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Speaker 1: weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot more.
Speaker 1: On this edition of the show. Spring Hilled, Jack, lizard
Speaker 1: Man a Lalla Rona. Do you know what any of
Speaker 1: those are maybe you know what all of them are. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: I have connected these things in my mind and I'm
Speaker 1: going to explain to you in this show what that
Speaker 1: connection is. And these are some of the weirdest stories
Speaker 1: that I've come across. Okay, so I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: digging into them, and these are ones that I've I've
Speaker 1: really never talked about in depth before. But first, but first,
Speaker 1: I have a very interesting update for you, some really
Speaker 1: cool news. So Justin Perry is a good friend of
Speaker 1: mine who lives in Texas and he is a manifestation master.
Speaker 1: He owns this extremely popular channel on YouTube called You
Speaker 1: Are Creators. So if you just go to YouTube dot
Speaker 1: com type in you Are Creators, that will pop up.
Speaker 1: He has one point six six million subscribers and eight
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty videos and it's just growing every day.
Speaker 1: And one of the things about Justin, and by the way,
Speaker 1: he has this uh afirmation that he uses all the time,
Speaker 1: and he says it's extremely powerful. He loves coming up
Speaker 1: with affirmations that seem very effective for people. So just
Speaker 1: on a side note, take a note of this uh
Speaker 1: He says, here here you go. Money comes to me
Speaker 1: and expected and unexpected ways, and then you repeat that
Speaker 1: five times with emotion and conviction. Every day. Here it
Speaker 1: is again, money comes to me in expected and unexpected ways,
Speaker 1: five times a day. He says, money you you would
Speaker 1: just the abundance will start to shower you. You will
Speaker 1: be amazed. So I enjoy sharing that with you. And
Speaker 1: he is a very very busy guy. Okay, he's involved
Speaker 1: in lots of enterprises. He and his wife have three sons.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, one of his sons is
Speaker 1: named Joshua. And we were having this conversation about parents
Speaker 1: naming their kids Joshua, and I mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 1: my mom and dad they to give their kids biblical names,
Speaker 1: and so they they admired Joshua from the Bible. And
Speaker 1: of course you've heard the song Joshua fit the Battle
Speaker 1: of Jericho, right, and that is it's about this incident
Speaker 1: in the Book of Joshua, the first battle fought by
Speaker 1: the Israelites in the course of the conquest of Canaan.
Speaker 1: And they say that um, the Israelites they marched around
Speaker 1: the city walls once a day for six days, and
Speaker 1: then seven times on the seventh day, and they blew
Speaker 1: trumpets and the walls, the great mighty walls around the
Speaker 1: city just kicked the crack that they came crumbling and
Speaker 1: tumbling down. And so that's when the Israelites were able
Speaker 1: to go in and uh and take over. And what's
Speaker 1: kind of funny is that Lauren pointed out the other
Speaker 1: day that there was a Garth Brooks concert in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: This is just days ago, and over one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: fans showed up at l s u S Tiger Stadium
Speaker 1: and they were dancing and singing so hard that it
Speaker 1: actually caused a small earthquake. It literally registered on a seismograph.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's similar to what happened in the Bible,
Speaker 1: some kind of a man made earthquake, you know. Tesla
Speaker 1: claimed he had sort of an earthquake machine that he
Speaker 1: could use. But anyway, aside from being fascinated with manifestation, uh,
Speaker 1: Justin is extremely into UFOs and alien contact. He's one
Speaker 1: of the most interested people I've ever met. And as
Speaker 1: soon as he heard that I was working with Jason
Speaker 1: Saracchi to produce these Vegas UFO skywatches, Justin bought an
Speaker 1: airplane ticket and he flew here and we got together
Speaker 1: on April the twenty ninth of this year, because it
Speaker 1: was basically the new moon and nice and dark, and
Speaker 1: what we do is we can, but we gave him,
Speaker 1: you know, this v I P experience. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: just him, Jason, myself and my wife Lauren. And when
Speaker 1: we do these skywatches with third generation night vision goggles,
Speaker 1: we take we take people out into the desert at
Speaker 1: least like thirty maybe thirty minutes from Vegas to get
Speaker 1: away from light pollution. And we have different locations we
Speaker 1: can pick and choose from, and so we keep them
Speaker 1: most of the time confidential. We don't tell people exactly
Speaker 1: where we're gonna be. So this first night, okay, well
Speaker 1: here the first at the first sight of that night,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you what happened. So Justin has
Speaker 1: never used third generation night vision goggles before. And this
Speaker 1: technology is so precious that it's it's literally illegal to
Speaker 1: allow a non US citizen to look through a pair
Speaker 1: of third generation night vision goggles. It's a federal offense.
Speaker 1: It's due to what's called I TAR I T, a
Speaker 1: arts regulatory for you know, weapons systems and all that.
Speaker 1: But so we you know, we have to make sure
Speaker 1: we only allow US citizens to participate, and some people
Speaker 1: don't understand that, but we don't have a choice. So anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: so we get out there in the field and Jason Saracchi,
Speaker 1: of course he has this excellent setup. Uh, He's got
Speaker 1: every type of camera you could want, all these different goggles,
Speaker 1: and I mean the weather was ideal, the sky was clear,
Speaker 1: I mean it was ah, we just knew we were
Speaker 1: going to see something. Well the first thing that happened,
Speaker 1: it was kind of really great luck and kind of
Speaker 1: bad luck at the same time. And let me explain
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, so we had, uh, we each
Speaker 1: had a pair of third generation night vision goggles. At
Speaker 1: this time. Lauren was not around and it was just
Speaker 1: Jason and Justin and myself, the three the three J's
Speaker 1: in the field. And because that, okay, then we only
Speaker 1: use the finest third generation night vision goggles. He's called
Speaker 1: Para Temporal night Vision goggles. And if you want to
Speaker 1: learn all about them, and you can watch videos and stuff,
Speaker 1: go to Para Temporal dot com p A r A
Speaker 1: T E M p O r A L Para Temporal
Speaker 1: dot com and uh, and you can learn why that
Speaker 1: we only use them, and a pair of these costs
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. Uh, there are some you can get
Speaker 1: that are less expensive, but we are using like the
Speaker 1: Crimdala crime. So in order to film through these third
Speaker 1: gend goggles, what you do is you take these goggles,
Speaker 1: which are ordinarily kind of like just binoculars that you
Speaker 1: would look through, which allow you to see into the
Speaker 1: invisible infrared realm. And it's unbelievable because for every star
Speaker 1: you can see with your naked eye, you can see
Speaker 1: like twenty or thirty through the goggles. I mean, the
Speaker 1: sky just explodes and sparkles like diamonds. It's amazing. But
Speaker 1: when you get these things, you're you're looking directly through them,
Speaker 1: and if you want to record what you're seeing, then
Speaker 1: traditionally what you do is you kind of remove one
Speaker 1: of the eye pieces and then you have a after
Speaker 1: that you can use to screw on a camera. So
Speaker 1: having the camera there is really great because obviously you
Speaker 1: can record what the goggles see, but it also kind
Speaker 1: of takes away from your experience using the goggles in
Speaker 1: real time because you're giving up an eyepiece there and there.
Speaker 1: There's there's something sort of between your face and and
Speaker 1: the goggles. So what I'm getting out here is at
Speaker 1: this point, Jason he had just gotten his camera hooked
Speaker 1: up to his third gen night vision goggles, and Justin
Speaker 1: and I didn't have cameras hooked up yet, and I
Speaker 1: was just sort of showing him how to use the goggles,
Speaker 1: and he's just going, Wow, this is amazing, you know.
Speaker 1: And so at one point I said to um, I okay.
Speaker 1: At one point I'm looking up and it was just
Speaker 1: like so lucky, was so serendipitous. Justin and I were
Speaker 1: looking at the same spot and the guy at the
Speaker 1: same time, and we both go WHOA, This big, bright,
Speaker 1: like jagged looking object that seemed very low and close
Speaker 1: to us goes darting right over our heads and we're
Speaker 1: just screaming. And and of course, poor old Jason, he's
Speaker 1: just getting his camera hooked up. He was where is it?
Speaker 1: Where is it? And this thing we couldn't have been
Speaker 1: there longer than ten seconds before I just shot right
Speaker 1: off into space. And so the two guys who saw it,
Speaker 1: Justin myself, we're lucky that we both got to see
Speaker 1: that was super lucky. But we didn't have the cameras
Speaker 1: on our goggles and the one the one guy who
Speaker 1: did Jason, he he wasn't looking in the same spot
Speaker 1: at that time, so we didn't get proof of that.
Speaker 1: But that sucked. But don't worry. Don't worry, because later
Speaker 1: on something very interesting happened. We ended up seeing quite
Speaker 1: a few UFOs at that at that spot, and Jason
Speaker 1: got some great footage. But I think the big achievement
Speaker 1: of the night was what happened when we decided to
Speaker 1: drive an hour to make the light the night longer,
Speaker 1: which is something we wouldn't ordinarily do on a SkyWatch
Speaker 1: unless somebody requested that extra time. And um, we we.
Speaker 1: We took our little group up north of Las Vegas
Speaker 1: on the route to area fifty one, to where I
Speaker 1: discovered the so called time warp. So here we are
Speaker 1: out there late at night, and it's so dark and
Speaker 1: it's eerily quiet, and we're ready now, Okay, we're prepared now,
Speaker 1: and we all saw something and it's on video. Um,
Speaker 1: when we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what we saw, and I'm going to play some
Speaker 1: audio for you of us reacting to what we were seeing.
Speaker 1: So cool, and then of course after that I'll finally
Speaker 1: get into all these weird beings that I've been intrigued
Speaker 1: by that may or may not even have a connection
Speaker 1: to some of these well aliens, interdimensional beings that I
Speaker 1: was spring Hill Jack lizard Man. Anyway, Uh, listen to this.
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Speaker 1: wormhole brain from my studio and sends city Las Vegas, Nevada,
Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver,
Speaker 1: And here we were on one of those silver nights
Speaker 1: at the time warp. This is the place where in
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, I made a discovery that went viral,
Speaker 1: made international headlines. I used Ron Heath's DT meter, his
Speaker 1: differential time rate meter, and discovered this spot on the
Speaker 1: side of the road on the way to Area fifty one,
Speaker 1: where I was able to measure time momentarily slowing down,
Speaker 1: which at that time mainstream scientists said should not be possible.
Speaker 1: But just since then, in the past four years or so,
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of advances that are starting
Speaker 1: to confirm more and more that time is a little
Speaker 1: slippery and lucy guco all over the place. And of
Speaker 1: course then things got even weirder when I found that
Speaker 1: later on that this was a paranormal hot spot where
Speaker 1: people have been seeing UFOs, having close encounters, experience it
Speaker 1: seem missing time. I've talked about it a lot and
Speaker 1: once before Jason went out there at night and he
Speaker 1: got some kind of a weird light in the desert
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. Well here we were back
Speaker 1: there again late at night, perfect conditions, and lo and behold, boom.
Speaker 1: Here we have out in the desert pal a light
Speaker 1: that appears, and then a second light that appears, and
Speaker 1: they're drifting around the desert. And these are not visible
Speaker 1: to the naked eye, exceptcept occasionally you might get a
Speaker 1: little hint of a reddish color, but usually they were
Speaker 1: not available. And let let me just play the audio,
Speaker 1: just part of the audio from you know what what
Speaker 1: happened to us? Our reaction when we solve these lights appearing.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna hear I think all of us
Speaker 1: in this. I'm talking, Jason's talking, Justin's talking. I think
Speaker 1: even Lauren chimes in at a certain point. So here
Speaker 1: you go. This will give you an idea of how
Speaker 1: exciting this was for us. There's something down there? What
Speaker 1: is down there? Do you see that? Yeah? It's bright
Speaker 1: as hell, yo, Justin, come here quickly. Yeah, Lauren, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell that is. There's two of
Speaker 1: them looked over there. Man, they looked for the nike
Speaker 1: and eye you can't see. But look, there's something flash
Speaker 1: and it just crossed the field. It's in the same
Speaker 1: place it was before. It's about to disappear. So you
Speaker 1: look with your naked eye justin there's nothing there. What
Speaker 1: the hell is that? It's gone? Oh, this is exactly
Speaker 1: where I saw. It's further away. Now do you see
Speaker 1: a far just moved? Lauren, are you recording that? Look
Speaker 1: right down the trail. It's gone. Yeah, it just disappeared. Well,
Speaker 1: it's I could barely see a little bit. Holy again
Speaker 1: up the lights back. It's down there again down the
Speaker 1: trail this time it is that. We gotta go down there,
Speaker 1: like I think this warrants a walk. It's gone. It's
Speaker 1: there still, it's still there. Now it's gone. What the
Speaker 1: hell was that? It's back again. It's way further down
Speaker 1: the trail though, way further down back. Look at that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it is bad. Okay, it's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: videotaping it's gone again. Yeah, it appears and disappears. Now.
Speaker 1: Jason was a brave man that night, and he actually
Speaker 1: walked by himself way down that trail to see if
Speaker 1: he could get a closer look. Even though there are
Speaker 1: mountain lions and coyotes and rattlesnakes and scorpions, they was gone.
Speaker 1: It was gone. If you want to see this footage, though,
Speaker 1: if you actually want to see what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: John Carter up there in Canada he put these clips together.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is go to YouTube and
Speaker 1: just do a search for his channel, which is UFOs Worldwide,
Speaker 1: and you'll see he's called it two orbs called in
Speaker 1: Nevada Desert. Two orbs called in Nevada Desert. And I'll
Speaker 1: try to remember to post a link to that uh
Speaker 1: on my Twitter for you as well. But anyway, you
Speaker 1: can see how excited we were. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Justin said that he had such a great time he's
Speaker 1: already planning his next trip back. And so that's why
Speaker 1: I don't know how long we're going to make these
Speaker 1: things available. Um, but can you imagine what a surprising
Speaker 1: gift that would be for somebody. I mean, like, like,
Speaker 1: what's cooler than going out and having experiences like that
Speaker 1: with your own eyes. If you want to look into
Speaker 1: coming to the area, we'll do our best to work
Speaker 1: with you and accommodate your schedule. Just go to Vegas
Speaker 1: UFOs dot com. It's also okay to bring uh kids.
Speaker 1: We originally were uncertain about that, but we've decided that
Speaker 1: a lot of people in town, you know, they want
Speaker 1: to show their kids this stuff, so we're cool with that.
Speaker 1: So just go to Vegas UFOs dot com. But we're
Speaker 1: not gonna be taking a lot of reservations this year,
Speaker 1: so hopefully you'll be able to join us. So listen. Um,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about what, you know, what we were
Speaker 1: seeing that night, and what's going on at the time
Speaker 1: warp and what kind of beings might be coming here
Speaker 1: from other dimensions, and I started my mind started racing
Speaker 1: about some of my favorite bizarre, unsolved mysteries, and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some some stuff that I've never really
Speaker 1: talked about in depth on this show. Then may have
Speaker 1: something to do with visitors from these other places. And
Speaker 1: I promise, I know this sounds like I'm going all
Speaker 1: over the place, but I'm going to connect all of
Speaker 1: this together for you by the end of the show.
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, one of the weirdest beings
Speaker 1: that I came across was this character, you know, just
Speaker 1: in literature call spring hill Jack. Okay, and I to
Speaker 1: this day I am intrigued with spring Hill Jack because
Speaker 1: I don't know what what to make of this thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me just sort of give you the basic story.
Speaker 1: Spring Hill springhilled like, you know, a guy who has
Speaker 1: springs on his hills, who can jump really, really far.
Speaker 1: He is an entity in English folklore of the Victorian era.
Speaker 1: The first claimed sighting of spring Hill Jack was an
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty seven and there are many theories about the
Speaker 1: identity of spring Hill Jack. H He inspired a lot
Speaker 1: of fiction, and let me try to describe for you
Speaker 1: in a nutshell. Spring Hill Jack was this humanoid being
Speaker 1: that kind of looked like the devil. He had horns
Speaker 1: and sort of a van Dyke beard, and he often
Speaker 1: wore a cape and he would jump out of the
Speaker 1: shadows at night and sort of terrorize people. He would
Speaker 1: just jump out of the shadows and smack a cop
Speaker 1: in the face and then just jump over fences and
Speaker 1: disappear like some kind of kangaroo. Uh. There were some
Speaker 1: occasions where he would jump out and sort of you know,
Speaker 1: touch women inappropriately, and this became such a problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were a whole special sections of law enforcement that
Speaker 1: spent years trying to figure out is this is this
Speaker 1: a being? Is this a man who's dressed up because
Speaker 1: he would do these superhuman things. For example, sometimes he
Speaker 1: would breathe fire in people's faces and scorch them. So
Speaker 1: you have this guy who could hop incredible distances and
Speaker 1: disappear in the shadows. It just comes out and does
Speaker 1: nasty means stuff blows fire in your face. I mean,
Speaker 1: they say. Everybody said he had a frightful and terrifying appearance.
Speaker 1: He had clawed hands and eyes that resembled red balls
Speaker 1: of fire. One report claimed that beneath a black coat cloak,
Speaker 1: he wore a helmet and a tight fitting white garment
Speaker 1: like an oil skin. But some of the people said
Speaker 1: that these flames that he would breathe out were sort
Speaker 1: of blue and white, and his claws seemed sort of metallic.
Speaker 1: Could this have been some kind of crazy guy who
Speaker 1: was some kind of like diabolical steampunk dude who created
Speaker 1: this costume, who was sort of like the evil Batman
Speaker 1: who just decided to go around and dormant people. It's
Speaker 1: an unsolved mystery. This went on for years, and nobody
Speaker 1: knows to this day what spring Hill Jack really was.
Speaker 1: And so look, let me just give you a little
Speaker 1: bit more information about uh, like some of the times
Speaker 1: where people encountered him. Uh. Jane Aslop was a woman
Speaker 1: who reported that on the night of February nineteenth of
Speaker 1: eight teen thirty eight, she answered the door of her
Speaker 1: father's house to a man claiming to be a police officer,
Speaker 1: who told her to bring a light, claiming, quote, we
Speaker 1: have caught spring Heeled Jack here in the lane. And
Speaker 1: she brought the person a candle and noticed that he
Speaker 1: wore a large cloak, and the moment she handed him
Speaker 1: the candle, however, he threw off the cloak. I guess
Speaker 1: what he quote presented a most hideous and frightful appearance
Speaker 1: end quote, vomiting blue and white flame from his mouth,
Speaker 1: while his eyes resembled red balls of fire. Ms All
Speaker 1: Slap also reported that he wore a large helmet. And
Speaker 1: she's the one who said that his clothing, which appeared
Speaker 1: to be very tight fitting, resembled white oil skin. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what that is, but I can imagine
Speaker 1: without saying a word, he caught hold of her and
Speaker 1: began tearing her gown with his claws, which she said,
Speaker 1: we're certainly of quote some metallic substance end quote. She
Speaker 1: screamed for help and managed to get away from him
Speaker 1: and ran toward the house. He caught her on the
Speaker 1: steps and tore her neck and arms with his claws.
Speaker 1: She was rescued by one of her sisters, after which
Speaker 1: her assailant fled. Okay, Um, there's another case here which
Speaker 1: is the case of It's called the Scales case. UM.
Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Lucy Skills and her sister were returning
Speaker 1: home after visiting their brother, a butcher, who lived in
Speaker 1: a respectable part of the area. UM. She told the
Speaker 1: police in her deposition that as she and her sister
Speaker 1: were passing along this alleyway called the Green Dragon Alley,
Speaker 1: they saw a sort of a person standing at an angle,
Speaker 1: and she was walking in front of her sister, and
Speaker 1: just as she came up to the person, who was
Speaker 1: wearing a large cloak, he quote spurred a quantity of
Speaker 1: blue flame in her face, which deprived her of sight
Speaker 1: and so alarmed her that she instantly dropped to the
Speaker 1: ground and was seized with violent fits, which continued for
Speaker 1: several hours. Um. Okay we're coming up on a break.
Speaker 1: We come back, I'll tell you a little bit more
Speaker 1: about like this guy, this thing, who or what was he?
Speaker 1: And perhaps some similar beings that we have to be
Speaker 1: concerned about historically speaking. I'm Joshua PE Warren. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast DAMN Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be
Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back to Strange Things on the I
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the
Speaker 1: show where the unusual becomes usual. And apparently in a
Speaker 1: town called Lincolnshire and the autumn of eighteen sevente spring
Speaker 1: Hill Jack was seen hopping around there and angry mob
Speaker 1: supposedly chased him and cornered him, and uh some residents
Speaker 1: even fired guns at him to no effect. And as usual,
Speaker 1: he was said to a vague use of his leaping
Speaker 1: abilities to lose the crowd and jump away into the night,
Speaker 1: disappearing once again. Nobody knows what to make of this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a fixture and popular popular culture
Speaker 1: for a long time. People in London would often equate
Speaker 1: his name with that of the Boogeyman the Devil. The
Speaker 1: character was written into a number of the Penny Dreadful
Speaker 1: stories during the latter half of the nineteenth century. And
Speaker 1: even though I mean, like some people said, this could
Speaker 1: have been this rich Irish nobleman, the Marcus of Waterford,
Speaker 1: who had a reputation for being mechanically gifted and like
Speaker 1: you know, and enjoyed pranking people and had a sinister side,
Speaker 1: a mischievous side. I don't know, We don't know. A
Speaker 1: lot of people think, you know, this could be an extraterrestrial,
Speaker 1: this could be a superhuman and entrydimensional being that this
Speaker 1: could have been some kind of encrypted authors like Lauren
Speaker 1: Coleman and Jerome Clark they list spring Hill Jack in
Speaker 1: a category they call fant of them attackers. Another example
Speaker 1: of this would be one called the Mad Gasser of
Speaker 1: Mattun Phantom attackers. They usually appear to be human, but
Speaker 1: maybe perceived as sort of prosaic criminals and display extraordinary abilities.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we need to make a movie
Speaker 1: about this. Huh. There you go. I gave somebody a
Speaker 1: good idea. But you know what, when you when you
Speaker 1: read about this kind of stuff. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: cases like one a little closer to where I grew up.
Speaker 1: And when I grew up in North Carolina and South Carolina,
Speaker 1: we had this being called the lizard man. First reported
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. The lizard man was this, you know,
Speaker 1: like seven foot tall reptilian. I think the fair maybe
Speaker 1: The first case was in nineteen eight the Sheriff's department
Speaker 1: investigated a report of a car damaged overnight torn up
Speaker 1: outside Bishopville, South Carolina. Uh, tooth marks and scratches and
Speaker 1: muddy footprints were left behind and uh. Then finally there
Speaker 1: was a seventeen year old local named Christopher Davis who
Speaker 1: said that lizard man appeared in front of his car
Speaker 1: one night as as a green against seven foot tall
Speaker 1: thing with three fingers, red eyes, skin like a lizard,
Speaker 1: snake like scales. A bunch of people saw a lizard man,
Speaker 1: and this became such a big topic in the local
Speaker 1: news that somebody put out, like I think it was
Speaker 1: a radio station, put out a one million dollar reward
Speaker 1: to anybody who could capture the lizard man alive. And
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that created a ruckus. I mean, talk
Speaker 1: about a bunch of drunk nudes looking for an excuse
Speaker 1: to go out into the swamps with their rifles. And
Speaker 1: you know, the thing is, this is still it's it's
Speaker 1: an unsolved street. But back, like, you know, over ten
Speaker 1: years ago, I was working on this television series. I
Speaker 1: was a cast member. It was called Paranormal Paparazzi was
Speaker 1: on the Travel Channel, and one of the stories that
Speaker 1: I covered was the lizard Man, and I figured that
Speaker 1: it was probably just some kind of a prankster, you know.
Speaker 1: But here I left with a different attitude. I went
Speaker 1: down there and I actually spent time and in the
Speaker 1: home of the man who was the sheriff at that time,
Speaker 1: Sheriff Trusdale, and he's convinced that it was a real
Speaker 1: creature and he had all kinds of evidence that he
Speaker 1: showed me and my producer, see Eric Scott, right there
Speaker 1: on camera, and then he offered to take us out
Speaker 1: into the swamp and show us where these incidents had happened.
Speaker 1: And guess who joined us the current sheriff. So what
Speaker 1: we had the current sheriff there of the county, as
Speaker 1: well as the former sheriff, uh taking, you know, chaperoning
Speaker 1: me and Eric all around and telling us stories and
Speaker 1: introducing us to witness this is it's wild as a
Speaker 1: matter as a matter of fact. If you want to
Speaker 1: see that segment for free, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is go to Joshua P. Warren dot com and there's
Speaker 1: a section called TV and Film Work where I give
Speaker 1: examples of some of the stuff that I've done on
Speaker 1: television over the years. And you'll see that report there.
Speaker 1: And I left there after talking to these witnesses and
Speaker 1: seeing these markings thinking like, I believe there was a
Speaker 1: real creature here involved in this whole mix. And now
Speaker 1: those kind of seem like maybe these are aliens or
Speaker 1: interdimensional weirdies of some kind. But this I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a little bit of a twist here again, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tie all this together. This is usually considered a ghost, okay,
Speaker 1: La la la la rona, la rona Okay. In Mexican folklore,
Speaker 1: Lalla Rona the weeping woman is a vengeful ghost who
Speaker 1: roams waterfront areas mourning her children, whom she drowned. And
Speaker 1: it says here that this story goes back a long way,
Speaker 1: but it's primarily I mean, like it's told throughout Mexico
Speaker 1: Central America, South America. There are a lot of different versions,
Speaker 1: but the typical version is a beautiful woman named Maria.
Speaker 1: She marries this rich, you know, rancher type guy. They
Speaker 1: have some kids. One day, Maria sees her husband with
Speaker 1: another woman and in a fit of blind rage, she
Speaker 1: drowns their kids in a river, which she immediately regrets,
Speaker 1: and then she you know, she is consumed by her guilt,
Speaker 1: and so she drowns herself as well, but is unable
Speaker 1: to enter the afterlife because she's forced to be in
Speaker 1: purgatory and roam the earth until she finds her children.
Speaker 1: And this is all throughout many of these again Latin cultures,
Speaker 1: as as a cautionary tale and also a way of like,
Speaker 1: you know, scaring kids. Nobody is sure exactly where the
Speaker 1: story of the weeping female um phantom came from, and
Speaker 1: you can read more about different versions of that. But
Speaker 1: here's why I wanted to bring this up. When I
Speaker 1: was in Puerto Rico, there was I I lived on
Speaker 1: the southwestern coast of Puerto Rico in a town called
Speaker 1: Bocron and it was right next to town called Lajas
Speaker 1: and La Hassa is where we had the lagoon and Carthagena,
Speaker 1: which was a the Ufo Lagoon. A lot of paranormal
Speaker 1: stuff was happening around La Haas, and when I was
Speaker 1: talking to people about weird stories, I would hear that
Speaker 1: La Lorona uh had inspired some very interesting activity in
Speaker 1: the community. And years past, I think, like in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, they said that there was this creek
Speaker 1: out there in La Haas where at night people would
Speaker 1: see La Lorona and and she's got the white gown on,
Speaker 1: and she's got the long hair, and she's weeping and
Speaker 1: shrieking and and I mean, this became such a big
Speaker 1: thing that like all the high school kids would go
Speaker 1: there and try to see if they could catch a
Speaker 1: glimpse of this. And they were, they and they were.
Speaker 1: They were seeing this figure and fleeing in a horror
Speaker 1: every night. And this went on for a long time
Speaker 1: until finally the truth was revealed. There was this one
Speaker 1: gas station that was nearby, and apparently I was told
Speaker 1: the guy who owned the gas station he was trying
Speaker 1: to drum up business, and so he would put on
Speaker 1: a white gown and a wig and he would go
Speaker 1: out there and creep down along the banks of this creek.
Speaker 1: At night, you know, and come out and scared a
Speaker 1: crap out of people all year long, because everybody who
Speaker 1: came out would stop at his gas station and you know,
Speaker 1: buy a snack or a drink or a fill up.
Speaker 1: So but he finally got busted. Okay, two reasons I'm
Speaker 1: I'm connecting all these things together. Number one is and
Speaker 1: each one of these cases there may actually be a
Speaker 1: real phenomenon. Okay, we don't know what the original spring
Speaker 1: Hill Jack was. We don't know what the original lizard
Speaker 1: Man was. We don't know the circumstances of the original
Speaker 1: La Lorona, but it became so popular that we can
Speaker 1: feel confident that it did inspire hoaxes to go out
Speaker 1: there and take advantage of that and to start, you know,
Speaker 1: pranking people and scaring people. And I know that they
Speaker 1: think they're doing that all and good fun. But the
Speaker 1: problem is people who take advantage of real encounters like
Speaker 1: this and go out and use them for pranks, they
Speaker 1: muddy the water for legitimate research. One of the main
Speaker 1: reasons so many paranormal phenomena are easily to dismiss is
Speaker 1: because you have one person who may go out and
Speaker 1: and try to do a copycat, fake thing, and it's
Speaker 1: possible that there was a real spring Hill Jack and
Speaker 1: then people went out and decided to pretend to be
Speaker 1: spring Hill Jack and and and abuse the fear that
Speaker 1: people had same thing with lizard Man, etcetera. Was this
Speaker 1: a guy in a suit? Eventually we just don't know.
Speaker 1: But just because there are a counterfeit dollar bills in
Speaker 1: the world, that doesn't mean there are no real ones.
Speaker 1: I was watching one of these shows the other day,
Speaker 1: but one of these American greed episodes, and they were
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who made a fortune selling fake
Speaker 1: vintage wine for millions and millions of dollars. People will
Speaker 1: do anything for a buck. So it becomes a big
Speaker 1: hall of mirrors when you when you start trying to
Speaker 1: sort through these things. But let's ask ourselves a bigger question.
Speaker 1: There is a new story, a new news story from
Speaker 1: NASA about a major project, a major endeavor, and they
Speaker 1: are going to invite whatever is out there, whatever aliens,
Speaker 1: whatever entry dimensionals, whatever being, They're going to invite them
Speaker 1: to come here to planet Earth using a level of
Speaker 1: technology that is well, it's it's greater than ever before.
Speaker 1: We have better satellite dishes, we have bigger scopes, more
Speaker 1: powerful everything. When we come back, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: more about that and say, you know, we have to
Speaker 1: think it like is this Is this a good idea?
Speaker 1: Is it? And then also I have some pretty wild
Speaker 1: emails I want to read to you. Um, do we
Speaker 1: want more spring Hill? Jack's more lizard Men. I'm Joshua P. Warren.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast and Parinormal Podcast Network. I'll be
Speaker 1: back after these important messages. Welcome back to the final
Speaker 1: segment of this edition of Strange Things Well the I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Joshua pe Warren. And remember how
Speaker 1: in the book and movie Jurassic Park, the big question was,
Speaker 1: you know, just because you can do something scientifically, does
Speaker 1: that mean you should. Well, the New York Post is
Speaker 1: saying headline NASA to launch naked pictures of humans to
Speaker 1: space and hope of quote attracting aliens end quote. And
Speaker 1: they're reporting on a story by Charlotte Edwards and the
Speaker 1: Sun and says NASA scientists planned to launch pictures of
Speaker 1: naked humans the depictions will also include an invitation to
Speaker 1: respond should an intelligent alien race find the space nudes. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: the hypothetical aliens should not be too shocked by the
Speaker 1: nudes because the pictures aren't that graphic, but a drawing
Speaker 1: of a naked man and a woman next to a
Speaker 1: depiction of DNA. The man and woman are waving and
Speaker 1: an attempt to look more inviting. It's part of a
Speaker 1: study called the Beacon in the Galaxy, and the main
Speaker 1: aim is to send a message to any alien civilizations
Speaker 1: out there. They're kind of following up on what the
Speaker 1: Arecibo Observatory did in Puerto Rico years ago, and so
Speaker 1: right now, um, they're sending up this radio signal. It's
Speaker 1: a binary code basically zeros and ones that draws a
Speaker 1: very very simple, basic picture with some very very basic
Speaker 1: colors from a satellite array in California and then the
Speaker 1: big old radio satellite the dish there in China, and uh,
Speaker 1: let's see, I'm not sure exactly women they're gonna do this, um,
Speaker 1: but they have some other like basic mathematical and physical
Speaker 1: concepts that they're encoding in this about gravity um. And
Speaker 1: it's it's not that different than what we did with
Speaker 1: with the Pioneer plaques that were sent on the nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two Pioneer ten in nineteen seventy three Pioneer eleven missions.
Speaker 1: But those were pictures like like plaques attached to the craft,
Speaker 1: and they're so encountering what you'd have to to be
Speaker 1: much much luckier to encounter one of those than to
Speaker 1: pick up this signal that we're sending out there right now. Now, Look,
Speaker 1: I have done my share of inviting aliens to come
Speaker 1: and visit us, so I am nobody to criticize a
Speaker 1: mission like this. But look, I realized there are people
Speaker 1: out there who say, I'm being naive. You don't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You don't want this, you don't want
Speaker 1: more lizard men, you don't want more spring hill jacks.
Speaker 1: We these are the types of beings that we're going
Speaker 1: to attract. I don't know. I guess I'm too curious,
Speaker 1: and the curiosity kills the kid. I just say, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do it, let's get this over with before I die.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what's out there. That's just me.
Speaker 1: So I'm okay with it, But I don't know, are
Speaker 1: you okay let's move von to some listener oriented stuff
Speaker 1: before we have to go. Uh. Let me remind you now,
Speaker 1: this might be the last time you hear about this
Speaker 1: if you live near Alexandria, Virginia. Jim Kalanna, the composer,
Speaker 1: is going to be debuting his composition called Joshua's Shop
Speaker 1: and Miracles. Excuse me, Joshua's Shop of Miracles and Curiosities.
Speaker 1: The world premier there will be on May twenty two,
Speaker 1: two at two pm, performed by the American Youth phil
Speaker 1: Harmonic at the Rachel M. Schlessinger Concert Hall and Arts Center.
Speaker 1: And if you want to get a ticket to that,
Speaker 1: it's uh, they're very affordable. I'm sure. Just go to
Speaker 1: Jim Kalanna dot com. J I M c O l
Speaker 1: O n n A. I am honored that he has
Speaker 1: composed a piece of music like this based upon my work.
Speaker 1: J I M C O l O N n A.
Speaker 1: And if you go there and listened to it, hey,
Speaker 1: give me your feedback. I'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 1: I wish I could be there, but I already have
Speaker 1: a trip planned and I'll be telling you more about
Speaker 1: that my my crazy travel schedule in the near future. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go to some emails. Here. We have one
Speaker 1: from Crystal in California, and she says in the subject lying,
Speaker 1: the Miraculous prayer Board strikes again. I had some unfortunate
Speaker 1: circumstances happened that knocked my finances way down. And then
Speaker 1: I had three bills do and there was not even
Speaker 1: enough money in the bank to do the minimum payments.
Speaker 1: And this was the first for me. My stress was
Speaker 1: for the roof many exclamation points. I scraped from everywhere
Speaker 1: and put everything in my bill paying account, and it
Speaker 1: was still short. I was so stressed, I was getting
Speaker 1: a migraine. And then I remember it. I haven't used
Speaker 1: the Miraculous prayer Board in a long time, so I
Speaker 1: got it right away and wished to have these bills
Speaker 1: paid and some money left over because I need some
Speaker 1: more food too. And the next day, still looking for
Speaker 1: a solution, I checked my bank account again and I
Speaker 1: was stunned. My Etsy shop had deposited I don't want
Speaker 1: to say how much, but blank amount of money. She says,
Speaker 1: My shops are not due to make any deposits. And
Speaker 1: I went to both of my shops and neither one
Speaker 1: says they made a deposits and yet there it is,
Speaker 1: and my bills and food are covered. L O L.
Speaker 1: I have never been so happy about a deposit in
Speaker 1: my life. The Miraculous Prayer Board is amazing. Many exclamation points. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear that, Crystal, And um, at
Speaker 1: some point, if you'd like, I can tell people how
Speaker 1: to visit your Etsy shop. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that without your explicit permission. But that's cool. If
Speaker 1: you are interested in experimenting like Crystal is doing, just
Speaker 1: go to Joshua pe Warren dot job and click the
Speaker 1: link to the Curiosity Shop and you can read about
Speaker 1: the Miraculous Prayer Board. It comes with a money back guarantee,
Speaker 1: but you know what, nobody ever asks for it. Okay,
Speaker 1: And here is an email I got from a man
Speaker 1: named Ronald, and he says, um, have you say? He goes,
Speaker 1: what is your opinion on the s l S cameras
Speaker 1: that some paranormal investigators use on TV? Are they truly
Speaker 1: mapping entities? And have you ever used one? I love
Speaker 1: your show, keep up the great content. Uh well, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for that, Ronald. And Okay, So for
Speaker 1: people who may not be familiar sometimes you're watching a
Speaker 1: ghost hunting show and they have a camera that UM
Speaker 1: has a piece of software. They're the kind of latches
Speaker 1: onto uh data points in our room and connects the
Speaker 1: dots and forms kind of stick figure that looks very humanoid.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty compelling to see that, UM, And I
Speaker 1: know that it was sort of invented for the video
Speaker 1: gaming industry so that you could move in your living
Speaker 1: room or whatever, and a little camera would be able
Speaker 1: to pick up your movements and interpret them and uh
Speaker 1: create an action for your avatar in the game. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're used in Hollywood for special effects. So anyway, UM,
Speaker 1: I wrote him back and I said, you know, I
Speaker 1: have toyed with these SLS cameras and that type of software.
Speaker 1: But here is the problem. The tech is created biased. Now,
Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird. You don't think of technology
Speaker 1: as being biased necessarily, But I went on to say,
Speaker 1: the software is predisposed to look for human shapes, and
Speaker 1: so it struggles to turn almost anything into a human shape. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a conundrum because the camera maybe picking up
Speaker 1: a real phantom, or it may simply be trying to
Speaker 1: find something human like. So and many ways. It just
Speaker 1: mimics the human brains, perceptions and biases. You know. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like electronic paradoia, so I said in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating. Before it to be credible, i'd want
Speaker 1: to see multiple SLS cameras, at least three capture the
Speaker 1: same figure from three different angles. That now, that would
Speaker 1: be interesting. That that that would be impressive. Uh. Anytime
Speaker 1: you're looking at something from one particular point of view,
Speaker 1: then it's much much easier to just h have you know,
Speaker 1: shadows and reflections and parptical illusions and effects that can create.
Speaker 1: You know, I get the connection of the dots, but yeah,
Speaker 1: different angles, that would be cool. Okay, we're almost out
Speaker 1: of time here, and it's pretty soon I'm going to
Speaker 1: be asking you to go on my social media and
Speaker 1: to send me questions about anything you want. It doesn't
Speaker 1: even have to be paranormal necessarily. Uh. And I am
Speaker 1: going to do oh at least a show where to
Speaker 1: where I just sit down and answer your questions. That's
Speaker 1: gonna go in any direction, I'm sure, so stay tuned
Speaker 1: for that. All right, it is now time for you
Speaker 1: to relax. If you can close your eyes kick back
Speaker 1: and take a deep breath. This tone, it just keeps
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