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Speaker 1: Welcome to this League uncut in were the twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour NBA News.

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Speaker 2: This is you.

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Speaker 1: Chris Haynes's telling Mark Stein it's some time. This league

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Speaker 1: un cut is underway and on fire. This should be

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Speaker 1: a good one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, this will be a great one. I should say.

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Speaker 4: I told you, Stein Stein, I told you, I told

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Speaker 4: you for months.

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Speaker 3: I said it's going to happen. It's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, Welcome back to hashtag this League uncut. I'm your host,

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Speaker 4: Chris Haynes and Mark stein Stein. I told you it

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Speaker 4: was going to happen, and it finally happened. It finally

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Speaker 4: did so, I'm pretty sure listeners asking what happened, what's

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Speaker 4: going on, I'm gonna tell you what was going on.

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Speaker 4: I got stan Van Gunn himself. He's here available to

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Speaker 4: come on our podcast. I'm very excited. This is my

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Speaker 4: broadcast partner with T and T. You guys know him

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Speaker 4: as the legendary coach. But he's doing He's over there

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Speaker 4: in the broadcast booth with me. And I asked him

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Speaker 4: on the same day. I asked him on the same day,

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Speaker 4: you know, and he came through. I know he has

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Speaker 4: a lot of things to do. But I appreciate him

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Speaker 4: for taking the time to join us. Stan, I appreciate

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Speaker 4: you brother, Thank you for coming on absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Chris, anytime you know that for teammates, that's what you do.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Stein.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what it's like to travel

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 6: We don't end up traveling together much because you know,

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Speaker 6: Chris coming from Sacramento and I'm coming from Florida.

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Speaker 5: So we just connect when we get that.

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Speaker 3: And Stan's taking us like he really takes care of

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Speaker 3: us on the road.

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Speaker 4: He treated us to a suite at a baseball game

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Speaker 4: in San Francisco Giant Baseball game.

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Speaker 3: It often takes us to dinner.

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Speaker 5: I had the pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Sine of joining him and his brother Jeff van Gunny

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Speaker 4: for dinner.

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Speaker 5: We had dinner at well, what was that place?

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Speaker 3: Italian Place in Boston.

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Speaker 5: Aria, Aria in Austin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a PJ Carlistimo recommendation. And you can

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Speaker 6: never go wrong if PJ Carlismo's recommending.

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Speaker 7: No, that is true, PJ. I've seen PJ now three

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Speaker 7: times in the playoffs. I got to work with him

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Speaker 7: at ESBN for years, and I know I love food

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Speaker 7: and I care about restaurants, but I don't think there

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Speaker 7: is anyone in the history of the sport who cares

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Speaker 7: more about the postgame meal than PJ Carlssimo. So if he,

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Speaker 7: if he hooked you guys up, then it would had

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Speaker 5: Well it is, But Mark, I can't do the post

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Speaker 5: games with PJ. I don't know how you got with him.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, PJ wants to go eat. It's

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Speaker 7: Man, and that's early. I mean I remember an All

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Speaker 7: Star game. I remember an All Star game in New

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Speaker 7: Orleans and he had his kids with him who were

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Speaker 7: young at the time, and we must have you know,

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Speaker 7: every city in the league. PJ knows someone who will

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Speaker 7: keep their place open late for him, and it must

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Speaker 7: have been midnight when we sat down, and his kids

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Speaker 7: were ten and twelve. But no, there is there is

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Speaker 7: nothing that will stop coach Carlissimo from the postgame meal.

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Speaker 6: No, there certainly is not one of the all time

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Speaker 5: Well, Stan again, thank you for coming on and join us.

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Speaker 4: You know, we got some interesting playoff series going on,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to get to that.

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Speaker 3: But I want to, I want to. I gotta touch

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Speaker 4: Moves that the Phoenix Sons and Los Angeles Lakers are

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Speaker 4: on the verge of making. But obviously we know they

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Speaker 4: let go at Darby Ham after two seasons, Phoenix Sons.

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Speaker 3: Let go of Frank Vogel after.

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Speaker 4: One season, and the Suns are bringing on coach Buenholzer.

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Speaker 3: Your I guess your initial thoughts on that move.

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Speaker 6: Well, the on the Phoenix thing, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: I think what always sort of gets me is if

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Speaker 6: long as they have, But that's not true. Before they

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Speaker 6: the playoffs, what three out of four, three out of

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Speaker 5: But they don't just make a move.

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Speaker 6: They understand that continuity helps you you stay on the

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Speaker 6: same page with the type of players you want and

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Speaker 6: the players that will fit the coach and fit the organization.

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Speaker 5: And as much as.

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Speaker 6: People see how continuity works, they had some disappointing years

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Speaker 5: They stuck with their key players. It got better.

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Speaker 6: No matter how many times people see it work, most

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Speaker 5: And so now the Phoenix Sun's.

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Speaker 6: Third coach in three years, and we'll see if Mike

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Speaker 6: Budenholzer can make it to game one of his second

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Speaker 5: Matdishbia's longest lasting yet.

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Speaker 6: You know. But here's the thing, Listen, I don't have

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Speaker 6: coach in this league. Owners front offices have every right

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Speaker 6: to make a change whenever they want. But please spare

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Speaker 6: me the ba that James Jones came out with saying

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Speaker 6: we all have accountability here.

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Speaker 5: I read that and I said, oh really, James, So explain.

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Speaker 6: To me what your accountability looks like for putting together

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Speaker 5: I just like, explain to.

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Speaker 6: Me what your accountability looks like, because you still have

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Speaker 6: a job. Explain to me what the rest of the

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Speaker 6: front office is accountability looks like. Explain to me what

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Speaker 6: Matt Ishby's accountability.

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Speaker 5: Looks like that was a BS line.

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Speaker 6: One guy was held accountable, one guy that was it,

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Speaker 6: no one else was held accountable. And then with Darvin Ham, look,

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Speaker 6: I mean he took him to the Western Conference finals

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Speaker 6: great first round series.

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Speaker 5: I know, it only went five games.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I've ever seen a team losing five

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Speaker 5: In LA.

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Speaker 6: They fired Frank Bogel two years after winning a championship.

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Speaker 6: So those guys both got caught in two of the

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Speaker 6: crazier situations in this league. But they both take a

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Speaker 6: lot of money home with them, deservedly so, and I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting when you mentioned the money, because I

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Speaker 7: are on the rise is because the blame is baked in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how fair that is.

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Speaker 7: It cannot be a fun experience when you're actually doing

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Speaker 7: the job and you know it. But it just it

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Speaker 7: almost seems like the blame is factored into the contracts

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Speaker 7: that are being handed out today, that coaches know that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you.

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Speaker 6: Know what, I don't even looked at it really mark

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Speaker 6: as a as a fairness issue. I mean, professional sports

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Speaker 6: aren't about fairness. Like I said, The thing I mainly

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Speaker 6: objected to was the BS statement that Phoenix put out.

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Speaker 5: But fairness doesn't really enter into it.

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Speaker 6: What I wonder about is the people who constantly make

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Speaker 5: Just somebody please explain to.

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Speaker 6: Me or show me where that has worked. I mean

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Speaker 6: it doesn't. People who stick with people. I'm not saying forever,

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Speaker 6: but stick with people and have some continuity.

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Speaker 5: Look, I've talked to a lot of NBA scouts.

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Speaker 6: It's a lot easier to go out there and do

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Speaker 6: your job when you sort of know what your team

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Speaker 6: is looking for, what's our style of play going to be,

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Speaker 6: who's going to get playing time with that particular coach.

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Speaker 6: I think the New York Knicks have done a tremendous

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Speaker 5: Their roster that fit with Tom Thibodeau.

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Speaker 6: I think the Miami Heat always does a good job

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Speaker 6: You know, the Denver Nuggets know who they want to

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Speaker 6: put with Michael Malone and with Nikola Jokic.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you do your job as a front.

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Speaker 6: Officer as a scout where you went out and you said, hey,

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Speaker 6: oh no, now we're going in a different direction. Oh

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Speaker 6: now we're going in a different direction. It's hard for

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Speaker 5: So fairness aside.

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Speaker 6: To me, it's about being successful and being about making

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Speaker 5: Just screwed up.

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Speaker 6: As a front office, you didn't put a good enough

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Speaker 5: Avoid blame and blame the head coach.

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Speaker 6: That Phoenix roster from day one wasn't about fit.

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Speaker 5: It was about going out.

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Speaker 6: And getting the biggest names possible to put on the

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Speaker 6: were contenders. Who are the other contending teams.

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Speaker 5: That don't have a point guard?

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Speaker 6: Who are the other contending teams where you can't name

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Speaker 6: a defensive stopper in their starting lineup. It was a

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Speaker 6: ridiculous roster they put together, and they held their head

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Speaker 6: coach accountable.

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Speaker 5: Makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have reported that Vogel wanted a point guard,

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Speaker 4: one of they starting point guard on that roster, but

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Speaker 4: the front office felt like that will be taking the

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Speaker 4: ball away from taking the ball away from KD. Devin

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Speaker 3: That was their explanation. Yeah, it didn't.

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Speaker 6: Work, and so Frank got held accountable because you know,

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Speaker 6: we certainly have not seen over the last few years

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Speaker 6: with Jamal Murray and Steph Curry and guys like that,

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Speaker 6: that the point guard would be important. I mean, we've

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Speaker 6: never we've never really seen the importance of that position

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Speaker 7: Well, and it also seems like, you know, relationships with

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Speaker 7: more prioritize now than ever. So to my knowledge, I

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Speaker 7: don't think Mike Budenholzer has worked with Durant or Booker

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Speaker 7: or Beal in the past, so he's really walking in

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Speaker 7: there totally fresh. How hard is that for a coach

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Speaker 7: to go into a new organization with you know, ownership

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Speaker 7: is talking championship or bust. Obviously they've spent a bazillion

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Speaker 3: No, it's not, it's more than other way.

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Speaker 6: I don't think anybody's born to do it, Mark, but

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Speaker 6: My final baseball moment, Chris, I was thirteen years old.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, do you remember what.

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Speaker 4: Before we get off this coaching conversation, Stan has to

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Speaker 4: about this story that Jeff Van Gonnie told about. You

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Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, Stan, you take it away.

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Speaker 6: Well, so what happened, Mark is actually my brother still

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Speaker 6: I think at any level of basketball, if you're gonna

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Speaker 6: And Jeff talks about being in that series first round.

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Speaker 6: And that's what so much of coaching comes down to,

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Speaker 6: talking about my brother's resilience and the knick three billions

448
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 6: and that ball bounces out. They're just talking about, oh,

449
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Speaker 6: he didn't get it done, and they've got to have

450
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Speaker 6: a new coach. You have to understand that if you

451
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Speaker 6: want to coach, even at the high school level, those

452
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Speaker 6: are the moments that people are gonna judge you on,

453
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 6: because quite honestly, it's hard to judge coaches. You're judging

454
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Speaker 6: them on the result. And as a coach you have

455
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Speaker 6: to you have to realize that, I mean, I had

456
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Speaker 6: a moment when I was the head coach in Orlando.

457
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Speaker 6: Actually the year we ended up going to the finals

458
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Speaker 6: in two thousand and nine. We go down in that

459
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Speaker 6: series three to two, and at one point in the series,

460
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Speaker 6: I think it was game four, Yeah, it was game four.

461
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Speaker 5: They tie up the series.

462
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Speaker 6: We blitz Paul Pierce on the last play of the

463
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Speaker 6: game because I've seen Paul Pierce kill us enough and

464
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Speaker 6: kill other people enough. And Glynn big Baby Davis, not

465
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Speaker 6: a great time to be bringing up his name, but

466
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Speaker 6: blin big Baby Davis knocks down a jump shot, wide

467
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Speaker 6: open shot to win the game. And they asked me

468
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Speaker 6: afterwards was it the right move? And I said, well,

469
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Speaker 6: obviously it wasn't the right move, because the right move

470
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Speaker 6: gets the right result. We get judged on the result

471
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Speaker 6: we lost. I said, but now if you want to

472
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Speaker 6: ask the second question, would I.

473
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Speaker 5: Do it again? Hell?

474
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Speaker 6: Yes, because I'm not gonna get beat by Paul Pierce,

475
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Speaker 6: you know.

476
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Speaker 5: And we ended up.

477
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Speaker 6: Winning the series and moving on to the Conference finals

478
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Speaker 6: and the and the whole thing. But you have to

479
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Speaker 6: understand as a coach that you're judged on the result.

480
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Speaker 6: And I think Jeff's illustration of ball in the air

481
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Speaker 6: freeze it right there.

482
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Speaker 5: You got your team the same shot you got them

483
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Speaker 5: to that point.

484
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Speaker 6: Now, whether you're a good coach or a bad coach

485
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Speaker 6: depends on the bounce you get.

486
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Speaker 5: That's the way it goes.

487
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Speaker 2: If it bounces out. We need a new voice.

488
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Speaker 5: This team is right, We need a new voice. And

489
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Speaker 5: we're holding everybody accountable.

490
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Speaker 6: Only one person's gonna lose his job, but we're all accountable.

491
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Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

492
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Speaker 7: Let's say the phone rings tomorrow from Team X. What

493
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Speaker 7: are the chances that they could talk you into doing

494
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Speaker 7: this one more time?

495
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Speaker 6: Oh?

496
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Speaker 3: Hell yes, Oh hell yes.

497
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Speaker 6: Because again I think in the same thing with my brother,

498
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Speaker 6: and I think, really, anybody who goes into it. You

499
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 6: said it earlier, Mark, we know what it's all about.

500
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 6: We know what's baked into this. That's what it's that's

501
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Speaker 6: what it's all about.

502
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Speaker 5: And so you get into it, and you do it

503
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Speaker 5: again and again and again.

504
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Speaker 6: If you get the opportunity because of the competitive challenge,

505
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 6: because the camaraderie of being around a team, you know,

506
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 6: you do it for a lot of other reasons. But

507
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 6: you know damn well that that's possible. So you take

508
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Speaker 6: the good with the bad. Now, what I don't think

509
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 6: people really understand, you know, when fans are What I've

510
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 6: tried to get across the fans is when you're calling

511
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Speaker 6: for somebody to get fired. Listen, I don't expect any

512
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 6: sympathy for a head coach.

513
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Speaker 5: We make a lot of money, Like.

514
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Speaker 6: You said, it's baked into it. But I don't think

515
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 6: people understand and that there's a lot of other people

516
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 6: who are making middle class salaries fifty thousand, sixty thousand,

517
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 6: and seventy thousand that that head coach employed that are

518
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: also going to lose their jobs.

519
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Speaker 5: And I'm not asking for sympathy.

520
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 6: Again, we all know what goes on, but I don't

521
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 6: even think fans understand.

522
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: Like they just say, Hey, that guy.

523
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Speaker 6: You know, Frank Bogel's gonna walk away with a lot

524
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Speaker 6: of money. Well guess what, his assistant video guy is

525
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: not going to walk away with a lot of money.

526
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Speaker 6: And so I just wish people wouldn't be quite as

527
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 6: flippant about calling for people to be fired. When I

528
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 6: went through it in Detroit, I was also the president.

529
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Speaker 6: I had fifty people under me, and I had a

530
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 6: lot of damn good people who were good professionals and

531
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Speaker 6: good people who were just trying to support their families

532
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 6: and stuff who were out of work. And I don't

533
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 6: think fans realize that when they have the bloodlust, they do.

534
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: To get rid of it, to get rid of guys.

535
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: No, I totally hear you.

536
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Speaker 7: And look, I don't want to make myself sound like

537
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Speaker 7: a saint, but there was a situation earlier this week

538
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Speaker 7: where I heard about some coaching changes with a Western

539
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 7: Conference team, and it's like, you know, I don't know,

540
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 7: do I really want to do we really need to

541
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Speaker 7: list these assistants who are not hugely public figures but

542
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 7: they've lost their jobs.

543
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Speaker 2: Like it's just it is. It's a I mean.

544
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 7: Assistant coaching now is so ridiculously volatile.

545
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: Like assistant coaching, you are.

546
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Speaker 7: Literally going year to year almost unless you are you know,

547
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Speaker 7: maybe it's different if you are the number one guy

548
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 7: attached to a really marquee coach, but I mean, assistant

549
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 7: coaching is just zero security at this point.

550
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Speaker 6: Well, it's really it's just really hard. And what I

551
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 6: say to people all the time, you know, if I'm

552
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Speaker 6: talking especially to young coaches or guys that are out

553
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 6: trying to get back in things like that, and this

554
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 6: would apply I think to the.

555
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Speaker 5: College level as where as well as the NBA level.

556
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Speaker 6: I just say, look, I've been at this a long time,

557
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Speaker 6: and I know for a fact there's far more good

558
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 6: coaches than there are jobs. Whether we're talking head coaching

559
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 6: jobs or assistant coaching jobs.

560
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Speaker 5: There's a lot more good coaches than there are jobs.

561
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Speaker 6: That's just the way it is, and it's really really competitive,

562
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Speaker 6: and so if you're gonna be in this, you just

563
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 6: got to accept the craziness for what it is.

564
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Speaker 7: This might have already happened, because if I was in

565
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Speaker 7: his position, I would certainly be calling you for advice.

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Speaker 2: What do you do if your.

567
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Speaker 7: Phone rings and JJ Reddick is asking you should I

568
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Speaker 7: take a high profile coach job.

569
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Speaker 2: In the NBA with no NBA experience?

570
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Speaker 7: Like, what what would you suggest if he asked you

571
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Speaker 7: or asked for your wisdom?

572
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Speaker 6: Well, listen, I mean I think this probably with every opportunity, Mark,

573
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Speaker 6: I'd probably be the same.

574
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Speaker 5: And you know, in your business and everything.

575
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 6: Else, it probably the ideal that wouldn't be the ideal

576
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 6: path to becoming a head coach.

577
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: The ideal path you would get some experience and everything else, but.

578
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 6: You don't get to pick when your opportunities are going

579
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 6: to come, and there's only thirty of these jobs. And

580
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: so if he came to me and said, hey, I've

581
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 6: got a chance at this.

582
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Speaker 5: You know, I'd say jump at it. You know.

583
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 6: Look, Jason Kidd did it right after his coaching career.

584
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: Ended, and now he's bounced to his third job.

585
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 6: But I always thought that Jason was a good coach.

586
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Speaker 6: I don't think there is a There's not just one

587
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 6: path to becoming a successful coach. And so there's guys

588
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 6: out there that were never assistant. Steve Kerr was never

589
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 6: an assistant. Then you've got Eric Spolster who came from

590
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 6: the video room to the booth or to the bench

591
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 6: and then was in it, you know, didn't get to

592
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 6: the head coaching job. There's just not one path to

593
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: get there. And so even if the path isn't ideal

594
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 6: or it comes with certain challenges, if you get an opportunity,

595
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 6: there's only thirty of these jobs, you got to take

596
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 6: it when the opportunity comes.

597
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Speaker 3: I have my last question on this coach, and I

598
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: want to ask the style.

599
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 4: Want to ask you about the playoffs stand So Stein

600
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: brought in about how you know there's almost a built

601
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Speaker 4: dance scapegoat clause into coaches contract, So I want to

602
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: know how much should that escapegoat clause account for?

603
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: Like it, since we already have a we already have us.

604
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Speaker 5: You already know that the coach is going to be

605
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 5: the first one to be let go.

606
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Speaker 3: It seems like I should be public, all right.

607
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Speaker 4: This coach gets this high profile NBA job, he has

608
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: a two million dollar scapegoat.

609
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Speaker 5: Well, look, Chris, I mean, I don't know.

610
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Speaker 6: From what I've read, Frank's walking away with twenty plus

611
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 6: million dollars.

612
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Speaker 5: I don't know what Darvin's walking away with.

613
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 6: But but listen, it is built into what we do

614
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 6: as head coaches, and we.

615
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 5: All walk away with pretty good money.

616
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Speaker 6: Again, Like I look at stuff and I shake my

617
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 6: head with the decisions are made. But I won't really

618
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: talk about fairness because this is just the job. And

619
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Speaker 6: if we want to get down to fairness, we also

620
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 6: have to say, you know, why do you get six

621
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Speaker 6: eight ten million dollars a year to coach an NBA

622
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 6: team and teachers get sixty thousand to do something that's

623
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Speaker 6: actually important? So fairness is out the window. You know,

624
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: I don't worry about that. But the salary does build

625
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 6: in and again that's why when these things come down,

626
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 6: I do empathize with the coaches because I've been there.

627
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 6: I empathize with them, but I sympathize with the guys

628
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 6: Mark was talking about the assistant coaches, their families, and

629
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Speaker 6: even lower down the totem pole, the player development guys,

630
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 6: you know, the video people, all of those people who

631
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: are out of work when a new regime comes in.

632
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Speaker 6: That's who I reserve my sympathy for.

633
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Speaker 7: So we're record this in the afternoon, so it's before

634
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 7: the Friday night game, so it's kind of hard for

635
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 7: us to dig into the action that's gonna unfold shortly

636
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 7: after we wrap this up.

637
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Speaker 2: But I did want to ask you.

638
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Speaker 7: I know, you guys in particular, have been locked in

639
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 7: on the Knicks and the Pacers, and you're you've been

640
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 7: working in the East, I think really first round and

641
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 7: second round. But Minnesota Denver going into this game three

642
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 7: Friday night. Again, we're finishing this pod before that game

643
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 7: is played. Butt what Minnesota has done in these first

644
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 7: two games to discombobulate the Nuggets to win two games

645
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 7: in Denver, which is just about as tough a place

646
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 7: to play as there is on the NBA map. Just

647
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 7: wanted to get your impressions about this Wolves team and

648
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 7: are we do we actually have a new title favorite

649
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 7: in the NBA right now?

650
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about that.

651
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 6: I mean, i'd say we certainly have a new Western

652
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 6: Conference favorite maybe, but they and Boston would be the too.

653
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 6: But what they have done to Denver, I'm with you,

654
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 6: it's been absolutely incredible.

655
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 5: And they even.

656
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 6: Dominated Game two defensively without Rudy Gobert. I mean, you know,

657
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 6: so you took the defensive player of the year out

658
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 6: and you still frustrated the Denver Nuggets. And I think

659
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: what's been amazing is the way they've been able to

660
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: defend Yo Kitchen Murray like because Yo Kitchen Murray have

661
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 6: proven over the years. These are two guys who have

662
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 6: been able to raise their level in the playoffs. I mean,

663
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 6: these are two of the best playoff performers we've had

664
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Speaker 6: in the recent history.

665
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Speaker 5: Of the NBA.

666
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 6: They've got Yo Kic shooting forty two percent from the

667
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 6: floor and turning the ball over eleven times in two games.

668
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 5: And they got Murray.

669
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 6: Averaging twelve and a half points on twenty eight percent.

670
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: From the floor.

671
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 6: That's phenomenal. And if you would have going into the series.

672
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 5: That Edwards and Towns.

673
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 6: Were going to totally outplay Yokichen Murray, somebody would have

674
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 6: told you you were crazy. You would have been happy

675
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 6: if they could have held their own And Anthony Edwards

676
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 6: and Karl Anthony Towns are not only averaging thirty five

677
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 6: and twenty three and a half, but they're both shooting

678
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 6: over sixty percent from the floor. This has been total domination.

679
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 6: And then the next factor, obviously is.

680
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 5: The bench play.

681
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 6: Minnesota with nas Reed and Nikhil Alexander Walker have been phenomenal.

682
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: And that Denver bench, which we knew.

683
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 6: All along was gonna be a problem, has really really

684
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 6: struggled only thirty three points total in one hundred and

685
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 6: seven minutes. So it's been domination. I mean, it's impossible

686
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 6: to find an area a part of the game where

687
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 6: you feel like Denver has been as good or better

688
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 6: that gotten to the line twelve more times.

689
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 5: I guess that's it. But it's been domination.

690
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 6: Man, Minnesota has looked great, and that was after dominating

691
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 6: Phoenix in the in the first round.

692
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: So this is a great six game run so far.

693
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 7: I didn't want to ask you about the coaching situation though,

694
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 7: because I mean, I feel sick for Chris Finch not

695
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 7: being able to you know, this is his moment. This

696
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 7: is a guy who started coaching in England, which is

697
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 7: by no means a basketball country. Can you I cannot

698
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 7: remember that happening where a head coach got sustained an

699
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 7: injury to the point that he could not stand at

700
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 7: the front of the bench.

701
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

702
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: Look, it's terrible and I agree with you, especially with

703
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 6: Chris Finch's journey and how long he had to work

704
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 6: and wait to get this opportunity.

705
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 5: And the unbelievable job he has done.

706
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: The because I'm gonna say ninety percent of us in

707
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 6: the NBA world when they decided to put the two

708
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 6: big guys together go Bear in Towns didn't see it

709
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 6: ever working. And it did work, and Chris Binch was

710
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 6: the one to make it work. And they've done such

711
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 6: a great job. He should be front and center right

712
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 6: now where everybody could look at him. I will say,

713
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 6: I don't know Chris real well. He doesn't seem to

714
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 6: me like the type of guy who really cares, doesn't

715
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: need to be out front. He just wants the team

716
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 6: to win. It's certainly still his team. He's the guy

717
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 6: in charge, and he and Mike and Nori are teaming

718
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 6: up to do it very very well.

719
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 5: Chris will get plenty of recognition, as he should.

720
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 6: But yes, I feel for him not being to be

721
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 6: out there in the front of the bench where everybody's

722
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 6: where everybody's looking at him right now, because the job

723
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 6: he's done is certainly front and center.

724
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: Stan, We've been on the New York Pacers series and

725
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: we don't have three and four ESPN, ABC do they

726
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: have those two games?

727
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: We have game five.

728
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: If it gets to a game five, Stan, what was

729
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: your experience like Game two? Reggie Miller's in the broadcast

730
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: booth with you, and some chats started raining down towards

731
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 4: the end of the game, and Josh Hart even came

732
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: over and reiterated what the fans were saying.

733
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: What was that.

734
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 6: Experience like for you to be right there with Reggie?

735
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 6: I mean, it was incredible. I don't think I've ever

736
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 6: been at a game where a broadcaster was so front

737
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 6: and center. I mean, you know, I think Pacers nicks

738
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 6: the history of that Reggie being back, and like Reggie said,

739
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 6: he'd been in that building as a broadcaster plenty of times,

740
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 6: but not in a PACER's Knicks playoff game. And man,

741
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 6: I certainly have never seen a broadcaster getting chanted.

742
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 5: At like that.

743
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 6: I mean, f you, Reggie, I mean and I guess

744
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 6: Josh Hart was just worried that that maybe through the

745
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 6: headsets we didn't hear it. He wanted to be clear,

746
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 6: because to be clear, Josh didn't come over with any

747
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 6: nalice in his mannerisms or his voice.

748
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 5: He just hey, I just wanted to make sure you

749
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 5: know what they're saying.

750
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 6: It was unbelievable, but Reggie was a was a really

751
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 6: good sport all night. And Reggie's not only a great broadcaster,

752
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 6: not only was a great player, but he's one of

753
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 6: the great ambassadors of the game, and I think he

754
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 6: understands his role in promoting the NBA.

755
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 5: So it was a.

756
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 6: Lot of fun to be there. I'm sure you felt

757
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 6: it too, you know, Brian sort of after orchestrated everything,

758
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 6: Rian Anderson and then Reggie was there as the focal

759
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 6: plane and we had a great game to go with too.

760
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 5: Probably my most enjoyable.

761
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 6: Night of U of broadcasting in UH in the four

762
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 6: years I've done it.

763
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was about to ask did you feel safe

764
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: that night sitting next to Reggie? I don't have to

765
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: sit next to y'all.

766
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 5: Coming. Yeah, I thought about, you know, I thought about.

767
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 6: Wearing a helmet. I thought we might get some stuff

768
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 6: thrown at us.

769
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: But but we didn't, so that was okay.

770
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 6: And we didn't have Reggie walk over with us Christy Arena.

771
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 6: We walked ourselves so we didn't have to deal with that.

772
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 6: We had to got to sneak Reggie into the building.

773
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 6: So uh, but no, it was uh, it was a

774
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 6: lot of fun and and Reggie's always uh always great

775
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 6: to work with, as you know.

776
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well stand man, I held you longer than

777
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 4: I then I asked request it. I want to say

778
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: thank you for for coming on man. I I enjoy

779
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: I just want to tell you for first of all,

780
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 4: I enjoy your friendship. I appreciate that, but I enjoy

781
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: just hearing you talk hoops man. Like when we're in

782
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: those meetings with the coaches before the game, sty and

783
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 4: you was just here, Stan and Spostra whoever, They're just

784
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: talking shop basketball, hoops this, and I was like, I

785
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: just like listening and taking all that stuff in and

786
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 4: on top of that is personality and everything.

787
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 5: Man.

788
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: One thing about Stan. Stan doesn't bullshit anybody. He's gonna

789
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 4: tell you what he sees, and oftentimes he's telling the coaches, no,

790
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: that's not what's happening.

791
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: This is what.

792
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 6: Every once in a while, only if they asked, you know,

793
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: like you didn't think we played hard and shit, no

794
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 6: I didn't, you know.

795
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 7: Now, those meetings are priceless, of course, ninety eight percent,

796
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 7: which is not supposed to it's never supposed to leave

797
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 7: the room, but.

798
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: They are like on on radio.

799
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 7: I got to go to some of those with Hubie

800
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 7: and just watch Hubie hub grill some of these guys,

801
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 7: which I always enjoyed. So yeah, now I'm sure I

802
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 7: would love to see a Stanspo pregame coaches meeting session.

803
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 6: Mark, I'm glad you brought Hubee up when I was coaching.

804
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 6: He was absolutely the best in those meetings. I'll never forget.

805
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 6: I had, you know, Dwayne Wade as a rookie and

806
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 6: he had a great rookie year. We went to the

807
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 6: second round, lost to Indiana. But Hubie would come in

808
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 6: for those games and he would say, Stan, Dwayne Wade

809
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 6: leads the NBA in turnovers.

810
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 5: So I just like him, what are you gonna do

811
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 5: about that? You know? Boy? You know he was the

812
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 5: best because he was so prepared.

813
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 6: He never he never came at you just with like

814
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 6: some opinion off the top of his head.

815
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: He drilled down on it. He'd watched he'd looked at

816
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 5: the numbers.

817
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 6: And he was gonna ask you the uh, the real

818
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 6: deal on questions and stuff, and you knew you were

819
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 6: gonna gonna have to be ready to answer him. So

820
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 6: QB's one of the greats in the business, both as

821
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 6: a coach and a broadcaster. Always appreciated talking to him.

822
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 6: I still appreciate listening to him. I've always had great

823
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: respect for the older guys, the guys that came before

824
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 6: me in coaching, and I've learned a lot from QB.

825
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: Brown over the years.

826
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 6: Used to go to his training camps when he was

827
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 6: with the next attended coaching.

828
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 5: Clinics that he did.

829
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 6: Great privilege to have been able to hear QUB Brown

830
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 6: through the years.

831
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to end it with this, SBG.

832
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: You know, obviously, as a sideline reporter, a part of

833
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: my job is interviewing the coaches during the game, and

834
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 4: a lot of times, depending on the game, and depending

835
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: on the time and circumstance, that can be a tough task.

836
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: At the end of the first quarter is pretty easy

837
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 4: dealing with a coach. Not much, not much can go

838
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 4: wrong in the first quarter. A lot of times it does,

839
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: but not much. But the end of the third, going

840
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: to that fourth, that's when the coaches really are trying

841
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 4: to get get into their game plan. And so again

842
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: it depends on I dictate, like at the end of

843
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: the third quarter out you know, depending on if the

844
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: coach went on a if the coach is on the

845
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 4: wrong end of a ten to oh run to close

846
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: that quarter off, I know that coach is not in

847
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: the move to talk. So I mainly asked one question,

848
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: but stay, I remember you told the story.

849
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: I want to end it with that.

850
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: I remember you told a story about your experiences and

851
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 4: dealing with sideline reporters and how you had.

852
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: To adapt over time. Can you talk about that?

853
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was probably the year we were

854
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: going to the final in two thousand and nine and

855
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 6: my brother was broadcasting for ABC, and you know, my

856
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 6: brother just said to me, like, hey, you know what,

857
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 6: you got to.

858
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: Be better with least a salter.

859
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 6: She was a sideline reporter said, you know, I know

860
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 6: nobody likes to do those.

861
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 5: He said, she knows nobody likes to do.

862
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 6: Those, but it's her job. You owe her more respect

863
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 6: and understand that. And it changed me for the rest

864
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 6: of the time. I'm not saying I was always the

865
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 6: best guy, like Michael Malone's probably the beast, right.

866
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 5: I mean, he's fantastic.

867
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 6: But the one thing with my brother is, you know

868
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 6: you talked about me telling the truth my brother.

869
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: You know, we all need people in our lives. I

870
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 5: firmly believe this.

871
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 6: You need people in your life who will tell you

872
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 6: the truth, not just what you want to hear. And

873
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 6: my brother's always been that guy for me. He just

874
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 6: told me the truth, which was basically, you're being an asshole,

875
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 6: Like you know, you don't need to be that short

876
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 6: with the answers are rude. Answer her questions. That's her job.

877
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 6: And I've tried to do that since because he, you know,

878
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 6: just changed my perspective. And I think most guys in

879
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 6: the media would say that. Through my years, I know

880
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 6: I had my moments, but for the most time part

881
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 6: I was good with the media because I had the

882
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 6: appreciation that you know, everybody in the media has got

883
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 6: their jobs to do too, and so you've got to

884
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 6: give them the respect that they're due.

885
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 5: And that was that moment.

886
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 6: Changed me with those with those sideline reports, and you

887
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 6: guys have tough jobs when you're doing that, and you're

888
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 6: right the into the first quarter, no big deal, into

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Speaker 6: the third quarter, you know. I remember one I had

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Speaker 6: one interview Chris where we're down like eighteen and you

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Speaker 6: know the cutoffs twenty down twenty.

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Speaker 5: We don't do the interview, and I Forkid who was doing.

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Speaker 6: The sideline, and I said, well, hell, the only thing

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Speaker 6: that could have happened if we could have given up

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Speaker 6: one more bucket, at least.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have to do that.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, my god, if we're gonna get blown

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Speaker 6: out anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Makes as bad as can But.

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Speaker 6: I got better with those, and I got my brother,

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Speaker 6: as I do for a lot of things.

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Speaker 5: I've got my brother sent for that.

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Speaker 7: We need that podcast someday, man, we need the world.

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Speaker 2: According to the Van Gundy's.

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Speaker 3: Podcast Classic, it will be a classic.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it would be as good as you

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Speaker 6: guys think. I think we became fridge sights all the time.

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Speaker 5: Like, can you believe all the dumb crap these dude.

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Speaker 3: Just said I would be a classic?

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Speaker 4: And Stan has comed Stan is not the same Stan

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Speaker 4: he was on social media.

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Speaker 3: Years ago.

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Speaker 6: No, No, my wife got me off social media and

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Speaker 6: my mood has been better for the last two years.

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Speaker 5: Social media when.

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Speaker 6: You get into the political stuff, yeah, social media takes

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Speaker 6: on a whole new thing. And I was just fighting

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Speaker 6: and angry all the time. So now I still get angry.

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Speaker 5: About political stuff, but it doesn't.

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Speaker 6: Rub up because I'm not on there having people piss

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Speaker 6: me off even more.

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Speaker 4: No, I hear you stay social media, man, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to get on that. That's another topic for another day.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, brother. I see you got the sun out there.

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Speaker 4: I see the palm trees breezing. Man, like God leda,

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Speaker 4: I look so beautiful, man.

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Speaker 5: This is what this is what I call work right here,

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Speaker 5: this is beautiful. We'll stand.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you for coming on, man, we've been waiting

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Speaker 4: for that. Thank you for your time. I hopefully will

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Speaker 4: see you Game five in New York.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, thanks so much for doing it, and that'll do

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Speaker 7: it for us.

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Speaker 5: See you next time.

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Speaker 1: This league Uncut is an iHeartRadio Production Loca Chris Haynes

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Speaker 1: and Mark Stein