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Speaker 2: Swedish Special Forces Operations operator okay with a great beard.

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Speaker 2: His name is Max Luker, and I want to welcome

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Speaker 3: Welcome Max, Thank you, rad I'm happy to be here,

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Speaker 3: and thank you for the compliments on the beard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm not anywhere in there near your league, but I'm

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Speaker 3: working on it.

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Speaker 2: Well. If anybody may compliment you, allow it to be me, sir.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're so welcome. Well, what's up, my Natal, How are

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Speaker 3: I am doing well. It's been an interesting few years

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Speaker 2: So I ask a lot of my guests this simple question.

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Speaker 2: You know, in Sweden, in America, in Israel, wherever they're

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Speaker 3: I mean in Sweden we have compulsion military service, so

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Speaker 2: So are you an airborne ranger in the Swedish military?

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Speaker 2: Skis, snowshoes, yeah, snowboards, no kid sled snowmobiles. You're the

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Speaker 3: The weird thing is that it looks like it's from

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Speaker 3: the Second World to worst because the sort of same.

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Speaker 3: You have minimal equipment. There are no like hardcore fancy

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Speaker 3: So it's just basic equipment.

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Speaker 2: Right, just pretty much what I'm thinking in my mind

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Speaker 2: probably wided out in your white out just over your gear,

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Speaker 2: which I have. You want me to show you what

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Speaker 2: show you see. I have these alp and flash okay,

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Speaker 2: But what I love the most, what I love the

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Speaker 2: let me let me just in Sweden, you guys believe

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Speaker 2: Swedish capouflage. You guys now have a newer version though.

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Speaker 2: I love it like I like the gear. That's why

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Speaker 2: All the buckles and the suspenders, and I like that.

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Speaker 2: It's like multi purpose, multi fit. Like I'm six foot

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Speaker 2: this cloud show. Yeah, exactly right. Right, So can I

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Speaker 3: I'm one hundred and ninety centimeters? What is that? Like

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Speaker 3: it's fairly normal. But I mean basic training as an

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Speaker 3: There is no fans iness. And you know, you have

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Speaker 3: we're going to focus on here for like six months

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Speaker 3: changing your socks, changing your underwear, and you know, survive.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're going to do. And that is basically

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Speaker 2: Shivering. You're shivering, You're shivering, You're so cold, bro. But

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Speaker 2: you know I read in my dad. My dad was

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Speaker 2: can shiver. Just stay shivering. You can stay warm, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when it stops, you're done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Because once you're tired and you stop shivering.

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Speaker 2: You know, did you have any crazy like what the

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Speaker 3: I mean it started even the first day when we

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Speaker 3: you know, when you come to the regiment, you have registration,

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Speaker 3: you get your gear, and I'm like, what is going on?

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Speaker 3: I mean, why why am I doing this? This is

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Speaker 3: some kind of self punishment for something I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's just weird. But I mean you grow into it.

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Speaker 3: I mean you probably never grow fully into it, but

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Speaker 3: you grow into it to an extent. I mean you

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Speaker 3: have the guys who love it, and usually that's the

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Speaker 3: the cold doing you know, being on skis and everything

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Speaker 3: like that, that's basic stuff for them. They don't mind

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Speaker 3: in the battle. They got that down right. But then

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Speaker 3: I'm a city kid. I can't. I came from the capitol, Stockholm.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was recently kind of you know, I've

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Speaker 3: that outdoor set things. But it's a different because it

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Speaker 3: hits it different. You need to start living in a

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Speaker 3: different way. But I think you get into it to

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Speaker 2: You know. I watched this YouTuber and he is a survivalist.

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Speaker 2: His name is like the Outdoor Boys. You may have

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about DC Boys, Metallica and hold On, hold On.

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Speaker 2: Number seven eighty eight is my experience in Swedish special

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Speaker 2: So it's called so it's Max Louker, our guest is

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Speaker 2: to not be embarrassed. You've just got to own whatever

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Speaker 2: check this out, Max. There's there's crazy ways people write things. Right.

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Speaker 3: That is exactly what it is. It depends if you

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Speaker 2: I can, I'll take the money. Yeah. So you got

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Speaker 2: Do you have any of that type of tattoo on here?

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Speaker 2: Is that all just straight up? Like, get me now?

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Speaker 3: I mean I like to sail, you know that. That

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, so much more fun. It's something with

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00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 3: the vibe. It's like a cruise ship kind of thing.

433
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that might be my imagination. There's probably more

434
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 3: to the Navy than yes.

435
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, everybody everybody listening to us talk right now

436
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: about the Navy and a cruise and like, you know,

437
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 2: swimming off the boat is probably laughing at us, like,

438
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: you guys, we should have been in the army.

439
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Probably. It's always like that.

440
00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 2: It's always like a friend of mine, he's an eight

441
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 2: and pilot the you know, the aircraft with the thirty

442
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: millimeters gatling gun right a ten. He comes into my

443
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: shop here out outside Hill Air Force Base in Utah,

444
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, I always wonder how the

445
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: guys on the ground are I always wonder what it's

446
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: like if I'm helping them or if he's like, he's

447
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: so close to that infantry guy, because even though he's

448
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: air Force and I told Clay, I said, Clay, you

449
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: know the guy down below just says, damn, I wish

450
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: I was in that plane. Okay, because straighten in bro Okay,

451
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: But that thirty second gun run is neither makes the

452
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: difference for those guys on the ground, right, he may

453
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 2: just think I'm only over him for like thirty forty seconds,

454
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 2: you know.

455
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, just hear that sound, even if it's in

456
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: the distance, you know that you have somebody looking out

457
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 3: for you. You know, when you hear that those fast movers

458
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: coming in and then you hear that gun start working,

459
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 3: I mean, then you know then things are going to

460
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: be more or less. Okay.

461
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: So someone who went through the Arctic training and became

462
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: an Arctic ranger in the Swedish Army, what was your

463
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: job within the Arctic unit? Like, for example, you know

464
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: green beret, my dad was a communications guy, handed all

465
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: the radios, and another buddy was a weapons sergeant. You know,

466
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: the other guy was the commander of the team. Where

467
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 2: did you fit into the team element with your skill set.

468
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 3: I mean in the beginning or starting off, I was

469
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 3: a squad leader. That is what that my basic military

470
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: training or service I did as a squad leader. So

471
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: and then it's kind of a long story, but I'm

472
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: going to keep it short because then there are really

473
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: no options for you to kind of work forward. At

474
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 3: that time, we didn't have any options to work as

475
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 3: a soldier or a sergeant or anything like that. In

476
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 3: the Swedish Army. It was either you know, you were

477
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 3: done or you were off the officers school. You became

478
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: an officer. That was your choices. But I came in

479
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: this kind of glitch time when they needed to do

480
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 3: something else. They were starting to exploring the options of

481
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: having you know, full time contracted personnel and all of that.

482
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 3: And that's when I joined what they referred to back

483
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: then as the Special Purpose Unit because it was some

484
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: kind of hybrid unit, so it was basically a special

485
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: forces selection. And then they took, you know, a handful

486
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: of good men has put them together. So then after

487
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: that I worked as a communications specialist for quite some time,

488
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: and then I went into intelligence more and more gradually

489
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: slided over to the dark side. So but that is yeah,

490
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a weird it's a weird profession.

491
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're so the communications guy.

492
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 2: Huh.

493
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: So you were for a long time. For a long

494
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 3: time was communication guy. And I think I enjoyed that.

495
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: I was never a tech guy, but because you kind

496
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: of carried the lifeline of the squad with you and

497
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: it's it's important, and I mean, or everything is important,

498
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: but it's it's a meaningful job. And it's also kind

499
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: of challenging. And especially when you do a lot of

500
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 3: a lot of shortwave and satellite communications, you need to

501
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: be on top of things and you need to have

502
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: the ability to not just you know, take what they

503
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: give you as instructions, but you have to be able

504
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 3: to self learn and be curious what's happening in you know,

505
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: in the communications community, tips and tricks, all of that.

506
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 3: So it's it's a bit different. It's and I know,

507
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: I mean every every kind of profession has that, Like

508
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: if you're medic you also need to stay on top

509
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: new things happening, messoves, techniques, all of that.

510
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: So like in the eighties and in the eighties and

511
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: nineties when my dad was a communications guy. He would

512
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: bring the workhome, so he had like a Morse code,

513
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, tat and I'd sit there and play with

514
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: it on my knee and all this kind of stuff.

515
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: And he would go to this store called Radio Shack

516
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: okay back in the eighties and nineties here at our

517
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: local shopping mall, and he saw these wireless headsets, two packs,

518
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, and so we bought like six

519
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: or ten packs of those, and they were going on

520
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: some mission thing and he wound up issuing those out

521
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: to his guys. So they had their own wire like

522
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: kind of handheld our communication device that they could talk

523
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: to each other and no one could hear them.

524
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: Back in the day. That is exactly the kind of

525
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: creativity and you work with, you know, you have to

526
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: think outside of the box, make your own shit, you know,

527
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: do solve whatever problems you need to solve, even if

528
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: the army or environment doesn't provide for you.

529
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: Which they weren't there. He was like, well, wow, these

530
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: are going to be great for my guys. Let alone

531
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: you and your brother running around the house bro exactly exactly.

532
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that is what it's all about, and

533
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: that's I think that that's one of the main qualities

534
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: of any soldier or operator to be able to adapt

535
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: and be creative in your own environment.

536
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: And someone who grew up in the eighties and nineties

537
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: with a dad like that myself. You know, he did

538
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: say that when it came down to it, he would

539
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: be in charge of the entire a team because he

540
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: could tell everybody to crank the generator. He's like, everybody

541
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: has to do it for five minutes. It's an order,

542
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: and so that the captain, everybody has to crank the

543
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: generator for five minutes. He's like, so for that moment,

544
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm in charge of it all.

545
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's running the show.

546
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: He's run of the show. Crank that generator. You guys

547
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: don't still use old school generators like that, do you.

548
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean you probably know how if you came across it, right, Yeah.

549
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 3: Of course, I mean not so much. I mean now

550
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: it's a different game, but yeah, back then a bit.

551
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: But I mean technology has been evolving so quickly over

552
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: the last Yes, every year is something else, you know,

553
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: something new, something better, or something more extreme. And I

554
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: think maybe sometimes today people you know, especially when something

555
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: is evolving really quickly, like they're doing now you know,

556
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: everything is about drones, which is excellent. Everything is about

557
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: electronic and digital surveillance solutions, satellite communications, and sometimes people

558
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: tend to forget the basics because when everything is over

559
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: and done with you, that is the foundation you have

560
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: to rely on when things go really south.

561
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: Exactly, So I think, you know it's right. I still

562
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: have a handheld crank radio flashlight you be charging system,

563
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: so I don't know, that's probably a little bit of

564
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: my dad still in the back of my mind, but

565
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: I have the crank. It's new, it's a newer version,

566
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: but it still gives me the ability to crank it.

567
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: So when we go out in the mountains and go camping,

568
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: I like to go gold panting with my family in

569
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: the river. There's really no signal for stuff where we go,

570
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: but I can always get some FM AM frequency bouncing

571
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: along the ground coming in and we can get some songs.

572
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: You know.

573
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: That's it, you know, even if it's in Spanish. I'm

574
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: cool with that, Okay, Yeah, I.

575
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: Mean, when you're panning for gold, I think it is Spanish.

576
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: It is quite appropriate.

577
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: It is. Actually, you know, I got a sluice. We

578
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: set it up in the river, big rocks. I got

579
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: a couple buckets. My kids dig it, put it in

580
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: the bucket, pour it down the sluice, take the green matt,

581
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: put it in the bucket, get all the good juicy

582
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: stuff out of it, and then sit there and pan

583
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: it with the wife kids, and you know, get a

584
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: sun tan in the river. Like we have chairs that

585
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: sit in the river. So we're just in the river chilling,

586
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: just sitting there, swirling our pants looking for something shiny.

587
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: Bro you know gold?

588
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean is this tiny flakes or do you

589
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: have to find like kind of so that's gold?

590
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: Don't you dare say.

591
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: It is gold?

592
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: Does it sometimes want to disappear when you touch it? Maybe?

593
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: Right?

594
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: But when you suck it up with the little beaker,

595
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: the like eye dropper that we use, you go around

596
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: your pan and just suck it up and you put

597
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: it into your jar and you start tipping your jar.

598
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, you know, what about twenty more years

599
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: of this and I could buy a candy bar. Okay,

600
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: but but where we go, we don't really like using

601
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: mechanical equipment. It's just and in Utah and specifically I'm

602
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: not like going to quote law, but you have to

603
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: be kind of manual to go gold pan in the river.

604
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: You can't have an operation. You can't have something sub

605
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: pumping it and dumping tailings across the way. It's got

606
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: to be just kind of like, ugh, where's the donkey at?

607
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: You know, and like you're kind of just like shoveling.

608
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: And then they want it to be manual. So you

609
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: just got to find a nice, dark, dark embankment of soot,

610
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, where it's just been sitting there and it's

611
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: dark sand, and you get in there and you start

612
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: going through the black of the sand. I mean, come

613
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: out to usaper, I'll take you into the river and

614
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: we'll go gold pannon. That's it.

615
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 3: And the beer sounds exciting because it kind of it

616
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: taps into, you know, your inner kind of greed. And

617
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: I mean I could, I could probably get gold fever,

618
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: you know, I would be that kind of guy.

619
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: Oh we do We sit out there too long, so

620
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: it's just so comfortable. The sun is cooking you. If

621
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: you had a you know, I told my wife I

622
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: should bring a pop up tent and just set it

623
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 2: in the river and stake it in the river and

624
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: we can just sit underneath it while the river still

625
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: flows and we have shade because I think that's about

626
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: the other thing. Then the next time we go we

627
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: get bigger hats, you know, and then I still think

628
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: I should have brought a shade tent in the river,

629
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: you know. But dude, I'm humping. That's a lot of gear.

630
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: And and I'm also dad, I carry all that gear.

631
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: That's true.

632
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: I gotta carry on bucket with a sluice and shovels

633
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: and like a tent and we're hiking in It's like, ah, bro,

634
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: let's just go with a big hat.

635
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I love that idea of that. I mean,

636
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: it sounds, it sounds relaxing. And also, you know, you

637
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: always have that kind of glimmer of hope in the

638
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: back of your head that you can strike big. I mean,

639
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: even if you never do, I think that would. It's satisfying.

640
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh it is. And that's the whole point. Like sometimes

641
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: we come out like, oh, well, that was fun. We

642
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: found some cool rocks, or we were maybe thinking we

643
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: found something cool, or we sit there and stare at

644
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: something like this is this like an amethyst? Is this

645
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: a rock? What is this rock here? I guess you know,

646
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: learning your your rocks geo. Yeah, geology, thank you. We

647
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: find like round ones which probably have like you know,

648
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: fossils in them and whatnot. And I've been watching a

649
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: lot of that on TikTok. It keeps popping up. I

650
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: keep seeing like people combing the beach and finding old

651
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: rocks and opening up the slate and then there's the

652
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: fossil round egg rock and they crack it and it's

653
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: got like an ammonite fossil in it. And I'm kind

654
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: of obsessed about that. But yeah, dude, that's kind of

655
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: fun because you know, you're in the nature, right, We're

656
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: just like in the elements, just foraging.

657
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have the excitement. And I mean for the kids,

658
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's like a big workshop. They think

659
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Dad's taking us gold penny.

660
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna always remember like my grandpa taught me to

661
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: gold pan They're always gonna be like, hey, remember dad

662
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: taking us into the gold penny country and we go

663
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: gold panning. Like I talked about, remember how my grandpa

664
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: I found a gold nugget when I was like eight

665
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: years old.

666
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, that's.

667
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: A good one. You found a good one. I don't

668
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: know where it went after I found the good one, Grandpa.

669
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: It sounds good. I think that's also my I mean,

670
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: I have actually never gold panned, but I've watched a

671
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 3: lot of gold panning shows, you know, yes on whatever

672
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: Discovery channel or you know, when they're up in Alaska

673
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: or something gold diving, all of that. I'm it's I

674
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: love that.

675
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: I like gold diving. Okay, let's talk about that. Because

676
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: they're down in a river just kind of like at

677
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: the surface of it and they're almost seeing the gold.

678
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm just like fluffing away the dirt and they're like, oh,

679
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: right there and like pulling it out right there. I'm like,

680
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: that's weird. Like what So I told my wife, next

681
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: time we go up to the river, I should bring

682
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: just goggles and just put my head in with a snorkel.

683
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: No kidding, brow this podcast just put a whole nother way.

684
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go gold panning together. It'll grow

685
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: your beard, you'll get your hat, you'll flip it up.

686
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: You'd be like, whoo, don on the rattlesnake rappings. We

687
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: got the gold going on down here, cowboy style. Bro.

688
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: I would love that.

689
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: I would love you to do that. Yeah, I'm in Utah.

690
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Anytime you're near here, just let me know. We'll set

691
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: up a little gold panning camp out.

692
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: I will give you a show immediately, because I need

693
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: some gold panning.

694
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: My life, I think so. And it's just something about it.

695
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: I mean, my wife probably hears me in my studio

696
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: talking about it, thinking like, are we going gold panning?

697
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: Is he taking this gold panning? Is he planning a

698
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: gold panning trip right now? Was Max from Sweden?

699
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's happening.

700
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: That's what's happening. That's what's happening. And if you're listening

701
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: and you're watching and you're having a good time with this,

702
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: you should try gold penny. Look it up. See it's

703
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: very simple. It only costs about maybe you might have

704
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: to spend one hundred dollars on the sluice. It's a box,

705
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: it opens up, it's portable, it's easy, it opens in

706
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: three steps. But it does so much work for you,

707
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: so much sifting of all these rocks and get into

708
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: the soot of the gold that you're trying to find,

709
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: you know, and it's just super fun. You sit in

710
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: the river. The river's kind of cold, but bro on

711
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: a summer.

712
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: Day, that's perfect.

713
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: It is perfect. It is. And I'm a big believer

714
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: in you know, recreational therapy, mental health therapy, and whether

715
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm snowboarding in extreme cold weather in my mountains, which

716
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: for some reason I just a been drawn to that,

717
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: I get a huge ice beard snowboarding. Bro, huge, that

718
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: looks good.

719
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: I like, I love that looks because it's that kind

720
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: of I don't know, that kind of Game of Thrones vibe.

721
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: You know, this icy beard and you know us off

722
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: on the other side of the wall and it's cracking on.

723
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: Love that and you're still like, bro, what's up? That

724
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: is what sucks with the Army because you cannot have

725
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 3: a beard. I mean you can now, but you couldn't,

726
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: so you were always keen shaven. There was no icy beard,

727
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: no or else.

728
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 2: You would have. Yeah, because when I'm snowboarding and it's

729
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: a blizzard, this beard, it's just catching all the snow

730
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: and I love it, and I'm just like more snow.

731
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm like packway, dude, I'm like, where's all the snow? Oh,

732
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: it's great. Do you ski your snowboard since you're an

733
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: Arctic warrior, do you ski your snowboarder?

734
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, I mean, I love snowboarding. I was.

735
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't early. I wouldn't say that that

736
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: I was an earliest adopter, but I was early early,

737
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: and I'm the snowboarding But here's the thing. I was

738
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: one of those weird kids because you know, normal snow

739
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: snowboards they have soft boots, right. But I went with

740
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: this because I went on, yeah, the alpine ship with

741
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: you know, with the ski boots, and that is so

742
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: weird because nobody does it. And then I was hooked

743
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: on that and that can him home. And the problem was,

744
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: you can't be part of the snowboarding community because they

745
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: hate you. I mean, you's a loser and you are

746
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: not a part of the you know, skiing community, so

747
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: you're you end up being alone.

748
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: You're a loner. You need to meet my friend Davio,

749
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: who's ski patrol at Brighton Ski Resort here in Utah.

750
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: He goes sixty six miles an hour on his asymmetrical

751
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: ski boots snowboard. Wow, And and he's the fastest and

752
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: and I mean really he's just like I'll be like

753
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: Davio and he'll be like you ready to race, And

754
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm like no, and I'm good. Okay, I can ride.

755
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I can ride. But he's just like

756
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: gone bros. And it's asymmetrical. You're probably facing the same

757
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: direction with your boots go in that direction? Are you

758
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: goofy your regular footed? I'm regular? Okay regular? You know

759
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: where goofy footed came from? No? Do you know the

760
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: character in Disney named Goofy? Yeah, so back in like

761
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: the fifties, they drew a cartoon of him surfing and

762
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: he was surfing goofy footed bro with his left foot

763
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: or his right foot front there. So all the surfers

764
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: were like, Bro, we're goofy footed dude because we right

765
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: like goofy. Yeah.

766
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: I love that and I didn't know that. Yeah, it's good.

767
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: This is good trivia. This is this is actually essentient knowledge.

768
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: This is more important than bait. I think this is

769
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: top ten knowledge I ever had.

770
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the exterminator gold panting hanging out with a goofy

771
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: footed homie named Rad. What more do you want? Bro?

772
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: Learn it about? That's that's what we need. That's so

773
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: we need.

774
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: That is all we need. That is all we need.

775
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: You've been through hard things in your life, and you

776
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: can prove to yourself, you've done hard things. Let me

777
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: ask you this just for the context of being in

778
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: the Swedish military. Let me let me shift gears real

779
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: quick to something more serious. Do you ever get into

780
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: like combat situations Arctic style or did the Arctic take

781
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: you into like the desert? And you're like, why am

782
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: I in the fighting when I'm trained the Arctic.

783
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. And no, I have never

784
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: been actually in combat in an Arctic environment. But I

785
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: mean you I think we were early in on the

786
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: Afghanistan campaign because I mean, if you have people that

787
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: are used to working in one extreme climate, it's usually

788
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 3: easy easier to adapt them too another extreme like the desert.

789
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know have you been in Afghanistan, No,

790
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: but you know the environment. I mean it's hot, that's

791
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: far during the date, and it's cold, it's mountainous regions.

792
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: So I think it was a reasonable fit, you know. Anyway,

793
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: it was a good fit. But no, I have never

794
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: been in combat and in an Arctic situation, which would

795
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: have been I'm not going to say that it would have,

796
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: but it would have been interesting because it's a very

797
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: different kind of different game.

798
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, I think it's more like ambush and positions

799
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: and like you know, trying to move through tree lines

800
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: or I don't know. My Arctic to me is just

801
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: like you're in the woods and you know there's some

802
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: enemy moving through the woods and you might have the

803
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: game on them or vice versa, and it's just like

804
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: tree warfare of like like rabbits.

805
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's very slow because everything moves slowly in

806
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: the snow. Yeah, And a lot of equipment can't move

807
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: into snow, and it's it's cold and it's dark and

808
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: it's this deep deep snow. I mean, it's a weird

809
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: situation and it's not optimal, but I think it's actually

810
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: I never thought about it, but I never tried it.

811
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: So we do war games here in Utah, and we

812
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: do war games on the same intensity and level as

813
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: if we're operating in an ambush position or any type

814
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: of you know, tactical maneuvering, you know, and we do

815
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: it all year round and in the snow here. Like

816
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: one time, bro, it was up to our hips and

817
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: all we could do is like make four steps in

818
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: the snow. And I was like this is a good spot,

819
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, good spot. I'm like, good spot,

820
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: We're in a good spot. Good spot. Everybody cool, cool cool.

821
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, I'm just right at

822
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: chest height. We're just gonna kick it right here. It'll

823
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: be good on the line, all right, we're good. We're not.

824
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna make them come to us as well.

825
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is, that's where you end up, because I mean,

826
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: you cannot only move so much foot. There are four

827
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: steps then done.

828
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: This is a good stuck, right, And so I mean

829
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: the guys out here that never had the chance to

830
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: join the military, or maybe they had asthma and it

831
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: prevented them from getting in our military, they get to

832
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: go play war games and airsoft and so we provide

833
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: an outlet there just like what you think it is.

834
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: And even if you didn't get sick or you did

835
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: go in, you can still play airsoft and war games.

836
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: They're very popular here. And that's kind of my bread

837
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: and butter.

838
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's an excellent way of kind

839
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: of paying it forward and that respect because and I

840
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: think why not. And it's also a great way to

841
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: foster many things, you know, and discipline and overcoming challenges

842
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: and all of that. I mean it's it is many

843
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: people see it's, yes, some kind of game, but it's

844
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: it's a different mentality, and I think it's it's done right.

845
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a great way.

846
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: It's only a game until your socks are wet.

847
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

848
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm looking at the kid. I'm like, are

849
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: those the shoes are gonna wear out here today? He's like, yeah,

850
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: I'll be just fine. Man. I was like, you sure

851
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: about that. I'm just looking at him. We're all like

852
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: in gortex, you know, we're just like ready to fight

853
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: in the snow, and these guys join us, and I'm

854
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: just like, okay, well, the rules said you need to

855
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: have proper attire to come out here. I just want

856
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 2: to make sure I'm calling you out right now before

857
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: we even fight. He's like wearing vans, you know. I'm like,

858
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Bro? It's like four feet of snow.

859
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: So twenty minutes later, I'm like, how you doing in

860
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: those shoes. He's like, I'm okay, now, I'm still okay.

861
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it's happening. It's starting to saturate his feet.

862
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Probably ten fifteen minutes after that, he comes up to me.

863
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, you know how you said you brought

864
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: extra socks and you can I can I use those now?

865
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but I'm not going to let

866
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: you go back in the fight because your soft your

867
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: shoes are soaking wet, bro, and your socks are wet

868
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: and your cold. Put my socks on. Go sit in

869
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: the car and just wait till we're done three hours

870
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: from now.

871
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 3: Cause but he's never going to remember that, or he's

872
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: never going to forget that. Ever. Yeah, I mean that's

873
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: a good lesson.

874
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: Bro, And he's got my socks yet you I said

875
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: you can keep those. It is, it is, And it

876
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: just shows him that, you know, I'm not the most

877
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: prepared at everything, but at least I had some of

878
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: that to show him, like, hey, at least I had

879
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: an extra pair. I was ready for to sleep the

880
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: night out there in my gear. I maybe he didn't

881
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: even need a pair of extra socks, but I knew somebody,

882
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: somebody is going to need those socks.

883
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need them.

884
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: And here I am just walking around looking at eybody's shoes. Okay,

885
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: I got extra socks. Who's gonna need these bitches? Who's

886
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: gonna need these socks? Here? It's you you're gonna need

887
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: these socks.

888
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: But it's also it's actually a good feeling, you know,

889
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: being prepared and actually come you know, you know that

890
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna need those socks. I got him. It's it's

891
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: a nice feeling.

892
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: It is. And we've died. Our car has died. My

893
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: buddy's Nissan Pathfinder four by four. It just died in

894
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: the middle of the desert. Nothing. My buddy's like, oh

895
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: hold on, let me go to the back of my truck.

896
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: He comes out with a whole new car battery. It

897
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: puts in the truck. We're like, you got a car

898
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: battery in your truck. He's like, well, you know, you

899
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: just never know if you're gonna need a car battery,

900
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: and so I have an extra car battery. I was like, Broye,

901
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: he was prepared. He was prepared.

902
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: That was the socks that was his by a car battery.

903
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: That's amazing. I mean, some people there are better than others,

904
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: but that's Almo as you have something.

905
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, really really, you know, it just shows that you know,

906
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: being neighbor Lee and we're all friends when we go

907
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: out and play, and like you said, airsoft brings together

908
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, challenges, and it also brings together people to

909
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: be friends and camaraderie. And what I see is I

910
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: see a lot of folks who have been in the military.

911
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: They get out of the military, they try to slow

912
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: down with civilian life, but it's still too slow exactly right.

913
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: I feel that, yeah, you can investigate.

914
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: That camaraderie and the brotherhood and that were your sisterhood

915
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: or oh, that you can replicate that in an ashraft environment.

916
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm one hundred percent.

917
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, and high fives mean the same thing there,

918
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, high five, you know it's a high five.

919
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: Good job, bump up, fist up, you know. I just yeah,

920
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: So listen, here's what we're gonna do with us. We're

921
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: gonna be friends, okay, Rad and Max k and then

922
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna go gold panning and we're gonna try to

923
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: use my crank radio to get some guns and Roses

924
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: Metallica on Okay, and then we're gonna go gold panning,

925
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: and I'll bring my wife so she's not left out

926
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: of that at all.

927
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: And then you're gonna I would't need.

928
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: You're gonna wear some Tivas in the I got you.

929
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: We got you prepared and then we'll go snowboarding. Yeah,

930
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: you can bring you can bring your boots. I'll accept

931
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: you into the Brighton Ski Resort, a family of snowboarding

932
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: with your boots.

933
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: And that was because I've never been accepted excepting like

934
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: it lay or something like that.

935
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: So you are accepted. No, it's okay. I actually I

936
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: just stare at you guys when you ride because I'm like, damn, bro, like,

937
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, you chose the hard boots, and honestly, I'm

938
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: jealous of the herd boots because sometimes my boeing my

939
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: or my boa system on my boot, it like pops

940
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: off because I have to pop it to wind my boot.

941
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: And then I'll realize, God, why is my back calf

942
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: so tired? After traversing across like a face right and

943
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: I'm toe side, so I'm like facing the mountain, I'm

944
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: toe side, my calves are totally flexing, and I'm like, oh,

945
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: damn dude, my boot gave way. So it's like loose,

946
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: you know. But then I think about like these stepping

947
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: boots that are out there that like Burten and everybody makes,

948
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: and they have a stiff boot, like what you use?

949
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Did you know that.

950
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that's that's a great way to

951
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: go because you get the approach of the ski boot

952
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: and like the softness of you know, and you.

953
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: Still want yeah, right, because let's let's let's really talk

954
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: about why we wear ski boots versus regular kind of

955
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: boots for snowboarding. Right, It's about walking up the stairs

956
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: to the campfire versus RoboCop up the stairs to the

957
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: camp fire.

958
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: And nothing good comes ever comes out of robocopping anything, nor.

959
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, slide down the stairs, well, hold on to the rail.

960
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. Okay, so hey, let

961
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: me let me go back and find your book. I've

962
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: had you for almost a whole hour. You have been awesome,

963
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: an awesome guest. You're welcome back anytime. Let me go

964
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: ahead and just say that. Max Lauker, the primary author

965
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: of number seven eighty eight, My Experience in Swedish Special

966
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: Operations preparing for NATO and the War on Terror. This

967
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: is Max. Guys. It's been a great, great guest on

968
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: the show. And if you've listen to this episode and

969
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: you've enjoyed it a lot, please share it with your

970
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: friends and calm it down below and send this to

971
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: somebody else who would care.

972
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: And it's been an honor to be here, and I'm

973
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: super grateful it's been. I had a super good time

974
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: chatting with you, and I learned some new things. Yeah right,

975
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: like goofy footed. I will thanks and goofy and being

976
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: accepted and being accepted. Those are my takeaways from.

977
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: This exterminator my man, Okay, I got you all right now,

978
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: behalf of Tony who is your co author, yes, and on,

979
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: behalf of Max Lauker, the other half of the author,

980
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: and our guest, and myself.

981
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: Rad.

982
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you to Brandon Webb,

983
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: to Anton, to Chris Guy, everybody behind the scenes that

984
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: support us and support me in doing this. Those of

985
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: you that reach out to me and say, hey, Rad,

986
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: I listened to your show. Can I be on your show?

987
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: I want to talk about things with you. Reach out

988
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: to me if you have any crazy mental issues. I'm

989
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: not the best, but I can help you by reaching

990
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: out to me. If you're crazy Rad rocking on Instagram.

991
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: If you're feeling down on yourself and you want to

992
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: talk to somebody, you can hit me up. I'll reply

993
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: back to you and say what's up, bro, I've done

994
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: it already, and it's kind of interesting and weird at

995
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: the same time. So I'm like, who's this guy, don't

996
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: do it, have a nice day, Okay, You're loved and

997
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: on behalf of all of that, I want to say

998
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: thank you and until next time. The srat saying peace.

999
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: You've been listening to your self, Red Radia