Speaker 1: Today, we have legendary comedian I'm a huge fan. He's
Speaker 1: the host of Serious XM's What a Joke? Tom Papa
Speaker 1: and Studio Jack.
Speaker 2: Can you op me with my math phone?
Speaker 1: We're no, I'm not giving you the answers.
Speaker 2: Then I'm in the bathroom on YouTube? How do you
Speaker 2: add fractions with different bottoms?
Speaker 1: We are covering Super Bowl twenty five, the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: versus the legendary New York Giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a stacked team.
Speaker 1: Do you ever perform in Buffalo?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the city.
Speaker 2: I didn't go back this game watching my tiny apartment
Speaker 2: on this tiny TV. It's just so memorable, and.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of every super Bowl I was in.
Speaker 2: It seemed like this was gonna be Buffalo's night.
Speaker 1: It gets down all the way to those last kick.
Speaker 2: No one was in their seat. We were just lying
Speaker 2: on the ground, holding each other, not looking just so insane.
Speaker 2: We're gonna lose, like there's no part of you that
Speaker 2: thinks he's gonna miss it?
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Speaker 1: Giants versus the Buffalo Bills. And we speak with old
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Speaker 1: New York sports fandom. We get into his old green
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, Tampa Stadium, Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 2: The New York Football Giants are leading the Bills twenty
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Speaker 1: With eight seconds left, Scott Norwood lines up for the
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Speaker 1: E a sports that was awesome. Welcome to Games with Names,
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Speaker 1: and studio legendary comedian. I'm a huge fan his latest book,
Speaker 1: We're All in It Together, So Make Room is out now.
Speaker 1: He's the host of serious XMS what a joke and
Speaker 1: catch him on a tour in a city near you. Tom,
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming to the studio.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.
Speaker 1: No, and I got to introduce you to Jack and Kyler.
Speaker 4: They're part of our almost kids.
Speaker 2: Nice to see you.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that keep this thing going. You know,
Speaker 1: what are you up to these days?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just coming home after the tour. It was
Speaker 2: it went really really hard from all year, but particularly
Speaker 2: like September through right now, just slamming everywhere.
Speaker 1: How many shows?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: You know I never added up. Yeah, because that's my
Speaker 2: kind of my philosophy in life. Don't do the math.
Speaker 2: Don't add up how many more days are going to
Speaker 2: see your parents? Don't add up how many times you're
Speaker 2: the road. I on my website, I have a map
Speaker 2: and it puts the little dots of where I'm going.
Speaker 2: I don't even like seeing that. I just like to
Speaker 2: knock him off as thing as they come. But from
Speaker 2: September till now every weekend and then a bunch of
Speaker 2: dates in between during the weeks. Yeah, So it's been
Speaker 2: really it's been great. I mean, all playing all these
Speaker 2: great theaters and it's been amazing, but it's good to
Speaker 2: be home.
Speaker 1: That life's gotta be tough. I mean I became real
Speaker 1: close with Sam Morow and we did our first season
Speaker 1: together of games with names Yeah and scheduling for yeah
Speaker 1: with a comedian who's full tie. And that's part of
Speaker 1: your guys job, that's your reps. That's how you guys
Speaker 1: prepare for when you're getting your big shit. And I've
Speaker 1: kind of learned that through Sam.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he would go every night to the cellar
Speaker 1: and then he would go do the tour thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tough way of living. Man. You guys really
Speaker 1: gotta love it or you gotta be fucked up in
Speaker 1: the head.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You gotta treat it. You gotta treat it with respect
Speaker 2: because it Actually when I was kind of really starting
Speaker 2: to go on tour, I was having that conversation with
Speaker 2: my uncle and he said a thing which I always kept,
Speaker 2: which is, you have to treat this like an athlete,
Speaker 2: Like you really have to do all the things, get
Speaker 2: your sleep, get your exercise, eat right. You can't just
Speaker 2: go out there. Then there are guys that do it.
Speaker 2: They just drink after shows and do whatever, and it's
Speaker 2: like that'll kill you. So I really just kind of
Speaker 2: took it really seriously. And it's in summer. The travels hard,
Speaker 2: but what a blessing. Like you're in this room with
Speaker 2: people and everyone's just laughing every single night. It's pretty fortunate.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a way of catching your high, you know,
Speaker 1: like a comedian loves to get that laugh. Athlete loves
Speaker 1: the high of competing. And why we're here. We're here
Speaker 1: to talk about one of the most legendary competitions in
Speaker 1: the National Football League that springboarded as so many storyries
Speaker 1: and coaches and like livelihoods of the game. And it's
Speaker 1: the matchup of Super Bowl twenty five between the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills and what number was this on theirs? This number four,
Speaker 1: the one this first kicked off, kicked off the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills versus the legendary New York Jets lt New York
Speaker 1: Jets wide right. Bill Peller sells New York.
Speaker 4: Jets Giants, New York Giants.
Speaker 1: What are we doing giants?
Speaker 3: That's like bizarro world NFL.
Speaker 1: Well, it technically was true with Parcels. He was a
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 2: Jets didn't go no.
Speaker 1: But we are doing the wide right game. Why did
Speaker 1: you pick this game?
Speaker 4: Tom?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 4: Why are we going this route?
Speaker 2: I am a Giants fan, which is very tough to
Speaker 2: say right now in this current year. I yeah, it
Speaker 2: is pretty great. It is so great. It actually is
Speaker 2: kind of interesting, like when we'll get into it, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: but Hofstetler, who filled in for Phil Simms and takes
Speaker 2: them to this victory, he's kind of a Dovido kind
Speaker 2: of a guy, like, you know, knocked around. He's just
Speaker 2: a sub and then he just finds himself in this
Speaker 2: crazy fortunate position.
Speaker 1: Literally.
Speaker 2: So I love the Giants. I was I was out
Speaker 2: of school. I grew up in New Jersey. I went
Speaker 2: to school in New Jersey. And this is even before
Speaker 2: I was a comedian. I think this is like ninety
Speaker 2: one or ninety two, and I graduated in ninety So
Speaker 2: I'm living in an apartment with my girlfriend and I'm
Speaker 2: a Giants fan. And we went to school in like
Speaker 2: Central Jersey where it was all Eagle fans and Giant fans.
Speaker 2: So we're all like scrapping and all just like it was.
Speaker 2: It was such prime time for watching football, you know,
Speaker 2: and this game watching my tiny apartment on this tiny
Speaker 2: TV with my buddies, a couple of season ticket holders
Speaker 2: was it's just so memorable. It's so insane because as
Speaker 2: a Giant fan, every team that we've had, even the
Speaker 2: ones that win the Super Bowl, yeah, they're always they
Speaker 2: have talented guys and whatever, but they're always something a
Speaker 2: little off. They were always a little ragtag. They're like,
Speaker 2: there's a are they gonna make it? They could. It
Speaker 2: almost feels like we shouldn't be getting as far as
Speaker 2: we are each time.
Speaker 1: I mean the Tumblins Super Bowls that he was on
Speaker 1: the hot seat before both the Sea the seasons literally
Speaker 1: both times, like it was like a dumpster fire and
Speaker 1: then they got hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they got hot out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And then they get that toughness. I mean there's something
Speaker 1: about the New York Football Giants that you know, they
Speaker 1: they when they turn it on and they got it going,
Speaker 1: especially with these Parcels teams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 1: They had a formula of how to win and it
Speaker 1: was displayed in this game especially. Yeah, tough defense, control
Speaker 1: the game, eat the I mean backup quarterback, use the
Speaker 1: run game, use the players around us that we know
Speaker 1: what their strengths are, and not put them in a
Speaker 1: buying by trying to fucking let's not go five wide
Speaker 1: and throw and you know we can't win that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is this is a cool game because it
Speaker 1: was like that tough defense versus that run and shoot
Speaker 1: style offense that the Bills were running at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Bills were, I mean, Kelly was
Speaker 2: so legit. Thomas right, yeah, oh my god. I mean
Speaker 2: like they seemed like the army that was going to
Speaker 2: win it, and the Giants are like, maybe something will
Speaker 2: happen and we'll win it.
Speaker 1: And they kind of the Giants kind of sneaked into
Speaker 1: this one beating my San Francisco, Francisco right forty nine
Speaker 1: ers on that fumble by Roger Craig. Yeah, we would
Speaker 1: a three peat. We're going for three peat.
Speaker 3: We were going for the three peat fourteen to two,
Speaker 3: fourteen two too.
Speaker 1: And I would always bring that up to Belichick. Yoh really,
Speaker 1: like in the cafeteria line or something that, you know,
Speaker 1: when I got gained some courage to talk to him. Huh,
Speaker 1: Like Bill Man, you know, Roger craiganill fumble that ball,
Speaker 1: we'd have three in a row. It's a fucking niners.
Speaker 1: You guys, fast team, they got dudes, hit him, you
Speaker 1: get all so bad, he's still mad. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, dude, you guys won you want it all? Right?
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to be able to
Speaker 2: do that with him?
Speaker 4: Seven years?
Speaker 1: And no, but this is this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: fun game to jump in, jump into.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's remarkable when you look at Sorry to
Speaker 2: cut you off, but it's remarkable when you look at
Speaker 2: the game in this era. Yeah, it looks so different.
Speaker 2: It was they just I mean, their body types are different.
Speaker 2: They just kind of they look like guys that like
Speaker 2: like truck drivers that happen to play football, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I mean the information and the resources and
Speaker 1: and just the technology of you know, and the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, money makes every everything crazier. And with this
Speaker 1: huge got this huge beast they call the NFL, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a bigger and bigger product. And and you know,
Speaker 1: guys learned from these guys and then you know, back
Speaker 1: like I always tell people, it was like folklore to
Speaker 1: hear about what Jerry Rice did as as a trainer,
Speaker 1: how he would train in the off season. You heard
Speaker 1: about it. You didn't know exactly what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nowadays you can go, you can go anywhere at the
Speaker 1: tip of your fingertips. You can watch your favorite football
Speaker 1: player train, you can watch you know, and so like
Speaker 1: you get these little gym ratches.
Speaker 4: Little guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make themselves little, you know, it's how it
Speaker 1: naturally goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all sport, It's just everything's rising, everything's rising. Amazing.
Speaker 4: Now, how did you.
Speaker 1: Start your fandom with with the New York Football Giants?
Speaker 1: I mean, Jersey guy, you're in mid Jersey. I was
Speaker 1: North Jersey.
Speaker 2: So you're near the city, near the city, about a
Speaker 2: half hour outside the city and in that in that area.
Speaker 2: It I'm a Yankee fan. My grandfather was a grew
Speaker 2: up in like Hoboke and like during the Mickey Mantle
Speaker 2: like the era. So he got me into the Yankees.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's the thing that makes
Speaker 2: you go this way, but the way it works in
Speaker 2: the New York metropolitan area is it's Yankees, Giants, Yankees Giants, Rangers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Mets Jets on the other side, Yeah, the Long Island
Speaker 2: guys that side of New York Mets Jets. And so
Speaker 2: I was Yankees Giants and just love them forever. I
Speaker 2: went to one Jet game with my father at Chase Stadium,
Speaker 2: at the old Chase Stadium, and we had to drive
Speaker 2: like from New Jersey through the city to Shay and
Speaker 2: sit up in the nosebleed and watch the Jets and
Speaker 2: they were terrible. And we drove home and both my
Speaker 2: father and I were like, We'll never do this again.
Speaker 2: And my family, like my father and my grandparents and
Speaker 2: my mother, they all grew up just about ten miles
Speaker 2: from Giants Stadium, Clifton, New Jersey, that whole area, So
Speaker 2: that was just that was just deep deep inside all
Speaker 2: of us. And then so I'm in high school watching
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor and Phil Simms and all the I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just and lt lived in the town that
Speaker 2: I went to high school, so it was just like
Speaker 2: legend legendary status. We had no idea.
Speaker 4: Did you ever see anything?
Speaker 1: No, you just hear anything, yeah, like he would.
Speaker 2: Just it wasn't We weren't getting any of the dark
Speaker 2: stuff that came out later.
Speaker 1: You thought about you were you I didn't come out.
Speaker 1: That wasn't out there.
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't out there yet, not for us, Like.
Speaker 1: If I was like a twelve year old and LT
Speaker 1: lived on my block. I'd sit like see if he
Speaker 1: was bringing it, what he was doing, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like people would see him like, you know, just
Speaker 2: stopping in at stores or stuff like that. But he
Speaker 2: was so crazy dominant. It was just just knowing that
Speaker 2: he lived in the same town was like all of
Speaker 2: us walked around like we were LT, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like it was really so intense. And then
Speaker 2: my my football coach in high school, he got to
Speaker 2: work on the staff of the Giants when like I
Speaker 2: was a freshman, and he always told this great story.
Speaker 2: He was a great coach Filado. He was this really
Speaker 2: just gregarious Italian guy and we all just loved him.
Speaker 2: He was just super cool. And he was working on
Speaker 2: the staff like during the summer at the Giants and
Speaker 2: he came in he was just all like all upset
Speaker 2: with himself and were like, coach, what's the matter, what's
Speaker 2: going on? He goes, Oh, it was terrible. I was
Speaker 2: because Parcels lived in the same area as LT. I
Speaker 2: think he lived in our town or like one town over.
Speaker 2: And they're having the meeting and they're doing all the
Speaker 2: stuff and working and my coach like, just you know
Speaker 2: when you're around someone famous and you kind of freak
Speaker 2: out and you just blurt something out. He was just like,
Speaker 2: if you ever need a ride home? I coach up
Speaker 2: up right in your town. And Parcels looked at him
Speaker 2: a ride home and just like looked away. And my coach,
Speaker 2: you know, your football coach is like he's like a god, right,
Speaker 2: so my god is just being destroyed by a bigger god.
Speaker 2: He was so humiliated. He's like, what did I do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I can only imagine those like those
Speaker 1: New Yorkers and those like those little Borough City people
Speaker 1: and those Jersey people. They love the Giants. Oh, they
Speaker 1: they cherish anything those people do and every part of SLLS.
Speaker 1: What do you think I need a fucking ride home?
Speaker 1: What do you My coach was like, oh.
Speaker 4: I can see him.
Speaker 1: I don't know him, but I can see him doing
Speaker 1: that just through how I know Bill and I've seen
Speaker 1: them in act.
Speaker 4: I can see how.
Speaker 1: Smart. How would you describe your football career?
Speaker 2: I was a New York Giant when I was in
Speaker 2: like the league before high school, and uh, we had
Speaker 2: all the Giant colors and the Giants Gavis uniforms and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I'm the same size. I was the same size in
Speaker 2: sixth grade that I am now. So I was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was for a while. I was a beast,
Speaker 2: and so I started out on the line. My father
Speaker 2: was a really good player. He went to Clifton High
Speaker 2: School back in the day where like the pictures are insane.
Speaker 2: It's like five thousand people for a high school game,
Speaker 2: all in hats. And I was very tough and he
Speaker 2: took them to state championship a couple of times. And
Speaker 2: he was just like dominant, like strong, strong guy. So
Speaker 2: he coached me my whole life. So from kindergarten through
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 4: Coach.
Speaker 2: He was tough, he wouldn't he not. Yeah, he was tough,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't like the coaches that get like abusive,
Speaker 2: like grab your face mask. Yeah yeah. He would just
Speaker 2: be more like he had this quiet intensity, so like
Speaker 2: he just came up and was like what are you doing,
Speaker 2: You'd be like, uh, you know, you'd shake. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: didn't have to like really go after your dad?
Speaker 1: Did that?
Speaker 2: Is he a coach for you long time?
Speaker 1: I coach my whole life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he it was.
Speaker 1: I mean there's some some funny documentary stuff out there.
Speaker 2: Oh really, no.
Speaker 4: My dad was just very tough on.
Speaker 1: Me, and I was like, I was like a wild kid,
Speaker 1: and I was a very I would if you challenge me,
Speaker 1: I was going to challenge you back. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to prove him wrong and like you
Speaker 1: how to handle me. I needed to be handled like.
Speaker 2: That, right right.
Speaker 4: He was tough on me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and then you had to be broken
Speaker 2: down a little bit.
Speaker 1: He had to break me, Yeah, had to break me,
Speaker 1: but he never did. I tried. I charged him ount
Speaker 1: on him once we were doing VP before a game.
Speaker 2: Oh really Yeah, he threw.
Speaker 1: At me because I was dipping my shoulder and he
Speaker 1: threw at me. He hit me like I jumped up
Speaker 1: and hit my ankle. I threw my bat and out.
Speaker 1: I went in charge of me. Hit me once, really
Speaker 1: hit me and I was on the ground.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to head butt them and stuff.
Speaker 2: That's great. I think I had the opposite, Like my
Speaker 2: father wanted me to be more like you. My father
Speaker 2: wanted me to be more intense, and I was. I
Speaker 2: was also the class clown, you know, like I was
Speaker 2: a good athlete, but I was also the class I.
Speaker 4: Was though I thought it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, but I yeah, so it's cool though.
Speaker 2: I mean overall, did you think the experience of having
Speaker 2: your dad coach you all those years was.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be where I'm at without it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean it was a different time,
Speaker 1: different generation, had no one to learn from his. He
Speaker 1: didn't really have a dad, so like, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: he thought was right, making it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah it was tough, but I had a great life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has a hard worker, great example and.
Speaker 2: It's the best. Yeah, it's a cool thing. Like when
Speaker 2: you know everyone's there on the team, but your dad's there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was pretty He was the worst, the worst.
Speaker 4: Like they'd be like your dad as a coach.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you can go home and hit
Speaker 1: me if I don't have a good practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys get to last. You guys get to
Speaker 2: go eat with normal people.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after this quick break. No, you
Speaker 1: played some sports an athlete, and like you said, you're
Speaker 1: a class clown. How did when did you know you
Speaker 1: were a stand up comic? When did you know you
Speaker 1: were a comedian? When were you going to pursue that.
Speaker 2: Like seventh grade. Seventh Yeah, like seventh grade, I got.
Speaker 1: You, just loved the laugh made you.
Speaker 2: I loved I was funny. I was always funny. And
Speaker 2: then seventh grade was when I found out that it
Speaker 2: was a job for adults. That's like when I learned
Speaker 2: about Steve Martin and George Carlin. Was like, oh my man,
Speaker 2: like grown people, this is their job. And so at
Speaker 2: that point, I was just like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do that. I just knew it. I just knew I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm going after that. So everything kind of went
Speaker 2: that way. But I was an athlete too, so you know,
Speaker 2: I just I played like crazy, and I was also
Speaker 2: really funny. I was just kind of I remember a
Speaker 2: guy on the line, Joe Melendez, who were out there
Speaker 2: and I'm running warm up and I'm getting people's face
Speaker 2: because they're just kind of slacking, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was the captain and I'm yelling at everybody to I'm
Speaker 2: yelling at my friend Joe to get his shit together,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm sorry, I just you got to
Speaker 2: give me a minute to adjust. You were just making
Speaker 2: us laugh until I was crying in the locker room.
Speaker 2: And now you're my boss, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Give me a minute to shift gears here.
Speaker 1: But Joe Melendez, Melendez, it's called fucking leadership. You gotta
Speaker 1: get them on their high you gotta cut them down.
Speaker 2: They're low, that's right. So I but so I always knew,
Speaker 2: and like I said, I was this size. So I
Speaker 2: had pretty decent high school. I ran full back, and
Speaker 2: but I knew that was it, Like I could have.
Speaker 2: My father wanted me to play Division III, but I
Speaker 2: was done. I knew it was and I knew I
Speaker 2: was going to be a comedian. So I went to
Speaker 2: a school that didn't have football and uh, but had
Speaker 2: but had theater.
Speaker 1: What's cool? Rider?
Speaker 2: Where's that in Jersey? Mid Jersey, said jer Yeah, with
Speaker 2: all the Eagle fans. Yeah. And the writer I always
Speaker 2: say is uh. Its distinction is that it's down the
Speaker 2: road from Princeton. Yeah, you know, it's not the best school,
Speaker 2: but it was. It was good to me, and they
Speaker 2: had a theater department and no football. So I went
Speaker 2: there to get my degree.
Speaker 1: Princeton it's like the birthplace of football, Yeah, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Princeton Yale? I think you're right first football game ever?
Speaker 1: Was it? Rutgers Rutgers? Rutgers Rutgers in Princeton, Princeton Rutgers
Speaker 1: the first football game ever?
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know Rutgers was that old.
Speaker 1: So you went, you go to writer any did you
Speaker 1: did you have any other comedians with you? No, You're
Speaker 1: the only one there anyone else in the class? Or
Speaker 1: how does that work?
Speaker 2: In?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You were there to study communications. The agreement was that
Speaker 2: I would get a degree, and I think it was
Speaker 2: it was smart because I, you know, meet a lot
Speaker 2: of comedians that don't know how to make a phone call,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like it was it was
Speaker 2: a good deal. And I just dove into the theater.
Speaker 2: I was just in all the plays and I just
Speaker 2: took up. I did all my athletics stuff went into theater.
Speaker 2: So I was just going balls out, getting the leads
Speaker 2: in the plays and doing whatever I could. And then
Speaker 2: as soon as that I graduated, I went to New
Speaker 2: York or like, I lived in Jersey with my girlfriend
Speaker 2: during this game and then moved closer to the city
Speaker 2: and then started doing open mics and stuff, and then
Speaker 2: that was it. On June twelfth, nineteen ninety three, it
Speaker 2: was my first stand up three. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You just you get up. You're done with school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got some good parts, got some experience, got to
Speaker 1: meet some good people, hone down some skills. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to New York City. Let's fucking try it out.
Speaker 2: Let's go do it. Let's go do it. Yeah, And that's.
Speaker 1: That's you gotta have some faith in yourself, like anyone
Speaker 1: that has a good story, right, I mean all the
Speaker 1: I've been blessed, unfortunate enough to meet so many different
Speaker 1: people in so many different fields. Yeah, and it's about
Speaker 1: taking that shot. Yeah, you know, and and believing in yourself.
Speaker 1: That is the common thing that goes into all the stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's they're in different ways, but it's it's always
Speaker 1: good to hear that, you know.
Speaker 2: But like you like, looking back and you tell the story,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it seems like, okay, then I
Speaker 2: win for it. But it just once the idea gets
Speaker 2: in your brain, you're just like it's just you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: You're just you don't even think of it, like right,
Speaker 2: like I'm making five dollars a night doing stand up.
Speaker 2: In the beginning, I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like now this version, thinking back on that is like,
Speaker 2: how did you survive?
Speaker 1: I put it puts you in perspective, sure, just because
Speaker 1: you know what it took to get to where you're at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know all those little things. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's almost like you can't stop it, like what you
Speaker 2: were that you had to be that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I also I'm very thankful because a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, like my passion just so happened to like
Speaker 1: go with my talent. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: have a passion for something, but they don't they're not
Speaker 1: necessarily and that's something. They're talent field or they're talented
Speaker 1: as something, but they don't love it, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's the tough you know, that's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they never find it.
Speaker 1: They never find it. You're on a search for something.
Speaker 2: So so how did at what age were you like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to give this up.
Speaker 1: I was in a different situation where I was always
Speaker 1: like having to prove myself, Like I always thought I
Speaker 1: was the best dude on the field, and I always
Speaker 1: like I literally thought that anytime I stepped off field.
Speaker 1: But like it was always oh there's this guy and
Speaker 1: then you're not that big, right, and I always ball out.
Speaker 1: There's always an excuse for why there was someone else,
Speaker 1: and like so it kind of manipulated my mind not
Speaker 1: to think.
Speaker 4: Of like the future future.
Speaker 1: I was like always so focused on like fuck that
Speaker 1: You're always working at what was on your plate, and
Speaker 1: every step of the way, you know there was something
Speaker 1: like that. You know, it wasn't enough to play college quarterback,
Speaker 1: this didn't have a position in the pros. So there's
Speaker 1: always something that like tricked my mind into the competition
Speaker 1: mode where you thought about it, but it gave you
Speaker 1: a a direction.
Speaker 2: To go right just knocking them out as you go
Speaker 2: along trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you get knocked out a lot more.
Speaker 1: You can knock them out. You know, you're out in
Speaker 1: New York, you're out, fresh out of college and you're
Speaker 1: hitting these clubs. Life is great, probably in New York nineties,
Speaker 1: probably crazy fun.
Speaker 4: When did when did you.
Speaker 1: First have like your first break or or like where
Speaker 1: someone saw you or you met a friend, or you're
Speaker 1: in a comedy club with someone and they you know,
Speaker 1: like there's always that one thing, Yeah, where like that's
Speaker 1: when you started really making it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. I always say that my biggest break
Speaker 2: was when I met Seinfeld.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he came into the clubs after his show
Speaker 2: was done, and there's this one two day, two night
Speaker 2: period where I was on stage when he came to check.
Speaker 2: He was just he came back and he was just
Speaker 2: checking out the scene before he went up again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was just checking out the club and seeing what
Speaker 2: it was all about. And I was on stage two
Speaker 2: nights in a row. I saw him walk in. While
Speaker 2: I was on stage, you could see through the window
Speaker 2: at Stand Up New York in the Upper West Side,
Speaker 2: and I saw him come in and uh, Like this
Speaker 2: second night, I was like through new stuffs, show him
Speaker 2: that I had other stuff, and I came off and
Speaker 2: he's like, you're really funny. I was like, and you
Speaker 2: just started a conversation at the bar, and I grabbed
Speaker 2: onto his coattails and didn't let go. And when he
Speaker 2: was he was so huge at that moment, and him
Speaker 2: giving me his endorsement just made everybody else, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: let's stick another look at Tom. Because at the time
Speaker 2: I was like trying to break into late night was
Speaker 2: I had some little stuff, but I was like hadn't
Speaker 2: really broken through and the validation I got from other
Speaker 2: people from his endorsement, and also then he took me
Speaker 2: on tour with him, just I just soaked it in
Speaker 2: like a sponge. He worked the way that I worked.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a comedian that was just getting high and drinking.
Speaker 2: I rode all the time. I was really dedicated to
Speaker 2: like this craft of it. But it wasn't until I
Speaker 2: met him that it validated that my way of working
Speaker 2: was a way to work. So I just I learned
Speaker 2: how to carry yourself as a comedian, as a man,
Speaker 2: as a I just got so much from him that
Speaker 2: that was really the biggest break.
Speaker 1: What makes what makes Seinfeld so special? What are some
Speaker 1: of the things that he may have taught you as
Speaker 1: a lesson or some of the things you just picked up,
Speaker 1: like because you said you prepare like him? Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: what are it like me being around Tom Brady? Like
Speaker 1: I learned on how to take care of like without
Speaker 1: him saying ship if you just if you, if you're
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be around someone who's succeeded in your
Speaker 1: your field, you could just pick things up and I
Speaker 1: would take like how he would take care of his body,
Speaker 1: you know, compartmentalizing like life and you know, professional like
Speaker 1: there are little things you what were some of the
Speaker 1: things you learned from see what made him special?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there's so much. I mean, they're not there,
Speaker 2: they're not trying to teach you. But if you want
Speaker 2: to learn, just hang around these guys and you really
Speaker 2: start picking it all up.
Speaker 1: Like if I allow you to hang around, they're teaching you.
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of yea. Yeah, good, that's what I
Speaker 1: always That's how I Yeah, when when like a stud, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I would always try to. I always hung around
Speaker 1: with the studs of the team or other players when
Speaker 1: there's like training areas in the off season. I see
Speaker 1: where Larry Fitzgerald was.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be around him.
Speaker 1: I want to see what the fuck he was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Larry Fitzgerald. I have a funny quick story.
Speaker 2: I got to play in the All Star Game for
Speaker 2: the Major League Baseball. You know they do the the
Speaker 2: celebrity and old timers. I guess. So I got to
Speaker 2: play on the softball team and I had this TV
Speaker 2: show at the time, and I got to do it,
Speaker 2: and we played in Arizona, and I'm in the outfield
Speaker 2: and I'm freaking out. You know, I don't really play baseball,
Speaker 2: but I'm in my little uniform. That Bernie Williams locker
Speaker 2: room is next to mine, and I'm all like freaked out.
Speaker 2: And if it's Gerald gets up and smacks one right
Speaker 2: to me and I come running in and I catch
Speaker 2: it and I'm like so excited, and the whole place
Speaker 2: boos me because it's his hometown.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, she and that ball come off a
Speaker 1: bat when you haven't seen it in a while and
Speaker 1: having to judge it that little thing you probably show,
Speaker 1: Yeah I got it, I did it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's crazy. So that's a great way to
Speaker 2: put it, though, if they let you hang around, it
Speaker 2: really is. So I learned. The biggest thing was that
Speaker 2: I learned that comedy is this you're funny, and it's
Speaker 2: so kind of it's kind of like this wild bull.
Speaker 2: It's like, what is this thing? Like you just kind
Speaker 2: of like get up and guys. People do it in
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. And the thing I learned
Speaker 2: from him was that, no, this is a craft and
Speaker 2: you can get better at it, but you got to
Speaker 2: work your ass off to get better at it. And
Speaker 2: you got to really dedicate the time and put it
Speaker 2: in and write all the time and get up on
Speaker 2: stage all the time and go back to work. And
Speaker 2: we're not here to hang out and chase girls and
Speaker 2: get drunk. We're here to get good. So this is
Speaker 2: all about writing, dedicating yourself to this craft, and that
Speaker 2: if you take care of that craft, it's going to
Speaker 2: take care of you. And that was the biggest lesson,
Speaker 2: like because I would you know, I did write that way,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of like scattershot. I would write
Speaker 2: and then not write and then just see what happens
Speaker 2: on stage. And once I kind of got that from
Speaker 2: him and saw like what little changes I mean he had.
Speaker 2: He was, you know, one of the biggest stars in
Speaker 2: the world at the time and he's sitting there like
Speaker 2: spending a whole day on changing a sentence. You know.
Speaker 2: It was it was a huge lesson and it calmed
Speaker 2: me down too, you know, I mean, for the for
Speaker 2: the craft, that was the biggest thing I learned from him.
Speaker 2: But just watching him, you know, just watching these guys,
Speaker 2: you know, everything's calculated, like everything is under like they're
Speaker 2: trying to get control of every aspect of their life.
Speaker 2: The way they treat their family when you go home,
Speaker 2: you know, how much you mess around during the day,
Speaker 2: you know, like it was all that little stuff, how
Speaker 2: you treat people, all of it.
Speaker 1: I just I just took it all in professional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A pros pro.
Speaker 2: Pros pro one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: That's that's honestly that.
Speaker 1: I remember I went in the locker room one time
Speaker 1: and or my agent said, you know, don't be heard,
Speaker 1: be seen. Mm hmm, you know, like, don't don't be heard,
Speaker 1: just be seen and just try to collect as much
Speaker 1: as you can from the guys that are in there
Speaker 1: the longest. Yeah, you know, And and that's and that
Speaker 1: goes a long way. And especially nowadays, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how young comics are, but young athletes, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a complete different ball game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, they've had a million followers since they were
Speaker 1: fifteen years old, and they did a backflip and the
Speaker 1: end zone with their high school game. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: on social you know what I mean. Guys come in
Speaker 1: naturally like they think there's something Yeah, when like everyone
Speaker 1: did that in this lucker room.
Speaker 2: Right right exactly, and nobody, nobody.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of and I'm sure it's like that
Speaker 1: for every older generation with the new generation. But yeah,
Speaker 1: getting back to who are some of the younger comedians
Speaker 1: that you know, you let hang around you or you
Speaker 1: you kind of saw and and maybe you've helped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's a lot. It becomes that thing
Speaker 2: where like you don't And it's funny like when we
Speaker 2: talk about those guys weren't out to teach us, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I wasn't really, but I was like, hey, do you
Speaker 2: want to open for me? And just taking them around.
Speaker 2: And then there's this guy Stavros Halkias, you know Stavros.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just watched it.
Speaker 2: He he uh, he opened for me. He was. I
Speaker 2: was one of the first guys to take him on
Speaker 2: the road. He was. I just found him at this
Speaker 2: little Maryland club. I was just doing clubs at the time,
Speaker 2: and they sent me a tape a YouTube link or
Speaker 2: whatever to check out this chubby little guy from Baltimore,
Speaker 2: and I took him under my wing and I just
Speaker 2: he just did my radio show yesterday, awesome, and he
Speaker 2: was talking about how much I helped him, you know,
Speaker 2: during that time. And it's so funny because I just
Speaker 2: loved him. I just thought he was funny. I met
Speaker 2: my family, spent Father's Day with me and my dad once,
Speaker 2: and he was just he was just a super talented
Speaker 2: guy who I liked to be around. And in my mind,
Speaker 2: he went from opening for me and then I don't know,
Speaker 2: three years later he's on Netflix and he's like, dude,
Speaker 2: that was twelve years ago. Like he quietly was hammering
Speaker 2: and doing all the stuff he had to do, some
Speaker 2: of it based off of, you know, me helping him
Speaker 2: out and showing him stuff. And yes, so Stavros is
Speaker 2: like the one I'm proud of right now.
Speaker 1: Young Bucks.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean that's I was an asshole in the locker room.
Speaker 1: But if I saw a kid that was really trying,
Speaker 1: really working his ass off, yeah I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to help him out.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, because I remember.
Speaker 1: Being that kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I needed that.
Speaker 1: And there's guys that you know, looked out for me,
Speaker 1: and there's guys or assholes me. Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: I was more of an accounting I made you accountable, asshole.
Speaker 1: You know, you were a fucking slap dick, and he
Speaker 1: thought you're ship isn't sinking the fucking room. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. All right, dude, we we went before you.
Speaker 1: We don't need you, you know, right. Yeah, So, you
Speaker 1: know that's one thing that that you can always you know,
Speaker 1: you retire and your your guys' field is so much longer.
Speaker 4: You guys can do it for so long.
Speaker 1: But the one thing even when you guys put it down,
Speaker 1: is that what you gave back to the game or
Speaker 1: the community or you know, that lives, that knowledge lives forever.
Speaker 1: You know, the things that you learn and maybe it
Speaker 1: helps a younger guy and he you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's kind of like your dignity
Speaker 1: to the for me, it's the game. For you, it's
Speaker 1: the yeah, yeah, being you know comic Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, we're all part of this whole like lineage. You know,
Speaker 2: it's the whole thing. Is like you're saying, like the
Speaker 2: whole game like elevating, like it's all becoming. You know,
Speaker 2: we're all just parts of this ongoing story.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And it's cool if you do things right, then people
Speaker 2: still want to hear about you, you know, as you
Speaker 2: as you are, like at a different stage your thing
Speaker 2: is so insane though, because it's so it's shorter, but
Speaker 2: it's so big. It's so if if you're as successful
Speaker 2: as you were, it's such this massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't get to enjoy it. I didn't
Speaker 1: get to enjoy it as much. No, just because you're
Speaker 1: so in it.
Speaker 2: You're working so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're always having to get better and reinvent yourself.
Speaker 1: And after you win, then it gets even harder. And
Speaker 1: every time you win, you just become a bigger and
Speaker 1: bigger target. There's more and more film of you. You
Speaker 1: have to constantly change your game and counter things and
Speaker 1: evolve yourself with the clock the clock of your analysism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of clock, let's turn back the clock and
Speaker 1: we got a segment where we go back to January
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, around the game, the number
Speaker 1: one movie we talked pop culture Home Alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that held up.
Speaker 1: That held up, I mean it still holds up to
Speaker 1: this day. Yeah, my kid loves it. Macaulay Culkin just
Speaker 1: got a star I saw recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Catherine O'Hara. Yeah, it was cool seeing them together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my daughter's favorite Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: We were talking backstage here before this, I thought it
Speaker 3: was a little bit weird. It's still number one movie
Speaker 3: in American We're.
Speaker 1: In January here that it was number one for them a.
Speaker 3: Month after Christmas, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 3: was thinking of it as a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2: Right when did it come out? That's a good question.
Speaker 3: He came out November sixteenth, So.
Speaker 1: It had a nice wow.
Speaker 3: Whoa eighteen million dollar budget mid four hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: eight mil Wow.
Speaker 1: Yep, big horses.
Speaker 2: Asses.
Speaker 4: That was only I was young.
Speaker 1: So when I heard a kid say ass, I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: ko Joe PETI, I mean Marv. Well that was a
Speaker 1: fucking that was awesome. Kindergarten Cop came out around this time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the movie. We were just talking
Speaker 1: about that with Lily the other night. I know, my
Speaker 1: daughter was talking about Kindergarten Cop. We saw a picture
Speaker 1: of Arnold. She goes, oh, he's a police guy in that.
Speaker 4: Movie and a teacher.
Speaker 1: Dancing with the wolves is basically Avatar. Yeah, yeah, Avatar
Speaker 1: in the eighties or the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Costner and then.
Speaker 1: The Godfather three.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Controversy is it good?
Speaker 1: Is it not.
Speaker 2: It's not, it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the golf four started.
Speaker 4: That's always nice.
Speaker 2: I remember my buddy, my buddy from college, actually the
Speaker 2: kid who had the season tickets to the Giants, who
Speaker 2: I watched this game with my buddy, Chris. He made
Speaker 2: me go to dinner with him and he was telling me, Now,
Speaker 2: Chris is fat and loud and uh not the brightest guy.
Speaker 2: And he took me to dinner to tell me that
Speaker 2: if they if they ask him, he's going to go
Speaker 2: fight in the Gulf War. No military background. You can
Speaker 2: knock him over with a feather.
Speaker 4: Were you guys thinking draft coming?
Speaker 2: Maybe I wasn't. He had some fantasy and he was
Speaker 2: ready to go, and I was like, I was. I
Speaker 2: admired his patriotism, but I was like, I think you're
Speaker 2: gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm heating fucking lobster tiale wine. Let's go back
Speaker 1: into the sports world. Baseball Hall of Famer, non Hall
Speaker 1: of famer Pete Rose. He got banned, Yeah, he got banned.
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on that? I love Pete Rose.
Speaker 2: I love Pete Rose too. God, he's so dominant.
Speaker 1: What was he thinking?
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know what is he bored?
Speaker 1: Was he bored? Like? What do you?
Speaker 2: Because he probably he's such a competitor.
Speaker 4: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: I think? So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a that's a sad one because he
Speaker 1: was such a fucking tenacious, just just man out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, who fucking steals home and blows up Catcher
Speaker 1: an All Star Game? Charlie Hustle Baby, Charlie hus NFL MVP.
Speaker 1: Joe Montana, that was my guy. My I had a
Speaker 1: dog named Montana. You did two dogs, Dwighton Montana.
Speaker 2: Well, he was dominant.
Speaker 1: I mean you guys, you probably hated him though.
Speaker 2: I saw LT take him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he broke his back.
Speaker 2: I was at that game. It was in Giant Stadium.
Speaker 2: Was the first LT?
Speaker 4: Was it someone else?
Speaker 1: I think it was who's the other linebacker.
Speaker 2: Carson O?
Speaker 1: Banks? I think it was Banks.
Speaker 2: I thought LT took him out.
Speaker 4: Someone broke his back, but he got folded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that was like the downfall of.
Speaker 2: What maybe confusing LT with thisman.
Speaker 1: He did break thisman's leg.
Speaker 2: He broke everybody. Yeah, he was on cocaine.
Speaker 4: Note to sell, do not do drugs.
Speaker 1: Have you ever see the water boy Bobby Bouche comes
Speaker 1: to talk at LT's camp and he can't talk and
Speaker 1: he goes and that's why you don't do drugs. And
Speaker 1: it's coming from LT. He's the he know for.
Speaker 2: Mountains of Cocaine.
Speaker 4: Oh and the Red sweep.
Speaker 1: The A's in the World Series, man, the A's See
Speaker 1: you got Oakland, got a bad ticket? Yeah, Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: here we come. I know you can't change of colors, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: silver and black would be tough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mowing down some casinos to build the stadium, that's.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2: It would be cool.
Speaker 1: I mean it's good, honestly. I mean, baseball in Vegas
Speaker 1: is gonna be fucking awesome. Yeah. For the hours, you
Speaker 1: probably could have a slot machine at your fucking seat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. You can play Keno on the big board.
Speaker 4: Yeah, bingo.
Speaker 1: We got it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, what was life like for you ninety one?
Speaker 2: Did you say ninety one? You were still in college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just leaving college. I'm living with my girlfriend who's
Speaker 2: still in college. So we went a little north. We
Speaker 2: picked a place. I was working in northern New Jersey
Speaker 2: doing advertising, and she was still going to school. So
Speaker 2: we got this little place, this little tiny place, and
Speaker 2: we lived together there, and uh, yeah, I wasn't you know.
Speaker 2: I think I was still acting. I think I went
Speaker 2: back to school to act in something I did. I
Speaker 2: did another play, and I was just kind of floundering.
Speaker 2: I didn't really I didn't really know what I was
Speaker 2: up to. And I knew what I knew. I wanted
Speaker 2: to be a comedian, but I had no idea, like, ye,
Speaker 2: I never I never met one. I'd never been to
Speaker 2: a comedy club.
Speaker 4: You couldn't google it.
Speaker 2: You couldn't google it, right, you couldn't YouTube it.
Speaker 1: You couldn't find anything now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, insane. So I'm just kind of knocking around,
Speaker 2: getting smoking weed and living with my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Talked earlier about what a wagon. These two teams were
Speaker 3: thirteen and three verse thirteen and three respectively.
Speaker 1: Wow the Bills.
Speaker 3: Starting off with the Bills, we got Bruce Smith on
Speaker 3: a defense one defensive Player of the Year this year
Speaker 3: set the franchise record with nineteen sases. But yep, Fellow
Speaker 3: Hockey like Tyler league's best offense as well, So I
Speaker 3: mean they had getting it done on both sides of
Speaker 3: the ball. Eight No at home, couldn't be beat up
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, Jim Kelly, Thurman, Thomas, Andre Reed, James Lofton.
Speaker 3: I mean it was a it was a star star
Speaker 3: cast that was a kind of favor.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the Buffalo Bills of two years ago
Speaker 1: when they lost to the the Chiefs, because they had
Speaker 1: their defense was like a top ten defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had.
Speaker 1: That's when Dave Ball was still there and they were
Speaker 1: they were fucking they were lighting it up.
Speaker 2: Couldn't beat him at home.
Speaker 3: Largest margin of victory of any team in the NFL
Speaker 3: this season, So, I mean they were they were the
Speaker 3: odds on favorite here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You ever perform in Buffalo?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Once?
Speaker 4: What were your thoughts on the city?
Speaker 2: I didn't go back.
Speaker 1: That says it all Western New York Buffalo.
Speaker 2: It is good. They're good people up there. I was
Speaker 2: just in Syracuse just similar, and you know, they don't
Speaker 2: the sun for like nine months. No, but they're they're
Speaker 2: still happy there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's they're not like they're more Midwest people to
Speaker 1: me than they are East Coast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, because a lot of we used to
Speaker 1: have a lot of at Kent State. A lot of
Speaker 1: kids from Buffalo, Western New York would come to Kent
Speaker 1: State and like these people are from like Midwest is
Speaker 1: completely different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any place that where the weather is that bad
Speaker 2: for that long, Like you have to be good people,
Speaker 2: you do. Like people in Minnesota, Wisconsin. It's like something
Speaker 2: the greatest people you'll meet.
Speaker 1: I would say, lake cold people you get on them coasts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those cold people are pretty cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, the lake effect la. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was a stacked team is dangerous.
Speaker 3: Did it like you think two New York teams in
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl? Did it feel like a like a
Speaker 3: like was that.
Speaker 1: A thing that not? Really?
Speaker 2: No, that's not New York, not my New York.
Speaker 1: I like that answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was use.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, two New York teams, Like, well,
Speaker 1: someone say it's only one New York team.
Speaker 2: I would agree, right, and one Jersey team. I was
Speaker 2: trying to get that going, but never caught on.
Speaker 1: Never never.
Speaker 3: See what the giants are looking like the Giant seven
Speaker 3: Pro Bowlers. We lost Phil Simms in Week fifteen talking.
Speaker 1: About the nineteen, the fourteen, and two niners. They were
Speaker 1: thirteen and three.
Speaker 3: I know, but everyone was making the Niners out to
Speaker 3: be like way better. Lost Phil Simms in Week fifteen
Speaker 3: against the Bills. That's when Hosteller comes in and writes
Speaker 3: the ship. Bill Belichick running the defense, Tom Coughlin coaching
Speaker 3: the receivers. Both these guys would leave after the season.
Speaker 3: Fewest points allowed in the NFL, and I mean you
Speaker 3: might as well. You can talk all the names, all
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowlers, but it's LT's team, LT.
Speaker 2: Lt Man, oh Man, LT's team. But Otis Anderson. It
Speaker 2: was a beast Bavarovar, My god, just money.
Speaker 1: I mean, you did a show I did in South
Speaker 1: the NFL Phil Simms, Oh yeah, called mister Simms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a firecracker. Yeah, he's a great dude.
Speaker 1: Here's some of some of those stories that you can
Speaker 1: tell about lt Man. We're insane?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. What was he like in the locker room?
Speaker 4: What was LT?
Speaker 2: Lt? How are you getting ready next to that guy?
Speaker 1: I heard a story I won't tell by a source,
Speaker 1: but I guess LT had like a snake or he
Speaker 1: had something in his locker and he had like four
Speaker 1: watches and he had a stack of all his checks
Speaker 1: that weren't cash ship really and it was like his
Speaker 1: whole it was like a season and a half. It
Speaker 1: was probably half a million dollars of checks that he
Speaker 1: had cash. Oh my god, that was lt like a
Speaker 1: funny guy. Yeah, and of course it was Bill Parcells.
Speaker 1: I mean I totally buried the lead there.
Speaker 3: And even Tom story also made me think of another
Speaker 3: Jersey high school football coach that was on this staff,
Speaker 3: a young Charlie Weiss. Young Charlie Weiss a defensive assistant
Speaker 3: on this staff or just a coaching assistant, I should say,
Speaker 3: well was he?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Pretty crazy Charlie Weiss. There's an office in our
Speaker 1: facility called Charlie's office because it was his head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he left, it always was still Charlie's office like that.
Speaker 2: The Giants used to stay at the Woocliffelake Hilton on
Speaker 2: their home games because they didn't want everybody to stay
Speaker 2: at home, right, so you stay at the local hotel
Speaker 2: and the Woolffe Flake Hilton. It's where I worked as
Speaker 2: a bus boy, and my girlfriend did room service and
Speaker 2: she was a tiny little thing. She was like you know,
Speaker 2: five to four. We were in high school and she
Speaker 2: did room service and she went to Pepper Johnson's room
Speaker 2: to drop off a tray and he kind of made
Speaker 2: a pass at her. He is I think seven times
Speaker 2: her size. He wasn't aggressive in any way. It wasn't
Speaker 2: anything like really, but he just like you, got a
Speaker 2: little flirty with her, and it was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was just hit on by a mountain.
Speaker 1: Old coach. Pep, Pep coach me for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: He did. Yeah. Pepper Johnson six three man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Rachel was five four ninety eight pounds.
Speaker 1: Well, it's time for the Bounty wingman question. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Bounty is everyone's favorite wingman because you can't have football
Speaker 1: without wings, and you can't have wings without Bounty. So
Speaker 1: this is our segment where because there's always such a
Speaker 1: mess when you're eating wings, you have a nice Bounty
Speaker 1: paper towel.
Speaker 4: We chew on a wing.
Speaker 1: I ask you a question, and even though we're on
Speaker 1: this beautiful Swede couch, we don't worry because we have
Speaker 1: paper towels.
Speaker 2: All right, you have an eating with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we all know Bounty helps clean up the
Speaker 1: messiest moments. So what's your messiest moment on stage?
Speaker 2: M One time when I was starting out. I was
Speaker 2: working a club in New Jersey that's a good wing
Speaker 2: and somebody threw a French fry at me and it
Speaker 2: had ketchup on it. And I was a young comic.
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing that great to begin with, and someone
Speaker 2: hit me with a French fry and I looked down
Speaker 2: and because it had ketchup on it, it just slowly
Speaker 2: it like stuck to me and slowly went down my shirt.
Speaker 2: And there's no one funny enough to come back from that.
Speaker 2: You just have to leave the stage.
Speaker 1: Don't you wish you had a Bounty paper towel?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's funny because when it happened, that's
Speaker 2: what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Were you well, color shirt white white?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, it was pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Bounty and Wings my favorite duo. And that was the
Speaker 1: Bounty wing man question Jack, what about we said the
Speaker 1: stage of his game? All right?
Speaker 3: This was a rematch of the week fifteen game, which
Speaker 3: the Bills won, knocked out Phil Simms. So the that
Speaker 3: was late in the season getting him out knocked him
Speaker 3: out Phil the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: Hated to see it.
Speaker 3: Hosteller comes in and leads away. After that, Buffalo's path
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl, beat Miami in a shootout against
Speaker 3: Dan Marino up in the snow there in western New York.
Speaker 1: Then they rolled the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Put up ninety five total points in those two games.
Speaker 3: So the offense was just clicking, firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 3: The Giants at a beach Chicago, and then as we
Speaker 3: alluded to earlier, went out to San Francisco Candlestick and
Speaker 3: beat Jules's Niners. I got that San Francisco tree, that
Speaker 3: fumble man, that darn fumble. Giants leaned on their power offense.
Speaker 3: Bill Parcells always preached a tough defense and a ball
Speaker 3: control power offense. They could run the ball. I mean,
Speaker 3: the possession in these games are just insane. Yeah, as
Speaker 3: we'll see in this when it's you know, sett in
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl record forty minutes of possession. It was
Speaker 3: great offense fors great defense. And it was the first
Speaker 3: Super Bowl appearance for the Bills, and spoiler alerted only
Speaker 3: got worse appearance by appearance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was doing research when we were watching
Speaker 1: this game, and it reminded me of.
Speaker 4: Every Super Bowl I was in.
Speaker 1: Really, I mean, to a t let's try to control
Speaker 1: the clock, right, I tried to have possessions. Now some
Speaker 1: of them, that was like our game plan going into
Speaker 1: some of them. You know, we played Atlanta and there
Speaker 1: fucking we're down twenty eight to three. That kind of
Speaker 1: game plan goes up door. But you know that was
Speaker 1: kind of like the blueprint. Yeah, and I mean they
Speaker 1: executed to a t because with an explosive offense like Buffalo,
Speaker 1: like the only way I mean they were they were
Speaker 1: there the one offense in the league. The only way
Speaker 1: you stop them is you keep them off the goddamn
Speaker 1: fucking field right eat up the clock. But you need
Speaker 1: to play situationally great for that to happen, because you
Speaker 1: got to do well on third downs, to extend drives,
Speaker 1: well in the red area, come away with points. And
Speaker 1: it was almost if you look at the game, the
Speaker 1: deciding factor. You look at the Giants, they bend, they
Speaker 1: bend because you see all the points that the Bills
Speaker 1: got in the first half. They had four field goals.
Speaker 1: That's right of your offense. That's the game right there.
Speaker 1: That's why they lost.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you have that running game, you can
Speaker 2: just and it gets stronger as the game goes on.
Speaker 1: Demoralizes a team when you run the ball down their throat, demoralizes.
Speaker 1: I'm on offense and if we're getting ran on, this
Speaker 1: is us all right, you know, because we want to
Speaker 1: get you out of your rhythm. You want to get
Speaker 1: out there, and you got a fucking fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: minute drive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: I mean that, it's really getting cold on the side.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 3: And then we're watching before this Bill was saying, like
Speaker 3: you probably heard a million times in Super Bowls, he
Speaker 3: was gonna let Thurman Thomas do what Thurman Thomas was
Speaker 3: gonna do. But they're gonna take away anything deep down
Speaker 3: the field, play that cover to bring the safeties up,
Speaker 3: and you got to go across the middle and fight out.
Speaker 3: And you can take a little four yard catch, but
Speaker 3: you can take a pounding Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It would dare you to catch it over the middle
Speaker 1: when you could actually kill people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Literally, I think I think I saw knife pulled that one.
Speaker 2: We saw the clip of hospital.
Speaker 5: It's like buried into the ground and he has smelling
Speaker 5: salts to.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he's like, yeah, the three back in there
Speaker 1: didn't even miss it. Serious, Yeah, his head is just
Speaker 1: garied in the turf. So there's no new York rivalry. This,
Speaker 1: this is like New York, like New York, New York Now, no, no,
Speaker 1: no sub series that.
Speaker 2: Like The Raiders. Yeah, Upstate's very different from New York City.
Speaker 1: What about uh different? What's your what's your thoughts of
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay? This was in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: In Tampa. Yeah, no feeling at all. I'm even trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah down there no response, Yeah a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all right. You know, it's a it's a weird place.
Speaker 2: It's one of those like Tampa, Orlando.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the game day Schmorgesborg for a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl while you're watching this.
Speaker 2: When I'm watching this, definitely remember definitely it was we
Speaker 2: were deep into wings, tons and tons of wings. That's
Speaker 2: wings and pizza and beer.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: There was not maybe a bag of chips that was
Speaker 2: as fancy as we got.
Speaker 4: What's the chip back then?
Speaker 2: It was probably ruffles ridges. Okay, maybe some maybe some
Speaker 2: supermarket onion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Now you're sitting there in the first
Speaker 1: half and before the last the drive before half were
Speaker 1: the Giants score. Yeah, like you guys are getting played
Speaker 1: the three. So you're sitting there dipping your chip, you're
Speaker 1: ruffling in the dip and you're like, are you stressed
Speaker 1: at this point going in? Yeah, before that last drive
Speaker 1: into half.
Speaker 2: There's no there's nothing about this day that ever lets
Speaker 2: you off the hook and makes you feel good. It's
Speaker 2: always nerve wracking. It's always in the first And there
Speaker 2: was also, you know, going back and watching it, there
Speaker 2: was that Matt they you know, when the team starts,
Speaker 2: breaks start happening, you think the mojo's going their way.
Speaker 2: There was a couple like tip balls and things that
Speaker 2: were just it seemed like this was gonna be Buffalo's night.
Speaker 2: It just seems like we're not getting any of the magic.
Speaker 1: Then you're sitting in the back of your head. You're
Speaker 1: sitting there, it's our backup quarterback.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we don't even deserve to be here used to.
Speaker 2: There's no way how's that's going to do it. And
Speaker 2: these guys, Kelly and Thomas is just like Thomas was
Speaker 2: just but I.
Speaker 1: Mean, we watched an interview and Belichick was saying that
Speaker 1: they were gonna let them run the ball.
Speaker 4: They we didn't they we didn't want them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to throw the ball, which he's basically saying, we're
Speaker 1: gonna challenge him to have to put together these big drives.
Speaker 4: And execute in the red area, right, So they were
Speaker 4: they were cool with that.
Speaker 2: I think man nerve wracking. But like there's also though
Speaker 2: when you watch when you watch Norwood, yeah, his first
Speaker 2: field goal kind of shanks. He makes it, but it
Speaker 2: it kind of squibs to the right. It does. It's
Speaker 2: not like looking back you can see like there was
Speaker 2: not a lot of something was up. This guy was not.
Speaker 2: And he was one for like five over forty yards.
Speaker 3: Or forty five yards, Tom, you're on the money man, right,
Speaker 3: one for five on field goal attempts of forty more
Speaker 3: yards for grass fields forty.
Speaker 2: Yards forty or more. So, like I did not feel
Speaker 2: that during the day. Yeah, I was not not like confident,
Speaker 2: but looking back, like that first kick is likely over compensate.
Speaker 1: That next one. Yeah, that's one of those ones where
Speaker 1: you sneaked by huh and then you're like oh, and
Speaker 1: then right before the next one you're like, I can't
Speaker 1: do that mechanic. It's like that golf shot, right. Oh.
Speaker 3: Yes, Norwood was not like a great kicker by any mean. So,
Speaker 3: like I know, hindsight's twenty twenty here, and everyone gives
Speaker 3: him the rap of of being the goat. But I
Speaker 3: mean he was twenty for twenty nine on the year,
Speaker 3: sixty nine percent ratios.
Speaker 4: How about those screw How good they were?
Speaker 1: How cool were their face masks? Bring back the single bar,
Speaker 1: both kickers, bring back the bar.
Speaker 2: We need a bar down low so you can see
Speaker 2: their whole face when they miss.
Speaker 1: Now I got the serious, real serious question. It was
Speaker 1: the Whitney Houston national anthem, national anthem in the history
Speaker 1: of national anthems.
Speaker 4: Of all time. It was insane.
Speaker 2: No one comes close.
Speaker 1: And Marvin Gay had a good one over at Marvin
Speaker 1: and Houston at the All Star Game. All Up Star
Speaker 1: Game was cool because he had a cool, like like
Speaker 1: beat with it, and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But this was stunny.
Speaker 2: But this was also we're going to war. We were
Speaker 2: going to war, and we didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 2: And even though my buddy Chris, who's there eating wings
Speaker 2: with me, was ready to enlist, Uh, it was heightened.
Speaker 2: And she was so beautiful, so on top.
Speaker 4: Of her game, she nailed it, nailed it.
Speaker 2: Those what do they call those jets? Yeah, airplane, but
Speaker 2: it was those it was like the new the ones
Speaker 2: that couldn't be detected by radar.
Speaker 1: Oh, stealth bombers.
Speaker 2: Stealth bombers. I hadn't seen that before. We're like, what
Speaker 2: is happening right now?
Speaker 1: Do you think that was the government kind of flexing over?
Speaker 1: Like if anyone's watching the Super Bowl, we got these
Speaker 1: cool new black things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting ready to go.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. We never seen is that the
Speaker 1: first time we see the black bombers?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: I think, so let me double check here, like what
Speaker 1: is that? It's that star that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And she was so oh my god, she was so
Speaker 2: beautiful and just killed it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: So halftime, new kids on the block, New kids on
Speaker 2: the block are there? I don't remember that. I must
Speaker 2: have been doing Bond hits during that.
Speaker 1: Oh so at halftime, the Giants did the last shot
Speaker 1: kind of situation. Gotta get that touchdown, got it down
Speaker 1: to a one score game, score game, and then they
Speaker 1: open up the drive with a ten minute drive, suck
Speaker 1: off ten minutes of the third quarter, huge score, a touchdown.
Speaker 3: Go up, seventeen twelve, seventeen twelve.
Speaker 1: Huh, take up?
Speaker 3: I mean, as you said, eat up almost eleven minutes o'clock.
Speaker 3: Then Buffalo comes out, has a big drive to start
Speaker 3: the fourth, they get up nineteen seventeen, We come down,
Speaker 3: kick a field goal, go up twenty to nineteen.
Speaker 1: How much time? Minutes left? Seven?
Speaker 3: So we got time to work with at this point, Tom,
Speaker 3: Are you like, cause I'm like a pessimistic fan, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Oh too much time? We're done? Where are you staying
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 2: You're just waiting. You're like, they're going to kill us?
Speaker 2: How are they going to do it? And are we
Speaker 2: going to do it to ourselves? It's just the knee
Speaker 2: jerk reaction.
Speaker 1: That's a Boston, New York fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, same.
Speaker 1: It gets down all the way to this last kick.
Speaker 1: Walk us through step FIRSTEP. If you remember how I remember.
Speaker 2: That they had this impressive drive and Kelly, you know
Speaker 2: a force. They started pretty deep, I believe, yeah.
Speaker 3: Believe it started on their nine yard line and.
Speaker 2: They put together this drive and I don't remember exactly
Speaker 2: what like the last play putting him in position for
Speaker 2: the kick.
Speaker 3: Thurmon Thomas run got him down to about the thirty
Speaker 3: and the minute to spike it.
Speaker 2: And then they had to spike it.
Speaker 1: YEP.
Speaker 2: So how much time was on when they started a drive?
Speaker 4: When they started the drive.
Speaker 3: There were so we had a couple of three and
Speaker 3: outs here, So there were two minutes sixteen seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from their own ten.
Speaker 2: To sixteen and it doesn't feel like today's to sixteen.
Speaker 2: Like the clock got eaten up right much more.
Speaker 1: There's an explosive of the game, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You have to play old school football and it eats
Speaker 2: up clock.
Speaker 4: Literally.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah that all started like five years
Speaker 1: ago with Patrick Mahomes and Allen right where you know
Speaker 1: seven seconds was too much.
Speaker 4: I mean this one you can actually.
Speaker 2: Hit people right exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's a two minute try. But they get all
Speaker 2: the way down and uh man, I just remember I
Speaker 2: remember the players like praying. They're just like huddled like giants.
Speaker 2: The giants were just like on the sideline, like hugging
Speaker 2: each other just nobody, nobody could look. And in Summerville,
Speaker 2: New Jersey, in a shitty one bedroom apartment, no one
Speaker 2: was in their seat. We were just lying on the
Speaker 2: ground holding each other, not looking. I mean, just so insane,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna lose. Like there's no part of you
Speaker 2: that thinks he's gonna miss it. Yeah, there's no part
Speaker 2: You're just like, oh, they're making this so damn painful,
Speaker 2: Like he's just he's just gonna hit it, and then
Speaker 2: it goes up and just when did you see it?
Speaker 1: Right away? Oh?
Speaker 2: Right away? It was pretty quick. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that much. I mean it really, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was wide right, It was really wide right.
Speaker 2: Just tad how I mean, there's nothing more upsetting to
Speaker 2: watch than a kicker that blow it like that.
Speaker 1: That's sad. I feel bad for the kicker, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: just because you know, I've been around the guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know they're they're usually in their own little world.
Speaker 1: Some guys don't accept him asselflayer. They know that.
Speaker 4: Yep, you know they know that.
Speaker 1: People think they only have one fucking job. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of like one of those things where you
Speaker 1: can't get mad. The guy works his ass off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. The operation. It's crazy. The aftermath of this game.
Speaker 1: Oh that kick where it goes the butterfly effect four
Speaker 1: straight for Buffalo, which is completely different than what the
Speaker 1: Giants do, and they win their second Super Bowl in
Speaker 1: the franchise history. I mean it, h that was a
Speaker 1: spiral that could have been it.
Speaker 2: Now let me ask you this personnel changes, why the
Speaker 2: teams remain the teams?
Speaker 1: Like why you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: The Patriots are the Patriots. I mean you have eras
Speaker 2: where you're killing it, and but there's still something in
Speaker 2: the dna of a team. Everyone's gone, coaches have changed.
Speaker 2: Is it the building, is it just the what is
Speaker 2: it that still like makes the Patriots the Patriots?
Speaker 4: Well they're not that right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know they're not.
Speaker 1: I but you got Tom Brady and and Belichick had
Speaker 1: a template and and he had the law, and Tom
Speaker 1: went out and the best players in the team would
Speaker 1: enforce the law. There's good nucleus of guys. And then
Speaker 1: you know when those that first team kind of got
Speaker 1: out and there's different guys that kind of went into
Speaker 1: that area. And but the one the two constants were
Speaker 1: Tom and Bill, you know. And there's a lot a
Speaker 1: whole lot of debate going on right about now about
Speaker 1: all that right now, right but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it was both.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean up until like the
Speaker 2: Giants have would have like winning years and then they
Speaker 2: would just suck and then it's a.
Speaker 1: Tough place to play. A lot of expectation, a lot
Speaker 1: of distraction. The media in New York is very tough.
Speaker 1: I mean we all know, you know, so it's it
Speaker 1: it's hard. Yeah, it's it's not easy to win this league.
Speaker 1: And it's a quarterback league. And I mean this is
Speaker 1: the time where you know, Buffalo had a really good
Speaker 1: quarterback and then the Giants did too, and he gets
Speaker 1: hurt and they found a way. Yeah. You know that
Speaker 1: that's what depth, good defense, good situational football can do
Speaker 1: for a team. It's cool to see two different styles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he had the you know, it was almost you know,
Speaker 1: the high flyer Buffalo Bills, Yeah, against the dirty, nasty
Speaker 1: New York Giants.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, in a good way.
Speaker 2: We know what, you know what, we're gonna run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we run. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The the Bills still haven't won a Super Bowl. So
Speaker 2: if you're a team now, like when they're having a
Speaker 2: rough yew this year, but yeah, you know, recently they've
Speaker 2: been contending. And does the history play into it, kind
Speaker 2: of like the Red Sox or the Cubs, like the
Speaker 2: curse kind of like you hear in the media constantly
Speaker 2: like there's something going on, Like, well, for me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a part of the first three Super Bowls
Speaker 1: or the undefeated season. I was in the second group
Speaker 1: of three, so it was god, it was uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there were different generations, so I always we always had
Speaker 1: to hear about Teddy Bruski, William McGuinness, fucking Kevin Fall,
Speaker 1: Troy Brown and how these guys made the plays, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, you go out win a Super Bowl and.
Speaker 4: You're still hearing it.
Speaker 1: Well, these guys did it two three, So then you
Speaker 1: get competitive with it. They wanted to be you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, it could steer you different ways,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you do think about history.
Speaker 4: It is in your head though, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it was in our head.
Speaker 1: It was in my head. I can't speak for everyone,
Speaker 1: but for me, that motivated me. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: like them, and I was sick of hearing about them.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear about us. Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 1: they were I mean, they were the first to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was they, you know, it was It's hard
Speaker 1: when everyone knows about you. It was about him knows
Speaker 1: about us because of them, so everyone hated us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Parcells went on to retire after this year.
Speaker 3: His first retirement that was a big fallout, and then
Speaker 3: Bill even going to take the Browns head coaching job,
Speaker 3: another cursed franchise, and Tom Coughlin took over BC as
Speaker 3: a head coach. So those were kind of the big
Speaker 3: the big departures brain drain from the Giants coaching staff.
Speaker 2: Belichick goes to the Browns.
Speaker 1: Do you secretly wish Belichick comes back to the Giants?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I never hated on
Speaker 2: the Patriots. It was very It was very much because
Speaker 2: of him, and also uh uh took some of the
Speaker 2: staff also, Crenell orc Yeah, and I love those guys.
Speaker 2: So you knew that discipline that kind of like we
Speaker 2: always carried it like is Giant fans, Like we were
Speaker 2: old school disciplined, real like legit football that it was
Speaker 2: up in New England. I couldn't I admired it. I
Speaker 2: couldn't hate on it.
Speaker 1: You could always tell when we were in New York
Speaker 1: playing against the Giants. He loved the Giants. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could just tell. I mean it was, you know, a
Speaker 1: huge part of his start. Yeah, you know how he
Speaker 1: talked about those teams, how he talked about LT. Pepper Johnson,
Speaker 1: Philip Sims and the stories of all those, you know, like.
Speaker 4: He loved the Giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, they have kind of similar DNA.
Speaker 2: I guess because of those guys.
Speaker 1: Is this ninety one defense one of the greatest of
Speaker 1: all time? The greatest of all time or one of
Speaker 1: the great everyone throws the eighty five bears. No, they
Speaker 1: don't really get the the cred really if you think
Speaker 1: about it, who the Giants Giants ninety one defense here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just asking that question best of
Speaker 2: all times, Like I didn't never even thought of them
Speaker 2: in that term. Carson was gone.
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 2: Banks and LT.
Speaker 1: YEP and Pep Yep and Steve Diassi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think man if LT is under LT automatically
Speaker 3: makes some more.
Speaker 1: People just think he rushed the pastor that did did everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember what I remember Bill would throw
Speaker 1: on we would we would struggle with There's like this
Speaker 1: trap where they do this double pool and they still
Speaker 1: run the same damn plays, you know and nowadays back then, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the defensive end is supposed to you gotta set
Speaker 1: the edge, but it's hard because you have two guys
Speaker 1: and they can pop through and they can get through.
Speaker 1: So you gotta really blow it up. But you can't
Speaker 1: overblow it up because they can bounce it. Because you're
Speaker 1: the force or you're the you know, you're the edge,
Speaker 1: and if the edge is broken, then there's no help.
Speaker 1: And we were struggling with this, so he brought back
Speaker 1: this one play of LT blew up both the fucking
Speaker 1: poolers and tackled the guy right away. He's like, this
Speaker 1: is how you fucking do it. This guy. Watch him.
Speaker 2: Everyone just thinks, you know, yeah, we'll just we'll just
Speaker 2: be LT.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Now would you rather lose three Super Bowls in a
Speaker 1: row or not make it to a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Not make it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I gotta lose three? You do? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you're you're as a fan, not as a player.
Speaker 2: Yeah what about as a player?
Speaker 1: As a player, you gotta go. I want to go.
Speaker 2: You gotta go.
Speaker 1: You gotta at least play in the show. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: may not win the show, but you're still you gotta
Speaker 1: go to the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See where it stacks up.
Speaker 2: This is why you're a great athlete. And I tell
Speaker 2: jokes about my dogs because I would I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's gonna hurt. That's gonna hurt so much. Why don't
Speaker 2: we just not you just have it in you, You're
Speaker 2: just ah. But I mean, what do you think Bill's
Speaker 2: fans say.
Speaker 1: I don't know they're they're in until one right now? Yeah, Jackie,
Speaker 1: we have any leftovers.
Speaker 3: We had a pretty clean up stod, but we do
Speaker 3: have a leftover question that we we love to throw
Speaker 3: out to everybody. Tom, we love great locker room stories,
Speaker 3: so we were wondering, do you have any great green
Speaker 3: room stories from touring with Seinfeld back in the heyday?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, This was a little later and he was
Speaker 2: back playing the Beacon, and he's gonna play the Beacon.
Speaker 2: I'm going to open for him, and then we're going
Speaker 2: to like Columbus, Ohio or something the next day. And
Speaker 2: the Beacon has very small tights and old building, tight
Speaker 2: dressing rooms. You gotta take this little elevator up to
Speaker 2: each floor so that I'm there early, and I'm in
Speaker 2: the little green room and I'm waiting for Jerry, and
Speaker 2: I figure out, well, it's been a while and I
Speaker 2: haven't seen him in a bit, so I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna not a big thing, but just play
Speaker 2: a little joke that I fell asleep. He's so late
Speaker 2: that I fell asleep. So I like loose my tie
Speaker 2: and undo my belt and I'm just kick back on
Speaker 2: this couch. I hear the elevator coming up, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like kind of like, look like I'm drooling on myself.
Speaker 2: And the elevator opens up and I hear Jerry go oh,
Speaker 2: and I open my eyes. It's Jerry Seinfeld, Steve Martin,
Speaker 2: and Tom Hanks. I'm like my coach with parcels.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, hey, I'm just doing a bit. I'm
Speaker 2: just being funny. And they're like, hey, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys need to ride home.
Speaker 2: Anyone I'm going I'm going downtown. Everybody want to share
Speaker 2: a cab. It was pretty humiliating. I meant the guy job.
Speaker 4: And then they come any.
Speaker 2: Sleepy, very funny, Tom, very funny.
Speaker 1: So let's score the game. The name of the game
Speaker 1: is wide right. We all know we play call off
Speaker 1: of it, and we used to have a sign where
Speaker 1: we'd have the picture of it, like on our tip sheets.
Speaker 1: We'd have a tip sheet before each game, give your reminders,
Speaker 1: and we used to have a play call wide right,
Speaker 1: and on the reminder tip sheet it was the picture
Speaker 1: of the wide right. Oh really yeah, we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after this quick break. Score the game presented by
Speaker 1: win Bet. This is a segment where we score our
Speaker 1: game and see where this specific game stands in like
Speaker 1: all our games that we've done, so it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 1: Steaks zero to ten decimals. Okay, score the stakes of
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 2: Game the steaks. Uh, can it get any higher?
Speaker 4: Camp?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so whatever?
Speaker 4: The max is ten, ten, ten for all the marbles. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we got ten star power.
Speaker 2: Oh man, super Bowl, super Bowl and both sides of stars.
Speaker 5: We're just throwing tens out for everything. There's different levels
Speaker 5: of super Bowls, right, like a back to back super
Speaker 5: Bowl or like an undefeated season super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know, like, it's fine, it's.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying too many tens.
Speaker 5: We've been just handing out ten. We handed out of
Speaker 5: ten to game five of an NBA Finals, Like, what
Speaker 5: are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, you're well, you're right, I mean, to his point, Hostetler,
Speaker 2: he's got to drop us a couple points. He wasn't
Speaker 2: a star.
Speaker 1: He was a so that steaks are that star power
Speaker 1: because there is a star power, stakes are super high.
Speaker 2: I think staks are.
Speaker 4: Ten alright star power, uh star pod.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wewight war she.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she wasn't playing football, was she? All?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Nine point eight.
Speaker 1: Gameplay time sucking Giants against the high flyer Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: that couldn't score in the red area.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, it's kind of like when
Speaker 2: the Devils would win in the NHL, like they were
Speaker 2: just dominant but so boring to watch. You know, is
Speaker 2: this gameplay like the game plan or the entertaining part
Speaker 2: of watching it?
Speaker 1: I would say, like just the gameplay of the game.
Speaker 2: The top play was.
Speaker 3: A miss kick by the way too, just to put
Speaker 3: that in firm reference, I was leaning to entertainment value.
Speaker 2: It was a grind it was upsetting. I was tense
Speaker 2: the whole time. Probably smoked way too much weed. Gameplay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was kind of a grindy, dirty game, right, like
Speaker 2: a seven seven.
Speaker 1: So that's fair, that's fair. The name of the game,
Speaker 1: wide right, If you ask anyone wide right, people know
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, so one zero out of ten, wide right?
Speaker 1: Where does it? Where does it?
Speaker 2: Go. I would say ten except for your producer, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say nine.
Speaker 1: Ky.
Speaker 3: Finally, this is up there for all time. This games
Speaker 3: was named this is thriller in Manila level like I
Speaker 3: love wide right? Everyone you say, and everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: Everyone, everyone knows boys eight point ninety five. Now let's
Speaker 1: see some of the games we've done with some of
Speaker 1: the people. Where does the stack up? Oh?
Speaker 2: Nice, it's up there.
Speaker 3: We were right there in the fourth spot, right below
Speaker 3: the Yankees Red Sox two thousand and four alc Yes, sorry, Tom.
Speaker 1: Was that the Yeah? That was not one for a
Speaker 1: New Yorker.
Speaker 2: Once that, once the the mitt, the catcher's mitt winning
Speaker 2: a Rod's face, it was over. Yeah. From there, I
Speaker 2: started thinking about football.
Speaker 1: Oh, good old ver Tech.
Speaker 2: The captain for Dugo's going to the Yanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2: I don't like it?
Speaker 1: Man. Well, I had a blast with this, Tom so great.
Speaker 1: Did we did we miss anything about this game? Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, my buddy didn't have to go to war that
Speaker 2: I mean, and he got his victory pieces. So not
Speaker 2: only was it a great game, not only was it
Speaker 2: fun to talk about, but in a way we saved
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: In a way he did. No, we did.
Speaker 2: We you and me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm giving you credit.
Speaker 1: I'll take it.
Speaker 2: You're the best.
Speaker 1: You have anything to plug other than we got what
Speaker 1: what is? Uh? He just finished his stand up tour.
Speaker 4: You have special The next tour is starting to roll.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Just go to Tom Papa on All On All Things
Speaker 2: and you'll find me Instagram, my website, my mailbox.
Speaker 1: That's a great name. To Charlotte, January twelve.
Speaker 2: Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 4: It is come on the stand up, take your shirt
Speaker 4: twisted around.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is really great.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So cool.
Speaker 2: We have to take a picture. I gotta show, definitely,
Speaker 2: I gotta show Matt Damon who I was hanging with.
Speaker 1: Matt Damon. Yeah, you got to tell him the story
Speaker 1: about where I was randomly riding my bike in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: and he lives there.
Speaker 4: I guess. I saw Ranon, like, hey man, how you doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, is edel Man. He's it was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've met up a couple of times. He's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: But at flack. On the other hand, you tell.
Speaker 2: Him, yeah, really, you're gonna let him have it. No,
Speaker 2: I'll tell him anyway, we got some beef.
Speaker 4: Someone who want to see a real batman, Come tell me.
Speaker 2: I'm on it.
Speaker 1: Man. That was an awesome episode. Tom Papa, that was
Speaker 1: my Jerry Seinfeld for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, id, I got a little Seinfeld in there.
Speaker 3: What's to deal with this guy? His name's Papa, but
Speaker 3: he's not my father? That was That'd be a Seinfeld bit,
Speaker 3: wouldn't he He'd be like, yeah, I write that down.
Speaker 3: This is going in the special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was confused. He said his name was Tom Papa,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have a kid. What's to do? No?
Speaker 1: He was awesome though. That was sick.
Speaker 4: No, that was funny.
Speaker 1: Was good to hear his his come up and and
Speaker 1: to hear how he kind of used a little bit
Speaker 1: of that athlete mentality in his stand up career.
Speaker 3: And what was no chicks, no partying, bro, just writing,
Speaker 3: I mean spiral notebooks.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, day's off, Jack? I know, no days
Speaker 1: off Jack. I'm trying to party and have fun. Man
Speaker 1: in the room, It'll come. What did Seinfeld to say?
Speaker 1: You gotta like, yeah, you gotta do good at invest
Speaker 1: in the craft, and then the Craft will invest.
Speaker 4: And give you a reward or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something lame like that some time.
Speaker 4: No, it was fun, man.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to continue to watch him and I
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing his new stand up Yeah for real.
Speaker 3: In honor of the wide right game, one of the
Speaker 3: most painful endings in sports history, especially for the folks
Speaker 3: up in Buffalo, we're gonna talk about some of the
Speaker 3: most painful miss kicks or just botched field goals to
Speaker 3: end games in.
Speaker 1: All of football, all the football. Put together a little
Speaker 1: top five. What do you think can we come to
Speaker 1: a consensus? You, me and Kyler. Let's do it. Let's
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: Starting off the kick six. You got the kick six
Speaker 3: Bama and Auburn. You got the double doink Eagles and Bears.
Speaker 3: You got the Romo Botch snap not even a missfield
Speaker 3: looks to Botch snap in that playoff game against the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: And then you got I mean, I guess we'll lump
Speaker 3: these all together. It's almost got to be one for me.
Speaker 3: When you can, you can put it like a godfather.
Speaker 3: You got wide right one wide right to those Florida
Speaker 3: State Miami ones. I don't know those are tough.
Speaker 1: We got a couple, we got I think in Florida
Speaker 1: State Miami. What was that? That's a rivalry game. That's
Speaker 1: a rivalry game. So but it's and it's also it's college, man,
Speaker 1: it's college you where do you put them on a
Speaker 1: lower scale? These kids are pro kickers. Like, that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's tough for a college Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: This kid probably you're doing a halftime thing where the
Speaker 1: coach had an audition for fucking some kickoff thing, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they signed them and they hit
Speaker 1: the video team giving them a scholarship. Kidding, he ain't
Speaker 1: getting two million dollars a kick?
Speaker 2: What about the.
Speaker 5: Do you remember that there's a regular season game.
Speaker 1: I think it was the Saints maybe Jags where there
Speaker 1: was a full on.
Speaker 5: Like a lateral kickoff situation with like no time left
Speaker 5: and they actually had it work like an annex section
Speaker 5: of Puerto Rico, and it actually worked, and then they
Speaker 5: missed the extra point to lose the game.
Speaker 4: Actually they scored a touch.
Speaker 1: Let me look at one.
Speaker 3: It's not the Will LUTs one from twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: It was like Carney was, yeah, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: one of those guys that sits in berries on killing
Speaker 1: the kicker after a game losing kick, because the game's
Speaker 1: not lost or won on that kick. There's about fifteen
Speaker 1: to thirty other plays that came down to spoken like
Speaker 1: a true teamer. You know, I feel for my guy.
Speaker 1: So you know, Steve Goskowski big fault. Those are my guys.
Speaker 3: Oh, Kyler alluded to the Rivers City Relay got a name?
Speaker 1: Should we?
Speaker 4: River City?
Speaker 3: Two thousand and three, The Jags were leading twenty to thirteen.
Speaker 3: The Saints used three laterals to score a touchdown his
Speaker 3: time expired in regulation. However, New Orleans kicker John Carney
Speaker 3: missed the ensuing extra point and would have sent the
Speaker 3: game into overtime, but instead the Jags' short that was
Speaker 3: pre moving astree r p a t Yeah, prior to
Speaker 3: making it a football play, as Bill would say.
Speaker 2: That hurts, That hurts River City Relay.
Speaker 1: What did you say?
Speaker 4: Who would say?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Bill?
Speaker 1: Bill?
Speaker 3: Because he said make it a football play, right, That's
Speaker 3: why he was the one. I think that lobbied to
Speaker 3: move the extra point back. It's good, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: it makes it more interesting. I think that was a
Speaker 3: Bill term, make this a football play.
Speaker 2: Sorry, so wide rights.
Speaker 1: That's the last college putting that fifth?
Speaker 4: What about this wide right? Is this one in here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's in here. I think this might be
Speaker 1: number one. Honestly. The butterfly effect Super Bowl, I mean
Speaker 1: the kick six.
Speaker 5: The kick six is wild because usually a miskick is
Speaker 5: just like sadness, but like the kick six, the sadness
Speaker 5: led to a great football play.
Speaker 1: I mean that changed play calling for that situation one
Speaker 1: second left because if you if you, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you think about it, and that's why they do that
Speaker 1: on those extra long ones. They put those fast guys
Speaker 1: back there because you got all linemen on there for
Speaker 1: the kickoff or for the field goal team. It's fucking travesty.
Speaker 4: You're done.
Speaker 1: That's great gamble. That's gotta be.
Speaker 4: That's up there.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's number two.
Speaker 3: Let's put we got wide right at one three, I
Speaker 3: think you gotta go. Speaking of butterfly effect, the Romo
Speaker 3: bought Snap, I mean Dallas hadn't won a playoff game since.
Speaker 4: No, they won one last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they pardon me, double doing.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, that's extra heartbreaking because you got your
Speaker 5: heartbroken twice.
Speaker 1: And and the Eagles went on to win that year.
Speaker 3: They did yeah, they beat beat the Pats right that year?
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, no, that was to repeat.
Speaker 5: That was to repeat they won the year before.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, yeah yeah. So then it goes three,
Speaker 1: Romo doubled like four. You think Romo is more heartbreaking
Speaker 1: or are you going one is the most heartbreaking? Yeah?
Speaker 5: You think Romo is more heartbreaking than the double drink?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dude, this is Dallas Cowboys. Okay, okay, when you when
Speaker 1: you have that star in your helmet, there's a different standard. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're America's team.
Speaker 3: I guess I feel like I just called called into
Speaker 3: Jerry's office when I signed with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am eating a fucking egg McMuffin with
Speaker 1: salt and pepper and extra ketchup on it. Isn't that
Speaker 1: what he's eating? Even salting down an egg McMuffin. I'm
Speaker 1: like that man like salt.
Speaker 3: Liberal with the salt brother hurt. What's the sodium levels
Speaker 3: through the roof?
Speaker 2: What's the fifth?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 1: Fifth? Let's go after su Miami wide right one through five?
Speaker 1: Five for the Boys River City? I mean we didn't
Speaker 1: know by it. And then this is that was It's
Speaker 1: a regular season game.
Speaker 3: Anything related to Jacksonville. Call me ring No, I mean Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: I like Jacksonville a year ago.
Speaker 3: Our final rankings ready, yeah, wide Rite number one, kick six,
Speaker 3: number two, Romobot snap against the Seahawks, number three, fourth,
Speaker 3: the double doing the number five wide right series.
Speaker 1: Pretty good list.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: I think that's painful. What do you guys think? I want?
Speaker 1: We want to hear in the comment section below, blow
Speaker 1: us up. I want to hear what you guy. I
Speaker 1: want to hear arguments. I want to hear replies. Let's
Speaker 1: see it one episode. Thanks again to Tom Papa for
Speaker 1: coming on it. Just I like saying his name.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of Papa Smurf.
Speaker 1: Me to John Popper from The Blues Traveler. Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's a good comic name. Good stage name it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been another episode of Games with Names, presented
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