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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie de Cherco.

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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Henderson, and this is a film podcast.

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Speaker 2: Just want to let everybody know how's going on.

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Speaker 3: It's going on right, Yeah, yeah, it's going all right.

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Speaker 3: I'm worried about I'm worried about how much I laugh

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Speaker 3: when I talk to people.

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Speaker 2: What I don't know. I just ever since we started this.

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Speaker 3: Podcast, I spend so I've spent more time this year

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Speaker 3: listening to my own my own voice than I have

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Speaker 3: in my entire life, all the forty three years leading

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Speaker 3: up to this combined. And I feel like I just

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Speaker 3: I laugh a lot because I find a lot of

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Speaker 3: things funny and humorous.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, We're making.

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Speaker 3: This podcast circuit and I just feel like I'm too giggly.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I mean, first of all, people love your laugh.

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Speaker 1: We get fan mail about your laugh, so it's never

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Speaker 2: It's not a problem for me either.

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Speaker 1: Because I like because it usually means if you're laughing,

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Speaker 1: then I'm being funny or something we're doing is funny,

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Speaker 1: and that is tons of validation that I love. But

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Speaker 1: I understand, I understand what you mean, because yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a lot. Doing a weekly podcast and having

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Speaker 1: to edit yourself, you know, multiple times a week sometimes

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Speaker 1: is very hard. And there's like all these little things

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Speaker 1: that I have found about myself that I'm like, why

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Speaker 1: do I say that?

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Speaker 2: Why do I do that? I joke around.

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Speaker 1: We joked around the other week about how I say

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Speaker 1: thought experiment a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then another.

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Speaker 1: Friend of mine pointed out to me that I say simply.

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Speaker 1: I simply say simply too much.

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Speaker 2: So I know you mean see there, I go. No,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want you to think that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: is it.

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Speaker 1: Because we've been doing a lot of other people's podcasts lately,

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Speaker 1: and now we're comparing ourselves.

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Speaker 3: I think, Sally, I think it's like, oh man, I

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Speaker 3: am a giggly and I'm an inappropriate laugher.

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Speaker 2: I know that about myself. Like you've be into the

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Speaker 2: movies with me. I laugh all the way.

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Speaker 3: I laugh when people get murked, like I just it's

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Speaker 3: it's bad.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome though. That's what we were talking on.

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Speaker 1: We recorded an episode of Lady to Lady and I

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Speaker 1: told a story about how this is like the origin

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Speaker 1: of our fine romance. But Basically, I was talking about

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Speaker 1: how I knew I wanted to do a film podcast

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Speaker 1: with you because when we would go to the movies

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Speaker 1: that you were the only other person who laughed when

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Speaker 1: I laughed, and it was usually when nobody else in

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Speaker 1: But I understand again, I understand your thoughts, but I

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Speaker 1: want to say that I think it's lovely that you

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Speaker 2: I really do. There's nothing you know me like.

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Speaker 3: I'm raised on horror because of my grandma's my grandma's inappropriateness.

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Speaker 2: I don't like gore.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of gory horror, but I love

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Speaker 3: We could post it if you want, but I have

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Speaker 3: a video of me. I was watching Hannibal and I

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Speaker 2: It makes me laugh.

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Speaker 1: Listen sometimes like our stress response is set off like

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Speaker 2: Just remember it was. It was right outside of a kmart.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I remember that, but my friend

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Speaker 1: Danielle just like rear ended somebody and we get out

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Speaker 2: That's literally it was all over the place.

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Speaker 1: It looked like somebody had just like barfed it all

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Speaker 3: Couldn't get your daughter she's high and has been an accident,

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Speaker 3: and You're like, I'm not, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm just in shock. I I've just been.

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Speaker 2: Up crying hysterically. That's me, I swear to God, like

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Speaker 1: So I find this sorrow later I get there, but

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Speaker 3: The absurdity, the absurdity of it is part of it.

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Speaker 2: It's absurdity exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You should listen. They're great. We also went to the movies.

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Speaker 3: There was about a week straight where we went and

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I was like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is dope, Like we can have real human

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Speaker 2: And we were crying, and then we would get out

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Speaker 3: And I remember specifically that one of them was Wrinkling.

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Speaker 1: Time, Yes, which we saw the Grove and I remember

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Speaker 2: I remember to remember the guy I'm back.

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Speaker 3: I was the guy.

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Speaker 2: There's a guy at the back of us.

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Speaker 3: And when Oprah first comes on the screen, it was

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Speaker 2: Yes. There is no other reaction. Really, if you think

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Speaker 3: But I like, you know, I am I'm in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, though, I'm not gonna lie. I fucking love

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Speaker 1: It's darkly. It's that illusion like you're you know, in

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Speaker 2: Because maybe and I'm back of my mind.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking I want people to be like that woman

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Speaker 3: Know, should we call someone? What was the last movie

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Speaker 2: Do you remember? Oh, the last movie where I cried? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh, in the theater, because I was about to say

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Speaker 1: I cried at your movie like two hours ago.

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Speaker 2: In the theater.

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Speaker 1: God, well, you know, my last movie that I saw

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Speaker 1: I don't know, to be honest, like, I definitely know.

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Speaker 2: And I saw together that we cried at was at Astra.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah and so, and I definitely remember we both

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Speaker 2: But God, before that, I would have to like, wow.

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Speaker 3: Or do you even remember a movie where you were

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Speaker 3: in by yourself in the theater and just cried, Like,

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Speaker 3: what's a memorable crying moment for you?

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Speaker 2: In the theater? I mean, I had to say that

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Speaker 1: But I saw I think it was what I saw

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Speaker 1: Tree of Life, which is the Taris Maleck movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was by myself.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on with me that day,

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Speaker 1: but I was balling. I was bawling alone, and I

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Speaker 2: I was I was like exhausted. I feel you.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there was I remember when I went

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Speaker 2: Like, ugh, what if it was john Wick four? Oh okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yo, we get we picked the wrong movie times. Why

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: Damn, he's got to get on our level. We're too

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Speaker 1: This episode is about male friendship or groups of men,

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Speaker 3: Do the boys to men act? Do any of them act?

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Speaker 3: It ain't nothing, But.

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Speaker 1: a little bit and apparently it was like a real

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Speaker 1: actual fight where John Borman like lost a few teeth.

442
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: It's it's quite a legend, I have to say, but

443
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: you'll love this part. Essentially, the lead actors in the

444
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: movie got together and we're basically like, we got to

445
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 1: talk to this guy, we got to kick him off

446
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: the set, and they did and so that was like

447
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: a very tense moment for the filming, which, by the way,

448
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: this is one of those movies that has like a

449
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: legendary production history.

450
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Speaker 2: Like it's like one of those movies.

451
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: Where like people were fighting on set and like it

452
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: was being filmed in a very like a very rough terrain,

453
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Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of stories out there about

454
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Speaker 1: the filming of Deliverance, which I think is very fascinating.

455
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: But they figured it out because James Sticky actually does

456
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: have a cameo at the end of the film. He

457
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: plays the shriff. So you know, they figured it out,

458
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Speaker 1: and that's great.

459
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: But when this.

460
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Speaker 1: Movie came out, it was a complete smash, like, it

461
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: made a ton of money, It was nominated for a

462
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Speaker 1: ton of Academy Awards, and James Dicky became very famous,

463
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: as did Georgia.

464
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: By the way, where this movie was filmed.

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Speaker 1: Basically, after Deliverance came out, everybody started flocking.

466
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Speaker 2: To North Georgia. Like people were like wanting to go

467
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Speaker 2: to the woods of North Georgia.

468
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: They got obsessed with like bluegrass music, like that dueling

469
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: banjo song was like on the charts and stuff, and like.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'm sorry, did they watch the.

471
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Speaker 3: Movie, because nothing about this film to me said postcard

472
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Speaker 3: for Vacation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and the funny thing, and this.

474
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Speaker 1: Is even more bizarre, is that there was actually like

475
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Speaker 1: an uptick in canoe rentals. What I mean, it's wild, right,

476
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Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of like it was one of

477
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Speaker 1: those crucial moment, flashpoint type of movies.

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Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah.

479
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Speaker 1: So I will say that this story does take place

480
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Speaker 1: where I am from, which is Georgia. Obviously, you know,

481
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Speaker 1: you might have known that from listening to this podcast.

482
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Speaker 1: But I am from Georgia. I lived there pretty much

483
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: my entire life until about five years ago. And they

484
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: filmed this movie in Rayburn County in North Georgia, which

485
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: is basically like this upper It's like the very upper

486
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Speaker 1: northeast corner kind of where Georgia meets with North Carolina

487
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Speaker 1: and South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's beautiful. Oh it's great.

489
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Speaker 1: They filmed a lot of it at Tallulah Gorge, which

490
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Speaker 1: I've been to many many times. It's like a great

491
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Speaker 1: place to go hiking and camping and swimming if you

492
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Speaker 1: like to go swimming in.

493
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Speaker 2: Rivers and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: And I know, at this point especially there are a

495
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Speaker 1: lot of movies that are filmed in Georgia and that

496
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Speaker 1: are about Georgia that take place in Georgia. But I

497
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Speaker 1: would argue that Deliverance is maybe the most famous and

498
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Speaker 1: the most notorious, which I think I'll get into in

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Speaker 1: just a second.

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Speaker 2: But to give you a rundown of.

501
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Speaker 1: The story, this film is about four adult male friends

502
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: from att that travel up to North Georgia to canoe

503
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: down this remote river before the river is damned by

504
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: the local utilities company because I guess they want to

505
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: do some kind of they want to do hydroelectric power

506
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: or something like that.

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Speaker 2: And the four of these guys, they're real city wise people.

508
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: They have white collar jobs and wives and families, and

509
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: they just want to have this like real rugged men's trip.

510
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: And it's kind of being headed up by Lewis, who

511
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Speaker 1: is the character that's played by Burt Reynolds. And he's

512
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Speaker 1: definitely the most sort of outdoorsy alpha male of the form,

513
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: right Like he he's kind of like a sportsman meets

514
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: survivalist type.

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Speaker 3: Right Yeah. And he's the one. He's the outfit I

516
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: want to talk about. He's the look because let me

517
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: tell you, let's this might be. And Bert Reynolds has

518
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: a history of wild looks if you check out his career, he.

519
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: Certainly does through the ages.

520
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: This look, I contend is his wildest. We're talking about

521
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: high water pants. A comb forward, not a comb over,

522
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: a comb forward middle of the head, let's create some bangs,

523
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: bowl cut it and a rubber vest. This man, how

524
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: is this not something that we're wearing to this day.

525
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: It is a survivalist uniform, but it is also pure

526
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: style with a tough cuff. He's a giant cuff, right,

527
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: giant cuff. He's got a tough cuff. He's got some

528
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: high water show in the whole boot. It is a

529
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: wild look. It took me off guard right away. I

530
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: was like, wow, this, I cannot believe this is not

531
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Speaker 3: the center of the conversation about this film.

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Speaker 2: It seems very sexy for like to me.

533
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: And again, I don't know the function of a rubber vest,

534
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: because here's the thing is it's not I thought at

535
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: first when I first saw this movie, I was like,

536
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Speaker 1: why is he wearing that rubber vest? Is it because

537
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: of it's a life fest? No, he puts on a

538
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: life fest when he gets into the water. This is

539
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: just a rubber vest that's literally like zip down to

540
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: like male cleavage area. And I'm kind of like, well, then,

541
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: what's the like function of this?

542
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: Like, there's no function. It's it's a look. He was

543
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: servant looks on a river. Thank you, servant. Hot looks

544
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: on it, and you know what, so is ed the

545
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: John Voight character because there's a scene in the in

546
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: the canoe when he's leaning back and sipping a beer,

547
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: the zipper of his jumpsuit goes under his balls, which

548
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: just seems like a real fashion, like a real dangerous,

549
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: adventurous move there to be like, I don't know, buddy,

550
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: let's see if you can do it without catching scale.

551
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: Let's do it under the balls.

552
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: This is a little I would love to really hear,

553
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: like a three hour take on the fashion of deliverance.

554
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a big It's something that I

555
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: would love and maybe there is somebody that has written

556
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: about it.

557
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: But ma'am, oh, I'm going to give it to you

558
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: right now. That's what this podcast is now.

559
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: It's all about, like, does a rubber vest zipped to

560
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: show chest hair have a function in the outdoorsy sense?

561
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: Can I go to ARII and get one of these

562
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: right now? Yeah?

563
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: And wear it alone because again, we're on a hot river,

564
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: so you know, there's some sweat. It's not even practical

565
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: for the experience.

566
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Speaker 1: Yes, very I've been beguiled by this outfit for years.

567
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: It's a rubber vest with a collar, by the way,

568
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: a popped collar.

569
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love Bert Riddled so much. I

570
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: don't know if that was his choice, but if it was,

571
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: God bless you, sir. So here's the thing about Lewis, right,

572
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: he's definitely the type of guy that's probably been a

573
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: bass pro shop or two in his life. Right, he's

574
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: real hell been on riding down this river because in

575
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: his mind he feels like the man is coming to

576
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: ruin the natural environment.

577
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: And he makes.

578
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: Multiple speeches about it, and he makes it.

579
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: He makes a big speech about it at.

580
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Speaker 1: The beginning of the movie as the opening credits are going, Okay,

581
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Speaker 1: so that's Lewis. Okay, then you've got Ed, who, like

582
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: Danielle said, is played by John Voyde.

583
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: He's kind of like second fiddle to Lewis.

584
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: You can actually tell he's kind of in awe of

585
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: Lewis because Ed is not the supermacho type at all.

586
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: You know, He's got his mustache and his pipe and

587
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: his little bucket hat. He's kind of like, yeah, he's

588
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: I think, kind of the second fiddle to Lewis in

589
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: the sense that you know Ed is the type of

590
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: guy who owns a crossbow and a knife. He owns it,

591
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: but he still like has trouble with the idea of

592
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: like killing a deer when he's got the shot. You know,

593
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: he's not He's not the agro alpha male.

594
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: That Lewis is. Then you have Bobby, who is played

595
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: by Ned Baby.

596
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: He's more or less joker of the group. He's got

597
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: a big personality. He's always making people laugh. And then

598
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: you have Drew who's played by Ronnie Cox. And I

599
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: would say that Drew is probably the most sensitive out

600
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Speaker 1: of the four. I mean, he wears glasses dead giveaway

601
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: sensitive guy glasses in a guitar. Yes, he carries a

602
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: guitar everywhere he goes. And he's the one that gets

603
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: into the famous banjo duel with the Little Boy at

604
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the film.

605
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Speaker 2: So that's the four guys in the friend group.

606
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: They're obviously like kind of character types and they kind

607
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: of all have a different personality that functions within this

608
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of quad.

609
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: Right.

610
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the one thing that you're told, like right

611
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: off the bat in this movie is that these guys

612
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: are in the country and they are totally out of

613
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Speaker 1: their element. Right, they pull up to the town which

614
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: is nearest to the river that they're going to, and Lewis,

615
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, basically he wants to pay a few of

616
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Speaker 1: the locals to drive their cars down the river to

617
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Speaker 1: the place where they're going to be exiting out of

618
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: the river, you know, in a couple days or whatever

619
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Speaker 1: they're trips over.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just gonna stop you there for a second

621
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Speaker 3: because this is interesting to me. You have two cars,

622
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: and I know that this movie wouldn't exist if they

623
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: did this, But in my mind, you all drive to

624
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: the spot where you want your cars to be at

625
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: the end, take two people, pile them in the truck,

626
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: drive back to the town where you're going to cast

627
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: off or kick off. Then you go get your car.

628
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: You know, you float down, you do your thing for

629
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: a couple of days, your car's there, you drive it

630
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: back to the spot where you got the first car.

631
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: Like they could have, they could have tandem d it. It

632
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: would be a lot more driving and a lot more gas, granted,

633
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: But when the people that you're hiring to drive your

634
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: cars are paying to drive your cars to where you

635
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: want them to be have bullet holes throughout their windows

636
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: and trucks, yes, I would just come up with another

637
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: Plan's all I'm saying.

638
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, I think my take on that is that

639
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: that it sort of adds to the theory that these

640
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: guys are from the big city and they kind of

641
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: see these people as real simple country folk. They don't

642
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: want to do the work right. They don't want to

643
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: they want somebody to drive their car. They want to

644
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: pay them less than what the they offer.

645
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: To do it.

646
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about the people who are in

647
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: this town right off the bat, you know, it's the

648
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: southern stereotypes that the locals are very poor, they got

649
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: deep Southern accents, they seem like disheveled and dirty, they're

650
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: missing teeth.

651
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: There is a notion that they're.

652
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Likely participating in some kind of inbreeding perhaps, And the

653
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: four guys are basically they show up and they're just like, Hey,

654
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: what a bunch of idiots, Like let's you know, let's

655
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: get them to drive our cars down there whatever, and like, you.

656
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: Know, what's up with this and this and that. They're

657
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: kind of making fun of them a little bit, like depending.

658
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: On the guy, Like, you know, obviously Bobby kind of

659
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: has the most to say it because he's trying to

660
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: be funny and stuff.

661
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: And then Lewis just kind of just orders people around, right.

662
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: But Drew is really the only one of them that

663
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: attempts to actually connect with any of them, and that

664
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: he plays guitar with the Little Boy with the Ban show.

665
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: But beyond that, no one's really you know, thinking about

666
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: how to make meaningful connections with these locals.

667
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, or even just be nice to them. Yeah.

668
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's established upfront, is that basically, like, these

669
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: are city guys, and you know, they kind of come

670
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: from they're kind of coming into the scenario with an arrogance,

671
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: which I think maybe explains why they are not driving

672
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: their own cars to the spot.

673
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: I don't understand. That's true, That's very true. They're like,

674
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: what drive it twice? No, let's just simply underpay a

675
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: poor person to do it.

676
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: So they load up in the head to the river,

677
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and you know, at first it's all fun and games.

678
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, they hit the rappets pretty quickly.

679
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you it should be known that

680
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: these actors basically did their own stunts in this movie,

681
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: and it was pretty much a money saving tactic.

682
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: Oh no, did they know they were going to do

683
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: it or they're just like we're on the river today,

684
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: I see you. No.

685
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: I think it's because they didn't want to get insurance

686
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: for the film, and so they're like, these guys will

687
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: do their own stunts. And I don't know all the

688
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: ins and outs of this, but I just know that

689
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: they like they did their own stunts, and they were

690
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: definitely in the river, like they are in the canoes.

691
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: They're in the rapids, and what they're saying while they're

692
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: traversing these rapids is actual and factual, like they are

693
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: doing it. And just as a side note, here's where

694
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about my second accident of the episode.

695
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: So there's part of the movie, and like all these

696
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: rapid scenes, honestly, like, oh my god, they made me

697
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: so so nervous because I was in I was actually

698
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 1: in a small canoeing accident when I was in my twenties. Yes, yes,

699
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I was in Helen, Georgia, which is not too far

700
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: from the Gorge, Okay, And it was my friend's birthday

701
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: and it was me and my two girlfriends and we

702
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: were like, let's go kayaking and canoeing. We've never done

703
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: it before.

704
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: Let's just go up for a day and do it, right, look,

705
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate the hus the hutpu of that so much.

706
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Well, what they don't tell you is that when you

707
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: go to some of these places in the woods or

708
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: like wherever you're at, it doesn't matter. Essentially, they are

709
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: entire businesses that are run by teenagers and they just

710
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: give you a form that says you can't sue us

711
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: if you die, and that's all they do. No instructions. No,

712
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: they don't tell you how to do anything. They're like, oh,

713
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: you don't know how to paddle or anything, or like

714
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: they don't care. It's literally like there's the paddles, there's

715
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: the life vest, and canoes have fun.

716
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: That's it.

717
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: So we we went down the river in Helen and

718
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we were doing. And I was

719
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: in a canoe with a friend of mine and we

720
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: flipped over after hitting this like giant tree stump that

721
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: had like kind of fallen in the river. And there

722
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: was like this little passageway that you're supposed to like

723
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: shimmy around the tree stump and get through, and you know,

724
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: it's all moving not terribly fast, but fast enough to

725
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: where it was terrifying. But basically we flipped over. I

726
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: fell into the river and it was kind of a

727
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: deeper part of the river, and the straps of my

728
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: life fest were caught on the roots underneath the water,

729
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and I was basically drowning my millie. Yeah, and I

730
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: and I had to unbuckle my life fest so I

731
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: could like swim to shore.

732
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: Essentially. That is terrifying.

733
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you're like laughing as you surface and then

734
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: you cried for seven hours later.

735
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I I was laughing. I think

736
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: I laughed because I was like, what am I doing?

737
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: And then I was crying.

738
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: And I actually called my friend who was a doctor

739
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: or he was in medical school at the time, to

740
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: find out if I had to like, you know, I

741
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: swallowed a bunch of river water, and I was afraid

742
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: I had some kind of like protozoa in my belly.

743
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Do I got the zoa or not?

744
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, But honestly, like when I watched especially the first one,

745
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: like the first rapid scene in the movie that it

746
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: takes place not too far into the movie, I could

747
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: feel my chest tightened, like I.

748
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: Was literally like, oh my god, I'm having a panic attack.

749
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: But hey, exposure therapy, there we go. That is terrifying,

750
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: But so back to this movie. Eventually, the two canoes

751
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: they were going down the river and then they split off,

752
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: so John Voight and ned baby Ed and Bobby they

753
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: are on their own and they stop along the bank

754
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: and they encounter these two local men that are in

755
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: the woods, and one of them is carrying a shotgun,

756
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: and again to a verbal argument. And just to kind

757
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: of warn you about what I'm about to talk about,

758
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: I am going to be talking about sexual violence and rape, So.

759
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: Just please fast forward or turn this off now.

760
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: But essentially they get after the argument, the two local

761
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: men tie Ed to a tree and they cut his

762
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: chest with his own knife, and they rape Bobby and

763
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: they were yelling at him to squeal like a pig.

764
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: And it's very harrowing. It's very very very hard to watch, obviously.

765
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: And so then after they are about to force Ed

766
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: to perform oral sex on the other man, when Lewis

767
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: suddenly appears from behind because I guess he saw their

768
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: boat down on the on the bank and he came up.

769
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: And so Louis appears from behind and shoots the man

770
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: who raped Bobby with an arrow from his bow, and

771
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: then the other man with the gun runs off.

772
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: This is This is my first time watching this film,

773
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: but I have heard the cultural references from this film

774
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: for most.

775
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: Of my life.

776
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean it's I've heard the squeal like a pig,

777
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: I've heard you got a real prdue mouth.

778
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: All of that.

779
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: I cannot believe people were able to make jokes about

780
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: this scene. Yeah, like it is truly awful. Yeah, and

781
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: I was just shocked. I was shocked by what I

782
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: was seeing. I was shocked by the scene itself, but

783
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: then thinking about, like how I've heard of it all

784
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: these years, Like how are people able to joke that

785
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: just shows you where how far we've come as a

786
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: culture maybe, or how far we had to come, how

787
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: far we had to go. But I couldn't believe that

788
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: the way that I've heard of this film was in

789
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: such a comical context when what's happening is terrible.

790
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I will get into that in just a second, because

791
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: I do think that there is this weird disconnect between

792
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: what this movie is actually and what the culture kind

793
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: of made it.

794
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's.

795
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Very common, because I myself had heard all of the

796
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: jokes before I saw the movie. I mean, honestly, like,

797
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: who hasn't made that joke while they were like in

798
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the woods somewhere and they were kind

799
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: of they felt something ominous happen, and then they made

800
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: the banjo notes or whatever. Everyone has these references from

801
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: this film, but then when you watch it, you're like,

802
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: holy shit, really, like God, that is so so not

803
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: what I expected. And yeah, it's way more hardcore than

804
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: anybody had ever set me.

805
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: Up for, you know.

806
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: And it also what's strange too, is that I think

807
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: it takes away from this is a very powerful movie. Yes,

808
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: it's a very powerful movie, and I think that to

809
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 3: joke about it in that way not only takes away

810
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: the agency of men who experience sexual violence, which again,

811
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: thankfully culturally were starting to talk about, but I.

812
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: Think it also just puts it puts the.

813
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: Strain and the real hardship that these guys are going

814
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: through in the film. It takes away all of that

815
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: power from that scene as well. I mean, I think

816
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: that because what really floored me is that this scene

817
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: happens pretty early on in the film. Yeah, and it

818
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: keeps going and it does not get better, Like, this

819
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: is not the worst thing that I have in this film,

820
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: and nobody talks about the rest of that, like the

821
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: you know, I just yeah, I know, we're going to

822
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: bring up some other points about it, but that was

823
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: just something that hit me.

824
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I have obviously a lot of

825
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: thoughts about it. And in the film, after Lewis shows

826
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: up and kills the man, they the four men are

827
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: in complete shock and they get into this very intense

828
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: argument on whether or not they want to bring this

829
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: matter to the police or just bury the dead man

830
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: in the ground and not tell anybody. And that scene

831
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: is very interesting to me as well because it goes

832
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: back to what you were saying about sort of the

833
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: attitudes towards males and sexual violence, right, because I think

834
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: that there is a big problem for ned Baby's character

835
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: where he is very ashamed about what happened and he

836
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: doesn't want to tell anybody, he doesn't want to report it,

837
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: you know. And and I also think too that they're

838
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: concerned that the location that they're in is they're not

839
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: going to get a fair trial.

840
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: So there's just a lot going on in this scene.

841
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: And and it's it's long, and and it's very emotional,

842
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: and you know, but it's also just interesting to watch

843
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: people sort of it's it's it's interesting to watch his

844
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: characters talk it out as friends, you know what I mean,

845
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: And everybody but Drew decides to bury the body.

846
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So when.

847
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: They get back into the river, they pretty much almost

848
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: immediately encounter these like very huge rapids again, and suddenly

849
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: Drew falls out of the boat and he's into the sink.

850
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: And it's for some reason that none of us know,

851
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: like the viewer doesn't really know what happened. And so

852
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: from there all hell pretty much breaks loose. Yeah, for

853
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: the most part, I mean, basically, both of the canoes

854
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: crash into the rocks. Everyone has set down the rapids

855
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: where Lewis breaks his leg.

856
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: On the rocks, and it is truly upsetting. It is gnarley.

857
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: It is so gnarly.

858
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: One of the boats cracks, the wooden canoe cracks everything.

859
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: And they're like completely battered by the rocks, and Drew's

860
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: body is nowhere to be found, like no one knows

861
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: where he is. And essentially now they are stranded on

862
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: this river in the middle of nowhere that's in a gorge, right,

863
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: So they're down within one hundred feet maybe or more

864
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: in between the rocks, and the man with the gun

865
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: is run off. They're very interested in knowing where he

866
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: is or like what's going on there, because they also

867
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: believe that he might have shot Drew from above.

868
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: And this is the man that was in the sexual

869
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: assault scene that ran away.

870
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: Yes, and they're all in like extreme survival mode, and

871
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: they they just know that something bad has really happened

872
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: and they don't want to tell anybody that it's happened,

873
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: and so they're trying to figure it out as the

874
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: movies goes on. And it's just like you said before,

875
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: to me, this movie is so thought provoking on so

876
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: many levels. And I do think that over the years

877
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: it has turned into a joke and I don't and

878
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: there's such a disconnect there, and I'm it's very puzzling

879
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: to me.

880
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: There's not a lot in this film that I find

881
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: like funny on the surface. And again, I think it's

882
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: a powerful movie. I think that it is an interesting movie.

883
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: I think that it is a movie that has a

884
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: lot to say about masculinity and toxic masculinity and survive

885
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: and it has more to say than just the jokes

886
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: that's been reduced to.

887
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, let's put this into historical context, because again,

888
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: early seventies. It's like that era that we talked about

889
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: in that Ice Storm episode where you've got the sexual Revolution,

890
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Vietnam Women's liberation all happening at the same time, and

891
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: it feels related to what the big themes are in

892
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: this movie, which is that they're talking about traditional masculinity changing,

893
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: rape and sexual violence, people versus nature. These are all

894
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: things that are kind of like in the conversation at

895
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: this time in history, right we're talking about like a

896
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: group of men, one of whom is a guy like Lewis,

897
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: he's the alpha. Then there's somebody like Drew who is

898
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: the only one that wants to quote unquote do the

899
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: right thing. And like, you know, those two types of

900
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: men are being examined right now in this era.

901
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: And like I said, the idea of Bobby and sort.

902
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: Of what had happened to him, it all feels very

903
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: tied to, you know, what was going on at the time.

904
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: And I will say this too. You know, during this time,

905
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: there was also a big attempt to sort of change

906
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: the vision of what the South was for many years.

907
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: It had carried a bad image for a very very

908
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: long time. Atlanta was suddenly the like city that was

909
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: too busy to hate. We had you know, Jimmy Carter

910
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: was the president not long after this film was released.

911
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: So when when this film came out, it actually pissed

912
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: off quite a few people in the South because it

913
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: seemed to be perpetuating these kind of like rural white, poor,

914
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, Southern stereotypes, and because it became that punchline

915
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: about Southern people. Yeah, right, it became like a punchline

916
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: about many different things, but especially about the South and

917
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: about being in the country. And but what I think

918
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: is interesting, and again this is something that doesn't get

919
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: brought up in the jokes obviously, is that the city

920
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: guys are not any better, right, right, Like they come

921
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: in with their own cocky attitudes about these people that

922
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: live in this part of the world. And it's the

923
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: movie is it's very ambiguous about who you're supposed to

924
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: be rooting for, right And I think that's really interesting.

925
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: And I think part of what I love about this

926
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: movie is that it's it's it brings up a lot

927
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: of thoughts for me.

928
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: It's a very rich text, which I love, and just

929
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: sort of the history.

930
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: Behind it and like the you know who was in it,

931
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and like you know, obviously with the James Dickey thing

932
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: and the John Borman thing. You know, to me is

933
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: so fascinating. It's such a fascinating movie.

934
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: I agree.

935
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm glad you picked it for this theme because I

936
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: think that the secret I was trying to think about

937
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: it when I was watching it. I'm like, there's so

938
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: many secrets going on in this film, and beyond just

939
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: the initial trauma of what happens with Bobby, and like,

940
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: there are just so many secrets about like, you know,

941
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: because when when Lewis breaks his leg, he's just like,

942
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: now you're in the game and it's like, fuck you dude,

943
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: to do like you're the survivalist guy. Yeah, And there's

944
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: just like, you know, these just these notions and secrets

945
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: about how they are meant to live and survive this.

946
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: So it's it's I loved it. I loved I really

947
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: loved it.

948
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm glad I watched it because it's so much deeper

949
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: than the jokes I've heard about it.

950
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Thank you.

951
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you think that, because I think that's

952
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: an everyone's initial reaction to the film of of why

953
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: they won't see it is because they've heard so much about.

954
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: It in.

955
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: A in a way that suggests that it might be

956
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: like funny or campy or something like that, or like

957
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: at least like made into a joke. But I think

958
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: it's very dramatic and serious and it's like a very

959
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: textured great American film from the seventies.

960
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: It's like a classic in my opinion. Yeah, I could

961
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: not agree more.

962
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: And then John Borman made zart Oz after, So there

963
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: you go. I'm sorry, something must have happened.

964
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you don't know what happened there.

965
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: What happens is you got punched the face on.

966
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: And he's like, how about never again? Now it's just

967
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: Sean Connery's thigh hair.

968
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: However, anyway, another movie we could talk about the outfits forever.

969
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, exactly all right.

970
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: So for my pick for our theme of it was

971
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: a Secret, I chose a film that was released in

972
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six, directed by Rob Ryder, based on a

973
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: novella by Stephen King, and it is called stand By Me.

974
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: It happened in the summer of nineteen fifty nine, a

975
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: long time ago. Oh man, where do you hear this? Wait?

976
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: Do you hear this? What you guys want to go

977
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: see your dead body.

978
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: I want to say off the top two that the

979
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: screenplay was written by Raynald Gideon and Bruce A.

980
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Evans.

981
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: I did not look up if they did anything else

982
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: because I was too busy crying over the end of

983
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: this film. I have never cried I did this movie before.

984
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: And this is a film that I saw when it

985
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: came out. You know, I was what like nine when

986
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: it came out. And I'll give you a brief synopsis.

987
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you like a one sentence synopsis. So

988
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 3: this is a movie about four boys who go on

989
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: a two day journey.

990
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 2: To see if they can locate a dead body.

991
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: They heard about this dead body because one of them

992
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: heard that their older brothers talking about it. Supposedly it

993
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: is the body of a twelve year old boy who

994
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: was around the age of our protagonists. And it's really

995
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: a story that's more about the journey than the destination.

996
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: So that's kind of what this movie is about. The

997
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: movie is again made in nineteen eighty six, but it's

998
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: set in nineteen fifty nine, and you have these four

999
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: primary characters. You have Gordie, who's kind of the storyteller

1000
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: of the group. Chris is the tough guy of the group,

1001
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: Teddy's kind of the wild guy, and Vern is the

1002
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: Teddy Bear. And even for child actors, this is a

1003
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: rock star cast. So Will Wheaton plays Gordy River, Phoenix

1004
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: played Chris Corey Feldman played Teddy de Champ, and Jerry

1005
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: O'Connell played Vern. And if you want to talk about

1006
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: the glow up to end all glow ups, look at

1007
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: Jerry O'Connell and stand by me and then just google

1008
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: a picture of him.

1009
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: Now, Vern is so cute.

1010
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm like a couple of people, are we really like

1011
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: picking on this guy so much? Like?

1012
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: Whatever? Okay, I love Vern. I think that it is.

1013
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: I think that this should be the rubric by which

1014
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: we now base like all of our friend groups on

1015
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: because we've done sex in the city for a long

1016
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: ass time.

1017
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: Like are you the Charlotte of the Miranda? Are you

1018
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: the Gordy or are you the Vern? I'm the Vern.

1019
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking Vern, depending on who I'm hanging out with,

1020
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: honestly for a very long time. And now I just

1021
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: might be the guy that owns the junkyard who knows ah.

1022
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 3: Oh No, there are also some other heavy hitters in here.

1023
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 3: You've got Keith for Sutherland who plays Ace Merrill. He's

1024
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: kind of the town tough. And then you also have

1025
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: Casey Samasco who plays Billy. He's Verne's older brother. That's

1026
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: how they found out about this body. They heard Billy

1027
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: and his friend Charlie talking about it on the porch.

1028
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: But my favorite older brother might be Chris's older brother,

1029
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 3: who just goes by the name Eyeball. I don't know

1030
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: why I love that so much, but I love Eyeball

1031
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: as a nickname.

1032
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good, so good. But what's wild?

1033
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: And this is one of the joys of watching something

1034
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: again as an adult, or watching it after a long

1035
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: period of time. I did not remember how much they

1036
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: really dig into the background of all the family stuff

1037
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: for these kids. So when they set out to do,

1038
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, to find this body, they're walking the tracks.

1039
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 3: They're kind of cutting a path towards where they heard

1040
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: the body could be. And you've got Gordie again, played

1041
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: by Will Wheaton. Gordy is dealing with the aftermath of

1042
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: his brother dying in a car accident, his brother, Denny,

1043
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: and Denny was like the quarterback all star kid, and

1044
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 3: he was also really sweet to Gordy in a way

1045
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: that his father wasn't and that his mother wasn't, So

1046
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: he really had a loss when his brother died. It

1047
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: wasn't just like this guy I didn't really know too well,

1048
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: like they were close. Denny also played by a very

1049
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: young John Cusack. Mm hmmm, beautiful.

1050
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: Hard to believe that John Cusack was a football star.

1051
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: But you know what, they made it work. They made

1052
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: it work.

1053
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean he always comes off as like the sarcastic,

1054
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, older brother, not necessarily a football type, but

1055
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: you know what, good for them?

1056
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: Can I introduce you to a little movie called eight

1057
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: Men Out? No introduction needed, but yes, that is the same.

1058
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: He has to have been a sports person in at

1059
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: least alms, right, He's not always the bratty teenager.

1060
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: It works, It works in small doses. I'm into it.

1061
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: And then you've got Chris's brother, who I'm sure has

1062
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: things going on, but I just have to repeat. His

1063
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: nickname is Eyeball, So there's something going on there with

1064
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: that guy. But Chris is dealing with a lot in

1065
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: terms of who his family is in the town, so

1066
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: we'll talk about that a little bit later. But he

1067
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: kind of has this view of how people view him.

1068
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: That's just heartbreaking. And then you've got Teddy, who his

1069
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: dad has some mental health issues and you know, people

1070
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: pick on him for it. So I didn't remember that.

1071
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: I didn't remember that. This movie goes so deep into

1072
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: the background of all this stuff. So they set out

1073
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: for this trip. They make up a story that allows

1074
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: them to be gone for two entire days without their

1075
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: parents freaking out. Hello nineteen fifty nine, and I love

1076
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: I just love little moments of this movie, like when

1077
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: they first set out for the trip, they do a

1078
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: little inventory. Absolutely nobody brings food because you know their

1079
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: twelve year old boys. Verne brings a comb and Chris

1080
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: brings a gun. Like again, in terms of the friend group,

1081
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: we all have friends like this, like which of your

1082
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: friends is bringing a gun to the very chill hangout

1083
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: or the metaphorical gun to the very chill hangout. There's

1084
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: always someone who's like You're like, we're gonna chill out

1085
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 3: and have some pizza, And if it's four of you

1086
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: or more, everyone's like, all right, I got this. I

1087
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 3: got the pizza, I got the wine, I bought the acid.

1088
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: And you're like, I'm sorry, what that's Chris chambers.

1089
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: Up and down exactly.

1090
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 3: And then you also have this movie has so many

1091
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: classic moments. So we've got this primary secret of the

1092
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: body that they're trying to get to, and they don't

1093
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: even know if it's there. They're going on a whim,

1094
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: which is such a child a childish and kind of

1095
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: like a real childhood dream almost to kind of just

1096
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: be able to follow your whimsy. So they don't even

1097
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: know what they're gonna see or if they're going to

1098
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: see anything. They just take off. They're on it for

1099
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 3: the so classic moments. They're walking the train tracks. There

1100
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: is a point where Gordy leans down to feel the

1101
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: track because the rumble of the track is what we'll

1102
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 3: let him know that there's a train coming.

1103
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: And there is.

1104
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 3: So they're all running and vern who is crawling over

1105
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: this train trestle with one hundred foot drop. Verne is

1106
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: crawling and Gordy trying to get him to stand up

1107
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: and run. And this isn't just a train, it's like

1108
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: a locomotive. It's got like the big black smoke sad

1109
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 3: and the cowcatcher on the front.

1110
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: It is scary. I love this scene so much because

1111
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: they're just like move your ass, let's go, let's run.

1112
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: It is just it's so it's just very cute. It's

1113
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: very cute scene. It's cute or stressful. I get stressed

1114
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: out when I see this inappropriate laughter. What can I say?

1115
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Kids run out trying to out run a train. I'm laughing, man, damn.

1116
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: But it is stressful, It's true.

1117
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: Well, I will say just generally too, I think people

1118
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: see it this way now too, is that this movie

1119
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: was really dark for a movie about children. They dealt

1120
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: with a lot of sort of like grown up things,

1121
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: or it was dark.

1122
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: There was scary moments, you know, Yeah, And I mean,

1123
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: would we expect anything less from Stephen King? There you go.

1124
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: I always forget that it was from one of his stories,

1125
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, makes sense.

1126
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: And there's there are other incredibly classic moments the Junkyard

1127
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: that Millie probably runs in this scenario, they're just kind of,

1128
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, they're hanging out before the junk yard opens,

1129
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: just you know, trying to wait for Gordy to go

1130
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: get some food and come back. And there's a legend

1131
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: of the junkyard Dog, and the junkyard dog is called Chopper,

1132
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: and the legend is that the Junkyard owner has taught

1133
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: Chopper to sick balls. So when Gordy comes back with

1134
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: the food and he sees this has to be the

1135
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: most terrring moment for me. When you come back somewhere

1136
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: from some place and rejoin your group and they have

1137
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: all scrambled over a fence. Shit, it's about to go down.

1138
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: So they're all standing on the other side of the

1139
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: fence like, come on, run and he sees the dog.

1140
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: Suddenly, suddenly it's Chopper time. I also it also made

1141
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: me think.

1142
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: The scene also made me think of the WWF because

1143
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: do you remember the Junkyard Dog the wrestler?

1144
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: Hell? Yeah, do you remember that the Junkyard Dog released

1145
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: a song? No, I don't think I did.

1146
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: Junkyard Dog released a song called grab Them Cakes and

1147
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: just do yourself a favor and look it up.

1148
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I was eight and singing the song.

1149
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what the cakes were that he was

1150
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: talking about love, but the Junkyard Dog. It's like when

1151
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: Refrigerator Perry did the Super Bowl shuffle in my head

1152
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: way too incongruous in my head, but yeah, grab them

1153
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: cakes and he spells it out in the song.

1154
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, gr a b.

1155
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: T h E m A K E s grab them cakes?

1156
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: WHOA so?

1157
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: Grab them was in reference to what you're in a

1158
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: junk yard and you got to this day.

1159
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's a little tushy squeeze.

1160
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: To this day. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you.

1161
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: I can't tell you if or how it relates to wrestling.

1162
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: I just know that it is burned in my brain

1163
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: for eternity, and when I talk about it, I feel

1164
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: like I'm high, because hardly anyone else remembers it ever.

1165
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: I heard too.

1166
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: There will be people writing us right now to be like, oh,

1167
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: I fucking have that songs.

1168
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: On my Master of the Universe record player as we speak.

1169
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: That's the jam there.

1170
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 3: Also another iconic moment for me, at least is when

1171
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: they kind of retire for the eat of the first

1172
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: evening and they're having this chat around the fire and

1173
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: they're just having a chat that is so like twelve

1174
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 3: year old boy.

1175
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: But the line that kills me, I truly.

1176
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: C I burst out laughing when I heard it this

1177
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: time too is when they say goofy can't be a dog,

1178
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: where's a hat? And drives a car? Like this is

1179
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: the depth of their conversation. They are figuring it out.

1180
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: This is their like, this is their call to action,

1181
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: is to figure out whether or not Goofy is a dog.

1182
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: It's so cute, which is really hilarious, and it's also

1183
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: like the thing I love too about this movie even

1184
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: as a kid, that I really loved is they bust

1185
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: each other's balls so much like so many Yomama jokes,

1186
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: so many jokes about each other, but it's all done

1187
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: in such a loving way. But it's just a cornerstone

1188
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 3: of their friendship to like just constantly rib each other

1189
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: and loved it. And then around this fire you get

1190
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: to see Gordy telling them a story, and I think

1191
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: it's really cute that they like how Gordy tells stories

1192
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: and how he's a writer and they are already honoring

1193
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: that at their age. And the film is narrated by

1194
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: the adult Gordy who's played by Richard Dreyfuss, and so

1195
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: you get to see that in his life he does

1196
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 3: become a writer.

1197
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: Eventually.

1198
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: At the opening of the film, you get some information

1199
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: translated to you about what happens to a couple other characters,

1200
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: and the film kind of the thing that pushes the

1201
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: film off is that Gordie is reading the paper and

1202
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 3: sees that Chris, who became an attorney, was stabbed in

1203
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: a fight. He was trying to break up a fight

1204
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: and he got stabbed in the throat and died instantly.

1205
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: So it sets him on this path to like remembering

1206
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: the story that he's never told. I think it's kind

1207
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: of cool that as a writer he held something back

1208
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: for so long that was so integral to his development

1209
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: and to his personality. But he's telling the story. And look,

1210
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: there's a lot of insensitive moments in this movie because

1211
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: it was made in the eighties. The story is insensitive,

1212
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: but the plot is not. So the plot of the

1213
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 3: story is a revenge story that I just love and

1214
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 3: I will not ruin it for you if you haven't

1215
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 3: seen it. But more than anything, I just really enjoy

1216
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 3: them sitting around a fire kind of breaking it down

1217
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: and talking to each other about real things. There's a

1218
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 3: real tender moment the next day when Gordy kind of

1219
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 3: sees a deer on his own and you know, Chris

1220
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: is kind of I don't know. There's just there's just

1221
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of really nice, nice tender

1222
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: moments of them talking to each other as well, because

1223
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: one thing they've noticed and that we've noticed as a

1224
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: viewer throughout is that Teddy kind of has a hair trigger,

1225
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: and so when anyone brings up Teddy's dad, he just

1226
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: goes wild, like he cannot handle it. But then he

1227
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: also kind of is trying to cultivate a little bit

1228
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: of that madness in himself, which I think, like, you know,

1229
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: kind of standing in front of a train and daring

1230
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: it to hit him, and you know, he kind of

1231
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 3: tries to cultivate that a little bit. So when Gordy

1232
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 3: and Chris are talking to each other, it seems more

1233
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 3: grown up to me because they're really talking about their

1234
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: emotions and the things that are fueling their lives. And

1235
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: then they're also talking about their friend group and they're

1236
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 3: talking about this journey that they're on. But I think

1237
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: it was again in other hands, I don't know what

1238
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: this movie would have been. But this cast is a

1239
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 3: big part of why this movie is so it's such

1240
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 3: a classic Oh My River Phoenix Rest in peace.

1241
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: To me, it's like he, I mean, everything that they've

1242
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: said about him as a young actor is so true.

1243
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: He is so incredible and It's the thing too where

1244
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: when I for obviously, when I first saw the movie,

1245
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: I was a young person and I had crushes on everybody, right,

1246
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: I was like, especially Will Wheaton.

1247
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I had a.

1248
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: Huge, obsessive crush on Will Wheaton when I was a

1249
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: young girl. I think a lot of people did, and

1250
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: the same thing with River Phoenix, I mean essentially all

1251
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: of them.

1252
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: Who didn't have a crush on everybody in that cast.

1253
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: I didn't have a crush on Will Wheaton. I did

1254
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: have a crush on Chris and Teddy and Verne, yeah, everybody.

1255
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: But now, having watched it as an adult, like you knows,

1256
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 2: as a woman who is like of child burying a

1257
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: theoretically could have had a child, I.

1258
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: Feel so tenderly for them now in a way that

1259
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: I never felt before. I mean I did, but.

1260
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: Not to this degree. Like I said, I.

1261
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: Feel for them now more in a way that I'm

1262
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: just sort of like they kind of remind me of

1263
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: like who my nephews will eventually be, just like these

1264
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: sensitive boys who have problems and they want to talk

1265
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: about the problems that they have with their friends, and

1266
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: they want their friends to like not you know, punch

1267
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: them in.

1268
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: The shoulder and make fun of them.

1269
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: They want like the actual friend, They want the person

1270
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: to listen to them. And there's that scene that you

1271
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: talked about with Gordy and Chris, like that I was crying.

1272
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: My eyes out. I was a mess around.

1273
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: This is a part of the fireside conversation too, is

1274
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: like when Teddy and Verne go to sleep, Chris and

1275
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 3: Gordy have a conversation because Gordy's father has earlier said

1276
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 3: that he doesn't want Gordy hanging around Chris because he's

1277
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 3: bad news. And he stole the milk money, right, And

1278
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 3: then around the fire you get the other side of

1279
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 3: that story, which is Chris did steel the milk money

1280
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: because he's you know, he's a.

1281
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: Little bad ass.

1282
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: But he brought it back and the teacher didn't give

1283
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: it in. She bought herself a new outfit. And so

1284
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: he's now like this town pariah and he's just crying

1285
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 3: and it's so evocative, like he really starts weeping about this.

1286
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 3: He's revealed a layer of the adult world and it

1287
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 3: has devastated him.

1288
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ruver Phoenix, my god, it's like he is

1289
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: he was truly conveying emotion in that scene, Like it

1290
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a fake kid actor cry. It feels

1291
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: like somebody who is way more sensitive and intuitive beyond

1292
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: his years. Like just such a good actor and at

1293
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: such a young age. I mean, it's just it was

1294
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: really incredible. It really hit me this time just how

1295
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: talented he was.

1296
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: But then all of them are.

1297
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: They're all talented, you know, as children, and they were

1298
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: incredible actors. But I mean, that scene really just wrecked me.

1299
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, these sweet babies

1300
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: that are having these big feelings, and I just I

1301
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: want to hug them.

1302
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: All, you know, I completely agree.

1303
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: And it was they do that like high pitch little

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Speaker 3: kid cry thing where they're talking and squeaks, and it

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Speaker 3: went right to my heart. And it also reminded me

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Speaker 3: a little bit of the Steve McQueen episode that we

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Speaker 3: did Sexy Living in mid Air, and how Steve McQueen

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Speaker 3: in his own life talked about how there were so

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Speaker 3: many boys who were pushed aside into these parts of

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Speaker 3: school that were meant for kind of a more remedial

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Speaker 3: life and weren't even given a chance. And it just

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Speaker 3: reminded me of how often that happens, and how you

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Speaker 3: can condemn someone at childhood essentially is what Steve McQueen

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Speaker 3: was saying. And I could see that here and it

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Speaker 3: just really made me so sad.

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Speaker 1: And like the thing about his character, about the Chris character,

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Speaker 1: is that you can tell that he had to grow

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Speaker 1: up way faster than he probably should have, right, because

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Speaker 1: of this idea that his family is seen as like

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Speaker 1: the bad family, the the you know, the town criminals.

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Speaker 2: Right, and there's violence. There's violence within the family itself.

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Speaker 3: You know, they talk about it at the beginning when

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Speaker 3: Gordy's kind of going around as the narrator introducing everyone,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, Teddy's dad held his ear

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Speaker 3: to a fire and Chris's dad beats him up all

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Speaker 3: the time, Like there's real violence in their lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you can tell Chris, even at this young age,

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Speaker 1: he's able to feel protective over his friend's talent. And

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Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. I can't even I can't even imagine. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I would have been that kind of person

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Speaker 1: at that age, to be honest, I don't think I

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Speaker 1: would have felt a need to see my friends shine

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Speaker 1: in that way. Because he's very protective over Gordy's ability

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Speaker 1: to be like a great writer, and he like, I

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Speaker 1: want you to take your college classes, don't go to

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Speaker 1: shop with us, like we we you have a talent

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Speaker 1: and I want to nurture that as your friend. I'm

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Speaker 1: just like, holy shit, like what an incredible kid.

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Speaker 3: You know? And he also I mean that that was

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Speaker 3: a moment that made me cry in a different way

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01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: because I thought, well, he's someone who is now he's

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: saying to other people what he wishes someone would say

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Speaker 3: to him exactly. And then Gordy does, and it's just

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Speaker 3: such a touching and tender moment because he says, like

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Speaker 3: you could take the college classes too, you could come

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Speaker 3: with me. And Chris is just so dismissed it. He's like, nope, nope,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about you, and it is. It's a lot

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Speaker 3: of big emotions for these little guys. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we get some more fun, some more fun in the movie.

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Speaker 3: I cannot I remiss if I didn't talk about the

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Speaker 3: leeches scene.

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Speaker 1: That scene fucked me up so bad as a kid,

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Speaker 1: so bad. I thought every body of water that I

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 1: entered into, why would about with leeches?

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what leeches were when I saw that movie,

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01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 3: and after that, I ask questions every day about what

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01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 3: leeches were, Like, where are they, what are they up to?

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Speaker 2: What do they want? What do they eat? What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: How could you not tell me that this lives in

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Speaker 2: our world?

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Speaker 1: I know I had an irrational fear of leeches for

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Speaker 1: years because of this movie.

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Speaker 3: Oh completely, But it's a great scene even now, Like

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Speaker 3: it's very it's really funny and it's very well done.

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Speaker 3: I will say that, And then there's also kind of

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Speaker 3: a nice I won't give it away, but at the

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Speaker 3: end of the movie there's another really big emotional beat

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Speaker 3: where Gordie becomes kind of protective of his friends in

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01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: a specific way when they run into Ace again and

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Speaker 3: when they triumph, he and Chris together kind of defend

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Speaker 3: this group and then he kind of just you know,

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: he breaks down. He breaks down about how he knows

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 3: his dad hates him and he is no good and

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01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 3: that just broke me open. And Will Wheaton is such

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: a good crier.

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Speaker 2: He was such a good crier. He probably still is.

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: I mean, he's still alive and kick it, and I

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: don't know if he's still crying in public. But no,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is a good.

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 3: A good crier. So yeah, this movie was just so

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 3: it was just great. And again, like thinking about the theme,

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: I think that they this is a group of friends

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01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: who don't have a lot of secrets between each other,

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 3: and to have the narration of the movie be something

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Speaker 3: that guides you, you kind of can look back at

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01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 3: that time of your life and see in your own

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01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: life where there was a time when you could just

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01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: be more open and free with your friends and you

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: weren't yet like inundated by all of these cultural rules.

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Speaker 2: And so I just think it's beautiful. I thought it

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01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: was a really beautiful movie. Although I will say there's

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 2: no way Will Wheaton grows up to look like Richard

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Speaker 2: dreyf Is. That is some stunt casting that I do

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Speaker 2: not appreciate. Yeah, that was a little far fetched, I agree.

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Speaker 3: And I also found myself asking, like, would I show

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 3: this movie to kids today?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There's enough in there that I think they wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: able to conceive of or understand. And I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but I think I'm glad that we got to see

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01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 3: as kids, and I'm even more glad that we could

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01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: see as adults in relive it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's our show for the week, that is.

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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 2: much looser way, if you can even believe it could

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Speaker 2: It would be my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: So there's no show next week, but there will be

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Speaker 3: then the following week for our next new episode, you'll

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Speaker 3: be watching Footloose from nineteen eighty four and Footloose from

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven ah, what could it be?

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Speaker 2: What could be?

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Speaker 1: What use it? Is it some esoteric thought that we

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: had late at night.

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01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: It's very The Brothers weighans a critical assessment of esthetic.

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Speaker 2: You should go deep with your thoughts on these themes.

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Speaker 3: Of Footloose and Footloose, which, again, what a name for

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Speaker 3: a crime fighting duo?

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01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 2: That could be us, buddy playing, that's us.

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Speaker 3: We're Almonds with the dash of Sea Salt is our

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Speaker 3: wrap duo, and Footloose and Footloose is our crime fighting

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Speaker 3: duo name.

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Speaker 2: Love it as always, It's been a pleasure. I'm really

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Speaker 2: glad to talk about these movies with you, and thanks

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Speaker 2: everybody for listening. We'll see you next time.

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