WEBVTT - 535 - Mute It For Sure

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite place, the Smoking Tree. We were like, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>take this class. We're going to audit this class, right, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Heard the tea shirt is like really chill, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>final is bowling. You go bowling.

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<v Speaker 2>The final is you have to tell the same story

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five times.

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<v Speaker 1>For ten years. What a gift? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Pick the wrong color foundation again, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to say shirt because you're sure, like that'll looks

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<v Speaker 1>blackt it?

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<v Speaker 2>I bet I look like kind of like a floating

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<v Speaker 2>head over this table.

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<v Speaker 1>You do look like a mime? Yeah, there she goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't make me put my biggy little hands up in

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<v Speaker 2>the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks, you can see those hands on Netflix listeners get

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<v Speaker 1>up to date. Yeah, you can also watch us and

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<v Speaker 1>be watchers. Put it on the background. So Netflix thinks

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<v Speaker 1>we're killing it. I don't even have to look at us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Put it on the background.

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<v Speaker 1>Mute it, mute it for sure. You know we should do.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start pushing for the way I give cookie reggae.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start having people put this on for their pets

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<v Speaker 1>when they leave them alone at the house. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's game the system. We fucking love animals so much.

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<v Speaker 1>If you put this on while you're gone, it'll make

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<v Speaker 1>your animals feel better.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for your animals, it's good for numbers your children,

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<v Speaker 2>want to leave your children at home?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're very soothing.

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<v Speaker 2>We only say the F word every once.

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<v Speaker 1>In a while. Basically babysitters at least at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. What are you up to? Nothing? But

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<v Speaker 1>when this comes out, I'll have watched and known what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the last episode of Euphoria. So I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>jealous of my future.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, because you're just hanging on by thread and.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to I just want to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hooked.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I stopped watching you for it, and I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know I love Martha Kelly the most. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped watching after it. There was like some party

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<v Speaker 2>that they all went to and things happened at it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the anxiety that I felt during that entire scene.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, Oh, I don't have to live

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<v Speaker 2>through this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not in high school anymore. It's very stressful, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very flawed and imperfect, but there's something about it and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally not there, like demographic as an old lady.

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<v Speaker 2>But but it's Zandaya, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's like she's just incredible. I mean everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>they're incredible. Yeah, shout out to Murderino fucking mod aptoo.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, she's right up on that thing. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's so good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, congratulations, you're doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>Iris. We love you too. Iris.

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<v Speaker 2>See hey we met you once. That's so funny. I

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<v Speaker 2>had actually a true crime update for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's okay, that's what this is. It is what

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<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but we were talking about Murdoch murders and that

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<v Speaker 2>update and basically saying to each other, we wish we

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<v Speaker 2>knew what things meant. And what's exciting about that is

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<v Speaker 2>because we have this podcast network. We have podcasts on

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<v Speaker 2>here with people who do know what things mean. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>most recently Brief Recess, hosted by Michael Foot and Melissa Malabranch,

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<v Speaker 2>and they went over all of this on their show,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, oh, I'll just go get the

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<v Speaker 2>information from them and tell you. So the source of

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<v Speaker 2>this is Michael Foot, Melissa Malabranch, and the Brief Recess podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>which if you haven't listened to, its sood. Michael is

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<v Speaker 2>currently an immigration attorney fighting for people being kidnapped by

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<v Speaker 2>ice in New York City. You can follow him on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks about all the different things he and he's

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<v Speaker 2>still li likes through all and like so entertaining. So farers,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, lawyers whatever, but no, he's like, he

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<v Speaker 2>has a joyous he's an amazing man. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>also started explaining things about this case where when I

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<v Speaker 2>heard him talk about it, it's that thing of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so much better when somebody who knows what they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about is breaking the news because they do things

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<v Speaker 2>like you know. He immediately said, this does not mean

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<v Speaker 2>that Alec Murdoch walks free.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so what does it mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So the South Carolina Supreme Court vacated his double murder conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>He's currently serving a sentence of forty years in prison

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<v Speaker 2>for embezzling money, many accounts of embezzling money.

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<v Speaker 1>But their appeals were made by.

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<v Speaker 2>Murdoch's lawyer, and it found that a county clerk improperly

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<v Speaker 2>influenced jurors, and so they basically said he didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>a fair trial for those murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The jury interference centered on comments that this county clerk

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<v Speaker 2>made to the jurors telling them to watch Alec Murdoch's

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<v Speaker 2>body language in court.

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<v Speaker 1>So kind of a clerk shouldn't be saying anything to

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<v Speaker 1>the jurors, right think, So okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean clearly not if what they do can vacate

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<v Speaker 2>a guilty verdict, that's insane. Of course, when they were

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<v Speaker 2>discussing it, Michael and Melissa talked about how baffling that

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<v Speaker 2>behavior was, and that, of course now other legitimate convictions

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<v Speaker 2>can be overturned because of it, or because of a

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<v Speaker 2>county clerk that's interfering. Right, So apparently there will be

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<v Speaker 2>a retrial, the stakes will be higher, prosecution could recommend

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty this time around, and Alec Murdoch is

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<v Speaker 2>suing the county clerk in federal court for this influence

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<v Speaker 2>personally issuing her. Yeah, I wonder what is her story?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this an overactive true crime fan that's like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what needs to be happening here. Or is

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<v Speaker 2>it a person that's just like, Hey, I've watched this

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<v Speaker 2>person in this courtroom for my whole career. Here's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing he does when he's lying.

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<v Speaker 1>Or he is just a nosy neighbor who's like likes

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<v Speaker 1>to chit chat.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. It doesn't sound curious now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, how could you have

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<v Speaker 2>something this important?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see Martha Kelly play her like that's

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<v Speaker 1>who I'm picturing Martha Kelly character.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well should we get into it?

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<v Speaker 2>The Highlights?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have a high Highlight now. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a highlight network. This isn't Highlights Magazine. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast network called Exactly Right Media.

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<v Speaker 2>We should do a podcast about Highlights Magazine now.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>I could read that thing forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineties magazines podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, I think it started in this fifties or sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't it. Okay, goofhis and Gallant is not a nineties creation.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way this is exactly right in media, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>We have podcasts on our network, like the one I

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<v Speaker 1>was just talking about exactly Here are some more highlights.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this week it's the three hundredth episode of I

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<v Speaker 2>Said No Gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>On this episode, Bridger does everything he can to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>fighting with Ellie Kemper. You know her from Jimme Schmidt

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<v Speaker 2>the Office. She does arrive with the gift, so a

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<v Speaker 2>battle ensues and then they talk about everything from sun

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<v Speaker 2>burns to the latest Hona Star's suspicious death.

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<v Speaker 1>I missed her in the office. I was so bummed.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like there that day, but we didn't cross paths.

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<v Speaker 2>So were you on the office.

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<v Speaker 1>In the office, our office?

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, how did I tell you Elvis?

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<v Speaker 1>I missed her in our I get that, didn't yep,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear what you're saying. I was in our exactly

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<v Speaker 1>right media offices. Not on the TV show The Office,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God. And then over on Dear Movies, I

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<v Speaker 1>Love You, Milli and Casey kickoff their month long celebration

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<v Speaker 1>of Video Nasties, a famous collection of VHS tapes that

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<v Speaker 1>were banned from the UK in the nineteen eighties and

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<v Speaker 1>they're calling it June nasty. Yeah, as in June and nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. First up is the nineteen sixty three horror

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<v Speaker 1>classic Blood Feast. You gotta love a band movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's so good. Also, Millie is such a what

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<v Speaker 2>do you call it?

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<v Speaker 1>Conness?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's it's more than that. She's an archivist.

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<v Speaker 2>She's an expert in movies. So she talks about it

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<v Speaker 2>from every perspective, which is like the fan perspective, the

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<v Speaker 2>production perspective, the time, the place, the history.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Also this week over on Hollywood Land, Jake covers Lucille

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<v Speaker 2>Ball's Red Scare scandal, from the news report that exposed

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<v Speaker 2>her former ties to a communist party to the government

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance that continued on her long after America had moved

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<v Speaker 2>on from McCarthyism.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when Desi said the only thing read about

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it's a solo week, and I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to first and only, first and only and alone?

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you leaving? Good luck?

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<v Speaker 2>Layers?

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<v Speaker 1>Goodbye? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I just put a weird balloon with my

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<v Speaker 2>head on it here, like what was my face on it?

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<v Speaker 1>The blacksweater? Okay, one's heavy. So it's Pride month, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And today I'm going to cover a story about a

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<v Speaker 1>horrific hate crime that would become one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>notorious in American history. And I do think it's surprising

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<v Speaker 1>to some people that you and I have only discussed

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<v Speaker 1>this in a minisod. It's only been told in a minisod.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think part of the reason we haven't covered

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<v Speaker 1>it is because, despite it being a hugely important story,

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<v Speaker 1>is because you and I were of age and young

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<v Speaker 1>women when it happened in the nineties, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>so horrific that even twenty more than twenty five years later,

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<v Speaker 1>it almost feels too awful to talk about. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a shameful part of our US history that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I just haven't been able to go there.

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<v Speaker 2>There are definitely cases that we have talked about where

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<v Speaker 2>the actual violence of the case is so extreme and

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<v Speaker 2>just repetitive and whatever that we're just like, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to handle this correctly, right, And especially after

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<v Speaker 2>years of like hearing back when we don't handle things correctly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think more and more we got more and more

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<v Speaker 2>careful with and we couldn't not handle something correctly right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've been really nervous about doing this. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to ali Elk and my researcher because this also

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<v Speaker 1>bet a lock to her as well. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important to do it. It's important to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this story is tragic, but it's also an event

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<v Speaker 1>that completely changed the conversation around gay people in America,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly young gay people. It led to hate crime legislation

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<v Speaker 1>being passed, and it led to communities around the country

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<v Speaker 1>realizing they must become safe places for their LGBTQ young

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<v Speaker 1>people to live their lives truthfully and without fear. But

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's been close to thirty years, this is

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<v Speaker 1>still an issue obviously that LGBTQIA plus people face daily,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's important for us to cover the story, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the story of Matthew Shepherd. Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 1>main sources for the story is a nineteen and nine

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<v Speaker 1>article from Vanity Fair by Melanie Thurnstrom, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Shepherd dot org and a BBC article called Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Shepherd The Murder That Changed America by Jude Sharon, and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the sources can be found in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. So it's the evening of October seventh, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, and we are just outside of Laramie, Wyoming.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just east of the city. Laramie is home to

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Wyoming, and like most college towns, it's

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<v Speaker 1>considered to be pretty liberal for what is not a

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<v Speaker 1>liberal state. A Mountain biker and University of Washington freshman

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<v Speaker 1>named Aaron has just fallen off his bike just riding

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<v Speaker 1>on some paths when he notices leaning up against a

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<v Speaker 1>wooden fence. What he thinks at first is a scarecrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron then realizes, to his horror that he is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a person who has been beaten nearly to death.

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<v Speaker 1>He runs to a nearby residence to use the phone

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<v Speaker 1>to call police. The victim is male, about five foot

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<v Speaker 1>to and really slight, so at first, responding officers think

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a young teenager. He is unrecognizable and his

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<v Speaker 1>face is covered in blood except for the places where

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<v Speaker 1>the tears have made tracks down his face, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just a heart benching detail, But he is alive. The

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<v Speaker 1>boys rushed to the nearest hospital, where coincidentally, two other

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<v Speaker 1>young men from town are being treated from injuries that

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<v Speaker 1>they sustained in a street fight the night before, and

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<v Speaker 1>so police are aware of that, and these men had

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<v Speaker 1>been driving a truck in which police had found blood,

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, and a wallet with an ID belonging to

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty one year old named Matthew Shepherd. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't take long for the police to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>this is the identity of the young man who is

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<v Speaker 1>now in the same hospital, very tenuously holding on to life,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the boys who were taken in the night

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<v Speaker 1>before are part of this. So let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about Matthew Shepherd. He's born on December first,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, to Judy and Dennis Shepherd in Casper, Wyoming.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a friendly child, though he is bullied by

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<v Speaker 1>his peers, sometimes for being small and relatively unathletic, and

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<v Speaker 1>also because as he gets older, he doesn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>great links to hide the fact that he's gay. From

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<v Speaker 1>an early age, he's fascinated by politics. His mom's hairdresser

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<v Speaker 1>recounts a story about Matthew when he's seven or eight

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<v Speaker 1>years old, ahead of a local election, saying, quote, he

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<v Speaker 1>came into our shop and told us all how to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>and he knew he knew the issues. We all thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to grow up to be the president.

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<v Speaker 1>When Matthew is a teenager, his father, who works for

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<v Speaker 1>the oil industry, takes a job in Saudi Arabia. Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the American School in Switzerland. In high school,

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<v Speaker 1>he's elected by his peers to be a peer counselor,

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<v Speaker 1>and by all accounts, he's easy to talk to and

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<v Speaker 1>makes friends easily. When Matthew is a senior on a

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<v Speaker 1>school trip in Morocco, he is violently sexually assaulted by

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<v Speaker 1>a group of locals. His mother, Judy, says that she

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<v Speaker 1>felt that his trauma made him more prone to further trauma,

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<v Speaker 1>and people could sense his own ability. After Matthew graduates

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<v Speaker 1>high school, he officially comes out to his family, who

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<v Speaker 1>are supportive, especially his mother, who's very close to When

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<v Speaker 1>he's twenty one, he enrolls at the University of Wyoming

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<v Speaker 1>and Laramie, majoring in political science with a minor in languages.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems like he starts to thrive in the

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<v Speaker 1>college setting. And he's actually chosen as a student representative

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<v Speaker 1>for the Wyoming Environmental Council, and it's his dream to

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<v Speaker 1>work as a diplomat for the Department of State. And

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<v Speaker 1>so let's look at a picture of him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I know it's so well, it's just steered

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<v Speaker 1>into our memories. But here's the picture of him, his

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<v Speaker 1>braces and just like such a sweet looking kiss. So

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<v Speaker 1>back to the night of October sixth, the night of

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<v Speaker 1>the attack, Matthew had gone to a meeting of the

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<v Speaker 1>college's LGBT Association where he helps plan events for the

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming Gay Awareness Week, which is set to begin the

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<v Speaker 1>following Monday. And after the meeting, Matthew says he plans

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<v Speaker 1>to go to a bar called The Fireside, but no

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<v Speaker 1>one else seems up for it, so he goes a

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<v Speaker 1>and arrives around ten pm, has a few drinks at

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<v Speaker 1>the bar, and it seems like he's also hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with two regulars named Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson. Both

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<v Speaker 1>are around Matthew's age, but they are not students at

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<v Speaker 1>the university. They're actually locals known to be currently having

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<v Speaker 1>issues with meth addiction and are possibly dealing meth. And

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<v Speaker 1>they're known to frequently get in fights and get in trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're more local troublemakers. The detail that gets debated

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<v Speaker 1>is whether or not Matthew had also been a user

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<v Speaker 1>of math or possibly involved in the math trade, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether he knew Aaron and Russell prior to this evening,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's this whole controversial conversation around it, But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's important to the story. And also we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need him to be a perfect victim or have

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<v Speaker 1>this in any way means he deserved something like this

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to him, So I don't even want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about the Well also there I do think there is,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is you see it online all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is this kind of need that some people

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<v Speaker 2>have to be like I don't have to empathize with

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<v Speaker 2>this because and then they find their reason. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>very sad kind of human denial of like I can't

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<v Speaker 2>handle this or I can't be made to think more

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<v Speaker 2>than one way about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Topic, right, right, one hundred percent. But the story that

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<v Speaker 1>most people, including the police and Matthew's family, believes that

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew did not have any significant prior interactions with Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>and Russell, and whether or not he had a drug problem,

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<v Speaker 1>which is unclear, is pretty immaterial to the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. So witnesses at the bar see the three

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<v Speaker 1>men leave together around midnight, and at one thirty in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, according to Aaron's girlfriend, Aaron returns home covered

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<v Speaker 1>in blood, saying he has done something horrible, that he

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<v Speaker 1>may have killed someone. Aaron says that he and Russell

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<v Speaker 1>had made plans to pose as being gay so that

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<v Speaker 1>they could rob Matthew and that was the whole point,

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<v Speaker 1>and they drove him to a remote area. But even

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<v Speaker 1>though Matthew gave them his wallet, which by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>only had twenty dollars in it, it's just so fucking senseless.

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<v Speaker 1>They tied him to the fence, beat him brutally, and

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly with the handgun and took his shoes so he

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<v Speaker 1>would not be able to walk and get help. And

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<v Speaker 1>so then Aaron and Russell head towards Matthew's home with

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like plans to rob it because they had

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's key and had taken it from him, but they

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<v Speaker 1>get sidetracked in that street fight on the way, and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the street fight was real. It's real. On the way,

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<v Speaker 1>they get in a street fight, which seems like they

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<v Speaker 1>were the.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably pretty safe to say that Matthew

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<v Speaker 2>Shepard was not like friends or associates with these people exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right. It's just people wanting to not have to

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<v Speaker 1>care as much about other people. So Russell is caught

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<v Speaker 1>and taken to the hospital. Aaron escapes and runs off

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<v Speaker 1>and goes home tells his girlfriend what happened, but then

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to the hospital where the police catch up

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<v Speaker 1>with him and they find that evidence in his truck.

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<v Speaker 1>So in his official confession to the police, Aaron says

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<v Speaker 1>the motive was robbery and that they had tried to

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<v Speaker 1>kill Matthew because they believed he could identify them, but

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend says that the fact that Matthew was gay.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a key reason they wanted to hurt him.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is like something that's just debated since then

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<v Speaker 1>and to this day. And he doesn't admit it on

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<v Speaker 1>the official record at the time, but later in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, Aaron tells a journalist quote the night

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<v Speaker 1>I did it, I did have hatred for homosexuals end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's from the actual perpetrator who says that. So

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<v Speaker 1>what's the debate?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry are people saying? The debate is it just was

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<v Speaker 2>that they were trying to rob him and it was not.

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<v Speaker 1>Associated with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that then they would have just robbed him, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so frustrating when you hear all of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know where it's just like, sure, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to entertain every possibility in the world so that there

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<v Speaker 2>is no actual accountability, then you can introduce ideas like

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<v Speaker 2>that all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you're bullshit. If you're the one introducing

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<v Speaker 1>these reasons why you shouldn't have to feel bad for

0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.479
<v Speaker 1>someone who was murdered, then you need to look at

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<v Speaker 1>your own self. It's like it's about you. It's fully

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<v Speaker 1>about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, there's a thing called projection and you need to

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<v Speaker 2>look it up at the library.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So in the background of all of this, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this, there is already a lot of big

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<v Speaker 1>conversations going on in the country about the visibility of

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<v Speaker 1>gay people. I think that the nineties is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>when it started to be accepted in mainstream culture a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more. There was like a tipping point when

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<v Speaker 1>gay people and gay stories are being fully integrated into

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream culture and into the media. In nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson Cruz is the first openly gay actor playing an

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<v Speaker 1>openly gay character in My So called Life, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four. Of course, Ellen Degenerous in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven comes out both as her character on the huge

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<v Speaker 1>sitcom Ellen and in real life on the cover of

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<v Speaker 1>Time magazine. So if you're not old enough to remember it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good indication of what the culture was like.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a big deal that someone was coming

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<v Speaker 1>out both in show in person, that it was in

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of a magazine and front page news, And

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<v Speaker 1>there were plenty of people who were outraged and advertisers

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<v Speaker 1>who pulled out from that episode of Ellen because it

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<v Speaker 1>was so different.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know, and it's beautiful how different it is now.

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<v Speaker 2>But to think about that time is so bizarre. Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>like when you started talking about like there was representation

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit here and there, it's like, right, you

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<v Speaker 2>get like one funny, over the top pay guy who

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<v Speaker 2>had to be mocked the whole time. Like the representation

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 2>was so skewed and weird and bigoted in a weird way.

0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Although Wilson Cruz really that was a watershed moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I was a teenager at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>like we use the we called people gay as a insult.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like, oh yeah, but I feel like people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>The F word was used all the time, just casually.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm from a really conservative town and the only

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<v Speaker 1>like out gay people were like the goths, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was already them being like totally ostracized was the only

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<v Speaker 1>way you could come out. So yeah, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>some cousins and friends who were, but it was not

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was no. Everybody had to go find their

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<v Speaker 2>niche to go be in and be out of the mainstream,

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<v Speaker 2>right because you weren't going to be a quarterback and

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't going to be the head cheerleader. So go

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<v Speaker 2>find the other people who are outcasts. And I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the theater department.

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<v Speaker 1>So slurs were regularly and casually used in society and

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<v Speaker 1>in the media. The AIDS crisis stigmatized gay people as

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<v Speaker 1>it was thought of as a gay quote gay disease.

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<v Speaker 1>The quote gay panic defense was a real fucking legal

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.919
<v Speaker 1>strategy that was frequently used, and it would allow the

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrators to claim temporary insanity or extreme fright upon discovering

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<v Speaker 1>a person's sexual orientation, which often resulted in lenient sentences

0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 1>or acquittals for assaulting or murdering LGBT plus individuals. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you say, yes, I violently murdered someone because they

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<v Speaker 1>put their hand on my leg and I realized they

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<v Speaker 1>were gay and hitting on me and I went crazy,

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.159
<v Speaker 1>that was a legitimate defense that worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now we know that actually that's just admission

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<v Speaker 2>that you probably harbor a lot of feelings that you're

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<v Speaker 2>conflicted and worried about. So that's actually what was going

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<v Speaker 2>on there. I mean, like there has been progress culturally

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of just people's understanding, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>because more and more people have the ability, Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many more people that are able to have a

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<v Speaker 2>voice these days.

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<v Speaker 1>And represent Yeah. Yeah, so obviously we're not saying everything

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<v Speaker 1>is great right now and that doesn't need so much

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.360
<v Speaker 1>more work. But from where we're coming from in the nineties,

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>in this era, like it was just fucking disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, here are point because women are constantly explaining why

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but we're not covering this and we're not but we

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.679
<v Speaker 2>do mean this in it. It's just like you know

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<v Speaker 2>what we mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well not the people who don't want to the

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>people that we talk to to go to the library

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.199
<v Speaker 1>and look up this. Most people don't want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, they're not here for this though those people

0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.360
<v Speaker 2>are always they're just online.

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.919
<v Speaker 1>This is your show. There's so many true crime shows.

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just int yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Go go find Have you been in the comments recently?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this what's happening for me?

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.880
<v Speaker 1>No, it has stuck with me. Yes. So that's what's

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 1>going on. In the background. With the news of Matthew

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 1>Shepherd's horrific injuries comes out. Matthew was transferred to a

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 1>more resourced hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado. His parents have

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to fly back from Saudi Arabia. I mean, imagine them

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 1>on that flight home, how fucking terrified they were. The

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 1>sheriff O'Malley. He says that Matthew was quote struck in

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the head and face between nineteen and twenty one times

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 1>with the butt of a very large Smith and Wesson revolver.

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<v Speaker 1>The only time I've ever seen those dramatic of injuries

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>were in high speed traffic crashes, you know, where there

0:23:55.080 --> 0:24:00.119
<v Speaker 1>was just extremely violent compression fractures to the skull end quote.

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, his parents only recognized him when they

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 1>come into the hospital room at first because they saw

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 1>his braces, like he just was unrecognizable. Ultimately, Matthew Shepherd

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.479
<v Speaker 1>had been tied to a split rail fence, beaten with

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the butt of a gun, and left to die in

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the cold of the night until he was found almost

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>eighteen hours later, and only because that kid fell off

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.199
<v Speaker 1>of his bike while his parents are at Matthew's bedside.

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>The story gets bigger and bigger. It's on the cover

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of Time. President Bill Clinton calls them Elton, John Madonna,

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Barbara streisand they are all getting involved, and the hospital

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:37.919
<v Speaker 1>is so overwhelmed by calls to check on his condition

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:41.679
<v Speaker 1>that it begins posting updates on its nascent website in

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight, which wasn't really a thing back then.

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.719
<v Speaker 1>So the Shepherds and the nation are devastated when Matthew

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 1>succumbs to his injuries on October twelfth, nineteen ninety eight,

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and just hoeveryone knows how hateful it all was. At

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 1>his funeral service in the family's hometown of Casper, Wyoming

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>a week later, is picketed by anti gay preacher Reverend

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church, along with his followers,

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>including children. They held placards with homophobic slurs and shouted

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to the mourners that the dead student was burning in hell.

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, this is so horrific. Dennis Shepherd, Matthew's

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 1>father was made to wear a bulletproof vest to his

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>son's funeral, and the church had been checked by bomb

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>sniffing dogs, and there were swat teams at the front

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and back of the building and police snipers on rooftops.

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>For the funeral A victim of this horrible attack, The

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>story immediately sparks national outrage.

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Writer Andrew Sullivan says, quote, I think a lot of

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>gay people when they first heard of that horrifying event,

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>felt sort of punched in the stomach. I mean it

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of encapsulated all our fears of being victimized. End quote.

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>So Aaron and Russell are both charged with first degree murder, kidnapping,

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and robbery, and their girlfriends are charged as accessories since

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>both tried to dis bows of the clothes Russell had

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.439
<v Speaker 1>been wearing. Russell pleads guilty and Aaron goes to trial

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>and is found guilty and each are given two life sentences.

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>And the story there is a lot bigger. I definitely

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>think people should go look it up. So in the

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 1>wake of Matthew's death, his parents form the Matthew Shepherd Foundation,

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>which has online and offline resources for creating safe schools

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>and communities. They also lobby for years for federal hate

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 1>crime legislation to be expanded to include crimes based on

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 1>sexuality and gender identity. This is a long story, and

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a documentary called The Matthew Shepherd Story and American

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Hate Crime, but essentially, the Matthew Shepherd and James Bird

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Junior Hate Crimes Prevention Act finally passes and is signed

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 1>by President Barack Obama in October of two thousand and nine.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Eleven years after Matthew's death. And just note James Beard

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>is a black man who was murdered by white supremacists

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in Texas in nineteen ninety eight. Matthew's parents hold on

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>to his ashes for twenty years because they're so afraid

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.959
<v Speaker 1>that if they inter him in a public place, his

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>grave will be vandalized. They don't want to see that happen, obviously.

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.360
<v Speaker 1>And then in twenty eighteen, the Right Reverend Mary An

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Buddy invites the Shepherd family to inter Matthew in the

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>National Cathedral. So on October twenty sixth, twenty eighteen, Matthew

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>is laid to rest in the National Cathedral's tomb, alongside

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the likes of former President Woodrow Wilson and Helen Keller.

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, yeah, I didn't know that.

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And not even Harvey Milk, you know, another prominent gay

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>man who was murdered was buried there.

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was so long before, whereas like.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 1>Tyler, Yeah, twenty eighteen, it took to allow it. During

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 1>the ceremony, the Episcopal Church's first openly gay bishop, the

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Right Reverend Jean Robinson, says, quote gently, rest in this place.

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>You are safe now, Matthew. Welcome home, so a collection

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of personal effects were donated by his family in twenty

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>eighteen for display at the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>American History in the US Capital, which I didn't know

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 1>about his school work, Some of his theater scripts and

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>items from his everyday life as a reminder that he

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>was a normal American boy, were donated by his family,

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 1>as well as condolence cards and correspondents that the Shepherd's

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>received following his death, which must be so powerful. Judy Shepherd,

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>his mother, who frequently speaks out against Trump administration policies

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that have rolled back or undermined the protection she's fought

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>for in the wake of her son's death, said about

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the Smithsonian donation quote, for twenty years, we have tried

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to share the meaning of our son's life, as well

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>as his dreams for a kinder, more accepting, and loving world.

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>It is deeply comforting to know the Smithsonian will preserve

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>his story and meaning for future generations. We cannot think

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>of a better way to honor Matt's life and legacy.

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>It ends with this quote. The life and death of

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Matthew Shepherd changed a way we talk about and deal

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>with hate in America. Since his death, Matt's legacy has

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>challenge and inspired millions of individuals to erase hate in

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>all its forms. Although Matt's life was short, his story

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>continues to have great impact on young and old alike.

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>His legacy lives on in thousands of people who actively

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:22.959
<v Speaker 1>fight to replace hate with understanding, compassion, and acceptance. And

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>that is the story of the life, death, and legacy

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of Matthew Shepherd.

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Wow, the worst possible story, I know, but with real

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 2>life impact.

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean when you first were talking about it and

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 2>then you said something about his mother, I immediately was like,

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Judy Shepherd, his parents have been working for so long

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to make change and to make sure that this isn't

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 2>something that is I don't know, there's something about it that, like,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>as you tell it in retrospect, it feels like there

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>was a conscious decision culturally by a majority of people.

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Of course, never everyone, and certainly there's always going to

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>be people with serious issues and serious problems of their

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>own that are going to stand in the way of this.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>But it was almost like people going, how can we

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 2>be letting things like this happen and be okay with it?

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It was shameful as a country that we allowed this

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to happen. It was nineteen ninety eight. We think we're

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>so you know, past all of that, yeah, I mean,

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>or like we're yeah, we're evolved, and we're so evolved,

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and then this horrific thing happens and everyone is like,

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>this cannot be swept under the rug. We have to

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>be held accountable, not just the murderers, but us as

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a society who allows us to happen and thinks this

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>is kind of.

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Normal, and then things get turned into like, oh, it's pc,

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 2>it's woe right, you're being that. It's like, no, no, no,

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>these are the moments where the reality punctures through of

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.959
<v Speaker 2>how people are really being treated that are not white

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 2>men with money, yeah, and so any story of things

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>happening black people, and suddenly it's like, uh, don't be political,

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 2>don't be woke, don't be this and it's like no, no, no,

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>these are things you need to know about the facts

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 2>of people's real lives.

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>And then there's so many people who are like no,

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that actually, things like this happen to us all the.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Time constantly, and you ignore it and don't listen in

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>these rationales and then it's like something puncturing through that

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>way because it's like it's Wyoming, it's out in the

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>middle of nowhere, and it's just like there's so many

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>people at risk, Yeah, because they live in the wrong place, right,

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.959
<v Speaker 2>they're surrounded by the wrong people as opposed to that

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>they're wrong.

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Right. It does seem like lar at me. Wyoming has tried.

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Really hard to but can you imagine your name has

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>become synonymous with like gay murder.

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it seems like they've tried to change their

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>ways and show that they're not, you know, like that,

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully we get some emails from hometowns of people

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>from there. Yeah, there are a lot of emails of

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>people being like, I'm from here, and we just want

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you to know that it's not like that anymore. And

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>we've changed and we accept it.

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>And people have tried to memorialize it and really learn

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>from it. And I don't know, it's so tough. It's

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>just so big, that's what it is. I think that

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>discussion is just like you can't put a silver lining

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>on a thing that continues.

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>To just be this fight.

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>This is just one marginalized group, This is just one

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>of the many in this country that this happens too constantly.

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. I do think it is this funny thing

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of like us older people, like when I see a

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>gay couple or have you know my friends who are gay,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm just so happy for them because we think about

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>how did it used to be, how it used to be,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>and how oh dom.

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And I watch Tricksay and Katia videos and them laughing

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>my ass off, and they're like doing live shows with

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>gigantic audiences and stuff, and I'm like, this is the

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 2>dream of me and my high school friends in the

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 2>in the theater department, all the nerds and weirdos where

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>it was like but but all these nerds and weirdos

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>are the funniest and most talented in the best ones,

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and like we're the ones that should have a say,

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, hopefully we're clawing toward a world. The

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>worst things get the more people know and understand how

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>much they have to fight and fight for each other

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>in whatever way you are marginalized or you are separate

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>or different. It's just like, then that's how you have

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>to bring the fight, yeah for everybody else?

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, should we end it by doing a donation to

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the Matthew Shepherd Foundation.

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes we should.

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's Matthew Shepherd dot org and we're gonna donate

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand.

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Dollars and you go donate whatever you can. If you

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 2>don't have money, you can volunteer, you can get involved. Well,

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 2>great job, and you're right, it's an important story to

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>tell and a good way to kick off Pride months.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Right, totally. I wore my Pride dress on purpose.

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I didn't notice those little rainbows.

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it still fit me.

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I know that is the most eighties dress of all time.

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I know, isn't it so good? Look at my tiny

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>little heart necklace.

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh you have so many things.

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I have so many things. Well, thank you guys for listening.

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Email us your memories about this time, if you need

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>to get it off your chest, or how it affected you.

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure we have listeners that it affected

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>them personally as well. Yes, so email us at gmail

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>for sure, at gmail at my favorite murder a jail.

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Just just call Gmail and tell them you need to

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>send au semessage. That's right, Yes, write in anything you

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<v Speaker 2>think you'd like us to know. Yeah, and stay sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't get murdered. Go Bye, Elvis, Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>a cookie?

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<v Speaker 1>Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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<v Speaker 1>is Tessa Hughes.

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<v Speaker 2>Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was mixed by Leona Squalocci.

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<v Speaker 2>Our researchers are Mayor McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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