WEBVTT - What is geocaching? 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:16.319 from House Stuff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.200 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always is 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.959 Charles W. Chuck Bryant. How you doing? Put some fruit 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.640 juice in there? So, Chuck, you are smelling your hand 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.200 a little bit ago? What's wrong with you? It was 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:35.239 just I smell like my wife's handmade artists in soap. Yeah. Yeah, yes, 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.760 she's having a grand opening. Love your Mama dot COM's 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.199 now going to have a brick and mortar store. Yeah, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.000 very proud of her, and you and Jerry are coming 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.879 to the grand opening, uh tomorrow, and uh yeah, I'm 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.960 looking forward to the rosemary garlic chicken wings Chef Charles 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.600 is going to be made. They are delicious. I'll report 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.640 back to all of you s Y s K listeners 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.760 and just whether or not they are delicious. I wouldn't 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.880 take Chuck's word for it, Okay, Um, So Chuck, you 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.840 know we're talking about today? Yes, actually, let me throw 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.720 this out. This is totally unrelated. Um and it's uh 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.560 just too interesting to not mention I was talking to 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.280 Ben Bolan, evil mad creator of stuff they don't want 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.720 you to know, soon to be released hopefully hopefully, uh, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.559 and he was telling me he just found out that 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:24.320 the average house price in Detroit right now eleven and 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.520 a half thousand dollars. Really and you just this has 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.280 nothing to do with what we're doing, you know, but 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.240 just can you that boggles the mind. Yeah, that's really cheap. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.200 So anyway, after this, we're moving to Detroit. Okay, okay, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.559 instead of Detroit housing prices, we are actually talking about 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.039 geo cashing, right, yes. And I want to go ahead 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.480 and say that this has been off requested by many 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.080 many people, geo catchers, I guess, and uh, I just 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.279 want to apologize and say I didn't save all your names, 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.920 especially the dude last week. I had a guy that 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.760 we emailed back and forth like three or four times 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.400 in a few hours, and he was actually geo cashing. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.400 Why he was writing me and listening to our podcast 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.120 on his iPhone while he was geo cashing. Think that 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.160 gets things done. So he kind of feel whenever someone 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.799 says they listened to us in India when they went 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.440 on their trip or when they did this I always 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.120 feel like we're kind of brought along, and I always 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.320 thank people for bringing us along. Yeah, instead, we're actually 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.359 stuck here in the studio. Apparently we also cure homesickness. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.000 We've gotten several emails and uh from Atlantins. Yes, and um, 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.280 I've heard firsthand stories about people who were sitting in 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.400 airports in India. Um, who would who were who was 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.919 just totally homesick? And let's listen to our podcast and 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.320 was cured. That's nice or comforted at least, all right, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.360 geo Cashing? Yeah, yeah, you ready, Yeah, I'm ready. All right, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:48.120 let's do it. Let me give you a little background info, chuck. Um, Actually, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:54.600 geo Cashing can be traced directly back to Korean Airlines 0:02:54.639 --> 0:03:00.359 Flight double O seven. Really in this commercial airline, Um, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:05.800 this commercial plane was flying I guess in Asia and 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:10.600 trapes into inadvertently traps into Soviet airspace and was shot 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.600 down by the Soviets. I remember that. So as a result, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.280 President Reagan said, Okay, we've got this kind of GPS 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.160 system that the Air Force has been using for a while, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.840 but we need to make this commercially available so that 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.120 this doesn't happen again. Really, so they did. Reagan started 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.079 the whole thing. Reagan did. It was well, it was 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.800 already in effect, but he made sure that this program 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.800 really went to town. UM. So they started launching more 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:43.119 and more satellites UH for Global Positioning system right uh. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:49.560 And they eventually it became available to the public U 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.360 two airlines, to whoever wanted it. But there was a 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.720 little glitch, a purposeful glitch in the system. I did 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.360 not know about this until I read up on this 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.040 sounds kind of selective availability. Yeah, basically, they they intentionally 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.800 made the GPS systems available to the public um off 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.800 base by a little bit, by about three three hundred feet, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.880 because they wanted the military, US military to have the 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.200 most advanced system to pinpoint a location, and they wanted 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.440 to get you know, your average Joe just in the 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.719 general area. And so if you're a Korean pilot, you 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.840 you give yourself a three hundred foot buffer when you're 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.120 flying along you know, Soviet air space. Easy enough, right, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:36.280 But if you, you know, are the manufacturer of onboard 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.880 GPS system a car, you don't want your customers going 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.400 you know, Tom, Tom, You're a stupid Like every time 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.800 you ask a UH for directions right right, So there 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.479 was a certain limitation by that three hundred feet because 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.520 you know, turn right three feet ago. It's not not 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.800 very helpful. But President Clinton comes along and sees the 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.719 value of GPS. I like this stuff. Yeah, that's exactly 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.520 what he said, and he liked it enough so that 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.200 he issued an executive order saying we need to get 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.520 selective availability offline within ten years. That was right. It 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.640 was supposed to be two oh six, but for us 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.960 it happened a lot six years sooner. Right. So, now 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.479 everybody thinks Tom Tom's as smart as he can be, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.080 and this hobby comes about almost immediately because you could 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:27.039 pinpoint location. Strickland says, he wrote this article between six 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.960 and not bad. Right. So, so this whole um wealth 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.039 of handheld GPS devices hit the market, and right off 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.400 the bat, a guy named Dave Olmer decides to test 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.160 how well his works. I don't know what model he had, yeah, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.480 by hiding uh an item and going and marking its location, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.240 then leaving and coming back and see if he could 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.919 redirect him back there and a test. He left a 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.400 little little box and went on a website of his 0:05:54.600 --> 0:06:01.440 and um said, here is here's a box. Here's the coordinates. Uh. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.200 And I think he wrote very famously, take some stuff, 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.520 leave some stuff. He put a couple of trinkets in there. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.520 That's really what started the whole thing. And not only 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.039 did it start it, it's pretty much the same way 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:15.120 nine years later, like this initial geo cash hunt that 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.679 he created. Uh, it immediately created the model that people 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.080 follow today. Well, it's a good model if it ain't broke. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.360 You know, it's a pretty basic, simple thing. It's fun. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.280 I just realized we haven't actually said what geo cashing is, right, Yeah, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.440 I we should probably get geo cashing is when you 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.680 use your GPS too. It's basically like a treasure hunt. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.800 People will leave these cashes, um, you know, hidden in 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.599 a location, and you and with the coordinates and you 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.680 get from a website, let's say, and then you go 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.320 and try and find it, and they have little trinkets 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.240 in there you can take. Then you leave your own 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.760 little trinket, and it's just like a big treasure hunt 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.880 that anyone can participate in. Sure, anybody who has access 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.400 to the internet, GPS receiver and very very important a 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.920 topographical map. Yeah, that would help um. And actually also strict. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.920 I have to say Jonathan Strickland, who is one of 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.839 our colleagues and co hosts of tech Stuff, who you 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.360 know from Necronomicon. Yeah, yeah, that came out. Um he 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.800 he makes an excellent point. You want to make sure 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.600 that the map that you are using was made after 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:22.840 night and the reason being is in that year we 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.720 switched over the type of data that's used to create 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.040 maps or to position people, so they're The World Geodetic 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.200 System of nineteen eighty four was the new convention for 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.760 creating position and creating maps that's used for GPS. All 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.800 that stuff took. It replaced the North American datam System 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.600 of So if you have a map that was made 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:51.560 between nineteen twenty seven and three, your topographical exactly the 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.000 year before man that was a monumental year. Um, your 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.320 your map and your your GPS receiver aren't gonna match, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.000 and you can run into some problems because your GPS 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.360 receiver might just say you're getting warmer go in this direction. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.560 It may have a compass. If you don't have one 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.880 that you can upload maps onto, then you're not gonna 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:12.840 know that you're about to fall off a cliff or 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.520 something because you're staring at your your receiver, right, so 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.880 your little topo map in your compass will let you know, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.960 hey there's a river crossing or like you said, cliff 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:27.320 ahead danger. So Dave Olmer hid the first geo cash 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.440 and a guy named Mike Tigue was the first to 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.600 find it. Actually surprisingly there it's almost like this this hobby, 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.120 this um pastime or I don't know what you'd refer 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.400 to it as a game. Sport. Sure, I don't know 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.959 about sport. Well, there's hiking involved a lot of times. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.800 I don't know about sport. But so Olmer hides this 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.559 and within I think three days, two people found it, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.920 and yet two people independently of each other. Right, so 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.319 it was stimmering right into the surface that cash was 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.120 just waiting a half. It was a market for it, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.920 all right. So they called it GPS stash hunt at 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.360 beginning now, which is a little clumsy compared to geo cashing. Yeah, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.840 and everyone else will not everyone, but someone at some 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.160 point suggested, is that Matt Stum Yeah, he credits came 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.600 up with the coining the phrase or the term. It's catchy. 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:17.320 It's Casey's cashy. Uh, So you've got your GPS receiver, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.199 you've got your topographical map check. I assume you're probably 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.600 wearing wooly socks. Check. Um, what else? What else do 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.560 you need? Well? They advised to take things like flashlight 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:33.120 and bug spray, sunblock, um, hiking boots, water, that kind 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.040 of thing, extra batteries. We should say all this is 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.000 to assume that you actually want to go on a 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.680 geo cash hunt, right, and you're not just sitting around 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.319 your house listening to it. We should also say there's 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.959 several websites dedicated to this hobby, and that's where you 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.320 want to go to start finding out locations for a 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.600 cash right. Um, there'll be links or else they'll be 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:57.280 a list of different cashes their coordinates. Geocashing dot com 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.800 is the main one. I think. Yeah, and you want 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.120 to unless you're just really adventurous, you probably want to 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.240 pick something sort of close to you on your first try, 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.000 at least to kind of break your cashing hobby in. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.120 And some people hide their cashes as Strickling put it 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:18.880 with um uh sadistic glee. Yeah, there seems to be 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.040 that seems to be part of it is uh, because 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.439 it's no fun if it's just sitting right there in 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.520 the middle of the trailhead. Well, not only that, it's 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.880 probably some schmo who doesn't know what's going on and 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.160 be like, oh, look something, I don't know what this is. Right. Well, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.120 that leads us to an important point when if you 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.280 are stashing a cash a cache, why that was such 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:40.240 a problem with that. My wife's gonna make it only 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:41.560 is gonna make fun of me because I do mess 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.679 up that word a lot. She thinks I'm an idiot. Um. So, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.120 like if your average hiker happens upon this box full 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.160 of Santana c ds and they're thinking, wow, I can 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.440 just take the c d someone left these, this is awesome. Yeah. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.400 Or or drugs no, no, no, no, that's one of 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.760 the things that you are not supposed to put in 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:06.719 these acacias because it's a it's a family friendly activity, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.240 and they don't they don't want to sully it with 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.480 the likes of illegal drugs and such about alcohol, keep 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.760 it clean, no no, no, no. Ok So, so Santana 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.400 c d's is pretty much what you're gonna find in 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.000 a Geokay, well they did. He did say c d 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.160 s and d d d s or you know, handmade 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.199 trinkets that you don't want it to be too expensive 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.240 because you don't want to sink a lot of money 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.840 into it. But whatever, you should if you take something, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.400 you should leave something. You don't have to take something. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.079 But if I think you said if you don't take 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.960 anything or leave anything, you should write in the log 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.480 book that's contained and inside the cash and ellen, yeah 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.439 took took nothing or left nothing, took nothing, but yeah, yeah, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.720 um one thing that you're going to find in any 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.640 geo cash and Chuck you were saying like you should 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.800 put an explanation and maybe a note. Uh. Strickland also 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.800 recommended actually labeling it like this is a geo cash, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.199 here's my email or here's my phone number. Because I 0:11:58.240 --> 0:11:59.520 don't know if you said or not you don't want 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.560 to cause a pain an well, now I didn't mention. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.200 Some people geo cash in cities and actually um and 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.719 in New Hampshire, I can't remember what town it was. Um, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.920 a geo cash that was hidden in a supermarket caused 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.439 a panic. Yeah, Portsmouth, you know Post nine eleven. People 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.360 see little metal boxes someplace that shouldn't be they're going 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.599 to be like, well, there's a bomb stuck to the 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.080 underside of like an escalator rail. Sure, yeah, exactly, especially 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.080 if it blinks or something. And some nerds, some nerve 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.160 is like, what a great hiding spot, and then all 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.400 of a sudden the cops are, you know, tackling them. Yeah, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.360 um chuck. As I was saying, the one thing that 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.040 you're going to find in any geo cash is um 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.040 a log book very important. Yeah, because you want to 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.120 It's sort of like a wedding thing that you signed 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.600 when you go to a wedding. You want to say 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.920 that you were in any kind of guest book, wedding, funeral, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.360 bed and breakfast. You want to add your notes, like 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.480 what you found or what your experience was, this was cool. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.600 They some of them have disposable cameras in them, and 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.280 what you're supposed to do there is take a picture 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.240 of yourself and put the camera back in there right. Uh. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:07.600 And some people actually like to um see if they 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.439 can get based on that whole um taking something and 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.320 leaving something. They like to see if they can get 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:18.960 their trinkets across country. Yes, Josh, that is what's that 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.839 called hitchhiker cash. And uh, if if you their instructions 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.240 on how to get the thing across country. The geo 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.840 cashers take great pride and playing along and trying to 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.640 get the st tannas c e D from Atlanta to 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.200 Los Angeles, let's say, right. And some people also have 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.920 coins made with some sort of I D on it. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.320 They're called geo coins. It's a type of hitchhiker cash 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.480 um and it's uh, basically, you find the coin, you 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.679 took it, you too, you put it somewhere else, and 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.360 you're leaving. You're posting these on site so somebody can 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.240 go on and see that their coins made it from 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.720 you know, Topeka to Colorado Springs so far, and they're like, oh, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.000 that's getting close. Yeah, I think I'd love the spirit 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.000 of this whole thing. It's really I'm gonna try this. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.120 Actually I've never done it. Santana heavy, drug free traveling 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.440 spirit of geo cash does not get any captures your imagination, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.440 doesn't it. Yes, it does. We should also say that 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.319 if you were going to plant and start your own 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.160 little geo cash game, that you want to stay away 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:25.400 from private land. First of all, Yeah, there's actually some 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.880 public officials are aware of geocashing and not everybody's hip 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.840 with it. Technically, Um, the entire state of New Hampshire 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.200 is one example. Well they're actually being too outlaw correct. Yeah, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.400 and uh I know national parks it's not allowed. Um, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.200 some state parks it is allowed. But they say the 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.960 whole spirit of the thing is to be respectful in 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.160 the environment, um, not cause a mess, not damage anything. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.720 And it's really important to geocashers too that they're looked 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.040 at in a favorable light. Yeah, they want to be 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.160 looked at as cooperative and helpful. UM. So basically, if 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.320 you're hiding a g O cash, you want to kind 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.680 of pull your head out of the game and actually 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.080 really kind of look around, right, not just look for 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.440 a hiding place, but look at the impact that geo 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.760 cashier's who come to look for your cash are going 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.240 to have on this area. So you know, you don't 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.960 want to put it in that's a good one. UM. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.920 Historic and archaeological sites, you don't want to place those. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.760 They're um just basically anywhere where a lot of people tramping. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.360 I guess it's probably smart to assume that there's going 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.720 to be a lot of hunters looking for it, UM, 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.600 that they're not going to really have a terrible impact 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.960 on this area, right, I would put one in a 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.560 tree stand, a deer hunting tree stand and see what 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.120 that did for you in the middle of deer season. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.600 Sure smart, So Chuck, Is it true or not that 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.960 you will be murdered if you remove a cash? Not true? 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.080 But not cool? What about a spanking? You might get 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.560 spanked that that initial guy who started he might he 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.560 might track it down on geo, spank you, but convert. Also, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.960 you want to maintain your cash, right Like if if 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.400 you get a couple of logs of people saying I 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.280 couldn't find this thing no matter what, that's a bad sign. Yeah, 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.480 it means you should go out and look at your cash. Yeah, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.200 you want to be clever about where you hide up. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.680 Not too clever or somebody may have, you know, walked 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.840 off with it. You want to also keep an eye 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.920 on your log book because if it gets filled up, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.560 you want to replace it with another one. Want to 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.040 bag it? You want to bag everything and I can 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.280 tag it zip block so it doesn't get a rained on. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.320 You want to double bag the log book absolutely, leave 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.400 a fact leave a pin and a pencil just in case. Uh, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.720 these guys and gals don't bring there's along because the 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.040 log book is the most important part. Actually this the 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.680 second well, I'd say it's a tie. The other most 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.440 important part is that you logged the stuff on the 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.360 website as well when you get home, right, so everyone 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.600 else knows what's going on, and the game continues. It does, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.840 and this podcast continues, Chuck, because there's actually variations on 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.600 geo cashing. This I thought was really cool. There's you know, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.600 the straight up geo cash, which we've been talking king about. Um, 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.800 there's also multi cashes, which are basically there's a series 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.000 of cases which are related to one another. So you 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.680 go to one cash and inside instead of Santana c 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.639 d s or you know, Dare to keep kids off 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:21.960 drug stickers. Um, there are coordinates to another one. It's 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.439 like a real treasure hunt. Yes, it is, minus the 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.280 treasure of course. Yeah, well it depends on how many 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.719 Santana c ds plus they say. The treasure is is 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.080 in the experience itself. It's not so much about the trinkets. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.000 Like I said, in the spirit of goodness and giving, 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.920 I see that you're put out by that you want 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.920 some money or something. There's also letter the letter box 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.120 hybrid explain that. So that's kind of like a combination 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.280 between uh, straight up geo cashing and a type of 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.239 treasure hunting which is letter boxing. So it's it's like 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.840 a multi cash, but you have to solve puzzles or 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.040 figure out hints or clues to the location along with 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.080 these coordinates, which sounds like fun and the coordinate maybe 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.720 a starting point or is that a mystery cash that 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.920 I'm thinking of, Yes, that is a mystery cash, it's 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.000 not mistaken. Well, it was pretty close to the letterbox hybrid. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.200 And then there's a virtual cash with that I think 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.720 kind of stinks because there's no lute involved. That's just 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.560 the location that you're in in in it for the 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.800 spirit of cashing, well, for the spirit of that and 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:33.120 uh ok o yo maa Tana c D Yah, Yeah, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.200 I know what I'm getting you for Christmas, santanna' cd. Yeah. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.639 And Josh you you mentioned hints and uh and for 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.359 the puzzle. That's not limited to just the letter box 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.760 or the mystery cash. It's a lot of times you'll 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.800 you'll want to include little hints on your website to 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.240 to get people there. It's like not only coordinates. Yeah, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.640 so Chuck, if somebody wants to go ahead and get 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:00.360 into this. Where do you start? Uh? Well, I guess 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.600 you would want to pick out a location, a general location, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.240 And like we said, since you have to manage your 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.720 your little stash here, then you want to have it 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.600 kind of close by so it's manageable and easy to 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.920 get to. You don't want to have to manage something 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.080 that you have to scale, like a fifty ft wall 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.680 to get to, unless you're that dude, knock yourself out. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.240 That's right, Chuck. But also you want to start by 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.879 buying the GPS receiver. Right, that's a good place. And 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.520 you don't want to just say, hey, I bought my 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.000 GPS receiver, I'm gonna start geo cashing. You want to 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.600 test it out a little bit first, And how do 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.160 you do that, big boy? Well, I guess you would 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.680 go to a spot huh ping where you are, right, 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.760 I know it's called pinging or what we're gonna call 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.800 it ping ping where you are, and then leave and 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.600 then see if you can get back there using the GPS. Right. Yeah, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.080 that's pretty easy. I'd probably do it more than once too, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.760 with a couple of different locations. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.040 but once you get started, then you can start a 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.640 few hunts, maybe hide your own, meet some cool people. Yeah, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.640 spend a bunch of money on disposable cameras, say Tannasy's yeah, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.000 it's wide open. Uh we need I guess we need 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.959 to cover the lingo real quick too. Alright, So if 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:09.719 you're out there and you see these letters, like if 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.520 you're a Texter or you don't know l O L 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.439 means you'd be mighty confused. Everyone keeps saying law to you. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.480 So uh c I t O means cash in trash out. 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.240 And that's one of the tenants is that you should 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.640 kind of like a hikers take only pictures, leave only 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.800 footprints mantra. So you should like pick up trash along 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.840 the way and take it with you. That's one. You 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.399 want to name another one or you want me to 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.800 do all these well I already talked about TNF TNLN okay, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.439 took nothing nothing. There's f t F, which is a 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.200 big one that's first to find. And if you're the 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.280 first one to uh define the stash, that's pretty cool. 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:50.280 I can tell you a name for us geo muggles. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.280 If just people who don't geo cash. Yeah, so I'd 0:20:53.320 --> 0:21:00.000 say like nine percent of the global population or geo muggles, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.720 your muggles. True and a spoiler and just like you 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.879 would suppose is a comment that reveals the location on 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.320 like a website or something. Yeah, and he would want 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.359 to do that. So a geo muggle would do that. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:17.280 Like any good underground hobby, it has its lingo, it 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.320 has its websites. But like you were saying, it's family 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.399 friendly and um, there's just kind of a cool spirit 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.520 to it and it's it struck me as very open. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.160 I think geo cashing is one of the more friendly 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.040 UM hobbies around. Yeah, anytime you start a community like this, 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.080 like the the hash runs that people do, it's cool. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.320 You know, it's something that that people can take part 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.240