WEBVTT - #thisleague UNCUT: Stan Van Gundy! 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.520 Welcome to this League uncut in were the twenty four 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:05.480 hour NBA News. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:07.800 This is you. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:17.599 Chris Haynes's telling Mark Stein it's some time. This league 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.919 un cut is underway and on fire. This should be 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.000 a good one. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.479 Yes, indeed, this will be a great one. I should say. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.920 I told you, Stein Stein, I told you, I told 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:33.720 you for months. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.600 I said it's going to happen. It's going to happen. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.200 Everybody, Welcome back to hashtag this League uncut. I'm your host, 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.320 Chris Haynes and Mark stein Stein. I told you it 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.760 was going to happen, and it finally happened. It finally 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:55.480 did so, I'm pretty sure listeners asking what happened, what's 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.400 going on, I'm gonna tell you what was going on. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:03.240 I got stan Van Gunn himself. He's here available to 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.280 come on our podcast. I'm very excited. This is my 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.200 broadcast partner with T and T. You guys know him 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.960 as the legendary coach. But he's doing He's over there 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.800 in the broadcast booth with me. And I asked him 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.360 on the same day. I asked him on the same day, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.160 you know, and he came through. I know he has 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.880 a lot of things to do. But I appreciate him 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.920 for taking the time to join us. Stan, I appreciate 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.040 you brother, Thank you for coming on absolutely. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.560 Chris, anytime you know that for teammates, that's what you do. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:35.640 I appreciate that. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:36.199 Stein. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.280 I can't wait to hear what it's like to travel 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:39.560 with you. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:40.160 Mark. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.760 We don't end up traveling together much because you know, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.920 Chris coming from Sacramento and I'm coming from Florida. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.560 So we just connect when we get that. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.520 And Stan's taking us like he really takes care of 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:54.160 us on the road. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.800 He treated us to a suite at a baseball game 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.640 in San Francisco Giant Baseball game. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.160 It often takes us to dinner. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:04.320 I had the pleasure. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.320 Sine of joining him and his brother Jeff van Gunny 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:08.920 for dinner. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.200 We had dinner at well, what was that place? 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.000 Italian Place in Boston. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.440 Aria, Aria in Austin. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.720 Yeah, it was a PJ Carlistimo recommendation. And you can 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.320 never go wrong if PJ Carlismo's recommending. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.560 No, that is true, PJ. I've seen PJ now three 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.079 times in the playoffs. I got to work with him 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.840 at ESBN for years, and I know I love food 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.040 and I care about restaurants, but I don't think there 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:43.480 is anyone in the history of the sport who cares 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.760 more about the postgame meal than PJ Carlssimo. So if he, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.919 if he hooked you guys up, then it would had 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:50.400 to be good. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.440 Well it is, But Mark, I can't do the post 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.160 games with PJ. I don't know how you got with him. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.680 I mean, you know, PJ wants to go eat. It's 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.440 like I'm like. 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.520 Man, and that's early. I mean I remember an All 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.160 Star game. I remember an All Star game in New 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.200 Orleans and he had his kids with him who were 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.480 young at the time, and we must have you know, 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.839 every city in the league. PJ knows someone who will 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.800 keep their place open late for him, and it must 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.120 have been midnight when we sat down, and his kids 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.720 were ten and twelve. But no, there is there is 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.079 nothing that will stop coach Carlissimo from the postgame meal. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.960 No, there certainly is not one of the all time 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.800 great people in the game. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.600 Well, Stan again, thank you for coming on and join us. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.840 You know, we got some interesting playoff series going on, 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.640 and we're going to get to that. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.520 But I want to, I want to. I gotta touch 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.080 on these coaching. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.640 Moves that the Phoenix Sons and Los Angeles Lakers are 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.560 on the verge of making. But obviously we know they 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.720 let go at Darby Ham after two seasons, Phoenix Sons. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.600 Let go of Frank Vogel after. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:06.320 One season, and the Suns are bringing on coach Buenholzer. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.720 Your I guess your initial thoughts on that move. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.240 Well, the on the Phoenix thing, I mean, you know, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.880 I think what always sort of gets me is if 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:28.760 you look at the organizations that have success consistently in 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.760 the league, continuity is a big part of it. And 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.719 so you look at Miami and people say, oh, well, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.200 they always win, that's why they've had Sposter for as 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.280 long as they have, But that's not true. Before they 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.000 went to the finals in the Bubble, they had missed 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.440 the playoffs, what three out of four, three out of 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:49.279 five years. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.200 But they don't just make a move. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.400 They understand that continuity helps you you stay on the 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.760 same page with the type of players you want and 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.960 the players that will fit the coach and fit the organization. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:07.720 And as much as. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:12.719 People see how continuity works, they had some disappointing years 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.919 in Denver, they stuck with Michael Malone. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.560 They stuck with their key players. It got better. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.800 No matter how many times people see it work, most 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.719 of the people twenty seven to twenty eight teams in 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.640 the league can't figure it out, and so they just 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:31.520 keep changing. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.560 And so now the Phoenix Sun's. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:39.520 Third coach in three years, and we'll see if Mike 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.239 Budenholzer can make it to game one of his second 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.360 year with Phoenix, which would make him. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.000 Matdishbia's longest lasting yet. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.640 You know. But here's the thing, Listen, I don't have 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.919 any problem. They pay us a lot of money to 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.880 coach in this league. Owners front offices have every right 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.080 to make a change whenever they want. But please spare 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.920 me the ba that James Jones came out with saying 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.640 we all have accountability here. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:18.159 I read that and I said, oh really, James, So explain. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.479 To me what your accountability looks like for putting together 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.719 a roster with no point guard, no defensive stopper. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.840 I just like, explain to. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.640 Me what your accountability looks like, because you still have 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.200 a job. Explain to me what the rest of the 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.520 front office is accountability looks like. Explain to me what 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.400 Matt Ishby's accountability. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.160 Looks like that was a BS line. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.720 One guy was held accountable, one guy that was it, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.640 no one else was held accountable. And then with Darvin Ham, look, 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:57.200 I mean he took him to the Western Conference finals 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.960 in his first year, a big over achievement I think 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.440 in the minds of most of us. And then this 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.760 year they went into the playoffs and gave Denver a 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.760 great first round series. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.360 I know, it only went five games. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.600 I don't think I've ever seen a team losing five 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.000 games in a series where they led for over seventy 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.560 percent of the minute. So, look, expectations are what they are. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:22.320 In LA. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.360 They fired Frank Bogel two years after winning a championship. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.480 So those guys both got caught in two of the 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:38.720 crazier situations in this league. But they both take a 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.840 lot of money home with them, deservedly so, and I 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.440 hope they both get opportunities going forward. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.320 Yeah, it's interesting when you mentioned the money, because I 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.640 think there is a perspective out there now, or a 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.520 viewpoint that suggests that part of the reason your salaries 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.120 are on the rise is because the blame is baked in. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.520 I mean, I don't know how fair that is. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.800 It cannot be a fun experience when you're actually doing 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.160 the job and you know it. But it just it 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:12.680 almost seems like the blame is factored into the contracts 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.960 that are being handed out today, that coaches know that 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.240 they're the first person in line who is going to 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.120 get the blame when things go awry. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:22.680 Yeah, and you. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.800 Know what, I don't even looked at it really mark 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:30.480 as a as a fairness issue. I mean, professional sports 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:35.680 aren't about fairness. Like I said, The thing I mainly 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.240 objected to was the BS statement that Phoenix put out. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.600 But fairness doesn't really enter into it. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:50.360 What I wonder about is the people who constantly make 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.679 coaching changes. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.199 Just somebody please explain to. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.720 Me or show me where that has worked. I mean 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:04.480 it doesn't. People who stick with people. I'm not saying forever, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.360 but stick with people and have some continuity. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.319 Look, I've talked to a lot of NBA scouts. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.680 It's a lot easier to go out there and do 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.800 your job when you sort of know what your team 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.400 is looking for, what's our style of play going to be, 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.200 who's going to get playing time with that particular coach. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.199 I think the New York Knicks have done a tremendous 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.640 job of putting players on. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.880 Their roster that fit with Tom Thibodeau. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.520 I think the Miami Heat always does a good job 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.760 of putting people on their roster that fit with Eric Spolstra. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.920 You know, the Denver Nuggets know who they want to 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.360 put with Michael Malone and with Nikola Jokic. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.280 I don't know how you do your job as a front. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.840 Officer as a scout where you went out and you said, hey, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.760 this guy would be a good fit, and then you say, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.000 oh no, now we're going in a different direction. Oh 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.720 now we're going in a different direction. It's hard for 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:05.320 your organization to be successful, and yet owners in front 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.200 offices just keep doing it. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.200 So fairness aside. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.720 To me, it's about being successful and being about making 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.400 moves that makes sense. And I don't see how any 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.679 of this does a lot of times, let's face it, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.160 it's a cover your ass move. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:23.679 Just screwed up. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.680 As a front office, you didn't put a good enough 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.240 roster together, and rather than working on that and making 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.640 your roster better, it's just easier to. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.800 Avoid blame and blame the head coach. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.680 That Phoenix roster from day one wasn't about fit. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:42.520 It was about going out. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.760 And getting the biggest names possible to put on the 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.400 back of their uniforms. I mean, look, they thought they 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:54.559 were contenders. Who are the other contending teams. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:54.800 That don't have a point guard? 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.400 Who are the other contending teams where you can't name 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.160 a defensive stopper in their starting lineup. It was a 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.840 ridiculous roster they put together, and they held their head 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.320 coach accountable. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.600 Makes no sense. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:15.000 Yeah, I have reported that Vogel wanted a point guard, 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.520 one of they starting point guard on that roster, but 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.920 the front office felt like that will be taking the 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.120 ball away from taking the ball away from KD. Devin 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.280 Booker and Bradley Beal felt like they needed the ball 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:27.800 in their hands. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.559 That was their explanation. Yeah, it didn't. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.960 Work, and so Frank got held accountable because you know, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:39.120 we certainly have not seen over the last few years 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:44.120 with Jamal Murray and Steph Curry and guys like that, 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.480 that the point guard would be important. I mean, we've 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.880 never we've never really seen the importance of that position 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:50.680 in the NBA. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:56.040 Well, and it also seems like, you know, relationships with 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.960 your star players like that is always it's probably being 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.880 more prioritize now than ever. So to my knowledge, I 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.040 don't think Mike Budenholzer has worked with Durant or Booker 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.560 or Beal in the past, so he's really walking in 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.640 there totally fresh. How hard is that for a coach 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:19.560 to go into a new organization with you know, ownership 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.880 is talking championship or bust. Obviously they've spent a bazillion 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.120 dollars on the roster. They don't have flexibility to make changes. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.840 How hard is that just for a coach to walk 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.520 into a new program and start from scratch. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.920 Yeah, I mean it's never easy, Mark. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.960 I mean, you know, you're getting to know new players 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.959 and you've got to get the pieces to fit together. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.440 You've got to get buy in from your key guys. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.640 But look, every coaching situation has challenges, and you'd certainly 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.960 rather go into a situation even that has challenges, but 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.040 it at least has talent than not having talent. So 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.520 Mike Budenholzer has dealt with that obviously with Giannis in 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.800 Milwaukee and the whole thing. And I mean, we want 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.760 to get into ridiculous coaching hires and fires. We don't 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.440 need to go any further than the Milwaukee Bucks, who 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.880 who got rid of Mike Budenholzer because they lost in 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.120 the first round with Yannis hurt, so they went out 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.800 and hired a guy who went thirty and thirteen, made 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.439 a coaching change there, and Yannis. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:25.839 Got hurt again. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.840 I mean, look, it's almost like you can't make this 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:34.439 stuff up. So Mike Budenholzer is a great coach, and 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.040 we'll do a. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:35.839 Hell of a job. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.560 But I've seen great coaches in this league, and I've 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.120 yet to see a miracle worker. And I've yet to 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:50.240 see anybody win win a championship with a roster that 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.800 wasn't good enough. So you know, his job there will 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.120 be to maximize what he has. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.120 Whoever has the Lakers, same job. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.280 It's what it always maximize what you've got, which is 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:03.240 all you can. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.760 Do as a coach, and that will never supersede the 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.760 roster itself. Coach. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.520 I did a bleacher Report live stream just before we 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.959 hopped on this podcast, and you know, I was reported 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.520 Jalen Brunston is going to play tonight. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.080 You know we worked the game where he heard his foot. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.080 But another one of my reports was I reported Doc 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:33.440 Rivers dismissed a few assistant coaches recently. Those assistants were 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:39.680 Josh Oppenheimer, DJ Baker and Sydney Dobner. And could you 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.960 talk about have you ever been in a situation where 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.520 you had to relieve some assistants that weren't on your 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.760 original like that they were holdovers from a previous coaching regimen, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:52.840 And what is that process? 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:52.960 Like? 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.720 I know people saw that and they might not understand, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:00.200 but this is Doc's this is Doc fine. They get 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.080 an opportunity to bring in his own staff. He just 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.720 talk about that type of transition. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:05.800 Yeah, that's it. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:10.640 I mean I don't think that was necessarily Doc, you know, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.200 not thinking guys were any good. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.120 I mean most of us, at least of us. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.320 Older guys who go on the old formula where you 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.480 get to hire your own staff, you. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.480 Know, you have you wanna want to have. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.000 And I think that's what Doc was. And the only 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.400 thing that's different about this is he came in mid season, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.560 so he couldn't dismiss everybody then, so he had to 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.880 sort of make it work with the guys he had. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.720 Now they're in a position where he can create his 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.880 own staff, you know, around he's got Dave Jeger. He's 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.120 got Rex Kallamian, you know, now he can add to that. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:54.400 And so unfortunately, you know, some people have to have 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.520 to go to bring new people in. And I feel 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.400 for all those guys, but I think we all know, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.240 and including those guys who've gotta let go, that's just 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.680 unfortunately the nature of the business. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.360 Chris said when he went out to dinner with you 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.760 guys that when just watching you and Jeff, like that 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.360 should have been a TV show in itself, that it 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.000 was that good to watch you guys joust. What are 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.120 the chances that we will ever get a Stan Van 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.280 Gundy Jeff Van Gundy basketball podcast that just to me 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:27.440 seems like a natural. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:29.800 Yeah, you know, I don't. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.720 Maybe at the time where we get to the time 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:40.760 mark where no one else will employ us to coach 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.520 or talk about basketball, maybe then we'll have to do 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.200 it ourselves. But right now we've been lucky enough that 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.640 other people will pay us, and we've been busy with 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:51.520 other things. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.960 There would be a lot of back and forth and 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.720 a lot of disagreement and probably at times a lot 0:16:58.760 --> 0:16:59.800 of yelling and screaming. 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.119 And ain't that's that's exactly what it's like st that's 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.920 exactly you would think they'll be so close there would 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.360 be a lot of agreements. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:14.080 No, it's not, it's more than other way. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:15.720 Yeah. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:20.159 Look, and here's the thing from my standpoint, Guys, like 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.600 I think, when you're gonna get in something where there's 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.400 a lot of disagreement, if you're gonna do that publicly, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.440 you would want to be the smarter guy in all 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.160 of those things. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:34.679 And I'm not. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.320 So that's not that's not one. I don't mind the 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.679 private back and forth. I don't think I want to. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.960 Go be getting my ass kicked publicly. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:47.159 He's that sharp. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.240 He's pretty sharp, but I mean and uh, pretty quick 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.800 on his feet in one of the best basketball minds 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.320 in the business. Look, I say this knowing full well 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:04.400 I'm biased, but I'm really surprised that, you know, no 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:09.760 one has gone out and gone after him as a 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.760 head coach. I know it's been a long time, but look, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.879 there's a lot of great coaches in our business. I 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.680 just don't think there's anybody better than. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:29.120 Him, your public personas like you guys came into our 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.000 world as coaches and it's you know, to me, it's 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.720 like if we would have known you guys as teenagers, 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.040 Would you have struck us as future coaches? Does it 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.840 go that far back that you feel like you were 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.760 both born to do this. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.320 I don't think anybody's born to do it, Mark, but 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.320 you would have known early on, because we're both pretty 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:55.199 realistic number one, and I think we both realized early 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.640 on that if we were going to have any future 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.520 in basketball, and I have to be coaching, because it 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.040 certainly wasn't gonna be players. So even though we both 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.080 were able to play at the small college level, neither 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:09.800 one of us thought, you know what, I think I 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.080 could make some money play in this game someday. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.159 Now that wasn't a possibility. I grew up hoping. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.120 You know, when I was young, I thought, you know, man, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.560 I'd really love to be a baseball player. But when 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.359 you hit under one hundred when you're thirteen years old, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.480 you know, like you start looking ahead. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.680 Going, yeah, I don't really see If. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.280 I went through the bios of the major league players, 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.280 I just don't think i'd see too many guys ninety 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:40.240 three when they were thirteen. So he started justing into 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.679 another into another line of work pretty quick, and we 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.600 grew up with a dad, who you know, coached for 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.600 over forty years, so we were around it the whole time. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.720 And I think not only did we see somebody. 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:58.480 Who loved his job and felt he never worked today 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.399 in his life. We grew up around a lot of 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.800 other coaches, and I think we both grew up I 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:04.320 know we did. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.359 We both grew up. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.600 Both liking and respecting other coaches. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.399 So that's where we both always wanted to be. 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.960 The fact that we were able to get to the 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.920 level we did, I mean, that was just a lot 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.719 of luck, and I think we both are still in 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:26.800 shock that. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:31.159 We made it to the level that we did. That 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.520 reminds me of myself. Baseball was my first love growing up. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.919 My dad was a big baseball fan. My dad's brother 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:43.439 played semi pro baseball. I loved it. I just couldn't 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.919 play it. And I was a decent hitter. When I 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:52.679 say decent, I probably I'm probably bat in two twenty something, 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.720 you know, decent. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:55.639 As a junior high school. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.560 But I couldn't play the outfield to save my life, 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.240 meaning I couldn't judge the ball. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.080 Whenever bat pops off the ball, I could, I didn't, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:05.600 I couldn't. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.320 I didn't know if going to go back or go 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.600 go forward, like so there's no DH in junior high 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:13.200 and high school. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.840 You can't be a day so there was no place 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:18.119 for me. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.200 So that was that was kind of my movement when 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.240 I realized, okay, basic league baseball is not going to 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:23.639 be for me. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:24.720 Yeah. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.400 My final baseball moment, Chris, I was thirteen years old. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.159 We were in the league championship game. I was hitting ninth, 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.760 of course, and the guy ahead of me, we were down. 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.560 We were down a run, and the guy ahead of 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.080 me and eight doubled off the fence. So now we 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.000 have the tying run on second base. I'm an I 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.600 strike out on three fastballs right down the middle because 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.159 nobody needed to screw around with me, like you know. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.399