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Speaker 1: Hello. Back to cast listeners. Quick plug at the top

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Speaker 1: of the show, and it's especially relevant for today's episode

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Speaker 1: because we are doing an online live reading of the

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus the First Movie with Jamie with me Hi.

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Speaker 1: It's Caitlin with Grace Thomas, who was our guest on

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Speaker 1: the first Santa Claus episode from last year and who

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Speaker 1: is our guest on today's episode. Also with Joel Monique

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Speaker 1: and with Danielle Perez. So we've got a great cast.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited. It's going to be so much fun.

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Speaker 1: The show is on Sunday, December at six pm Pacific

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Speaker 1: which you can watch live on December or you can

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Speaker 1: watch anytime after that as long as you've bought a ticket.

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Speaker 1: us and until then, enjoy today's episode on the Beck

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Speaker 1: dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have women and

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Speaker 1: um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or

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Speaker 1: do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing

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Speaker 1: it with the bec Del Cast. I'm going to start

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Speaker 1: with my favorite quote from the movie. Ready, Yes, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Wow wow wow. Welcome to the bec Del Cast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Drante. So

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Speaker 1: that was that was Alan Arkins. Yeah, his last lines

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Speaker 1: it didn't make an impression on me, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: And then and Margaret is like, let me get in

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Speaker 1: on this little pun. And then Adam Marken Alan Arkin

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Speaker 1: says wow wow wow. And that's the end of his arc.

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Speaker 1: That's the end of his Arkin. He who talking about

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Speaker 1: wow wow wow. He goes from being like I'm in

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Speaker 1: a garage to wow wow wow, I'm Santa's father in law.

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Speaker 1: Incredible storytelling, really beautiful stuff. This is the Bechtel Cast,

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Speaker 1: by the way, ever heard of it? Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: our our our Santa Claus three episode. But first, this

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Speaker 1: is our podcast where we discuss movies from an intersectional

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Speaker 1: feminist lens, using the Bechtel test merely as a jumping

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Speaker 1: off point. Jamie, tell me about the Bechtel test. I

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Speaker 1: forget well, um, I'll tell you. The Bechdel test is

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Speaker 1: sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test. It's a media metric

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Speaker 1: that was invented by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires,

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Speaker 1: for our purposes. Many different versions of this test. Our

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Speaker 1: purposes require that two people of a marginalized gender with

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Speaker 1: names speak to each other about something other than a

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Speaker 1: man for two lines of dialogue. I'm realizing I don't

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Speaker 1: really know if that happens in the Santa Claus three?

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Speaker 1: Does it? I didn't pay attention for everyone who I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I listened to our podcast thirty seconds one time.

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Speaker 1: They're like, is this the podcast? I was figuring it out.

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Speaker 1: It isn't, and I honestly didn't even remember to pay

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Speaker 1: attention this time. That does it? Great? I think that

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Speaker 1: this is our Santa Claus three episode. We're going to

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Speaker 1: This is our one of our most honored holiday traditions.

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Speaker 1: Even though it's just the second time and there's only

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Speaker 1: She has a podcast coming out in January called Competitive Literature,

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Speaker 1: our Santa Claus one episode. It's Grace Thomas. Hello, what's up.

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Speaker 1: I would just like to say hello out of the fans,

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Speaker 1: I remember, Grace, you said last year during Santa Claus

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Speaker 1: In Santa Claus three, there's there's none of that reality.

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Speaker 1: It's all just it's like it's like a ranking bass special,

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Speaker 1: perfect film, but it's sweet at least, you know, and

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Speaker 1: this movie, I mean it must have gone through a

425
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Speaker 1: dozen rewrites. It must, it seems really, it seems like

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00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: it was like there's three drafts that all ended up

427
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: in the same in the same script. Yes, and a

428
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: bunch of people must have thrown in jokes and ideas,

429
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: because like Jack is such a mish mishmash of a

430
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: charcter that just I don't know if this will surprise

431
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: you too, but I have a deep, on abiding love

432
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: for Jack Frost, and I just that's not where I

433
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: saw that's going continue. I've just offended. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm deeply hurt by how they portrayed Jack Frost in

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00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: this movie. Well, who do you know Jack Frost to be?

436
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: Because I don't have a ton of context for Jack.

437
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: I feel like I have like more of an aesthetic

438
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: idea of him. I don't have a character idea of him. Well,

439
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm Finnish, and Jack Frost is a big Finnish mythological figure.

440
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I did. I did more research into it, and he's

441
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: like has his own chapter in like this thing called

442
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: like the or something that's not what it's called, but

443
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: really big tome of ancient Finnish poems and stuff. And

444
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: it makes sense because my Finnish grandfather used to reference

445
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: him a lot, So I feel like it's like in

446
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: my blood kind of to love Jack Frost. I just

447
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: love Jack Frost as like kind of a scamp, you know,

448
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: but also like in his heart heroic and I hate

449
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I fucking just I don't understand Martin Short, and I

450
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: don't think anybody under forty understands Martin Short. So that

451
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: is the perfect hot take. I like, I like the

452
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: idea of Martin Short. Yes, I don't like fully get it.

453
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: When I'm gonna see a movie with him in it,

454
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I think I like Martin Short, and

455
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: then I see it and I'm like, I fucking hated

456
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: Martin Short. In that You're like, it was like, yeah,

457
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: it was. I don't know, Like I just don't understand.

458
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: I feel like whatever it was that made Martin Short

459
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: the funniest person on earth is a generational like if

460
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: if you're born after a certain time, you're like, I'm

461
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: not offended and not upset. I just don't understand what

462
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: what everyone was so excited about. Yeah, he made a

463
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: wish to a genie that granted it, but it was

464
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: like he wanted to be famous. But the Genie was like, Okay,

465
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: you'll be famous and beloved. Not only people born in

466
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties will find you. Funny. Parents love Martin

467
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: and I like. I like Martin short. I just and

468
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: I feel like he like brings a cool energy that

469
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: like movies need sometimes and he can make a bad

470
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: movie not as bad because he just brings like commitment

471
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: and energy. But I don't fully get it. And also

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Speaker 1: you you brought up the next We we have covered

473
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Speaker 1: the Michael Keaton Jack Frost on our Patreon before I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I honestly does the Michael Keaton Jack Frost have anything

475
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Speaker 1: to do with the mythology? Because I was because he

476
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: was just in a band and then he and then

477
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: he came back okay, just making um and then there's

478
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: been a serial killer Jack Frost movie too. Yeah. I

479
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: just don't think people have enough respect for the finish

480
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: and I can think that's something that we can really confront.

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00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: That's well, Grace, I think it's up to you to

482
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: write a respectful Jack Frost film that positive Jack Frost representation.

483
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: There hasn't been enough of it in cinema. I agree.

484
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: The only other Jack Frost representation I've seen is Michael

485
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: Keaton getting killed on Christi's Eve on the way to

486
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: do his cover band and not just that is definitely

487
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: not the worst movie in the world. That's not gonna

488
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Speaker 1: cut it. I will say he was the hero in

489
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Speaker 1: Rise of the Guardians that works, Rise the Guy. Is

490
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: that an owl? A movie about owls? No? No, no, no,

491
00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: no, no no no, that's The Guardians of Yeah, what's it like?

492
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: So Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Jack Frost, but they

493
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: all don't have this quite like like Santa Claus isn't

494
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: called Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny isn't quite called the

495
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: Easter Bunny. But they have to like rise up and

496
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: defeat this shadow demon um and and it was I

497
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: think one of Jeffrey Katzenberg's last films that DreamWorks before

498
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: he moved to Quimby. Oh RiPP Quimby rip quick. All right,

499
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Speaker 1: I think it might be time for the recap now.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Kate. No, that's that's what we're here for.

501
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: Like you said, this is this episode's chaos and that's

502
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: just how I camp. But yeah, sorry, I'm still sucking

503
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: to Michael Keaton, Jack Frost. That's whenever they bring together

504
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: the holiday mascots and wanted to be like, isn't this empowering?

505
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm always like this is kind of like it just

506
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: feels itchy to me. And it feels like when they

507
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: try to put Cereal mascots together and you're like, I

508
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't want this, I don't need this. They

509
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: do this in um Al Frank Bomb's The Life and

510
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: Adventure of Santa Claus, which was the final claymation adaptation

511
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: that Ranking Bass made. Um and that comes off that's

512
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: my favorite. I love that movie. And that comes off

513
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: cool because they're like not They're not like the Easter

514
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Bunny and ship. It's like the like Lords of Spring,

515
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, and like the the like the Nature Elves

516
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: and Mother Earth and YadA YadA YadA, and that's like

517
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: mythological stuff. Yeah, and then this it's like the Easter Bunny.

518
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: And then Cupid played by Kevin Pollack. My partner walked

519
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: in while I was, um, you know, taking diligent notes

520
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: about Santa Claus three, and then he went Kevin and

521
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: then walked away. I was like there, It's like, how

522
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: dare you see Kevin poll and a full on diaper

523
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: and they go oh Kevin and walk away. It was

524
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: just not okay with me. And we're on the relationship position.

525
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Um he's in She's All That. I think, Oh my god, Wait,

526
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: we're recording this the day after. I'm so, I mean,

527
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: we hated She's All That. But do you want to

528
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: know some gossip. I'll put some gossip on the pot

529
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: and then we'll recap the movie. So okay. So it's

530
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: like Los Angeles local gossip. That's pretty draconian and evil.

531
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: So our Mayor Eric Garcetti is a terrible man. He's

532
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the worst. And yesterday, as of this recording, he had

533
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: shut down a COVID testing site at Union Station for

534
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: the reason that he had like or his office or

535
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: whatever you know, office does that they had rented Union

536
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: Station to a reboot of She's All That called She's

537
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: All That starring Tiktoker's and that's why people couldn't get

538
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: their COVID tests today. Isn't that the most evil ship

539
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: you've ever heard in your life? For the worst reason?

540
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: Fucked up? I mean what TikToker is? Because like, if

541
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: there's some of my faves Addison Ray, has that change

542
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: your mind? Oh, She's no I'm not no, I, she

543
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: confuses me. I looked her up once and all of

544
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: her stuff is just about it's like one of those

545
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: YouTube families, you know, like it's but it's like just

546
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: like a single young girl talking about like, oh, this

547
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: is the boy I'm with now, and it's like, what,

548
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: why can't this is what cinema used to be, you know,

549
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: people people used to go to the movies for these worries,

550
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: and now they're getting them from I'm just I always

551
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: get the feeling. I'm like, I am just like I

552
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. I should get out of here. Either way,

553
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: no one should shot down a COVID testing site for

554
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: He's all That starring Addison Ray. Um, that's the most

555
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: evil ship. Anyways, shout out Kevin, Kevin, Kevin Kevin. Okay, Caitlyn,

556
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: we're ready to do the podcast. I guess, I guess.

557
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out what's going on with Santa

558
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: Claus three. So it's just like, do you just not

559
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about this? Just delaying so much? All right,

560
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll make this as quick as possible. We'll

561
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: see how it goes. Um Okay, So just a really

562
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: quick fill in the gap between Santa Claus one and

563
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: Santa Claus three. In Santa Claus To there's a new

564
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: clause that says that Santa Claus has to get married

565
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: by next Christmas, which is in like a month, or

566
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: else he can't be Santa anymore. So he ends up

567
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: falling in love with Carol, his son, Charlie's school principle,

568
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: and she becomes Mrs Claus. So that's what happens. But

569
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: also I realized here's a little I was but her

570
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: her maiden name is Carol Newman, which because her name

571
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: is Carol because Christ and she needs a new man,

572
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: meaning Scott Calvin a k. Santa Claus. There's a poetry

573
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: to these films, the films, it's it's very literary, you

574
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: know they're taking I was like, Oh, she needs a

575
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: new man, and she will leave her job for a

576
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: new man. For all the listeners out there, I really

577
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: really suggest watching these movies with a script in hand,

578
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: because otherwise you're just not gonna take it in like

579
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: you should. It's true. I felt really impacted. I was like,

580
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: Oh Newman, it was all it was all there, All

581
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: the hints were there. The maybe we talked about this

582
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: last year two. But that like the plot of the

583
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: Santa Claus too, is the plot to a like is

584
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: also the plot to the Princess Diaries to write like,

585
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: isn't it the same thing where like Anne Hathaway has

586
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: to get married by the end of the month or

587
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: the country sinks into the ocean, or like, I don't

588
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: even know what the consequence was. It's like these evil

589
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Eastern Europeans that are always are in the well. I mean,

590
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: I thought I made note of that too, because I

591
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's it feels like there's a lot

592
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: of movies where a woman needs to get married by

593
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: a certain deadline or else there will be consequences. Because

594
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: Aladdin was another thing that came to mind, which Jasmine

595
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: has to get married in three days or whatever. So

596
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that's an interesting subversion that a

597
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: man has to find his wife. Yeah, and that almost

598
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: suggests that. But that he's like, you need to rob

599
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: a woman of her career in the next thirty days

600
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: or you're fucked, or Christmass can't well, I mean, you

601
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: know he yeah, he could have found someone who could

602
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: work from home, you know, yes, Scott, everything of that.

603
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: Jesus yeah, Well, here's my thing about that, about losing

604
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: her career and whatnot. She didn't have to necessarily because

605
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: she could have just been like, oh, I'm the high

606
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: school principal of the North Pole, you know, because apparently

607
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: there's kid alves in schools. But there's got to be

608
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: some like North Pole bimbo ization, because by the time

609
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: we get to the Santa Claus three, she's an entirely

610
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: different person. She's not sharp, she's not funny, she's not

611
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: like she's just like teaching at an elementary school. She's

612
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: not like enterprising about like what like what she wants

613
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: these kids till now and learned. Yeah, and that happens. Also,

614
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: there's like a North Pool hymboization to Scott, who like

615
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: become this soft, not quite as smart or wildly guy,

616
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: you know. And it even extends to the family members

617
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: after a while being in the North Pole, they're all

618
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: these soft, goofy guys, you know, and it's just it's

619
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: it's it's it's perflexing. Well to Laura, okay the way, well, like, okay,

620
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: we have to talk about the plot. I got so

621
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Speaker 1: frust I'm like Laura and Neil, are we even I

622
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: was genuinely like, why are Laura and Neil even here?

623
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Until I saw Martin short blow, CG error and c

624
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: G I used them, and I'm like, Oh, that's why

625
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: they're here. So I can see the worst effect I've

626
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. That's why they're here. And Laura, okay, okay,

627
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: maybe we should start. Let's start at the top. So Laura,

628
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I was so lost with Laura. I

629
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: was like, where is Laura's head at? I don't understand. Okay,

630
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: what happens in the movie though, Okay, so uh. Santa

631
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Speaker 1: Claus three opens on Mrs Claus, who is now a

632
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Speaker 1: teacher at the North Pole, and she starts to tell

633
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: her students, who are either children elves or adult elves

634
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: we don't know the forty well, they look younger than

635
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: most of the other elves. They really do did, and

636
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: especially at the end of the Santa Claus too, we

637
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: also see her teach alves a little bit, and those

638
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: elves look even younger. They look like Toddler's basically, So

639
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: where are these elves coming from? Where are they carring from?

640
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it, because yeah, I

641
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: don't want to know. I don't want to know what

642
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: my mind goes places. You know, I have ideas about

643
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: what's happening. I just don't want that to be happening.

644
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: I just broke a pen. I appreciated the cinematic restraint

645
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: in not even trying to tell me what happened. I

646
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I just thanks, thanks. Alright,

647
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: So she's telling them the story and then we flashback

648
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: to Mrs Claus, who is now highly gregnant. She is

649
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: about to give birth. It's like, wait, I know we

650
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: have to talk about what happens to the movie. You

651
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: know what, what if we don't? Was that anyone else

652
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: like really like confused by the ending shot of the

653
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: movie where it's like they're greg that they have Santa

654
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: and Carol have the huge I mean, I guess we

655
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: don't know how much longer after the baby is born.

656
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: But the baby is huge. It's like a three month

657
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: old baby. It's pretty big. It's about the size of

658
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Abigail Breslin. And and and then the movie ends on

659
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: like a shot the baby frame, a freeze frame of

660
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: the baby. And not only that, but the last thing

661
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: that Santa says is like, here's buddy clock Ray class

662
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: here's crazy, and you're like, wait, did they not know

663
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: the name? Had they not met the baby yet? What's

664
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: what's going on? He brought because it's like, Okay, if

665
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: she's already back in the classroom, she's already had her

666
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: full Mrs claus maternity leave, I'm gonna generously assume that,

667
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, she has good health insurance, although given the

668
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: fact that she doesn't fit in the hospital, I don't know.

669
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: But he's already back at work and she has not

670
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: yet named her baby. Is that no? I think? No, no,

671
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: no they no, no, no, no no, because she says

672
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: we named him after his grandfather. Yeah, so no, no, yeah,

673
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: they named it. But I'm just saying that it's weird

674
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: that Santa is like, hey, here's this information you didn't have,

675
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: even though there's like, I don't know, maybe five elves

676
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: here and every elve knows everything that happens. So but

677
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: then there's a freeze frame on the baby. The baby

678
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: almost but not quite breaks the fourth wall. Good job baby,

679
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: good baby acting, good baby acting. Don't look in the camera.

680
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: I think, if your baby, they'll probably be hard. But

681
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: the but then it freezes as if to be like

682
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: you're I felt like the implication was like and the

683
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: and this is the setup for the Santa Face the

684
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: next day. We've already established in in Santa Clause movie

685
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: Cannon that you become Santa Clause by murdering the existing

686
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. So is this applying that Buddy Claus is

687
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: going to kill his father or what about Charlie? What

688
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: about Charlie? What about Charlie? And in my draft of

689
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: Santa Clause for, all of these questions are answered, all

690
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: these questions. I really think that you know, hashtag make wait,

691
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a good one. Hashtag hashtag

692
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: hire Grace to write Santa Claus for. That's not a

693
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: good one, Grace to Clause for hashtag Santa Grace, Santa

694
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: Santa Santa Grace. And we we won't demand Disney produced

695
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: my dramatic version of the Santa Claus far no more comedy. Now,

696
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: we just like really get get to like what's behind

697
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: the characters. You know, it's about time fucking time. I

698
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: totally agree and think of the film less as a

699
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: sequel and more of a coda, not only not for

700
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: the trilogy, but really to our own, our own journeys

701
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: individually in regards to the Santa Claus mythos and how

702
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: we accept and move on from that joy wonder Wow,

703
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: I mean, where do we go from here? Every time

704
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: I watch a Santa Claus movie, I'm like, where do

705
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: we go from here? As a nation, as a culture?

706
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: Where do we go? Has anyone been keeping up with

707
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Tim Allen's Twitter? I felt like we had to talk

708
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: about it would feel disenjoyed because we know. I think

709
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: we also discussed this last year that Tim Allen is

710
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: like an unrepentant Republican, like bad views bad, like we

711
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: we we we can't. He's he's there, and yet we

712
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: cannot claim him because he is bad. But the way

713
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: he He had a tweet recently, Grace, did you see

714
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: this one about the Communist Manifesto. He tweets very conspiratorially,

715
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: in a uniquely Boomer way where he'll just like say things,

716
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's trying to like I think what

717
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: he's trying to accomplish as a mic drop, But you're like,

718
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. So so he tweeted

719
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: this November Carl Marks Communist Manifesto Wikipedia. That's the whole

720
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: and he spells Karl Marks wrong. He spells it with

721
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: a seat, not a k. He says, Carl Marks Communist Manifesto. Wikipedia,

722
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: I cannot I can guess what you mean. I can guess.

723
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Wikipedia throws me for loop. Carl Mark's Communist.

724
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Like the first two, I'm like, I see, okay, where's

725
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: he going with this? There's a connection between those two things.

726
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: But then Wikipedia, I'm going Often I've often referred to

727
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: Wikipedia as the modern day I mean, it's been he's

728
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: I will give it. I'll give it up to Tim Allen.

729
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: A bunch of people clowned on him, and he was

730
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: he was basically like, ah, this is funny. You know,

731
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: people are like making He's like, you know, I too

732
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: don't know. And so as a punishment for him, I

733
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well, let's go to Tim Allen Wikipedia,

734
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: which he seems to have contempt for and seeing you know,

735
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: what's going on, and he is like, he endorsed Trump

736
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: in the election, like he sucks, right. But the most

737
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: recent sentence, the most up to date sentence that seems

738
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: to be connected to these November tweets, and I honestly

739
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: didn't pursue the thread outside of the iconic tweet all

740
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: marks Communist Manifesto Wikipedia. But but all it says is

741
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: On November, Tim Allen published a series of tweets which

742
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: appeared to condone and endorse child labor, which I feel like,

743
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: interestingly in a horrible way, ties to the Santa Claus universe.

744
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, did the Santa Claus radicalize dem Allen

745
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction? We don't know. We don't know.

746
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: We know his politics are shitty and bad, but did

747
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: they come from the Santa Claus. We don't know. What

748
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: happens in the movie, I'll tell you after this quick break, Okay,

749
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay. So Mrs Claus is telling a

750
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: story to the children elves. She's she's pregnant, she's about

751
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: to give birth any day now, but it's also almost Christmas,

752
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: so it's not a good time. Santa Claus is busy

753
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: with Christmas stuff. She also misses her human family. So

754
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: Santa is like, well, I'll bring your parents here to

755
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: the North Pole. But they have to maintain the s

756
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: O s a k. The Secret of Santa, so they

757
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: have to disguise the North Pole as Canada, so they

758
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: do that. This is linked to his magic. If the

759
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: secrets revealed, Santa loses his magic right for whatever reason.

760
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: But then yeah, then I struggled with the end. If

761
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: that's true, then how do you explain Alan Arkin realizing

762
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: he's father Christmas is law. I think they kill him.

763
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: I think the credits like you got to see this

764
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: majes Day and now we're gonna they just leave them

765
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: out in the cold. Alan Arkin and um old hottie

766
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: what was it? And Margaret and Margaret same same amount

767
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: of syllables were left out in the snow and just

768
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: just were like, oh, we saw that then, and then

769
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: they died and were buried and maybe they were given

770
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: some sort of Christmas tumb But I kind of was

771
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: like there was about I knew that there was no

772
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: way that they were just going to let Judge Reinhold

773
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: never come out of his ice prison. But I was like,

774
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: how funny would it be if Judge Reinhold just kind

775
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: of like stayed whatever Hans soloed there frozen and carbonite. Yeah,

776
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: that was also a very that was that was a

777
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: that was a special effect that turned my stomachs. It's awful.

778
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: It is a nightmare and only thing worse than them

779
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: getting frozen. Is them getting Yeah, I was trying to

780
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: figure out why I couldn't find information why David Krumholtz

781
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: didn't come back and broke my high. Was it because

782
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: he was on numbers? Yes, it was because he was

783
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: on numbers? Unbelievable. Numbers is taken so much from us.

784
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I'd think David David crum Holds would have had a

785
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: film career if this fucking procedural didn't just take him

786
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: out of it for years. He could have. David Crumholtz

787
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: would have an oscar right now. If not for a

788
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: fucking number, you get a bit of fucking contender. We

789
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: gotta get David Krumhols back in the mix. He's forty two,

790
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of career left in him. He

791
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: it really was like he could have done. I mean, honestly,

792
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 1: you could say, babe, he dodged a bullet by missing

793
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus three. But sure, you know, but not.

794
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a second of numbers. I just know

795
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: it's a procedural. And now I know that it took

796
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: David Crumholtz from us and gave us, gave him to

797
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: what our moms who watched Number I certainly didn't David

798
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: crumb Halls. You know, just looking at his recent filmography,

799
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's like, but I feel, you know,

800
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: like later on we were like good for me for

801
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: having a good crush. He was in he was in

802
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: At Home with Amy Sedaris, he was in Nora from Queens.

803
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: He was in the New Twilight Zone. He's doing some

804
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: fun stuff. He was in Hail Caesar. Yeah, because he's

805
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: around on the Holtz. We we got it. We gotta

806
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: get him back. Where is he at? His presence? I mean,

807
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I think it's it's fair to say his presence is

808
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: is missed in Santa Claus three true. I think the

809
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: movie would have made total sense if he was. It

810
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: would be great if in the Santa Claus for or

811
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: not we need a Santa Claus for to end the

812
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: current SOCCA. But when the Santa Claus is eventually rebooted,

813
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: what if David krump Holtz was in the main role.

814
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: I would love that. I think about that. I think, honestly,

815
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: we're at a point in this and then okay, let

816
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: me know if this is totally off based, but I

817
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: feel like we're at a point in this movie series

818
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: where we could kind of easily kill off Tim Allen is, okay,

819
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I think we should. Well, let's not spoil the Santa

820
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: Claus for by Grace Thomas. Okay, you're right, you're right,

821
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. Um, well, Shelly, just check in

822
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: to see what's happening in Santa Claus. Three. Oh yeah,

823
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: too far into that, sure, Okay, So you know it's

824
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: a busy time at the North Pole with all of

825
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: the Christmas in the in the pregnancy or at the beginning.

826
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: Still five minutes into the movie, and then the Council

827
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: of Legendary Figures calls an emergency meeting to let Santa

828
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: know that Jack Frost has been trying to upstage Santa Claus. Basically,

829
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: Jack Frost wants his own holiday and he is jealous

830
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: of Santa. He resents that Santa gets all of the

831
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: like winter notoriety, and specifically, what he's doing is distributing

832
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: these full sized cardboard cutouts of him that have sashes

833
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: around them. That's say, Mary Frost nous. And so apparently

834
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: Jack Frost can just tell everyone like, I'm Jack Frost.

835
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: I exist. He's just doing this right. There's no secret

836
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: of Frost. There's only a secret of Santa. But this

837
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: is I mean, talk about frosty tips. You got frosty tips,

838
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: the frosty because the frostiest tips possible. Aisha Tyler plays

839
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: Mother Nature, reprising her is God. Basically, she's like God Queen.

840
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that in this film God is basically

841
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: a black woman, and it is not reflected in society

842
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: at all. You know, It's just that is not reflected

843
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: at all. The world isn't different in any way. It's

844
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I should. Tyler is Mother Nature and

845
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: she's not doing ship for ship, She's just doing these

846
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: meetings once at all. She's always like sucked into these

847
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: horrible like political infighting between Santa and Jack Frost. It's like,

848
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: can you should be dealing with climate change but instead

849
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: of Nature, you think that would be her, twizy. That

850
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: is why climate change is happening because Jack Tross and

851
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Cupid and the Tooth Fairy and Santa are always seeing

852
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: their little piss ship. And also she's the only woman

853
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: on the council. The rest of the is just like

854
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: these shitty guys, except for Father Time, who seems chill.

855
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: But other than that, it's just these shitty guys. It's

856
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: one of those things where you're like, Okay, of course,

857
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: like a black woman cast is essentially god and doable.

858
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: But wait, who's writing it? The writers of there's something

859
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: about mary Ah. That's where we're going to have a problem.

860
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: That's that's why we immediately see her attention turned to

861
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: the you know, two of the most impotent people in

862
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: the room, and it stays there, and then she's like, well,

863
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: I guess I you know, if she were allowed to

864
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: use her full powers, she could have killed Alan Arkin

865
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: at the end, but daring to rest his head on

866
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: her shoulder, she should have just like, you know, like

867
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: she could have just you know, not that that happened

868
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: to Alan Arkin, I don't, but she could have zeost

869
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: his ass, you know. Well, the thing about this whole

870
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: meeting is like, yeah, so Jack Frost try to like

871
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: create a new holiday and apparently only dic She also

872
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: mother Earth notes that these cardboard cutouts have only been

873
00:57:52,240 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: distributed throughout the Pacific Northwest or whatever. She doesn't And

874
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: and so my thing is why even call a meeting?

875
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: If they hadn't called this meeting, it would have been fine.

876
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: He did, and it was fun. That fucked everything up.

877
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: It was not meaning worthy if there was going to

878
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: be that little done about it. And I also was like, okay,

879
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: people should be like kind of. I appreciate the radical

880
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: empathy extended to Scott Calvin when he's like, I'm sorry, everyone,

881
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm just really tired. My wife is regnant, and everyone's like, oh, oh, okay,

882
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: no problem, which is great paternity leave for Santa Claus

883
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: for sure. Yes, And they're so mean to Jack Frost.

884
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm immediately and nearer to him because I'm like, well,

885
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: Jack Frost just wants to like have a little fun,

886
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: maybe have a little celebration of him, and they're just

887
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: so dismissive and mean, and they call him like the

888
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: best friend, not the main story. Just like so they're

889
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: so weird to him, especially when it turns out, you know,

890
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: he's one of the most powerful beings on earth because

891
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: he can just freeze people on a whim. I'm like,

892
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: you don't need to like participate in this council. Yes, exactly.

893
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: They're going to punish him by kicking him off the

894
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: Council of Legendary Creatures, and it's like, what does that

895
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: do to him? Then he just doesn't have to come

896
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: to these meetings, like good, good for him, right, are

897
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: they getting like health insurance by being a part of

898
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: this council? Like no, he can just go off and

899
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: do his own things. They're also mad at him because

900
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: I guess he like made snowfall in the Amazon and stuff,

901
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: and he froze a volcano. But that's cool, ship. He

902
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: should have been doing that. He should do more of that. Honest,

903
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: you can probably combat global warming also, he should. Well, Okay,

904
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: so that was a question I had at that eating

905
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: that comes up, I'm I realized, I haven't looked at

906
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: my notes in like an hour. Oh my god. So

907
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: the yeah, based on the way that he is, like

908
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: Jack Frost is introduced by Mother Nature. She says like

909
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: he set off, like he set off something like everything.

910
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: He sounds like either he's like causing climate change or

911
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: he's like the Amelia Badlia of weather, because he's like

912
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: geese are going north for the winter, and it just

913
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: sounds like everything is going on. Like the implications of

914
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: what he's doing, it's both implied that it's like catastrophic

915
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: in a global sense, but also it seems also weirdly

916
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: limited to like mall cardboard cutout it was like confusing.

917
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: My big question too, is like we never figure out

918
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: how the rest of them, more the like legendary immortal

919
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: creatures work. Is there a new Jack Frost from time

920
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: to time? You know what that's like what happens? Also,

921
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was very funny that what he's charged with,

922
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: like what Mother Nature like reads as the charge to

923
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: Jack Frost is attempted upstaging of Saint Claus. You're like

924
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: it's a celony. First of all, like why what vested

925
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: interest does Mother Nature have in upholding that law? If

926
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: she's in charge, why is there a law against upstaging

927
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: Santa Claus? Who has beholden to that law? Is she

928
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: is she behold into that law? What kind of is

929
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: this a democracy? Like if someone puts up an incredible

930
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: like you know, like what if like you know, like

931
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: some organization is like giving kids who's whose parents are

932
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: incarcerated like like presents, does Mother Nature show up and

933
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: just be like, Oh, you can't do this, You're of

934
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: staging Saved Clas and drag them into the earth. So confusing,

935
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: Like I just yeah, that also hurt me. And then

936
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: on top of that, okay, so on top of that,

937
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: we have Carol, who is no longer the Carol we

938
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: once knew in the Santa Claus too, because she used

939
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: to be like an administrator at a school. But then

940
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: she's openly hateful towards like elf children adults in front

941
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: of them, and she's like, I just want family, human family,

942
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: Like you're just like you're so mean. They're all right there,

943
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: and then the Elves are like, yeah, we we suck,

944
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: like you're just like what are you, Carol? And I

945
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: mean she kind of just said she wanted her mom

946
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: and dad, like she didn't have to be like you

947
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: little monsters, you know, And the Elves continue to be

948
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: on her side to the point where, like, know, Santa,

949
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: who I understand is incredibly busy, I don't think he's

950
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: doing anything particularly right. Like she's also being like very

951
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: insecure and clingy kind of because she's like Santa has

952
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: to do this and that and can't hang out with

953
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: me right now, you know, and just keeps like that's

954
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: her whole thing throughout the whole movie, and it's like, well,

955
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: it's like a couple of days until Christmas, like come

956
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: come on, come on, you know, for I mean, you know,

957
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: unplanned pregnancies happen all the time, but this could this,

958
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean on the one day he works a year.

959
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: I think that don't know how to do c sections,

960
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: or maybe they don't have big enough knives for humans

961
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: because the alf Fir Murray as they call it, doesn't

962
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: have a big enough for her. That does not seem

963
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: sanitary there I will say, like, there is that one

964
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: moment where Anne, Margaret and Alan Argan show up at

965
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: like where she's going to be delivering, and and Margaret

966
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: says something like she's like, this doesn't seem safe, and

967
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, She's totally right, it doesn't seem safe,

968
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: not at all. These children can't performance surgery, and and

969
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 1: and and Carol doesn't even really fit in this room,

970
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: like she's going to run out of oxygen. Are these kids?

971
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: Are these elves children ish people? Are they just gonna

972
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: like just stare at this adult woman's gaping vagina? That's

973
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: a good question. And if so, why we're Alan Arkin?

974
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: Did Alan Arkin and and Margaret just think like, well,

975
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: I guess that's Canada, Like what were they think? Okay?

976
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: The fact that they like are in what's clearly Santa's

977
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: workshop surrounded by elf children and like are like, yep,

978
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: I believe this is Canada, Like, what's wrong with them?

979
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: They don't. I'll give them this maybe, um the Sandman's

980
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: magic like kind of altered their perspective, although you know

981
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: they didn't really go that hard, Like if they had

982
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: stepped into the wrong room, they would have seen what

983
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: was going on if they really if they really wanted

984
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: to make sure that these elves were hidden and would

985
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: just look like regular people or children, they needed to

986
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: cut the tips of their ears off too, because they

987
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: all he's like a little pointy, so they would have

988
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: had to cut their ears if they really really do this,

989
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: you know it's true, so really like, yeah, her parents, UM,

990
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 1: I did appreciate the I knew We're only a moment

991
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: fifteen movie, but I appreciate it. There were some choices

992
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: made in the set design of this movie that you're like,

993
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: holy shit. And I did not rewatch the Santa Claus

994
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: too to prepare for this, so I don't remember if

995
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: any of this set is carried over from the Santa

996
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: Claus to My guess is no because it was too

997
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: much time. But I have a short list of the

998
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: set design choices that really fucked me up. The first

999
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: of which is the Santa Claus Fireplace where Santa Claus,

1000
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: and it looks exactly like Tim Allen Santa Claus. It

1001
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: looks exactly like Allen Santa Claus. They put that in

1002
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: after he after he became Santa I was horrible. It

1003
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: was sickening, and and it's such a wide shot and

1004
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: it's their family home, and I'm like, that is just

1005
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: not Like Carol needs to like speak up about that

1006
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: whole situation, because he must have had that installed, you know,

1007
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: after their marriage. So that's not good. Set design I

1008
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: did like was all the Canadian sets that were like

1009
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: this is Canada, I promise. I was like, okay, I'm laughing.

1010
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: That's fun. But the other horrifying set, I guess this

1011
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: is technically prop design is frozen Judge Reinhold, I'm never

1012
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna get over that. That's not okay. Also, I forgot

1013
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: about the room full of snow globes and I hated it.

1014
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: That's all so much bad stuff. It could have been

1015
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: so much more beautiful, Like you could have made a

1016
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: beautiful room full of snow clouds. This was not this.

1017
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: There's not even any locks on them. They could be

1018
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: in like or there's like some sort of magical enchantment.

1019
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: So just to remind everyone, we talked about this in

1020
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: the last episode. But but this has to do I

1021
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: think with the budget arc of um of of the

1022
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: Santa Claus Extended Universe, which it starts, Uh Santa Claus

1023
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: one budget twenty two million box office million. Santa Claus

1024
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: to we, we said they over at it too much money.

1025
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: Uh sixty five million dollar budget, a hundred seventy two

1026
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: million dollar returns. They're like, Okay, we gotta scale it back.

1027
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: But then maybe for Santa Claus three they skill it

1028
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: back a little too much because the budget is twelve

1029
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: million and they can barely afford to Mellen and too

1030
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: like five years later or something right like twelve twelve

1031
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: years after the original. So it's like, yeah, twenty two

1032
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: million money. God only knows how much that was. This

1033
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: is twelve million in like future money. It's not a

1034
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: lot of money, and you can tell and it's just

1035
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: such a and it made a lot of money. Still,

1036
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: it made over a hundred million dollars. That is a

1037
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: very successful comedy. You know, it didn't matter. It turns

1038
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: out it didn't matter if it was good or not. Yeah,

1039
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: well they got Martin Short. They got Martin Short for

1040
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: five million, him Allen for six million, and then they

1041
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: had a million dollars for the rest left. So like SPENCERP. Wreslin,

1042
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: we're paying you in experience, Like it's oh, it's too bad. Okay.

1043
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: I know that she comes in the second movie, but

1044
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, every time I see Lucy, I'm like, who

1045
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,799
Speaker 1: is Lucy? Lucy's there's nothing to her. Her whole stick

1046
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: in the entire movie is I like snow cloves. I

1047
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: love snow cloves, and that's what saves today and where

1048
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: they land for her, I found the end. Okay, wait,

1049
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: we should get back to the movie. I did not

1050
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: like where Lucy's. Lucy's Arland very creepy and weird. So okay, well,

1051
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: speaking of snow globes. So at this meeting, this meeting

1052
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: of legendary figures, the escape clause gets brought up, but

1053
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: Santa is like, no, that's too extreme, and that's the

1054
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: thing that's the subtile I to love the movie, and

1055
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: we're like, what's the escape clause? And we find out.

1056
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: We find out soon after along with Jack Frost because

1057
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: he's intrigued by the escape clause. We learned that if

1058
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: Santa invokes the escape clause via the use of his

1059
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: magical snow globe, he will travel back through time and

1060
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to never become Santa. So this is

1061
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: an important piece of information. This is the out of

1062
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: this entire movie and all of its sins. I touched

1063
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: on this in the last episode. But what I didn't know, Well,

1064
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: so when we were talking about the Santa clause before

1065
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: I had rewatched this, I thought that he was told

1066
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: about the like Santa was told about the escape clause

1067
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: third film. That is not true already already, which kind

1068
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: of like, why not just cut that scene, like cut

1069
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 1: the scene where he knows about it, because that you're

1070
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: just well, I just landed on being like, well, I

1071
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: don't like it. But Jack Frost is just a very

1072
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, effective politician. Like there, well, because yeah, in

1073
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: the in the first two movies, he has to learn

1074
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 1: about the clauses. That's part of the fun and games

1075
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: of the movie. But for him to already know about

1076
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: the escape clause, so we don't really even get a

1077
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: proper introduction of it until a while later. And then

1078
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: he also he still gets tricked into invoking it, and

1079
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 1: it's like, wouldn't you know not to say those words

1080
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: because and it's like halfway in the movie where he

1081
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: found Like it feels like the inciting incident happens really

1082
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: far into the movie, like he finally because you're like, oh, okay,

1083
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: what would get this movie started with him? The trailer

1084
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: would even imply is him wishing he was never saying

1085
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: the clause. But that happens halfway through the It happens

1086
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: more than halfway through, happens an hour into the movie.

1087
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I mean, god, you know, so many,

1088
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: so any issues. But when it comes down to it,

1089
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he fucking but in the first movie, it's

1090
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: made very clear that he can't just quit being Santa.

1091
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: It's made very very clear. It just seems manipulative, like

1092
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: since there wasn't out and I mean it really it

1093
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: destroys the entire premise of the first movie. It just

1094
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: it does. And moreover, you have to wonder how many

1095
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: Santa's have there been? Who did just go back? You know?

1096
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: How many? And apparently when you do that, you you

1097
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: have knowledge of the future. So did a Santa like

1098
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: go back and stop nine eleven? You know? Like Santa. Yeah,

1099
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: how how how far does this power go? How can

1100
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: can it? Like it spits on Santa Claus And that

1101
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: was why I was personally so mad. They went back

1102
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: in time and went back to the first Santa clause movie.

1103
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's you stay you stay away from that.

1104
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: I want short anywhere near that. Scott Calvin, you know,

1105
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: he retains all of his memories when the future, which

1106
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and I guess it's a fail safe to

1107
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,799
Speaker 1: you go back to the moment you were turned into Santa,

1108
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: So you guess. I guess you have another second to

1109
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: like the side, right, you could still make the choice

1110
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: to become Santa again in case you change. Oh my god,

1111
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: it's really mess at. Well, let's talk about what happens

1112
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: for the hour before this happens, because there's a lot

1113
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: of ship that doesn't make any sense. So because there's

1114
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: like forty seven plotlines. Um, So, after we learned about

1115
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: the escape clause, Santa goes to pick up his what

1116
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: his wife's parents and bring them to the North Pole.

1117
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: He also brings his his ex wife Laura, which is like,

1118
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: can anyone unspool that for me? The Laura, I know,

1119
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: the Laura I know would not be extremely eager to

1120
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: get my ex husband, who I have like a tensely

1121
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: okay relationship with at best, like my ex who I

1122
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: am like co parenting with, but then I'm not going

1123
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: to talk to him. The second Charlie graduates, why is

1124
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: she so eager to go be like at the bedside

1125
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: of his pregnant new wife. That did not make sense

1126
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: to me, And I was like, Laura would never So

1127
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: one thing I do have to say is they have

1128
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: a much warmer relationship in Santa Claus to the like

1129
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: they do. They do have a much warmer relationship and friendship.

1130
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: But I totally agree her. It's so frustrating. It's just

1131
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: like totally different tone and she's all of a sudden,

1132
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: just like wide eyed, bushy tail Santa Claus. Oh, I

1133
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: want to make a doll and and and and it

1134
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: just it's what really gets to me is that Neil

1135
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: and Laura are all of a sudden turned into these

1136
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: totally different characters that have no grounding in reality. And

1137
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: that shows how the rest of the film is not

1138
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: like rounded emotionally at all. So there's no like, there's nothing,

1139
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing to learn, there's nothing to feel, you know, yeah,

1140
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: like even if they do have a good relationship, I

1141
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: just can't see her offering to be his new wife's

1142
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: midwife out of like it just doesn't make sense to me.

1143
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: And then if Lucy really wanted to go, I could

1144
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: see her and Neil going with her, but I think

1145
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be like, oh, oh my god. They would

1146
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: be like, oh, this is cool, and here's the thing.

1147
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It would have been much funnier if

1148
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: they were themselves. It would have been much a much

1149
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: funnier movie if they were themselves. And Neil hams it

1150
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: up and I was like yoga with the elves, but

1151
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: that's not it. And also there's these weird just generic

1152
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: East Asian music cues, are music cues the whole Neil.

1153
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that kind of follows throughout

1154
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: the series as well of like a general So first

1155
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: of all, there are a number of weird racist music

1156
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: cues used whenever he talks about therapy and this movie.

1157
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's like a moment in the Santa Claus,

1158
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: the first Santa Claus to where it's like very anti therapy,

1159
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: very anti mental health for minute old because Neil is

1160
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: always made out to be like this hippie who's like

1161
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: trying to take care of his mental health and what

1162
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: a loser. Like that whole plot, that whole like angle

1163
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: does not age very well. But it was like especially

1164
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: bad in this movie. It was when he was like,

1165
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: let's take feelings inventory and you're like, okay, that is

1166
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: like I guess what this character would say. But then

1167
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 1: he's like using it to rationalize doing something that isn't

1168
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 1: what his character would do. I just don't get it.

1169
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: It was annoying and it's manipulative, and Neil in the

1170
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: earlier films I agree they shipped on it, but they

1171
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: also like let Neil be himself, and they also let

1172
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: him be like a reasonable parent, you know, like he's

1173
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: not he's not a villain. He's just like a guy

1174
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: they kind of make fun of, you know. That's kind

1175
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: of what I liked about Neil in the first movie

1176
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: was like the part of what aggravated Scott so much

1177
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: about Neil was that he was like a good guy

1178
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: and that really loved Laura, and like that's a more

1179
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: effective like emotional choice has been like making a you know,

1180
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: a villain, Mary, your ex wife, is making a genuinely

1181
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: nice guy who loves your ex wife be with her

1182
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: like that's I don't know. I thought that was cool.

1183
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: You don't usually and then they just whatever, throw it

1184
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: all away, throw it all away, kissing me off another

1185
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: weird thing, And I guess I understand why they did this,

1186
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: but it's also like, narratively speaking, it's a weird choice

1187
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: where they've shifted focus away from Charlie to Lucy. And

1188
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: Charlie is barely in the third movie, and it's like, yeah,

1189
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: he's a teenager that we're invested in Charlie as a

1190
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: character in his growth as a human being. And then

1191
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: not not only did they switch him out for Lucy,

1192
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: And I mean, I would understand him taking a backseat,

1193
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: but they don't hardly put him in at all, except

1194
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: for the fact that he saves the fucking day in

1195
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: the end, like he calls upon he apparently is in

1196
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: contact with the Council of Legendary Creatures. He calls upon

1197
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: them to like save the day in the end and

1198
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: like help make enough toys and whatnot. So he's just

1199
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: like in the background, like checking in, like okay, all right,

1200
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: well I gotta make some calls, you guys, do your

1201
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: little story and then I gotta like makes makes some

1202
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: send some emails, you know. But the other thing is

1203
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: Lucy is nothing character. There's nothing, nothing to Lucy at

1204
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: all except for the love of snow gloves. I feel

1205
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: bad because I'm like, okay, it's not I'm not talking

1206
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: on the actor the character. I'm just like, I've gotten

1207
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: I've got no interest in this character. I almost felt

1208
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: like she was being used at times because they couldn't

1209
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: afford to have Alan Arkin there, or they couldn't afford

1210
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: to have they only had Martin Short for so many days,

1211
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: like because Lucy would be used so in such like

1212
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: clutch moments, usually with like a red Bull machine. I

1213
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: just was like, yeah, red deer, red deer, red Deer.

1214
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm I've never been laughing less in

1215
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: my entire life, Like then when I saw a red deer.

1216
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: We've got to continue this synopsis because I have things

1217
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: to say about the Red Deer magi, but I feel

1218
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: like they'd be confusing if I said them now. But yeah,

1219
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: Lucy as a character, I'm just like the least developed

1220
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: and I'm so disinterested in her. Sorry, And she's there

1221
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: and Charlie is so basically like the whole family is

1222
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: now with the North Pole minus Charlie. So we're back

1223
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: at the North Pole. Jack Frost has been scheming. He's

1224
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: like breaking stuff, He's breaking the machinery, he's chaos is

1225
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: just erupting all around them. And then he finally figures

1226
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,879
Speaker 1: out how to get into the Hall of snow Globes

1227
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: where he goes into and sneal and steals Santa's snails,

1228
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: magic snow Globes. Neil, I love it. That's that's for

1229
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: all the fan people that wanted Santa to hook up

1230
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: with Neo. That's what they called. There's a category on

1231
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: fan fixed. Oh my god, this is such a joyless

1232
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: film that they're really there. Really isn't even like I

1233
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: don't even chip anyone with anyone really except Santa and

1234
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: Jack Frost, just because I think it would be cool,

1235
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: not because I think the movie laid that groundwork, really,

1236
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: but I will say that at one point in my notes,

1237
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: I wrote down, Um, the Santa Claus three is a

1238
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: coming out story. The North Pool itself is gay, maybe

1239
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: even trans. I'm sorry trying to like ground it. I

1240
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: just think you can't. You can't you can't ignore the

1241
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: fact that after the time travel menanigans, the North Pool

1242
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: is basically turned into a place for Jack processing show tunes.

1243
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: You can't ignore that. You simply can't. It's true. It's true,

1244
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: and Baby moats Art is there. What happens makes you think,

1245
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: It makes you think what happens sex. So, in addition

1246
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: to like all this chaos happening around the workshop, things

1247
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: are very tense between Santa and Mrs Claus and her

1248
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: parents and her are like, maybe we should have never

1249
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: come here, And then Jack Frost tricks Santa into saying

1250
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: I wish I'd never become Santa at all while he's

1251
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: holding the snow globe, which transforms both of them back

1252
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: their time on the night from the Santa Claus one

1253
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: when Scott Calvin kills Santa some random Santa and puts

1254
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: on his suit, only this time Jack Frost gets to

1255
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: it first and he puts on the Santa suit, making

1256
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: him become Santa. So then Scott Calvin is transported into

1257
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: this kind of like alternate timeline where he never became Santa.

1258
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: He's like a corporate stooge. He doesn't talk to his

1259
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: family anymore. His son hates him. Laura and Neil are divorced,

1260
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: and then, like, as we've said, Jack Frost has like

1261
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: commercialized the North Pole. I hate that his funk up

1262
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: means that Laura has to go through additional emotional trauma.

1263
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: Why does Scott rubbing a snow glove mean that Laura

1264
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: has to go through a second divorce. Not not only that,

1265
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: but they hint that she has like a shitty job

1266
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: like waitressing or something, or working in retail because they

1267
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,879
Speaker 1: give her a name. Take yeah, I don't even realize.

1268
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so now you're like, now she's also like

1269
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: poor even though her ex husband is like CEO of

1270
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: toys like what the and her other ex husband is

1271
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: doctor psychiatrists, like what the? It passed me up at that.

1272
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: I was like, why are we punishing Like, hasn't Laura

1273
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: been through enough? Hasn't Laura exhibited extreme patience with her

1274
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: ex husband Santa Clause over the years? Yes, why are

1275
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: we still punishing her? Are we still punishing Charlie And

1276
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't come on, I don't mean to rewind, but

1277
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: we did skip through a lot of stuff just now.

1278
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: In so so so Lucy and Lucy's parents also go

1279
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: up with Carol's parents and um Santa shows Lucy the

1280
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: snow glob room that we spoke of. And how you

1281
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: get to the snow globe room is you turn a

1282
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: couple of levers on a red deer like red bull

1283
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: vending machine. Did you, guys when you were kids and

1284
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: you didn't have any money and you have to wait

1285
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: for your parents or something somewhere, did you guys just

1286
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: press buttons on a vending machine or whatever? Because I

1287
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: used to do that all the or I would take

1288
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: like a common Pokemon card that didn't wasn't worth anything

1289
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: and just shove it into the dollars lot and see

1290
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: if something happen. They do was like, well this is

1291
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: a low value card, so this is the flowers to

1292
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: see if something would happen, or put a piece of

1293
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: paper in there, or taking like a paper clips. I

1294
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: guess like what I'm saying is I tried to rob

1295
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: any machines that was never successful. I think I actually

1296
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: used him a chop, but I have this crystal clear

1297
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: memory of that. For some just shoving up a chop

1298
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: into a you just gotta see what happens. Evocative. This

1299
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: is going to be in my Memoise and throughout this time,

1300
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: Jack Frost has been cleaning this information about how to

1301
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: get the snow and what Santa needs to do exactly.

1302
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: Um and at the same time he's just been fucking

1303
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 1: up the whole workshop by just freezing random things around

1304
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: the workshop and and creating huge fires and YadA YadA,

1305
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,520
Speaker 1: and no one's able to tell it's Jack Frost apparently,

1306
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: because even though this enemy of Christmas is like being

1307
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: punished by having to work there, no one's got an

1308
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: eye on him, which is Curtis's fault again another funk

1309
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: up from Curtis. Curtis is an abject failure. Like sorry,

1310
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like but it's it's it's it's why

1311
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: elves should have basic income because if Elves had basic income,

1312
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: Curtis could be fired and still have the resources that

1313
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: he needed, but he can't. The only way for Elves

1314
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: to survive is to do this busy work. Um. So

1315
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Jack Frost at all has also been messing with with

1316
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: Santa and Mrs Claus's marriage my causing various chaos and

1317
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: Carol again is just like, oh no, Santa's gotta gotta

1318
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: do all this stuff and isn't paying attention to me

1319
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: while there are literal fires happening. She's while all of

1320
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: this is happening, while her explosions and fires and machines

1321
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: going hey wire, She's like, why isn't Santa paying attention

1322
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: to me? It's infuriating, especially when you consider that her

1323
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: previous career was a school administrator. She's uniquely qualified to

1324
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: deal with this problem, like she has a master's for this.

1325
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: Carol is a totally different character. It's so frustrating because

1326
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: it's like it would literally have helped the script if

1327
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: she just pulled from her known skill set to deal

1328
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: with the problem. But instead they're so interested in just

1329
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: like making her so subservient and obsessed with her like

1330
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Santa husband. It just is so frustrating. Up, she's the

1331
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: one telling this story, so she is the one betraying herself.

1332
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: She's betraying herself as subservient's betraying herself is totally incompetent.

1333
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that. That's and insecure and codependent.

1334
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: She's the one telling this story that is brutal. I

1335
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: didn't even think of that. I was like, oh, this

1336
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: is all according to Carol. What if she finished that

1337
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: story and Scott was in the back of the classroom

1338
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh my god, Carol, you're being so

1339
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: hard on yourself. That would have been a beautiful way

1340
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: to end it, like, and it ended up being with

1341
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: her reckoning like, oh my god, I have such low

1342
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: self esteem, and like it goes I'm like, wow, I'm

1343
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: seeing myself all of a sudden, I'm seeing myself in Carol. Yeah,

1344
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and Santa like to an appointment with like a cognitive

1345
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: behavior Alf's therapist, Neil, and then Neil is like, Carol,

1346
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: You're like you have you have been present, you just

1347
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: are not giving yourself. You know. He needs some self esteem.

1348
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: And Carl's like, oh my god, I'm seeing it. Also

1349
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: clearly cut the get rid of the freeze frame on

1350
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: the baby is the last shot. The last shot should

1351
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: be like her like realization, like the Carol's waken up.

1352
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: I need to I need to realize my value. Yeah,

1353
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: and then that's how the movie ends. That's a relatable journey.

1354
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: I would be so on board with Carol being like,

1355
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: I why am I punishing myself? All I've done is

1356
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: my very best. I think that would have been really good,

1357
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: especially if they jumped forward like a thousand years and

1358
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Carol was getting like really old, and she was giving

1359
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the commencement speech at alf University, which is the university

1360
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: she founded. Is that a sister college to Santa University?

1361
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: It is? It is? Yeah, it would be Alfa University

1362
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: and not. I'm just just like, look at how the

1363
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: al firma right. Of course, the elves need an education.

1364
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: They deserve an enyation. I hope it's free. I don't

1365
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: know what if the elves are in debt, they should.

1366
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I think they have a union. Do you think they've unionized?

1367
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: Definitely not, because they have one. They literally work with

1368
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: their god, like Santa is their god. They work. That's

1369
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: like have the angels unionized? No, because their entire their

1370
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: entire stick is like like just serving God, and the

1371
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: elves entire stick is serving Santa. He can literally There's

1372
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 1: multiple times in the movie where he tells the elves

1373
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: to say something and then they all say it in unison.

1374
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: We love this is class. After she's like, I want

1375
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: a human family. These elves are are I hate them?

1376
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, first of all, those are obviously

1377
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: human children, Carol. They're like, read the room, but she won't.

1378
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 1: She I felt okay, so and then another moment because

1379
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: Carol like, you're totally right, great, she has nothing to

1380
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: do with the Carol we met and fell in love

1381
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: with in Santa Claus too. And then there's even a

1382
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: scene where I was like on Jack Frost's side yet again,

1383
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: where he kind of there's like a scene where Carol

1384
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: is like just blankly staring at a Christmas tree, like

1385
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: blankly touching it with her fingers and just and she's

1386
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 1: filling up a Christmas tree and then Martin short leans

1387
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: in and it's like, hey, Carol, and then he basically

1388
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: said a bunch of things that I agreed with, where

1389
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: he was like, so, don't you regret marrying someone who

1390
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: values their job more than they value you, Like, don't

1391
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: you ever feel like lesser than in the way that

1392
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: your husband treats you? And she was like, no, I don't.

1393
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: And she's like she's like tweaking the Christmas trees nipples

1394
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: the whole time, not even making eye contact with Jack

1395
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: Frost as being like, no, I love I love Christmas.

1396
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: I just wish my husband was would be looking at

1397
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: my my jingle bell pregnancy more. I'm when is Greg

1398
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: going to come and you're just I was so frustrated

1399
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: with her in that scene because I'm like, that's not

1400
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: the carolinea And I'm on board with Jack Frost. I agree.

1401
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: My whole thing too, is that like she could have

1402
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: responded like, well, I don't think he prioritizes work over me.

1403
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: I think that like this is like a difficult time,

1404
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: Like she could have said something that made sense for

1405
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: why she wanted to stay with Scott, but also wasn't

1406
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,839
Speaker 1: her just being like Christmas, you know? But she simply

1407
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: did not, And she even goes as far as so

1408
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: like let Jack pick the Christmas tree, like when her

1409
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: whole thing was like I'm going to pick this Christmas.

1410
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: She's getting mowed over. It's so not fair. It makes me.

1411
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: It made me sad, yeah, because I was just like Carol, like,

1412
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: you're totally right, Like she could have just been like, well,

1413
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 1: if this was a March birth, it would be a

1414
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: very different story, but she's like I don't care, Like

1415
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: it's just so it made me sad to Carol's parents,

1416
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: not like I know that Carol's parents need to be

1417
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: completely like not caring about anything in order for this

1418
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: plot to work, but they also are like, okay, this

1419
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: is actually a two prong question. I'm so sorry we're

1420
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: about to hit the two hour mark. The I have

1421
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: a two prong question, which is, first of all, I

1422
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: was like, wait a second, like Alan Arkin and and

1423
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Margaret seemed to be very like I just was I

1424
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: would be curious of what the discussion was when she

1425
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: went home to them, was like, I'm marrying an elderly

1426
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Canadian toy maker. No, not I'm marry I'm married, Not

1427
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm married. They had before they had to be, but

1428
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 1: he guilts her into marrying him at the end of

1429
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: that movie. We'll talk about that grace when you come

1430
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: back for the Center Claus two episode. But but but

1431
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: like we're to like if you're, you know, a successful

1432
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: school administrator and you're like thirties and you go home

1433
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: to your parents that you say, I have just I've

1434
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: already married an elderly Canadian toymaker. I just feel like

1435
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: there is a bigger conversation there that we never get

1436
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: a look into. And then on top of that, I

1437
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: have a just a because I didn't rewatch the Santa

1438
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: Claus to for this is Carol now immortal? Is that?

1439
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Like I think so I think she think, Well, here's

1440
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 1: what I think. I think so, so think about this.

1441
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 1: When Scott Calvin goes to the North Pole in the

1442
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: first this movie, right after Santa Claus dies, he does

1443
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: not meet the old Mrs Claus right now, So I

1444
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 1: think what what must be forbid and true is that

1445
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: when someone becomes any Mrs Clause, they are basically pledging

1446
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: there there they're entwining their life literally in with Santa Claus,

1447
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: so that when Santa Claus dies, Mrs Claus dies. I

1448
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: brought this up on the on the on the other episode, Yeah,

1449
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: we talked about this where I think her life force,

1450
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Mrs Claus's life force is attached to Mr Claus and

1451
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: if he dies, she dies unless unless So between Santa

1452
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 1: Claus one and two, there's what like whatever number of

1453
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: years that Scott Calvin is not married, so he's allowed

1454
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: he's apparently allowed to get away, so seven years that

1455
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: he's not so he's allowed to get away without a

1456
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Mrs Claus for seven years until suddenly there's this other

1457
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: clause where he is of the tee. There's like actually

1458
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: year seven. Actually it becomes urgent. Suddenly it's very urgent.

1459
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: So maybe the Santa Claus, that Scott Calvin Kills was

1460
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: also just unmarried the way that he is unmarried for

1461
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: seven years at the onset of Santa Claus too, that's

1462
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,640
Speaker 1: a possibility that we must consider. Please and thank you.

1463
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 1: I think it's possible, but I do not think that's

1464
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: the case. I think possibly so. But but that but

1465
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: that is all to say, like now that she is

1466
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: permanently But it just I also feel like it is

1467
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 1: a weird movie choice, right because usually traditionally we see

1468
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Santa Claus and Mrs Clause are you know of comparable

1469
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 1: ages visually, but to you know, preserve Mrs Claus in

1470
01:36:53,640 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: carbonite as a young woman of birthing age forever her

1471
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, is she is her job to be pregnant now?

1472
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: Like that? I just was like I was stumbling over that. Um,

1473
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is I find just missed

1474
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,759
Speaker 1: David Krumholtz. Well, No, that's an interesting point because like again,

1475
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: because Tim Allen as Santa looks visibly quite old, he's

1476
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: got white hair, he seems like a senior. Whereas Carol

1477
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 1: as Mrs Claus, they don't age her up at all because,

1478
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,839
Speaker 1: like Tim Allen they're still technically like he's like older

1479
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: than her as got Calvin, but not literally, but like

1480
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: they visibly aged Tim Allen up, but they do not

1481
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,879
Speaker 1: age her up at all, because it's like a Hollywood

1482
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: sexist thing where it's like, well, we don't want to

1483
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 1: see an older woman on screen with our eyes gross.

1484
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: We have to keep her young looking and preserve her

1485
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: youthful looks. But we can age this man up as

1486
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: much as we want. So yeah, and it's I also,

1487
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: I wonder if Santa is in control of that, you know, well,

1488
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean I guess he is, Like apparently there's a

1489
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: whole law about how you cannot cross him, so maybe mean,

1490
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: Caitlin seven hours, Well, let me finish this recap. I'm

1491
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: almost done, and then then we'll start there and then

1492
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: just then that begins the two hour discussion. We will

1493
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: have no um okay. So Jack Frost as Santa has

1494
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: commercialized the North Pole turned it into a resort. So

1495
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Scott Calvin goes back to the North Pole, confronts Jack Frost,

1496
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,520
Speaker 1: who looks so frightening as Santa Claus by the way,

1497
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: and Scott Calvin has Lucy help him get his snow

1498
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: globe back, and then Scott tricks Jack Frost into saying

1499
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: that he wished he had never he had like voice

1500
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,520
Speaker 1: recorded it earlier. The spell gets the clause gets reversed,

1501
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: and it transforms them back to the same moment in

1502
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: the first movie, where we then cut to footage from

1503
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: the first movie and uh, Scott is like holds Jack

1504
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: Frost back so that Scott Calvin can put on the

1505
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: Santa suit and everything goes back to the way it

1506
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: was with Scott being Santa Claus. And so he goes

1507
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: back to the North Pole. He and Carol makeup, she

1508
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: has her baby, and then that's the end of the movie.

1509
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: I think you do. Gracie brought this up a couple

1510
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: of hours ago, but I I do think that you know,

1511
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 1: nine eleven should come up in this movie, and it doesn't. Well,

1512
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: six that's a big cultural so it kind of does.

1513
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:02,480
Speaker 1: It kind of does because there is so when Curtis

1514
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: is like, Curtis is in this little excomobile and he

1515
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: comes up to Jack Frost and Jack Fross is like, so,

1516
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 1: I have heard about this escape clause. Can you tell

1517
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: me more? Curtis says, no, I can't because of the

1518
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 1: elf Land Security Act. Oh yes, right, Oh my god,

1519
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: that totally went over my head. And if we all remember,

1520
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: if we all remember in the Santa Claus too, we

1521
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 1: see that in the North Pole has a military not

1522
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: just the strike team from Santa Claus one, but there's

1523
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 1: Health Khan too, and they have there's like met military

1524
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 1: medals and stuff. Yes, I totally forgot they militarized the

1525
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: North Pole and Padel. You've gotten wonder what was there?

1526
01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: How many planes? How many planes? Three? Four? Nos? Four planes?

1527
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Because whatever? So was there? A fifth plane was there?

1528
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my gums started bleeding when you said that.

1529
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: It's oh my god, there don't look at my teeth. Okay,

1530
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: going on, moving, moving right along. That was the one

1531
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 1: thing I forgot to write this down. But the part

1532
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: of set design that I also found very visually striking

1533
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 1: and disturbing was the Santa Claus plane. The North Pole plane.

1534
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you okay? It happens sometimes when

1535
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: I get really worked up. I just started to bleed

1536
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:47,600
Speaker 1: from from everywhere. Um, I happened with my teeth, It

1537
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,520
Speaker 1: happens with my nose. It happens all the time. Okay,

1538
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm falling apart and the plane where it's like you

1539
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: get the aerial shot of the plane and it's Santa's

1540
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 1: arms wingspans, like he's a bird who can fly. I think, okay,

1541
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: could we quickly because I think we've I mean, Carol disserviced,

1542
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: not the woman we met completely, just like she's and

1543
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 1: she also disappears for so like long stretches of the

1544
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: moving When Scott goes back in time, Carol is the

1545
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 1: only one he doesn't say hi to. And also no

1546
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 1: one knows who she is, so it's you feel bad,

1547
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, so no one even knows she exists

1548
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: in this timeframe. That's really sad, right. They explain it

1549
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: as as like because he's like where he's talking to

1550
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Laura when he goes back, he's like in the alternate timeline,

1551
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: and he's like, where's Carol Newman And she's like who

1552
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Charlie's principle, I don't know she moved away, but it

1553
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: would have been such a more like a stronger emotional

1554
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: beat if he had gone to her and she's like,

1555
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know who you are, or like I don't

1556
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: heard that my student's dad who never bothers to show

1557
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,839
Speaker 1: up to anything. A piece of ship, Like why wouldn't

1558
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:10,560
Speaker 1: they have included them? Anyway, Here's what I think was

1559
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 1: going on. Here's my theory. I mean, so this actress

1560
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 1: who plays Mrs Claus, Elizabeth Mitchell, was on Lost from

1561
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: two thousand, so she might have been shooting Lost and

1562
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: they maybe didn't have as much time with her as

1563
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: they thought they would. That's I think that. My guess

1564
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: is that happened with a lot of actors in this

1565
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 1: movie is they didn't have a big enough like The

1566
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 1: Santa Claus three doesn't have a better budget than Lost.

1567
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: So if Elizabeth Mitchell is like, well where am I

1568
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 1: gonna go, She's gonna go with Lost and not The

1569
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. My guess is that maybe maybe maybe maybe

1570
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: Ed Dector and John J. Strauss don't come on the pod,

1571
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 1: but like let us know, you know, like I would

1572
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 1: bet that maybe she was supposed to be more involved

1573
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: and then maybe I don't know, that's maybe Hollywood should

1574
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: learn a little fucking loyalty. You know. She should have

1575
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: been like, fuck you, damon Lindelof, I'm going to buy

1576
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: a Mrs Claus and I'm going to be so pregnant.

1577
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: That'll show him and that will show him. But one

1578
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: other thing, one other thing, one just one do you

1579
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: can only get one more grace. I just thought, you know,

1580
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: if I was Carol's parents, like just taking in what

1581
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: I've been told is Canada, I'd be like, well, this

1582
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 1: obviously is in Canada, and my son in law is

1583
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: running a human trafficking This is obviously some sort of

1584
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 1: like child trafficking thing. These child little like indentured servants,

1585
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Like this is horrible. We need to call someone. It's very,

1586
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: very dark, like the Elf situation. I feel like I

1587
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: I try, I have to almost suspend my disbelief and

1588
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: be like I think that we're supposed to think. I

1589
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:08,520
Speaker 1: can't get too deep into it, or I'll start to cry.

1590
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't, it doesn't. Something's not right there, not right there.

1591
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: And now Jamie's Jamie's comes are just gushy. Are your

1592
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: eyes bleeding? Are you bleeding from your eyes? It just

1593
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 1: burns the blood vessel in my eye because I thought

1594
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 1: too hard about the Santa clause. Again, it happens to

1595
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 1: me all the time. This is just where we're at

1596
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: at this point in the year. But but speaking to

1597
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 1: the Elves, Spencer Breslyn's character sucks so much. He's supposed

1598
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: to be the best self. As we've said, he's not

1599
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: the best elf. But the way that he displays that

1600
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: he's not the best elf is that he gets into

1601
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 1: this weird like masculinity like superiority contest with Martin Short,

1602
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 1: where Martin Short dupes him so easily, Like, I bet

1603
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: you don't even know what this really specific law is

1604
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: its presents, Like are you serious? Of course I know

1605
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 1: what this specific law is. Here's this specific law. Fuck that, um,

1606
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Lucy really quick, because we didn't

1607
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: really end up getting to Lucy. Here's my question, why

1608
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 1: do Why am I supposed to care about Lucy? You're

1609
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,679
Speaker 1: not even I don't care about Lucy, and I feel bad,

1610
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: but I also don't know's got to be a deleted

1611
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: scene too, because like, so yes, it's Scott fixes it,

1612
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: he's Santag and Jack Frost. It has been subdued, and

1613
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 1: the Council of Legends, as we said, has been called

1614
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 1: by Charlie um and and they're mad at Jack Frost. However,

1615
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Lucy's parents, Laura and Neil, are still frozen, and Jack

1616
01:46:56,120 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 1: Frost says, I can't unfreeze them because to unfreeze, I

1617
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 1: would have to unfreeze myself, which I don't know what

1618
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: in the moment, I don't know what that means. Jack

1619
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Frost is a fucking elemental afagar of ice. I laid

1620
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: on the floor when that happens, like that, hid the

1621
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: movie ends in five minutes. What do you mean? What

1622
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And then Santa gives Lucy a

1623
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 1: nod and it's like, you know what to do, as

1624
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: if they've discussed this a point of the movie, which,

1625
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: if so gross does and she goes up to this

1626
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:53,799
Speaker 1: villainous man and gives him a big hug, which thoughts

1627
01:47:53,920 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 1: him this disgusting way where his skin starts to he

1628
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: starts to melt. And as this happens, he he he

1629
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: gives out moans of pleasure. This girl is holding him

1630
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: because like just he's moaning in pleasure, and he's like,

1631
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: who I smell sunscreen? You know like that? And then

1632
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 1: he speaks Spanish. He speaks Spanish, and he's done this.

1633
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: He's been my cake compadre before and this is like

1634
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: a Martin short dag that he brings into all of

1635
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:43,640
Speaker 1: his fucking roles from like the three of me goes onwards.

1636
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 1: He'll just break in a Spanish sometimes and it comes

1637
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 1: home's pretty weird and races. I guess like it just

1638
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 1: is out of my field, and it feels like it's

1639
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: like the joke is that he's speaking Spanish, and I

1640
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 1: feel like if they joke because that you're speaking another language,

1641
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: that's not great. The worst part is social. After she's

1642
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 1: done hugging him and he's continuing to melt or unfreeze,

1643
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 1: I guess this is the word in this world, not

1644
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: melt unfreeze. He goes, I don't know, how could you

1645
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 1: do this? And she goes, you didn't know about the

1646
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: power of magic hugs. Because of that, she has that power,

1647
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 1: not just a regular power. Can I keep going because

1648
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 1: I think per magic hugs? And what happens? Skin open?

1649
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: As yes, she wrecks his skin open. He moans in pleasure,

1650
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 1: and as soon as he's unfrozen, he's suddenly in a

1651
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: white suit. His skin is normal. But worst of all,

1652
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 1: he's got like this comb over thing going on. He

1653
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 1: no longer has his hair frozen bag, which is like

1654
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 1: perfect hair for Barton short. He's just got regular hair,

1655
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 1: which makes him look like an adult child, just a

1656
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: real fucking weirdo, like a little fucking like disgraced pastor,

1657
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 1: and he just it's disgusting, Like what happened is not

1658
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 1: just disgusting, it also is like kind of set up

1659
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,959
Speaker 1: too much in a way. That because in an earlier

1660
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: scene Lucy, like Santa brings Lucy into the Hall of

1661
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 1: snow Gloves, which is like the hall of photoshop floating snowblooks.

1662
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: But in that scene, Lucy grabs the snow globe that

1663
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, it's my snow globe. And then you

1664
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:45,600
Speaker 1: zoom into this snow globe and it's a tinier Lucy

1665
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 1: and she hugs a snowman and the snowman turns pink,

1666
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 1: foreshadowing Yeah, and then Scots like you have those magics,

1667
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: Scott set up. I just didn't fucking catch it. I mean,

1668
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: this poetry, it is, it is there is what the

1669
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:07,799
Speaker 1: thing about this? This it's like any given the Santa

1670
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Claus movie is a million word poem, right, because you

1671
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: got the dialogue, but you've also got all the pictures.

1672
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: And if a picture is worth a thousand words, and

1673
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 1: this must be a million word poem. This is not

1674
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,760
Speaker 1: a good poem, but it is a poem, and there

1675
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: is it is the fact that that Lucy has magical hugs,

1676
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: which is a creepy set up. The creepy payoff is

1677
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 1: set up with a creepy setup. I hate it. I

1678
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 1: wish that, like Lucy doesn't need to be there, you

1679
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: can cut out that whole. I get like we want

1680
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: to bring Laura and Judge Reinhold back into it, but

1681
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,640
Speaker 1: like you could have gotten rid of them, especially if

1682
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: you're getting rid of Charlie to Like, what's the point

1683
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 1: of bringing that back? I mean, when you think about it,

1684
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 1: what this movie is is really a climate change origin story.

1685
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,639
Speaker 1: Because Okay, I'm listening to all of a sudden, Jack

1686
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:04,400
Speaker 1: Frost doesn't ust anymore. The man who summons winter is

1687
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 1: just gone. We don't know. Also, is he gonna diet

1688
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 1: now that he's lost his ice magic? Is he not

1689
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 1: an immortal anymore? Has this? Has this little girl damned

1690
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: him to hell? We don't know. Are these more questions

1691
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 1: that you will answer in the Santa claus For? Perhaps

1692
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 1: the Santa claus For is actually kind of a bottle episode.

1693
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 1: It all takes place at the hospital. Good I don't

1694
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 1: want to spoil anything else, but he don know if

1695
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: Bernard isn't there, I'm gonna scream, I'm gonna lose it.

1696
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring there's gonna be consequences if Bernard's not there.

1697
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: All right, we need crumb Holt available because we know

1698
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: mentioned Martin short kind of randomly speaking Spanish in ways

1699
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 1: that displayed as a racist joke. Let's not forget the duck,

1700
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: the toy duck that speaks three languages. The duck says,

1701
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: l Duco says QUACKO. L duck says quack and ill

1702
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:18,440
Speaker 1: duck says quack. A. So it's I guess it's Spanish,

1703
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 1: French and Italian. But it's just like, are you fucking joking?

1704
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: L ducko says quacko. That to me, that was just

1705
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 1: horrendous writing. That was just like the worst word, Like

1706
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't translate three sentences. That wasn't the duck says quack.

1707
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:39,559
Speaker 1: Also that the logic of that toy doesn't even make sense.

1708
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: Why would you want a duck that when you squeeze

1709
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 1: it, it it says hi, I'm a duck, I say quack.

1710
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 1: That doesn't even make any sense. Yeah, that was that

1711
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 1: was like that was a very two thousand they're like

1712
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: I want a duck that says, yeah, that wasn't that

1713
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. I didn't like the music cues that were

1714
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: like lined up with Neil that was really two thousand

1715
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: six in an unsavory way. It's just there's there's just

1716
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: so much of this movie you're just like, what is

1717
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:16,639
Speaker 1: fucked up? And what is just horrific writing? And sometimes

1718
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 1: it's both. Are all the elves white? No? There there

1719
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 1: you do see some non white elves scattered, but they're

1720
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 1: not they're rarely given any lines. Ifever, they're not prominently featured. Yeah,

1721
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:35,720
Speaker 1: definitely not. There's there's more people of color and this

1722
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: movie than is in the Santa Claus One, but not

1723
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: in meaningful roles. Because even when it's like Aisha Tyler

1724
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 1: is God, but still they don't give her anything to do. Uh.

1725
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: Kind of the same thing with the Sandman. Who is

1726
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: that guy from Star Trek What is his name? He's

1727
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:59,200
Speaker 1: like a star Trek legend Michael Dorn. Yeah, he's like

1728
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: he's a Star Trek legend and he plays the Sandman

1729
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and he's like he's in one scene and it's like,

1730
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 1: I get the movie is not funny, but it's supposed

1731
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: to be funny, but then he never comes back and

1732
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 1: so it's just like it's just an empty husk of

1733
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: a fucking movie. It sucks. We didn't even talk about

1734
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: how the whole opening sequence is like Mrs Claus going

1735
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 1: into labor just kidding and then everyone's mad at her happen.

1736
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: One of the albums is like I canceled that patticure

1737
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: for this, which just threw so many opportunities for interesting

1738
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: relationships between women. There were like more opportunities for like

1739
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 1: let's give motherfucking nature something to do, and it just

1740
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: like it just doesn't happen. It just never happens. And

1741
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: with Carol, like we we were talking about how she

1742
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 1: the way that she's characterized in Santa Claus two is

1743
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 1: completely undone, and she's made to seem, you know this

1744
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: like codependent, you know, kind of there's a bunch of

1745
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: weird stuff going on there. I do want to give

1746
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to dump too much on her just because

1747
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: like she has every right to like expect things from

1748
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 1: her partner, even if it is like busy season at work.

1749
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 1: But like sure, yeah, it's the way, but the way

1750
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,919
Speaker 1: it's written, the ways written He's like, there's no nuance

1751
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: to it. It's just like a fucking mess. Nothing makes it,

1752
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: And she's just like, if I'm being honest, I also

1753
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 1: don't think that the writers just knowing that they're the

1754
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: same writers, as there's something about Mary. I don't think

1755
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: that they are like, oh, it just didn't read for

1756
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people that she actually does deserve better. Like,

1757
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that they are thinking that hard about

1758
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 1: her character, which is why I felt like a little

1759
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,960
Speaker 1: more comfortable dumping on it, because I'm like, these these

1760
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 1: writers have demonstrated time and time again that they don't

1761
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 1: really care about how they write female characters at all. Totally.

1762
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Is there something about Mary not like a cool feminist movie? Oh? Sorry,

1763
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 1: I should have it actually really is? And so I

1764
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: say that because I'm like, well, nothing they wrote could

1765
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 1: compare to the we gave it five nipples across the board. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1766
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, Carol very clearly deserves better. But

1767
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't think the writers think that. Yeah, for sure,

1768
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 1: they're just like wives are naggy, right, wives are like

1769
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:36,040
Speaker 1: always just like, why don't you spend more time with me? Yeah?

1770
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: In the second movie, they did have her as a

1771
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:43,839
Speaker 1: fully realized character who like maybe unreasonably made a decision

1772
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 1: in the end to throw her life away for that.

1773
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:50,879
Speaker 1: She like she like, you know, was this like principle

1774
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: who had like a personality and whatnot. And now they're

1775
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: just like, well, now she's not woman, she's wife. No

1776
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: longer wife now, you know, right, Like being married makes

1777
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: her suddenly deeply uncomplicated, obsessed with reproduction and the attention

1778
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: of her husband. Like that, That's where I thought those

1779
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: writers were at. I just didn't think they were trying

1780
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 1: to build a nuance for sure character. She definitely deserves better,

1781
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 1: and I see, like, obviously, if you're eight months pregnant

1782
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 1: year round, you're gonna like need some assistance, and you

1783
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: deserve some assistance from your partner. But they're just like

1784
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, like they're thinking, no, no, no,

1785
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 1: they're not. There was a game Boy game for this.

1786
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 1: What there's a there's a I'm sorry, I was just

1787
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 1: like going through Wikipedia. Let me double chat. There are

1788
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: no game Boy Advance, game Boy Advance in two thousand six,

1789
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: there was a game Boy Advance game. There's a play

1790
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:54,520
Speaker 1: through on YouTube that I'm scrolling through right now. You're

1791
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: playing a Santa in some scenes, but then two thirds

1792
01:58:57,720 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: of the way through the game, much like the movie,

1793
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 1: you become Tim Allen in a suit, and I think

1794
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 1: you just played through the plot of the movie. I

1795
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 1: think that's all you do. Incredible. Well, it sounds like

1796
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 1: a great game. Then, since this movie took good I

1797
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 1: feel so bad for Alan Arkin to have to have

1798
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 1: been in this movie. I feel really bad for i

1799
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 1: should Tyler. I think that the Tooth Fairy wishes he

1800
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: was Robert de Niro. Um the Easter Bunny is scary.

1801
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm just reading through the three notes that I took

1802
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: for this movie. Wasn't expecting the anti capitalist message, but

1803
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:36,520
Speaker 1: like you said, Jamie, it feels extremely hollow coming from

1804
01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 1: a Disney movie. Right. I'm just like, okay, cool, So

1805
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: did you not want me to pay you eighteen dollars?

1806
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 1: And that's what annoys me is when hyper capitalist companies

1807
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 1: are like what if I made an anti capitalist message?

1808
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, fuck you. I don't know, I

1809
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 1: just it makes me. I know that it makes me. Man.

1810
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, cool, but like you still, oh sorry,

1811
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 1: do you not want me to go to your theme parks?

1812
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,120
Speaker 1: Like what are you saying? This was Disney being like

1813
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: all other theme parks are that ethical theme parks under

1814
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: capitalism are Disney World. That's how that's the new that's

1815
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: the new phrase, which is so such bullshit because it's

1816
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:28,919
Speaker 1: the second you even step foot within like twenty miles

1817
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 1: of Disneyland, they're trying to upsell you on everything, which

1818
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:35,760
Speaker 1: is like what happens at North Pole, the theme park

1819
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: in the movie. So it's just like, what are you

1820
02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 1: talking about? Disney? There's this? And then but I do

1821
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 1: I did maybe I was just so emotionally exhausted at

1822
02:00:45,400 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 1: this point. But at the end where Alan Arkins says,

1823
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 1: so your father Christmas, which means and he keeps like

1824
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 1: really milking it, and he's like, so that means that

1825
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm father in law Chris Smiths and then and then

1826
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:05,960
Speaker 1: the movie pauses for laughs, which is never a good

1827
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 1: sign when the movie like building time for you to laugh. Oh,

1828
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 1: it's not good. But doesn't that mean he has to die? Then?

1829
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh he must die? You knew the secret. I think

1830
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 1: that I think that father Christmas in law would have

1831
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,080
Speaker 1: also just been a funnier string of words. That's my

1832
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:28,480
Speaker 1: personal opinion. I mean this fucking that. That exchange takes

1833
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds. It's so poorly edited and long. It's

1834
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:36,240
Speaker 1: really long. It keeps cutting back to Tim Alan and

1835
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:39,360
Speaker 1: it's like, m I don't really care how he reacts,

1836
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 1: but that means they have to kill Alan Arkin Grace

1837
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:46,520
Speaker 1: Like they keep repeating s os, do you guys think

1838
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:50,400
Speaker 1: Alan Arkin is a cool guy in real life? So

1839
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:53,240
Speaker 1: so I just feel like I'm not saying he's a

1840
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 1: bad dude, but he's kind of out one mode and

1841
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 1: it's like cranky dude. I don't know, maybe maybe that's

1842
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:04,840
Speaker 1: not his in real life mode. But I always wonder

1843
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:08,600
Speaker 1: when guys, like when actors only have one mode? Is

1844
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 1: that because maybe I mean that's Tim Allen, Right, that's

1845
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:21,160
Speaker 1: Tim Allen. That's what I mean, Karl Mark's Communist manifesto Wikipedia. Wikipedia.

1846
02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 1: That's what if? What if they cut do okay over

1847
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:28,240
Speaker 1: the shoulder shot of Scott Calvin Santa Claus. He's making

1848
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:34,440
Speaker 1: unless he's checking into twice, but all it says it's Wikipedia,

1849
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 1: ver and over and over. I think you have a

1850
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:45,000
Speaker 1: five to ten k like meme on your aunts. Jake, Alright,

1851
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get out of here. My friends

1852
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 1: I got, I got Sarahton into Chase. Does anyone we've

1853
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,720
Speaker 1: been recording for a hundred hours, does anyone have any

1854
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:01,240
Speaker 1: other thoughts feeling? I have a few? Can I just

1855
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 1: read off some notes? Okay, I'm just gonna start from

1856
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:08,040
Speaker 1: the from the top, which might include something that I've

1857
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 1: already said, but I'm just going to read them off.

1858
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:14,400
Speaker 1: How are new elves made? They're all kids? Have a

1859
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:18,920
Speaker 1: Gail Breslin. If Mrs Class is teaching elementary school, then

1860
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:23,480
Speaker 1: who's teaching high school? Huge? Tim Alan Santa fireplace in hospital?

1861
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 1: Not just Santa tim Alan Santa Dollar Store? Beans is back?

1862
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:30,720
Speaker 1: Why doesn't the al firm al Firm have a human ward?

1863
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 1: If elves are not born but made, what do they

1864
02:03:33,880 --> 02:03:38,240
Speaker 1: think of pregnancy and birth? Is the child elf doctor

1865
02:03:38,360 --> 02:03:41,959
Speaker 1: going to pull the baby out of out of this spots?

1866
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:45,800
Speaker 1: I think the reindeer are very ill all the time.

1867
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:49,960
Speaker 1: They are. They're party. They are full of slime and

1868
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 1: so very sticky and what this whole movie has a

1869
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:57,160
Speaker 1: much less down to earth feel, very truly weird music

1870
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 1: and it's more goofy tone makes Lucy's whole deal. I'll

1871
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 1: just not stand out. They they hate Jack Frost because

1872
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:09,360
Speaker 1: he's gay. Jack is simply more messy than naughty. But

1873
02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:13,200
Speaker 1: more than that, he understands how the world works. Jack

1874
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 1: could have singlehandedly killed Santa with one breath. No, but

1875
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:21,760
Speaker 1: the legendary figures can't use their magic on each other.

1876
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 1: Remember this is that's true, but until the end of

1877
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 1: the break the law. Break the law. At this point,

1878
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:32,320
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not like a legal thing. It's

1879
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: like they physically cannot do it physically. There's just so

1880
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 1: many different types of laws in this world. Okay, Also

1881
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 1: very important, why is Jack obsessed with with asking random

1882
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 1: people to be his elves? He does just very awkwardly,

1883
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:54,200
Speaker 1: like shoe horning, you beat my elf, and that just

1884
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:58,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make It doesn't make any sense, especially because he's

1885
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:02,040
Speaker 1: got this plot to just be um Santa. Because he

1886
02:05:02,120 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: asks some of the already existing elves, then he asks

1887
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 1: Lucy the human Child, and then he and then he

1888
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:13,560
Speaker 1: also he also asks and Margaret in like a sexy

1889
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:17,000
Speaker 1: seductive way. He's like, will you be my elf? And

1890
02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:21,720
Speaker 1: she's like, but it's like, what is your game, sir?

1891
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:26,280
Speaker 1: There should be a there should be a spinoff of

1892
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus through the Escape clause. That is just

1893
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: more Jack's like Jack Frost, Jack Ship, Jack Dawson from

1894
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:41,960
Speaker 1: Titanic Jack Dawson. Have you guys considered like what if

1895
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:49,040
Speaker 1: this movie had made a billion dollars, would have had

1896
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 1: Like you can't say that like this was before Iron Man.

1897
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,560
Speaker 1: We could We could just have a bunch of like

1898
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 1: Christmas movies throughout every year and different like legends and

1899
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:10,120
Speaker 1: whatnot and not not superheroes. I don't know if imagine how. Yeah,

1900
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:13,280
Speaker 1: the world would be so different it hurts. It hurts

1901
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,000
Speaker 1: to think about would you prefer that world or the

1902
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:19,800
Speaker 1: one that we currently have or if you didn't, if

1903
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:23,520
Speaker 1: you didn't know what that question, if you didn't know

1904
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:27,680
Speaker 1: what that world was like you just knew it was different.

1905
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:32,600
Speaker 1: Would you take a chance and jump into it? Oh? Fun, Yes,

1906
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 1: yes I think so, and I would be Would I

1907
02:06:35,480 --> 02:06:38,440
Speaker 1: be disappointed? Yes? Would I regret it? But would I

1908
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: have what I have tried? Much like being Santa's wife.

1909
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:46,320
Speaker 1: I would give it a good six months just to

1910
02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 1: see and then I would escape clause myself. Okay, that's

1911
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,800
Speaker 1: what I was just gonna say. The movie should be

1912
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:57,280
Speaker 1: about Mrs Claus having the opportunity to invoke the Escape

1913
02:06:57,320 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 1: clause should her story, The Escape should be divorced, because

1914
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:06,240
Speaker 1: she's given up, She's sacrificed everything in her life, her who,

1915
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 1: like her family, her career, like all this stuff. She

1916
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:13,120
Speaker 1: probably has some regrets. This movie would have been so

1917
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 1: much better if it had been about her and her

1918
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:20,600
Speaker 1: journey and her deciding whether or not she wanted to

1919
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:24,000
Speaker 1: escape this life, or if maybe she maybe, through this

1920
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:26,480
Speaker 1: journey she learns that it is worth it after all.

1921
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 1: But that would have been so much more compelling. I

1922
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:31,640
Speaker 1: don't give a shit If Scott Kelvin wants to not

1923
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:36,040
Speaker 1: be Santa anymore, I don't care well. And also Santa Never,

1924
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:40,600
Speaker 1: like Scott Never really doesn't want to be Santa exactly.

1925
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:43,240
Speaker 1: It's not like It's a Wonderful Life where he's like

1926
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:47,520
Speaker 1: really like, I don't want to real life anymore. I'm

1927
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:51,680
Speaker 1: going to drop off. You know. He doesn't do that

1928
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:55,360
Speaker 1: perfect perfect no nuts. If this was just like a

1929
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 1: beat for a beat redo of It's a Wonderful Life

1930
02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:01,600
Speaker 1: with Santa Claus, it would have been up my better movie. Yeah,

1931
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:03,760
Speaker 1: and I hate It's a Wonderful Life. And I know

1932
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm alone in thinking that, but I think that movie

1933
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 1: sucks and I don't find it charming or good at all.

1934
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:13,040
Speaker 1: There I said it. I don't feel strongly either way,

1935
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,320
Speaker 1: but oh I feel about it's a wonderful life. I've

1936
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 1: seen it. I'm like, yeah, that was nice, and that's

1937
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 1: all I have to say about it. And then my

1938
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 1: head exploded in blood, which is you know, want to happen?

1939
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:30,919
Speaker 1: All right? Does anyone have anything else? We have to stop?

1940
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:35,400
Speaker 1: So the movie sucks. I wish I could invoke an

1941
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:39,520
Speaker 1: escape clause from ever having seen this movie. Yeah, get

1942
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:41,400
Speaker 1: me the funk out of this movie. That would be

1943
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:44,000
Speaker 1: my review. Here's my review. If I was a film

1944
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:47,360
Speaker 1: critic and writing like like an article, like a review

1945
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 1: and a publication, I'd say Scott Calvin wishes he had

1946
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 1: never become Santa at all. I wish I had never

1947
02:08:54,320 --> 02:09:05,200
Speaker 1: seen Santa Claus three at all. I I think that

1948
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 1: what we've done here tonight is better than the Santa

1949
02:09:08,720 --> 02:09:11,960
Speaker 1: Claus three, and it did not cost twelve million dollars

1950
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:14,840
Speaker 1: and it was twice as long, and it was twice

1951
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 1: as long. I just would like to say just one

1952
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 1: more thing, Please, please, please, Grace, you get one more thing.

1953
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 1: The easter. Boddy openly ships some before workshop he's helping

1954
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:41,320
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve. Yeah, he's like, sorry, sorry about the pillets,

1955
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm leaving beyond I blocked that out. You're totally right,

1956
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,280
Speaker 1: so we do. We see him both shipped on the

1957
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:53,080
Speaker 1: floor and hit on and Margaret in the bloopers in

1958
02:09:53,120 --> 02:09:56,520
Speaker 1: front of children, so we don't have time to really

1959
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:00,000
Speaker 1: unpack the bloopers, but I highly recommend you watch them.

1960
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:02,680
Speaker 1: Does this do we know? Does this movie pass the

1961
02:10:02,720 --> 02:10:06,080
Speaker 1: back I think there might be like a few like

1962
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 1: stripping away all the context lines that pass, but a

1963
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:14,520
Speaker 1: lot of the context of conversations that do happen between

1964
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:19,200
Speaker 1: women or like between Lucy and her mom or Lucy

1965
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,000
Speaker 1: and another character, I feel like they're almost always about

1966
02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:25,880
Speaker 1: either Santa Claus or maybe Jack Frost. Like there's a

1967
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:30,960
Speaker 1: lot I think men. I honestly, I also forgot to

1968
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 1: pay attention at all, so I do not know. But

1969
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 1: if I'm kind of just like going back through the

1970
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,040
Speaker 1: scenes in my memory, it feels to me like a

1971
02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:44,160
Speaker 1: lot at least like the subtext is about a man,

1972
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:48,400
Speaker 1: if if not explicitly about a man, I completely believe that.

1973
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, even if this movie does technically pass the

1974
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 1: backtel test, I don't deserve to. Okay, Okay, it doesn't.

1975
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 1: I've agreed with you. Even if it does, it's just

1976
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 1: like spiritually it definitely doesn't. Even if it does, it

1977
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:11,240
Speaker 1: somehow doesn't. Final ruling, I'm judge Reinhold. Wow, yeah, incredible.

1978
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:14,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's say a no for this one and

1979
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:18,480
Speaker 1: don't fact check us, please and thank you um. As

1980
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:21,280
Speaker 1: far as the nipple scale zero to five nipples based

1981
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 1: on an examination of intersectional feminism, I'll give this a

1982
02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:30,160
Speaker 1: half nipple for the few characters who do pose the question,

1983
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:34,920
Speaker 1: including Abigail Breslin and Jack Frost, who are like, Hey,

1984
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:38,680
Speaker 1: isn't it pretty fucked up that you gave up everything

1985
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:42,240
Speaker 1: in your life? And don't you wish you hadn't done

1986
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:45,000
Speaker 1: that maybe? Or don't don't you feel kind of cheated?

1987
02:11:45,160 --> 02:11:48,680
Speaker 1: Or you know, something like that. So I appreciate that

1988
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:52,160
Speaker 1: the question gets asked, but it seems like it's mostly

1989
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 1: asked to bully her. So I I it's there's so

1990
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:59,400
Speaker 1: many asked with every almost good thing that happens. There's

1991
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:02,080
Speaker 1: five an asterisks of like, but it was actually made too.

1992
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 1: It was said to make her feel horrible about her

1993
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:10,480
Speaker 1: life the start, like the first like ninety seconds of

1994
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:14,840
Speaker 1: this film we're written by someone entirely different than the

1995
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:19,560
Speaker 1: person who wrote the rest of it. Yes, I believe,

1996
02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:23,480
Speaker 1: I believe it. Like it's this is like even though

1997
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:26,960
Speaker 1: there's only two credited writers, there were there were Make

1998
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:30,600
Speaker 1: Make Yourself Seen other writers on the Santa Claus three.

1999
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like the It's consistently bad in three

2000
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:37,760
Speaker 1: different ways. It's like there had to have been other

2001
02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:40,640
Speaker 1: people involved that were like, they wrote one bad movie

2002
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:43,120
Speaker 1: about Jack Frost, and then the other people wrote a

2003
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:45,560
Speaker 1: different bad movie about Mrs Claus, and then they wrote

2004
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:49,440
Speaker 1: a different bad movie about maybe like Laura and Neil,

2005
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:51,720
Speaker 1: and then they just missed it, mashed it all together.

2006
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 1: And it's something we haven't talked about, and I really

2007
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:55,840
Speaker 1: think we would be a mess if we didn't talk

2008
02:12:55,880 --> 02:12:59,560
Speaker 1: about it. Is. Of course, of course, there's maybe the

2009
02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:03,200
Speaker 1: worst musical number in all of film in this movie,

2010
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:09,839
Speaker 1: Oh my God, when Martin Short Yes and Jack Frost

2011
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:15,520
Speaker 1: Santa north Pole. There's this Santa Claus show. It's just horrible.

2012
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:25,240
Speaker 1: He does this riff on I'm leaving New York, New York,

2013
02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:29,000
Speaker 1: but it's like north Pole, North Pole instead of New York,

2014
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:32,880
Speaker 1: New York. They don't even have a full fucking orchestra.

2015
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:36,800
Speaker 1: I fast forwarded through it. I couldn't watch it. I

2016
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:41,680
Speaker 1: truly blocked that out. But you're totally right that happens.

2017
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 1: I think it could have been so good. It could

2018
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:48,320
Speaker 1: have been a moment that almost saved the movie. You know,

2019
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:50,920
Speaker 1: it really could have been beautiful. I don't like I

2020
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 1: watched this movie six hours ago. How am I like

2021
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:57,480
Speaker 1: here not knowing that? This movie really does a number

2022
02:13:57,720 --> 02:14:00,840
Speaker 1: on your neurons? It really scrambles months. Are they bleed?

2023
02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:04,280
Speaker 1: Are your neurons bleeding? Jamie in my norouble? Did you

2024
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:08,040
Speaker 1: see there? My ears are bleeding? I just have this

2025
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:13,560
Speaker 1: thing wrong about me. Where whatever Christmas movie I watch,

2026
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:18,080
Speaker 1: I keep all of those memories forever, And even if

2027
02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:21,360
Speaker 1: I imagine them as pieces of paper that I throw

2028
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:26,480
Speaker 1: into the fireplace, the ashes that come out, I see

2029
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:33,040
Speaker 1: the memories play out in them, you know, forever. Please

2030
02:14:33,080 --> 02:14:38,520
Speaker 1: say that motif is in Santa Claus for that dark

2031
02:14:40,240 --> 02:14:44,960
Speaker 1: in the Sta clause for and that the fireplace that

2032
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:48,080
Speaker 1: you throw your memories into is the same fireplace in

2033
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:53,800
Speaker 1: Santa Claus's bedroom, tim Allen's Mouth, tim Allen's Mouth fireplace

2034
02:14:54,440 --> 02:14:57,560
Speaker 1: and Judge Reinhold Frozen are two of the most cursed

2035
02:14:57,800 --> 02:15:01,200
Speaker 1: Christmas images of our John a ration right up there

2036
02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:06,720
Speaker 1: with the baby Grinch, and it's just and do we

2037
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:08,600
Speaker 1: have what else? Is there anything else we need to

2038
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:11,120
Speaker 1: touch on? Oh? I was in the middle of my

2039
02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 1: nipple rating, so yes, sorry, go ahead. I'm gonna give

2040
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:16,880
Speaker 1: this a half nipple, even though it's more than it deserves.

2041
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:22,240
Speaker 1: But I will give it to Ayisha Tyler and that, Yeah,

2042
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 1: that's the end. I'm gonna I can't give this any nipples.

2043
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 1: I want better for Ayisha Tyler. I want better for Laura.

2044
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember where the actress's name is. I want

2045
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:39,000
Speaker 1: better for Mrs Claws. I don't Unfortunately, I don't really

2046
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:42,240
Speaker 1: care about Lucy. I want better writing for Lucy so

2047
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:46,520
Speaker 1: that I do care about her. I want David Krumholtz back.

2048
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,480
Speaker 1: Is the most important thing is what How could you

2049
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:54,080
Speaker 1: possibly think that this movie was going to succeed narratively

2050
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:57,720
Speaker 1: without Bernard the Elf? It just would it would never happen.

2051
02:15:58,160 --> 02:16:02,600
Speaker 1: Zero nipples, um sexist, It's weird, and it's just a

2052
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,400
Speaker 1: it's just a god awful movie. I hope I usuedd

2053
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:08,480
Speaker 1: Tyler made a whole bunch of money because otherwise not

2054
02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:12,920
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah, it's zero nips, what about you, Grace?

2055
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:17,320
Speaker 1: How many nips am I able to give it? Uh?

2056
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Five is technically the maximum, but you know, get you know,

2057
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:24,880
Speaker 1: speak your truth. I am going to give it four

2058
02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:30,520
Speaker 1: and half nips. And the reason and the reason is

2059
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:37,520
Speaker 1: because Mrs Claus basically has a home birth and we

2060
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:41,640
Speaker 1: we we don't really see that on film. You know,

2061
02:16:41,879 --> 02:16:45,400
Speaker 1: we don't really see that on film. And that's empowering,

2062
02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:49,440
Speaker 1: I think, and I think it shows women that that

2063
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:52,920
Speaker 1: can be done. So yeah, I'm going to give Mrs

2064
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:57,760
Speaker 1: Clause two nipples and then I'll give the other nipples

2065
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:02,480
Speaker 1: to the elves that made the home bird happen. And um,

2066
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:06,560
Speaker 1: I just think that that's really inspiring. And I agree,

2067
02:17:06,680 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 1: and I have elucidated why I think this movie is

2068
02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:16,359
Speaker 1: misogynistic and horrible. Definitely what we need more home birth representation,

2069
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:19,680
Speaker 1: and so for that, I think it does deserve four

2070
02:17:19,720 --> 02:17:22,800
Speaker 1: and a half nipples. I see what you're saying. I'm

2071
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:26,680
Speaker 1: going to change my nipple raining to negative four to

2072
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:30,600
Speaker 1: to balance out the average. I'm so sorry to do

2073
02:17:30,640 --> 02:17:34,360
Speaker 1: that to you, Grace, but I need the average to

2074
02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:37,720
Speaker 1: be kept low. So what you have just ensured is

2075
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:39,720
Speaker 1: going to happen is that Grace is going to take

2076
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:44,240
Speaker 1: us to court again and and then we're going to

2077
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:48,440
Speaker 1: be back here doing Santa Claus June next year. Darning,

2078
02:17:48,640 --> 02:17:51,240
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen. I've got my lawyer on the

2079
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:55,240
Speaker 1: line right now. He's actually been my lawyer. I'm sorry,

2080
02:17:55,480 --> 02:18:03,560
Speaker 1: my lawyer. She she it's been listening to this entire podcast. Wow,

2081
02:18:03,800 --> 02:18:07,360
Speaker 1: well tell her we don't have a lawyer. We can't

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Speaker 1: afford one, so you will be back. This sounds good, great,

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Speaker 1: Thank you someone for being here. This is my favorite

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Speaker 1: tradition and now it's officially a tradition now it is.

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Speaker 1: And we were maintaining the tradition of doing a Christmas

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Speaker 1: movie trilogy with doing the first movie first, the third

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Speaker 1: movie second, and the second movie third, because we are

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing with a Christmas prince. So this

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Speaker 1: is a time honored tradition. Um. Yes, Grace, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being here. You're a delight. Where can

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Speaker 1: people check out your stuff? Follow you online, et cetera. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean my big thing is at Grace G. Thomas

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um and uh, and Grace's podcast is going

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Speaker 1: to be so fucking good. Jamie is the first guest

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Speaker 1: on the first episode and will be a guest very soon.

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Speaker 1: Uh and we um. It's called compete. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: I'll pitch this. Okay, everybody, it's called competitive literature. It's

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Speaker 1: me and my co host Julie Greener or Julie g

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Speaker 1: It's me and my co co it's competitive. It's called

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Speaker 1: competitive literature. Myself, Grace Thomas, and my co host Julie Greener.

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Speaker 1: Each week have a guest who picks one of their

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Speaker 1: favorite books that we have a week before the podcast

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Speaker 1: to read it, and then on the cast, the guest

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Speaker 1: judges who has the best opinions on the book UM

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Speaker 1: and picks a winner. So the first episode that we're

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Speaker 1: doing is on a series of Unfortunate Events. It was

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Speaker 1: with Jamie. It's gonna be killer. It's coming out in January.

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Speaker 1: I'm super super excited for it. Um. We talked about

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Speaker 1: if the authors are fucked up, we have the guests

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Speaker 1: give a a little bit of a pop quiz. We

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Speaker 1: uh go through the whole book. I'm super psyched. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have my fiancee's dad on it. Um, who's a

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Speaker 1: cool weirdo talk about his favorite book, the favorite book

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Speaker 1: of all dads nowadays, Sapiens by You've all Noah Harari. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys check that out. Um and just

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Speaker 1: follow me at Grace ge Thomas for more updates on that. Um.

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Speaker 1: In addition to that, my KOFE is like kofi dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Grace Thomas and I am launching a new

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Speaker 1: monthly thing on there soon where I'll do one monthly

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Speaker 1: video exclusive to people who are subscribing to that. So

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna switch from Patreon a kofy soon

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Speaker 1: and do that. Um. And yeah, I just check out

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Speaker 1: my videos and whatnot, uh and subscribe to Competitive Literature

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Speaker 1: soon when we release our trailer. And yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: keep talking and talking and talking. I have some books

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Speaker 1: coming out next year, but none of them are announced,

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Speaker 1: so you gotta follow me on Twitter com back all

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Speaker 1: the foks. Yeah, it's pretty messed up. Talk to email

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Speaker 1: my editor. Well, you got a lawyer and an editor.

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Speaker 1: He's a really good guy. Actually, my editor is a

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Speaker 1: very nice man. I have no problems with him. It's

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Speaker 1: just how the production schedule works. He's not doing anything wrong. Amazing. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: check out all of Grace's stuff. You can follow us

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Speaker 1: on on Twitter and Instagram at Babolcast. You can subscribe

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Speaker 1: to our Patreon aka Matreon. It's five dollars a month

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Speaker 1: that gets you access to two bonus episodes every month.

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Speaker 1: And because it's December, we are doing as our bonus

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Speaker 1: episodes this month. Christmas Prince too, Yeah, and Princess switched

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Speaker 1: to Switched again. K three Princesses a K three three many.

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Hudgens is three events, yes, and this is her.

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Speaker 1: This is I believe her first movie post cancelation. So

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot to talk about. When do

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Speaker 1: you remember when Vanessa Hudgings went live and said she

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Speaker 1: had no regard for human life? That was this year

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Speaker 1: and now we get to talk about it on the

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Speaker 1: Matrion and that's where and that's where that will be.

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Speaker 1: I think that was a pretty fun way for her

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Speaker 1: to get canceled all around. I was just like, I

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Speaker 1: guess that was just a blanket, like I don't care

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Speaker 1: about anybody, goodbye, whoever lives and dives. I don't care

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Speaker 1: as long as my carnal need for pleasures. Where's the

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Speaker 1: merch where's the merch that Well, speaking of merch, you

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Speaker 1: can buy ours at the public dot com. Slash the

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Speaker 1: Pectel cast and that's I mean happy Santa Claus with

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Speaker 1: Grace Thomas episode Everybody You Earned It. Also hashtag Santa

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Speaker 1: Grace and tell Disney yes what you feel. And the

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Speaker 1: last thing I'll say is I wish I'd never become

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus at all. Bye bye bye m hm.