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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. Everybody Nailed It, joined us always

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Speaker 1: by Alex Barth. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barth. So

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Speaker 1: this is.

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Speaker 2: A very long email from Robert, very well thought out. Robert. I,

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Speaker 2: I apologize that I can't read.

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Speaker 1: The whole email.

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Speaker 2: So the summarization of this email is about a concept

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Speaker 2: that you and I have kicked around many times on

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Speaker 2: the show, about an NFL developmental lead. But we have

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Speaker 2: this concept nailed, so we're available. We will come in

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Speaker 2: and we will tell you. We will lay you, lay

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Speaker 2: it out for you and tell you exactly how this

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Speaker 2: can be done. We are the sickos that on a

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Speaker 2: random day in March when the Spring League is going on,

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Speaker 2: the two of us have this nails like, we know

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Speaker 2: to get there. Maybe we need some suits, some lawyers

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Speaker 2: injury settlements and all that good stuff. So we have

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Speaker 2: this concept nailed, so we're available. Hello, everybody, We're we

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Speaker 2: are always available always. Evan Lazarre and Alex bart Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two. Here with you for the next couple

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Speaker 2: of hours. Alex behind the glass as well. It's Alex,

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Speaker 2: Alex and Evan. Were all too many alex Is around

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Speaker 2: me right now. I need to have nicknames or something.

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Speaker 2: But let's get Alex Francs going here. Oh yeah, we

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Speaker 2: can have an Alex off. Who's the best Alex that

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Speaker 2: is connected to Patriots dot com? Not all of you know,

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Speaker 2: all the way for some of us over there, but connected. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: we are going to get into Patriots OTAs. On Monday,

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Speaker 2: we were out at OTAs, so we'll discuss Drake may

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs being at Patriots practice. I also want to

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Speaker 2: touch on after we do the OTA observations, I want

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Speaker 2: to touch on David Andrews retirement ceremony, which we were

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Speaker 2: both at, which I thought was just a really awesome event,

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Speaker 2: awesome forty five minutes or so there celebrating the career

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Speaker 2: of David Andrews. But I want to start with OTAs,

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Speaker 2: and I know that's what everybody's really on their minds.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get the digs and how he looked

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Speaker 2: at practice yesterday, but the place I want to start

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Speaker 2: was what I thought was Drake May's best practice of

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Speaker 2: the spring. And I understand that that kind of sounds crazy,

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Speaker 2: like we're grading every single practice in spring. Can I

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Speaker 2: get if you sit here and say, relax, right, it's May,

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Speaker 2: it's June. How much does this stuff really matter? But

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Speaker 2: just looking at it through what we saw out there

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Speaker 2: on Monday, Alex I felt like Drake looked the most

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Speaker 2: on with Drake May in this offense. I thought it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where you know it's tough because

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Speaker 1: it's not linear. It'll be linear from here on out.

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Speaker 1: We'll see three mini caamp practices next week and then

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Speaker 1: You can't say definitively like he's moving training in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's always when with all these practices,

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing yesterday was Josh McDaniels told us they

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Speaker 2: So when you practice week in and week out and

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Speaker 1: I just think he looked more comfortable. Right. We talked

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Speaker 1: tailor it too much to that and take away some

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Speaker 1: of what Drake may does. Well, this was him being

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Speaker 2: So I think that's an important point of all this.

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Speaker 2: And there was a lot of talk before practice with

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Speaker 1: I've never said Mike McDaniel is not a good offense

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Speaker 1: kind of have to find that equilibrium. And there might

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Speaker 1: not be one there honestly might not be one, but

435
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be one of the teams now with Drake

436
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: may just like the Bill's been doing for years with

437
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, that has to find that.

438
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Speaker 2: So I'm not advocating for Drake made to be them

439
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: designing runs for him a ton in the open field

440
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Speaker 2: like between the twenties, as part of like the core

441
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 2: tenants of their offense like a Baltimore and Lamar Jackson,

442
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 2: not even like readoption stuff. I would be okay with

443
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Speaker 2: that from the gun, But I'm not saying that I

444
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: want him to run the ball like one hundred times

445
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: a year, right like Cam Newton did in twenty twenty,

446
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: asking for that. But the things that I think are

447
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 2: important for him to incorporate his legs on are short yardage,

448
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: high leverage situations, right third down and two third down

449
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: and one goal line. You know, those are the types

450
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Speaker 2: of things that just having the quarterback account for somebody

451
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Speaker 2: or the defense have to account for the quarterback in

452
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Speaker 2: some capacity, just as it's such a schematic advantage to

453
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Speaker 2: the offense that makes it so difficult to defend you

454
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Speaker 2: that I you kind of have to do it if

455
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Speaker 2: you have that ability as the quarterback. Like if you

456
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Speaker 2: don't have a mobile quarterback, then obviously you're not going

457
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Speaker 2: to do it. You know, if you have Kirk Cousins,

458
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Speaker 2: you're not going to be running zone reads on the

459
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Speaker 2: goal line. But with a guy like Drake May, you

460
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Speaker 2: absolutely can. And the only time that he keeps is

461
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Speaker 2: when it's like a clear path to the end zone

462
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Speaker 2: and ideally he's not even getting hit, right, he's just

463
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Speaker 2: waltzing into the end zone like he did in the preseason.

464
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Speaker 2: I think that was what Week two of the preseason

465
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Speaker 2: last year where he scored that rushing touchdown and he

466
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Speaker 2: just kind of waltzed into.

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Speaker 1: The end zone. He had one of the regular season

468
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Speaker 1: two did he was it against Houston? He had one

469
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Speaker 1: last year he was in the throwbacks. Okay, I remember that,

470
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Speaker 1: I'll pull it up. But so, and that's just what

471
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Speaker 1: we're on. The drake may like another thing they can

472
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Speaker 1: do and maybe this isn't the setting to do it.

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Speaker 1: Figure out what his I don't even know what probably

474
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Speaker 1: is a technical phrase for it, but like how he's

475
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: gonna terminate his runs right and ideally if he's by

476
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Speaker 1: the sideline, he gets the sideline, or if he can score,

477
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Speaker 1: he scores. But like is gonna because we went through

478
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: this last year where like is sliding the best thing

479
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: because in the action of the slide, you leave yourself exposed,

480
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Speaker 1: even if you're giving yourself up.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it's.

482
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Speaker 1: A penalty people like diving for like head first, right

483
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Speaker 1: you can talk and cover and like kind of figuring

484
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Speaker 1: out how they want him to do that is something

485
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Speaker 1: else that should be on the to do list this offseason. Absolutely,

486
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Speaker 1: all right, let's move on.

487
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Speaker 2: The next thing I wanted to talk about here on

488
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Speaker 2: the Old Rundown is Stefan Diggs being out at Patriots

489
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Speaker 2: practice on Monday. Our first look at Stefan Diggs out

490
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Speaker 2: of Patriot practice, and I gotta say I'm excited I'm excited.

491
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Speaker 1: I can't.

492
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Speaker 2: How can you not be excited watching a receiver of

493
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Speaker 2: that caliber in a Patriot uniform in a Patriot practice,

494
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Speaker 2: even though it was against air. Catching passes from Drake

495
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: may on routes against air is still something that we

496
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: haven't seen yet and I was really excited.

497
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Speaker 1: Thing.

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Speaker 2: The two things that stand out are obviously how far

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Speaker 2: along he is physically, and you know, we don't have

500
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Speaker 2: any inside information on truly what his timeline is or

501
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: anything like that, but he based off of what we've

502
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: seen from other players, and the one that we a

503
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: lot of people have gone back and compared it to

504
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 2: because its recent is Kendrick Bourne's recovery from his ACL

505
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. And Kendrick Bourne tore his

506
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: ACL in October. Stefond Day to his ACL in October,

507
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 2: so it's like kind of the same exact timeline. And

508
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: we never saw Kendrick Bourne in a practice until he

509
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: was on the field on a game.

510
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Speaker 1: Like you.

511
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: He was out there in a T shirt and shorts,

512
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: just kind of walking around. Yeah, we never saw him

513
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: do positional drills. We never saw him do jogg thrus. Obviously,

514
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs did not do team periods, but this is

515
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: already further along than a lot of guys that we've

516
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: seen in our experience on the Beat Beat at this point.

517
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to put necessarily put timelines

518
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 2: on it, but I can't help but feeling like his

519
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: goal of being back for week one is not totally

520
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: out of sight. Like when you look at him moving,

521
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: there might be a little bit still of like his

522
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: gait is like maybe a little bit of a limp,

523
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: like it's not one hundred percent yet, But he was

524
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: looking really good. I mean the routes he was running.

525
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: When he was actually running the route, he was looking explosive,

526
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: he was looking fast. And the other thing that stood

527
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: out to me is just the type of swagger and

528
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: confidence that a true superstar receiver like Stefan Diggs brings

529
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: to a practice and brings that kind of two at practice.

530
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: They haven't had a guy like that in quite some

531
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: time that comes on the field and is like all right,

532
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: like you know the alpha is here right, like that

533
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: sort of thing. And I know he's older, I know

534
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: he's coming off the injury, but this was extremely exciting

535
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: to me to watch this unfold and the fact that

536
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: they're already getting him into some of these walkthroughs. Tells

537
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 2: me that they're thinking that maybe this timeline is going

538
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: to be you know, accelerated compared to other ACL recoveries

539
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: as well, because other you know, they're trying to get

540
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: him in on the plates, right, they want to get

541
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: him running and get him in on the places. So

542
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Speaker 2: what did you see from Stefan Diggs? I was super

543
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: excited about what I saw.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you hit on a lot of it,

545
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: just the way he was moving. And this was the

546
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: big unknown when they signed him, was this is a

547
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: guy that's what thirty one years old right coming off

548
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: of torn ACL. You don't know if he's gonna look

549
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: the same and what's the timeline look like. And he

550
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: didn't do any of the competitive team stuff, right, He

551
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: did individual positional stuff. He did some of that walk

552
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: through stuff that was offensive'us defense and that was it.

553
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: And then he was over on that side field with

554
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk was also rehabbing. But like for for what

555
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: he did, I don't want to say he was full

556
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: go because he didn't do every drill, but when he

557
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: was on the field, like it looked like he was

558
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: running one hundred percent and planting and cutting one hundred percent.

559
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Like in that sense, he looked good to go. Clearly

560
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: there's some other checkpoints he has to hit, which isn't

561
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: surprising given the timeline. Like you mentioned to, Mike g

562
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: already reported yesterday that he's still not one hundred percent.

563
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: He hasn't been fully cleared, which is what we saw.

564
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: But if he's doing that now, can he start to

565
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: be involved in some of the team stuff in camp. Yeah,

566
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: and if he can do that well, now week ones

567
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: realistic because he'll be on the same page as Drake

568
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: may because that's part of.

569
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: With Kendrick Porne too. Last year, remember is it wanted

570
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: some lead up time? Yeah, it was game shape, it

571
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: was up time, that sort of saying. It wasn't that

572
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: he wasn't structurally healthy, He just wasn't.

573
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't football. It wasn't in football shape. So if

574
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: that's something Digs can work out and camp now week

575
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: ones on the table.

576
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: So look, I don't know what the inside his knee

577
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: looks like.

578
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the X ray. I'm not a doctor.

579
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what to make of it if I did.

580
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: But just the way he's moving out there. You usually

581
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: don't see guys that recently off in ACL moving like that,

582
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: so you have to figure that he's ahead of schedule.

583
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: And Kendrick Bourne last year, I think that the talk

584
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: and this was externally. We don't know exactly, but it

585
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: was kind of like he probably wouldn't have needed to

586
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: miss all four games he had a missed by opening

587
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: on PUP, but he would have missed a couple so

588
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: it just made more sense put him on PUP and

589
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: give him the ramp up time and like. And that's

590
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: not uncommon for guys coming off with torn ACL. But

591
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: let's say realistically, like Bourne could have gone in week

592
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: two or three, it looks like Diggs is more than

593
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: two or three weeks ahead of where Kendrick Bourne was.

594
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah so. And I don't think Bourne was slow by

595
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: any means in his return. That was about what everybody

596
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: was expecting. Yeah So's it was definitely encouraging just to

597
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: see how well Diggs was moving.

598
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: I really feel like Stefan Diggs and assuming that everything

599
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: goes well with him, you know, in terms of his

600
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: buying and things like that, I really feel like Stefan

601
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: Diggs is going to be a huge impact player for

602
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: this team based off of what we saw the other day.

603
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: I know it's only one practice, but I'm also basing

604
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: it off of what he looked like in Houston before

605
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: he got hurt last year, what he's looked like in

606
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: some of these videos that he's posted on social media

607
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: of his work, probably workouts away from the facility that

608
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: he's been doing to me, but you know, just off

609
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: the eye test, like he looks like Steffan Diggs, Like

610
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: he looks like a guy that is moving with purpose,

611
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: like explosive cuts in and out of breaks, you know,

612
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: changing directions on a dime, running routes, like the technician

613
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: that he has been in the past. And when you

614
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: start to think about the ways that he can be

615
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: used in a Josh McDaniel offense, and how they can

616
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: put him different spots in the formation, whether it's out

617
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: wide or in the slot, or in a bunch or

618
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: in a condensed split, or whatever the case may be,

619
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: they can find all these different ways to get him

620
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage and into good matchups and

621
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: his whole career and even last year in Houston, he

622
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: was on pace for another one hundred catch season, he

623
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: was gonna have one hundred catches over a thousand yards

624
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 2: for the Texans last year before he got hurt. If

625
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is healthy, Stefan Texas catching a hundred balls

626
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: like that's just that's the reality, especially in this offense. Yeah,

627
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna use him the way we think they're gonna

628
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: use it. So I don't see any reason to believe

629
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: on you know, June fourth, which I get is were

630
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: ways away from actually playing games. If he's healthy, I

631
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: don't see any reason to believe that he's not going

632
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: to be one hundred balls like he is every other

633
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: year of his career. So that that's an extremely incouraged.

634
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: The bigger question than me, And this goes more to

635
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: the structure of his knee because it's it's more yards

636
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: after the catch. He Oh yeah, he has caught a

637
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: hundred passes every yr going back for year in Buffalo.

638
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, thousand yards.

639
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think what we're because Edelman is still

640
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots last thousand yard receiver, right, yep.

641
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, eight hundred would be like Jacobe Myers, Kendrick Bourne.

642
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: I think a clip stayed on him like seven hundred

643
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: yeast year, right, yeah, last one thousand yard receiver is

644
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: Edelman in nineteen I think.

645
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Is he also the last hundred cat allo?

646
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's definitely in play. Now I've said

647
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: it before with Diggs, I'll say it again. The one

648
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: thing that I would, you know, I think fans should

649
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: prepare for is that the Stefan Diggs towards the end

650
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: in Buffalo and the Stefan Diggs in Houston before he

651
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: got hurt last year was a possession receiver. This is

652
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: a middle of the field, first and second level possession receiver.

653
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: The days of him being like the explosive take the

654
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: top off the defense, you know, really take chunks out

655
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: of the defense type of guy. I don't know if

656
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: that is still his game, like I and that's not

657
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: a bad thing. It's just that he's gonna be the

658
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: chain mover, the engine, the possession guy in this offense

659
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: when he's healthy, and they've got to find and we

660
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: can talk about some other guys in that room like

661
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: we got. They got to find the explosive place like

662
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to find that I think still someplace else.

663
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: Not saying that Diggs isn't gonna have any explosive places,

664
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: because I'm sure he'll have some, but that's not where

665
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: he was last year with Houston. It's not where he

666
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: was in his last season in Buffalo. You know, his

667
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: last year in Buffalo and last year in Houston. It's

668
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: you know, third and six, We're gonna find Stefon Diggs

669
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: over the middle for eight or nine yards like that.

670
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: That was his game and that's a ton of value

671
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: to have that kind of you know, safety net for

672
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback. I'm not saying that there's no value in

673
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: that by any means, but just that that's the one

674
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: thing I would prepare for with Diggs.

675
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: All right, die, here is this right, Julian Edelman. So,

676
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Julian Edmind's the only got with one hundred catches since

677
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I went back ten years, Yeah, twenty fourteen. He only

678
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: did it once in that span.

679
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: I could believe that because you know, the Edelman had

680
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: some injury, right, So I went back twenty to fifteen.

681
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: He was probably on pace for his best season and

682
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: that's when he got hurt.

683
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: Right, So I went back to the year, so we

684
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: caught one hundred and thirteen. The ninety two sixty one

685
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: was fifteen. He got hurt. He had ninety eight in

686
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, So he was right there. Seventy four caught

687
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteen, and then he just caught twenty

688
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: one that last year. So they've only had one guy

689
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: catch one hundred balls in the last decade.

690
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. But so Diggs maybe did James White

691
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: never did it.

692
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: No, So James White I think peaked at seventy. Okay,

693
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I have a James White adjacent take if you want

694
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: to talk about the running backs, but I want to

695
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: find a one thousand yard receivers first.

696
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: What's your what's your take? I was the last thousand

697
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: yard receiver.

698
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Edelman in nineteen, also Cooks in seventeen, Gronk and seventeen

699
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Man that offense was awesome. Edelman in sixteen, Gronkin fifteen,

700
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: Gronkin fourteen.

701
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Not to go on nostalgia and when we have stuff

702
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: to talk about, but the fact that we never got

703
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: to see Cooks, Gronk and Edelman on the field together

704
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: is such a bummer.

705
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: They're just going to.

706
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: Ruin in my day right now. Well, that's what we're doing.

707
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: It's just such a bummer, like that offense. That offense

708
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: felt like it had I didn't say, oh, seven potential,

709
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: but like had the potential to be one of the

710
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: one of the better offenses of the entire twenty.

711
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: Eleven potential maybe, Yeah, like sevens off for twenty ten,

712
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: that's what I meant. Yeah, twenty ten. Yeah, I that's

713
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: that's one of my big second guests of the Dynasty.

714
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: And look, they obviously were very successful, but like.

715
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: Well, they literally won the Super Bowl the next.

716
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: Year with them. I know, I wish they kept Cooks, though.

717
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: I also just always really liked him as a player.

718
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: That's so I had a hot take at the time

719
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: because do you remember why the Saints traded Cooks Because

720
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: him and Michael Thomas were both upset and they were

721
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: getting the balling off, and they basically had a trade

722
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: one to meet the other happy. I said at the time,

723
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: they traded the wrong guy. And this was right at

724
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the peak hype of slant Boy. Michael Thomas had just

725
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: caught like one hundred and thirty five Fastes or something like,

726
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: you're nuts, Brandon Cooks is just fast whatever. Yeah, in retrospect.

727
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: No, if Brandon Cooks had a great Brandon.

728
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Cooks had a much better career than Michael Thomas. Did.

729
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks was a very good player. He's still a

730
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: bad play ya, He's still had a bad player. Not

731
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: what he was, but he still had a bad player

732
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: as enough. Brandon Cook's reminiscing, but I'm always down to

733
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: do more if you guys want to call him talk

734
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. James White peaked at eighty seven catches in

735
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen seventy two the next year. So my take

736
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: on this is, I think a it's going to depend

737
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: how they split the snaps right and obviously health, but

738
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: looking at how they're using the running backs in the

739
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: spring and still early, but looking at how they're using

740
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: their running backs in the spring, not just who's out there,

741
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: but some of the formational stuff they're doing, the pairings

742
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: they're doing with these guys, I think a running back

743
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: finishes and I I'm not ready to say who, but

744
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: I think a running back finishes top three on the

745
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: team in catches this year, maybe even top two if

746
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: Diggs is fully healthy, Digs will be one. There's I

747
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: think there's a real chance of running back as second

748
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: most catches. And again you'll.

749
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: Definitely think there's a chance that Trayvon Anderson is.

750
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: That Yeah, you look at the last couple of years

751
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: of Josh James Flight really kind of took over the

752
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: role in twenty sixteen sixty catches, fifty six, eighty seven,

753
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: seventy two, and then he was hurt the last two

754
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: years forty nine to twelve. But in the peak there's

755
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: anywhere from really sixty to seventy catches, and then got

756
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: up to eighty seven that one year. So my thing

757
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: with Henderson is like, how are they gonna split the carries?

758
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: Is gonna be on the field enough if it truly

759
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: is just Travion Henderson in the James White role. Yeah,

760
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Travion Henderson's gonna be top three in the team catches

761
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy.

762
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: So there's two ways to look at what at this take.

763
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: The one way is in a positive that Trayvon Henderson

764
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: is a difference maker and they're just trying to find

765
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: ways to get him.

766
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Before the balls. I think you're gonna there's two things

767
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: behind this take. That's one of them.

768
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: The other one is is that we just drafted this

769
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: running back in the top of the second round and

770
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: we need to get him touches.

771
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's another part of the takedown so that's

772
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: because I'm a worry ward Yeah.

773
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: If the one thing that I worry about with Trayvon

774
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: Henderson and a little bit based off what we've seen

775
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: in these practices too, is that like the swing screen

776
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: in the flat to Travion Henderson is just gonna be

777
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: spammed all season long, whether it's working or not, because

778
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: they're trying to make Travon Henderson happen well like and

779
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 2: it brings me back a little bit to like John

780
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: and Smith in twenty twenty one.

781
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: So but like they've been good about it too, Like

782
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: they when Damien Harris, who was not picked his eye

783
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: as Travan Henderson was top one hundred pick like, when

784
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: it didn't work with him right away, they sat him.

785
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: Now they had other options. I'm not worried about it

786
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: not working because Henderson can't make it work.

787
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: It's just are they just one of them one of

788
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: overdoing it?

789
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 2: And like one of the little faults of Josh because

790
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, I love McDaniels, but one of the little

791
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: faults that he has at times is you know, force

792
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: feeding targets and touches on like you know, the same

793
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: play screenplay.

794
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: Like yeah, ad time, So here's The thing with with

795
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Henderson though, for me, like if you were just gonna

796
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: rank as his potential because a lot of these guys

797
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: we havent seen him yet. But like if you were

798
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: going to rank explosive playmaking ability, big place threat from

799
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: their skill position players, he's number one probably. I think

800
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: he's number one. I don't think he's number one, He's

801
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: up there. I really in terms of a guy that

802
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: has skill position, not running back skill position, So the

803
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: best skill on the team currently, that has the best

804
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: breaking express you know, the ability to tilt, you know,

805
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: flip the field right with his speed. Yeah, I would

806
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: say probably to be Travon Henderson.

807
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd put Pop ahead of him, But I mean maybe,

808
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean tray Van Henderson hasn't played yet in the NFL.

809
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: That's part of it.

810
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: If we're just going off of pure game breaking speed

811
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 2: and play in space, like I I.

812
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Popped, you feel strong. So that was part of the

813
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: other reason I gave that take is like McDaniel's the volume,

814
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: Like he has certain guys that he just wants to

815
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: feed the ball. Yeah, I would imagine tray Van Henderson

816
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be on that short list, Like they don't

817
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: have how many volume receivers do they have? Digs can

818
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: bait certainly Kyle Williams. Maybe I'm I I still like

819
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: to pick. I'm still not entirely sure how they're gonna

820
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: use him. I'm interested to see what that's gonna look like.

821
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: So he could be depending on his role, but the

822
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: X isn't usually a volume role in Josh McDaniel's offense,

823
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: and then Hunter Henry, so there's not in Remandre Hermandre

824
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: is gonna get his fair share the pass game, though maybe.

825
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: Not in the past. I'm saying, like throwing the ball

826
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: in general, he's gonna get.

827
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: But I just I think Henderson's probably on the short

828
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: list of guys that McDaniels is gonna want a volume roll.

829
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's probably, you know, maybe closer than from

830
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: between him and Pop And I made it sound but

831
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: if I had to say, who's the most uh the

832
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: most dangerous player on the field on their roster right now,

833
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: I think it's probably Travon Henderson already.

834
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean the big play guys to me, and this

835
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: is not knowing where Diggs is that after the knee

836
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: and you said before he's kind of this more possession

837
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: receiver now, uh, it's it's it's in whatever order. Travon Henderson,

838
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams, and two of those are unpotential

839
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: because their rookies. But like those are those are your

840
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: big play threats, Hunter Henry really good player, really good player.

841
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: They're more of a chain movie, right. I still think

842
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Rmandreis Evens is a good player. Chain mover, maybe not

843
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: as much in the past game. You know, Mac Hollins

844
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: chain mover, digs at this point, really good chain mover,

845
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: chain mover.

846
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: Those are your big play guys. Okay, So moving on

847
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: to the next item here I had on my list

848
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: Jelanie Devai going down with an injury during practice was

849
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: always those things are always a tough scene. You know,

850
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: players were huddled around him on a knee and things

851
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 2: like that, and it looked worse than luckily at least

852
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: what the reporting is. I think Ian Rapaport was first

853
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: on it yesterday saying that it's an injury that's significant

854
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: enough to knock him out of mini camp or the

855
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: rest of the spring. But that's really just mini camp

856
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: at this point. But it's not.

857
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Well, it's also it said the report said that he

858
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: should be back by he said he's out until training camp. Yeah,

859
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: so that means like maybe some individual stuff he was

860
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: going to do in the offseason he won't be able

861
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: to do. He might be you know, is he a

862
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: guy that opens on pup because he's off on that

863
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: side field and has to get back into football shape

864
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: for the first week or whatever.

865
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So based off the reporting, it's a it's a

866
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 2: calf injury for Jelani to Vuy and and when you

867
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: when I heard that report, it made sense to me

868
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: why the reaction was the reaction because that could be achilles, right,

869
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: and so when everybody was looking, you know, worried and

870
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: concerned about Jelanie to Vai, we didn't really know what

871
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: it was. It looked like a leg injury, but we

872
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: were just looking from across the practice field and really

873
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: had no idea. So when the calf injury came out

874
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: then and then the achilles, uh would make sense. Is

875
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: what people were worried about around him. You know, his

876
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: teammates were worried about that it was and those calf injuries.

877
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 2: As we've all become experts, I'm sure on achilles tendentis

878
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: for other reasons in this region. Uh, the the calf

879
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: is obviously sometimes a prerequisite to blowing in achilles, So

880
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: you have to be careful that you don't come back

881
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: to early. Happened with Kevin Durant, Uh that he came

882
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: back too early, came back for the NBA Finals. What

883
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: are you doing over there? I didn't do any came

884
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: back for the NBA Finals and uh and ruptured his

885
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: achilles after trying to play on a calf injury. So

886
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I don't know a bunch of

887
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: Lyne deVie situation.

888
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: Just just put it on the ground. I just want

889
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: to work.

890
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think the tape gave out breaking stuff. But

891
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: I think that the bigger thing with July Diva is

892
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: not necessarily you know his timeline and return from injury,

893
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: because we're still ways away from playing any games to

894
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: help him out over there. He's just comes into our

895
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: studio starts breaking things. I am doing it fell uh

896
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: and Uh the biggest thing.

897
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: Making sure to not break things. I was swinging the

898
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: micro earlier to get more or less tension on the court.

899
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: I think there's two things that come from the Diva thing. One,

900
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that his job security is one

901
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: hundred percent safe on this team. Like, I'm still I

902
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: think Devi is a perfectly good football player, but I'm

903
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: still trying to figure out his role in this defense

904
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: and well exactly he fits within the scheme that they're

905
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: trying to run currently. And then the second thing is

906
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: is Julyant Devis played a lot of snaps for this

907
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: team over the last couple of years. If he is

908
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: not there, how do we feel about their other options?

909
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: Obviously Splain is going to be a big part of

910
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: that linebacker mix, but how do we feel about it

911
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: being Christian Ellis and Jack Gibbons and maybe my guy Marte.

912
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to that, Like finally three years later,

913
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: you're seeing Marte mop who play some linebacker.

914
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: How do you feel, well, coaching staff that's willing to

915
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: actually pay fast guys and athletic guys at linebacker are

916
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: seeing that it's more of a stylistic Yeah, he can

917
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: fit there, but we've had a lot of questions about this,

918
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I feel like on on our shows about linebacker depth

919
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: and people not being crazy about their options at linebacker,

920
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: and if this coaching staff does have a vision of

921
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: how to use Tavia if Tavia is now not in

922
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: the mix, that really should bring those questions up even

923
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I would think. So first part of the question will

924
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: start there, what do you how do you view Julani

925
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: Tavai right now in the scope of this roster.

926
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's right there on the bubble. Yeah, and I

927
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: think there's a role for him. And we talked about

928
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: this the other week. A guy that comes in goal line,

929
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: short yardage and still gives you that thumping downhill, big

930
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: physical linebacker that you're probably not gonna have on the

931
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: field nearly as much as they used to, but twenty

932
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: five thirty percent of the time is a guy you

933
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: might want to have in your back pocket. And then

934
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: you'll play on special teams as well, right to justify

935
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: the roster spy, So that could be a role. Is

936
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: that a role that they maybe feel like they have

937
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: to have, or maybe you sign somebody the practice squad

938
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: that you can elevate for certain games, Like I don't

939
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: think Devia has to be that guy. I don't think

940
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: he's unique in playing that role. So I think he's

941
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: on the bubble. And if he's gonna miss time in camp,

942
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: that obviously doesn't help. I don't think it's something he

943
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: can't overcome if he's just gonna miss the first week,

944
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, especially with that role be back when the

945
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: pads are on right, we don't need to see in coverage.

946
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: So but I I think he's right there on the bubble.

947
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: He's one of these kind of situational guys that this

948
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: is what the at large roster spots come down to.

949
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Would they rather have that guy.

950
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: Versus maybe it's keeping him to stop the run versus Okay,

951
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: well we want to keep a third height end and

952
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: a full back. They want to keep c. J. Deprie

953
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: and brock Lampy, not Spencer Larson brock Lampy. Right, Maybe

954
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, keeping that sixth wide receiver is the

955
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: difference there. Maybe it's a third quarterback. We go on

956
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: on fourth running back, right, So I think that's probably

957
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: where he's competing. He's going to be in for one

958
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: of those at large spots.

959
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: So my view on it with Tovay in terms of

960
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: his fit in the defense, there is definitely sound reasoning

961
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: to think if they put Robert Splaine and now it's

962
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: different defenses, but just you know, stay with me, if

963
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: they put Robert Splaine in like a Jawan Bentley type

964
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: role where that's he's truly the mic and he's truly

965
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: like the tackle you know guy that that's playing at

966
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: the point of attack and is reading out run trying

967
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: to funnel everything to him. Then you and then you

968
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: put to Vie back into that hybrid fixer role I

969
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: think is what they used to call it in the

970
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: old defense. Like if you put him back in that

971
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: like weak side hybrid role, that's what he played at

972
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: a really high level at a couple.

973
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: Of years ago. Yeah, so I could see the.

974
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: Vision of well, if Spolaine is going to really be

975
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: the Simon sound funneling the ball to him in the

976
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: run game, he's gonna plug the a gaps like that's

977
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: Splaine's role in the defense. Then to VI's back to

978
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: kind of roaming like he was in twenty three and

979
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: here with the Patriots. Then yeah, maybe you could go

980
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: back to seeing the good version of Jelanie Tavia last

981
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: year when he was trying to play the Juwan Bentley role,

982
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: he was overmatched. But maybe if you go back to

983
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: that role a couple of years ago, you could see it.

984
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: But when I watched these practices him and Anthony Jennings

985
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: just stand out to me as guys without a home

986
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: right now. I just don't really feel they want to

987
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: get smaller, they want to get faster at linebacker. If

988
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: you're gonna play weak side linebacker in a defense like

989
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: that like this, there's two things that you have to

990
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: really be able to do. One thing is you got

991
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: to be able to chase the ball right, because you're

992
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: gonna be doing you know, a lot of fitting and

993
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: then spilling right. So you're gonna have the guys at

994
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: the point of attack are gonna try to get the

995
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: ball to bounce outside the numbers, So you need to

996
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: have somebody that can go across the field and make

997
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: that tackle when the ball bounces. Is that really Jelani

998
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: Devi's game.

999
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1000
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: Maybe he can lose some weight and get down to

1001
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: a faster or more sleek version of himself to be

1002
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: that way. And the other thing is when you roll

1003
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: into zone coverage, you know, the weak side linebacker has

1004
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: a lot of a really high stress zone assignments, especially

1005
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: in cover three defenses when he's playing like the week Cook,

1006
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: where like you might have to pick up a crossing

1007
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: route or something like that from the opposite side. So

1008
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot of athleticism that it usually takes to

1009
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: play that kind of role in this a true even

1010
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: front mechanic type defense. So we'll see what if that's

1011
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 2: to buy Like, it definitely feels like it's a little

1012
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: bit more Christian Ellis, Jack Gibbons, you know, one of

1013
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: those types of guys. Maybe it's Marte mop who finally

1014
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: clicks for him and it's sort of his type of role.

1015
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: Maybe it's you know, dugger in the box right and

1016
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 2: he's the one that's really playing that kind of weak

1017
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: side role. So it'd be interesting to see where that

1018
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: goes in terms of his fit. Because Jennings stand up edgsetter,

1019
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: this is a four down defense, Like, that's not really

1020
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: a role anymore in this defense. To vise, you know,

1021
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: that big hybrid linebacker, that's not really a role too

1022
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: much in this defense either. So whenever we watch these practices,

1023
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: those two guys just look to me like solid football players,

1024
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: guys that can contribute and certainly can deserve to be

1025
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: on teams. But where do they fit on this football team?

1026
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm still not entirely sure. How do we feel about

1027
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: their debt behind to vide behind Splaine. This is again

1028
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: a question that we get all the time, you know,

1029
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: asking questions about that linebacker position.

1030
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sleep on Jack Gibbons, you know. I don't

1031
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: think he's Splaine, but he's somebody that people in Tennessee

1032
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: were high on, kind of surprised that he was let go,

1033
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's in the opportunities he's gotten. He's

1034
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: looked good. And Marte Mapu in the picture as well.

1035
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: It's not their deepest position. I don't know that it's

1036
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: a spot that I'm super worried about, because again, Tavai

1037
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like if Spalaine goes down right, and if you

1038
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: or Gibbons right, you're trying to plug somebody into that role.

1039
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: That's not a role you're plugging to Vay into that

1040
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: ideal because he plays it the game completely differently. So

1041
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: could they use another linebacker maybe, Like I wouldn't be

1042
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: against that, and that might be a guy you can

1043
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: just get on waivers or something. Yeah, you know, down

1044
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: the road. But I don't know that I felt any

1045
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: better or worse like depending on Tavai. He's in a

1046
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: different category to me.

1047
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I either way, I feel is not any worse

1048
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: really about it either, because I don't think that they're

1049
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: gonna play a lot more than two linebackers at a time.

1050
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: And then when I say linebackers, I mean like true

1051
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: off linebackers, like their base defense will have two off

1052
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: ball linebackers. But I don't envision them playing very many

1053
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: linebackers to begin with. On third down. I don't know

1054
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: if they're going to be playing any of those guys. Well, so,

1055
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: and I mean, you know, I'm sure situationally third and short.

1056
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: So that's where I think. Well, no, I say third

1057
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: and long like Christianellis we saw last year after in coverage.

1058
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: Right, But is Christianelli's gonna play or are they gonna

1059
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: do like you know, are they going to add another

1060
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: pass rusher onto the field and still are pure pass.

1061
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing I was gonna say is they

1062
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: can you know, they have safeties that can do some

1063
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: linebacker type and Peppers and and Doug It.

1064
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: I just I just wonder if nowadays, when you look

1065
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: at a third down defense, and I'm talking about like

1066
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: third and medium to long, you know, third and five plus,

1067
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: a lot of defenses play like five rushers and then

1068
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: six defensive backs and there's like really no middle there's

1069
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: no middle layer to that. If they run the football,

1070
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: then the safeties are just coming from depth and filling

1071
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: like their linebackers. They really have done away with the

1072
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: mid range there of a defense, right, like that doesn't

1073
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: really exist anymore. It's five guys up up top, you know,

1074
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: across the line of scrimmage to rush the quarterback, and

1075
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: then it's the six guys in the back end. And

1076
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: so at that point, I don't even know if Splain

1077
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: is gonna necessarily be on the field a ton on

1078
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: like third and eight, right, Like, I just I don't

1079
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: know if that's necessarily going to be where he plays.

1080
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: So I.

1081
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm saying they need like three linebackers.

1082
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: They need three linebackers for the season that can have

1083
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: that they feel comfortable playing at a high volume because

1084
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: someone will get hurt, right Unfortunately, that's just the nature

1085
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: of the beast. Well, is that Splain, Gibbons and Ellis?

1086
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: It could be, It could be. I think there's a

1087
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: really good possibility that it is, or you know, maybe

1088
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: it's ends up being a spline to vay in Ellis

1089
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: and then Gibbons is kind of like the fourth guy,

1090
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: that's an a special teamer slash, you know, depth piece.

1091
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: But that's more what I think Tavay is. Yeah, because

1092
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: if you want again, he's not a one for one

1093
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: swap with Spline or even Ellis where Gibbons is. Yeah.

1094
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, a couple more items on Ota

1095
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: s UH here and then we'll open up the phone

1096
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: lines eight five five Pats five hundred is the phone

1097
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: number if you want to jump in. We have a

1098
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: bunch of emails coming into UH that we'll get to

1099
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: here starting in a second. But I gotta ask you,

1100
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: Alex June fourth, are we no not yet? Are we

1101
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: buying or selling our chism stock right now? Are you

1102
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: buying this efton chism hype?

1103
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: So I don't think I'm as hyped as most people.

1104
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: Here's our Matt with eftin chism and this is a

1105
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: very this is very much not a we have a

1106
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: show to do today take.

1107
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: But we talked about this last year.

1108
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna be You're gonna sit on the fence. We've

1109
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: been before, right, it's not sitting on the fence. It's

1110
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: not quite sitting on the fence. Okay, I don't think

1111
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: is a Udfa or is anybody really you can win

1112
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: a roster spot in June. I just don't think you

1113
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: can do it. Football's played in pads, are not in pats.

1114
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: That being said me, and you have seen what it

1115
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: takes for Udfa, even at that position, to make a

1116
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: roster push and make the team. We saw that Jacobe

1117
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Myers obviously do it. Even other guys who made the

1118
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: team and maybe didn't have as much of an impact,

1119
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: a guy like Christian Wilkerson. Right, we've seen what it takes.

1120
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: And ft and Chisholm right now is laying as good

1121
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: of a foundation as he could possibly lay to go

1122
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: into camp with the stage set for him to win

1123
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: a roster spot. The two things that stand out to

1124
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: me about e Fton Chishlm Number one, really good hands catcher. Yeah,

1125
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: And as much as the Patriots have struggled assimilating wide

1126
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: receivers into Josh McDaniel's offense stortally, not just in the

1127
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: draft free agents, right, there's not and the ones that

1128
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: have hit, there's not necessarily a ton of carryover between them.

1129
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: It's not all one similar guy, but one thing they

1130
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: all have in common. From Dion Branch to us welcome

1131
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: to Julian Edelman, even Rob Gronkowski, they're all really good

1132
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: hands catchers. What that means is you can go outside

1133
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: your frame and get the football. You don't need to

1134
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: bring it in, you don't need to cradle it off

1135
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: your body. It's just two hands. Like remember those old

1136
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy football commercials. I think it's Chris Cooley like

1137
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: punching through the wall to catch the football, right, Like,

1138
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: that's what you think of when you think of hands catching.

1139
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: I once heard a coach say, like, catching the football

1140
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: is not a passive activity.

1141
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: It is an active activity.

1142
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: You attack the football, you go out, you go get

1143
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: the football. And part of this too, is another layer

1144
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: to this. And this was a big Randy Moss thing

1145
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: and Rob Gronkowski thing. Not to put Chisselm in the

1146
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: same category.

1147
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: As those guys, That's what I heard.

1148
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Late hands right, you don't want as soon as the

1149
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: ball is thrown, go like this because the cornerback's covering you,

1150
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: especially in man where he's not looking at the quarterback.

1151
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: All right, hands are up, balls coming. You watch some

1152
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: like prime Randy Moss. The last second, it's just just

1153
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: real quick with the hands, put the ball out and

1154
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: he's been doing that so one strong hands catcher, which

1155
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: generally works with Josh McDaniels too. It's been unbelievable the

1156
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: top of the route, his ability to set up, stack

1157
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: the defender, break off in an open space, it's consistent,

1158
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: it's clean every single time. So I love that he's

1159
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: doing all that. I got to see it in pads

1160
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: because what happens when the corner and I know, I

1161
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: legal contact blah blah blah, but there's aways a little

1162
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: pushing and shoving right at the top of the route.

1163
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: What happens in the corner can get his hands on

1164
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: him at the top of the route. What happens when

1165
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: he's getting off the line of scrimmage? What about how

1166
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: good are his hands through contact? Right? So I'm not

1167
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I've seen people be like Efton Chisholm and Roster Locke territory.

1168
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: Yet no, he's not. You can't be. Nobody, no Udfa

1169
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: can be at this point of the year. It's just

1170
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: not realistic. But he's doing everything he needs to do

1171
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: at this point that when we get to August and

1172
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: the pads come on, like, we're not just going to

1173
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: be learning about He's set the stage. He's built the foundation.

1174
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: So we always talk.

1175
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: About Maurus Harris as the number one poster child for this.

1176
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give Marius Harris a break here today and

1177
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: talk about somebody else.

1178
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's a little different because Maurice Harris was more

1179
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: straight line speed.

1180
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: And he was also more of a veteran player. But

1181
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: the guy that I wanted to bring up today was actually,

1182
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: do you remember, I want to say it was twenty two.

1183
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: Trade Nixon had a really nice spring. Yes, Trade Nixon

1184
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 2: had a really like I had a really nice spring.

1185
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: Trade Nixon was a seventh round pick by the Patriots.

1186
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 2: I don't believe so I think he retired. Actually, oh

1187
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, he's a seventh round pick by the Patriots.

1188
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: He was Ernie Adams's pick. It was there his last draft.

1189
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: He drafted Trade Nixon. Bill gave him the pick, drafted

1190
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: Trade Nixon, and Trade Nixon was a speedy, shifty UH

1191
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: receiver inside receiver mostly, and he had that skill set

1192
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: and for the spring portion, UH he was lighting it

1193
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: up with Mac Jones. Like him and mac Jones had

1194
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: a rapport. It looked like that was going places. And

1195
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: then to your point, the pads came on in August

1196
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: and we never heard of trade Nixon again.

1197
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: It just completely dropped off.

1198
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: He also battled injuries throughout his career, nagging things that

1199
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: just kept on derailing his development and to that, and

1200
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 2: you know, we've just built up scar tissue over time

1201
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: here with these types of examples with our time on

1202
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: the beat of knowing when you just can't overreact to

1203
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: guys this time of year. But I would say you

1204
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: especially can't overreact to guys this time of year that

1205
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: are really nifty route runners, like guys that really know

1206
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: how to separate, because you can't get your hands on people,

1207
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: you can't be physical. There's no threat of the safety

1208
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: coming down in clocking. You're not that they do that

1209
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: in practice necessarily anyways, but there's just not a whole

1210
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 2: lot of resistance and physicality to the game right now,

1211
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: so we have to see it when the pads come on.

1212
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: That being said, the one thing I am buying with

1213
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: Defton Chisholm that makes me think that he has a

1214
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: clear path to making this roster is that he just

1215
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: fits the mold, like he fits the suit of what

1216
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels looks for in that slot position, and you

1217
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: mentioned the hands catching and attacking the football. That's a

1218
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: big part of it. Another big part of it is

1219
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, finding those pockets of space and being able

1220
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: to navigate high traffic areas over the middle of the

1221
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: field and just knowing when to settle, knowing when to

1222
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: sit against zone, knowing how to break off option routes.

1223
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: And when you start talking about the slot position and McDaniels'

1224
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: offense over the years, one of the things that always

1225
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: is important too is that it's a very high IQ

1226
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: position because you have a lot of options to your routes.

1227
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: Every route you run is going to have conversions or

1228
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 2: options where if it's zone, you're doing this. If it's man,

1229
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: you're breaking away. If it's zone, you're sitting here. If

1230
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: it's too high zone, you're sitting there. If it's one

1231
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: high zone, you're sitting here. Like there's all sorts of

1232
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: different intricacies to playing that specific position. We all know

1233
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: probably about the Juke series with host juke and all

1234
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, where it's different breaks and different

1235
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: sort of things based off the coverage. It's not a

1236
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: coincidence that Julian Edelman, former quarterback Kobe Meyer's former quarterback.

1237
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: Like the guys that we've seen recently succeed at a

1238
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: high level in that role have all had backgrounds as

1239
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks. Now, Efton Chisholm doesn't have that, But when

1240
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: I watch ft and Chisholm play in here so far

1241
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: in the spring, he has that high IQ or that

1242
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: innate ability to just find those areas of the field.

1243
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: So it's not I'm not so much.

1244
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: Over the top about e ft and Chislm individually in

1245
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: a vacuum, but I am seeing, Okay, this is a

1246
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel slot receiver. And we talked about in the

1247
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: draft whether it was like Xavier or Estreppo or any

1248
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: of those types of guys. This was just kind of

1249
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: like small school Xavier restrict. Yeah, like that's what they

1250
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: kind of did here with Chishm, and that archetype has

1251
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: a role on this team.

1252
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: So I again, it's not to say, you know, we're

1253
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of coming in here and really talking down on

1254
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: the kid.

1255
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: It's not to say we don't think he can do it.

1256
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: Like I still put together, like I'll do a ross

1257
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: projection after many camp next week, I'm probably gonna have

1258
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: him one yeah, like I think he's on pace to

1259
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: do it, and the things we've seen him do he's

1260
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: done well again finding space, creating separation at the top

1261
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: of the route, catching the football.

1262
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 2: But that's not.

1263
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: There are more things he's going to need to prove

1264
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: he can do in order to make the team. It's

1265
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: not that he's failed at them, they just haven't come

1266
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: up yet, because that's how this process works. So he's

1267
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: just got to check a couple more boxes that he

1268
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: hasn't even gotten to, and he's on track to make

1269
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: the team. But to say he's you know, a roster

1270
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: lock right now or trending in that direction, it's just

1271
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: entirely too early.

1272
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 2: So if you're I know it's stereotypical to talk about

1273
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: Ethan Chisholm in this way, But there's a reason why

1274
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: every single time a Ryley McCarron or An Austin Carr

1275
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: or any Braxon Barrios, when those guys start came through

1276
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: here in the Dynasty years and the Brady years, there's

1277
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: a reason why everybody latched onto those guys as there's

1278
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: a possibility this player can make the roster. And I

1279
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: say that they you know, I feel the same way

1280
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: about Chisholm, Like, I think that Chisholm just has that

1281
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 2: mold and has that skill set that just fits the role.

1282
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: And Drake May in college and a lot of people

1283
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: have brought this up with Pop Douglas, and I think

1284
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: it is relevant with Pop as well. His most productive

1285
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: receiver in college was Josh Down Yeah, and that's a smaller,

1286
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 2: shifty slot receiver. I still think and I talked about

1287
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: this yesterday when I was on with Felger and Maz like,

1288
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: people need to stop putting Pop Douglas and Efton Chism

1289
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: together as if it's one of the other, because it's

1290
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: not there. They play differently. There are different types of

1291
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: and you know.

1292
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: Felger's take yesterday was Chisholm on Pop off, to which

1293
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: I'd say, if Pop's not making the team, and we

1294
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: sort of talked to those fourth the running backs, they

1295
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: can't afford to give up on that speed. Not for

1296
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: guy with that with the ability that he has, it's

1297
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: already not a fast room. And if you move on

1298
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: from Pop Douglas. So I look at it like Chisholm

1299
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: is more than that Edelman Jacobe Myers mold.

1300
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: He's built more like Edelman.

1301
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: I think his skill set is probably closer to Myers,

1302
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: but he's just not as big Pop Douglas. To me,

1303
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: I'll keep going back to this is Danny Amandola. Pop

1304
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: Douglass is built like a slot receiver, but he plays

1305
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: more vertically, and he has more of that straight line

1306
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: speed that allows you to keep a defense honest vertically

1307
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: rather than a guy like Edelman or Myers who stretches

1308
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: you horizontally. They can both be on the roster. Frankly,

1309
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: they can both be on the field at the same time.

1310
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: Not all the time because he can't be that small

1311
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: all the time, but there is absolutely.

1312
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: Room for both of them. I don't think it's in

1313
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: one or the other.

1314
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't really think they're comparable players if it had been,

1315
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: if they had drafted Jalen Noel. He's more comfortable to

1316
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: Pop Douglass to me, because he has more of that

1317
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: game breaking speed. He's faster, he's more a vertical player.

1318
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't think Chisholm and Pop there's some similarities, not

1319
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: entirely different, but I think to say, you know, oh, well,

1320
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: they have these receivers guys like Pop Douglas and Fton Chisholm.

1321
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: Those are two different players.

1322
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: That's like saying, yeah, they have a bunch of running backs,

1323
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: guys like Sony Michelle and James White, both good players.

1324
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and James White are not the same, Like

1325
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: they don't do the same thing. Yeah, there's some overlap

1326
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: between pop and chism, but I don't think it's nearly

1327
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: as much as people are making it. I agree, And

1328
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know about Ammon Doola, Like when I watch

1329
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: pop though, I don't know if he's ever going to

1330
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: get to the volume that Dion Branch got to.

1331
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that's sort of the type of I

1332
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: thought Kyle Williams movements. I just feel like, I don't know.

1333
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 2: I I feel like Kyle Williams is more what I

1334
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: am starting to see with him is more Brandon cos

1335
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: that's on Branch. But like that that's the way that

1336
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: I just look at pop just because of the the

1337
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: the quick twitch ability, Like Dion Branch was also very

1338
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: quick and has that like those explosive shifty movements, and

1339
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: that Pop Douglas has. Pop Douglas also, I think, you know,

1340
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: to your point about them being different, Pop Douglas can

1341
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: be a scheme touch guy like Pop Douglas can be

1342
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: a screen merchant. He can be a jet sweep guy.

1343
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: You know, you can get him the ball near the

1344
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage in some space and he can run

1345
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: with the football. That's not eft Chism's game. Aft Chism

1346
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: does not have juice like that. After the catch, He's

1347
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: going to get caught from behind. He's not going to

1348
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: stretch the field horizontally on a jet sweep.

1349
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: Or something like that.

1350
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: Efton Chishm is going to be that Julian Edelman Wes

1351
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: Welker type of slot receiver that's just going to you know,

1352
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: eat up middle of the field coverage, right Like, that's

1353
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: gonna be at Chism if he succeeds, if he pans out.

1354
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: So they are different in that sense. Pop Douglas is

1355
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: much more explosive than Afton Chism. Is The difference to

1356
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: me though with Pop compared deft and Chishlm is that

1357
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: I think Efton Chisholm has a little bit more of

1358
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: feel an instinct. He's a better out runner of the game, yea,

1359
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: not just the physical technique but the mental size.

1360
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1361
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: Like Pop Douglas is a great man to man beater

1362
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 2: because he's just he's just runs away. Hell yeah, right,

1363
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: and it's just hard to cover him in a phone booth.

1364
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: But he's not necessarily the best at like fueling out

1365
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: coverage and understanding where to sit and understanding where the

1366
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: voids are and finding the space. If he developed that,

1367
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: then I think Pop Douglas could be like in a

1368
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver in this offense. I don't know if

1369
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: he's ever going to develop that now that we're going

1370
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: into year three, I don't know if that exists in

1371
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: his We'll see how they use him, we'll see how

1372
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: they work with him.

1373
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: But again I just I don't think him And like

1374
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: the guy Chisholm is really competing with for me is

1375
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: Jaylen Polk, Like that's the similar and again.

1376
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: Paul Kendrick Bourne those types of things.

1377
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: But I think Polk especially because again that's that Polk

1378
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: got all the comps to Myers, right, that's the guy

1379
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily fast, but is going to get open

1380
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: at the sticks. And then again what Polk was supposed

1381
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: to be not what he was last year, but we

1382
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: talked about him in the draft. He's gonna get open

1383
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: at the sticks. He's gonna find space in the defense,

1384
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna sit down and his own things like that.

1385
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: That's the guy that plays more like Chisholm in theory

1386
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: is Polk. That really, to me is the big competition.

1387
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: Those two guys are more redundant than Chisholm and Pop.

1388
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: Chishm and Pop are just they have similar builds.

1389
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the word that I've heard Joshua Daniel's using the

1390
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: past is like he brings energy, like he puts energy

1391
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: into the offense. Pop Douglas puts energy like. That's what

1392
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: he does now efton Chisholm, I'm not sure if that

1393
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: he's gonna do that right, but he's also I think

1394
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a little bit more a feel for

1395
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: the the for coverage and for the game in general.

1396
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: All Right, moving on now to another thing that's just

1397
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: really on my radar with his team, and then I'll

1398
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: give you a second to talk about the kickers before.

1399
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: We wrap this up.

1400
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 2: But this is and I know we've been pretty offense heavy,

1401
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: but this wasn't really a big It wasn't a big

1402
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: defense practice, to be honest with you. But the one

1403
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: thing that's really squarely on the radar for me right

1404
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: now is what's going on at left guard. I really

1405
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: feel like they're searching for a left guard. I'm not

1406
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: saying there is a guy, isn't a guy on the

1407
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: roster that necessarily I'm not saying that they're they're in

1408
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 2: trouble with that spot yet. But you have a guy

1409
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: like Wes Schweitzer, who we've talked about in the past,

1410
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: kind of like a Michael Jordan from last year, right

1411
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: where it's a veteran guy. He started some games in

1412
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: the league, but he's not necessarily you don't necessarily feel

1413
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: awesome if he's the starter. Let's just put it too

1414
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: that way, you don't necessarily feel awesome. Then you have

1415
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: some younger guys that either haven't lived up to it,

1416
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: like Cole Strange and he was asked point plant the

1417
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: other day frankly, you just haven't lived up to being

1418
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: a first round pick. And he kind of knows it right,

1419
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't shy away from it. And then

1420
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: you have you know, citysow Leyden Robinson, who we haven't

1421
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: really seen as much of getting those opportunities with the

1422
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: top group. I knew Tyrese Robinson did last week when

1423
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: we were out there, but whatever reason, and I don't

1424
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: know what the reason is, but it doesn't feel like

1425
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson is necessarily catching on. Just based off the

1426
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: reps and what we're seeing out at practice, it doesn't

1427
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: seem like he's really the in that mix yet for

1428
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: that spot. If it's Schweitzer, I feel I don't feel

1429
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: great about that in terms of, you know, just overall

1430
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: getting your best five out there and top end talent

1431
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: type of thing. But maybe he could just kind of

1432
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 2: be at least a steady presence there.

1433
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: For George. We did this a couple of weeks ago,

1434
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: but he's got to be better than Michael Jordan's I

1435
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: know he did, but can he be Teddy Carris but

1436
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: the guy that started with ten games in the last

1437
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: three years. So no, no the answer, But I'm not

1438
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: saying it's right. But I didn't we to have this debate,

1439
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: like a couple.

1440
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,919
Speaker 2: Of weeks ago about him being Michael Jordan.

1441
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: Be in it and don't rule out, don't rule him out.

1442
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: I think it's wide open. I think they're gonna let

1443
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: it be settled when the pads come on. I think

1444
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna come down to. And this goes

1445
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: back to us not seeing all the practices. Right, We've

1446
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: seen West Schweitzer, we've seen Cole Strange, We've seen I think,

1447
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: did city still have a left guard day or was

1448
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: here right I saw?

1449
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1450
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: We saw somebody else. We saw Robinson as he was.

1451
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't there the other day. But like who there's

1452
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: probably a Laydon Robinson day behind closed doors, you know,

1453
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: just clods into a day behind closed doors. So a

1454
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: day behind closed doors, who knows. We'll see a little

1455
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: bit next week because we'll be out there all three days.

1456
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: But like I think it's gonna be when the pads

1457
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: come on, it's wide open. Somebody will have to get

1458
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: the first snap, just because somebody's got to go yeah,

1459
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: and maybe that'll be Schweitzer, just based on what we've seen.

1460
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: But lightly, lightly, lightly penciling that in, I don't think.

1461
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: I think they're far from decided.

1462
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: It's it's something that's worth talking about. We talked about

1463
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: on this show. I know for a fact, signing a

1464
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: veteran left guard that was maybe a little bit more

1465
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 2: proven and a little bit more stabled in West Schweitzer

1466
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: in free agency or possibly drafting somebody high to play

1467
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 2: left guard. You know, we talked at nauseum about guys

1468
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: like Wyatt Milam and stuff like that.

1469
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like they might have thought about it. It

1470
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: reports he had fallen thirty eight. Yeah, so you know

1471
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: those types of guys. We still haven't seen Jared Wilson

1472
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: participate in full yet, so maybe Jared Wilson eventually gets in.

1473
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why I keep going

1474
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: back to Jared Wilson potentially playing some guard as a

1475
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: rookie is because I just don't feel great about that

1476
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: spot right now, and if he's the best for it,

1477
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,919
Speaker 1: then by all means, let him play. The big concern

1478
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: is not just that it's a potential weak link. It's

1479
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: also the guy that's going to be playing next to

1480
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. So like Will Campbell is going to be

1481
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: a rookie and he's going to be out there, and

1482
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: if you don't feel great about who's that left guard,

1483
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: you know that that's a weaker side of the line

1484
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: in pass protection, especially that potentially that's a concern. You know,

1485
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury, I'm not sure Garrett brad what Garrett.

1486
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: Bradbury has left yet. You know, is he going to

1487
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 2: be a high end center like he was a couple

1488
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 2: of years ago, or is he going to be the

1489
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 2: guy he was last year in Minnesota, which is a

1490
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: guy that was on the outside looking in for the Vikings.

1491
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 2: They signed Ryan Kelly to move on from Garrett Bradbury.

1492
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: So I wish I could sit here and say, and look,

1493
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be alarmist. Certainly, it's June fourth.

1494
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: We still haven't seen any of these guys in pat

1495
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: so there's a long, long way to go here. But

1496
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: I still feel like the offensive line, the only part

1497
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: of the offensive line I feel one hundred percent good

1498
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: about is the right side, Like and Morgan Moses, I

1499
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: think are going to be a good right side. The

1500
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 2: rest of it I think is still up in the air.

1501
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to feel kind of good about

1502
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. He's an unknown because he's.

1503
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 2: A Rookieel good about Will Campbell and his future. Yeah,

1504
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: Will camp rookie is going to have some bumps.

1505
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: Now get what you're saying out well, and then it's

1506
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: if Jared Wilson wins the starting job, left cards between

1507
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:26,480
Speaker 1: two rookies.

1508
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: Right, and then I again, Brad that's fine, but it's

1509
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: not that's a high end center.

1510
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: It's a pressing thing, and it's not one of these

1511
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: like they've had the last few years, some of these

1512
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: and it's not unique to them, just the way these

1513
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: practices work. But like the last few years they've had

1514
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: some of these offensive line battles continue into the season. Yeah,

1515
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: continue in a September. You really don't want to be

1516
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: doing that next to a rookie with the second year quarterback.

1517
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't.

1518
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: You didn't want to be doing with the rookie quarterback

1519
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: last year. By the way, let me be clear, like

1520
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: they screwed up last year too, I shouldn't say too.

1521
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: They haven't screwed up yet this year. I won't punish

1522
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: him for something done. But that's something you got to

1523
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: know when you cut down the rosters, who you're starting

1524
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: left card.

1525
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, it's definitely on my mind. Okay, uh, here's

1526
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: your kicker minute. It was another good day for Andy

1527
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: burgallis correct? Yeah he's rolling. Yeah, Yeah, he's rolling.

1528
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: It looks good.

1529
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: That's it.

1530
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna keep Parker Romo love it because

1531
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: I think one they want to keep the pressure on

1532
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: borgas the camp two. I think they're gonna want to

1533
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: keep him on the practice squad as a backup, just

1534
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: in case, more so injury than anything else. But Borgollis

1535
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: is looking like a guy who was drafted, which is good.

1536
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: So they haven't always had that. The last couple of

1537
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: draft picks have not gone well. I won't bring up

1538
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: the first one. A couple of even make the teams

1539
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 2: all right, No, and then Chad Ryland, of course, you

1540
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: know a couple of yearsly.

1541
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: A good start. Yeah, he went good in camp and

1542
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: then he fell off because he beat out Nick Folk.

1543
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: It's not it's not. My point is it's not a

1544
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 2: guarantee that it goes well, right.

1545
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: And well, And it's not a guarantee goes well from this,

1546
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: Like kicking so fickle, it's not guaranteed at any point.

1547
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: But like so far, so good from Andy, borgallis not

1548
01:12:59,120 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: not worried about anything.

1549
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 2: Love it all right before we open it up, I

1550
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: promise you will hear in a second, I just want

1551
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about David Andrews's retirement ceremony.

1552
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 2: Awesome ceremony on Monday afternoon after the open ota that

1553
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: we've just talked about, and a couple of things. First

1554
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 2: of all, I think that one of the coolest things

1555
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: that we do is those video montages of all the

1556
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 2: former teammates that ye come in and give a message

1557
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 2: to David Andrews on his retirement from Brady Gronk Edelman

1558
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: his offensive line like it hit me in the feels

1559
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: a little bit, just a nostalgia Patriots fan.

1560
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: Well, there are some deep poles in there too. Yeah,

1561
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: we can get to those and explain them a little bit.

1562
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: Nate Solder, Joe Toney, Shaq Mason, and I don't think

1563
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: Sea Bascot in there. Marcus Cannon, So you know that

1564
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: that was the line, right like that, like when they

1565
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: were rolling and they were winning Super Bowls in Andrews'

1566
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: career and you know, sixteen and eighteen, that was that

1567
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 2: was mostly the group.

1568
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: And really it's because Cannon no offense. Marcus Cannon, he

1569
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: came in earlier.

1570
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if did him and SeaBASS overlap

1571
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: now I'm thinking about it.

1572
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they did.

1573
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 2: I think Sebastian retired before David Andrews. David Andrews were

1574
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, right Volmer, was they overlapped for oh?

1575
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: They overlapped for two years, okay, but it was that

1576
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: that interior of Shaq Mason, Joe Toney, David Andrews. They

1577
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: all came in within like a year of each other,

1578
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: and it was they all kind of went right into

1579
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: starting roles and like that, that three man interior was

1580
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: rock one of the best in football. While they were together,

1581
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: one of the best in football. And all three brought

1582
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: different things. Toney was just a technician and a great

1583
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: athlete and just a high level player at left guard

1584
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: that could do a bunch of different things. Shaq was

1585
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: a bulldozer like he was you know, pulled shack Mason

1586
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: through the hole was a staple play for them, and

1587
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: he he was an absolutely elite run blocker in his prime.

1588
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: David Andrews was a snarl. He was the attitude. Yeah,

1589
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 2: he was the tone setter. They all brought it. I

1590
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: was gonna say Drake may Tom Brady's shelf was kept

1591
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: clean for for four or five years ago there with

1592
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 2: that group. Like the it feel like up the middle

1593
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 2: was never an issue. Even when Aaron Donald in the

1594
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they're just you know, keeping him at bay

1595
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: with those.

1596
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 1: Is that Dante Scarnecki's masterpiece.

1597
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, you know, it just was in general that

1598
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 2: by the way. Yeah, Scar was there, which was very cool.

1599
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

1600
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: Not in the red jacket though, which I I you know,

1601
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: I would just walk around with that thing on.

1602
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like that of guy.

1603
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 2: No, that's what I would do. But yeah, like I

1604
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: mentioned a bunch of different players in that video, James

1605
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: White was in it, Doron Harmon, both mccordy's were in it.

1606
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: Some of the deep cuts, so Jared Stidham was in it.

1607
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: David Andrews and Jared Sidham are tight, really tight. Their

1608
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: wives were really close as well when Jared Sidham was here,

1609
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 2: So that one is playing by relationships. You know, that's

1610
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 2: a good friend of David Andrews's. Aj Derby similar thing, great, Paul, Yeah,

1611
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: aj Derby, Yeah, so I think to some people were

1612
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: sitting there and like, how did aj Derby and Jared

1613
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 2: sit him get in this video? So you know that

1614
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: those are really good personal friends of David Andrews.

1615
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said he lived with aj Derby. I

1616
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: think their rookie year. Yeah, they were that same class

1617
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: real quick aj Derby minute. Yeah, so he was here

1618
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: the year that Brady was suspended. Jimmy got hurt in

1619
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 1: that second game, right, and then Jacoby tears his thumb

1620
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: and they have to go into that game. If I'm

1621
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: remembering correctly, maybe it was a different game. They were

1622
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,440
Speaker 1: going into some game where they were super thin on quarterbacks.

1623
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: AJ Derby was a college quarterback. Yeah, he was here

1624
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: for those twenty sixteen Yeah. I was so convinced we're

1625
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: going to see j Derby play quarterback for the poder Man,

1626
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: even if it was just like a wrinkle trick play

1627
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: something Josh drew up because again their quarterback, the one

1628
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster. His throwing thumb didn't work. He

1629
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 1: was a rookie, rookie fourth round pick, like you gotta

1630
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: put a wrinkle in. I really thought we were gonna

1631
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: see a J Derby play place now for the Patriots.

1632
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: He hung around the league for a little bit. I

1633
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: didn't really see Howny around as long as he did

1634
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: good for him. Yeah, cool, cool moment. Always with that.

1635
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: I just love not to get all weird, but I

1636
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: love watching the player watching it like David Andrews like

1637
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: watching it and just like huge smile on his face

1638
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: the entire time, And that that was awesome. I'm sure

1639
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: it feels great to hear that from all your teammates.

1640
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: And then David Andrews just raw emotion from the jump

1641
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: in his speech. The second he got up to the

1642
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 2: podium and started trying to read the speech, he was

1643
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: starting to break down already, and you just could see

1644
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: and we knew this just being you know, fans following

1645
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: his career from the outside, us being a little bit

1646
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 2: on the inside and being able to talk to David

1647
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: Andrews over the last handful of years. Football is everything

1648
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 2: to that guy. You know, he's invested in the sport

1649
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 2: and you could tell by his speech and just a

1650
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: great a lot of great speech, you know, words in

1651
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: his speech about you know, the sacrifices of not only

1652
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: his family, but also just you know what the game

1653
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: of football meant.

1654
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: I loved that he thanked the game of football. Yeah,

1655
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: I thought that was so cool. And you know, he

1656
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: opened up talking about he wanted to express gratitude and

1657
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:25,839
Speaker 1: I think gratitude and reverence, yeah, for the game itself.

1658
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: And I and this come for me, like I don't.

1659
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: I wish I love football half as much as David

1660
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: Andrews does. Like that football guy through and through. That's

1661
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was awesome just to see and

1662
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: it was great for him to get to thank so

1663
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: many people that his whole family is everything. His parents

1664
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: are there right, his wife's kids. Just thinking the sport itself.

1665
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: I thought it was so cool.

1666
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really cool. And his sons were there,

1667
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: two young sons, And I think David Andrews would be

1668
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: a great coach if he wanted to into coaching. He

1669
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: could definitely coach an offensive line room someday if he

1670
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: wanted to do that.

1671
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: Now.

1672
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: His son Ford and Worth are both like three under three.

1673
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: The Worth is a baby, so I can totally understand

1674
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: if he wants to live life with them for a

1675
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: little while and not. He said he said that, Yeah,

1676
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: he said he wasn't looking to get a coaching Yeah,

1677
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: because coaching is an eighty ninety hour a week maybe

1678
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: more during the season type of job, and and that

1679
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, takes you away from your family even more

1680
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: than playing does in a lot of ways. So I

1681
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: don't know if that's necessarily on in his future because

1682
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: of that, but I would venture to say that just

1683
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 2: based off of what he said the other day and

1684
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 2: also what he said in the past when it's been

1685
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: kind of clear that retirement might be in the thought

1686
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,879
Speaker 2: process towards the ends of some of these recent seasons.

1687
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: He loves the game too much not be around. He's

1688
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: gonna be around the game somehow.

1689
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: He's doing the podcast, maybe around media wise, but David

1690
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Andrews at some point wouldn't surprise me.

1691
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: A local media presence, not too different from our friend

1692
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 2: Zolac or something like that, is not out of the question,

1693
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't think for him.

1694
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: So, you know, him being around in that he was good.

1695
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: So he right after he was like two weeks I

1696
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: think after he was cut, he did an hour with

1697
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: that with Zolac and Purtrade. He was good. He was good.

1698
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could definitely see that for him. And that's

1699
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 2: obviously way less time consuming than coaching, So you know,

1700
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: he could definitely do something like that. But a really

1701
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 2: cool moment. It's one of the players and that we

1702
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: actually got to spend a lot of time covering. Yeah,

1703
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 2: some of these guys we weren't around for as long.

1704
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: But David Andrews started in fifteen, I started in eighteen,

1705
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen.

1706
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: Him and Cardona where we start in eighteen, Him and

1707
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: Cardona were the last two guys that we like didn't cover. Yeah, right,

1708
01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: Like I watched David Andrews the last game. I so

1709
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: I like tangentially covered the team when celing As was

1710
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: starting up in twenty seventeen, Like yeah, I would, you know,

1711
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: write about the games and did podcasts and stuff, but

1712
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: I was doing it from home. It was a side thing.

1713
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't credentially, I wasn't down here whatever. The

1714
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: last game, like I watched not covering the game is

1715
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: twenty eight three. Yeah, so the only two guys in

1716
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: that game, or the last two guys in that game

1717
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: that we're still here, we're Andrews in Cardona. So we've

1718
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: now seen since we've been you know, down here every day,

1719
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: we've now seen the entire locker room turn over. I

1720
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing, are bad. It

1721
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable, it makes me feel old. Well, I

1722
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: don't hate I don't love that. I'm like because we

1723
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: start I was twenty four year, twenty five our first year.

1724
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: So like guys are getting drafted and we're like, you know,

1725
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: they're same age as us, Like there's some relatability and

1726
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: we're older than what seventy eighty percent of the roster

1727
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: now at least especially now they got they're getting so

1728
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: much younger here, yeah these last couple of years. Yeah,

1729
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: so you're still getting older for some reason.

1730
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: I would put David Andrews on a personal in terms

1731
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 2: of guys that I just enjoyed covering the most, not

1732
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: necessarily like my Matt Rushmore are best players or but

1733
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: the guys that I deserved that I really liked covering

1734
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: the most. I put David Andrews on my personal Mount

1735
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: rush More up there with Devin mccordy, with Matthew Slater.

1736
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: I think those you know, I know, Matt rushfires four,

1737
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: but I think that those three kind of stand alone

1738
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 2: for me as just perfect Patriots, Like just perfect on

1739
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: and off the field.

1740
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: I'll throw in there too. And this was one of

1741
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: the first guys we ever talked to was Dante high Tower.

1742
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great too.

1743
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember so we he had that corner locker

1744
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: right all the way in the back drif the locker,

1745
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, big imposing guy, and you wanted to ask

1746
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: him something. Is when I had the camera and we

1747
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: go back and he like he's he definitely knew how

1748
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: how much we didn't know what we were doing. Yeah,

1749
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: he was like, you get one question, yeah, something like that.

1750
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: He's like, you can talk to me once a week

1751
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, it was like it was funny. He

1752
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: was always really good to us. It's just kind of funny.

1753
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: Was that's a good you know, yeah, given us a

1754
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 2: little rookie moment. Yeah, he would do that, and he

1755
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: was he was kidding, but he's also not kidding.

1756
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: But like we didn't know because we never So he

1757
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: tell me.

1758
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: That I could ask him one question once a week

1759
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: and it had to be good and it has to

1760
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: be good, and I wouldn't answer. I remember one time

1761
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 2: I tried to ask him another question a couple of

1762
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: days later, and he remembered. He said, You've already asked

1763
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: me your question this week. I'm not answering. He was kidding,

1764
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's he's definitely was. Yeah, he's definitely on

1765
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: that list as well. So really cool moments for David Andrews.

1766
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to say about that, there's

1767
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: a big lockjam. It's probably you know, he needs to

1768
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: wait four years as it is, but it's probably gonna

1769
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 2: take even longer. He's gonna wear a red jacket.

1770
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: At some point, Skark can wear the red jacket when

1771
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: he gives David Andrews.

1772
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a really good feeling that that's going

1773
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: to happen.

1774
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: You know, Edward been going in this year.

1775
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,480
Speaker 2: Gotta get Gronkowski in, Gotta get Vinetarian.

1776
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

1777
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 2: You know, then there obviously will be other guys like

1778
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: Devin mccordy and Slater and uh, players like that from

1779
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: this sideration. High Tower himself definitely needs to get in. Yeah,

1780
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: those types of guys, so might it might not be.

1781
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: We've done this before, We've done a year. High on

1782
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: Welk or I'm high on Moss, Yeah, the guy who

1783
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: was here a little bit longer. You put Steph Gilmore in, No,

1784
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't if you're not going to put Randy Moss in.

1785
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say that Randy should be in.

1786
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think so.

1787
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I I.

1788
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Think there's an argument more so than like Revis. I've

1789
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: definitely yeah, I mean, Gilmore had the pass break up

1790
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: in seventeen in the KFC Championship Game. He had the

1791
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: interception of the seal of Super Bowl in eighteen and

1792
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: had great year in eighteen and then defensive, so that

1793
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good resume. It just was short lived,

1794
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, but he packed a lot in there. Yeah,

1795
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 2: it's a good resume. And maybe at some point if

1796
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: we're a decade, yeah, maybe down the road right to

1797
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: run out of guys a little bit.

1798
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: Whose next corner you're putting in?

1799
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 2: Next corner I'm putting in? Yeah, it's a good question,

1800
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 2: cause they've had a lot of good corners.

1801
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: But oddly enough, like you're probably not putting a key

1802
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: to Leeban and I love the key to when he

1803
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: was I think we all did. Yeah. Uh, Malcolm Butler

1804
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: is an interesting one. Yeah, he does have arguably what

1805
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: one of the five biggest plays in franchise history.

1806
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 2: Maybe the biggest play in franchise history.

1807
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,440
Speaker 1: I still think some of those Vanitary kicks.

1808
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you could definitely make the case.

1809
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: You can make the case. I almost said biggest. It's

1810
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: like he was here for a couple and he was good.

1811
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: Besides that, Vanitary's.

1812
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 2: Kick in thirty six is probably the biggest. Is the

1813
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: first Super Bowl? I think it's the Snowball. Well, the

1814
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 2: snow Bowl is the harder kick.

1815
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 1: All right, just for the iconic moment, but like Butler's

1816
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: right there on the fence, Gilmore, I don't think Reeves

1817
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: is getting in. That was just one lay. That is

1818
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: too short. But like you think about some of the

1819
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: great corners they've had, and like none of these guys.

1820
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's Christian Zaliz.

1821
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe hopefully. So you know, Edelman's going in this year,

1822
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 2: Gronk obviously has to go in, probably Gronk, Edelman, Vanity.

1823
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: Then you have James White, Yeah, Matthew Slater or Devin mccordy,

1824
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: then Matthew.

1825
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: So that that'll be the It's almost like groups of threes,

1826
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: right because Edelman, Gronk, Invententario retired around as well, and

1827
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: territired from the NFL around the same time. Yeah, Slater, White,

1828
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: mccordy all retired around the same time. Yeah, and then

1829
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,440
Speaker 1: you'll get into like David Andrews.

1830
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you start I mean, then you start

1831
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: to get into the territory and maybe we're just forgetting

1832
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: somebody off the top.

1833
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 1: Well there's Bill, but Bill will be his own thing.

1834
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: I'll pause it for your like, and then but then

1835
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: you're getting into the territory of it. Fitting out maybe

1836
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you either going back to the

1837
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,560
Speaker 1: Dynasty years and like somebody that was overlooked, like a

1838
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: Wes Welker maybe or something like that.

1839
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: You have to put Gostowski in.

1840
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: He is the franchises all time leading score, he won

1841
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: multiple Super Bowls. He was here for a long time,

1842
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: not before Venitarian, not for some of those other guys.

1843
01:26:54,479 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the clutch ness his his He had some

1844
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: big kicks early in his career at the end, I'm

1845
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: not in. Also, the video of him being in the

1846
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: stands drinking spiked hot chocolate in a snow dog legendary. Yeah,

1847
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to crap on the guy, like cool

1848
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: guy and and good patriot. I just I don't know

1849
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna down blame because he special teams. He put

1850
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: Joe cardonaan No, of course not. You're gonna put Joe

1851
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: Cardona in the patriotsoll soon.

1852
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 2: But what do you mean, what are we doing Gustavski?

1853
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: He's the franchises all time leading If that doesn't mean something.

1854
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: Stick to the Goskowski take that.

1855
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean yeah, I know, I was just yeah,

1856
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: if being a franchise all time score doesn't mean something.

1857
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're doing.

1858
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: So like if we you know, and I just you know,

1859
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: we're in the second hour here in June, so just

1860
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 2: what we do.

1861
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: I think people like this stuff, if the chat likes it.

1862
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me to put a Sante Samuel.

1863
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 2: In No so the guy that I was thinking about

1864
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: because I'm trying to think of guys, Oh, I know.

1865
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Who the next corner is, Okay, I was only thinking

1866
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: boundary corners is Jonathan Jones.

1867
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he could be in there, Jonathan Jones. So

1868
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of guys that maybe came in

1869
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 2: like Dynasty one point zero. Yeah, that we're overlooking because

1870
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: they just it's a log jam and there's a lot

1871
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: of guys and what it starts thin out Antoine Smith,

1872
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 2: I think Corey Dillon has has a case Corey Dillon.

1873
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 2: So Corey Dillon would be a good one. It was

1874
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 2: like two or three years, but like he has doesn't

1875
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: he have the single season rushing record for the franchise.

1876
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: I want to say those guys from the sixties has it.

1877
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: He might have it.

1878
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 2: I'll pull it up, like oh, three or four, he

1879
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: had like sixteen hundred yards didn't.

1880
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: He Yeah, you're right, he does. It's it's him, Curtis Martin,

1881
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: Jim Nance, Steven Ridley is fourth.

1882
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: So that again, this is what you know ten years

1883
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 2: from now when it starts to thin out. Yeah, but

1884
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: once it starts to thin out and you start to

1885
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 2: talk about some of these guys that you wouldn't consider

1886
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,520
Speaker 2: over Julian Edelman or Adam vine Terio or Rob Gronkowski,

1887
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: but you might consider on a weaker valid I feel

1888
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: like a guy like Corey Dillon just because of the peak,

1889
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: so of how good it was. Well that that's kind

1890
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: of my argument with Gilmour or Moss.

1891
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well those guys and guys. The thing that's interesting

1892
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: with Dylan, we know that they use this as an

1893
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind improp guys up for Canton. Yeah, and

1894
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how many ballots Dylan has left, so

1895
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: maybe the.

1896
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Timeline doesn't work out.

1897
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: But if you look at the comparable numbers he statistically

1898
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: him there's actually three former Patriots enter on this list.

1899
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, him, Steven Jackson and Fred Jackson are like

1900
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: the three most productive running backs in NFL history that

1901
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: are not in And look, somebody has to be the

1902
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: best player that's not in the Hall of Fame. I

1903
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: think it was Jim Plunkett, right for years, was like

1904
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: the best player that wasn't in, So somebody asked to

1905
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:36,839
Speaker 1: wear that distinction.

1906
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Corey Dillon is right there on.

1907
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: The short list of the best running backs who are

1908
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: not in, who are eligible, right whatever. But like you know,

1909
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: if they ever really wanted to make that push, that

1910
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 1: would be a way to do it. Yeah, there is

1911
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: another player from that era that should be maybe not

1912
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: the Patriots Hall, but Larry Centers should be a hall.

1913
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: Ridiculous Larry Centers is not in Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1914
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: Insane, ridiculous that Stanley Morgan is not in the pit.

1915
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan is a good Stanley Morgan's the Patriots off

1916
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: not in ProFootball, He's in the Patriots.

1917
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that that.

1918
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: I think, like, I think it's minimum five hundred catches.

1919
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: I think he's like the all time leader in yards perception.

1920
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: I believe that five hundred. That's true.

1921
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 2: It's a it's an interesting conversation. Not it's an interesting

1922
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 2: conversation to begin with the Patriots All Fame, but it's

1923
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 2: also really interesting more interesting to me when we start

1924
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 2: talking about, Okay, ten years from now, post Dynasty's obviously

1925
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: been a little bit of a lull here, So going

1926
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:39,879
Speaker 2: back and maybe revisiting Mary Dillon, revisiting a Logan Mankins,

1927
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 2: Logan Mankins, I should definitely be in at some point,

1928
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 2: like those guys are all also, you know, Logan you're

1929
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: gonna have We just talked about that interior. Are you

1930
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 2: putting Joe Tune in? Maybe you're put in Jack Mason.

1931
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 2: I'm an offensive line guy, so I'm the wrong way.

1932
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna go Nate Solder next.

1933
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1934
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 2: But maybe Tony two needs at least a h and

1935
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't mean any disrespectful to those other two, but

1936
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: like too needs at least a good enough player.

1937
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: Well, so here's justifying.

1938
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 2: I just don't know if he has like the Patriot accolades.

1939
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be in the Profoleball of Fame. He's

1940
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: probably gonna be first ballot Pro Football. I don't know

1941
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: about that. It's really hard to get in as offensive line,

1942
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: especially Joe Toney. It is wrong if Joe Toney is

1943
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: not a first ballot Pro Football of Fame. I think

1944
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: he'll get into the pro football game. I don't second ballot.

1945
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: He's a top two guard of his errate. It's him

1946
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: and Quentin Nelson. Is anybody else on that list? Brandon Sheriff,

1947
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, aren't those guys like kind of the era before?

1948
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Aren't a little older?

1949
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 2: Maybe Zach Martin is the best offensive lineman I've ever seen. Okay, well,

1950
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 2: Joe Toney should be first ballot, all of him.

1951
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,879
Speaker 1: I'll say that a guy you drafted that when multiple

1952
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowls here that is in the Pro Football Hall

1953
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: of Fame should probably be in your team hall of Fame.

1954
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 1: I compared to like Haynes, Like Mike Haynes is probably

1955
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 1: and I don't know entirely like is Mike Haynes. I

1956
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: think is a lot of more is a raider than patriot, right,

1957
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: but he's great patriot. He's a great patriot and he

1958
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: and I think he is in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

1959
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Right he should be, I would assume, so I would

1960
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: kind of put him. And this is meet Mi Canes

1961
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: played before was alive. So maybe I'm a little bit

1962
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: off here, but that's just my thought.

1963
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: So I didn't u last thing. I will take some

1964
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 2: of these phone calls. Yesterday I got to meet Steve

1965
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 2: Nelson for the first time, which which was really cool.

1966
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: It was kind of like a fan boy moment. And

1967
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 2: I know, I you know, I'm young, and I didn't

1968
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: Mines isn't the Patriots. I didn't get to see him play. Yeah,

1969
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: you know, we weren't born yet and stuff. But it's

1970
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 2: still kind of cool to meet one of those guys.

1971
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: And Duce is working on something on the eighty five

1972
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 2: Patriots team and that's gonna be a lot of fun.

1973
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I thought about this and I was

1974
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: glad Duce was already kind of working on this project

1975
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 2: and kind of beat me to it. But you know,

1976
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 2: I got into Celtics City, as I'm sure a lot

1977
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 2: of Celtics fans did. The Patriots don't have the success

1978
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: in their history like the Celtics too, obviously with all

1979
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: the championships that the Celtics have won. But to me,

1980
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 2: there's not enough. And I and I hope people uh,

1981
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, watching or listen, I think, listen to to

1982
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Douce his things so that we can keep doing it.

1983
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 2: And you know, the proof is in the in the

1984
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 2: putting with the numbers, right to back it up, because

1985
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 2: there were some intermittently really good pockets of Patriots history.

1986
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 2: I mean that's seventy six team, seventy six, eighty five,

1987
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 2: obviously the ninety six team.

1988
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Basically like every prior to the dynasty, like once every

1989
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: ten years, they would have a really good team.

1990
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and a really good group of players. You know,

1991
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: we're talking to Stanley mork and Mike Haynes, John Hannah,

1992
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: Steve Nelson. You know, those guys could play man like.

1993
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Those are really good football players. And you know, obviously

1994
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 2: Tip you know as well. So hopefully I think it

1995
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: would be serving the fan base in a lot of

1996
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: ways on that team too, right, Yeah, serving the fan

1997
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: base in a lot of ways, to educate a lot

1998
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 2: of the younger fans about those teams, because in a

1999
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: lot of you know, a lot of the time you

2000
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 2: hear about the Patriots history and it's looked down upon,

2001
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 2: like all they were like the laughing stock of the

2002
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 2: league or something like, you know, exaggerated like that. But

2003
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 2: they had some really good individual players. They had some

2004
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 2: really good pockets and really good promising teams that now

2005
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 2: that we're out of the dynasty and we see how

2006
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 2: hard it is to win, and we see how hard

2007
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 2: it is to make a super Bowl and put together

2008
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 2: teams that are winning playoff caliber teams. My guess is

2009
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 2: that a lot of younger Patriots fans or fans that

2010
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 2: latched on when the dynasty started will start to appreciate

2011
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: that more because of how hard it's been the last

2012
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 2: couple of years to watch this team. So a lot

2013
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: of those guys like, we would definitely take an Andre

2014
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 2: Tippett right about now, but also like we would love

2015
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 2: to an eighty five season. Yeah, they got killed in

2016
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl by the Bears, but they made it

2017
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl Like that was a great accomplishment

2018
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 2: and it should be celebrated. So I'm glad that Duce

2019
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 2: is doing that. Was cool to meet Steve Nelson yesterday.

2020
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,240
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2021
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Speaker 2: All right, I'm looking forward to this call because this

2040
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 2: call yesterday got got uh some fireworks going on Patriots

2041
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: on filters. So Christians in La, what's up?

2042
01:35:52,760 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 3: Christian Evan Evan Evan see I owe you and Mia call.

2043
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 4: And I'm mad enough to stand up in front of

2044
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 4: Patriots World and say it. I got triggered when I

2045
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 4: heard Kendrick Bourne's name and it's not you, it's got

2046
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 4: Solac who I'm I'm I'm mad at so I had

2047
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of other stuff to talk about. I

2048
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 4: just got so triggered by it that I went hard

2049
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 4: at you, and I'm mad enough to apologize and say,

2050
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 4: even though you are a Kendrick born homer, you're not

2051
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 4: the main homer.

2052
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: That's okay, Christian, you don't have to apologize, But I

2053
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: do want to ask you, like, sincerely, you know, what

2054
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: what do you like, what do you have against Kendrick Bourne?

2055
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: Man?

2056
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 2: Like, what's what's the problem here?

2057
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Seriously, as a person, I don't know.

2058
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, no, no, I know it's not personal.

2059
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 2: I just mean in terms of the football, yeah, And

2060
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:45,919
Speaker 2: in terms.

2061
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 4: Of football, I get set up with players who have

2062
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 4: this potential thing right that like, oh this guy, yeah,

2063
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 4: he did this one time and he's got potential, and

2064
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 4: we got to hang on to him because you know,

2065
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 4: once his knee gets right or once he gets to

2066
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 4: the right coaching. Lots of teams do that. I get it.

2067
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 4: Kendrick Boyne is the guy on our team now that

2068
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 4: we've been doing that with, and I think he does

2069
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 4: have some value and we should use that value now

2070
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 4: just you know, get rid of him, maybe get a

2071
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 4: seventh round pick the next year or something. But I

2072
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 4: don't think we should keep this thing of like, Okay, yeah,

2073
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 4: he's got the potential. We need somebody, so let's just

2074
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 4: keep this guy who's clearly overpaid and just hasn't really

2075
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 4: done anything. Does that make sense?

2076
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah. I think where we all stand

2077
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 2: with Kendrick Bourne, you know, and I don't want to

2078
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 2: be for Alex, but for me personally, I don't think

2079
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 2: that Kendrick Bourne is a number one receiver by any means.

2080
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about a guy that we just

2081
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 2: think can be productive in that like number three receiver

2082
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 2: role or number two receiver role. Potentially, you know, maybe

2083
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 2: a little bit too high at number two, but maybe

2084
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 2: he's a solid, complimentary receiver.

2085
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: He's paid like it.

2086
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 2: I think his base salaries like five million dollars this

2087
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 2: year or.

2088
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: Something like that. And look, I'm the first one ever,

2089
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 1: you know this. I'm the first one to get annoyed

2090
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: when people talk up a player on potential when we

2091
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: did this this one time and blah blah. But there

2092
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 1: are there is a reason that people look for that,

2093
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: because it does happen. I think Kendrick Bourne is an

2094
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: example where you know, there is a realistic line between

2095
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: he had that great season and twenty one. Okay, then

2096
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: he goes in the doghouse with Patrician twenty two, which

2097
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: we know, maybe isn't the most dis qualifying thing based

2098
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: on other team was run. That year comes out as

2099
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: a great start to twenty three. Tears the ACL the

2100
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: long history of guys maybe not being as good the

2101
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: year after torna a SILS, two years removed, and here

2102
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: we already's back with the coordinator.

2103
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 2: He had the great season within twenty one.

2104
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's exactly grasping of straws to say

2105
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 1: there's more to Kendrick Bourne than we've seen the last

2106
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: few years.

2107
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 2: Is he going to be the number one receiver?

2108
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: No? Probably not. They need complimentary guys too, because that

2109
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: room's not very deep, and he's a guy that's proven

2110
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: he can do it in this league to some extent,

2111
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of guys that can

2112
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 1: that have done that.

2113
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, we have, we have we have no

2114
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 4: one that we can really count on. He's a five

2115
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 4: million dollar possibly number three. Just say that to yourself

2116
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 4: out loud. A five million dollars a year, possibly three? Ye,

2117
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 4: number four.

2118
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 2: Rather, it's about right, it's the going rate for it

2119
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 2: at least.

2120
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: Now what else do you got?

2121
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Christian?

2122
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 4: That's that's really I just want to apologize you can

2123
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 4: get back and right standings with my guys and go,

2124
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 4: you know, have a good week and you guys love it, love.

2125
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: The path you two.

2126
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Christian, no problem, You don't have to apologize. I love

2127
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: the fire. I love it when people call in and

2128
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 2: bring some passion to the phones. Not that anybody doesn't

2129
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 2: do that, but I I liked the call yesterday, Christian,

2130
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 2: no problem.

2131
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,799
Speaker 1: Max is in Vermont. What's up? Max?

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, in question about the wide receiver room. It

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01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 3: seems like Diggs will probably play a lot of slot

2134
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 3: reps and eleven personnel you know. To me, that means

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01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas might feature, you know, more of the true

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01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 3: role player than an every down guy, you know, like

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01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 3: a wide receiver four type on third and ten. I'm

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01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 3: curious what you will see as the best version of

2139
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 3: Pop's role on this team and if he projects more

2140
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 3: as like a receiver for lost snapped out guy, you know,

2141
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 3: could he be a trade candidate rather than guys like

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01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 3: Boody or Born you know who may be more likely

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01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 3: to see the field in love and personnel.

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01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call.

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01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 1: Mass.

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01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 2: I think this is you know, it's a question that

2147
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 2: seems to get picking up some steam with Pop Douglas.

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01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 2: I feel like that, you know, maybe he's not one

2149
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 2: hundred percent secure here in terms of maybe it's trade

2150
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: or whatever. I still am with you on this with Pop.

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01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we I like Pop. We saw him

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01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 2: at the Shrine Bowl right before, yeah, before his draft.

2153
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 2: I kind of felt like I was early on him then,

2154
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 2: So he's kind of one of my guys. I was

2155
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 2: really excited when they drafted him. I still think there's

2156
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 2: a role for him. I don't know if he's ever

2157
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 2: going to be a true high volume like this guy's

2158
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 2: gonna catch eighty plus passes in a season consistently type

2159
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: of player, but the way that he moves is different.

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01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: I still believe that.

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01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 2: I still think he's the most one of the more

2162
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 2: explosive players they have on the team. I still think

2163
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 2: that he's got that ability, like I said earlier, touches,

2164
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 2: jet sweeps, motions, screens, things like that that he can

2165
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 2: be impactful on. But maybe you know, to use a

2166
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 2: comparison that from another team somewhat recently, I remember when

2167
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 2: the Chiefs had Tyreek Kill and me Cole Harmon, and

2168
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 2: tyreek Kill was the guy and me Cole Harmon was

2169
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 2: kind of in the same mole, but sort of the

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01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 2: secondary guy right to that mix, Like maybe that's Pop

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01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 2: Douglas's future is like Kyle Williams is sort of not

2172
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 2: necessarily Tyreek kill good, but like Kyle Williams or Stefan

2173
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 2: Diggs or someone like that is truly the number one

2174
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 2: option in the offense. And then Pop Douglas is just

2175
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: a kind of energizer bunny. That's a secondary guy within

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01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: the framework that might be where he's best, like a

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01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 2: super sub receiver. I just might be his bet.

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01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they can afford to part ways with speed,

2179
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 1: not that position out right now.

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01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 2: I just don't think they can fair enough. All right,

2181
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 2: let's get to some of these emails. This one is

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01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 2: from Jordan Patriots Nation is his thing, and that gave me.

2183
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, I don't know what that is,

2184
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 2: but it sounds interesting. Jordan from Ohio. He asks, uh,

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01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: give me your breakout player on offense and defense for

2186
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots. So offense first, you have a breakout player

2187
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 2: for this season.

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01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it has to be Drake made

2189
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 1: by default, right, you need that year two jump for

2190
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: them to take the leap. You know what, screw, I'll

2191
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: just go with theme to day Pop Douglass. I think

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01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good fit in Josh McDaniels offense,

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01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 1: and uh I think we you know he improves on

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01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: last year.

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01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope it's Drake May. Like, if this is

2196
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 2: headed in the right direction, it should be Drake May.

2197
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 2: It's kind of not unfair, but just like, I don't

2198
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 2: know if rookies really qualify for this sort of thing.

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01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 2: I think they do, so I think if I didn't

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01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 2: say Drake May, I'd have to say one of the

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01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 2: skilled players Henderson Henderson or or Kyle Williams. Yeah, what

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01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 2: about on defense?

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01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: A breakout player on defense? I'm gonna go with. I mean,

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01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: Pop does can't waite, that's litterally who I said last year?

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01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna go with Robert Splain. I

2206
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: just think that signing kind of went under the radar

2207
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:04,839
Speaker 1: because they signed Milton Williams a few.

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01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 2: Hours later and all that. But I think people are

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01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 2: gonna be really impressed with Robert Splain.

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01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 2: I think the splaying is gonna be a hair on

2212
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 2: fire type of guy that people are really gonna like.

2213
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 2: Can I say, Keon White, like as Kean White already

2214
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 2: broken out.

2215
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: He's another level he can get to.

2216
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's another level that he can get

2217
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 2: to as well. And I'm excited to see him in

2218
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 2: this defense because I think this defense is going to

2219
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 2: uh correct for his aggressiveness. Like it's not gonna be

2220
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:37,839
Speaker 2: aggressive without outside the scheme. It's gonna be aggressive inside

2221
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 2: the scheme because they're gonna want him to be inherently aggressive,

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01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: and then other people are gonna be assigned to make

2223
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 2: him right when he is over aggressive and he does

2224
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 2: shoot a gap or he does come out of a

2225
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 2: rush lane or something like that. So I I I

2226
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 2: want to I think Keon White will have another level

2227
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 2: because I think he's a better scheme fit within what

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01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 2: they're gonna do.

2229
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: Now.

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01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 2: Uh, this question is from Emmer and he said, Evan,

2231
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 2: were you the reporter who asked McDaniels yesterday about putting

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01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 2: more on Drake's plate at the line of scrimmage. I

2233
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 2: was the reporter that asked him that question, actually, And

2234
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 2: then he said, I know that has been a concern

2235
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 2: of yours, and I'm curious to get your take on

2236
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 2: McDaniel's saying it was overblown.

2237
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did say that.

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01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 2: In response to that question, I asked him, what is

2239
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 2: the approach not necessarily about it being right around, but

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Speaker 2: what is the approach in terms of building up to it?

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01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 1: Right?

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01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 2: Like, you don't want to all of a sudden go

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01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 2: into a practice and think Drake May is going to

2244
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 2: be Tom Brady and you're sixteen and like put everything

2245
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 2: on his plate? What to build up to? You know,

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01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 2: what's the build up to it. The two things that

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01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 2: McDaniels said that stood out in his answer. One, Yeah,

2248
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 2: he did say that he thought it was kind of

2249
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: an overblown talking point about his offense and about this offense,

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01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 2: I've said that someone would have to do it, whether

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01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 2: it was the center or it was the quarterback. It's

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01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 2: going to be on somebody's plate to make the calls, right,

2253
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 2: So they're gonna have to teach somebody how to do it. Now,

2254
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 2: I would counter with center, it's probably a little bit easier. Uh,

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01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 2: there's maybe a little bit less on your plate than

2256
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 2: that court of not maybe there is a lot less

2257
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 2: on your plate than that quarterback, but not here nor there.

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01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 2: The other thing that he said that I thought was

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01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 2: interesting was that he feels like Drake May has kind

2260
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:18,560
Speaker 2: of already got it, like he's grasped it quickly and

2261
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 2: is learning it quickly, and he feels pretty comfortable with

2262
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 2: where he's at with that. So that was me though.

2263
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 2: I asked that question, how do how do you feel

2264
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 2: about that whole thing? Am I making too much out

2265
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 2: of it? I mean, it's factor, It's a fact. I

2266
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 2: think it's still early.

2267
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a factor. Yeah, I agree. I actually fine.

2268
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: I asked Ashton Grant's same question.

2269
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 2: What did he say?

2270
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 1: Uh, pretty much same thing. McDaniel said, Yeah, overblown. Well

2271
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: the second part about it, he's picking it up and

2272
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 1: it's not getting the wraps and blah blah blah. Yeah, okay,

2273
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: all right. Uh.

2274
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 2: Logistical question here from Connor from Saint Paul, Minnesota, and

2275
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 2: he was wondering if the joint practices in the Twin

2276
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Cities will be open to the public. And the answer,

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01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 2: as far as I know, and this is not I'm

2278
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 2: not saying that I know for a fact by any means,

2279
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 2: but just based off experience, I would think, yes, those

2280
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 2: practices have always in my experience, those have always been

2281
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 2: open to the public.

2282
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 1: I would assume it's However, the Vikings, I don't know

2283
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 1: how the Vikings do training camp. I would assume it'start

2284
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 1: with the Vikings user do training camp for the fans

2285
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,280
Speaker 1: my because I know some plate like here it's free, right,

2286
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: some places you have to actually get a ticket or whatever.

2287
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're entered like a lottery in Buffalo or whatever.

2288
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 2: I again, I have no idea the defenditive answer to

2289
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 2: that question. But I've been told in the past that

2290
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 2: joint practices are considered training camp and because of that,

2291
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 2: it's always open to the public. So usually that that's

2292
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: been the case. We had a great was it last

2293
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 2: year we were it was two years ago.

2294
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: We were in green Bay.

2295
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 2: Those joint practices in Green Bay were awesome because they

2296
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 2: have a great facility right across the street from lambeau Field,

2297
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,640
Speaker 2: and it's like it's almost like a high school stadium,

2298
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 2: Like there's there's bleachers and everything, and there's a field

2299
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 2: in the middle. It's literally like a high school football stadium.

2300
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 2: And so it was like a raucous crowd, like it

2301
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 2: was like hostile. You could feel that there was like

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01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 2: some hostility towards the Patriots, and uh, it is pretty cool.

2303
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 1: So that that was very cool. All right.

2304
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 2: Uh, here's an email from Jeremiah, who I think is

2305
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 2: on your side on the Gazkowski debate. H Alex so

2306
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 2: Satan Kaszkowski shouldn't be in the Patriots all fame, dude

2307
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 2: to not have memory kicks like Vinetaria. Understand, but statistically

2308
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 2: Gazkowski was the best kicker for the Patriots. Yeah, that's true.

2309
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:33,799
Speaker 2: He has the stats.

2310
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: Now.

2311
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 2: Uh, this is not anything against the early two thousands

2312
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 2: Patriots teams who were obviously wagons, but they were scoring

2313
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 2: at a much different clip once Kezkowski became the kicker,

2314
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 2: like Gaszkowski has baked in there like the two thousand

2315
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,599
Speaker 2: and seven Patriots team. Yeah, still hit the kicks, he says,

2316
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 2: twenty ten to twenty. Yeah, but how many of those

2317
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 2: were extra points?

2318
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: Still hit them?

2319
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 2: This is oh okay, So we hit the old extra

2320
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 2: point nod.

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01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 1: When do they move back it?

2322
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 2: Maybe later in his career. And I actually think when

2323
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 2: they moved it back it was kind of a problem

2324
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 2: for him, wasn't it. It was like a mental move.

2325
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 1: The extra point twenty fifteen. I thought it was much

2326
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: longer than that. Yeah, that sounds right.

2327
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,719
Speaker 2: So that that's my biggest thing with like counting stats

2328
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 2: for kickers, like points and you know that sort of thing,

2329
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 2: is that a lot of that is predicated on the

2330
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 2: offenses that you're playing.

2331
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: Still have to hit the kicks. You more opportunities to.

2332
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Mard extra point like like he's making a thousand of

2333
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 2: those than not you're the leading scorer. Also, how they

2334
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 2: calculate it is is just it's all. It's always going

2335
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 2: to be a kicker. Does any team in the NFL's

2336
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:37,639
Speaker 2: leading scorer not a kicker?

2337
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe maybe maybe either Ravens or

2338
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: the Bills. Who are the Ravens are the Bills? Like quarterback?

2339
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Well quarterback? They don't count past Yeah no, maybe not.

2340
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I know Tominson led the Chargers. That one insane here,

2341
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 1: But you still to hit the kicks. I don't know.

2342
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: You still did the kicks, You da have many more

2343
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,680
Speaker 1: opportunities to miss your under that much more scrutiny. I

2344
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: think it matters. I think it matters. I think there's

2345
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: something to be said at that even at that position

2346
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: for volume and longevity.

2347
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 2: I agree with longevity on any in any sport, at

2348
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 2: any position. Longevity is impressive to me. But I just

2349
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think the answer to my own

2350
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 2: question is all thirty two teams leading scorer in franchise

2351
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 2: history has got to be a kicker, just the way

2352
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 2: they calculate well, because kickers also play longer, right, But

2353
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 2: it's just rushing touchdowns, receiving touchdowns and then kick it

2354
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 2: like those are the only way that you score points

2355
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 2: because they don't count passing touchdowns the same. So I

2356
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 2: don't defensive scores, okay, but you're not gonna get enough

2357
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 2: defensive scores to be the leading games. Oh my god,

2358
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 2: stop it, all right, I want to play an over

2359
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 2: under game while you look that up.

2360
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it, all right.

2361
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 2: So here's a little over under for Patriots, you know,

2362
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 2: over unders and individual players. Milton Williams five and a

2363
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 2: half sacks over under.

2364
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Under because I think he's going to be more the

2365
01:49:57,439 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 1: pressure pressure guy than the cleanup guy. Like I He's

2366
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna be impactful. That's the way they're gonna play defense.

2367
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: That's a high number for that position. I'm gonna go

2368
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 1: over because I'm gonna say he's gonna have six, So

2369
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm like it's a good number. It's like, right there,

2370
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,080
Speaker 1: six is a good night I think you're gonna see

2371
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: more like calebon Chase on Cleaning Up the with Milton

2372
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: Williams and Christian Barmore. Cause, yeah, give me, give me

2373
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: like a pressure number for you for him, that's more

2374
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: how I'm looking at. Yeah, fair enough, give me give

2375
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 1: me a pressure number for him. Sixty.

2376
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 2: I think sixty is a good number. Ke White had

2377
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 2: forty five last Yeah.

2378
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, like I think, I yeah, in that conversation,

2379
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna if you're just reading a regular box course,

2380
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 1: it's not gonna look sexy. I think he makes an impact,

2381
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: but I don't think the stack number is gonna be

2382
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 1: very high. Christian Gonzales one and a half picks. I'm

2383
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 1: gonna pick sixes, sixes, sorry, you know over two? Pick

2384
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 1: six is over.

2385
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 2: I'd say he had one last year, right, and then

2386
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 2: he had to fumble recovery touchdown. Carlton Davis is going

2387
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 2: to help him. I don't know if he was at

2388
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 2: a fumbler recovery touchdown and a pick six, it might

2389
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 2: have just beenumber. Christian Gonzales might have just been a

2390
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 2: fubbler recovery touchdown last year touch against Miami.

2391
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 1: But I'm.

2392
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 2: I'll say over. I think I think Carlton Thing's.

2393
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 1: Gonna help him.

2394
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Agreed, I'm gonna say over as well because the same

2395
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 2: reason we talked about this, Carlon Davis hasn't been out

2396
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: at practice the last couple of practices we've been at,

2397
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 2: but he talked about this when he was out there

2398
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 2: on that first one. Like having a guy like Carlton

2399
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 2: Davis that in some games can just shadow an opponent's

2400
01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 2: top receiver that allows Christian Gonzalez to make more plays

2401
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 2: on the ball kind of be more of like a

2402
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 2: almost playing like free safety, but playing it as a

2403
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 2: corner and seeing the ball more and making more plays

2404
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 2: on it. I think is in play based off of

2405
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 2: having Carlton Davis, and I think that would help him

2406
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:43,360
Speaker 2: make some more impact plays. There's obviously a ton of

2407
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 2: value in him shadowing and taking guys out of the

2408
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 2: game completely, but maybe a next step for Christian Gonzalez

2409
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 2: is making those like splash plays on football and maybe

2410
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis allows him to do that. Roberts Blaine one

2411
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 2: hundred and five tackles, so he had over this I believe,

2412
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 2: like I mean had one fifteen right, yeah, well high

2413
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 2: like an over one on five hours in that role

2414
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 2: last year.

2415
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 1: I'll say over.

2416
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say over as well. Defense points per

2417
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 2: game allowed twenty one and a half, so this would

2418
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 2: be like a top fifteen ish defense in the league.

2419
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're like right at I So I

2420
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 1: did a show in the Sports have recently r I

2421
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: had them at twenty one, So I guess I have

2422
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 1: to say under. But like, I also think they're gonna

2423
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: play relatively up tempo. I think they might play some

2424
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 1: games that did. Are you know they're they're not gonna

2425
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: do much short in the game.

2426
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna sit well over under.

2427
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 1: I think they allowed more than twenty one and a half

2428
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 1: points per game, but it's like just barely.

2429
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say again, that's a good number. Twenty

2430
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 2: two ishes mayly where I'm at with them, So I

2431
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 2: go over Stefan Diggs eleven and a half games played,

2432
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm going over over.

2433
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:45,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2434
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna play more. Remondre Stevenson seven hundred

2435
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 2: and fifty rushing yards.

2436
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it all depends, like if they don't

2437
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 1: have leads, then it's not He's not gonna go over that, right.

2438
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 1: What was it seven to fifty first Stevenson. Yeah, I'm

2439
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 1: gonna say under under too much Henderson. Josh is too

2440
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 1: good about balancing the workloads. I'm gonna say.

2441
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 2: Under Henderson five hundred, five hundred fifty five receptions. Well,

2442
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 2: I had that take earlier.

2443
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: That running back is going to be top three on

2444
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 1: the team and he's probably got to do it, so

2445
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 1: I think I have to say over. I'm gonna say

2446
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 1: over as well.

2447
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 2: But that's another really good number.

2448
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 1: I think I think he's like fifty five sixty five

2449
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:24,759
Speaker 1: somewhere now range. That's another good number.

2450
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 2: A couple of Drake may One's here to wrap it. Uh,

2451
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred passing yards?

2452
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 1: What do you have last year?

2453
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 2: Probably right around three thousand, but you'll play it. Didn't

2454
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 2: play every game.

2455
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: I'll go over.

2456
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 2: I hope it's over. I'm gonna say.

2457
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 1: I'll say over. If that's a good tell me totally yards.

2458
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 1: I'll definitely say over. That's a good number.

2459
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 2: Three thirty five hundreds, like right where the sweet spot,

2460
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say over. I'll be optimistic today. Four and

2461
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 2: a half touch rushing touchdown rushing coalshounds over on that.

2462
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,679
Speaker 2: I hope it's over. I hope that that's in their.

2463
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:59,799
Speaker 1: Back pocket going into a passing touchdowns didn't have passes,

2464
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 1: Gonnas did not. I think they're gonna be running the

2465
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 1: ball in from the five a lot. I don't think

2466
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw a lot of red zone touchdowns. I

2467
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be his touchdown pass are gonna be

2468
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 1: the long ones when they get inside the ten. And

2469
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 1: I know the red zones are twenty, but when they

2470
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 1: get inside the ten, it's gonna be Romandre Stevenson behind

2471
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 1: a full back and maybe Drake May behind a full back. Like,

2472
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they're throwing the ball a lot down there.

2473
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good question from Jeff. We only

2474
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 2: have a couple of minutes, but we probably could unpack

2475
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 2: this even more. Yeah, but he you know, we were

2476
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 2: talking earlier about buying some you know, West Coast influence

2477
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 2: in this offense, and he was asking me about building, uh,

2478
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 2: the scheme and like building plays off of each other,

2479
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 2: sequencing plays off of each other, which has been a

2480
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 2: criticism of mine at their offenses for a couple of

2481
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 2: years now. And he makes a good point. You know,

2482
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 2: if they're gonna run West Coast run schemes, duo outside

2483
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 2: zone things like that. You know, those don't marry to

2484
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 2: the gap play action plays, right, Those are different types

2485
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 2: of play action plays.

2486
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: Right. It's a good point.

2487
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if that type of stuff, you know, is

2488
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 2: always gonna be game playing, game plan, game plan with McDaniels.

2489
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 2: So maybe one week it's it's more West Coast flavor

2490
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:07,879
Speaker 2: than another week where they feel like their biggest advantages

2491
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 2: running right out of team and getting downhill. It might

2492
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 2: be more that infused, but it will definitely be on

2493
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 2: my radar end season when I'm watching tape of their offense,

2494
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 2: you know, are they marrying gap runs with gap play

2495
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 2: action and outside zone runs or zone runs with zone

2496
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 2: play action, or how do they go about that that

2497
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 2: That's a good question. They're in something that I definitely

2498
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 2: look for, you know, on tape when I when I

2499
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: watch offenses, I think the best offenses in the league

2500
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 2: are the ones that run the same play for like

2501
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the play and then all of

2502
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 2: a sudden. The NFL it's something different though. That's what

2503
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 2: the best play callers sequence together, That's what the best

2504
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 2: play designers sequence together as well. That's where That's what

2505
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,800
Speaker 2: makes me always fall in love with the Shanahan offenses.

2506
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 2: That's what they do best. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Matt Leaflora,

2507
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 2: and Green Bay, Like, those guys are absolute wizards at

2508
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 2: this looks like it's outside its own looks like it

2509
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 2: looks like it looks like it Oh, it's action. Yeah,

2510
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 2: that's that's why that works. That's that's really how the

2511
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,959
Speaker 2: the crux of how that works. Question about from Barton Poland,

2512
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 2: this one is a good question that I'm excited about

2513
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 2: for our our show's purposes. Is Uh, you're talking a

2514
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 2: little bit about the Vikings and you mentioned Kevin O'Connell earlier,

2515
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 2: and he said do the Vikings have the best supporting

2516
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 2: cast in the NFL? And his question then also follows

2517
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy and does he succeed in Minnesota?

2518
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

2519
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's success or failure, especially relative, you know, comparing

2520
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 2: and contrasting to Drake May this show is that, you know,

2521
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 2: our credibility is kind of on the line exactly.

2522
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:54,320
Speaker 1: We need JJ.

2523
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't wish anything bad on JJ McCarthy, but we

2524
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 2: kind of need JJ McCarthy to be bad. Say if

2525
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna draft J. J.

2526
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 1: McCarthy, you need to be someone with a good offensive coach,

2527
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: strong surrounding cast and sit him for a year. They

2528
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 1: were kind of forced into that third thing, kind of

2529
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 1: exactly what they said, we said they needed to do

2530
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 1: with him. So he's he got the best landing spot

2531
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 1: of any of the rookie quarterbacks last year. He obviously

2532
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 1: got hurt, but he should make the most of that opportunity. Yeah,

2533
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 1: I I but he doesn't. It's Daniel Jones competing with him, right,

2534
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Like they brought in some comp They're not so Dan

2535
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 1: Joe's an Indianapoa.

2536
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 2: Know who did they They brought in somebody like semi

2537
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 2: legit to compete with.

2538
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who.

2539
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones competing with Anthony richards That's what it was.

2540
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson is his career might be as a starter

2541
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 2: Samians Uh No, JJ McCarthy is gonna start in Minnesota.

2542
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 2: And after watching what he, uh you know O'Connell did

2543
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 2: with with Sam Darnold, like it's hard to imagine that

2544
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna stink, but.

2545
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be. I'm gonna garoppolo in San Francisco all

2546
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 1: over again.

2547
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a bad comparison. It was my comp

2548
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 2: for he's got a little bit more than Jimmy mccaroppolo.

2549
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 2: Jim garoppolo had the quick release and like the the

2550
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 2: pillowy throws and stuff like that down, but I think

2551
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's got a little bit more of a cam.

2552
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Jimmy g and so that that would

2553
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 1: make Max Brosmer Brock perty, which would be very fun.

2554
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 2: You and h guy, Well, I I'm I'm just looking forward.

2555
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't get to see him last year

2556
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 2: because he got hurt. It's a it's a great litmus

2557
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Speaker 2: test for us as people that try to evaluate the

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01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 2: draft every year, and like, was I right or wrong

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Speaker 2: about JJ McCarty.

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Speaker 1: So we've got a factor in he's throwing to Justin Jefferson, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison and they've got t. J. Hawkinson a

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Speaker 1: tight end with what's his name and left tackle Christian Darius.

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Speaker 1: Not exactly the same group Drake May was working with

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Speaker 1: as a rookie, No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: To answer the best supporting cast question really quick, I

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Speaker 2: think it's Philadelphia and it's not even particularly close. I

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Speaker 2: I I miss so it's got a good one. You know,

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Speaker 2: Jefferson's are arguably the best player in the league. You're

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Speaker 2: best receiver in the league, I should say, But Aj Brown,

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Speaker 2: DeVante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Saquon Barkley, mad with the best

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Speaker 2: offensive line in football, that's the best. Yeah, by fun,

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Speaker 2: that's yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for today's show.

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Speaker 2: Perfect timing there with that anything right there, so that

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Speaker 2: that's a pro timing right there. So we'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week. Uh, there is mini camp practice scheduled for

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Speaker 2: Wednesday of next week, so we might be later in

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Speaker 2: the afternoon like we were a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 2: when there was an OTA, So make sure to follow

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01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 2: both of us or follow Patriots dot COM's Twitter handle

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01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 2: as well. We'll have you updated on times and all

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01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:42,080
Speaker 2: that good stuff because we might have to move it

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Speaker 2: around a little bit to accommodate Mini caamp. But the

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Speaker 2: cool part about that is is that we'll have a

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Speaker 2: ton of talk about because we'll have hopefully three days

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01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 2: in mini camp to digest on the show, so that

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01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 2: that could be a two hour That could be.

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Speaker 1: A meaty show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a full two hours of all football,

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01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 2: so we're looking forward to that. Until then, have a

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Speaker 2: great week, the rest of your week, great weekend, and

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Speaker 2: we'll see you guys then.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Hey, this is Alex.

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02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,800
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Speaker 5: at the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,