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Speaker 1: Ready to be amazed by the wizard of weird. This
Speaker 1: is Strange Warren. I am Joshua BE Warren, and each
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Speaker 1: of the show. Is this a rung of hell? By this,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this world that you and I are
Speaker 1: living in right now, this particular realm. Now I understand
Speaker 1: immediately some clarification is necessary because I don't know if
Speaker 1: you realize this, but when you listen to this podcast,
Speaker 1: I can hear your thoughts telepathically and I know some
Speaker 1: of you are bothered by me even asking that question,
Speaker 1: what do you mean is this a rung of hell?
Speaker 1: Because I, as you know, am a big proponent of
Speaker 1: thinking positively and trying to manifest good things. And you
Speaker 1: might say, well, if you start telling people that this
Speaker 1: could be a rung of hell, they're going to get
Speaker 1: really depressed and then things are going to start going
Speaker 1: poorly for them. No, no, no, no again, let me explain
Speaker 1: what I mean here, because that is absolutely true. If
Speaker 1: you start looking at your life as a good thing
Speaker 1: or a bad thing, if you're an optimist or a pessimist,
Speaker 1: then you will actually start creating these reactions that will
Speaker 1: manifest the way you are thinking. And I know when
Speaker 1: it comes to stuff like positive thinking and law of attraction,
Speaker 1: there are people who are like, oh, come on, don't
Speaker 1: give me that hippie new age woo woo stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not, and it's because it works because
Speaker 1: of self fulfilling prophecies. I actually did a whole show
Speaker 1: about self fulfilling prophecies I don't have in front of me,
Speaker 1: which a number of the show that was what episode.
Speaker 1: But the idea is that when you start believing something.
Speaker 1: If you make up your mind about how something is
Speaker 1: likely to turn out good or bad, well, then that
Speaker 1: starts to affect the way you behave and then this
Speaker 1: starts to affect the actions that you take, and the
Speaker 1: actions that you take lead to real, tangible results. And
Speaker 1: so that is the most basic form of manifestation. Now,
Speaker 1: rituals and wands and metaphysical tools and things like that
Speaker 1: can help you with this process, help you keep your
Speaker 1: mind in the right place, but ultimately it's about using
Speaker 1: the force. And this is something that comes from within you,
Speaker 1: from within your mind, your spirit, your soul. So I
Speaker 1: definitely would never try to say anything that would start
Speaker 1: making you question whether or not you should feel positively
Speaker 1: or negatively about life. That is a philosophical question. That
Speaker 1: is a philosophical question. I'm not talking about that. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about this in the literal sense. Is there literally
Speaker 1: a reason to believe that, according to various belief systems,
Speaker 1: that if interpreted a certain way, that this might actually
Speaker 1: be a version of hell that we are in. We
Speaker 1: are in the midst of it. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: explain to you why that I asked this question. For
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, my mom and dad were both
Speaker 1: raised in western North Carolina in the mountains. Both had
Speaker 1: big families. My dad was one of seven kids. My
Speaker 1: mother was one of ten children. My mother was the youngest,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of drama in the family,
Speaker 1: and that is often the case with big families, especially
Speaker 1: if you consider the age of everybody and how that
Speaker 1: you know, the Great Depression made a big impact on people. Anyway,
Speaker 1: my mom had a sister named Paula, so this would
Speaker 1: be my aunt, and of course my mom and Paula
Speaker 1: were very, very close. They spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: with each other. They talked on the phone all the time.
Speaker 1: And Paula had a lot of really kind of tragic
Speaker 1: things that happened to her throughout her life, and she
Speaker 1: lived to be a fairly old lady. But towards the end,
Speaker 1: I mean, all the stress for these things had taken
Speaker 1: a toll on her mentally, and my mom would say
Speaker 1: that Paula was convinced that we are currently living in
Speaker 1: a rung of hell, that we are just not capable
Speaker 1: of wrapping our minds around it. And the reason she
Speaker 1: felt that way was because, well, if you look at
Speaker 1: it very logically, everybody here gets to suffer. And and again,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to depress you, but I just let's
Speaker 1: be realistic here for a moment. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you believe that there is no god. Let's just say
Speaker 1: you are an atheist. You don't believe in anything other
Speaker 1: than your personal experience. When you die, it's lights out,
Speaker 1: your worm food, that's the end. If you believe that,
Speaker 1: well fine, but you still get to suffer. And if
Speaker 1: you don't believe that, if you believe that there are
Speaker 1: divine spiritual leaders, if you believe somebody like Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: was a perfect person, a living God among us, well
Speaker 1: guess what even he had to suffer here in this realm,
Speaker 1: suffer horribly. So a place where everybody gets to suffer
Speaker 1: to some degree kind of sounds like the opposite of paradise,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. And isn't that kind of what hell is
Speaker 1: supposed to be. I mean, it's sort of an all
Speaker 1: or nothing proposition in a way. It's like either you
Speaker 1: get a utopia where everything is positive and you don't
Speaker 1: have to feel any pain and all that, or you
Speaker 1: do get it to some degree, and maybe it's a
Speaker 1: matter of these degrees. I have never I have never
Speaker 1: studied seriously studied Buddhism, but I know that the Buddha
Speaker 1: talked a lot about this concept of suffering being the
Speaker 1: key to understanding the meaning of life by the way,
Speaker 1: Buddha means enlightened one or nowhere fascinating story about Buddha.
Speaker 1: You know, he grew up rich as a prince and
Speaker 1: his wonderful, luxurious, sheltered life behind the gates of the palace,
Speaker 1: and then and that was what he sort of believed
Speaker 1: life was like for everybody. And then of course he
Speaker 1: got old enough to go out into the town and
Speaker 1: sort of disguise himself and see how everybody else was living,
Speaker 1: and it shocked him. But anyway, Buddha said, we all
Speaker 1: have to suffer, and that the root of suffering is attachment,
Speaker 1: our attachment to this world. In fact, he talked about
Speaker 1: what he called the four noble truths. And here is
Speaker 1: kind of in a nutshell what they are, Buddha's four
Speaker 1: noble truths. And there is of course a proper pronunciation
Speaker 1: for these. I'm not going to try that out. But
Speaker 1: the first one is basically, nothing is forever and that
Speaker 1: is painful. I mean, that's a very simple thing. It's
Speaker 1: hard to argue that is not true, right, How would
Speaker 1: you argue against that? That nothing is forever and that
Speaker 1: is painful. Next, that, together with this transient world and
Speaker 1: its pain, there is also thirst, craving for, and attachment
Speaker 1: to this transient, unsatisfactory existence. So he's sang right off
Speaker 1: the bat, nothing is forever, and yet we are we
Speaker 1: crave this thing that's impossible to attain because we're attached
Speaker 1: to this thing that's that's not gonna be around forever.
Speaker 1: The next is the attachment to this transient world and
Speaker 1: its pain can be severed or contained by confining or
Speaker 1: letting go of this craving. Interesting, what wouldn't that be
Speaker 1: nice if you could just completely accept that this tendency
Speaker 1: to be attached to your world is is theological. And
Speaker 1: then lastly, of the four Noble truths is that the
Speaker 1: the the there's a path leading to the confinement of
Speaker 1: this desire and attachment and the release. And that's a
Speaker 1: separate thing called the Noble Eightfold path. And we won't
Speaker 1: get into that because that gets into how you might
Speaker 1: practice with some of his ideas. And you know, Uh.
Speaker 1: Last year, I saw terrible flooding just devastate large portions
Speaker 1: of western North Carolina where I grew up, and people
Speaker 1: were shocked. They just had no idea that that quickly
Speaker 1: in West North Carolina, all of a sudden, this massive
Speaker 1: flood could come through and destroy things. And now look
Speaker 1: what has happened with these people in California who lost
Speaker 1: their homes in the fire. I mean, it's earth shattering.
Speaker 1: It's a reminder of the reality of what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: We have to take a break. When we come back
Speaker 1: from this break, I'm going to explore this a little
Speaker 1: bit more deeply. Well what supposedly is hell in a
Speaker 1: literal sense? And I'm going to also read to you
Speaker 1: something that one of the world's most famous scientists said
Speaker 1: about this. And it's just something interesting for us to
Speaker 1: think about because no matter who you are, no matter
Speaker 1: what you believe, we all have this in common. But
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Speaker 1: your host, the Wizard of Weird, beaming into your wormhole
Speaker 1: brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver.
Speaker 1: Giatanto zume And uh you know, I hate to uh
Speaker 1: hate to remind you, but no matter how great or
Speaker 1: how sad your life may be, in your opinion. Well,
Speaker 1: in the end we know how the story. The story
Speaker 1: ends here we all die. We all die. Now that
Speaker 1: I know you're thinking, gosh, this is not a very
Speaker 1: positive show. Josh, you're depressing me. I mean, no, wait,
Speaker 1: there is a silver lining here. There is a light
Speaker 1: at the end of this tunnel, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to work my way there. And I'm definitely you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a minister. I'm not here to preach you
Speaker 1: and tell you I have all the answers. I'm just
Speaker 1: asking questions, and I'm thinking about the tradition that we've
Speaker 1: received from all these different religions and spiritual philosophies that
Speaker 1: have basically tried to make sense out of the meaning
Speaker 1: of life and what this thing that we sometimes call
Speaker 1: hell might be all about. And you know you've heard
Speaker 1: me say before. I'm one of my good friends, Bill Banner.
Speaker 1: I knew him for years. I was in my twenties
Speaker 1: when I met him, and at that time, I guess
Speaker 1: he was probably in his seventies, and so we had
Speaker 1: what you might think I was an unlikely friendship, but
Speaker 1: I tell you he was one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: I used to go over to his house all the time,
Speaker 1: we used to hang out, eat pizza and drink beer,
Speaker 1: and he it was just like hanging out with another
Speaker 1: guy my age. But Bill Banner, he said that the
Speaker 1: thing that is the worst about living to be an
Speaker 1: old man is that you get to watch so many
Speaker 1: people that you love die. There's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about that. So there's always going you know, even if
Speaker 1: you eat your veggies and your exercise and you're blessed
Speaker 1: with good health and you live a long life, and
Speaker 1: you're still going to have sadness in it. It's inevitable.
Speaker 1: But if we sit down, we look at like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is the textbook deaf definition of this thing called hell? Anyway, Well,
Speaker 1: here's what we get from the Almighty Wikipedia. In religion
Speaker 1: and folklore, hell is a location or state in the
Speaker 1: afterlife in which souls are subjected to punitive suffering, most
Speaker 1: often through torture, as punishment after death. Now, right off
Speaker 1: the bat, I'm not sure that you can say that's
Speaker 1: an accurate description, because they're saying it's a state in
Speaker 1: the afterlife, and I'm raising the question of is it,
Speaker 1: you know, if is it possible that after life is
Speaker 1: a point of view that in other words, if you
Speaker 1: have an immortal spirit, then your spirit has always been around.
Speaker 1: Your spirit's always going to go around. So this might
Speaker 1: be the after life that you're in right now compared
Speaker 1: to the life that you were in before, the state
Speaker 1: that you were in. But anyway, religions with a linear
Speaker 1: divine history a depict hells as eternal destinations, the biggest
Speaker 1: examples of which are Christianity and Islam, Whereas religions with
Speaker 1: reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations,
Speaker 1: as is the case in Indian religions. Religions typically locate
Speaker 1: hell in another dimension or under Earth's surface. Other afterlife
Speaker 1: destinations include heaven, Paradise, purgatory, limbo, and the underworld. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think we all know what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1: One thing, though, that is, I've always thought this is fascinating.
Speaker 1: I've heard historians say that in the Bible, and I
Speaker 1: have to talk about the Bible because I was raised up,
Speaker 1: you know, as in the Southern Baptists tradition, that's my
Speaker 1: background growing up in North Carolina. Scholars have said that
Speaker 1: you know, when you hear hell referred to with the
Speaker 1: Bible all the time, that may actually be excuse me,
Speaker 1: it may actually be a little bit less of an
Speaker 1: intangible thing than a comparison to a literal spot. In
Speaker 1: ancient Jerusalem, there is a place there called Gehenna, and
Speaker 1: in the context of the Bible, the concept of Hell
Speaker 1: is often associated with Gehanna. This was a valley. This
Speaker 1: is a physical valley outside of ancient Jerusalem that was
Speaker 1: used as a garbage dump where trash was constantly burning,
Speaker 1: making it a metaphor for a place of eternal punishment.
Speaker 1: So in that sense, if that's the case, you could
Speaker 1: say that when they're talking about Hell, and instead of
Speaker 1: them talking about it as being some place that's like
Speaker 1: a prison that you go to or all these terrible
Speaker 1: things happen, that it was actually just a symbolic a
Speaker 1: symbolic way of describing the conditions associated with this burning
Speaker 1: trash dump. So this is a symbolic interpretation. Yeah, Gahinna
Speaker 1: says The exact location is disputed, but the Hebrew Bible
Speaker 1: refers to the valley as valley of the son of Hinhim.
Speaker 1: And then the name was could contract it into Gahinam,
Speaker 1: and then finally some ghem in which means hell. So
Speaker 1: maybe we are totally out of line when we're talking
Speaker 1: talking about the idea of hell as being some kind
Speaker 1: of a supernatural place as much as it is about
Speaker 1: repercussions that are going to cause you eternal suffering because
Speaker 1: you don't have a time machine yet. And that's why
Speaker 1: when somebody gets like, let's say somebody has a family
Speaker 1: member that gets murdered and then the murderer finally goes
Speaker 1: to prison, and they in these reporters, they'll go to
Speaker 1: the family and say, oh, so are you Are you
Speaker 1: satisfied now that the murderer is in prison, and they go, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's still not going to bring my loved one back.
Speaker 1: There are certain things that you do in life that
Speaker 1: have eternal repercussions, at least in terms of this particular life,
Speaker 1: and so we have to ask, you know, how literally
Speaker 1: are we talking about this? But if Hell may not
Speaker 1: necessarily be one particular ultimate place where everybody who's bad goes,
Speaker 1: it's like you either make the cut or you don't.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you had not told that one extra lie,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had to go to Hell. But now
Speaker 1: that you did that, well, you get thrown right in
Speaker 1: there with Hitler. It was, of course Dante who wrote
Speaker 1: the Divine, the Divine comedy, Dante's Inferno. See when did
Speaker 1: he write that? I know it was in the Middle Ages.
Speaker 1: It been nice to have a computer write at your
Speaker 1: fingertips these days sometimes is it gets okay? Published in
Speaker 1: thirteen twenty one, he brought up this interesting idea about
Speaker 1: there being circles of hell that you know, this this character,
Speaker 1: it gets taken on this this tour. Dante gets taken
Speaker 1: on a tour of hell by Virgil, and there are
Speaker 1: nine circles of Hell. And as he goes through these
Speaker 1: different layers of hell, these are like different stories in
Speaker 1: the prison of Hell, you know, like first floor or
Speaker 1: second floor or third different things are going on, and
Speaker 1: the punishments there are somehow designed to be fitting for
Speaker 1: the sin or the crime. So, for example, one of
Speaker 1: the sins here the fourth circle, is devoted to those
Speaker 1: who are in hell because of greed. And so for example,
Speaker 1: here in the fourth circle of Hell, Dante and Virgil
Speaker 1: see the souls of people who are punished for greed.
Speaker 1: They are divided into two groups, those who hoarded possessions
Speaker 1: and those who lavishly spent, and they are seen in
Speaker 1: hell as jousting with one another. They use great weights
Speaker 1: as a weapon, pushing it with their chests, which symbolizes
Speaker 1: their selfish pursuit for wealth during their lifetime. Both groups
Speaker 1: that are guarded by a character called Pluto, likely based
Speaker 1: on the ancient Roman ruler of the underworld, says the
Speaker 1: souls are so occupied with their actions that Dante and
Speaker 1: Virgil do not even try to speak to them, and
Speaker 1: Dante notes that he sees many clergymen among them, including
Speaker 1: cardinals and popes. So we have these these different circles
Speaker 1: of hell. The first circle is limbo, the second is lust,
Speaker 1: third is gluttony, the fourth one is greed, fifth is anger,
Speaker 1: sixth is heresy, seventh is violence, eighth is fraud, and
Speaker 1: the ninth is treachery. But I've always thought that limbo
Speaker 1: was particularly interesting. That's the very first one. The first
Speaker 1: circle is limbo. And the idea is that these are
Speaker 1: people who never committed to a belief, and so they
Speaker 1: live eternally in this landscape, this kind of blank landscape
Speaker 1: where they never can go anywhere. You know, that's their
Speaker 1: version of hell because they didn't make a commitment. And
Speaker 1: that's scary, isn't it. See, that's truly worrisome. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of that quote. I'm sure you've heard it before
Speaker 1: that all that's necessary for evil men to thrive is
Speaker 1: that good men do nothing. And so you might think
Speaker 1: by being complacent and not stirring the pot and letting
Speaker 1: everybody mind their own business, that you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: But what if what if it's like, no, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to not just float along. You're supposed to go out
Speaker 1: and actively do some good things, not just sit around
Speaker 1: and not be committed and be neutral about everything. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: time for a break again, am you though? This scientist
Speaker 1: said something, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what he said,
Speaker 1: and it's it's quite thought provoking. I'm josh wape Warren.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and
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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren, and this
Speaker 1: is a show where the unusual becomes usual. For many years,
Speaker 1: I appeared on lots of TV shows, and I finally
Speaker 1: got to a point where I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I just I think I've had enough with TV. I
Speaker 1: want to focus on other places, other types of art forms,
Speaker 1: other types of media expression. And so I don't really
Speaker 1: do television too much anymore. But back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: I was a cast member on a TV series on
Speaker 1: the Travel Channel called Paranormal Paparazzi, and we had our
Speaker 1: main studio in New York City. And I remember that
Speaker 1: one day I was in the studio and one of
Speaker 1: the producers had he stepped out for lunch or something
Speaker 1: like that, and he came back in and he walked
Speaker 1: in and he goes, Wow, I'm starstruck. He says. I
Speaker 1: don't usually get starstruck. But I was walking down the
Speaker 1: street and I look over and I ran into Nil
Speaker 1: de Crasse Tyson, Nil de grass Tyson. Surely you know
Speaker 1: who he is, American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. And
Speaker 1: he's what. He was born in nineteen fifty eight, and
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety six he has been the director of
Speaker 1: the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and
Speaker 1: Space in New York City. The center is part of
Speaker 1: the American Museum of Natural History, where Tyson founded the
Speaker 1: Department of Astrophysics in nineteen ninety seven and has been
Speaker 1: a research associate in the department since two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: You've seen him on TV. He's written a lot of books.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a very popular scientist who goes
Speaker 1: on TV and goes on the radio. And I recently
Speaker 1: found this interview that he Oh, excuse me. Sometimes when
Speaker 1: I'm here in this desert and the air is so dry,
Speaker 1: this is wintertime right now, it's rough on my voice. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I saw him being interviewed years ago by CBS, and
Speaker 1: I would love to play the audio for you, but
Speaker 1: I don't have the time to go contact CBS and
Speaker 1: get permissions. So I asked my wife Lauren to do
Speaker 1: a transcript. The interviewer was sitting there with Nil de
Speaker 1: Grass Tyson, and she says, do you believe in God
Speaker 1: or a creator? And here's what he said. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to read this verbatim. He answered me. The more
Speaker 1: I look at the universe, the less convinced I am
Speaker 1: that there is something benevolent going on. So if your
Speaker 1: concept of the creator is someone who's all powerful and
Speaker 1: all good. That's not an uncommon pairing of powers that
Speaker 1: you might ascribe to a creator all powerful and all good.
Speaker 1: And I look at the disasters that afflict Earth and
Speaker 1: life on Earth, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, disease, pestilence, congenital
Speaker 1: birth defects. You look at this list of ways that
Speaker 1: life is made miserable on Earth by natural causes, and
Speaker 1: I just think, how do you deal with that? So
Speaker 1: philosophers rose up and said, if there is a God,
Speaker 1: God is either not all powerful or not all good.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I have no problem if,
Speaker 1: as we probe the origin of things, we bump up
Speaker 1: into the bearded man, and if that shows up, we're
Speaker 1: good to go. Okay, not a problem. There's just no
Speaker 1: evidence of it. And this is why religions are called
Speaker 1: faiths collectively, because you believe something in the absence of evidence,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. That's why it's called faith.
Speaker 1: Otherwise we would call all religions evidence, but we don't
Speaker 1: for exactly that reason. So, given what everyone describes to
Speaker 1: be properties that would be expressed by an all powerful
Speaker 1: being in the gods that they worship, I look for
Speaker 1: that in the universe, and I don't find it, so
Speaker 1: I remain unconvinced. But if you had some good evidence,
Speaker 1: bring it great. And so I don't lead with that
Speaker 1: information because what I believe should be irrelevant to anyone.
Speaker 1: It's not about me, it's about the real world. Now
Speaker 1: that is That's the end of his statement. That's a
Speaker 1: very articulate response to a question like that, just off
Speaker 1: the cuff, and I understand exactly what he's talking about
Speaker 1: from a scientific point of view, but at least he
Speaker 1: is trying to define and clarify things that Well, if
Speaker 1: you mean God is some benevolent being, and he even
Speaker 1: mentions the bearded man, if that's what you mean, an
Speaker 1: all good being, well then it does necessarily makes sense,
Speaker 1: does it. But if God is something that transcends the
Speaker 1: version of the bearded man, that God is a state
Speaker 1: of balance, that God is a state of harmony that
Speaker 1: can be achieved, well, then maybe the pain that we
Speaker 1: are going through here is not because that God is
Speaker 1: not benevolent, but that we have brought problems on ourselves.
Speaker 1: And this is a classroom. We are being punished for
Speaker 1: things that we have done in the past. It's and
Speaker 1: it also you know I can't help but think of
Speaker 1: the book of Job. I've talked about this in the Bible,
Speaker 1: where you know, and this is just a story, whether
Speaker 1: you believe it or not. The point is Job is
Speaker 1: this wealthy, god fearing man with the comfortable life and
Speaker 1: a large family. And God God asks Satan, well, what
Speaker 1: do you think of Job here? And Satan says, ah,
Speaker 1: Job would turn away from you if he were rendered
Speaker 1: penniless and without his family and uncomfortable and diseased. And
Speaker 1: so God allows the devil to do all these terrible
Speaker 1: things to Job to prove that even then Job will
Speaker 1: not turn his back on God. There are different ways
Speaker 1: of looking at all this. But if this is a classroom,
Speaker 1: and if this is ultimately a temporary experience, experience and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you live to be one hundred years old,
Speaker 1: but still all things come to an end. If this
Speaker 1: is a classroom, and yes, part of the lesson is
Speaker 1: to suffer, because you get the character the stick. That's
Speaker 1: pretty much how people learn things. Unfortunately, Well, the good
Speaker 1: news is that even though you have to suffer as
Speaker 1: a part of this education at this rung of hell, well,
Speaker 1: then that means that if you are in this classroom,
Speaker 1: Then you are valuable. If you weren't valuable, you'd just
Speaker 1: be trashed somewhere, or you'd be put into the ice,
Speaker 1: you know, an absolute zero, you'd be sent off to
Speaker 1: the Phantom Realm and Superman. But no, if you are
Speaker 1: here because this is a classroom, because this is a
Speaker 1: rung of hell, and that means that you might be
Speaker 1: able to learn from it and to escape it. You're
Speaker 1: being given a chance to learn so that you can
Speaker 1: have a better after life without suffering. Now is that
Speaker 1: the case? I don't know. I'm not here to tell
Speaker 1: you that I have these answers. I don't do this
Speaker 1: show because I have the answers to everything. I'm a
Speaker 1: guy who's really good at bringing up questions and thinking
Speaker 1: through them and taking you on the journey. But I'd
Speaker 1: like to think that that's what's happening here, that it's
Speaker 1: certainly not paradise, that it is a wrung of hell,
Speaker 1: which has good parts and bad parts. It's way worse
Speaker 1: for some people than others. Most of my life is
Speaker 1: really good, but nobody can say one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: life is good. So you want to try to do
Speaker 1: the best you can. What does that mean? I always
Speaker 1: talk about you know, it's hard to it's easy to
Speaker 1: forget this, but and some people don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. The golden rule. Do unto others as you
Speaker 1: would have them do unto you. If you remember that,
Speaker 1: I think you'll pass the test. Be good. And also,
Speaker 1: do not preoccupy yourself with all of these temporary superficial attachments.
Speaker 1: You're wasting your time and energy if you elevate the
Speaker 1: superficial too much. And it's trust me, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to overcome those feelings because I'm the kind of guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a collector. I collect all kinds of useless things.
Speaker 1: I owned a museum for God's sake. I have storage
Speaker 1: units all over this country that are just so packed
Speaker 1: with stuff. I'm gonna have to go sell a lot
Speaker 1: of it soon because it's like I have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this stuff. And just remember, you know, it's
Speaker 1: very basic. Like they said, you can't take it with you.
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, saying, you've never seen a
Speaker 1: hearse towing a U haul trailer. Right, You've never seen
Speaker 1: a hearse towing the U haul trailer. So these are
Speaker 1: just things to think about. Here's some other wisdom for you,
Speaker 1: don't don't marry a lawyer, don't marry a reporter, don't
Speaker 1: date a hypnotist, and good luck hitting on your bank teller.
Speaker 1: I didn't just make all that up, by the way.
Speaker 1: That's that's advice I've picked up from friends over the years.
Speaker 1: So is this a rung of hill You figure it
Speaker 1: out for yourself. That's as far as I can take
Speaker 1: you on a podcast. But when we come back from
Speaker 1: this break, I'm going to do something that's unusual for me.
Speaker 1: I do not ordinarily play EVP. I'm talking audio recordings
Speaker 1: that may be ghostly ghostly EVP on this show. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big proponent of EVP. But when we come back,
Speaker 1: I am going to play for you an EVP that
Speaker 1: you've never heard before, and I just want to see
Speaker 1: what you think about it. The reason I'm going to
Speaker 1: play it is because I know that it's authentic, because
Speaker 1: I can stured it. And when we return, I'll explain
Speaker 1: to you where I captured it, what makes it special
Speaker 1: beyond just being like, you know, somebody's stomach growling in
Speaker 1: a dark room. But I can't, for the life of me,
Speaker 1: I can't figure out what it says I have I
Speaker 1: don't know, I might have an idea, but well, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'll explain. I'm going to play it for you here shortly.
Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pe Warren and you're listening to Strange Things
Speaker 1: all on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I AM
Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the final segment of this edition of Strange
Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And
Speaker 1: even though I've been doing paranormal investigation and experimentation for
Speaker 1: over thirty years, and trust me, I have heard a
Speaker 1: lot of so called ghostly audio EVP, you know, electronic
Speaker 1: voice phenomena, I am not the guy that you want
Speaker 1: to send that stuff to for analysis. And the reason
Speaker 1: is I require some pretty stringent criteria to be met
Speaker 1: for me to take something like an audio recording seriously.
Speaker 1: And that is because that well, it helps, for one thing,
Speaker 1: if it actually is audio from a video, so there's
Speaker 1: a visual component as well. But if you just send
Speaker 1: me some audio clip, I don't know what the context was.
Speaker 1: And also I'm not saying that you might be hoaxing it.
Speaker 1: I mean some people do hoax things, but also recorders
Speaker 1: will just pick up normal noises that you can't hear
Speaker 1: with your naked ear, and then you hear it and
Speaker 1: you try to make sense out of it using you know, paradoia,
Speaker 1: and so I just can't honestly do an analysis for you.
Speaker 1: It's just not my cup of tea when it comes
Speaker 1: to audio clips alone. And if you do send me
Speaker 1: something like that, then I will most likely forward it
Speaker 1: to my friend Dean Warsing, because he does specialize in EVP.
Speaker 1: He has even taught class as an instructor at a
Speaker 1: college on EVP. I'll just send it to Dean. If
Speaker 1: you have something that you want to be analyzed, I
Speaker 1: don't usually do that. I could sit here and talk
Speaker 1: to you for a whole hour about how that it
Speaker 1: is certainly possible that ghostly and paranormal stuff could be
Speaker 1: captured on these devices, and you'd be impressed to hear
Speaker 1: me give you my presentation. But I just can't analyze
Speaker 1: what you send me, because again, there's just too much
Speaker 1: information that I need. But I got something the other
Speaker 1: day that I thought was odd enough that maybe I
Speaker 1: should share it with you. I live in a big house.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of strange stuff all over the house.
Speaker 1: I avoid bringing things into the house that I think
Speaker 1: are negative, but I do have some things that are
Speaker 1: certainly haunted. One of them, of course, would be Kennedy
Speaker 1: the Ventriloquist figure. I would even say that Art Bell's
Speaker 1: alien statue Carvel. I currently have some haunted historic items,
Speaker 1: like a wheelchair of that Franklin D. Roosevelt used. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of stuff, and it's sort of
Speaker 1: spread around the house, but a lot of it is
Speaker 1: in one certain area. And Lauren and I have this
Speaker 1: little Chihuahua named Dolly, and she has seen it all.
Speaker 1: She's not one of those excitable dogs that just like
Speaker 1: real nervous and jumpy. She doesn't bark at every little thing,
Speaker 1: and we're very happy about that. And Dolly has, of
Speaker 1: course has most dogs, this little bed that she loves
Speaker 1: to sleep in. I do not allow dogs to come
Speaker 1: into my bedroom because I have allergies and I can't
Speaker 1: stand that hair everywhere. I can't breathe. I don't sleep
Speaker 1: with the dog. So when when Lauren and I turn in,
Speaker 1: then the dog she has this cage with a bed
Speaker 1: in it, and we leave the door open on the cage.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have to be in there, but she likes
Speaker 1: going in there because she has a little heating pad,
Speaker 1: and she likes to root around like a like a
Speaker 1: gopher or something, and she likes to get under blankets.
Speaker 1: She's one of those dogs likes to be covered covered up.
Speaker 1: But you know, her her bed is in this cage
Speaker 1: so that, like you know, if we have a workman
Speaker 1: come over or something, then we can easily close up
Speaker 1: the door and make sure that she doesn't run out
Speaker 1: and get into trouble. So she sleeps very peacefully in
Speaker 1: this in this bed, in this cage. In late December
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, I got an alert on my
Speaker 1: phone because I have a state of the art security
Speaker 1: system here at my house. I got an alert that
Speaker 1: said person detected. Now we have this little camera that's
Speaker 1: on her bed that's pointed toward her, and her bed
Speaker 1: is in the room that's right next to the room
Speaker 1: that has Kennedy the haunted doll, and some of this
Speaker 1: other haunted stuff. And I was a lot of times
Speaker 1: I work at night and I sleep during the day.
Speaker 1: This was about three o'clock in the afternoon, so it's
Speaker 1: broad daylight, and I see that there is a camera
Speaker 1: that has that has pointed toward her, that has alerted,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's unusual because sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: she'll move around and set off the camera, but this says,
Speaker 1: you know, person detected. And so I hit the button
Speaker 1: to watch the video. And what happens is you hear
Speaker 1: this very distinctive noise, kind of a clicking sound, like
Speaker 1: something is moved, and her head just shoots right out
Speaker 1: from under her little blanket and she's looking at something
Speaker 1: and then you hear this sound and she's looking right
Speaker 1: over at the room where all the spooky stuff is.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I did not at that time
Speaker 1: have a camera mounted where she is looking out at
Speaker 1: her perspective, so I can't see what she's looking at.
Speaker 1: All I know is she reacts to something that sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a physical object has moved in the room.
Speaker 1: She didn't mark or anything, but like she's looking at it,
Speaker 1: and then you hear this sound. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what to make of this exactly. Here's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: First off, I'm going to play the raw audio recording
Speaker 1: for you. It's only a few seconds long, and it's
Speaker 1: weird because you'll hear like this kind of clicky sound
Speaker 1: like something's moving, and then it's almost like the audio
Speaker 1: just drops for second, and then you'll hear of this
Speaker 1: kind of whispery sound. Okay, I'm just gonna play this once,
Speaker 1: so listen carefully. Here we go. Okay, I'm assuming you
Speaker 1: heard that little kind of creepy, whispery, whispery sound. I
Speaker 1: don't want to call it a voice, but if you
Speaker 1: missed it, now, I'm just going to play for you
Speaker 1: that little whispery voice like sound, just isolated on its own. Okay,
Speaker 1: listen again now. Of course, me being me, I took
Speaker 1: that thing and loaded it into my audio editing software
Speaker 1: and I started playing around with it. I magnified certain
Speaker 1: parts and listened to it. I sped it up and
Speaker 1: listened to it. I slowed it down and listened to it.
Speaker 1: I flipped it in all different ways. I used filters.
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure what I mean. I kind of
Speaker 1: have a feeling I think I know what it says.
Speaker 1: But listen to this. I'll just play for you one
Speaker 1: variation of it here it is slowed down and I
Speaker 1: want to say this has slowed down about fifty percent.
Speaker 1: All that says is the isolated whispery voice thing, but
Speaker 1: slowed down by about fifty percent. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I find that this actually sounds quite unsettling. So give
Speaker 1: this a listen. Well, there you go. What do you
Speaker 1: think of that? I am only playing this for you
Speaker 1: because that I know it's authentic because that I recorded it,
Speaker 1: and also because I have the video of the dog
Speaker 1: reacting to something as if she's seeing something right there
Speaker 1: in the room. Hopefully next time I'll have another camera
Speaker 1: that we'll capture whatever she's looking at. But that seems
Speaker 1: to happen a lot in the paranormal field. I think
Speaker 1: that if you want to figure out if an EVP
Speaker 1: may have some legitimacy, your best bet is to walk
Speaker 1: down the street and stop five strangers and play it
Speaker 1: for them and don't tell them what you think it says,
Speaker 1: and say what do you think this says? And if
Speaker 1: they all tell you the same thing, you might have something.
Speaker 1: But feel free to email me if you would like
Speaker 1: to tell me what you think that quote unquote voice
Speaker 1: may or may not be saying, as you know, I
Speaker 1: get so many messages it's impossible for me to read
Speaker 1: them all. I mean to respond to them all, but
Speaker 1: I do read them all. So just go to joshuap
Speaker 1: Warren dot com and email me. Okay, quick, mental manner
Speaker 1: before we wrap up. I've never been arrested, and I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how that process works. Knock on wood,
Speaker 1: but apparently a lot of people in prison, if they
Speaker 1: behave they get to listen to an AM FM radio
Speaker 1: and I get contacted sometimes by prisoners who say I
Speaker 1: have something I need to talk to you about. And
Speaker 1: I used to reply and say, okay, what is it?
Speaker 1: And then I stopped replying most of the time. And
Speaker 1: Lauren said why, and I said, because everybody in prison
Speaker 1: who contacts me after they've heard me on the radio,
Speaker 1: they always want the same thing. She goes, what is that?
Speaker 1: I said, they want to get out of prison. I'm
Speaker 1: the guy with the wishing machine. They just want to
Speaker 1: get out of prison, and I'm not in that business
Speaker 1: of helping you wish your way out of prison. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. All right, my friends, you know what time
Speaker 1: it is. If you can close your eyes, take a
Speaker 1: deep breath, relax. Let's all enjoy the good fortune tone.
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