WEBVTT - Mod That Bod 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.200 Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:13.920 stuff dot com. Hey there everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.960 Hey who am I? I believe you're Johnathan Strickland. Who 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.119 are you? I believe I'm Lauren vocal Bomb. So it 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.760 turns out the recorded an intro to this and forgot 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.279 to name myself. So now I'm chagrined. But hey, we're 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.280 here to talk about body modification. So we did an 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.200 episode about body modification. It turned out to be a 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.800 little longer than we had anticipated, a lot longer. Yeah, 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.320 like an hour and a half. That's too long really 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.199 for any episode of tech Stuff. So we wanted to 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.760 break it up into two parts. And the second part 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.120 is really going to be more about implants and some 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.720 cyboard type stuff and some artistic expression kind of stuff 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.560 that really goes more along the fringe of body modification. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.160 It's not the stuff that that you know, you typically 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.240 see when on an average day out in In this episode, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.920 we do the weird stuff. Yeah, we do the weird stuff. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.639 Let's get back to talking about modifying bodies in weird ways, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.319 or what some people would call weird ways. I would 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.600 call them weird ways. But I'm such a normal kind 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.920 of boring guy decorative ways. I would say next next 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.280 on our list, while we were talking about piercing um 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.280 is subdermal implants. Yeah, yeah, we've we've talked about talked 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.040 about piercing. Let's talk about actually putting stuff under the skin. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.560 Other lots of different versions of this. Now subdermal. The 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.480 hint is in the name, right, subdermal, so it's beneath 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.240 the yes, so so so so Again, the epidermis is 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.080 the skin that you can poke. The dermis is the 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.960 more permanent layer below that. And then and then you've 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:53.240 got subdermal, fatty, muffily, some other layers, and we'll talk 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.640 about a couple of them. Uh so, Yeah, the sub 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.320 cutest is this layer below the dermists. Actually, subdermal plants 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.320 go between the cutest lick layer and the facia, which 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.240 is the fibrous tissue that serves as connective tissue. So 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.200 this is pretty deep stuff. And the reason for that 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:14.440 is these are shapes that people put under their skin, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.760 so they protrude outward. Normally it's in some places fairly visible, 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.679 like your forehead, not my forehead. I'm not going to 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:27.480 do this. A person's a hypothetical person's forehead, forearmed, sometimes 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.760 the collar bone area. Uh, really can be anywhere, but 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.360 these are the typical places it tends to be. And 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.320 so people who are into this kind of body modification 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.919 will usually pick a fairly simple shape because it needs 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.720 to stand out when you when you're looking at the 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.640 person's you know, wherever the implant is, that you can 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.639 recognize what the shape is. Otherwise it's just gonna look 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.080 like a lump, like a blob, and that's kind of yeah. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:53.160 So usually it's a fairly distinctive, simple shape that is 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.360 designed to create a visible bulge in wherever the person 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:01.560 has chosen to have the implant. So stars, hard beads, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.600 sometimes you just round beads are are common form that 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:09.560 I've seen. Yeah. Uh, And to do this again this now, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.320 when we're starting to get into these levels we're really 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.400 talking about, you need to do your research because now 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:20.280 we're getting into surgical procedures. Anytime they're making an actual cavity. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.920 In fact, pocketing kind of fits in this too. Anytime 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.080 they're making an actual cavity in your body, now you're 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.240 talking serious surgical procedure. You need to make sure that 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.240 the person who's going to be performing. It is not 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.480 only sterilizing all their equipment, but that they are experienced 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.120 in doing this. Preferably, you would like to find a 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.640 body modification specialist who has medical training. It is. I 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.520 believe it's technically illegal for people without medical depends on 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.440 where you are, Yeah, it's It varies by states and regionality, right, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.680 there's some states that are like, WHOA, We totally didn't 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.160 ever think anyone would do that, so we don't have 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.160 anything on the law. However, having pretzels with beer is 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.360 still terrible, right, We've led an actual low still on 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.600 the books in some places. So if you want to 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.200 talk about crazy laws. Where I grew up, it's illegal 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.280 to eat fried chicken with a fork and knife. You 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.240 have to eat it with your fingers. You are joking? 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.000 Are joking? I'd say horse walks into a bar and 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.200 bartender says, why the long face? I am being perfectly serious. However, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.400 I should add that this was a publicity stunt because 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.400 Kentucky Fried Chicken opened up a branch in Gainsville, Georgia, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.600 and Gainsville, George is the poultry capital of the world, 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.880 and so as a publicity stunt, they made it illegal 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.320 to eat fried chicken with a fork and knife. So 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.120 it was a joke law on the first place. I 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.279 am completely horrified by our legal system right now. I'm 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.039 a rural bumpkin. So anyway, um, yeah, so not a 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.599 lot of not every place has legislation on this because frankly, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.520 people didn't think I was gonna do it. But really, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.600 what's going on here? Here, here's the process. They make 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:58.200 a surgical incision. By the way, you might be lucky 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.600 and get some kind of ennis that for this, but 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.800 more likely than not, you're you're not going to get 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.599 it because an aesthetic that is perhaps a topical anesthetic 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.200 maybe maybe because I think you can get a hold 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.239 of those pretty easy. You might just get some ice 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.920 on the area before they get started to numb it. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:20.120 Because anesthetic that is legislated, that's heavily controlled in most places, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:25.440 so most places don't have any kind of authority, they 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.720 can't use it. So you have to be willing to 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:32.720 endure this without any like actual super anesthetic. So they 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.000 make a surgical incision and then they insert something called 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.599 a dermal elevator. Tell me, tell me what a dermal 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.080 elevator is, Jonathan, Well, it's not it's not gonna have 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.520 otis on it. So it's not mechanic. It's uh, well, 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.440 there's no moving parts. It is mechanic in the sense 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.160 that you have to put mechanical stress on the end 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.799 of it. Okay, So imagine a spatula or a butter 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.719 knife that's medical grade, so sterile eised all that you've 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.920 made an incision. The artist that inserts the dermal elevator 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.560 under the flap of skin between the subcutest and facial 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.520 layers and just just levers it, levers it up a 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.640 little bit, yeah, to slip whatever, separating the tissues so 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.320 that there can be something inside there and making essentially 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:26.880 an internal pocket inside that area. And then um gently 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:32.240 perhaps actually usually it's not so gentle. They there's a 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.640 pretty usually it's a pretty sharp whift push of the 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.080 you know, honestly, it's a band aid off kind of situation. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.280 I would rather, you know, if if I were going 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.719 to do that, I would rather happen quickly. They put 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.400 the implant underneath that layer and then they suiture it close. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.400 Now we're talking like again, Now you gotta worry also 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.039 that the implant itself has got to be absolutely very sterile, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:00.400 very sterile. Originally it was stainless steel, which could cause problems, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.239 so they did switch. Yeah, today it's a silicone or silicon. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:11.200 I'm sorry, right, and then correct myself. It's okay, it's okay. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.560 We'll get the silicon later because we're talking about Mr Warwick. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.680 But but he's at the end. Um. Yeah, so yeah, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.560 it's silicone. They also sometimes use implant grade teflon, but 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.320 that's more rare. Silicone is by far the most common 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.600 stuff they use to make these designs, right, and they 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.720 shove that in, suture it into place. Uh. There's there's 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.600 a high risk here of multiple things going wrong, and 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.000 healing from these things takes a long time, much longer 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.680 than a tattoo, much longer than a typical piercing. Um. 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.400 We're talking months and months and months of healing. So uh, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.680 there's obviously the danger of infection. That's a big one. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.840 There's also the danger that your body rejects the implant, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.680 that your body essentially identifies the implant as something that 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.239 is trend Yeah, something that's trying act, and in this case, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.360 you would then you know, suffer some pretty some pretty 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.000 irritating side effects until you either we're able to treat 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.760 those symptoms, or you would have the the implant removed. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.480 Not keep in mind this implants also going to possibly 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.040 shift things around a little bit, so you might not 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.680 look the way you did before the implant. Once you 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.640 have an implant taken out, um, you could have plastic 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:29.360 surgery to have that corrected. So plastic surgeons, it's perfectly reasonable. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.720 It's within societal norms. It's what they do. It's perfectly 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.440 reasonable for them to alter a person's experience appearance to 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.720 be closer to whatever the special ideal is, not whatever 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.440 they want, just the social ideal. If it's outside the 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.720 social ideal, like, if it's outside the social norm they 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.480 are not allowed to do it. Yes, plastic surgeons are 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.000 not allowed to do subdermal implants, transdermal implants, some of 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.480 these other things we're gonna be talking about. In general, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.480 it is against their oath to do that. They can 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.600 make someone look more like everybody else, but they can't 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:06.560 make someone look less like everybody else. Crazy, right, Yeah, Yeah, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.559 it's getting into weird. Like Ugly is Pretty Territory, which 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.400 is a young adult series that I don't know if 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.320 anyone listening to the show has has read they were 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.040 they were cute books. Um, but I take ute books 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.480 about a dystopian future wherein everyone gets a lot of 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.880 plastic surgery. Yeah, I definitely take issue too with it, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:25.240 just from the idea of it's okay for for for 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.280 you to alter a person's appearance in one sas circumstances, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.600 but not in the other and not hurting anyone, right, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.640 and the obviously it's like it's like, well, what's normal 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.160 do you write? And for body modification, I would prefer 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.360 it if there were plastic surgeons who could do this, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.320 because they're the ones who are going to do it 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:45.720 in the most safe way, hypothetically. Hypothetically, Yeah, we have 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.040 a story about that too, because I've got a there's 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.520 a guy, boys, there a guy so subdomal, we've got this, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.120 You've got the whole healing, the healing process is slow. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.680 You've got the danger of rejection, danger of infection, um, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.840 and then the risk of damage to any other tissue 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.559 that's surrounding. I mean, for for example, nerves running through 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.240 your skin. If you if you mess with one, bad 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.680 stuff can happen. That can technically happen in any piercing, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.480 you know, But but but you know, the larger the 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.160 the operation, the greater the risks, right, I mean, just 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.720 that makes sense. Uh, and uh you know that. So yeah, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.640 dangerous stuff, and I would prefer it if it could 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.960 be done by medical professionals. But that's a that's an issue. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:36.720 Another interesting one is um dermal anchors or transdermal implants. Oh, this, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.400 this is one. This is one that you just like. Okay, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.800 so I don't dislike it, but I don't know. I 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:45.640 can't decide whether the subdermal ones or the transdermal ones 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.840 are the ones that make me feel the most uncomfortable. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.080 I I really enjoyed reading about the transdermal ones they're 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.240 at It's fascinating. Okay, So so what these do. They're 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.440 they're like a subdermal implant, and that you are you 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:05.040 are implanting or a trained professional with sterile materials is 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.959 implanting a little bit of something into your skin, but 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.280 a little bit of that little bit sticks out and 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.040 the skin heels around it. And therefore and you have 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:19.000 something that's visible that frequently will allow you to um 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.640 to screw different studs in and out to change the 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:28.640 appearance of your implant. Yeah, so for subdermal obviously subdermal, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.959 meaning that's completely under the skin, So you're just looking 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.679 at a design that that is in your flesh. In 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.320 your flesh transdermal trans gives you that there's the hint 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.760 there it goes branches. So you could have it designed 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.640 so it looks like you've been uh impaled by something theoretically, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.640 or you could have spikes along your head, which, by 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.160 the way, seems to be the most popular implementation of 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.319 this particular kind of implant that I have seen in 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.839 all the body modification research I did. I've seen a 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.280 lot of a lot of little flat metal pieces that 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.000 look like they're just inlaid directly into your skin, or 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.880 gemstones for fancy occations. If you're attending the Academy Awards 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.840 and you don't want your your spikes to impale someone 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.400 when you give them a hug on the red carpet, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.240 you switched to the gym stones. I would I would 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.400 keep the spikes, um, but you would, you know, And 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:15.959 it looks a little bit like a like a very 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.680 fancy mole. Yeah, a lot of the time. So interesting. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.920 Another interesting bit here is ah there. I remember seeing 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.120 a video of this years ago, and the story actually 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.679 turns out to be pretty awful as it goes on. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.280 But I remember a story about a guy who invented 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.640 an approach to two pays that was a little extreme. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.720 I thought, I thought, wow, this is preferable to hair loss. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.280 But his approach to two payes was to do a 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:49.480 transdermal implant that was snaps, So you would have four snaps. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.520 I think it was four, might have been more than that, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.760 but four snaps on implanted underneath the skin of a 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.880 subdermal plugs and then and then you would be had 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:02.000 the other snaps on the other side, on the underside, right, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.880 and he would knock it in and it had this 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.560 great sound when he was putting it into place, like 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.319 it sounded like, you know, like like like that. That's 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.640 what it sounded like each time. And so I remember 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.120 seeing this and thinking like, this is extreme. Who the heck? 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.559 I mean as a bald man, and I'm not I'm 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.679 not bald by choice. Yeah, this was this choice was 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.000 forced upon me. Uh. I was like, yeah, I think 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:31.679 I choose bald that But anyway, the story actually has 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.319 a pretty horrifying turn. So Anthony pig Nataro as the 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.400 name of the plastic surgeon who came up with us. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.440 First of all, Um, one of his patients that he 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.960 was operating on died. Uh it was I think it 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:49.640 was breast augmentation surgery. And she she died during the process, 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:54.920 and and and he had a whole uh legal problem 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.760 with that, and you know, I had to deal with 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:02.920 that then. To make things even more tragic and and horrifying, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.880 he gets out of prison and his wife starts to 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.760 get sick, and it looks like she has pancreatitis, and 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.959 in fact there's the possibility that they might need to 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.120 have a surgery, and he really advocates for the surgery, 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.640 and she gets a little suspicious about what's going on. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.880 And it turns out she finds out he's been poisoning 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:25.840 her with arsenic. So he goes like an upstanding citizen. Yeah, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.680 nice dude. Um. So yeah, he gets he gets charged 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:34.760 with a various various poisoning related charges. Um. I think 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.000 I think he might be able to get out of 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.119 jail this year. Actually, uh, and was he was contesting 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.000 last I saw he was contesting a a decision from 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.000 the judge that upon his release, he would be required 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.280 to be under some form of supervision for another five years. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.560 And apparently he stated that because that was not told 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.080 to him at his previous trial, it cannot hold up 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.080 because he was informed of that at the time when 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.200 he should have been. So he's saying that it's a 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.680 legal uh mistake that was made and so therefore he 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.440 should not be under supervision. The d A in this 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.080 case has essentially called him a sociopath. So not a 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.680 happy story. But that was the very first time I 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.960 had ever seen anything about transdermal implants. It was this thing, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.000 this tupe a thing. I had never seen it before. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.920 I was a kid at the time, or at least 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.600 a teenager when I saw this, this video. And uh, now, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.200 I mean it's not like I know a lot of 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.000 people who have transdermal implants, but I have seen them, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.200 especially if you go to places like Dragon Con. You 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.400 see all sorts of folks in various subcultures there. Yeah. Um, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.360 and now I think I think that I've actually muddied 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.440 our waters here and confused transdermal and microdermal, And well 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.800 they're very similar. Microdermal is really just a subset of transdermal, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.680 So microdermal really the big difference there is that they 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:57.120 try to use smaller surface anchors, which are the little 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.280 flat parts that that go underneath the skin. So those 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.520 are the parts that are uh, that are are under 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.000 your skin so that it holds the jewelry in place, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.920 but there. And they tend to be the smaller things 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.760 like the little gemstones or whatever. But you could just 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.640 as well do that with transdermal if you wanted to. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.480 Transdermal does tend to look like it tends to be 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.200 applied to stuff that's bigger. Microdermal same sort of approach. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.120 If you've ever seen anyone who has like this little 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.640 jewel stone just sticking out someplace from their body, and 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.560 that doesn't seem like you could normally it's not like 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.400 a like a labre piercing or something. You know, it's 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.560 next to their eyeball right, So it's a possibility that 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.960 it's a microdermal implant. Uh. These implants tend to have 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.360 a lower rejection rate than transdermal and subdermal do doesn't 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.680 mean that you're going to get away without any problems, 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.160 but it does mean that the odds are better. Um, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.360 they tend to have holes in the base, the flat 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.720 part that goes under the skin, and those holes are 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.520 meant for tissue to grow through them to help. Yeah, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.080 so it's supposed to provide stability. Now, of course that 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.720 means that you have to wait through the healing process. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.600 And again, you don't want to get one of these 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.439 somewhere where you're gonna brush it against stuff all the time, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.640 because that's just gonna make the healing process take even longer. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.720 It also increases the chance of rejection. There's also something 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.800 called migration, which is pretty much what it sounds like. Uh, 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.400 stuff can move around a bit, and you don't want 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:23.919 that because then you're going to get an effect that 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.760 was not what you wanted. Um. And there's also the 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.880 idea of uh, you know, like surface piercings, which are 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.679 kind of similar like service piercings are. Um. These are 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.240 the piercings that involve longer pieces of jewelry that go 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.280 through the whole. So we're talking like service piercings. Might 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.600 be above your hip bone you might have seen some 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.679 people who have those, or it can be uh, you know, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.320 along an arm or whatever. These are longer pieces of jewelry, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.440 sometimes several inches long or more like two inches long. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.560 They go underneath the skin. You see the ends of it. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.880 From what I understand from the sources i've read, surface 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.240 piercing is one of those things that's best left as 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.560 a temporary jewelry. So in other words, you use it 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.720 for whatever you're going to do, Like maybe you're part 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.960 of a performance art and you want to have the 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.080 corset look along your back. I've seen that where people 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.040 have had surface piercings that are hoops all down their 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.959 backs and then they lace together like it's a corset, uh, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:23.920 and not pulling the way that of course it would, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.520 but the design is created in a way that would 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.119 look like there might be there might be a little 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.520 tension just to give the full effect, but not like 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.040 tied tight. You would not want to do that. Um. 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.000 It's by the way I have seen that it is 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.359 a dramatic effects, pretty gorgeous. It's yeah. Even even someone 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:46.760 who's yeah I see, I'm like, wow, that's pretty incredible. Yeah, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.560 it definitely it makes you look twice well. Again, better 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.800 left as more of a temporary thing, because there are 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:58.320 issues with migration with those two where your your skin 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.159 is a living thing. It's it's the large store get 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.520 on your body, as everyone knows, and it does stuff. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.760 It doesn't just stay put. Yeah. So um, that's that's 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.880 something else to keep your wind like stuff don't stay 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.480 where you thought it would. Now we get to uh, 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.760 super fun times, right, this is this next one is 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.719 one day. I'm just gonna cry for the rest of 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.520 this podcast. Jonathan came to my desk earlier and was 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.439 just like, why did I watch the video? Why do 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.760 people in the Netherlands do this to their eyes? We 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.920 are about to talk about eyeball implants, yeah, also called 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:37.520 eye piercing. Yeah. Why So In two thousand two, the 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:42.760 Netherlands Institute for Innovative Ocular Surgery developed an implant. It 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:48.680 goes into the superficial interpalperable conjunctiva in the eye, which 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.680 is essentially the white of your eyes. It's it's this clera. Yeah, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.359 it's it's a which is a protective layer that that 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.400 wraps around the eye from the cornea in the front 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:00.960 all the way to the pcular nerve in the back. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.360 It's a it's horrifying people. I mean, okay, I don't 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.639 I don't judge. I don't judge. If you're from the 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.240 Netherlands and you've had this process, you are insane. But 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.320 I'm not judging. I'm just making an observation. No, okay, okay, 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.320 all joking aside. Yeah, this is an implant. They take 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.440 a platinum alloy, which is the jewelry itself, and the 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.000 jewelry tends to be a very tiny and very simple shape. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.160 In fact, there's only a few shapes that are even available, 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.800 things like the one I kept saying was hearts. So 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.960 the procedure involves immobilizing both eyes. They use an esthetic drops. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:35.440 This is very similar to the kind of stuff you 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.320 might get if you were to go get laser eye surgery. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.600 It's a good thing Chris isn't here because he would 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.480 totally flip our laser ice surgery. He turned a shade 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.000 of green I have never seen before. Yeah. So anyway, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:52.120 they then they then cut a little pocket into your 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.000 eye just this is essentially the same thing as the 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.880 surface anchors that you see, uh for the other kind 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.600 of implants we've talked about, but in this case, it's 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.200 small or it's in your eyes and you're and they 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.439 put this little implant so that the the design of 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.960 whatever it is is laying flat against your eyeball, so 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.800 you you if you were looking at someone who had 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.560 one of these, you'd see their pupil, which would be 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.760 unaffected because obviously you don't want to do anything that's 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.800 going to affect the person's vision. And then next to it, 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:21.719 if they were looking off to either the left or right, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.760 depending on what side they got it on, um, you 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.600 would then see the little piece of jewelry. Uh. This 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.280 is not legal anywhere outside of the Netherlands, and in fact, 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.919 I think there are places in the United States that 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.520 are actively uh making it illegal because before it ends 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.320 up taking off somewhere else because I guess they saw 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.880 pictures of it, went why you no way? Yeah, that's 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.040 essentially the response. Yeah, and then uh oh. In order 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.480 to do this, by the way, they would that that incision, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.200 there's more than just the incision. Then they inject liquid 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.040 between the layers of the eyeball where the implant space 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.719 will go. So I actually did what a video of 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.760 this procedure, and then I needed to go to my 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.439 happy place for a while, which by the way, was 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.240 farm Burgger. I was actually able to eat. I wasn't 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:09.840 so upset that I couldn't heat. You have to make 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.840 me really upset before I can't eat. Another fun thing 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.199 that you can do to uh to the white of 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:20.280