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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff dot com. Hey there everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hey who am I? I believe you're Johnathan Strickland. Who

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Speaker 1: are you? I believe I'm Lauren vocal Bomb. So it

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Speaker 1: turns out the recorded an intro to this and forgot

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Speaker 1: to name myself. So now I'm chagrined. But hey, we're

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Speaker 1: here to talk about body modification. So we did an

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Speaker 1: episode about body modification. It turned out to be a

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Speaker 1: little longer than we had anticipated, a lot longer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like an hour and a half. That's too long really

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Speaker 1: for any episode of tech Stuff. So we wanted to

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Speaker 1: break it up into two parts. And the second part

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Speaker 1: is really going to be more about implants and some

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Speaker 1: cyboard type stuff and some artistic expression kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: that really goes more along the fringe of body modification.

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Speaker 1: It's not the stuff that that you know, you typically

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Speaker 1: see when on an average day out in In this episode,

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Speaker 1: we do the weird stuff. Yeah, we do the weird stuff.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to talking about modifying bodies in weird ways,

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Speaker 1: or what some people would call weird ways. I would

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Speaker 1: call them weird ways. But I'm such a normal kind

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Speaker 1: of boring guy decorative ways. I would say next next

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Speaker 1: on our list, while we were talking about piercing um

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Speaker 1: is subdermal implants. Yeah, yeah, we've we've talked about talked

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Speaker 1: about piercing. Let's talk about actually putting stuff under the skin.

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Speaker 1: Other lots of different versions of this. Now subdermal. The

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Speaker 1: hint is in the name, right, subdermal, so it's beneath

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Speaker 1: the yes, so so so so Again, the epidermis is

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Speaker 1: the skin that you can poke. The dermis is the

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Speaker 1: more permanent layer below that. And then and then you've

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Speaker 1: got subdermal, fatty, muffily, some other layers, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about a couple of them. Uh so, Yeah, the sub

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Speaker 1: cutest is this layer below the dermists. Actually, subdermal plants

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Speaker 1: go between the cutest lick layer and the facia, which

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Speaker 1: is the fibrous tissue that serves as connective tissue. So

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Speaker 1: this is pretty deep stuff. And the reason for that

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Speaker 1: is these are shapes that people put under their skin,

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Speaker 1: so they protrude outward. Normally it's in some places fairly visible,

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Speaker 1: like your forehead, not my forehead. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: do this. A person's a hypothetical person's forehead, forearmed, sometimes

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Speaker 1: the collar bone area. Uh, really can be anywhere, but

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Speaker 1: these are the typical places it tends to be. And

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Speaker 1: so people who are into this kind of body modification

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Speaker 1: will usually pick a fairly simple shape because it needs

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Speaker 1: to stand out when you when you're looking at the

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Speaker 1: person's you know, wherever the implant is, that you can

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Speaker 1: recognize what the shape is. Otherwise it's just gonna look

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Speaker 1: like a lump, like a blob, and that's kind of yeah.

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Speaker 1: So usually it's a fairly distinctive, simple shape that is

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Speaker 1: designed to create a visible bulge in wherever the person

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Speaker 1: has chosen to have the implant. So stars, hard beads,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you just round beads are are common form that

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Speaker 1: I've seen. Yeah. Uh, And to do this again this now,

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Speaker 1: when we're starting to get into these levels we're really

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Speaker 1: talking about, you need to do your research because now

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Speaker 1: we're getting into surgical procedures. Anytime they're making an actual cavity.

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Speaker 1: In fact, pocketing kind of fits in this too. Anytime

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Speaker 1: they're making an actual cavity in your body, now you're

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Speaker 1: talking serious surgical procedure. You need to make sure that

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Speaker 1: the person who's going to be performing. It is not

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Speaker 1: only sterilizing all their equipment, but that they are experienced

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Speaker 1: in doing this. Preferably, you would like to find a

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Speaker 1: body modification specialist who has medical training. It is. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's technically illegal for people without medical depends on

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Speaker 1: where you are, Yeah, it's It varies by states and regionality, right,

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Speaker 1: there's some states that are like, WHOA, We totally didn't

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Speaker 1: ever think anyone would do that, so we don't have

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Speaker 1: anything on the law. However, having pretzels with beer is

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Speaker 1: still terrible, right, We've led an actual low still on

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Speaker 1: talk about crazy laws. Where I grew up, it's illegal

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Speaker 1: to eat fried chicken with a fork and knife. You

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Speaker 1: have to eat it with your fingers. You are joking?

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Speaker 1: Are joking? I'd say horse walks into a bar and

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Speaker 1: bartender says, why the long face? I am being perfectly serious. However,

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Speaker 1: people didn't think I was gonna do it. But really,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? Here, here's the process. They make

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Speaker 1: Because anesthetic that is legislated, that's heavily controlled in most places,

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Speaker 1: make a surgical incision and then they insert something called

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Speaker 1: a dermal elevator. Tell me, tell me what a dermal

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Speaker 1: elevator is, Jonathan, Well, it's not it's not gonna have

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Speaker 1: there's no moving parts. It is mechanic in the sense

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Speaker 1: that you have to put mechanical stress on the end

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Speaker 1: made an incision. The artist that inserts the dermal elevator

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Speaker 1: under the flap of skin between the subcutest and facial

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Speaker 1: perhaps actually usually it's not so gentle. They there's a

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Speaker 1: very sterile. Originally it was stainless steel, which could cause problems,

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Speaker 1: so they did switch. Yeah, today it's a silicone or silicon.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, right, and then correct myself. It's okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: We'll get the silicon later because we're talking about Mr Warwick.

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Speaker 1: it's silicone. They also sometimes use implant grade teflon, but

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Speaker 1: healing from these things takes a long time, much longer

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Speaker 1: We're talking months and months and months of healing. So uh,

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Speaker 1: there's obviously the danger of infection. That's a big one.

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Speaker 1: There's also the danger that your body rejects the implant,

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Speaker 1: Not keep in mind this implants also going to possibly

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Speaker 1: have an implant taken out, um, you could have plastic

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Speaker 1: surgery to have that corrected. So plastic surgeons, it's perfectly reasonable.

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Speaker 1: It's within societal norms. It's what they do. It's perfectly

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Speaker 1: be closer to whatever the special ideal is, not whatever

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Speaker 1: are not allowed to do it. Yes, plastic surgeons are

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Speaker 1: not allowed to do subdermal implants, transdermal implants, some of

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Speaker 1: these other things we're gonna be talking about. In general,

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Speaker 1: it is against their oath to do that. They can

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Speaker 1: make someone look more like everybody else, but they can't

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Speaker 1: make someone look less like everybody else. Crazy, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's getting into weird. Like Ugly is Pretty Territory, which

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Speaker 1: anyone listening to the show has has read they were

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Speaker 1: they were cute books. Um, but I take ute books

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Speaker 1: about a dystopian future wherein everyone gets a lot of

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Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Yeah, I definitely take issue too with it,

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Speaker 1: just from the idea of it's okay for for for

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Speaker 1: you to alter a person's appearance in one sas circumstances,

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Speaker 1: and the obviously it's like it's like, well, what's normal

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Speaker 1: You've got the whole healing, the healing process is slow.

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Speaker 1: You've got the danger of rejection, danger of infection, um,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. Uh, and uh you know that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Another interesting one is um dermal anchors or transdermal implants. Oh, this,

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Speaker 1: this is one. This is one that you just like. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I I really enjoyed reading about the transdermal ones they're

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Speaker 1: at It's fascinating. Okay, So so what these do. They're

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Speaker 1: they're like a subdermal implant, and that you are you

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Speaker 1: are implanting or a trained professional with sterile materials is

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Speaker 1: implanting a little bit of something into your skin, but

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Speaker 1: something that's visible that frequently will allow you to um

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Speaker 1: appearance of your implant. Yeah, so for subdermal obviously subdermal,

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Speaker 1: and you don't want your your spikes to impale someone

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Speaker 1: that had been tattooed, and um, blue eyes all over. Supposedly, yeah,

426
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: and uh and and this was inspired by Dunes Freeman,

427
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: who you know, all in taking the spice and have

428
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: the bright crazy blue eyes. Spice mus flow, spice must flow.

429
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not it's not really legal or recommended.

430
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Speaker 1: Even the people who have had it done said, you know,

431
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Speaker 1: have have gone on record about the number of terrible

432
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: things that can happen if you if you do this,

433
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Speaker 1: and so you know, another way you can get blue

434
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Speaker 1: eyes is through argeria, which is just the consumption of

435
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Speaker 1: lots of silver. I don't silver turns your skin blue

436
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: and your eyes blue as well. Uh, the whites of

437
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Speaker 1: your eyes blue. Do not do that. Colloidal silver has

438
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: been a kind of a folk cure for certain stuff

439
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: because silver does have antibacterial antimicrobial properties, but the ingestion

440
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: of it it tends to get deposited into your various

441
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Speaker 1: subcutaneous layers and then you I'll show you a picture

442
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Speaker 1: in a second. It looks like Papa Smurf. That's very exciting. Yeah. Anyway,

443
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: so before we get into the cyborg element of body

444
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Speaker 1: modific cation, let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.

445
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the high tech stuff.

446
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Now we've got all those out of the way. And

447
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: and by the way, if any of our listeners have

448
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: any of these body modifications, again, my hat's off to you.

449
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, whatever you do to identify who you are,

450
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: that's cool with me. Just blame it on me being

451
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: a total boring social norm kind of guy and squeamish

452
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: about little squeamish about eyeballs a R. It's a magnet

453
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: implants what people are getting magnets implanted in them, like Magneto. Yes,

454
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: well not like Magneto didn't have magnets implanted, probably not

455
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: on purpose anyway. Now, this this is people who want

456
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Speaker 1: to harness and extra sense. Oh I see, So this

457
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: goes beyond our our normal senses. So you know, a

458
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: whole touch and sight and smell and sound and taste

459
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: and uh and uh and and Sheldon Freud supposedly this

460
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: this gives them these are these are magnets that are

461
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Speaker 1: subterminally implanted, that that give people the ability to sense

462
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: electromagnetic fields. Yes, so the idea here is that they're

463
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: very small, and they generally tend to get implanted a

464
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: little bit off to the side of the path of

465
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Speaker 1: the finger on normally the ring finger on the non

466
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Speaker 1: dominant hand. And the thinking there goes that if something

467
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Speaker 1: goes wrong with the implant, that's the least useful finger. Yeah,

468
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: that that if you were to suffer any nerve damage

469
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: or just that you know, it wouldn't it wouldn't interfere

470
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Speaker 1: with your normal activities because that finger also has the

471
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Speaker 1: least amount of impact when it comes to gripping. So

472
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: and they wanted it to be off to the side obviously,

473
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Speaker 1: because if you had to do an emergency gripping situation

474
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Speaker 1: like let's say you're rock climbing and you suddenly lose

475
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Speaker 1: your grip and you need to hold onto something, Yeah,

476
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: it could tear out or you could crush it um.

477
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: Either way is bad. You know you don't want to

478
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Speaker 1: do that. Also, again, magnets, we're talking about surgery again,

479
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: it's a surgical procedure that's being done usually by people

480
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Speaker 1: who are not surgeons. By hackers tend to be kind

481
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: of they're on the forefront of this stuff. You know.

482
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Speaker 1: They're biohackers or grinders. As I found out, they're also

483
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: called um tend to uh to be pretty far ahead

484
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: of the curve on this so uh they Again, the

485
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: procedure tends to be done with either some topical local

486
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: and aesthetic or nothing at all. They will create an incision,

487
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: insert the magnet, suture it shut. The magnet is small

488
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: and tends to just vibrate when it comes into when

489
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Speaker 1: it comes near something like a magnetic field. So you

490
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: would be able to tell when electricity is flowing through

491
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Speaker 1: something because that creates a magnetic field. Right, So you

492
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: would move your hand near something that's that's running electricity

493
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: through it and you're like, oh, I s yeah. So

494
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: that's the idea, is that you have created a brand

495
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: new sense. Now, granted, this sense is still very much

496
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: aligned with touch, right, it's a it's an advanced form

497
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: of touch. It's extended our touch, and but it would

498
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Speaker 1: give you ability to touch stuff that normally you wouldn't

499
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Speaker 1: be able to like magnetic fields electric fields. You'd also

500
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: be able to do cool things like lift paper clips,

501
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, without having to pinch your fingers paper clips, right,

502
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: I know how much effort it is to pick up

503
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Speaker 1: a paper clip, So thank goodness we found a solution

504
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: to that problem. Yeah, any fairest material you could stick

505
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: to a little bit that. The magnets tend to be

506
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Speaker 1: pretty small and not very powerful, so it's not like

507
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Speaker 1: you would go to the refrigerator to get yourself a

508
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: cool drank only to be stuff. Yeah, which would be hilarious,

509
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: but not actually what would happen to you? However, that

510
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Speaker 1: being said, there is one situation I could think of

511
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Speaker 1: where you would need to be really careful, and that's

512
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Speaker 1: if you had to get an m R. I yes,

513
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Speaker 1: that that that would be something that you would want.

514
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Um perhaps you know, printed on a note in your

515
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: wallet or something super powerful magnets there, I mean that

516
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: could rip right through the flush of your finger. Yeah,

517
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: and you could end up with a hole where your

518
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: magnet used to be. Um yeah, dangerous stuff. So that's

519
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Speaker 1: one one case where I would think you would need

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00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: to be very careful. Uh. And you know, I read

521
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: an interesting article and wired. The guy who wrote it

522
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Speaker 1: actually had one of these put into his finger as

523
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: part of the story. I'm like, wow, that's dedicated journalism.

524
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Speaker 1: I do not think I would have done that. He

525
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: also had the problem of the magnet breaking at one point,

526
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Speaker 1: like breaking into pieces, and for a while it wasn't

527
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Speaker 1: working at all. In his finger turned black or part

528
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: of his finger turned black, which you would think would

529
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Speaker 1: be something of a warning sign, But eventually his finger

530
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: got better. He had a little bit of an infection

531
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Speaker 1: from it, but he fought it off and then because

532
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a magnet, and eventually reformed itself enough so that

533
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Speaker 1: it works again, although he says not quite at the

534
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Speaker 1: level at what it did when he first got it done.

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Speaker 1: Oh bio hackers. So there have also been a couple

536
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Speaker 1: of groups that have created some devices that actually extend

537
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: abilities beyond just detecting magnetic fields. So in this case,

538
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: they've created sensors that can that are tripped from various

539
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: things like it could be a temperature sensor, it could

540
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: be a distance sensor, and when it detects something, it

541
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Speaker 1: will then create a aknetic field which activates the magnet.

542
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Speaker 1: So in other words, you're giving yourself even more extra

543
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: sensory perception abilities. One of the demos I saw had

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Speaker 1: a guy with a blindfold on who would extend his

545
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Speaker 1: hand out holding one of these devices. Uh, and the

546
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: device would detect through I think radio waves kind of

547
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: like radar when it got close to something else, So

548
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: he could actually detect when something was in front of

549
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: him even if he couldn't see it. Cool. So so

550
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: for medical purposes, for example, um we we we could

551
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: give these to the blind and compared it could easily

552
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: be something like that. But at the time when I

553
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: was looking at the way he was just demonstrating it,

554
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: it was only when he was pretty close that he

555
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: was able and and it was kind of like like

556
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen someone using a metal detector. It

557
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: was kind of like sweeping across the area before figuring out, oh,

558
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: it's it's at this point in front of me. But

559
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: with improvements that that would be that's an interesting thing

560
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to watch. But the whole thing with the demo, I

561
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: just kept thinking, or you could just look because they

562
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Speaker 1: were they they weren't using a blind person as the exist,

563
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: so I was just like, wow, this this sure does

564
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: take away that whole tough thing of looking two feet

565
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: in front of you, but that was me being started

566
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: or at this point it sounds like where you know

567
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: it's it's you could just extend your hand the extra

568
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Speaker 1: two inches and some. To be fair, this is early

569
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Speaker 1: early days of bio hacking. It's obviously not something that's

570
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: meant to be rolled out to a wide audience, but

571
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: it's got interesting potential. Then we've got r F I

572
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Speaker 1: D implants. This is where we talk about Kevin Warwick,

573
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: whom we have spoken about In a previous episode of

574
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Speaker 1: tech Stuff. Chris and I did an episode I think

575
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: we talked about cyborgs and we brought up Kevin Warwick.

576
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: He's often referred to as one of the early cyborgs,

577
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: mostly because he's just done some kind of pioneering work

578
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: in implanting technology into himself. Uh not personally. He actually

579
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: had other people performed the procedure, but he developed what

580
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: it was that was going to happen. So he's a

581
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Speaker 1: British you know, mathematician and scientist who um he worked

582
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Speaker 1: with some people to have originally a microchip, a chip

583
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Speaker 1: transponder implanted in his forearm and they used local anesthetic.

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Speaker 1: They did the procedure and it allowed him to do

585
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Speaker 1: things like unlocked doors or turn on lights. Essentially, if

586
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: you've ever worked in a place where they have electronic

587
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: locks and you have a little key card that you

588
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: swipe in front of a detector we do here, um,

589
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: then that that's the same sort of thing, except that

590
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: instead of a card, he just had to wave his

591
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: arm in front of it. Which you know, again, it's

592
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: showing the potential for the technology. It wasn't meant to

593
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Speaker 1: be like this is going to be part of me

594
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Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever, right right, And it wasn't

595
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Speaker 1: being rolled out to everyone. Yeah, you know, it's not

596
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: like everyone who worked in that building had to go

597
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: and get surgery so that they could work. But it

598
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: did allow him also to be tracked by a computer

599
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Speaker 1: whenever he was moving through the Department of Cybernetics at

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Speaker 1: the University of Reading. And that implant it was not

601
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: meant to be permanent. It was removed after he had

602
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: done essentially I think a couple of weeks of this

603
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: and sort of showing the proof of concept. Now and

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Speaker 1: the Science Museum in London, isn't it sure is, or

605
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: at least last I heard it is. I mean, I

606
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Speaker 1: assume it's still there, they can track it if it's not.

607
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: But then since then a lot of people, not a lot,

608
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: but several other people have done r F I D.

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Speaker 1: Chip implants to kind of do everything from control basic

610
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Speaker 1: electronics to activate other things like doors and lights. UM.

611
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: And this is the same technology that that if you're

612
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Speaker 1: if your dog or cat or other pet, I suppose

613
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: you can put them in really whatever you wanted to

614
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: um has has a microchip, then that is that is

615
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: the same basic idea exactly the microchips are. They essentially

616
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: have a signal on them that when you have a

617
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: a device that can read the signal, can come up

618
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: with whatever the code is, and then you can type

619
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Speaker 1: it into a database and find out where that animal belongs. UM.

620
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you've ever microchip to pet, it's the

621
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: same basic concept, except it's being used on humans. Now, obviously,

622
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: this is already something that has also been legislated in

623
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Speaker 1: lots of places, and clean the United States, several states

624
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: have made it against the law to implant or in

625
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: some cases, like I think Georgia, force the implantation process

626
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Speaker 1: upon people. Right, some of the worries I think where

627
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: that UM that either people are going to microchip their

628
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Speaker 1: their children or convicts employees, which in some companies feels

629
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Speaker 1: like the same thing either as children or convicts or

630
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Speaker 1: children convicts. I got an idea for reality show. I

631
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: talked to you after the show. Anyway, Yeah, so two

632
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Speaker 1: thou Warrick also had another surgical procedure done where he

633
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Speaker 1: had about a hundred electrodes attached to one of his nerves,

634
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: which allowed him to have some mural control over devices

635
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: like a wheelchair or a little electronic hand. So that's

636
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: kind of cool. But anyway, that's that's kind of like

637
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: the that's the next step, right, These are the science

638
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: fictional kind of ways. And I think we can end

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Speaker 1: on the Mondo Bizarrow weirdo way, which was the Stelios

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Speaker 1: Arcadius also known as stell arc the performance artist who

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Speaker 1: had a human ear surgically attached to his forearm. It

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Speaker 1: was grown, It was not It was not a human.

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Speaker 1: It was a cultured ear. Yes, it wasn't wasn't harvested.

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Speaker 1: There's not a van go walking around saying I can't

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Speaker 1: hear anything but my ears. Art. This was actually grown

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Speaker 1: in the lab and then surgically attached to his arm.

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Speaker 1: He at least at some point had plans on also

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Speaker 1: getting a microphone and transmitter also part as as part

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Speaker 1: of this ear project, so that you could quote unquote

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Speaker 1: here what the ear was hearing, because it's not a

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Speaker 1: working organ, it's just cosmetic. It's a cosmetic ear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would have to be attached to and and I

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Speaker 1: mean they create a whole sense organ and then create

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Speaker 1: pathways to the brain for it to be something that's working. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we we are nowhere near that level of biotechnology. No, No,

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Speaker 1: the human ears is actually very complex. Yeah, now we

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Speaker 1: could possibly do the whole microphone transmitter thing. That's well

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Speaker 1: within the realm. By the way, the whole the whole

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Speaker 1: project received some criticism from people who require plastic surgery

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Speaker 1: to reconstruct ears, either because they've lost in and maxed

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Speaker 1: in or there's a broth to effect or whatever. They've

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Speaker 1: criticized it saying that you know, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who don't have the money to have this

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Speaker 1: procedure done, and this guy seems to just be wasting it. Um.

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Speaker 1: So there's been some criticism on that level. And then

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Speaker 1: there are other people who say, like, well, art is art,

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Speaker 1: and you know who is one person to judge what

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Speaker 1: another person's art is. That's an argument that's outside the

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Speaker 1: realm of tech stuff thankfully. Alright, So, um, Lauren, you're

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Speaker 1: ready to go and modify your body now that we've

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Speaker 1: had this discussion, not not. I think I'm gonna yeah good,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right right for this current moment. I

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Speaker 1: did check in tattoos, I want to guess, but okay, alright, well,

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Speaker 1: well I think I'm gonna pay my rent instead this

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Speaker 1: month that personally, you know, priorities good, yeah, place to

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Speaker 1: live first, food, then tattoos. Alright, So, guys, I hope

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