Speaker 1: Welcome to this League uncut in were the twenty four
Speaker 1: hour NBA News.
Speaker 2: This is you.
Speaker 1: Chris Haynes's telling Mark Stein it's some time. This league
Speaker 1: un cut is underway and on fire. This should be
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, this will be a great one. I should say.
Speaker 4: I told you, Stein Stein, I told you, I told
Speaker 4: you for months.
Speaker 3: I said it's going to happen. It's going to happen.
Speaker 4: Everybody, Welcome back to hashtag this League uncut. I'm your host,
Speaker 4: Chris Haynes and Mark stein Stein. I told you it
Speaker 4: was going to happen, and it finally happened. It finally
Speaker 4: did so, I'm pretty sure listeners asking what happened, what's
Speaker 4: going on, I'm gonna tell you what was going on.
Speaker 4: I got stan Van Gunn himself. He's here available to
Speaker 4: come on our podcast. I'm very excited. This is my
Speaker 4: broadcast partner with T and T. You guys know him
Speaker 4: as the legendary coach. But he's doing He's over there
Speaker 4: in the broadcast booth with me. And I asked him
Speaker 4: on the same day. I asked him on the same day,
Speaker 4: you know, and he came through. I know he has
Speaker 4: a lot of things to do. But I appreciate him
Speaker 4: for taking the time to join us. Stan, I appreciate
Speaker 4: you brother, Thank you for coming on absolutely.
Speaker 5: Chris, anytime you know that for teammates, that's what you do.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Stein.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what it's like to travel
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 6: We don't end up traveling together much because you know,
Speaker 6: Chris coming from Sacramento and I'm coming from Florida.
Speaker 5: So we just connect when we get that.
Speaker 3: And Stan's taking us like he really takes care of
Speaker 3: us on the road.
Speaker 4: He treated us to a suite at a baseball game
Speaker 4: in San Francisco Giant Baseball game.
Speaker 3: It often takes us to dinner.
Speaker 5: I had the pleasure.
Speaker 4: Sine of joining him and his brother Jeff van Gunny
Speaker 4: for dinner.
Speaker 5: We had dinner at well, what was that place?
Speaker 3: Italian Place in Boston.
Speaker 5: Aria, Aria in Austin.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a PJ Carlistimo recommendation. And you can
Speaker 6: never go wrong if PJ Carlismo's recommending.
Speaker 7: No, that is true, PJ. I've seen PJ now three
Speaker 7: times in the playoffs. I got to work with him
Speaker 7: at ESBN for years, and I know I love food
Speaker 7: and I care about restaurants, but I don't think there
Speaker 7: is anyone in the history of the sport who cares
Speaker 7: more about the postgame meal than PJ Carlssimo. So if he,
Speaker 7: if he hooked you guys up, then it would had
Speaker 7: to be good.
Speaker 5: Well it is, But Mark, I can't do the post
Speaker 5: games with PJ. I don't know how you got with him.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, PJ wants to go eat. It's
Speaker 5: like I'm like.
Speaker 7: Man, and that's early. I mean I remember an All
Speaker 7: Star game. I remember an All Star game in New
Speaker 7: Orleans and he had his kids with him who were
Speaker 7: young at the time, and we must have you know,
Speaker 7: every city in the league. PJ knows someone who will
Speaker 7: keep their place open late for him, and it must
Speaker 7: have been midnight when we sat down, and his kids
Speaker 7: were ten and twelve. But no, there is there is
Speaker 7: nothing that will stop coach Carlissimo from the postgame meal.
Speaker 6: No, there certainly is not one of the all time
Speaker 6: great people in the game.
Speaker 5: Well, Stan again, thank you for coming on and join us.
Speaker 4: You know, we got some interesting playoff series going on,
Speaker 4: and we're going to get to that.
Speaker 3: But I want to, I want to. I gotta touch
Speaker 3: on these coaching.
Speaker 4: Moves that the Phoenix Sons and Los Angeles Lakers are
Speaker 4: on the verge of making. But obviously we know they
Speaker 4: let go at Darby Ham after two seasons, Phoenix Sons.
Speaker 3: Let go of Frank Vogel after.
Speaker 4: One season, and the Suns are bringing on coach Buenholzer.
Speaker 3: Your I guess your initial thoughts on that move.
Speaker 6: Well, the on the Phoenix thing, I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: I think what always sort of gets me is if
Speaker 6: you look at the organizations that have success consistently in
Speaker 6: the league, continuity is a big part of it. And
Speaker 6: so you look at Miami and people say, oh, well,
Speaker 6: they always win, that's why they've had Sposter for as
Speaker 6: long as they have, But that's not true. Before they
Speaker 6: went to the finals in the Bubble, they had missed
Speaker 6: the playoffs, what three out of four, three out of
Speaker 6: five years.
Speaker 5: But they don't just make a move.
Speaker 6: They understand that continuity helps you you stay on the
Speaker 6: same page with the type of players you want and
Speaker 6: the players that will fit the coach and fit the organization.
Speaker 5: And as much as.
Speaker 6: People see how continuity works, they had some disappointing years
Speaker 6: in Denver, they stuck with Michael Malone.
Speaker 5: They stuck with their key players. It got better.
Speaker 6: No matter how many times people see it work, most
Speaker 6: of the people twenty seven to twenty eight teams in
Speaker 6: the league can't figure it out, and so they just
Speaker 6: keep changing.
Speaker 5: And so now the Phoenix Sun's.
Speaker 6: Third coach in three years, and we'll see if Mike
Speaker 6: Budenholzer can make it to game one of his second
Speaker 6: year with Phoenix, which would make him.
Speaker 5: Matdishbia's longest lasting yet.
Speaker 6: You know. But here's the thing, Listen, I don't have
Speaker 6: any problem. They pay us a lot of money to
Speaker 6: coach in this league. Owners front offices have every right
Speaker 6: to make a change whenever they want. But please spare
Speaker 6: me the ba that James Jones came out with saying
Speaker 6: we all have accountability here.
Speaker 5: I read that and I said, oh really, James, So explain.
Speaker 6: To me what your accountability looks like for putting together
Speaker 6: a roster with no point guard, no defensive stopper.
Speaker 5: I just like, explain to.
Speaker 6: Me what your accountability looks like, because you still have
Speaker 6: a job. Explain to me what the rest of the
Speaker 6: front office is accountability looks like. Explain to me what
Speaker 6: Matt Ishby's accountability.
Speaker 5: Looks like that was a BS line.
Speaker 6: One guy was held accountable, one guy that was it,
Speaker 6: no one else was held accountable. And then with Darvin Ham, look,
Speaker 6: I mean he took him to the Western Conference finals
Speaker 6: in his first year, a big over achievement I think
Speaker 6: in the minds of most of us. And then this
Speaker 6: year they went into the playoffs and gave Denver a
Speaker 6: great first round series.
Speaker 5: I know, it only went five games.
Speaker 6: I don't think I've ever seen a team losing five
Speaker 6: games in a series where they led for over seventy
Speaker 6: percent of the minute. So, look, expectations are what they are.
Speaker 5: In LA.
Speaker 6: They fired Frank Bogel two years after winning a championship.
Speaker 6: So those guys both got caught in two of the
Speaker 6: crazier situations in this league. But they both take a
Speaker 6: lot of money home with them, deservedly so, and I
Speaker 6: hope they both get opportunities going forward.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting when you mentioned the money, because I
Speaker 7: think there is a perspective out there now, or a
Speaker 7: viewpoint that suggests that part of the reason your salaries
Speaker 7: are on the rise is because the blame is baked in.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how fair that is.
Speaker 7: It cannot be a fun experience when you're actually doing
Speaker 7: the job and you know it. But it just it
Speaker 7: almost seems like the blame is factored into the contracts
Speaker 7: that are being handed out today, that coaches know that
Speaker 7: they're the first person in line who is going to
Speaker 7: get the blame when things go awry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you.
Speaker 6: Know what, I don't even looked at it really mark
Speaker 6: as a as a fairness issue. I mean, professional sports
Speaker 6: aren't about fairness. Like I said, The thing I mainly
Speaker 6: objected to was the BS statement that Phoenix put out.
Speaker 5: But fairness doesn't really enter into it.
Speaker 6: What I wonder about is the people who constantly make
Speaker 6: coaching changes.
Speaker 5: Just somebody please explain to.
Speaker 6: Me or show me where that has worked. I mean
Speaker 6: it doesn't. People who stick with people. I'm not saying forever,
Speaker 6: but stick with people and have some continuity.
Speaker 5: Look, I've talked to a lot of NBA scouts.
Speaker 6: It's a lot easier to go out there and do
Speaker 6: your job when you sort of know what your team
Speaker 6: is looking for, what's our style of play going to be,
Speaker 6: who's going to get playing time with that particular coach.
Speaker 6: I think the New York Knicks have done a tremendous
Speaker 6: job of putting players on.
Speaker 5: Their roster that fit with Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 6: I think the Miami Heat always does a good job
Speaker 6: of putting people on their roster that fit with Eric Spolstra.
Speaker 6: You know, the Denver Nuggets know who they want to
Speaker 6: put with Michael Malone and with Nikola Jokic.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you do your job as a front.
Speaker 6: Officer as a scout where you went out and you said, hey,
Speaker 6: this guy would be a good fit, and then you say,
Speaker 6: oh no, now we're going in a different direction. Oh
Speaker 6: now we're going in a different direction. It's hard for
Speaker 6: your organization to be successful, and yet owners in front
Speaker 6: offices just keep doing it.
Speaker 5: So fairness aside.
Speaker 6: To me, it's about being successful and being about making
Speaker 6: moves that makes sense. And I don't see how any
Speaker 6: of this does a lot of times, let's face it,
Speaker 6: it's a cover your ass move.
Speaker 5: Just screwed up.
Speaker 6: As a front office, you didn't put a good enough
Speaker 6: roster together, and rather than working on that and making
Speaker 6: your roster better, it's just easier to.
Speaker 5: Avoid blame and blame the head coach.
Speaker 6: That Phoenix roster from day one wasn't about fit.
Speaker 5: It was about going out.
Speaker 6: And getting the biggest names possible to put on the
Speaker 6: back of their uniforms. I mean, look, they thought they
Speaker 6: were contenders. Who are the other contending teams.
Speaker 5: That don't have a point guard?
Speaker 6: Who are the other contending teams where you can't name
Speaker 6: a defensive stopper in their starting lineup. It was a
Speaker 6: ridiculous roster they put together, and they held their head
Speaker 6: coach accountable.
Speaker 5: Makes no sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have reported that Vogel wanted a point guard,
Speaker 4: one of they starting point guard on that roster, but
Speaker 4: the front office felt like that will be taking the
Speaker 4: ball away from taking the ball away from KD. Devin
Speaker 4: Booker and Bradley Beal felt like they needed the ball
Speaker 4: in their hands.
Speaker 3: That was their explanation. Yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 6: Work, and so Frank got held accountable because you know,
Speaker 6: we certainly have not seen over the last few years
Speaker 6: with Jamal Murray and Steph Curry and guys like that,
Speaker 6: that the point guard would be important. I mean, we've
Speaker 6: never we've never really seen the importance of that position
Speaker 6: in the NBA.
Speaker 7: Well, and it also seems like, you know, relationships with
Speaker 7: your star players like that is always it's probably being
Speaker 7: more prioritize now than ever. So to my knowledge, I
Speaker 7: don't think Mike Budenholzer has worked with Durant or Booker
Speaker 7: or Beal in the past, so he's really walking in
Speaker 7: there totally fresh. How hard is that for a coach
Speaker 7: to go into a new organization with you know, ownership
Speaker 7: is talking championship or bust. Obviously they've spent a bazillion
Speaker 7: dollars on the roster. They don't have flexibility to make changes.
Speaker 7: How hard is that just for a coach to walk
Speaker 7: into a new program and start from scratch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's never easy, Mark.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you're getting to know new players
Speaker 6: and you've got to get the pieces to fit together.
Speaker 6: You've got to get buy in from your key guys.
Speaker 6: But look, every coaching situation has challenges, and you'd certainly
Speaker 6: rather go into a situation even that has challenges, but
Speaker 6: it at least has talent than not having talent. So
Speaker 6: Mike Budenholzer has dealt with that obviously with Giannis in
Speaker 6: Milwaukee and the whole thing. And I mean, we want
Speaker 6: to get into ridiculous coaching hires and fires. We don't
Speaker 6: need to go any further than the Milwaukee Bucks, who
Speaker 6: who got rid of Mike Budenholzer because they lost in
Speaker 6: the first round with Yannis hurt, so they went out
Speaker 6: and hired a guy who went thirty and thirteen, made
Speaker 6: a coaching change there, and Yannis.
Speaker 5: Got hurt again.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, it's almost like you can't make this
Speaker 6: stuff up. So Mike Budenholzer is a great coach, and
Speaker 6: we'll do a.
Speaker 5: Hell of a job.
Speaker 6: But I've seen great coaches in this league, and I've
Speaker 6: yet to see a miracle worker. And I've yet to
Speaker 6: see anybody win win a championship with a roster that
Speaker 6: wasn't good enough. So you know, his job there will
Speaker 6: be to maximize what he has.
Speaker 5: Whoever has the Lakers, same job.
Speaker 6: It's what it always maximize what you've got, which is
Speaker 6: all you can.
Speaker 5: Do as a coach, and that will never supersede the
Speaker 5: roster itself. Coach.
Speaker 4: I did a bleacher Report live stream just before we
Speaker 4: hopped on this podcast, and you know, I was reported
Speaker 4: Jalen Brunston is going to play tonight.
Speaker 3: You know we worked the game where he heard his foot.
Speaker 4: But another one of my reports was I reported Doc
Speaker 4: Rivers dismissed a few assistant coaches recently. Those assistants were
Speaker 4: Josh Oppenheimer, DJ Baker and Sydney Dobner. And could you
Speaker 4: talk about have you ever been in a situation where
Speaker 4: you had to relieve some assistants that weren't on your
Speaker 4: original like that they were holdovers from a previous coaching regimen,
Speaker 4: And what is that process?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: I know people saw that and they might not understand,
Speaker 4: but this is Doc's this is Doc fine. They get
Speaker 4: an opportunity to bring in his own staff. He just
Speaker 4: talk about that type of transition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6: I mean I don't think that was necessarily Doc, you know,
Speaker 6: not thinking guys were any good.
Speaker 5: I mean most of us, at least of us.
Speaker 6: Older guys who go on the old formula where you
Speaker 6: get to hire your own staff, you.
Speaker 5: Know, you have you wanna want to have.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what Doc was. And the only
Speaker 6: thing that's different about this is he came in mid season,
Speaker 6: so he couldn't dismiss everybody then, so he had to
Speaker 6: sort of make it work with the guys he had.
Speaker 6: Now they're in a position where he can create his
Speaker 6: own staff, you know, around he's got Dave Jeger. He's
Speaker 6: got Rex Kallamian, you know, now he can add to that.
Speaker 6: And so unfortunately, you know, some people have to have
Speaker 6: to go to bring new people in. And I feel
Speaker 6: for all those guys, but I think we all know,
Speaker 6: and including those guys who've gotta let go, that's just
Speaker 6: unfortunately the nature of the business.
Speaker 7: Chris said when he went out to dinner with you
Speaker 7: guys that when just watching you and Jeff, like that
Speaker 7: should have been a TV show in itself, that it
Speaker 7: was that good to watch you guys joust. What are
Speaker 7: the chances that we will ever get a Stan Van
Speaker 7: Gundy Jeff Van Gundy basketball podcast that just to me
Speaker 7: seems like a natural.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 6: Maybe at the time where we get to the time
Speaker 6: mark where no one else will employ us to coach
Speaker 6: or talk about basketball, maybe then we'll have to do
Speaker 6: it ourselves. But right now we've been lucky enough that
Speaker 6: other people will pay us, and we've been busy with
Speaker 6: other things.
Speaker 5: There would be a lot of back and forth and
Speaker 5: a lot of disagreement and probably at times a lot
Speaker 5: of yelling and screaming.
Speaker 4: And ain't that's that's exactly what it's like st that's
Speaker 4: exactly you would think they'll be so close there would
Speaker 4: be a lot of agreements.
Speaker 3: No, it's not, it's more than other way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, and here's the thing from my standpoint, Guys, like
Speaker 6: I think, when you're gonna get in something where there's
Speaker 6: a lot of disagreement, if you're gonna do that publicly,
Speaker 6: you would want to be the smarter guy in all
Speaker 6: of those things.
Speaker 5: And I'm not.
Speaker 6: So that's not that's not one. I don't mind the
Speaker 6: private back and forth. I don't think I want to.
Speaker 5: Go be getting my ass kicked publicly.
Speaker 2: He's that sharp.
Speaker 6: He's pretty sharp, but I mean and uh, pretty quick
Speaker 6: on his feet in one of the best basketball minds
Speaker 6: in the business. Look, I say this knowing full well
Speaker 6: I'm biased, but I'm really surprised that, you know, no
Speaker 6: one has gone out and gone after him as a
Speaker 6: head coach. I know it's been a long time, but look,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of great coaches in our business. I
Speaker 6: just don't think there's anybody better than.
Speaker 7: Him, your public personas like you guys came into our
Speaker 7: world as coaches and it's you know, to me, it's
Speaker 7: like if we would have known you guys as teenagers,
Speaker 7: Would you have struck us as future coaches? Does it
Speaker 7: go that far back that you feel like you were
Speaker 7: both born to do this.
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody's born to do it, Mark, but
Speaker 6: you would have known early on, because we're both pretty
Speaker 6: realistic number one, and I think we both realized early
Speaker 6: on that if we were going to have any future
Speaker 6: in basketball, and I have to be coaching, because it
Speaker 6: certainly wasn't gonna be players. So even though we both
Speaker 6: were able to play at the small college level, neither
Speaker 6: one of us thought, you know what, I think I
Speaker 6: could make some money play in this game someday.
Speaker 5: Now that wasn't a possibility. I grew up hoping.
Speaker 6: You know, when I was young, I thought, you know, man,
Speaker 6: I'd really love to be a baseball player. But when
Speaker 6: you hit under one hundred when you're thirteen years old,
Speaker 6: you know, like you start looking ahead.
Speaker 5: Going, yeah, I don't really see If.
Speaker 6: I went through the bios of the major league players,
Speaker 6: I just don't think i'd see too many guys ninety
Speaker 6: three when they were thirteen. So he started justing into
Speaker 6: another into another line of work pretty quick, and we
Speaker 6: grew up with a dad, who you know, coached for
Speaker 6: over forty years, so we were around it the whole time.
Speaker 5: And I think not only did we see somebody.
Speaker 6: Who loved his job and felt he never worked today
Speaker 6: in his life. We grew up around a lot of
Speaker 6: other coaches, and I think we both grew up I
Speaker 6: know we did.
Speaker 5: We both grew up.
Speaker 6: Both liking and respecting other coaches.
Speaker 5: So that's where we both always wanted to be.
Speaker 6: The fact that we were able to get to the
Speaker 6: level we did, I mean, that was just a lot
Speaker 6: of luck, and I think we both are still in
Speaker 6: shock that.
Speaker 4: We made it to the level that we did. That
Speaker 4: reminds me of myself. Baseball was my first love growing up.
Speaker 4: My dad was a big baseball fan. My dad's brother
Speaker 4: played semi pro baseball. I loved it. I just couldn't
Speaker 4: play it. And I was a decent hitter. When I
Speaker 4: say decent, I probably I'm probably bat in two twenty something,
Speaker 4: you know, decent.
Speaker 5: As a junior high school.
Speaker 4: But I couldn't play the outfield to save my life,
Speaker 4: meaning I couldn't judge the ball.
Speaker 3: Whenever bat pops off the ball, I could, I didn't,
Speaker 3: I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if going to go back or go
Speaker 4: go forward, like so there's no DH in junior high
Speaker 4: and high school.
Speaker 3: You can't be a day so there was no place
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 4: So that was that was kind of my movement when
Speaker 4: I realized, okay, basic league baseball is not going to
Speaker 4: be for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: My final baseball moment, Chris, I was thirteen years old.
Speaker 6: We were in the league championship game. I was hitting ninth,
Speaker 6: of course, and the guy ahead of me, we were down.
Speaker 6: We were down a run, and the guy ahead of
Speaker 6: me and eight doubled off the fence. So now we
Speaker 6: have the tying run on second base. I'm an I
Speaker 6: strike out on three fastballs right down the middle because
Speaker 6: nobody needed to screw around with me, like you know.
Speaker 6: They threw it down the middle three times. I swung
Speaker 6: and missed it all three and I was a competitive shit.
Speaker 5: And I got upset.
Speaker 6: I threw the back down, I threw my helmet down,
Speaker 6: and my coach walks by me.
Speaker 5: My manager walks by.
Speaker 6: And he said, I don't know what you're so upset about.
Speaker 6: You think you'd be used to it by now, And
Speaker 6: I said, okay, that's probably it now. That guy was
Speaker 6: like but I understand why didn't sign up to play
Speaker 6: the next year.
Speaker 5: I'm like, do you remember what.
Speaker 6: You said to me at the end of that you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: lost baseball baseball moment and then we were full time.
Speaker 5: Basketball started.
Speaker 4: Before we get off this coaching conversation, Stan has to
Speaker 4: tell this story that I make Hill tell other people
Speaker 4: about this story that Jeff Van Gonnie told about. You
Speaker 4: remember the series I believe it was nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 4: Alan Houston was It was Alan Houston that I believe
Speaker 4: it against Miami. The shot at the end where it
Speaker 4: bounces up, remember that stile.
Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, Stan, you take it away.
Speaker 6: Well, so what happened, Mark is actually my brother still
Speaker 6: will talk about this, even though most of the coaches
Speaker 6: you're talking to at clinics, you know, don't remember twenty
Speaker 6: five years ago.
Speaker 5: But just to make the point, and it is really
Speaker 5: a good one.
Speaker 6: I think at any level of basketball, if you're gonna
Speaker 6: get into coaching, you have to understand what it's all about.
Speaker 6: And Jeff talks about being in that series first round.
Speaker 6: I was assistant in Miami at the time, and Mark,
Speaker 6: you'll remember that New York was working behind the scenes
Speaker 6: trying to get Phil Jackson to come there and coach.
Speaker 6: So even though that they were saying after they didn't,
Speaker 6: they were actively pursuing Phil Jackson, We're going to fire
Speaker 6: my brother, the whole thing. And so here we are,
Speaker 6: Game seven, right at the end, Allen Houston shoots the ball,
Speaker 6: It hits the back rim, bunce is in the air,
Speaker 6: and my brother says, Okay, that balls up in the air,
Speaker 6: freeze right there.
Speaker 5: Good coach or bad coach.
Speaker 6: And that's what so much of coaching comes down to,
Speaker 6: you know, those moments because they started talking, then the
Speaker 6: ball bouncers through, they end up in the finals, they're
Speaker 6: talking about my brother's resilience and the knick three billions
Speaker 6: and that ball bounces out. They're just talking about, oh,
Speaker 6: he didn't get it done, and they've got to have
Speaker 6: a new coach. You have to understand that if you
Speaker 6: want to coach, even at the high school level, those
Speaker 6: are the moments that people are gonna judge you on,
Speaker 6: because quite honestly, it's hard to judge coaches. You're judging
Speaker 6: them on the result. And as a coach you have
Speaker 6: to you have to realize that, I mean, I had
Speaker 6: a moment when I was the head coach in Orlando.
Speaker 6: Actually the year we ended up going to the finals
Speaker 6: in two thousand and nine. We go down in that
Speaker 6: series three to two, and at one point in the series,
Speaker 6: I think it was game four, Yeah, it was game four.
Speaker 5: They tie up the series.
Speaker 6: We blitz Paul Pierce on the last play of the
Speaker 6: game because I've seen Paul Pierce kill us enough and
Speaker 6: kill other people enough. And Glynn big Baby Davis, not
Speaker 6: a great time to be bringing up his name, but
Speaker 6: blin big Baby Davis knocks down a jump shot, wide
Speaker 6: open shot to win the game. And they asked me
Speaker 6: afterwards was it the right move? And I said, well,
Speaker 6: obviously it wasn't the right move, because the right move
Speaker 6: gets the right result. We get judged on the result
Speaker 6: we lost. I said, but now if you want to
Speaker 6: ask the second question, would I.
Speaker 5: Do it again? Hell?
Speaker 6: Yes, because I'm not gonna get beat by Paul Pierce,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: And we ended up.
Speaker 6: Winning the series and moving on to the Conference finals
Speaker 6: and the and the whole thing. But you have to
Speaker 6: understand as a coach that you're judged on the result.
Speaker 6: And I think Jeff's illustration of ball in the air
Speaker 6: freeze it right there.
Speaker 5: You got your team the same shot you got them
Speaker 5: to that point.
Speaker 6: Now, whether you're a good coach or a bad coach
Speaker 6: depends on the bounce you get.
Speaker 5: That's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: If it bounces out. We need a new voice.
Speaker 5: This team is right, We need a new voice. And
Speaker 5: we're holding everybody accountable.
Speaker 6: Only one person's gonna lose his job, but we're all accountable.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 7: Let's say the phone rings tomorrow from Team X. What
Speaker 7: are the chances that they could talk you into doing
Speaker 7: this one more time?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Hell yes, Oh hell yes.
Speaker 6: Because again I think in the same thing with my brother,
Speaker 6: and I think, really, anybody who goes into it. You
Speaker 6: said it earlier, Mark, we know what it's all about.
Speaker 6: We know what's baked into this. That's what it's that's
Speaker 6: what it's all about.
Speaker 5: And so you get into it, and you do it
Speaker 5: again and again and again.
Speaker 6: If you get the opportunity because of the competitive challenge,
Speaker 6: because the camaraderie of being around a team, you know,
Speaker 6: you do it for a lot of other reasons. But
Speaker 6: you know damn well that that's possible. So you take
Speaker 6: the good with the bad. Now, what I don't think
Speaker 6: people really understand, you know, when fans are What I've
Speaker 6: tried to get across the fans is when you're calling
Speaker 6: for somebody to get fired. Listen, I don't expect any
Speaker 6: sympathy for a head coach.
Speaker 5: We make a lot of money, Like.
Speaker 6: You said, it's baked into it. But I don't think
Speaker 6: people understand and that there's a lot of other people
Speaker 6: who are making middle class salaries fifty thousand, sixty thousand,
Speaker 6: and seventy thousand that that head coach employed that are
Speaker 6: also going to lose their jobs.
Speaker 5: And I'm not asking for sympathy.
Speaker 6: Again, we all know what goes on, but I don't
Speaker 6: even think fans understand.
Speaker 5: Like they just say, Hey, that guy.
Speaker 6: You know, Frank Bogel's gonna walk away with a lot
Speaker 6: of money. Well guess what, his assistant video guy is
Speaker 6: not going to walk away with a lot of money.
Speaker 6: And so I just wish people wouldn't be quite as
Speaker 6: flippant about calling for people to be fired. When I
Speaker 6: went through it in Detroit, I was also the president.
Speaker 6: I had fifty people under me, and I had a
Speaker 6: lot of damn good people who were good professionals and
Speaker 6: good people who were just trying to support their families
Speaker 6: and stuff who were out of work. And I don't
Speaker 6: think fans realize that when they have the bloodlust, they do.
Speaker 5: To get rid of it, to get rid of guys.
Speaker 2: No, I totally hear you.
Speaker 7: And look, I don't want to make myself sound like
Speaker 7: a saint, but there was a situation earlier this week
Speaker 7: where I heard about some coaching changes with a Western
Speaker 7: Conference team, and it's like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 7: do I really want to do we really need to
Speaker 7: list these assistants who are not hugely public figures but
Speaker 7: they've lost their jobs.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it is. It's a I mean.
Speaker 7: Assistant coaching now is so ridiculously volatile.
Speaker 2: Like assistant coaching, you are.
Speaker 7: Literally going year to year almost unless you are you know,
Speaker 7: maybe it's different if you are the number one guy
Speaker 7: attached to a really marquee coach, but I mean, assistant
Speaker 7: coaching is just zero security at this point.
Speaker 6: Well, it's really it's just really hard. And what I
Speaker 6: say to people all the time, you know, if I'm
Speaker 6: talking especially to young coaches or guys that are out
Speaker 6: trying to get back in things like that, and this
Speaker 6: would apply I think to the.
Speaker 5: College level as where as well as the NBA level.
Speaker 6: I just say, look, I've been at this a long time,
Speaker 6: and I know for a fact there's far more good
Speaker 6: coaches than there are jobs. Whether we're talking head coaching
Speaker 6: jobs or assistant coaching jobs.
Speaker 5: There's a lot more good coaches than there are jobs.
Speaker 6: That's just the way it is, and it's really really competitive,
Speaker 6: and so if you're gonna be in this, you just
Speaker 6: got to accept the craziness for what it is.
Speaker 7: This might have already happened, because if I was in
Speaker 7: his position, I would certainly be calling you for advice.
Speaker 2: What do you do if your.
Speaker 7: Phone rings and JJ Reddick is asking you should I
Speaker 7: take a high profile coach job.
Speaker 2: In the NBA with no NBA experience?
Speaker 7: Like, what what would you suggest if he asked you
Speaker 7: or asked for your wisdom?
Speaker 6: Well, listen, I mean I think this probably with every opportunity, Mark,
Speaker 6: I'd probably be the same.
Speaker 5: And you know, in your business and everything.
Speaker 6: Else, it probably the ideal that wouldn't be the ideal
Speaker 6: path to becoming a head coach.
Speaker 5: The ideal path you would get some experience and everything else, but.
Speaker 6: You don't get to pick when your opportunities are going
Speaker 6: to come, and there's only thirty of these jobs. And
Speaker 6: so if he came to me and said, hey, I've
Speaker 6: got a chance at this.
Speaker 5: You know, I'd say jump at it. You know.
Speaker 6: Look, Jason Kidd did it right after his coaching career.
Speaker 5: Ended, and now he's bounced to his third job.
Speaker 6: But I always thought that Jason was a good coach.
Speaker 6: I don't think there is a There's not just one
Speaker 6: path to becoming a successful coach. And so there's guys
Speaker 6: out there that were never assistant. Steve Kerr was never
Speaker 6: an assistant. Then you've got Eric Spolster who came from
Speaker 6: the video room to the booth or to the bench
Speaker 6: and then was in it, you know, didn't get to
Speaker 6: the head coaching job. There's just not one path to
Speaker 6: get there. And so even if the path isn't ideal
Speaker 6: or it comes with certain challenges, if you get an opportunity,
Speaker 6: there's only thirty of these jobs, you got to take
Speaker 6: it when the opportunity comes.
Speaker 3: I have my last question on this coach, and I
Speaker 3: want to ask the style.
Speaker 4: Want to ask you about the playoffs stand So Stein
Speaker 4: brought in about how you know there's almost a built
Speaker 4: dance scapegoat clause into coaches contract, So I want to
Speaker 4: know how much should that escapegoat clause account for?
Speaker 3: Like it, since we already have a we already have us.
Speaker 5: You already know that the coach is going to be
Speaker 5: the first one to be let go.
Speaker 3: It seems like I should be public, all right.
Speaker 4: This coach gets this high profile NBA job, he has
Speaker 4: a two million dollar scapegoat.
Speaker 5: Well, look, Chris, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6: From what I've read, Frank's walking away with twenty plus
Speaker 6: million dollars.
Speaker 5: I don't know what Darvin's walking away with.
Speaker 6: But but listen, it is built into what we do
Speaker 6: as head coaches, and we.
Speaker 5: All walk away with pretty good money.
Speaker 6: Again, Like I look at stuff and I shake my
Speaker 6: head with the decisions are made. But I won't really
Speaker 6: talk about fairness because this is just the job. And
Speaker 6: if we want to get down to fairness, we also
Speaker 6: have to say, you know, why do you get six
Speaker 6: eight ten million dollars a year to coach an NBA
Speaker 6: team and teachers get sixty thousand to do something that's
Speaker 6: actually important? So fairness is out the window. You know,
Speaker 6: I don't worry about that. But the salary does build
Speaker 6: in and again that's why when these things come down,
Speaker 6: I do empathize with the coaches because I've been there.
Speaker 6: I empathize with them, but I sympathize with the guys
Speaker 6: Mark was talking about the assistant coaches, their families, and
Speaker 6: even lower down the totem pole, the player development guys,
Speaker 6: you know, the video people, all of those people who
Speaker 6: are out of work when a new regime comes in.
Speaker 6: That's who I reserve my sympathy for.
Speaker 7: So we're record this in the afternoon, so it's before
Speaker 7: the Friday night game, so it's kind of hard for
Speaker 7: us to dig into the action that's gonna unfold shortly
Speaker 7: after we wrap this up.
Speaker 2: But I did want to ask you.
Speaker 7: I know, you guys in particular, have been locked in
Speaker 7: on the Knicks and the Pacers, and you're you've been
Speaker 7: working in the East, I think really first round and
Speaker 7: second round. But Minnesota Denver going into this game three
Speaker 7: Friday night. Again, we're finishing this pod before that game
Speaker 7: is played. Butt what Minnesota has done in these first
Speaker 7: two games to discombobulate the Nuggets to win two games
Speaker 7: in Denver, which is just about as tough a place
Speaker 7: to play as there is on the NBA map. Just
Speaker 7: wanted to get your impressions about this Wolves team and
Speaker 7: are we do we actually have a new title favorite
Speaker 7: in the NBA right now?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 6: I mean, i'd say we certainly have a new Western
Speaker 6: Conference favorite maybe, but they and Boston would be the too.
Speaker 6: But what they have done to Denver, I'm with you,
Speaker 6: it's been absolutely incredible.
Speaker 5: And they even.
Speaker 6: Dominated Game two defensively without Rudy Gobert. I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: so you took the defensive player of the year out
Speaker 6: and you still frustrated the Denver Nuggets. And I think
Speaker 6: what's been amazing is the way they've been able to
Speaker 6: defend Yo Kitchen Murray like because Yo Kitchen Murray have
Speaker 6: proven over the years. These are two guys who have
Speaker 6: been able to raise their level in the playoffs. I mean,
Speaker 6: these are two of the best playoff performers we've had
Speaker 6: in the recent history.
Speaker 5: Of the NBA.
Speaker 6: They've got Yo Kic shooting forty two percent from the
Speaker 6: floor and turning the ball over eleven times in two games.
Speaker 5: And they got Murray.
Speaker 6: Averaging twelve and a half points on twenty eight percent.
Speaker 5: From the floor.
Speaker 6: That's phenomenal. And if you would have going into the series.
Speaker 5: That Edwards and Towns.
Speaker 6: Were going to totally outplay Yokichen Murray, somebody would have
Speaker 6: told you you were crazy. You would have been happy
Speaker 6: if they could have held their own And Anthony Edwards
Speaker 6: and Karl Anthony Towns are not only averaging thirty five
Speaker 6: and twenty three and a half, but they're both shooting
Speaker 6: over sixty percent from the floor. This has been total domination.
Speaker 6: And then the next factor, obviously is.
Speaker 5: The bench play.
Speaker 6: Minnesota with nas Reed and Nikhil Alexander Walker have been phenomenal.
Speaker 5: And that Denver bench, which we knew.
Speaker 6: All along was gonna be a problem, has really really
Speaker 6: struggled only thirty three points total in one hundred and
Speaker 6: seven minutes. So it's been domination. I mean, it's impossible
Speaker 6: to find an area a part of the game where
Speaker 6: you feel like Denver has been as good or better
Speaker 6: that gotten to the line twelve more times.
Speaker 5: I guess that's it. But it's been domination.
Speaker 6: Man, Minnesota has looked great, and that was after dominating
Speaker 6: Phoenix in the in the first round.
Speaker 5: So this is a great six game run so far.
Speaker 7: I didn't want to ask you about the coaching situation though,
Speaker 7: because I mean, I feel sick for Chris Finch not
Speaker 7: being able to you know, this is his moment. This
Speaker 7: is a guy who started coaching in England, which is
Speaker 7: by no means a basketball country. Can you I cannot
Speaker 7: remember that happening where a head coach got sustained an
Speaker 7: injury to the point that he could not stand at
Speaker 7: the front of the bench.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, it's terrible and I agree with you, especially with
Speaker 6: Chris Finch's journey and how long he had to work
Speaker 6: and wait to get this opportunity.
Speaker 5: And the unbelievable job he has done.
Speaker 6: The because I'm gonna say ninety percent of us in
Speaker 6: the NBA world when they decided to put the two
Speaker 6: big guys together go Bear in Towns didn't see it
Speaker 6: ever working. And it did work, and Chris Binch was
Speaker 6: the one to make it work. And they've done such
Speaker 6: a great job. He should be front and center right
Speaker 6: now where everybody could look at him. I will say,
Speaker 6: I don't know Chris real well. He doesn't seem to
Speaker 6: me like the type of guy who really cares, doesn't
Speaker 6: need to be out front. He just wants the team
Speaker 6: to win. It's certainly still his team. He's the guy
Speaker 6: in charge, and he and Mike and Nori are teaming
Speaker 6: up to do it very very well.
Speaker 5: Chris will get plenty of recognition, as he should.
Speaker 6: But yes, I feel for him not being to be
Speaker 6: out there in the front of the bench where everybody's
Speaker 6: where everybody's looking at him right now, because the job
Speaker 6: he's done is certainly front and center.
Speaker 4: Stan, We've been on the New York Pacers series and
Speaker 4: we don't have three and four ESPN, ABC do they
Speaker 4: have those two games?
Speaker 3: We have game five.
Speaker 4: If it gets to a game five, Stan, what was
Speaker 4: your experience like Game two? Reggie Miller's in the broadcast
Speaker 4: booth with you, and some chats started raining down towards
Speaker 4: the end of the game, and Josh Hart even came
Speaker 4: over and reiterated what the fans were saying.
Speaker 3: What was that.
Speaker 6: Experience like for you to be right there with Reggie?
Speaker 6: I mean, it was incredible. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 6: been at a game where a broadcaster was so front
Speaker 6: and center. I mean, you know, I think Pacers nicks
Speaker 6: the history of that Reggie being back, and like Reggie said,
Speaker 6: he'd been in that building as a broadcaster plenty of times,
Speaker 6: but not in a PACER's Knicks playoff game. And man,
Speaker 6: I certainly have never seen a broadcaster getting chanted.
Speaker 5: At like that.
Speaker 6: I mean, f you, Reggie, I mean and I guess
Speaker 6: Josh Hart was just worried that that maybe through the
Speaker 6: headsets we didn't hear it. He wanted to be clear,
Speaker 6: because to be clear, Josh didn't come over with any
Speaker 6: nalice in his mannerisms or his voice.
Speaker 5: He just hey, I just wanted to make sure you
Speaker 5: know what they're saying.
Speaker 6: It was unbelievable, but Reggie was a was a really
Speaker 6: good sport all night. And Reggie's not only a great broadcaster,
Speaker 6: not only was a great player, but he's one of
Speaker 6: the great ambassadors of the game, and I think he
Speaker 6: understands his role in promoting the NBA.
Speaker 5: So it was a.
Speaker 6: Lot of fun to be there. I'm sure you felt
Speaker 6: it too, you know, Brian sort of after orchestrated everything,
Speaker 6: Rian Anderson and then Reggie was there as the focal
Speaker 6: plane and we had a great game to go with too.
Speaker 5: Probably my most enjoyable.
Speaker 6: Night of U of broadcasting in UH in the four
Speaker 6: years I've done it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was about to ask did you feel safe
Speaker 4: that night sitting next to Reggie? I don't have to
Speaker 4: sit next to y'all.
Speaker 5: Coming. Yeah, I thought about, you know, I thought about.
Speaker 6: Wearing a helmet. I thought we might get some stuff
Speaker 6: thrown at us.
Speaker 5: But but we didn't, so that was okay.
Speaker 6: And we didn't have Reggie walk over with us Christy Arena.
Speaker 6: We walked ourselves so we didn't have to deal with that.
Speaker 6: We had to got to sneak Reggie into the building.
Speaker 6: So uh, but no, it was uh, it was a
Speaker 6: lot of fun and and Reggie's always uh always great
Speaker 6: to work with, as you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well stand man, I held you longer than
Speaker 4: I then I asked request it. I want to say
Speaker 4: thank you for for coming on man. I I enjoy
Speaker 4: I just want to tell you for first of all,
Speaker 4: I enjoy your friendship. I appreciate that, but I enjoy
Speaker 4: just hearing you talk hoops man. Like when we're in
Speaker 4: those meetings with the coaches before the game, sty and
Speaker 4: you was just here, Stan and Spostra whoever, They're just
Speaker 4: talking shop basketball, hoops this, and I was like, I
Speaker 4: just like listening and taking all that stuff in and
Speaker 4: on top of that is personality and everything.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: One thing about Stan. Stan doesn't bullshit anybody. He's gonna
Speaker 4: tell you what he sees, and oftentimes he's telling the coaches, no,
Speaker 4: that's not what's happening.
Speaker 3: This is what.
Speaker 6: Every once in a while, only if they asked, you know,
Speaker 6: like you didn't think we played hard and shit, no
Speaker 6: I didn't, you know.
Speaker 7: Now, those meetings are priceless, of course, ninety eight percent,
Speaker 7: which is not supposed to it's never supposed to leave
Speaker 7: the room, but.
Speaker 2: They are like on on radio.
Speaker 7: I got to go to some of those with Hubie
Speaker 7: and just watch Hubie hub grill some of these guys,
Speaker 7: which I always enjoyed. So yeah, now I'm sure I
Speaker 7: would love to see a Stanspo pregame coaches meeting session.
Speaker 6: Mark, I'm glad you brought Hubee up when I was coaching.
Speaker 6: He was absolutely the best in those meetings. I'll never forget.
Speaker 6: I had, you know, Dwayne Wade as a rookie and
Speaker 6: he had a great rookie year. We went to the
Speaker 6: second round, lost to Indiana. But Hubie would come in
Speaker 6: for those games and he would say, Stan, Dwayne Wade
Speaker 6: leads the NBA in turnovers.
Speaker 5: So I just like him, what are you gonna do
Speaker 5: about that? You know? Boy? You know he was the
Speaker 5: best because he was so prepared.
Speaker 6: He never he never came at you just with like
Speaker 6: some opinion off the top of his head.
Speaker 5: He drilled down on it. He'd watched he'd looked at
Speaker 5: the numbers.
Speaker 6: And he was gonna ask you the uh, the real
Speaker 6: deal on questions and stuff, and you knew you were
Speaker 6: gonna gonna have to be ready to answer him. So
Speaker 6: QB's one of the greats in the business, both as
Speaker 6: a coach and a broadcaster. Always appreciated talking to him.
Speaker 6: I still appreciate listening to him. I've always had great
Speaker 6: respect for the older guys, the guys that came before
Speaker 6: me in coaching, and I've learned a lot from QB.
Speaker 5: Brown over the years.
Speaker 6: Used to go to his training camps when he was
Speaker 6: with the next attended coaching.
Speaker 5: Clinics that he did.
Speaker 6: Great privilege to have been able to hear QUB Brown
Speaker 6: through the years.
Speaker 3: I'm going to end it with this, SBG.
Speaker 4: You know, obviously, as a sideline reporter, a part of
Speaker 4: my job is interviewing the coaches during the game, and
Speaker 4: a lot of times, depending on the game, and depending
Speaker 4: on the time and circumstance, that can be a tough task.
Speaker 4: At the end of the first quarter is pretty easy
Speaker 4: dealing with a coach. Not much, not much can go
Speaker 4: wrong in the first quarter. A lot of times it does,
Speaker 4: but not much. But the end of the third, going
Speaker 4: to that fourth, that's when the coaches really are trying
Speaker 4: to get get into their game plan. And so again
Speaker 4: it depends on I dictate, like at the end of
Speaker 4: the third quarter out you know, depending on if the
Speaker 4: coach went on a if the coach is on the
Speaker 4: wrong end of a ten to oh run to close
Speaker 4: that quarter off, I know that coach is not in
Speaker 4: the move to talk. So I mainly asked one question,
Speaker 4: but stay, I remember you told the story.
Speaker 3: I want to end it with that.
Speaker 4: I remember you told a story about your experiences and
Speaker 4: dealing with sideline reporters and how you had.
Speaker 3: To adapt over time. Can you talk about that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was probably the year we were
Speaker 6: going to the final in two thousand and nine and
Speaker 6: my brother was broadcasting for ABC, and you know, my
Speaker 6: brother just said to me, like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 6: you got to.
Speaker 5: Be better with least a salter.
Speaker 6: She was a sideline reporter said, you know, I know
Speaker 6: nobody likes to do those.
Speaker 5: He said, she knows nobody likes to do.
Speaker 6: Those, but it's her job. You owe her more respect
Speaker 6: and understand that. And it changed me for the rest
Speaker 6: of the time. I'm not saying I was always the
Speaker 6: best guy, like Michael Malone's probably the beast, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's fantastic.
Speaker 6: But the one thing with my brother is, you know
Speaker 6: you talked about me telling the truth my brother.
Speaker 5: You know, we all need people in our lives. I
Speaker 5: firmly believe this.
Speaker 6: You need people in your life who will tell you
Speaker 6: the truth, not just what you want to hear. And
Speaker 6: my brother's always been that guy for me. He just
Speaker 6: told me the truth, which was basically, you're being an asshole,
Speaker 6: Like you know, you don't need to be that short
Speaker 6: with the answers are rude. Answer her questions. That's her job.
Speaker 6: And I've tried to do that since because he, you know,
Speaker 6: just changed my perspective. And I think most guys in
Speaker 6: the media would say that. Through my years, I know
Speaker 6: I had my moments, but for the most time part
Speaker 6: I was good with the media because I had the
Speaker 6: appreciation that you know, everybody in the media has got
Speaker 6: their jobs to do too, and so you've got to
Speaker 6: give them the respect that they're due.
Speaker 5: And that was that moment.
Speaker 6: Changed me with those with those sideline reports, and you
Speaker 6: guys have tough jobs when you're doing that, and you're
Speaker 6: right the into the first quarter, no big deal, into
Speaker 6: the third quarter, you know. I remember one I had
Speaker 6: one interview Chris where we're down like eighteen and you
Speaker 6: know the cutoffs twenty down twenty.
Speaker 5: We don't do the interview, and I Forkid who was doing.
Speaker 6: The sideline, and I said, well, hell, the only thing
Speaker 6: that could have happened if we could have given up
Speaker 6: one more bucket, at least.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have to do that.
Speaker 6: So I mean, my god, if we're gonna get blown
Speaker 6: out anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Makes as bad as can But.
Speaker 6: I got better with those, and I got my brother,
Speaker 6: as I do for a lot of things.
Speaker 5: I've got my brother sent for that.
Speaker 7: We need that podcast someday, man, we need the world.
Speaker 2: According to the Van Gundy's.
Speaker 3: Podcast Classic, it will be a classic.
Speaker 6: I don't think it would be as good as you
Speaker 6: guys think. I think we became fridge sights all the time.
Speaker 5: Like, can you believe all the dumb crap these dude.
Speaker 3: Just said I would be a classic?
Speaker 4: And Stan has comed Stan is not the same Stan
Speaker 4: he was on social media.
Speaker 3: Years ago.
Speaker 6: No, No, my wife got me off social media and
Speaker 6: my mood has been better for the last two years.
Speaker 5: Social media when.
Speaker 6: You get into the political stuff, yeah, social media takes
Speaker 6: on a whole new thing. And I was just fighting
Speaker 6: and angry all the time. So now I still get angry.
Speaker 5: About political stuff, but it doesn't.
Speaker 6: Rub up because I'm not on there having people piss
Speaker 6: me off even more.
Speaker 4: No, I hear you stay social media, man, I don't
Speaker 4: want to get on that. That's another topic for another day.
Speaker 4: Thank you, brother. I see you got the sun out there.
Speaker 4: I see the palm trees breezing. Man, like God leda,
Speaker 4: I look so beautiful, man.
Speaker 5: This is what this is what I call work right here,
Speaker 5: this is beautiful. We'll stand.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you for coming on, man, we've been waiting
Speaker 4: for that. Thank you for your time. I hopefully will
Speaker 4: see you Game five in New York.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, thanks so much for doing it, and that'll do
Speaker 7: it for us.
Speaker 5: See you next time.
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