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Speaker 1: the table from me, the average Spagnola, average Mick to
Speaker 1: my right. How you guys doing, good man, It's beautiful
Speaker 1: day outside. It is a beautiful day. Bill's not here.
Speaker 1: We got a little breaking the monotony. Love Bill, Man,
Speaker 1: but hey, come on, sometimes we gotta look at young
Speaker 1: fellow or your turn. Your keeps coming off the bench.
Speaker 1: I forgot that Bill had next man up, baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: next man up. I forgot he had Thursday TV duty.
Speaker 1: But here we go. Oh, I thought you came down
Speaker 1: early because you remember. No, it was just looked at
Speaker 1: my room always gone. And I have my chair back.
Speaker 1: I don't have Nate k Newton's chair anymore. Man. That
Speaker 1: sucker makes so much noise broken in the back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how he likes it, that's how he likes it.
Speaker 1: I can't lean back on. Uh you mentioned a beautiful
Speaker 1: day ever since the Cowboys are practicing outside once again
Speaker 1: today grass What is it? Sixty degrees? Oh right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get there. Yeah, yeah, well it's beautiful day. Trying
Speaker 1: their best to mimic the Philly conditions, but not exact.
Speaker 1: Is all you need, just grass field is all you need.
Speaker 1: Long as you're on grass field, get the field for it,
Speaker 1: since that's the thing they do these days, gonna play
Speaker 1: on grass as well, practice on grass. Did you guys
Speaker 1: ever find someplace to go? And no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But if the weather was just the weather was hard,
Speaker 1: but we go to lows Field. Yeah, we're right there.
Speaker 1: That wasn't indoors. No, it is not just an artificial turf.
Speaker 1: Yes it is, but it is not indoors. And the
Speaker 1: only reason we would go there is because we only
Speaker 1: had grass field to practice on, right, so we we
Speaker 1: didn't want to mess up the field if it was
Speaker 1: ice or something like that. Rams game. I believe that
Speaker 1: was January of eighty four, if I'm not mistaken. When
Speaker 1: Dickerson just ran all through our frozen That was the
Speaker 1: first round. We didn't. We didn't. They beat us in
Speaker 1: the first round. He had like two hundred yards on
Speaker 1: us in Texas Stadium. We had to go to Lows
Speaker 1: all week because if you recall, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of sleet and uh and rain coming down, so we
Speaker 1: don't want to mess up our field. It had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that we were playing on
Speaker 1: a in Texas Stadium. That had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: We just had to get away so we didn't mess
Speaker 1: up by grass field. Did you ever practice at Texas Stadium?
Speaker 1: Maybe once? Maybe once? Did they bust you there? They
Speaker 1: make your drug? Yeah? Man, no they bust us. No,
Speaker 1: we busted everywhere. You think Tom's gonna trust us? Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: don't get your cars, don't stop on the way home,
Speaker 1: you know, don't stop at the looking store. Don't stop
Speaker 1: at the drug store for for the for some some
Speaker 1: ingredients for for for the house. No, no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: all go together. We're coming back together, and all fines
Speaker 1: are still in place in case you feel like getting frisky.
Speaker 1: So I can't picture it at the old place on
Speaker 1: Forrests and neighbor. Was there two practice fields or just one?
Speaker 1: It was two? There was two. Yes, there was two
Speaker 1: practice fields. Right. You got the one where the you
Speaker 1: had the straight shot from the days in Yeah, where
Speaker 1: the Redskins could film out practice practice very time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Texas out the entire side of the hotel.
Speaker 1: We had security walking two floors, okay, just the two
Speaker 1: floors there at the day's end to make sure that
Speaker 1: it was only Redskins week. Though there's never any other
Speaker 1: word about anybody, never anybody else, Only Redskins Week. That
Speaker 1: darn George Allen, That's what it was. That dog on
Speaker 1: George Allen, May God rest his soul. Man. That's kid.
Speaker 1: Then that was a healthy heck of a coach. There's
Speaker 1: something about Redskins Week back then, and now I think
Speaker 1: it's it's about Philly Week, Isn't it Hasn't it replaced it?
Speaker 1: What do you think ever? Since I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was Washington Week back in the day, I would
Speaker 1: I would have to say it's Philly because we are
Speaker 1: we now have proof that they are the worst fans
Speaker 1: in all of sports. When you I believe they say
Speaker 1: they have a a judge downstairs right to sentence you
Speaker 1: to jail for the remainder of the game. I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure they don't keep they don't
Speaker 1: keep it an overnight right like County. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's a it's a temporary holding just till
Speaker 1: the game is over. That is incredible. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: would have to say Philly. And anytime you have a rivalry,
Speaker 1: it's all about personalities. So when you're talking Tom Landry
Speaker 1: George Allen, I mean, you know, the two extreme spectrums
Speaker 1: on one side or the other. And that's what made
Speaker 1: that interesting because Tom was never gonna break the porcelain,
Speaker 1: you know, vase, but George is like he's breaking everything.
Speaker 1: He's tearing down signs after the game, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's running roughshot all over your stadium after they come
Speaker 1: in and win. So that kind of elevated, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that elevated it was the
Speaker 1: fact that when George Allen got there, the Redskins got good.
Speaker 1: You can't have a rivalry if it's one sided all
Speaker 1: the time, and the Redskins weren't very good during the sixties,
Speaker 1: so when the Cowboys got good, But then in the
Speaker 1: seventies when the Redskins finally took something away from the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think it was seventy two. They went to the
Speaker 1: to the beat him in the playoffs then, and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, this is serious stuff now. So
Speaker 1: that's what kind of caused it, because they got better
Speaker 1: and he made a big deal out of it. If
Speaker 1: you talked to that was a whole point. He was
Speaker 1: a he was a great man. He was to me,
Speaker 1: I thought he was just a master of manipulation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He was able to work with the press.
Speaker 1: He knew that that made things exciting. He went through
Speaker 1: you guys for everything, and he was over the top
Speaker 1: and he enjoyed that. I think it was all very calculating,
Speaker 1: and I actually thought it was good for the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's great. It's great for TV, no doubt. And
Speaker 1: now you're talking, I think when when the Cowboy Philly rival,
Speaker 1: he got really funky and heated was come on, give
Speaker 1: me buddy, Buddy, Jimmy right, that's right, Buddy and Jimmy.
Speaker 1: That was the best and that got it going and
Speaker 1: they were dominating. But then in ninety one ninety two,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys started many right and then Kelvin Martin Punt returned.
Speaker 1: That changed everything. I reminded him of that last night
Speaker 1: on the on our Happy Hour show, did you Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we were talking about how you can come back
Speaker 1: in a season and that season at that point they were,
Speaker 1: they were six and five, They went through the Redskins,
Speaker 1: they won, and then if they had beat Philadelphia, they
Speaker 1: were going to clinch a wild card spot. And that
Speaker 1: that was the pumpet. That was amazing. And I wasn't here.
Speaker 1: You weren't even there that I know, but I was.
Speaker 1: I was there. Look, I had no choice. I had
Speaker 1: to look at you guys. I couldn't turn off the
Speaker 1: TV otherwise that's the only way you can not see
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, especially during that whole three out of four years.
Speaker 1: But I must admit those guys that I played against,
Speaker 1: I wasn't pulling for him, but those guys that I
Speaker 1: played with, somebody like Martin, you know, Kate mart we
Speaker 1: called him. That was man for to see him come
Speaker 1: through like that, and who had always been a steady
Speaker 1: player for the Cowboys, right he was our cop, He
Speaker 1: was our Cole Beasley, you know. He was that guy
Speaker 1: that steadied everything when Mike was getting double team and
Speaker 1: Harper wasn't going up and getting the hot the hot catch.
Speaker 1: Here comes Kmart, just super steady, and when he made
Speaker 1: that move that really put him to me. That put
Speaker 1: him on a on a special pedestal as far as
Speaker 1: the cowboy success is concerned. And the other thing I
Speaker 1: remembered about that run was the blindside block that I
Speaker 1: Colt made on the last guy that could have caught him,
Speaker 1: just wiped him out. And Ike was kind of a
Speaker 1: weird dude. He was kind of definitely weird. I love him.
Speaker 1: You gotta love it though that he is a character.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the time you asked about
Speaker 1: that rival Yeah, it's good stuff. A lot of weird
Speaker 1: moments in the history of this this rivalry for sure,
Speaker 1: and maybe we get another one on Sunday afternoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't want to talk about his in day use
Speaker 1: that was the bounce the time. That's over the top.
Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, that was over the top. What about
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, It's gonna be over the top, ready to
Speaker 1: go Sunday. What's the update? I think so, but I
Speaker 1: don't not sure how much he's gonna do this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, just judging from what Jason said today,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is your last real full practice. The
Speaker 1: Friday one is a full practice, but it's not like uh,
Speaker 1: Wednesday and Thursday. And it didn't sound like he was
Speaker 1: going to do much. Uh he said, he said he's progressing,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen him throw, and it didn't sound
Speaker 1: like he was going to throw again today. So I
Speaker 1: think from a fact, when you have a sprained ac
Speaker 1: joint that basically you're gonna have to let it rest
Speaker 1: and uh and I guess you can do a little
Speaker 1: rehab on it, but I think rest is the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that he's got going for him. So that I
Speaker 1: got the alert, I'm sure you got it. What was
Speaker 1: the ESPN? No meaningful that's what he's meaningful what he
Speaker 1: said in the press conference, No meaningful throwing today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. So mental weird. Yeah, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to that. I mean, you know, I mean he
Speaker 1: may be out there. I mean he was out there yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, what did they do? Listen to me?
Speaker 1: He was limited, but Cooper Rush said he got most
Speaker 1: of the team work. Found it like he got it
Speaker 1: all by the way, and and that probably will continue
Speaker 1: today because they'll they'll take a look at it Friday
Speaker 1: and see, okay, can you do some throwing? Then? I
Speaker 1: what's your understanding on it? Is it more like inflammation swelling?
Speaker 1: So I think when you sprain your ac joint, you
Speaker 1: stretch it. I think that's what happens in your shoulder
Speaker 1: right right in here. And I don't know that it's
Speaker 1: it's a more it's a swelling. I think it's just
Speaker 1: a kind of stretched and it does get painful. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things where as you as you move it,
Speaker 1: you you kind of hope for a pop or something,
Speaker 1: but that never comes. Have you ever had one? I
Speaker 1: have not had one. Not in my in my in
Speaker 1: my wrist, I had okay, a sprain, but never in
Speaker 1: my shoulder. That's yeah. If I had something, my shoulder
Speaker 1: is usually bone. Yeah right, I never had it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't muscle, it was straight bone. See. And I think
Speaker 1: sometimes when you separate your shoulder, then you you irritate
Speaker 1: the ac joints so bad. Idea when they go in there,
Speaker 1: they have to fix that. Two. Yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fairly common football injury. We've seen it with this
Speaker 1: team over the years, but not necessarily with a quarterback
Speaker 1: to his right throwing shoulder problem. As a dB, I could,
Speaker 1: I could, I had one show, I could, I could say, Hey,
Speaker 1: tell the other safety the corner, let's switch sides, because
Speaker 1: I know that I'm going to be using a particularly
Speaker 1: shoulder more than the other if it gets that despot.
Speaker 1: But you know, throwing totally different thing. Totally different thing.
Speaker 1: And you know when you go back, and we got
Speaker 1: a chance after the show to go back and look
Speaker 1: at the play. And it was that first and ten
Speaker 1: from the ten yard line their second possession when he
Speaker 1: faked the hand off to Zeke and ran to the
Speaker 1: outside for seven yards and Clay Matthews fell on top
Speaker 1: made the tackle, fell on top of him, and he
Speaker 1: fell on his right shoulder with two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: pounds on him. So, uh now he jumped up after
Speaker 1: the plate. Never saw him like like that, you see.
Speaker 1: And my understanding is that he didn't really complain about it,
Speaker 1: but the trainers were aware that there was some discomfort
Speaker 1: in there when it took place. So and you know, Dak,
Speaker 1: he's not sliding if he sees the first down marker,
Speaker 1: He's going for the first down and he's going head first. Uh,
Speaker 1: he could have slid. I couldn't remember. I had to
Speaker 1: be reminded that even if it's a planned run, the
Speaker 1: quarterback still can slide with the luxury of not getting
Speaker 1: hit of course. Yeah, I was thinking you only did
Speaker 1: that when you ran out of the pocket like you
Speaker 1: were trying to throw. But yeah, that's a pretty good, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, slick move right doing. And Russell Wilson doesn't.
Speaker 1: He'll take off and go for thirty yards and oh
Speaker 1: I'm slided, I think after ten yards slides off. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Yeah right, So, I mean it's hard to
Speaker 1: make a declaration about where he is and what he's
Speaker 1: going to be able to do this week because we
Speaker 1: just don't He hasn't thrown this week really much, and
Speaker 1: we don't really know he's going to be like in
Speaker 1: a day as much less three days. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: and I think he'll play. Now, the question is how
Speaker 1: effective will it? Will it affect what he does, will
Speaker 1: it affect how they call the game? Will it affect
Speaker 1: how the Eagles decide to play defense? If they are
Speaker 1: aware of this now, what they're going to be watching
Speaker 1: him very closely in warm ups. Right, we all are
Speaker 1: going to be sort of like we watch a kicker
Speaker 1: warm up before the game. Now he's going to watch
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. But you know there was sometimes when Tony
Speaker 1: was in that situation, he didn't go out there and
Speaker 1: throw smart right smart, And then he would he would
Speaker 1: stay in the locker room just just in the bows
Speaker 1: of the stadium itself and just kind of you know
Speaker 1: how dusted in there. Yeah, because he would come out
Speaker 1: when when he had to come out, it's like, oh, Romo,
Speaker 1: is he gonna play or not? And you know a
Speaker 1: lot of times what they did, if there's something that
Speaker 1: they could do a little something to help him out,
Speaker 1: they would do that, like right before kickoff something. It
Speaker 1: would last something, so it would last three hours, right
Speaker 1: something you said, I would uh, yeah, I'm gonna miss
Speaker 1: the pregame routine. Then yeah, a little yeah that might
Speaker 1: be hard. You might have to tone it down fifteen
Speaker 1: percent or so that we'll see. Um. So now you know,
Speaker 1: I mean good that Cooper Rush gets the gets the work.
Speaker 1: He that's not what I want to see since I
Speaker 1: know that, but I want to Since he got here
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, he has never taken a full practice
Speaker 1: with the first team. He's never had to do it.
Speaker 1: That's a luxury and that's the luxury of Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: right resolutely. I mean he never missed a practice and
Speaker 1: so that was the first time, you know, Cooper said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was kind of fun at practice. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not running the scout team. It's like he's not being
Speaker 1: the you know, the Washington General's out there and you know,
Speaker 1: purposely failing. So the defense feels good about you. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing that happened is Thorsen, the practice
Speaker 1: squad quarterback. He's usually on the practice squad because Cooper's
Speaker 1: taken the reps for the scout team. So what his
Speaker 1: job is play wide receiver and defensive back on the
Speaker 1: scout team. So he actually yes, nice, absolutely, yeah, because
Speaker 1: his best practice is before the games. If you've noticed,
Speaker 1: when they go out early, he goes out there and
Speaker 1: John Kitten runs them through some drills, makes him drop back,
Speaker 1: moved to your right throw when they have a guy
Speaker 1: standing there and you got to hit it. It's like
Speaker 1: he gets workout in. Oh, it's a huge workout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know here he basically what he's doing, he's
Speaker 1: everything else but the quarterback, you think they would need
Speaker 1: to make a move and get a third quarterback up
Speaker 1: on the roster. I think that I think that would
Speaker 1: that would we that would be determined or we would
Speaker 1: know the level of Dack's discomfort if they do that
Speaker 1: by Saturday, or worried that he's got to be on
Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster because you don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. You have to release somebody if you do it,
Speaker 1: and there'll be some team out there that could claim somebody.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's think about it like this. Okay, God
Speaker 1: God willing Cowboys win. You know that whatever happens, we're
Speaker 1: not playing him. Oh he sits watching you. That's I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say that because this is a winner
Speaker 1: take all game. You're seating or whatever, you're set. You
Speaker 1: got a home playoff game if you win this game.
Speaker 1: So would you say, regardless, this is his last game
Speaker 1: of the regular season. Regardless, Well, unless they lose, yeah
Speaker 1: they're not. Still you gotta win then for sure. I
Speaker 1: guess it's not winner to take golf for Philly. It's
Speaker 1: a winner take off for Dallas Sunday. Yeah I misspoke there,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean that would be ideal, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: Just And Mickey said this to me yesterday. This is
Speaker 1: what happens. You know, you always look back at the
Speaker 1: schedule at the end of the year and saying, well,
Speaker 1: let that one get away from us. The Catboys have
Speaker 1: a few games and it was just picked one game
Speaker 1: out of the six that they lost. Okay, yeah, one
Speaker 1: game out of the six, just the six that three
Speaker 1: and three there, Mickey will be telling me about the
Speaker 1: Jets game, you know in thirty years. No, then then
Speaker 1: the old Hill forget And then they'll say, no, it
Speaker 1: was the Patriots game. And they'll say, no, no, not that,
Speaker 1: it was always the Jets. Always the Jets game. Fifty
Speaker 1: ninety two yard touchdown. See, that's a setup move. That
Speaker 1: that's the that's the plays that I play for. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and fool me on this, wee. I
Speaker 1: always played for those plays, you know, because you got
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. Let's just face it. The jokes and they
Speaker 1: they always want to embarrass the cornerback. And when when
Speaker 1: is the best part to embarrass the cornerback when you're
Speaker 1: playing tight. You got them down there deep, they got
Speaker 1: nothing to lose. What were they you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: as a cornerback, I'm thinking, Oh, he's gonna run a
Speaker 1: curl out. Yeah, why would you even bite they hand off?
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I'll be at the at the fifty
Speaker 1: yard line waiting on that pass. Quarterback hasn't played in
Speaker 1: three weeks and they just dropped them on. So that's
Speaker 1: one of those situations where I don't give a dog
Speaker 1: on what you run in the combhind. Okay, what you
Speaker 1: what your forty is. I don't care what your vertical is.
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with how well you can play.
Speaker 1: That play, which happens a lot in many games, determines
Speaker 1: how smart you are. Period. It has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with I could have set my grandmother back there in
Speaker 1: the wheelchair and she'd be like, all right, I got
Speaker 1: a chance to make this play instead of biting on it,
Speaker 1: instead of biting on a ten yard stutter. So those
Speaker 1: are the kind of things I know we're going off
Speaker 1: the whaleship of things that a heads up player, you'll
Speaker 1: have to be a great athlete, just a heads up
Speaker 1: player that can make a difference. And not just the game,
Speaker 1: but according to Spags, a season, plays that shape the
Speaker 1: season shape the season. Be nice to be eight and
Speaker 1: six at this point, right, but go back to that
Speaker 1: Rams game in twenty seven. Don't don't go there again,
Speaker 1: SAgs right, swit He is the reporter of regret, right,
Speaker 1: absolutely all right? Eight eight, eight, five five to two
Speaker 1: nine seven is the number. If you want to join
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Speaker 1: Cowboys Inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Five two ninety seven
Speaker 1: is the number mix got that injury report out? What's
Speaker 1: on there besides Dak Prescott? A lot of guys on here, right,
Speaker 1: So Michael Bennett didn't practice illness A little bit of
Speaker 1: a foot still, but illness, so he should be okay.
Speaker 1: C J. Goodwin did have surgery on his thumb. I
Speaker 1: saw him. He had the hyperbaric chamber on his on
Speaker 1: his arm. It was a plastic things through dry and everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know if something was in there. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then later on in the day they put the cast
Speaker 1: on it. He said he can play with the cast.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I mean I played. He said, I
Speaker 1: played with it broken. So yeah, now it's fixed or
Speaker 1: the least cast. And I said, so what about catching?
Speaker 1: He goes, doesn't matter, I'll catch anything. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: all right then. I didn't ask about tackling, so I
Speaker 1: think you could grab with it anyway. So we'll see
Speaker 1: where that one goes. Uh. Actually some good news. Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath played in the game shoulder shoulder and was able
Speaker 1: to practice. Sean Lee did not practice, and I think
Speaker 1: they probably on the same routine as last year. Just
Speaker 1: get him the game. Uh. Jordan Lewis with a knee,
Speaker 1: He was limited. They didn't seem too concerned about that.
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith the looks like he's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: practice today, had somewhat of a sty from the injury.
Speaker 1: The family is family, Yeah, and I guess the swelling
Speaker 1: went down enough so they're just going to put a
Speaker 1: shield on his helmet and you get the tea bag man.
Speaker 1: He might have been listening to us, right. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: did not practice. That that's somewhat concerning. Uh. And Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods was full after I want to hear, so that's
Speaker 1: good to know that. I was waiting to hear to
Speaker 1: see if his name was going to be on that land.
Speaker 1: And Vanderesh won't play, so I didn't. I didn't even
Speaker 1: bother with him. Now they Philadelphia still got some injuries. Uh,
Speaker 1: agil Are still out with a knee. He's missed three
Speaker 1: of the flash four games with that knee, so that
Speaker 1: doesn't look good for him. Uh. Derek Barnett, their starting
Speaker 1: defensive end, was out with an ankle and Lane Johnson
Speaker 1: still with that. It's a high ankle sprain and he
Speaker 1: didn't play last week. I would imagine he's going to
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to go this week. So that's their
Speaker 1: injury update. Yeah, we talk about the phil We keep
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys and the problems we've been having
Speaker 1: with tight ends and running backs and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So at least stepped up big time. They did get
Speaker 1: some yards in that department, but that was all those
Speaker 1: oh by the way, fourth quarter, fourth quarter after we
Speaker 1: had already controlled the game. You know, I've seen Philly's linebackers.
Speaker 1: They looked tough. I think they're all healthy, but they
Speaker 1: never could handle us. They never could have handled a
Speaker 1: little nuclear running back and tight ends. We have always
Speaker 1: been able to take advantage of that. I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: that can be as healthy as possible to where he can,
Speaker 1: if not have don't have to worry about going down
Speaker 1: the field too much. When you're looking at an injury
Speaker 1: like this, you don't want him to do too much,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to be too much pre game,
Speaker 1: whatever action goes into that pregame routine, you don't want
Speaker 1: him doing too much of that. Also doing the ball
Speaker 1: game if the injury is as serious as we think
Speaker 1: it is. So that makes the running back and makes Polo,
Speaker 1: that makes the screen pass, that even makes the bubble routes,
Speaker 1: that even make the bubble screen, that even makes those
Speaker 1: very important plays. And I would imagine if I'm a
Speaker 1: Philadelphia coach, a defensive coach, I'm gonna think, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna make him throw downfield, the opposite, the opposite of
Speaker 1: what you do against the Cowboys, the opposite of what
Speaker 1: the game plan has been all year long, keeping everything
Speaker 1: in front of him. Let's see just especially early on
Speaker 1: in the box. Yeah, how good is that on? Let's
Speaker 1: see what happens and see I forgot last time. So
Speaker 1: when they beat him, what was it thirty seven ten?
Speaker 1: I believe the Cowboys had rushed for one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty nine yards. That was the most yards rushing against
Speaker 1: the Eagles this year and their ranked third rushing. But
Speaker 1: some of the better teams ran against them. So the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had one eighty nine, Seattle hundred seventy four, Minnesota
Speaker 1: one twenty two, the Bills ninety eight, and then even
Speaker 1: Washington last week one oh one ran against him. So
Speaker 1: I think to ever since point, the biggest problem they
Speaker 1: have has been in their secondary. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they've given up ten different hundred yard receiving performances this year,
Speaker 1: and Amari Cooper was one of them in that first
Speaker 1: meeting hundred and six yards. Although he had a forty
Speaker 1: four yard catch in that game, the longest catch that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had beyond that was fifteen yards. So all
Speaker 1: of a play action, Yeah, yeah, And that's because one
Speaker 1: eighty nine, whether one ninety all off of play action,
Speaker 1: and those were you know, those were those uh wide
Speaker 1: receivers too. We weren't even really. I don't think we
Speaker 1: hit the tight ends nearly as much that game as
Speaker 1: we did the play action going to the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: This particular game, I think it's gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit opposite. I think that's gonna be a little bit
Speaker 1: more careful. If he's smart, we run, We're gonna run
Speaker 1: the ball. We're gonna run the ball. We're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball. But I think, just so I talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday, we're gonna keep it a little bit more conservative.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it within the boundaries, not the boundary,
Speaker 1: but with within the what's the when you're kicking the ball,
Speaker 1: the hash thank you, thank you, Robert, you got it
Speaker 1: within the hash marks. I think they're gonna keep it
Speaker 1: inside of there because we've got weapons, We've got Jarwin,
Speaker 1: we've got within, and we've got Polo, we've got Zach Zeke.
Speaker 1: Come on, we don't need to necessarily show just how
Speaker 1: prolific we are again at beating the cornerbacks. I think
Speaker 1: this game is going to be a little bit more intense.
Speaker 1: We're going to be in their arena. I think it's
Speaker 1: best for us to just be ready for one of
Speaker 1: those I talked about it earlier, one of those slopping
Speaker 1: knocker games, to where we're going to have to be
Speaker 1: within those hash marks tight ends being prevalent. Pollot and
Speaker 1: Zeke same thing. And that was absolutely the case last week, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was kind of a slopper knocker offensive
Speaker 1: performance in terms of two hundred and sixty three rushing
Speaker 1: yards and a lot, to your point, a lot of
Speaker 1: underneath to intermediate stuff. Witton, Jarwin, Pollard, Zeke. I mean
Speaker 1: the wide receivers weren't really a factor. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was so much because of Dak's issue with the
Speaker 1: shouldering the game. But it's just what they were having
Speaker 1: success with and what the Rams gave them. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: go ahead and take it. That's why I did deal
Speaker 1: with the guys from the Eagles website this morning and
Speaker 1: they were wanting to know, what do you think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to do? And I said, well, you
Speaker 1: tell me what the Eagles are gonna do, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what that they'll counter it because they have
Speaker 1: the ability to do either or I just don't want
Speaker 1: them to get so itchy. I told your offenser coordinators
Speaker 1: most of the jokes. You know, they got an ego
Speaker 1: big as all outdoors, but they we cannot help ourselves
Speaker 1: as an offense too. We want that big play, we
Speaker 1: want that that flash, we want the you know, we
Speaker 1: want the glam, we want everything that goes with being
Speaker 1: this amazing down the field. Team coordinators really always want
Speaker 1: to show that. I don't want to show that. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need to show that. I think we
Speaker 1: need to show them just how tough we can be,
Speaker 1: because every time we start going to wide receivers, they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: take that little team, take a little fifteen. That's okay.
Speaker 1: Eventually we're gonna double team. We're gonna jump that route.
Speaker 1: It's hard to jump a route against the tight end
Speaker 1: who's going down the scenes right after you've done the
Speaker 1: play action. You can't just jump that route. Corners can
Speaker 1: do that. Linebackers can't do that. I think we need
Speaker 1: to keep that in that framework. Almost like every good
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator has a head coach with a rain like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, let's not get out there too far done that.
Speaker 1: He should have done that in Minnesota. Against Minnesota, that's
Speaker 1: one of those times where he should have He should
Speaker 1: have pulled rained him in. Should have pulled him in
Speaker 1: because everybody thinks the offensive coordinator is an independent contractor.
Speaker 1: You know the quotech has a headset on and there's
Speaker 1: a microphone there, and he needs to get involved SOMETI
Speaker 1: you just have to get involved sometimes and kind of
Speaker 1: change things up a little bit. Hey hold it up, buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: get ahead of her. Been here, I know what to do.
Speaker 1: With you Ezekiel Elliot's out there right. That's what Jimmy
Speaker 1: had to do with Dave Shula that one year. It
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we drafted this guy named Emma
Speaker 1: step Let's let's how long was Dave to him? When
Speaker 1: he leave? Two years? Was horrible? Right? N Taylor? Lawrence
Speaker 1: Taylor said that the game plan looked it was so simple.
Speaker 1: He thought it was a trick. The offensive game The
Speaker 1: offensive game plan was a trick. You remember that. You
Speaker 1: don't remember that, do you? Oh? No, I do I
Speaker 1: remember that. That was the game I got cussed out
Speaker 1: by Jimmy Johnson. I remember the last game of the
Speaker 1: season when he got He yelled at everybody, the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and the strength coach Bob Ward, because you weren't
Speaker 1: strong enough. They had the ball like three times inside
Speaker 1: the five yard light and couldn't score. They ended up
Speaker 1: with field goals or are they attempted on for And
Speaker 1: he said it's because they won. They weren't strong enough.
Speaker 1: I gotta be stronger. We need a stronger team, man,
Speaker 1: just basic. You know, ABC one team had a great
Speaker 1: way of deflecting what really happened in the game. I've
Speaker 1: been deflecting his lack of knowledge of of being a
Speaker 1: game player. Why did he cut you out? Well, I
Speaker 1: was taking up of my players, and you know, the
Speaker 1: big lineman were like, hey man, we are tired. Let's
Speaker 1: let's take this Giants game. We played this Giants game.
Speaker 1: You give us some risks, we'll be okay. So like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm mister stupid captain. Hey coach, they said they need
Speaker 1: some rest. He goes, okay, I'm gonna give him some rest.
Speaker 1: We gave him rest, and we still got blown out,
Speaker 1: and they looked at me like, hey, see what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about it you idiot. So I never took up
Speaker 1: for anybody else again as a captain. And I was like, nope,
Speaker 1: you guys aren't using me. It was the quote you
Speaker 1: use the other day, Fatigue makes cowards of us. All.
Speaker 1: I remember that I was the ninety game up there.
Speaker 1: I think that's a Lombardy is it. I think it's
Speaker 1: Lombardi quote. I think it was the ninety game up
Speaker 1: there against the Giants and they got dominated, right, And
Speaker 1: so to deflect I was happening in the game. Yes,
Speaker 1: I remember, to deflect what happens in the game. Jimmy
Speaker 1: was all over the officials, and I think they blew
Speaker 1: a call or two in his mind, and he came
Speaker 1: up with the greatest line. He goes, since my daddy
Speaker 1: told me this was a football, and they blew it
Speaker 1: up with air. I've never seen anything like that in
Speaker 1: my life. Wow, that's a nice little rigin yea and yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and so that's what everybody wrote. Trust he
Speaker 1: called that game. We weren't losing that yeah, right, that
Speaker 1: was that Super Bowl year. Were not losing that game,
Speaker 1: and not to that team and not to that team.
Speaker 1: And I think before ninety three, I don't think Emmy
Speaker 1: had a hundred yards on us. I don't think he
Speaker 1: ever had a hundred until that that ninety three game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he played with the shoulder game one that was
Speaker 1: hanging off. Yeah, we kind of what kind of quisted
Speaker 1: him about a c joyce lest did you what he said?
Speaker 1: We laughed, and he goes, what do you guys trying
Speaker 1: to say? What's his what's his opinion on the ac
Speaker 1: joint injury? It could be very painful, but he didn't
Speaker 1: have to hit. His point was I didn't have to
Speaker 1: throw the ball, right, Yeah, So that that way you
Speaker 1: can you can tie it down. Yeah, he was, like
Speaker 1: I said, but you had to fall on it, and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, falling on it's fine, you know, but
Speaker 1: I didn't have it. That's fine because every time he
Speaker 1: fell on him he had to sell some real to
Speaker 1: get back up. Were helping him up. Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 1: He was ready to go again. But as he said,
Speaker 1: good thing we won that game when we got to
Speaker 1: buy and I had two weeks between games. Well they
Speaker 1: had to play again. Yeah that sounds familiar. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: if they can win this game, Dak Prescott, maybe you
Speaker 1: can take a break. And we said two weeks we'll
Speaker 1: see Cooper rush. No stop, not this week. That's that's
Speaker 1: not the goal. Put that out there. Yeah, we've never
Speaker 1: saidn't want to talk about that. All right, let's take
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Speaker 1: left in the show. Oh, it's gonna be a warm
Speaker 1: front in Philadelphia. Oh did you got the weather report?
Speaker 1: It's twenty degrees right now, Whiladelphia feel feel like it's
Speaker 1: seventeen but Sunday, Sunday it says partly sunny, forty seven
Speaker 1: high and a low of thirty one. So basically Chicago
Speaker 1: a couple weeks, Nah, that's Chicago was worse than that
Speaker 1: right now? This last time, yeah, it was, it was
Speaker 1: actually okay, it was Oh you mean the Chicago Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks when Cowboys went up there. Cowboys,
Speaker 1: So you said Cowboys Chicago was was just like that
Speaker 1: was the exactly th worst. It got windy, gody once
Speaker 1: the game got GOODU. Yeah, you should imagine that they'll
Speaker 1: take that man. Anything better than New England a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. That was unbelievable, six inches of snows
Speaker 1: better than New England. I don't think we'll ever have
Speaker 1: to worry about that this year. No, I think they're
Speaker 1: even we go through the playoffs Yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be mostly West Coast teams, right, and if it's a yeah,
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't if you're the division winner, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: go to Minnesota if they're the other wild card team
Speaker 1: unless everybody else gets wiped out, right, So Seattle, San Francisco,
Speaker 1: who am I forgetting? Um? Green Bay? Green Bay? Yeah? Fortunately? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you are the division winner, as you just said,
Speaker 1: if they are, they will repeat as division champs for
Speaker 1: the first time in fifteen years oh three, oh four?
Speaker 1: How there were many years that is, and Philly did it.
Speaker 1: Philly did it to No. Four. They actually they won
Speaker 1: it four years in a row. Yeah, and oh four
Speaker 1: was the last time. So no one has done it
Speaker 1: since dog Days. Dog Days. Yeah they were yeah, oh
Speaker 1: yeah pre pre Bill Bill Bill got him there in
Speaker 1: oh three, he got him in the playoffs. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was the greatest coaching job better with that offense.
Speaker 1: Pretty rough. So, I mean, I haven't looked at other
Speaker 1: divisions to you know, see what if that's an anomaly?
Speaker 1: How how difficult it is to repeat in divisions? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously the Patriots have done it, other teams like Seattle
Speaker 1: have done it, but it just shows the parody in
Speaker 1: the NFL these days, I think, and in this division, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at if you look at
Speaker 1: what was happening in the in the nineties, I mean
Speaker 1: it was Washington, the Alliance, and the Cowboys. That was
Speaker 1: basically it through. I mean, the Cowboys won the division
Speaker 1: from ninety two through ninety six and then they wanted
Speaker 1: in ninety eight, finished eight eight ninety nine. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they were dominating the division. No one else was getting
Speaker 1: in their way. And East Room dominating super Bowl Yes,
Speaker 1: super Bowls. So NFC East was the I mean they
Speaker 1: were always know as the pillow of the entire league.
Speaker 1: It was always known as that, not just because the
Speaker 1: Cowboy Lord, Tom Legend winning and Jimmy Johnson, all those guys.
Speaker 1: It was just all we were. We were that that team.
Speaker 1: We were we were that team. We were consistent, consistently
Speaker 1: the best. But now people want to realign the playoff
Speaker 1: for that because of this season bad bad in NFC. Well,
Speaker 1: nine and seven was the worst record that anybody's had
Speaker 1: to win the East and it happened twice in uh
Speaker 1: this decade. Actually, the Giants, and I believe it was
Speaker 1: Washington and the Giants went to the Super Bowl. By
Speaker 1: the way, well, super Bowl Bill will be back on
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