Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
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Speaker 1: Season four, Episode eight, Nothing left to say but goodbye.
Speaker 1: I really liked this episode, Okay, didn't never twenty second
Speaker 1: two thousand six, Derek, the real Derek convinces Peyton to
Speaker 1: take a chance with Lucas at the same time that
Speaker 1: Brook approaches him about getting back together. Bad timing. Dante's
Speaker 1: latest demand leads Nathan to seek help from an unlikely source.
Speaker 1: Isn't an unlikely source, It's he most likely and Dan.
Speaker 1: When Rachel learns of a failing grade, she turns to
Speaker 1: Haley for tutoring, and Nathan is named m v P
Speaker 1: m v P of the Ravens at the annual sports banquet,
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that he's been shaving points.
Speaker 1: Dunt Janice directed this one. I liked her a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I liked that this was like a Thanksgiving episode and
Speaker 1: it was the big banquet, you know, it was a
Speaker 1: way to November twenty two. It's like a way to
Speaker 1: do a holiday without doing a holiday. You know, we're
Speaker 1: all together at dinner and it's awkward, like everyone else's holiday.
Speaker 1: That's so Funday. Yeah, yeah, I dug it. I mean
Speaker 1: here's my question though. The episode starts off with Nathan
Speaker 1: at the river Court, and we didn't talk about this
Speaker 1: last time. Um, but like Nathan kind of taking over
Speaker 1: the river Court as opposed to just practicing in the
Speaker 1: gym or someplace that's like monitored by adults, seems dumb
Speaker 1: to me. Like if he just went through this experience
Speaker 1: for the two older men in the community cornered him,
Speaker 1: why is this child like hanging out all by himself
Speaker 1: in this public setting where bad things have already happened,
Speaker 1: Like I'd be hold up. I guess he thought it
Speaker 1: was over because he believed them. It's a little gullible. Well,
Speaker 1: and by the way, I feel like your question answered
Speaker 1: your question. You're like, why is this child doing this
Speaker 1: dumb thing? And it's like, well, because kids are dumb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a teenage boy. He's just like everything's done. I
Speaker 1: did it. It's over. And it's like, oh you you
Speaker 1: have never watched The Godfather, have you, young man? This
Speaker 1: kid needed to hide out lay low until like everything's over. Instead,
Speaker 1: he's just willy nilly all by himself down dribbling his
Speaker 1: wealthy white privilege around because his dad has always bailed
Speaker 1: him out of every situation, so of course he has
Speaker 1: the muscle memory of like, oh, okay, I got away
Speaker 1: with it. It's over. I'm done. Okay, fine, it's over.
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he has no concept. Although I do love
Speaker 1: that he went to Dan for help in this, I
Speaker 1: don't love the way Dan handled it. I feel like
Speaker 1: I was waiting for him to like muscle up and
Speaker 1: really do something destardly to the dastardly people. Yeah, one time.
Speaker 1: At that time, Dan's not corrupt. I'm like, listen, if
Speaker 1: we know anything about Dan Scott or like I don't know.
Speaker 1: We've read the news ever in the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: it's like small town mayor is not going to dispatch
Speaker 1: the like crooked cops on the p D for Mr
Speaker 1: put these guys in jail until after the game, Like hello, Wow,
Speaker 1: the one time Dan's not willing to be completely inappropriate
Speaker 1: is perhaps the one time it's warranted so his kid
Speaker 1: doesn't get his knees broken. But okay, But so this
Speaker 1: is the back story that I found sweet resting because
Speaker 1: Dante and act like they know Dan Scott from high
Speaker 1: school and they're about the same age, So what's that backstory?
Speaker 1: Did they play together? Did they play against each other?
Speaker 1: When Danny was on JV, Like, what is the story
Speaker 1: they said? That would have been so cool they had
Speaker 1: said that when Dan walked into the strip club and
Speaker 1: they were like, look who it is, our old boy?
Speaker 1: Did you know something like the young hot shot whatever?
Speaker 1: Because ps the minute Nathan says you know, Dan asks
Speaker 1: him what their names are, and Nathan says Dante and Bear,
Speaker 1: and Dan knows immediately who they are. And it's like
Speaker 1: if there had been backstory rather than oh, everybody knows
Speaker 1: the local mafia guys like, which is ridiculous, who are
Speaker 1: these people? They needed a name for their gang? If
Speaker 1: he knew them from high school, it's much more interesting.
Speaker 1: So much, Yeah, and you're right they should have done that. Um,
Speaker 1: do you think Dan was being more docile because he's
Speaker 1: trying He seems to be trying to become a better
Speaker 1: person at this school, Karen that was going on. I
Speaker 1: think he doesn't want to funk up Nathan's like Duke prospect.
Speaker 1: I think it's more about the legacy of basketball. Then
Speaker 1: it's like trying to impress Karen, you know, not impress her,
Speaker 1: but like if there's some sort of sincere change. I
Speaker 1: do think he's on his best behavior around her. She does.
Speaker 1: He does present as his best self, which is essentially
Speaker 1: the bare minimum for a normal person when he's around Karen.
Speaker 1: But I I agree with Hill and that I really
Speaker 1: think he looks at the facts. And because Dan doesn't
Speaker 1: care about Whitey at all, he doesn't give a ship
Speaker 1: if Whitey loses that last championship. He just wants Nathan
Speaker 1: to be okay and to go to Duke. So it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, it sucks for everybody else, but you're
Speaker 1: still gonna win. And that's classic Dan Scott. I don't
Speaker 1: care what happens to anybody else as long as I win.
Speaker 1: And he's telling Nathan to do the same thing. That's
Speaker 1: true that happened in my high school. We went we
Speaker 1: went to the state well, no, we went to the
Speaker 1: state championship, and there was a boy from my school
Speaker 1: who had gotten like a full ride to uv A
Speaker 1: to go play football. There was a real fear that
Speaker 1: he could get hurt in that final game and it
Speaker 1: would screw up his scholarship, and so she told everyone
Speaker 1: he had mono and couldn't play. So our star player
Speaker 1: did not play in the state championship game and we
Speaker 1: lost by one point. We lost by like a kick
Speaker 1: at the end, and you know, he was absolved because
Speaker 1: his future was set. But for everyone else whose last
Speaker 1: game it was, it was like devastating. And for the
Speaker 1: poor kicker who like all came down on that kid.
Speaker 1: I think he was like a sophomore too that they
Speaker 1: brought up from the soccer team, and so his heart
Speaker 1: was broken. Um, but this one kid, all of us
Speaker 1: were like, you don't have mono, like show us the letter.
Speaker 1: But all his mother cared about was like, I'm preserving
Speaker 1: your future. I don't give any of these other kids
Speaker 1: like You're the only one I care about. So that
Speaker 1: reality for Dan Scott is like pretty believable, you know,
Speaker 1: just I'm only here to care about my kid. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and by the way, I can't say I don't get it,
Speaker 1: like the idea, especially because of how intense those contact
Speaker 1: sports are. Like a kid gets a concussion, a kid's
Speaker 1: need gets snapped in the wrong direction, and they're there,
Speaker 1: their career is over there, They're dealing with a disability
Speaker 1: for the rest of their life. And this idea that
Speaker 1: you know, what I think our show did well in
Speaker 1: the moments was when it really told the story of
Speaker 1: the everyman and like the small town kid, and before
Speaker 1: we jumped the shark and everyone became the most successful person.
Speaker 1: What they did, like wheat has got to live up
Speaker 1: to that. Everyone had to be exceptional. But but I
Speaker 1: think there's it's like I get that fear of this
Speaker 1: is one more night that's either going to make or
Speaker 1: break your life. My kid's only chance to go to college,
Speaker 1: to go to college, debt free, to have a future,
Speaker 1: is making sure that they stay safe for this, you know,
Speaker 1: three more hours of a Saturday night. And that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. That that is a moral dilemma that I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sitting here being like I would
Speaker 1: have done the same thing. I'm just going, Oh, that
Speaker 1: is that is heavy, Like that that amount of stress
Speaker 1: and pressure because because It's like, what message does it
Speaker 1: send to the kid. I'm not saying it's it's good
Speaker 1: or bad. I'm just wondering what the message is that
Speaker 1: you can't You've been working towards this with your whole team,
Speaker 1: everybody's been on the same page, and then at the
Speaker 1: last minute, then you can't say you can't participate. Like
Speaker 1: did he want to? And he's he was forced not
Speaker 1: to or was he Like nobody knows, that's what those
Speaker 1: private conversations were. But to force your kids to not
Speaker 1: participate in something that they wanted to, they've when working
Speaker 1: toward all year, and like not sharing the joy of
Speaker 1: the winning maybe or that that moment. And as a parent,
Speaker 1: you're saying, my job, my job is to protect you. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know what, what I'm realizing is really interesting
Speaker 1: is that there's a layer added because Hillary, you're telling
Speaker 1: a story about the football team, and because football is
Speaker 1: such an injury prone sport. Basketball it's like, who gives
Speaker 1: you're gonna go play the game? Like what are we
Speaker 1: talking about? You know, the threat to Nathan is that
Speaker 1: they're going to break his knees. It's not that his
Speaker 1: knees are going to get broken in a basketball game.
Speaker 1: It's so much less likely that you have, you know,
Speaker 1: a career ending an injury, and I don't know man
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, I'm like, that's a that's but
Speaker 1: all the other parents are like, you know what, my
Speaker 1: child has sacrificed their body to make your our child
Speaker 1: look good for the last four years. The least you
Speaker 1: can do is show us show up and walk out
Speaker 1: onto that court or so uncomfortable. That's what I think
Speaker 1: about the message, Like, what's the message that's being set
Speaker 1: subliminally for that kid to the rest of his life
Speaker 1: walking out going Everyone else is allowed to make sacrifices
Speaker 1: for me, but I don't make them for other people.
Speaker 1: Ask the message. There's no I in team, but there
Speaker 1: is interesting. I mean, do you think that Nathan should
Speaker 1: play like you're in Nathan shoes? Do you think that
Speaker 1: he should throw the game? Yeah? I think he should play,
Speaker 1: and he should and he should not throw the game.
Speaker 1: I think he should play his hard out and do
Speaker 1: the right thing and deal with the consequences afterwards. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm like, if knowing what the court courting processes
Speaker 1: for college sports, like that recruiter comes in and they
Speaker 1: take you to dinner and they meet your mom and
Speaker 1: dad and there's like a whole little the fair where
Speaker 1: they try to get you to choose their school. Like
Speaker 1: why doesn't Nathan just pick up the phone and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting you know, I'm getting outroaded. I'm not the
Speaker 1: first or last kid who is going to encounter this
Speaker 1: situation because he's a dumb kid and those guys are
Speaker 1: big and scary. Well, and I think because there is
Speaker 1: the fear. There is always the fear when you have
Speaker 1: done something wrong, even if it started as an innocent
Speaker 1: situation or mistake. The fear is if I tell everything
Speaker 1: will be over, Yeah, if I if I admit how
Speaker 1: far this has gotten, this will be a catastrophe. And interestingly,
Speaker 1: in in in that very human instinct to try to
Speaker 1: avoid what you see as your present potential catastrophe, you
Speaker 1: make the coming catastrophe worse. That's why I think he
Speaker 1: should play and play hard and do the best you
Speaker 1: can and try and win and not throw the game,
Speaker 1: because it's just you just keep creating the lies. Snowball
Speaker 1: man and deception snowballs. It just keeps going and gets
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger. I don't know, I think you gotta
Speaker 1: keep your side and straight clean as much as you can. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I feel like we were having a pretty good time
Speaker 1: with Rick Fox and Conrad fair Like. It was cool.
Speaker 1: That energy was fun, Like just you guys are here
Speaker 1: to bullious. I like it and I love you. I
Speaker 1: loved you. In the cafe with them, You're like, thanks, boys,
Speaker 1: give me some more money. I know. So cute. They
Speaker 1: were fun, they were fun to have around. They were
Speaker 1: so lovely. Yeah, my boobs looked huge in this episode.
Speaker 1: Hot in this episode. Okay, so the last two episodes,
Speaker 1: whatever was going on with the Maxim fall out, you
Speaker 1: were making them pay for that joy because oh you
Speaker 1: wanted some of this, Well, then you're missing me. Um,
Speaker 1: you made him pay. I liked it. I like the
Speaker 1: little lacey dress at the banquet too. What was fun
Speaker 1: about this stage that we're entering into for Haley in
Speaker 1: the pregnancy is that, Um, what many people don't know
Speaker 1: about me is, um, I am a bit gluten intolerant,
Speaker 1: and when I eat certain things, my stomach instantly looks
Speaker 1: like I'm pregnant instantly, and um to the point where
Speaker 1: I've had people come up to me and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I didn't know. Stop. Oh oh, I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding. Any time I eat a sandwich, people on
Speaker 1: the internet are like, oh my god, she's pregnant, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, I am aware that it looks like
Speaker 1: I have swallowed a whole bowling ball, but that sandwich
Speaker 1: was delicious and it was worth it. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what you want for me, and like, I have
Speaker 1: photos that much. You guys know, my my best friend Babs,
Speaker 1: we have a picture the two of us standing side
Speaker 1: by side in a mirror picking our shirts up, and
Speaker 1: we look like too pregnant best friends. And he had
Speaker 1: just we had been traveling for like three weeks and
Speaker 1: didn't have an option to eat food we weren't allergic to.
Speaker 1: And it is I'm going to dig it up and
Speaker 1: send it to you. It is unbelievable how pregnant we look.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, it's just it's back then we
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know a lot about allergies or
Speaker 1: what I need. Eight hours. It was like you just
Speaker 1: go over to the craft table and shove in your
Speaker 1: mouth whatever's there. Whenever hot you know, hot pockets snack
Speaker 1: they bring out at eleven o'clocket. So I'm showing all
Speaker 1: this stuff in my mouth and I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: what this But I'm always having to suck my stomach
Speaker 1: in every time that happens. And so finally, for the
Speaker 1: next like I don't know, seven or eight episodes, I
Speaker 1: just relax because Hayley pregnant, so I could tell let
Speaker 1: it all gro. You used your instrument, you knew your instrument,
Speaker 1: and you were like, I'm making art right now. I
Speaker 1: am going to use this. But I think I was
Speaker 1: wearing a padded bra for the pregnancy stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was fun. It was a fun. Look Um, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the banquet, Okay, I remember being
Speaker 1: going out of order, but whatever, we're going out of order.
Speaker 1: But I remember being very pro banquet hair do. Yes
Speaker 1: you are. I loved it. Yeah, I loved it at
Speaker 1: the time. To you, it was in bohemian joy and
Speaker 1: that was a vibe I was into. I feel like
Speaker 1: the image you brought in, wasn't it from along Came Polly? No,
Speaker 1: it was from Jennifer Aniston at your Clothes, But Jennifer
Speaker 1: Aniston at the Golden Globes. The usual were in the
Speaker 1: cold dress and crazy and she had graides like in
Speaker 1: her in her beachways. Yes, and you wanted those little
Speaker 1: braids and your wives. And the reason the reason it
Speaker 1: worked on her as because she was incredibly toned in
Speaker 1: hands of her body structurally looked like it was like
Speaker 1: a sculpture structure. And the dress she was wearing was
Speaker 1: very structured. It was a long gold dress that I
Speaker 1: think had like maybe rectangular beads on it or something,
Speaker 1: so it was super angular everything. Then so then you
Speaker 1: compliment that with the wildness of the hair and it works.
Speaker 1: But with this I'm already wearing a frilly dress. I
Speaker 1: didn't have My body wasn't in that sort of like
Speaker 1: structural format, and it was just like I literally looked
Speaker 1: like I had been sleeping days on that hair with
Speaker 1: never washing it and never taking a shower. That's what
Speaker 1: it looked like. And by the way, that's what our
Speaker 1: bosses all told me. And I was like, you guys
Speaker 1: don't have any creativity. You're just you know, silly boys,
Speaker 1: you don't know, trying to control me. The hottest thing
Speaker 1: I'm in red carpet. No, it really wasn't. I thought
Speaker 1: it could have been used a little. But here's what
Speaker 1: I'll say. It had strong like Game of Thrones energy, oh,
Speaker 1: where it was like, yeah, it was themed. Hell. We
Speaker 1: were saying when we were watching the scene between Brooke
Speaker 1: and Haley and the banquet that after Brooke walks away,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you said. You said something about
Speaker 1: like I'm just not sure anymore something. You walked away
Speaker 1: from me, and I just really wanted you to turn
Speaker 1: around and come back and say do you need a
Speaker 1: hair brush? It's when Brooke is telling Haley what a
Speaker 1: good friend Rachel has been to her. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Oh yeah, I just love that, like
Speaker 1: Brooke and Rachel for the last couple episodes have morphed
Speaker 1: and like the outfits match, the hair matches, the eyeliner matches.
Speaker 1: It's like when your cycles sync up when you're living
Speaker 1: with another girl. It's a total subconscious thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, you're the same human now, Like so cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really cute because you had your hair all bouncy
Speaker 1: and curly, and I'm like, look at all that girl
Speaker 1: and Daniel's hair today George washed the episode over my
Speaker 1: shoulder and she was like, is that the same person?
Speaker 1: Great too? I loved that red forties lip on you
Speaker 1: with your hair all baby, that was so pretty. And
Speaker 1: Rachel Danielle doing that sixties headband. Yeah, dress look so
Speaker 1: yeah with a little boufa in the back. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: is interesting that both of us went kind of period.
Speaker 1: I liked it. It was it was very sweet. I
Speaker 1: liked that red lip too. Well. If you're not wearing
Speaker 1: a red dress, one must red lips, one must. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the uh, the Brooke and Lucas of it all,
Speaker 1: because that threw me for a loop. It's so random
Speaker 1: and it literally makes no sense that Brooke is like,
Speaker 1: the two people I love the most in the world
Speaker 1: have broken my heart and then she's like, do you
Speaker 1: want to go to the banquet with me? I think
Speaker 1: I miss you? And and Joy and I were watching
Speaker 1: because you were taking Georgia school and we were like,
Speaker 1: why is this happening? Like this doesn't track at all,
Speaker 1: And I realized by the time we got to the
Speaker 1: end of the episode the entire reason for it is
Speaker 1: to set up that these two can admit that the
Speaker 1: spark is gone, that they're gonna be friends for real,
Speaker 1: just so Lucas can tell Peyton that him and Brooke
Speaker 1: have realized it's over. That's the only reason. It's not
Speaker 1: grounded in any reality. It just needed to happen so
Speaker 1: that you guys could happen, so in service of the story.
Speaker 1: I get it, but I really wish. I just wish
Speaker 1: there had been something that had triggered it got yes,
Speaker 1: something that had gotten her thinking about it, or that
Speaker 1: she'd said to Rachel, you know, I went for a
Speaker 1: bad boy again, and maybe I should try to make
Speaker 1: it work with it. Not I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't come up with any reason
Speaker 1: that it would happen. I know it needed to, so
Speaker 1: there needed to be something, but it just felt so random.
Speaker 1: I okay, I agree. But in the context of Brook's
Speaker 1: character being an only child and growing up in a householder,
Speaker 1: she probably got what she wanted a lot. I think
Speaker 1: that does kind of reed um personality characteristics, where it's
Speaker 1: hard to make a decision because every time you choose something,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, maybe I wanted the other thing. Oh well,
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't have chose that. Maybe she chose this.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of it feels realistic to me that
Speaker 1: she would have made her choice and then been like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe I don't let me see,
Speaker 1: let me see, let me see. So what you're saying
Speaker 1: is the Brook and Nathan are the same person. There
Speaker 1: two privileged white kids that are like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do some dumb like I don't need to like maybe
Speaker 1: everybody all the time. If Brooke can what she wants
Speaker 1: all the time, if that's sort of been the habit
Speaker 1: in her life, then that it would naturally make sense
Speaker 1: that she would want the thing that she can't have.
Speaker 1: So once she makes the decision and like pushes Lucas away,
Speaker 1: now he's the person that she can't have, so she
Speaker 1: kind of wants to find out, like can I still
Speaker 1: have him? I see that less though in this I
Speaker 1: think the thing, the only thing that grounded it in
Speaker 1: some reality for me was when when Rachel says to Brooke,
Speaker 1: like you're clearly rebounding, of course, and you know Brooke
Speaker 1: was betrayed. She just got cheated on again, and she's
Speaker 1: doing it, and you know, she she's like, if they're
Speaker 1: all the same, maybe I should give it a shot
Speaker 1: with somebody that I I love. The devil, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the devil, you know, it's like we you know,
Speaker 1: there there's all that research that says we would rather
Speaker 1: be in the pain we know than risk the unknown,
Speaker 1: even if it would get us past it. And so
Speaker 1: I that I get just wish they'd leaned into it
Speaker 1: a little more. I think the writing was really lazy
Speaker 1: in this for Brooke, with this, with this Lucas rebound thing,
Speaker 1: and I think if if she could have gotten a
Speaker 1: little clearer on it, even if Rachel had pushed her
Speaker 1: a little more, because that's where I see that thing
Speaker 1: you're talking about joy. If Rachel's like, you're rebounding and
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm not, No, I'm not. What, let
Speaker 1: me show you how much I'm not rebound. They still
Speaker 1: really care about this person. Like that I would have
Speaker 1: loved to see. But what I do like is that
Speaker 1: if it is that, if it is, that, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go back to what I know very quickly. It's
Speaker 1: just like it's gone. You know, when the fire goes out,
Speaker 1: you can't always relight it, and and it's gone. And
Speaker 1: I liked seeing I thought that Janice Cook, our director,
Speaker 1: did a really good job. When Whitey is giving his
Speaker 1: beautiful speech about Camilla, you see the way. It's hitting
Speaker 1: everyone differently, but it's not overplayed. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I caught the moment between Haley and Nathan realizing they
Speaker 1: have that kind of love. I watched everybody having these
Speaker 1: things and I literally saw Brooke kind of go ah, Nope,
Speaker 1: don't have it. I don't have that. And I liked.
Speaker 1: I liked that there was a realization of I want
Speaker 1: to be loved like that. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: exists anymore, but I'd like to find out, and that
Speaker 1: felt nice. The pressure that it has to exist in
Speaker 1: high school is hilarious to me. And like, I love
Speaker 1: that Rachel has become our voice of reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's like saying all the no dust stuff. Um. However,
Speaker 1: there was some with Rachel that I was very conflicted
Speaker 1: about and I took no. Okay, so the whole failing
Speaker 1: grade thing, we know what was going on behind the
Speaker 1: scenes at this point, like she was rejecting our boss,
Speaker 1: Daniel was behind the scenes. And so this whole speech
Speaker 1: that the calculus teacher gives her, You're a pretty girl
Speaker 1: and can flirt your way through, but all your friends
Speaker 1: are going to leave you behind, and if you don't
Speaker 1: do the work, you're not going to get to hang
Speaker 1: out with your playmates. You know. That was all such
Speaker 1: veiled language against her, and it's just such like weird
Speaker 1: subconscious like, yeah, it was, you're right. It was such
Speaker 1: a random scene and we really hated that out of order, inappropriate,
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was an out of touch
Speaker 1: teacher being like, oh, you know, I just got a study,
Speaker 1: just got a study harder and will be fine. But
Speaker 1: it didn't fit. It was so weird and now I
Speaker 1: understand why now that you're bringing that up well, because
Speaker 1: and they also tried to veil the threat by hiring
Speaker 1: a woman to play that teacher, so that it was
Speaker 1: a woman saying to a younger woman, I see what
Speaker 1: you're doing. You're pretty and you rely on your looks.
Speaker 1: And it reeked of like sexist, ick because it was
Speaker 1: our boss saying that to Danille, not a teacher saying
Speaker 1: it to Rachel. And it's so gross. It's grows when
Speaker 1: someone thinks they're being clever and you're like, uh, we
Speaker 1: all know what you're doing, dork, we all see you.
Speaker 1: But I thought we had also established earlier in Rachel's
Speaker 1: storyline that she was like, you know, secretly brilliant because
Speaker 1: she answered all sorts of hard questions and knew, like
Speaker 1: all these answers in some class. That's right, We've already
Speaker 1: established that she's like super smart. And she does say
Speaker 1: to Haley, you tutor all these people. I've seen what
Speaker 1: you do for them. I'm actually smart. I've just missed
Speaker 1: a lot of class. So they they did try, but
Speaker 1: not that hard, not that hard. It was just it
Speaker 1: was just lost in in the personal attacks, and we
Speaker 1: were at that stage in our show where so much
Speaker 1: of what was happening on screen was needling at people personally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now Mouth's rejecting her. Now Mouth the character based
Speaker 1: on our boss, I don't want you anymore. I've got
Speaker 1: somebody new. So what do you guys think about the
Speaker 1: speech everybody kept giving Haley about giving everyone's second chances,
Speaker 1: because that was all about Rachel like trying to get
Speaker 1: to I was disappointed that Haley had nothing to do
Speaker 1: this episode. Well that's I don't have anything to do
Speaker 1: for the next because she's becoming a mother and that's
Speaker 1: her only identity. You're like hair right now, I'm all
Speaker 1: for it. But you know what I will say is
Speaker 1: because there's such a beautiful relationship established that you and
Speaker 1: James have built for Haley and Nathan. It's so fun
Speaker 1: to watch you guys together, even if technically there's not
Speaker 1: a lot going on. There's so much happening around you
Speaker 1: that there's a bit of a respite as an audience
Speaker 1: member when I get to see the people I love
Speaker 1: to watch being in love, just being good to each
Speaker 1: It's not important, it's totally important. In a story like That's,
Speaker 1: where you've got so many weaving storylines, so much drama,
Speaker 1: you've got to have at least one stable place, even
Speaker 1: if the stable place changes into into different storylines, and
Speaker 1: it has to otherwise it gets boring. But I just
Speaker 1: I guess as your friend, I just want to say,
Speaker 1: even when you feel like you don't have a lot
Speaker 1: to do, you're so fun to watch. You're like the
Speaker 1: safe thing we want our woo be. You know who else?
Speaker 1: You know who else is really becoming a highlight in
Speaker 1: that space, And I wish we'd gotten to hold onto
Speaker 1: him longer. Is Earnest? Yeah, real, Derek, you know they
Speaker 1: did that thing. I know we talked about it a bit,
Speaker 1: and we can, you know, we can get into it.
Speaker 1: They made him kind of the cliche of the military
Speaker 1: guy who's always yelling at you. And I think when
Speaker 1: they when they got that out of their systems, and
Speaker 1: he just was able to be present with you and
Speaker 1: wasn't written to yell, but was able to be firm
Speaker 1: and challenging to you know, to say to you. I
Speaker 1: wrote it down that that he says, take a risk today.
Speaker 1: He pushes you lovingly. And it's really nice in you know,
Speaker 1: Larry's absence. It's so nice to see Peyton have a
Speaker 1: supportive male figure in her life like this, this older
Speaker 1: brother figure. It's just really really fun to watch watching
Speaker 1: the bedroom get painted, you know, the advent of red
Speaker 1: bedroom records. It's all starting. And uh, you guys had
Speaker 1: a I don't remember exactly what the dialogue was, but
Speaker 1: your chemistry is just so good and I was I
Speaker 1: need more of this. I need more of the two
Speaker 1: of these guys interacting. Guys, Guys, you want it today?
Speaker 1: Do you want it today? Don't want it today? More
Speaker 1: and more and more. Earnest, I'm really excited about this reunion.
Speaker 1: I have not gotten to see Ernest since he left
Speaker 1: the show. So guys, we have him today. Let's breathe
Speaker 1: in you guys, my brother's here. They're well, how do you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you look exactly the same. I'm going
Speaker 1: to you, I've aged twenty years and you look exactly
Speaker 1: the same. And that's not fair. Um. We've been watching
Speaker 1: you for like weeks now, which sounds like a very
Speaker 1: creepy way to start this off, but watching like the
Speaker 1: introduction of real Derek and then all the military stuff
Speaker 1: which we can we can get into. Um, I'm really
Speaker 1: glad that you were able to come on for this
Speaker 1: episode because this was a lovely you know, button for
Speaker 1: your character. Um, you know, seeing you deploy, I was
Speaker 1: really sad. We've just been watching you and Hillary and
Speaker 1: your whole storyline and and we've really just been like
Speaker 1: fawning over you. So we're so happy you're here. Thank you,
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you guys enjoyed my performance, and I'm
Speaker 1: so happy about that. We wish we had you for
Speaker 1: so much longer. We're watching it back, you know, because
Speaker 1: Sophia just said, we don't remember a lot of it.
Speaker 1: We just didn't have time to watch the show while
Speaker 1: we were filming it, so we missed a lot of
Speaker 1: your performance. You know, we saw bits and pieces, But
Speaker 1: it's so nice to watch it back now and also
Speaker 1: sad to realize we only got you for four or
Speaker 1: five episodes. We needed more. I felt really protected with
Speaker 1: you being there. You know. We had just done the
Speaker 1: storyline where like my characters assaulted and there was also
Speaker 1: all this like wonky stuff going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and you came in as such like a grounded, mature energy,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, why, why are you taking
Speaker 1: this person away from me? Like they took Ellie away
Speaker 1: from me, they took you away from me. I was
Speaker 1: just like, what people always leave? God, people always leave? What? Um?
Speaker 1: What was your experience with the show before you got cast?
Speaker 1: Did you have any idea what One Tree Hill was?
Speaker 1: Honestly no, because I was in college, so like literally college,
Speaker 1: I watching no TV. And then like I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got a call and they said, hey, down
Speaker 1: to Wilmington's And it was just so amazing because I'm
Speaker 1: actually from Wilmington's. Yeah, Oh my gosh, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten, like so much of my family is from
Speaker 1: Wilmington's and I was. I had had an amazing time
Speaker 1: there because my dad, not my dad, my uncle loaned
Speaker 1: me his car and it was just amazing. It was great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I grew up. I grew up in Wilmington.
Speaker 1: I was there for like the first few years until
Speaker 1: about three. Yeah, and then I go there every year
Speaker 1: because my family is there and we go to Rightful
Speaker 1: Beach to the we have a beach house there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, So you're still always there. I'm
Speaker 1: still always there. And then in mind from middle school,
Speaker 1: Joe Houser, he runs a company in Wilmington. So it's
Speaker 1: just like it's just funny coincidence. So when you go
Speaker 1: down there, do people recognize you? Are they like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's brother Derek. Oh of course, of course.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone in Hound knew you guys. I
Speaker 1: mean even when we were shooting, you know, just like
Speaker 1: going out, people would just that's all they would talk about.
Speaker 1: It was it was very cool. I have a very
Speaker 1: strong sense memory of us being at level five. Do
Speaker 1: you remember real Marines on the rooftop? We had the
Speaker 1: fake Marines with us, and it was like there was
Speaker 1: like this energy of like, oh, you guys are playing
Speaker 1: military on TV. Well we're military in real life and
Speaker 1: we'll kick your ass. And I just remember being like
Speaker 1: oh no, they will. Yeah. I definitely felt a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure. Just I mean, my my family were from
Speaker 1: the military. I had my father was in the Air Force,
Speaker 1: my uncle was in the Air Force. So everyone was
Speaker 1: like just picking me apart after the episode. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: just my walk wasn't completely military. You know, We're saying
Speaker 1: good bye and then I'm like walking away, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fact that, uh, in the last episode, Lucas and
Speaker 1: Peyton both just came out into the training center and
Speaker 1: just like found you, like rolled up in a hummer
Speaker 1: walking around base. Yeah, just like got right in, no problem.
Speaker 1: We lost our minds. We were like, on no planet
Speaker 1: would someone in fatigue just pick up a teenage boy
Speaker 1: and drive him into the middle of a training exercise.
Speaker 1: We were losing it. But but having having so many
Speaker 1: folks in your family come from military backgrounds, did you
Speaker 1: ask for advice when you got the part of Derek
Speaker 1: or were you like, I got this, I know what
Speaker 1: this is, Like, how did you prepare for it? I
Speaker 1: had such little time to prepare. I was actually on
Speaker 1: vacation in Europe when I found out that I was
Speaker 1: going to do the show, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna come to Wilmington everything, and I think I
Speaker 1: maybe had very little time to get down there and
Speaker 1: get started, so I just I mostly had to just
Speaker 1: go off of what I knew from my dad, from
Speaker 1: just family members. But the hardest part was just you know,
Speaker 1: I just felt like, you know, erect in this uni.
Speaker 1: It was kind of tight in there. But but I
Speaker 1: remember they made a really big deal out of that.
Speaker 1: There was like a technical advisor to make sure that
Speaker 1: the belt was appropriate, and so much pressure was put
Speaker 1: on you to like make it right, you know. It
Speaker 1: was it was a mad dash for sure. And then
Speaker 1: I remember them the technical guy with the punching yes yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and I and I just I was just so excited
Speaker 1: and I was ready to jump in. So whatever it was,
Speaker 1: I was pretty much prepared to just you know, just
Speaker 1: go with the flow, you know. Um. We talked a
Speaker 1: lot about how like you were directed to be really
Speaker 1: really angry and to be like really aggressive in the
Speaker 1: first couple of episodes where we see Derek, the first
Speaker 1: version of brother Derek we had was definitely like get
Speaker 1: your together, Pat, and you're being a baby, you know,
Speaker 1: and was like super aggressive. Was that eat your experience
Speaker 1: with military and your family just being like heightened like that,
Speaker 1: or was that something that you were directed to do
Speaker 1: on our show because you're so good at like the softer,
Speaker 1: more intimate stuff. I think, I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a natural impulse for me. Sometimes with emotional I
Speaker 1: feel like I high lean on anger sometimes maybe too much,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but um, and I think I was
Speaker 1: aware that there would be a shift, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to go in initially with a little bit more oomph
Speaker 1: and then kind of shift to the more sensitive side.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, m hm. That's smart to be
Speaker 1: able to give an arc too, so you don't just
Speaker 1: come in at the same at the same tone, because
Speaker 1: we wanted to see you sort of get wooed into
Speaker 1: this experience and then how it be that much harder
Speaker 1: to leave? Absolutely? Absolutely, And I really felt the ending
Speaker 1: to like, I mean, even just watching it back so much.
Speaker 1: There's so much heart in One Street Hill, which I
Speaker 1: really appreciate, And even the way the show was shot,
Speaker 1: I feel like they just aren't them any shows that
Speaker 1: you see now, Yeah, that really capture that young adult sweetness,
Speaker 1: that young adult Um. I don't want to use the
Speaker 1: word angst, but you mean Yeah, Well, I think what
Speaker 1: what was interesting for us was realizing that our show
Speaker 1: gave a lot of people permission to be vulnerable anyways
Speaker 1: that didn't require you know, fantasy or and again no
Speaker 1: shade to the genres we love, but we didn't need vampires.
Speaker 1: We didn't need you know, billionaire parents with private jets.
Speaker 1: We didn't need it. Like, it didn't have to be
Speaker 1: so heightened. It could just be honest. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you tapped into that in such a way
Speaker 1: it felt natural, you know, to your point Derek coming in,
Speaker 1: you know, written the characters written to be reluctant to
Speaker 1: say I didn't ask for a sister, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't sign up for this, and that sort of energy,
Speaker 1: combined with this military background, it's so interesting to hear
Speaker 1: you say that you wanted to really bring it in
Speaker 1: the beginning because it's it's a mask, right, It's a
Speaker 1: defense mechanism for his terability. So much from just my
Speaker 1: family members, just that there's a there's a way that
Speaker 1: you have to protect your emotions in order to do
Speaker 1: the job that you have to do. And that's I
Speaker 1: think something that I very much felt from from my father.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring to this because you know, working
Speaker 1: with Hillary, you were just so charming and you're so sweet.
Speaker 1: So it was just I was really happy to have family.
Speaker 1: I was so I've been so alone earnest. But you
Speaker 1: and I both come from military families, and so I
Speaker 1: think we very quickly bonded over that because there was
Speaker 1: this desire to portray the military in a loving way.
Speaker 1: You know, we were at war at the time. I
Speaker 1: had friends in Iraq. I think you also had friends
Speaker 1: that were deployed or family members that were that we're
Speaker 1: out um, and you know that that was important to
Speaker 1: us that like we show the honor of our men
Speaker 1: and women, you know, And and we wanted the character
Speaker 1: of Derek to kind of embody that and be like, look,
Speaker 1: this is someone that deals with hard stuff and is
Speaker 1: doing it in a noble way. And he may seem
Speaker 1: like a hard ass, but he's actually like parked outside
Speaker 1: of Peyton's house making sure that no one breaks in
Speaker 1: while she's asleep. Yeah, and that that ark for you
Speaker 1: and the way that you played it, bringing that mask
Speaker 1: down when you see him out there and he tells
Speaker 1: Lucas that he's staying, but she doesn't need to know
Speaker 1: because he's trying to give her that confidence back. And
Speaker 1: then this episode, the reward of seeing you tube together
Speaker 1: out you know, socially in a in a happier environment,
Speaker 1: and watching you be supportive and remind her that she's
Speaker 1: a strong person and that she can do these things.
Speaker 1: It's it's just such a refreshing energy, um, in the
Speaker 1: midst of our show. Yeah, and in such a simple message,
Speaker 1: even the no fear. I just really appreciated that. Just
Speaker 1: hearing that, UM, I think that that's something that it's
Speaker 1: so simple. It's such a simple statement. But I think
Speaker 1: that everyone struggles with you, you know, and UM, I
Speaker 1: don't know, that just really resonated with me. I love it.
Speaker 1: In this episode, you said to Peyton, go take the risk. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell my daughter that I used to
Speaker 1: tell her a lot more. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got out of practice that I used to tell
Speaker 1: her all the time on her way to school. You've
Speaker 1: got to make at least two mistakes today. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a great, you know memo, because exactly exactly how else
Speaker 1: are you gonna learn if you don't and learn that
Speaker 1: and you do make mistakes, it's usually okay, Like if
Speaker 1: everybody's okay. In the end, like things eventually get cleaned up,
Speaker 1: so you gotta try episode because she actually gets rejected,
Speaker 1: the horrible thing happens, You make the mistakes, you give
Speaker 1: it to try, and then the bad thing happens and
Speaker 1: it's still okay. That was my favorite part is the
Speaker 1: look on your face, Ernest, when Peyton comes and like
Speaker 1: has to tell you, like, yeah, I did it. Uh
Speaker 1: it didn't go good. It went bad, and like that
Speaker 1: lock on your face of like, oh, come out and
Speaker 1: just wait. It worse for this kid, Like how do
Speaker 1: I got to stay and go to the banquet with
Speaker 1: her now? But I want to go. I think your advice,
Speaker 1: you know, take the risk is part of what pushes
Speaker 1: Peyton to finally say it in the end, you know,
Speaker 1: when Lucas says, Brooke and I have realized it's over,
Speaker 1: like it's really over, and then you you unload and
Speaker 1: you say how you've been feeling. It's like you're still
Speaker 1: taking his advice. Actually, I love that. I felt really
Speaker 1: comfortable with you from the jump because you were a
Speaker 1: n y U guy and I had just worked with
Speaker 1: Brian Greenberg who was also an n y U guy,
Speaker 1: and like Strangely enough, you guys had very similar set energy,
Speaker 1: like I can see that, yeah, and so I didn't
Speaker 1: I have for the whole rest of my career, always
Speaker 1: wondered if that was like an n y U thing,
Speaker 1: just that like grounded nous and focus. You know, you
Speaker 1: two were the most prominent people had worked with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's definitely like a tunnel vision. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this for this, but just um that when I'm on set,
Speaker 1: everything goes so freaking quick for me, and I just
Speaker 1: feel like, well, where did the time go? And I
Speaker 1: think it's like I have a d D. But like
Speaker 1: the only time I have tunnel jian is when I'm acting,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think that there's something about n
Speaker 1: Yu that kind of garners that. You know, we spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time, like thirty forty minutes before we
Speaker 1: even enter a room into a scene, so you spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time trying to, I guess, work yourself
Speaker 1: into a particular state, you know, for the circumstances. For sure, Um,
Speaker 1: it's hard, it's hard, but if things are just moving, moving, moving,
Speaker 1: it's just like you're kind of stuck in a machine,
Speaker 1: especially coming onto a show like ours, where it was
Speaker 1: such a well oiled machine, and we all have our
Speaker 1: relationships set and everything was kind of you. You're walking
Speaker 1: into something that's been in motion for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean there's definitely a lot of payoffs still.
Speaker 1: But to be able to just come in solid and
Speaker 1: centered and comfortable with who you are and who you
Speaker 1: saw this character as and just give that it was
Speaker 1: such a generous. It's such a generous thing to do
Speaker 1: as an act or to not get caught up in
Speaker 1: the hype or the chaos or the confusion or the
Speaker 1: intimidation and any of that stuff, but just to just
Speaker 1: open up your heart and be there in spite of
Speaker 1: all these things whirling around you. And you definitely had
Speaker 1: that presence. I didn't work with you more than I
Speaker 1: think that one scene, that banquet scene, but I remember
Speaker 1: that about you. What I remember was all of you
Speaker 1: were so close. It was just and and it's so
Speaker 1: funny because I didn't get that, I got the vibe.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with eight. I'm sorry, Hillary, because because
Speaker 1: I immediately I did feel comfortable around you, but then
Speaker 1: when I met all the rest of you, I still
Speaker 1: just felt completely comfortable because you guys are so comfortable
Speaker 1: with each other, and it really comes across. Even when
Speaker 1: I watched it today, Um, it was just obvious that
Speaker 1: you guys, we're so close and loved each other and
Speaker 1: we're having so much fun, and um it made the
Speaker 1: episode more enjoyable. I really actually enjoyed watching it this time.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, I get all weird about seeing myself,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well, yeah, what was the
Speaker 1: reaction from all of your buddies though? When you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm on one tree hill. You know, remember that time
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to be doing like cool edgy, like everyone
Speaker 1: wanted to be playing a heroin addict back during two
Speaker 1: thousand six. Oh yeah, I mean that's I mean that
Speaker 1: was like I mean, coming out of n y U,
Speaker 1: I was like edgy, Yes, But even watching this again,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, like, there's so much about this
Speaker 1: show that's so soft, and I just really enjoyed the
Speaker 1: pace of the show as well. I think that it
Speaker 1: would be hard to make a young adult show like
Speaker 1: this now, just because I think that they would. They
Speaker 1: would try to make everything punchy, they would try to
Speaker 1: sensationalize things, and I really felt the softness, the sweetness,
Speaker 1: the room, a building of relationship. You can't duplicate it,
Speaker 1: you can't recreate that. I feel like it was a
Speaker 1: time capsule, a time capsule of TV, because I think
Speaker 1: that you can look at the show and you could,
Speaker 1: you know, pick apart the hairstyles and the clothes and
Speaker 1: things of that era. But I think that there was
Speaker 1: there was something else happening that I feel like just
Speaker 1: doesn't no longer exist in television. You know, even when
Speaker 1: you watch Netflix, I feel like you can immediately tell
Speaker 1: a Netflix show even if you didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, what what were the shows you watched
Speaker 1: growing up? Like? What were the shows when you were
Speaker 1: in high school and made you feel safe? Martin Signo,
Speaker 1: M Boy Meets World. Were you pumped to see Leon
Speaker 1: Norris on our set? Yes? Yes? Um dock tails? Oh
Speaker 1: so good? What else did you think about it? Having
Speaker 1: not watched it for you know, fifteen years? What jumped out?
Speaker 1: How thin everybody was, any all of you? I just
Speaker 1: you know, it's so funny. I think every show I've
Speaker 1: shot I just felt fat, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you go back to see an episode you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was clearly out of my mind. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I think that that's just like an
Speaker 1: actor thing that happens. But yeah, that was one of
Speaker 1: you're like hot older brother energy, like the mill you
Speaker 1: run on that base, like barking orders at all the
Speaker 1: other dudes. Like it was such macho energy. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you see it as anything other than like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm awesome, check this out. Okay. I mean you know,
Speaker 1: you know, as an actor, I think that no matter
Speaker 1: how good you do, you still feel like, oh I
Speaker 1: could have done it better. I could have done this. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: nobody tells you when you decide you love storytelling that
Speaker 1: what you're really signing up for is a lifetime of
Speaker 1: beating yourself up. But I think what's interesting is in this,
Speaker 1: in this stage of our lives, we're all talking about it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh cool, you two all right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not by myself. This is nice. We're all a
Speaker 1: little crazy together. I appreciate gen z and and this
Speaker 1: whole new self help arab era. I've learned so much
Speaker 1: about every mental disorder. Oh my god. In the same way,
Speaker 1: I just know that that I have a d h D.
Speaker 1: I was like, how you I've literally went through my
Speaker 1: whole life not knowing this. Do you know how many
Speaker 1: problems I could have solved in my in my life,
Speaker 1: how much more self confidence I would have had? How
Speaker 1: just so much that I'm like, I cannot believe I
Speaker 1: lost so much time yep, not knowing that this was
Speaker 1: my problem. I want you to do with a thirty
Speaker 1: second drawing for Drama Queens so we can post it
Speaker 1: on our Instagram. Ernest, Yeah, yes, can I make a request? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what No. I want. I want you to make
Speaker 1: us a piece of art in thirty seconds to one.
Speaker 1: I'm seriously, I'm going to do this literally the minute
Speaker 1: we and I'm going I'm gonna send it to you
Speaker 1: guys immediately. What's going on with you? Dude? Did you
Speaker 1: I'm cyberstalking you? You know? Please come on? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I just had a baby. Girl. She's
Speaker 1: so graduated, she's too much, but she's but she is
Speaker 1: she is so beautiful. We we truly have been like
Speaker 1: scrolling through your Instagram and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at this baby. Yeah, you're done for McKim didn't Payton,
Speaker 1: that's crazy? Oh my god. I have the best idea ever. Okay, Okay, Ernest,
Speaker 1: you do art, okay, and I want you to explain
Speaker 1: more of your art thing. But you, guys, I saw
Speaker 1: in Star News today because I still get the newspaper
Speaker 1: back in Wilmington's that they are commissioning a mural in
Speaker 1: downtown Wilmington's in that BISU Theater alleyway, and they're like,
Speaker 1: we want people to submit their designs for this big
Speaker 1: mural that's gonna get painted in town because there's no
Speaker 1: murals in in downtown Wilmington's and they want that. And
Speaker 1: so here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking big brother Derek
Speaker 1: is the right person for this game. And then we
Speaker 1: can all go to like open the mural. We could
Speaker 1: do a ribbon cutting because it's in an alley. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Okay, we go yeah, tell okay, so explain
Speaker 1: your art to everyone, because I seriously I cybers talked
Speaker 1: the out of you. Er. I'm just like going through
Speaker 1: all of your posts on Instagram, like so cool. It's
Speaker 1: me pursuing that edgier side of myself. I started making
Speaker 1: things about poverty. I was doing that for a bit,
Speaker 1: and then I started to feel like that was very
Speaker 1: cliche but I mean, I know you guys have seen
Speaker 1: what's been going on in the United States lately, so um,
Speaker 1: a lot of people struggling, and I think I was
Speaker 1: in New York and I was just seeing so much
Speaker 1: of that and I just wanted to capture some of it.
Speaker 1: Um and just I think, just keep busy, just keep working.
Speaker 1: I think lately I've been making a lot of films.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm working on a feature film right now. And cool.
Speaker 1: I love these creative outlets though, because there's a part
Speaker 1: of me that thinks that big brother Derek is probably
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. You know, a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends who got out of the military really needed career
Speaker 1: paths and other directions when they got out. And so
Speaker 1: watching you paint Peyton's bedroom in this episode, I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course, our brothers and artists they have this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I love that. It's a great outlet, great,
Speaker 1: great for emotional um expression, just trying to find a
Speaker 1: way to process. It's about yeah, yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that's what the character of Derek is like pushing in
Speaker 1: your arc Because we have these little kids on our show,
Speaker 1: like bad things keep happening to all of us. We
Speaker 1: get shot at school. Parents die. We get dumped, you know,
Speaker 1: like bad stuff key, but we get dumped in that category.
Speaker 1: We get dumped the world spectrum, but none of us
Speaker 1: are processing it until this like older Lewins comes along
Speaker 1: and it's like all kids are nuts, Like you have
Speaker 1: to do the work, do your work, and that's important. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked about that actually, Earnest in one of our
Speaker 1: last episodes, watching your performance and what real Derek offers
Speaker 1: to Peyton. We've we've spoken a lot on this podcast
Speaker 1: about how these kids go through these traumatic experiences. Nobody
Speaker 1: sends them to therapy, nobody, nobody helps them to Hillary's
Speaker 1: point process. And weirdly, you know, the grown ups who
Speaker 1: were writing these storylines would would write a lot of jokes,
Speaker 1: Like Lucas says in the last episode to Peyton, you
Speaker 1: know when you guys have a moment and Derek is,
Speaker 1: you know, has his wall up, Lucas goes, well, I
Speaker 1: like the other Derek better, and it's like the other
Speaker 1: Derek is literally a rapist. Let's not make jokes about this.
Speaker 1: And and what's so cool is that, even though your
Speaker 1: arc was not as long as we all would have liked,
Speaker 1: you showed up and you grounded it in this way.
Speaker 1: That really did say for the first time, you have
Speaker 1: to deal with this, you have to face it. You
Speaker 1: you as a character, like you know, even though you know,
Speaker 1: Hillary was like, oh my god, I hated the boxing.
Speaker 1: I think I looked ridiculous, but that was it. It
Speaker 1: was that moment. But you made her get in her body. Hilarious.
Speaker 1: It was so bad. Kept trying, We just kept trying
Speaker 1: to perfect the like punch punch, punching in the breakdown,
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god. We like to ask a lot
Speaker 1: of our friends who come on the show, like, where
Speaker 1: do you think your character is today? M hmm. Definitely
Speaker 1: not in the military my sense. Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I immediately went to carpentry. Maybe it's because in the episode,
Speaker 1: but just something I don't know. I get the vibe,
Speaker 1: something that's very relaxing but also engaging. Right, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. Okay, we're going to spin a wheel. Because
Speaker 1: this is a high school oriented show, we like to
Speaker 1: do superlatives most likely too, did you have superlatives at
Speaker 1: your high school? I couldn't tell you in your yearbook?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, here we go. Who's most likely to not
Speaker 1: forget your birthday? Who so so Earnest. We do this
Speaker 1: for a character on One Tree Hill, and we do
Speaker 1: it for one of the cast members in real life. Okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough because you weren't with us for super long,
Speaker 1: so you didn't get to know all of us very well.
Speaker 1: But you can take your best guests. Um, who is
Speaker 1: it to not forget to remember? I guess to remember
Speaker 1: your birthday? The person. That's the way of saying it.
Speaker 1: That's seven am text. The character I would say, Peyton brother.
Speaker 1: Um the actor, I would say, Sophia, Yeah, no, you
Speaker 1: you're you're you seem like a very precise artist. She's organized.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We need to know what Ernest real birthday is.
Speaker 1: What's your birthday? Is your birthdad? It's that's right, because
Speaker 1: we're all in July. I remember now, Okay, here we
Speaker 1: are all right. Happy birthday, brother, You're stuck with us forever.
Speaker 1: We're going to get text messages. Hopefully we get to
Speaker 1: see you in person soon, yes, and I hope so too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to our artwork. Maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: that tattooed. No pressure, right, literally, but a lifetime of
Speaker 1: appreciation gets Lee earnest. So good to see you all.
Speaker 1: I had a blast shooting those episodes. You guys are awesome. Seriously,
Speaker 1: thanks Bud, We're happy to see you. Bye bye, I
Speaker 1: love Why did they get to keep him? Like? Why
Speaker 1: wasn't he at Peyton's wedding? Why wasn't the things? I
Speaker 1: don't know? I know, Well, I'm straight glad we got
Speaker 1: today in our in our parallel universe version of One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill, he stayed forever forever. Alright, guys, Next week,
Speaker 1: next guys, Oh, next week we got season four episode nine,
Speaker 1: some you give away. They all sound so spooky this season.
Speaker 1: I'm like, after every single one we read, I want
Speaker 1: to go done, done, done, don't I don't know why?
Speaker 1: Al Right, Well, let the dreaded too. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next week. Bye bye bye, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't
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