1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warre. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: Ready to be amazed by the wizard of weird. This 11 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: is Strange Warren. I am Joshua BE Warren, and each 12 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: week on this show, I'll be bringing you brand new 13 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: mind blowing content, news, exercises, and weird experiments you can 14 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: do at home, and a lot more on this edition 15 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: of the show. Is this a rung of hell? By this, 16 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm talking about this world that you and I are 17 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: living in right now, this particular realm. Now I understand 18 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: immediately some clarification is necessary because I don't know if 19 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: you realize this, but when you listen to this podcast, 20 00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I can hear your thoughts telepathically and I know some 21 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: of you are bothered by me even asking that question, 22 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: what do you mean is this a rung of hell? 23 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: Because I, as you know, am a big proponent of 24 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: thinking positively and trying to manifest good things. And you 25 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: might say, well, if you start telling people that this 26 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: could be a rung of hell, they're going to get 27 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: really depressed and then things are going to start going 28 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: poorly for them. No, no, no, no again, let me explain 29 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: what I mean here, because that is absolutely true. If 30 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: you start looking at your life as a good thing 31 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: or a bad thing, if you're an optimist or a pessimist, 32 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: then you will actually start creating these reactions that will 33 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: manifest the way you are thinking. And I know when 34 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: it comes to stuff like positive thinking and law of attraction, 35 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: there are people who are like, oh, come on, don't 36 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: give me that hippie new age woo woo stuff. But 37 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not, and it's because it works because 38 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: of self fulfilling prophecies. I actually did a whole show 39 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: about self fulfilling prophecies I don't have in front of me, 40 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: which a number of the show that was what episode. 41 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: But the idea is that when you start believing something. 42 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: If you make up your mind about how something is 43 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: likely to turn out good or bad, well, then that 44 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: starts to affect the way you behave and then this 45 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: starts to affect the actions that you take, and the 46 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: actions that you take lead to real, tangible results. And 47 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: so that is the most basic form of manifestation. Now, 48 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: rituals and wands and metaphysical tools and things like that 49 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: can help you with this process, help you keep your 50 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: mind in the right place, but ultimately it's about using 51 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: the force. And this is something that comes from within you, 52 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: from within your mind, your spirit, your soul. So I 53 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: definitely would never try to say anything that would start 54 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: making you question whether or not you should feel positively 55 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: or negatively about life. That is a philosophical question. That 56 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: is a philosophical question. I'm not talking about that. I'm 57 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: talking about this in the literal sense. Is there literally 58 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: a reason to believe that, according to various belief systems, 59 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: that if interpreted a certain way, that this might actually 60 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: be a version of hell that we are in. We 61 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: are in the midst of it. And I'm going to 62 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: explain to you why that I asked this question. For 63 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: one thing, you know, my mom and dad were both 64 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: raised in western North Carolina in the mountains. Both had 65 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: big families. My dad was one of seven kids. My 66 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: mother was one of ten children. My mother was the youngest, 67 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of drama in the family, 68 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: and that is often the case with big families, especially 69 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: if you consider the age of everybody and how that 70 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, the Great Depression made a big impact on people. Anyway, 71 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: my mom had a sister named Paula, so this would 72 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: be my aunt, and of course my mom and Paula 73 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: were very, very close. They spent a lot of time 74 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: with each other. They talked on the phone all the time. 75 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: And Paula had a lot of really kind of tragic 76 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: things that happened to her throughout her life, and she 77 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: lived to be a fairly old lady. But towards the end, 78 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: I mean, all the stress for these things had taken 79 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: a toll on her mentally, and my mom would say 80 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: that Paula was convinced that we are currently living in 81 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: a rung of hell, that we are just not capable 82 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: of wrapping our minds around it. And the reason she 83 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: felt that way was because, well, if you look at 84 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: it very logically, everybody here gets to suffer. And and again, 85 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: I don't want you to take this the wrong way. 86 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to depress you, but I just let's 87 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: be realistic here for a moment. It doesn't matter if 88 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: you believe that there is no god. Let's just say 89 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: you are an atheist. You don't believe in anything other 90 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: than your personal experience. When you die, it's lights out, 91 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: your worm food, that's the end. If you believe that, 92 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: well fine, but you still get to suffer. And if 93 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: you don't believe that, if you believe that there are 94 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: divine spiritual leaders, if you believe somebody like Jesus Christ 95 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: was a perfect person, a living God among us, well 96 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: guess what even he had to suffer here in this realm, 97 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: suffer horribly. So a place where everybody gets to suffer 98 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: to some degree kind of sounds like the opposite of paradise, 99 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: doesn't it. And isn't that kind of what hell is 100 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be. I mean, it's sort of an all 101 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: or nothing proposition in a way. It's like either you 102 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: get a utopia where everything is positive and you don't 103 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: have to feel any pain and all that, or you 104 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: do get it to some degree, and maybe it's a 105 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: matter of these degrees. I have never I have never 106 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: studied seriously studied Buddhism, but I know that the Buddha 107 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: talked a lot about this concept of suffering being the 108 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: key to understanding the meaning of life by the way, 109 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: Buddha means enlightened one or nowhere fascinating story about Buddha. 110 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: You know, he grew up rich as a prince and 111 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: his wonderful, luxurious, sheltered life behind the gates of the palace, 112 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: and then and that was what he sort of believed 113 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: life was like for everybody. And then of course he 114 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: got old enough to go out into the town and 115 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: sort of disguise himself and see how everybody else was living, 116 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: and it shocked him. But anyway, Buddha said, we all 117 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: have to suffer, and that the root of suffering is attachment, 118 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: our attachment to this world. In fact, he talked about 119 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: what he called the four noble truths. And here is 120 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: kind of in a nutshell what they are, Buddha's four 121 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: noble truths. And there is of course a proper pronunciation 122 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: for these. I'm not going to try that out. But 123 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: the first one is basically, nothing is forever and that 124 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: is painful. I mean, that's a very simple thing. It's 125 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: hard to argue that is not true, right, How would 126 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: you argue against that? That nothing is forever and that 127 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: is painful. Next, that, together with this transient world and 128 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: its pain, there is also thirst, craving for, and attachment 129 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: to this transient, unsatisfactory existence. So he's sang right off 130 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: the bat, nothing is forever, and yet we are we 131 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: crave this thing that's impossible to attain because we're attached 132 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: to this thing that's that's not gonna be around forever. 133 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: The next is the attachment to this transient world and 134 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: its pain can be severed or contained by confining or 135 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: letting go of this craving. Interesting, what wouldn't that be 136 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: nice if you could just completely accept that this tendency 137 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: to be attached to your world is is theological. And 138 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: then lastly, of the four Noble truths is that the 139 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: the the there's a path leading to the confinement of 140 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: this desire and attachment and the release. And that's a 141 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: separate thing called the Noble Eightfold path. And we won't 142 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: get into that because that gets into how you might 143 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: practice with some of his ideas. And you know, Uh. 144 00:10:52,280 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: Last year, I saw terrible flooding just devastate large portions 145 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: of western North Carolina where I grew up, and people 146 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: were shocked. They just had no idea that that quickly 147 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: in West North Carolina, all of a sudden, this massive 148 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: flood could come through and destroy things. And now look 149 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: what has happened with these people in California who lost 150 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: their homes in the fire. I mean, it's earth shattering. 151 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: It's a reminder of the reality of what I'm telling you. 152 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: We have to take a break. When we come back 153 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: from this break, I'm going to explore this a little 154 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: bit more deeply. Well what supposedly is hell in a 155 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: literal sense? And I'm going to also read to you 156 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: something that one of the world's most famous scientists said 157 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: about this. And it's just something interesting for us to 158 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: think about because no matter who you are, no matter 159 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: what you believe, we all have this in common. But 160 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: how realistic is this idea? And is there actually something 161 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: good about it? 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I am 179 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: your host, the Wizard of Weird, beaming into your wormhole 180 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, 181 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver. 182 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Giatanto zume And uh you know, I hate to uh 183 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: hate to remind you, but no matter how great or 184 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: how sad your life may be, in your opinion. Well, 185 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: in the end we know how the story. The story 186 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: ends here we all die. We all die. Now that 187 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I know you're thinking, gosh, this is not a very 188 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: positive show. Josh, you're depressing me. I mean, no, wait, 189 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: there is a silver lining here. There is a light 190 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: at the end of this tunnel, and I'm going to 191 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: try to work my way there. And I'm definitely you know, 192 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a minister. I'm not here to preach you 193 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: and tell you I have all the answers. I'm just 194 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: asking questions, and I'm thinking about the tradition that we've 195 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: received from all these different religions and spiritual philosophies that 196 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: have basically tried to make sense out of the meaning 197 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: of life and what this thing that we sometimes call 198 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: hell might be all about. And you know you've heard 199 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: me say before. I'm one of my good friends, Bill Banner. 200 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: I knew him for years. I was in my twenties 201 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: when I met him, and at that time, I guess 202 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: he was probably in his seventies, and so we had 203 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: what you might think I was an unlikely friendship, but 204 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: I tell you he was one of my best friends. 205 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: I used to go over to his house all the time, 206 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: we used to hang out, eat pizza and drink beer, 207 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: and he it was just like hanging out with another 208 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: guy my age. But Bill Banner, he said that the 209 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: thing that is the worst about living to be an 210 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: old man is that you get to watch so many 211 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: people that you love die. There's nothing you can do 212 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: about that. So there's always going you know, even if 213 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: you eat your veggies and your exercise and you're blessed 214 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: with good health and you live a long life, and 215 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: you're still going to have sadness in it. It's inevitable. 216 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: But if we sit down, we look at like, Okay, 217 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: what is the textbook deaf definition of this thing called hell? Anyway, Well, 218 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: here's what we get from the Almighty Wikipedia. In religion 219 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: and folklore, hell is a location or state in the 220 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: afterlife in which souls are subjected to punitive suffering, most 221 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: often through torture, as punishment after death. Now, right off 222 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: the bat, I'm not sure that you can say that's 223 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: an accurate description, because they're saying it's a state in 224 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and I'm raising the question of is it, 225 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, if is it possible that after life is 226 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: a point of view that in other words, if you 227 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: have an immortal spirit, then your spirit has always been around. 228 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: Your spirit's always going to go around. So this might 229 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: be the after life that you're in right now compared 230 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: to the life that you were in before, the state 231 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: that you were in. But anyway, religions with a linear 232 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: divine history a depict hells as eternal destinations, the biggest 233 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: examples of which are Christianity and Islam, Whereas religions with 234 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations, 235 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: as is the case in Indian religions. Religions typically locate 236 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: hell in another dimension or under Earth's surface. Other afterlife 237 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: destinations include heaven, Paradise, purgatory, limbo, and the underworld. Okay, 238 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: I think we all know what we're talking about here. 239 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: One thing, though, that is, I've always thought this is fascinating. 240 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: I've heard historians say that in the Bible, and I 241 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: have to talk about the Bible because I was raised up, 242 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: you know, as in the Southern Baptists tradition, that's my 243 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: background growing up in North Carolina. Scholars have said that 244 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, when you hear hell referred to with the 245 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: Bible all the time, that may actually be excuse me, 246 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: it may actually be a little bit less of an 247 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: intangible thing than a comparison to a literal spot. In 248 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: ancient Jerusalem, there is a place there called Gehenna, and 249 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: in the context of the Bible, the concept of Hell 250 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: is often associated with Gehanna. This was a valley. This 251 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: is a physical valley outside of ancient Jerusalem that was 252 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: used as a garbage dump where trash was constantly burning, 253 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: making it a metaphor for a place of eternal punishment. 254 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: So in that sense, if that's the case, you could 255 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: say that when they're talking about Hell, and instead of 256 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: them talking about it as being some place that's like 257 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: a prison that you go to or all these terrible 258 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: things happen, that it was actually just a symbolic a 259 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: symbolic way of describing the conditions associated with this burning 260 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: trash dump. So this is a symbolic interpretation. Yeah, Gahinna 261 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: says The exact location is disputed, but the Hebrew Bible 262 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: refers to the valley as valley of the son of Hinhim. 263 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: And then the name was could contract it into Gahinam, 264 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: and then finally some ghem in which means hell. So 265 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: maybe we are totally out of line when we're talking 266 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: talking about the idea of hell as being some kind 267 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: of a supernatural place as much as it is about 268 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: repercussions that are going to cause you eternal suffering because 269 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: you don't have a time machine yet. And that's why 270 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: when somebody gets like, let's say somebody has a family 271 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: member that gets murdered and then the murderer finally goes 272 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: to prison, and they in these reporters, they'll go to 273 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: the family and say, oh, so are you Are you 274 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: satisfied now that the murderer is in prison, and they go, well, yeah, 275 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: but that's still not going to bring my loved one back. 276 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: There are certain things that you do in life that 277 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: have eternal repercussions, at least in terms of this particular life, 278 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: and so we have to ask, you know, how literally 279 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: are we talking about this? But if Hell may not 280 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: necessarily be one particular ultimate place where everybody who's bad goes, 281 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: it's like you either make the cut or you don't. 282 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: It's like, if you had not told that one extra lie, 283 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had to go to Hell. But now 284 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: that you did that, well, you get thrown right in 285 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: there with Hitler. It was, of course Dante who wrote 286 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: the Divine, the Divine comedy, Dante's Inferno. See when did 287 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: he write that? I know it was in the Middle Ages. 288 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: It been nice to have a computer write at your 289 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: fingertips these days sometimes is it gets okay? Published in 290 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: thirteen twenty one, he brought up this interesting idea about 291 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: there being circles of hell that you know, this this character, 292 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: it gets taken on this this tour. Dante gets taken 293 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: on a tour of hell by Virgil, and there are 294 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: nine circles of Hell. And as he goes through these 295 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: different layers of hell, these are like different stories in 296 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: the prison of Hell, you know, like first floor or 297 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: second floor or third different things are going on, and 298 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: the punishments there are somehow designed to be fitting for 299 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: the sin or the crime. So, for example, one of 300 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: the sins here the fourth circle, is devoted to those 301 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: who are in hell because of greed. And so for example, 302 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: here in the fourth circle of Hell, Dante and Virgil 303 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: see the souls of people who are punished for greed. 304 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: They are divided into two groups, those who hoarded possessions 305 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: and those who lavishly spent, and they are seen in 306 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: hell as jousting with one another. They use great weights 307 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: as a weapon, pushing it with their chests, which symbolizes 308 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: their selfish pursuit for wealth during their lifetime. Both groups 309 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: that are guarded by a character called Pluto, likely based 310 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: on the ancient Roman ruler of the underworld, says the 311 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: souls are so occupied with their actions that Dante and 312 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: Virgil do not even try to speak to them, and 313 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Dante notes that he sees many clergymen among them, including 314 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: cardinals and popes. So we have these these different circles 315 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: of hell. The first circle is limbo, the second is lust, 316 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: third is gluttony, the fourth one is greed, fifth is anger, 317 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: sixth is heresy, seventh is violence, eighth is fraud, and 318 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: the ninth is treachery. But I've always thought that limbo 319 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: was particularly interesting. That's the very first one. The first 320 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: circle is limbo. And the idea is that these are 321 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: people who never committed to a belief, and so they 322 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: live eternally in this landscape, this kind of blank landscape 323 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: where they never can go anywhere. You know, that's their 324 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: version of hell because they didn't make a commitment. And 325 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: that's scary, isn't it. See, that's truly worrisome. It reminds 326 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: me of that quote. I'm sure you've heard it before 327 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: that all that's necessary for evil men to thrive is 328 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: that good men do nothing. And so you might think 329 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: by being complacent and not stirring the pot and letting 330 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: everybody mind their own business, that you're doing the right thing. 331 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: But what if what if it's like, no, you're supposed 332 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: to not just float along. You're supposed to go out 333 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: and actively do some good things, not just sit around 334 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: and not be committed and be neutral about everything. Well, okay, 335 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: time for a break again, am you though? This scientist 336 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: said something, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what he said, 337 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: and it's it's quite thought provoking. I'm josh wape Warren. 338 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and 339 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be 340 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: back after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things 341 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Henormal 342 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren, and this 343 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: is a show where the unusual becomes usual. For many years, 344 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: I appeared on lots of TV shows, and I finally 345 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: got to a point where I said, you know what, 346 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: I just I think I've had enough with TV. I 347 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: want to focus on other places, other types of art forms, 348 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: other types of media expression. And so I don't really 349 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: do television too much anymore. But back in twenty twelve, 350 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: I was a cast member on a TV series on 351 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: the Travel Channel called Paranormal Paparazzi, and we had our 352 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: main studio in New York City. And I remember that 353 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: one day I was in the studio and one of 354 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: the producers had he stepped out for lunch or something 355 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: like that, and he came back in and he walked 356 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: in and he goes, Wow, I'm starstruck. He says. I 357 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: don't usually get starstruck. But I was walking down the 358 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: street and I look over and I ran into Nil 359 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: de Crasse Tyson, Nil de grass Tyson. Surely you know 360 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: who he is, American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. And 361 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: he's what. He was born in nineteen fifty eight, and 362 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety six he has been the director of 363 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and 364 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: Space in New York City. The center is part of 365 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: the American Museum of Natural History, where Tyson founded the 366 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Department of Astrophysics in nineteen ninety seven and has been 367 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: a research associate in the department since two thousand and three. 368 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: You've seen him on TV. He's written a lot of books. 369 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he is a very popular scientist who goes 370 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: on TV and goes on the radio. And I recently 371 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: found this interview that he Oh, excuse me. Sometimes when 372 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm here in this desert and the air is so dry, 373 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: this is wintertime right now, it's rough on my voice. Anyway, 374 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: I saw him being interviewed years ago by CBS, and 375 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: I would love to play the audio for you, but 376 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: I don't have the time to go contact CBS and 377 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: get permissions. So I asked my wife Lauren to do 378 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: a transcript. The interviewer was sitting there with Nil de 379 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: Grass Tyson, and she says, do you believe in God 380 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: or a creator? And here's what he said. I'm just 381 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: going to read this verbatim. He answered me. The more 382 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: I look at the universe, the less convinced I am 383 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: that there is something benevolent going on. So if your 384 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: concept of the creator is someone who's all powerful and 385 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: all good. That's not an uncommon pairing of powers that 386 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: you might ascribe to a creator all powerful and all good. 387 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: And I look at the disasters that afflict Earth and 388 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: life on Earth, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, disease, pestilence, congenital 389 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: birth defects. You look at this list of ways that 390 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: life is made miserable on Earth by natural causes, and 391 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: I just think, how do you deal with that? So 392 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: philosophers rose up and said, if there is a God, 393 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: God is either not all powerful or not all good. 394 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I have no problem if, 395 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: as we probe the origin of things, we bump up 396 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: into the bearded man, and if that shows up, we're 397 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: good to go. Okay, not a problem. There's just no 398 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: evidence of it. And this is why religions are called 399 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: faiths collectively, because you believe something in the absence of evidence, 400 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: and that's what it is. That's why it's called faith. 401 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: Otherwise we would call all religions evidence, but we don't 402 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: for exactly that reason. So, given what everyone describes to 403 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: be properties that would be expressed by an all powerful 404 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: being in the gods that they worship, I look for 405 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: that in the universe, and I don't find it, so 406 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: I remain unconvinced. But if you had some good evidence, 407 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: bring it great. And so I don't lead with that 408 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: information because what I believe should be irrelevant to anyone. 409 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: It's not about me, it's about the real world. Now 410 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: that is That's the end of his statement. That's a 411 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: very articulate response to a question like that, just off 412 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: the cuff, and I understand exactly what he's talking about 413 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: from a scientific point of view, but at least he 414 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: is trying to define and clarify things that Well, if 415 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: you mean God is some benevolent being, and he even 416 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: mentions the bearded man, if that's what you mean, an 417 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: all good being, well then it does necessarily makes sense, 418 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: does it. But if God is something that transcends the 419 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: version of the bearded man, that God is a state 420 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: of balance, that God is a state of harmony that 421 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: can be achieved, well, then maybe the pain that we 422 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: are going through here is not because that God is 423 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: not benevolent, but that we have brought problems on ourselves. 424 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: And this is a classroom. We are being punished for 425 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: things that we have done in the past. It's and 426 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: it also you know I can't help but think of 427 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: the book of Job. I've talked about this in the Bible, 428 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: where you know, and this is just a story, whether 429 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: you believe it or not. The point is Job is 430 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: this wealthy, god fearing man with the comfortable life and 431 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: a large family. And God God asks Satan, well, what 432 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: do you think of Job here? And Satan says, ah, 433 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: Job would turn away from you if he were rendered 434 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: penniless and without his family and uncomfortable and diseased. And 435 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: so God allows the devil to do all these terrible 436 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: things to Job to prove that even then Job will 437 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: not turn his back on God. There are different ways 438 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: of looking at all this. But if this is a classroom, 439 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: and if this is ultimately a temporary experience, experience and 440 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you live to be one hundred years old, 441 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: but still all things come to an end. If this 442 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: is a classroom, and yes, part of the lesson is 443 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: to suffer, because you get the character the stick. That's 444 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: pretty much how people learn things. Unfortunately, Well, the good 445 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: news is that even though you have to suffer as 446 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: a part of this education at this rung of hell, well, 447 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: then that means that if you are in this classroom, 448 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: Then you are valuable. If you weren't valuable, you'd just 449 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: be trashed somewhere, or you'd be put into the ice, 450 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, an absolute zero, you'd be sent off to 451 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: the Phantom Realm and Superman. But no, if you are 452 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: here because this is a classroom, because this is a 453 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: rung of hell, and that means that you might be 454 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: able to learn from it and to escape it. You're 455 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: being given a chance to learn so that you can 456 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: have a better after life without suffering. Now is that 457 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: the case? I don't know. I'm not here to tell 458 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: you that I have these answers. I don't do this 459 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: show because I have the answers to everything. I'm a 460 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: guy who's really good at bringing up questions and thinking 461 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: through them and taking you on the journey. But I'd 462 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: like to think that that's what's happening here, that it's 463 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: certainly not paradise, that it is a wrung of hell, 464 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: which has good parts and bad parts. It's way worse 465 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: for some people than others. Most of my life is 466 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: really good, but nobody can say one hundred percent of 467 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: life is good. So you want to try to do 468 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: the best you can. What does that mean? I always 469 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: talk about you know, it's hard to it's easy to 470 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: forget this, but and some people don't know what I'm 471 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: talking about. The golden rule. Do unto others as you 472 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: would have them do unto you. If you remember that, 473 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: I think you'll pass the test. Be good. And also, 474 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: do not preoccupy yourself with all of these temporary superficial attachments. 475 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: You're wasting your time and energy if you elevate the 476 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: superficial too much. And it's trust me, it's hard for 477 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: me to overcome those feelings because I'm the kind of guy. 478 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm a collector. I collect all kinds of useless things. 479 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: I owned a museum for God's sake. I have storage 480 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: units all over this country that are just so packed 481 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: with stuff. I'm gonna have to go sell a lot 482 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: of it soon because it's like I have nothing to 483 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: do with this stuff. And just remember, you know, it's 484 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: very basic. Like they said, you can't take it with you. 485 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: I think there's you know, saying, you've never seen a 486 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: hearse towing a U haul trailer. Right, You've never seen 487 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: a hearse towing the U haul trailer. So these are 488 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: just things to think about. Here's some other wisdom for you, 489 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: don't don't marry a lawyer, don't marry a reporter, don't 490 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: date a hypnotist, and good luck hitting on your bank teller. 491 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: I didn't just make all that up, by the way. 492 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: That's that's advice I've picked up from friends over the years. 493 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: So is this a rung of hill You figure it 494 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: out for yourself. That's as far as I can take 495 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: you on a podcast. But when we come back from 496 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: this break, I'm going to do something that's unusual for me. 497 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: I do not ordinarily play EVP. I'm talking audio recordings 498 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: that may be ghostly ghostly EVP on this show. I'm 499 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: not a big proponent of EVP. But when we come back, 500 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: I am going to play for you an EVP that 501 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: you've never heard before, and I just want to see 502 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: what you think about it. The reason I'm going to 503 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: play it is because I know that it's authentic, because 504 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: I can stured it. And when we return, I'll explain 505 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 1: to you where I captured it, what makes it special 506 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: beyond just being like, you know, somebody's stomach growling in 507 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: a dark room. But I can't, for the life of me, 508 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: I can't figure out what it says I have I 509 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: don't know, I might have an idea, but well, anyway, 510 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: I'll explain. I'm going to play it for you here shortly. 511 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pe Warren and you're listening to Strange Things 512 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: all on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I AM 513 00:37:35,280 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Welcome 514 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: back to the final segment of this edition of Strange 515 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 516 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And 517 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: even though I've been doing paranormal investigation and experimentation for 518 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: over thirty years, and trust me, I have heard a 519 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: lot of so called ghostly audio EVP, you know, electronic 520 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: voice phenomena, I am not the guy that you want 521 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: to send that stuff to for analysis. And the reason 522 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: is I require some pretty stringent criteria to be met 523 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: for me to take something like an audio recording seriously. 524 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: And that is because that well, it helps, for one thing, 525 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: if it actually is audio from a video, so there's 526 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: a visual component as well. But if you just send 527 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: me some audio clip, I don't know what the context was. 528 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: And also I'm not saying that you might be hoaxing it. 529 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean some people do hoax things, but also recorders 530 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: will just pick up normal noises that you can't hear 531 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: with your naked ear, and then you hear it and 532 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: you try to make sense out of it using you know, paradoia, 533 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: and so I just can't honestly do an analysis for you. 534 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: It's just not my cup of tea when it comes 535 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: to audio clips alone. And if you do send me 536 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: something like that, then I will most likely forward it 537 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: to my friend Dean Warsing, because he does specialize in EVP. 538 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: He has even taught class as an instructor at a 539 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: college on EVP. I'll just send it to Dean. If 540 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: you have something that you want to be analyzed, I 541 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: don't usually do that. I could sit here and talk 542 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: to you for a whole hour about how that it 543 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: is certainly possible that ghostly and paranormal stuff could be 544 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: captured on these devices, and you'd be impressed to hear 545 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: me give you my presentation. But I just can't analyze 546 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: what you send me, because again, there's just too much 547 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: information that I need. But I got something the other 548 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: day that I thought was odd enough that maybe I 549 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: should share it with you. I live in a big house. 550 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: I have a lot of strange stuff all over the house. 551 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: I avoid bringing things into the house that I think 552 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: are negative, but I do have some things that are 553 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: certainly haunted. One of them, of course, would be Kennedy 554 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: the Ventriloquist figure. I would even say that Art Bell's 555 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: alien statue Carvel. I currently have some haunted historic items, 556 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: like a wheelchair of that Franklin D. Roosevelt used. I mean, 557 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: I have a lot of stuff, and it's sort of 558 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: spread around the house, but a lot of it is 559 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: in one certain area. And Lauren and I have this 560 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: little Chihuahua named Dolly, and she has seen it all. 561 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: She's not one of those excitable dogs that just like 562 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: real nervous and jumpy. She doesn't bark at every little thing, 563 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: and we're very happy about that. And Dolly has, of 564 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 1: course has most dogs, this little bed that she loves 565 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: to sleep in. I do not allow dogs to come 566 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: into my bedroom because I have allergies and I can't 567 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: stand that hair everywhere. I can't breathe. I don't sleep 568 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: with the dog. So when when Lauren and I turn in, 569 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: then the dog she has this cage with a bed 570 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: in it, and we leave the door open on the cage. 571 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: She doesn't have to be in there, but she likes 572 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: going in there because she has a little heating pad, 573 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: and she likes to root around like a like a 574 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 1: gopher or something, and she likes to get under blankets. 575 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: She's one of those dogs likes to be covered covered up. 576 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: But you know, her her bed is in this cage 577 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: so that, like you know, if we have a workman 578 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: come over or something, then we can easily close up 579 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: the door and make sure that she doesn't run out 580 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: and get into trouble. So she sleeps very peacefully in 581 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: this in this bed, in this cage. In late December 582 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, I got an alert on my 583 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: phone because I have a state of the art security 584 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: system here at my house. I got an alert that 585 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: said person detected. Now we have this little camera that's 586 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: on her bed that's pointed toward her, and her bed 587 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: is in the room that's right next to the room 588 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: that has Kennedy the haunted doll, and some of this 589 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: other haunted stuff. And I was a lot of times 590 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: I work at night and I sleep during the day. 591 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: This was about three o'clock in the afternoon, so it's 592 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: broad daylight, and I see that there is a camera 593 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: that has that has pointed toward her, that has alerted, 594 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's unusual because sometimes, you know, 595 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: she'll move around and set off the camera, but this says, 596 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, person detected. And so I hit the button 597 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: to watch the video. And what happens is you hear 598 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: this very distinctive noise, kind of a clicking sound, like 599 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: something is moved, and her head just shoots right out 600 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: from under her little blanket and she's looking at something 601 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: and then you hear this sound and she's looking right 602 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: over at the room where all the spooky stuff is. 603 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I did not at that time 604 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: have a camera mounted where she is looking out at 605 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: her perspective, so I can't see what she's looking at. 606 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: All I know is she reacts to something that sounds like, 607 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's a physical object has moved in the room. 608 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: She didn't mark or anything, but like she's looking at it, 609 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: and then you hear this sound. So I don't know 610 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: what to make of this exactly. Here's what I'm gonna do. 611 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: First off, I'm going to play the raw audio recording 612 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: for you. It's only a few seconds long, and it's 613 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: weird because you'll hear like this kind of clicky sound 614 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: like something's moving, and then it's almost like the audio 615 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: just drops for second, and then you'll hear of this 616 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of whispery sound. Okay, I'm just gonna play this once, 617 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: so listen carefully. Here we go. Okay, I'm assuming you 618 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: heard that little kind of creepy, whispery, whispery sound. I 619 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: don't want to call it a voice, but if you 620 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: missed it, now, I'm just going to play for you 621 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: that little whispery voice like sound, just isolated on its own. Okay, 622 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: listen again now. Of course, me being me, I took 623 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: that thing and loaded it into my audio editing software 624 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,240 Speaker 1: and I started playing around with it. I magnified certain 625 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: parts and listened to it. I sped it up and 626 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: listened to it. I slowed it down and listened to it. 627 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: I flipped it in all different ways. I used filters. 628 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm still not sure what I mean. I kind of 629 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 1: have a feeling I think I know what it says. 630 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: But listen to this. I'll just play for you one 631 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: variation of it here it is slowed down and I 632 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: want to say this has slowed down about fifty percent. 633 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: All that says is the isolated whispery voice thing, but 634 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: slowed down by about fifty percent. And I don't know. 635 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: I find that this actually sounds quite unsettling. So give 636 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: this a listen. Well, there you go. What do you 637 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: think of that? I am only playing this for you 638 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: because that I know it's authentic because that I recorded it, 639 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: and also because I have the video of the dog 640 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: reacting to something as if she's seeing something right there 641 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: in the room. Hopefully next time I'll have another camera 642 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: that we'll capture whatever she's looking at. But that seems 643 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: to happen a lot in the paranormal field. I think 644 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: that if you want to figure out if an EVP 645 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: may have some legitimacy, your best bet is to walk 646 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: down the street and stop five strangers and play it 647 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: for them and don't tell them what you think it says, 648 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: and say what do you think this says? And if 649 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: they all tell you the same thing, you might have something. 650 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: But feel free to email me if you would like 651 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: to tell me what you think that quote unquote voice 652 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: may or may not be saying, as you know, I 653 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,919 Speaker 1: get so many messages it's impossible for me to read 654 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: them all. I mean to respond to them all, but 655 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: I do read them all. So just go to joshuap 656 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: Warren dot com and email me. Okay, quick, mental manner 657 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: before we wrap up. I've never been arrested, and I 658 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how that process works. Knock on wood, 659 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: but apparently a lot of people in prison, if they 660 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,280 Speaker 1: behave they get to listen to an AM FM radio 661 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: and I get contacted sometimes by prisoners who say I 662 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: have something I need to talk to you about. And 663 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: I used to reply and say, okay, what is it? 664 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: And then I stopped replying most of the time. And 665 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: Lauren said why, and I said, because everybody in prison 666 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: who contacts me after they've heard me on the radio, 667 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: they always want the same thing. She goes, what is that? 668 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: I said, they want to get out of prison. I'm 669 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: the guy with the wishing machine. They just want to 670 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: get out of prison, and I'm not in that business 671 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: of helping you wish your way out of prison. Oh 672 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: my goodness. All right, my friends, you know what time 673 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: it is. If you can close your eyes, take a 674 00:48:48,520 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: deep breath, relax. Let's all enjoy the good fortune tone. 675 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of the show. Follow me 676 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: at Joshua P. Warren, Plus visit Joshuapwarren dot com to 677 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: sign up for my free E newsletter to receive a 678 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: free instant gift, and check out the cool stuff in 679 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: the Curiosity Shop. All at Joshuapwarren dot com. I have 680 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: a fun one lined up for you next time, I promise, 681 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: So please tell all your friends to subscribe to this 682 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,840 Speaker 1: show and to always remember the Golden Rule. Thank you 683 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: for listening, Thank you for your interest and support. Thank 684 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: you for staying curious, and I will talk to you 685 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on the 686 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 687 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 2: Well, if you like this episode of Strange Things, wait 688 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,240 Speaker 2: till you hear the next one. Thank you for listening 689 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 2: to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.