success or failure based on whether I'm educating,

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02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:19,360
Speaker 1: and if I'm educating, I think I'm doing something successful.

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02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:21,880
Speaker 1: If I'm not educating you and making you smarter and

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Speaker 1: making you understand something better than I'm not doing my job.

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Speaker 1: And I think in some ways, the best way to

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Speaker 1: educate people about news consumption, the best way to educate

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02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:36,000
Speaker 1: people sometimes about American history is to make the entry

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Speaker 1: point something shocking and tabloid, like a conspiracy theory, and

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02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:44,400
Speaker 1: you suck them in with that, and then you accidentally

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Speaker 1: teach them about American and oh, they're accidentally better informed.

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Speaker 1: So love where you're headed, love where you're thinking, and hey, Netflix,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, we could be doing a lot more

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Speaker 1: of these, you know, instead of doing cliff notes of

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Speaker 1: history like you did with Death by Lightning, where you's

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Speaker 1: sort of I find myself ultimately disappointed in this garf

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Speaker 1: and Death by Lightning because yes, there's so much they

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Speaker 1: could have done better, and there's so much more of

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Speaker 1: the era that they could have you know. It literally

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Speaker 1: is like a tasting menu, like having a taste of

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Speaker 1: what could be an incredible meal. If Netflix would have

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Speaker 1: let Benioffen Whites do what would have made an incredible

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Speaker 1: meal an eight or a ten part docus series on

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Speaker 1: sort of the rise and follow Carfield anyway with that,

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Speaker 1: with that programming lineup, getting ready to be prepared in

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Speaker 1: the back of my brain. I'll see in twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: ten minutes, okay,