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Speaker 1: Pack twelve awards for this year. I'm George Rice Stir

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Speaker 1: and he's Ralph Amston and this is the Pack twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 1: The Pack twelve Apostles is the podcast BIPAC twelve Fans,

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Speaker 1: Ralph at Ralph Amston and met George at George Rice

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Speaker 1: Stir and most importantly, please make sure that you share

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Speaker 1: pass is the exact same, Too wins the Heisman Trophy. Interesting,

430
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: he had the name, and the difference is now is

431
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: that people could appreciate how good Devontae Smith was because

432
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: I do believe that he was the best player on

433
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: that offense. And then but and then Mac Jones wasn't

434
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: even the second best. Nagi Harris was the second best.

435
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I feel like they mean it

436
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: should do one of those things you can only really

437
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: do an n C double A two thousand and fourteen, right,

438
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: like get three people in as a as a finalist.

439
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: I personally don't. I think they had great performances whatever,

440
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: that's awesome. You know, Do I think that they any

441
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: of those three were the one of the three best

442
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: players in all of college football? Like players? No? Um,

443
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: but you don't wait no, no, I'm okay, let's just

444
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: say offensive. You don't think that DeVante Smith was one

445
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: of the three most dominant offensive players this season? Well,

446
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, like I said, performances and and overall skill

447
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: are completely different. DeVante Smith is not going to be

448
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: a top five pick in the upcoming NFL draft. He'll

449
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick though. Yeah, so, but so

450
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: was Jared Judy was the number fifteen overall pick last year.

451
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: Like that, that's not surprised. I'm saying, like, if if

452
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about the best players, nine times out of ten,

453
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: ninety nine times out of a hunter probably gonna go

454
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: with a quarterback, right and and I would take I

455
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: would take personally Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields over if

456
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: if we were actually like running a game with a

457
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: roster that we built, right, but whatever, Lawrence was the

458
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: best player in college football this season, like regardless of position,

459
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: any of that. The dude is just otherworldly, like Andrew

460
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: Luck type of good. Right. And I would say that

461
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: Justin Fields probably had two of the top five performances

462
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: like he's He did some really special stuff this year.

463
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: There just wasn't enough of body of work. But the

464
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: way that I the way that I look at it

465
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: is this is uh an anomaly, um, because the last

466
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: time that this was even fathomable, uh was what Larry

467
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald two thousand three and it didn't happen. And before

468
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: that it was probably Randy Moss and it didn't happen.

469
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: So you gotta go all the way back to for four,

470
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: and he was doing more than just catch it passes, right,

471
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: he was everywhere. So um yeah, So I would say

472
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: that I would say that you you could if if

473
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Speaker 1: you were trying to build a Heisman candidate from the

474
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: current slate of PAC twelve talent. There are people that

475
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that you should consider but that would

476
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: number one, the Pac twelve is already at a massive

477
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: disadvantage as far as how they're going to be judged.

478
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: One you have to be in a major market. Two

479
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: you definitely cannot be anything other than the quarterback. So

480
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: right now, all our hopes and dreams are probably pinned

481
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: on on Keaton Slovis and and it just is what

482
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: it is. But if there was anybody else, I would say,

483
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: people will look at a year like this and say, oh,

484
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Drake Lennon could do it, And I'm

485
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: telling you, no, he couldn't. No, he couldn't, because there's

486
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: a reason that this hadn't happened in thirty years, and

487
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: there's definitely a reason that it wouldn't happen. Or a

488
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: Pack twelve air raid tight end slash wide receiver hybrid

489
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: in the same offense as Keaton slovis so okay, So

490
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: see see here is the biggest problem is this? Okay,

491
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: so we we can go through the Heisman trophy guys,

492
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: right the people that can't potentially have a shot. So

493
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Speaker 1: here's the problem with Keaton Slobus is that I don't

494
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: think that Keaton Slopus is as good as everybody says

495
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: he is. I don't like how many times this year

496
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: have we questioned is his arm hurt? The ball doen't

497
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: come out right? He plays terrible halves. Yes, he's coming

498
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: back at the end, but Mike, like, you're not having

499
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: just an overwhelming dominant performance. He can do it, but

500
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Speaker 1: I think that USC's offense doesn't lend itself to do

501
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: that in the in the air raid, yeah, you can

502
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: put up some big numbers, but you're also playing against

503
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: U C. L A who's better. It's particularly on defense

504
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: and in the secondary, their pass for us everything. You're

505
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: playing against Oregon, you're playing against Washington, playing against Cal,

506
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: some of the better defenses in the conference. You're going

507
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: to struggle in the air raid against that. So I

508
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: mean they even struggled against Arizona State, who's who is

509
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: a uh structurally and scheme wise a good defense as well,

510
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: and they have good players too, And you struggled against Arizona,

511
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: So like, what about this leads me to believe that

512
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: that this is going to be something that's just so

513
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: outrageously special. So like, can Keaton Slovan's do it? Yes?

514
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: Do I believe that that will happen? No? And then

515
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: look at the look at the rest of the quarterbacks.

516
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: We don't know who or gainst quarterback is gonna be.

517
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Stanford's quarterback is gone and in um Davis Mills, Washington,

518
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Dylan Morris and nope, will will he even be the

519
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: starting quarterback? Sam Norrier at Colorado Nope, Utah, Jake Bentley, Nope.

520
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, I mean possibly, will they let him throw

521
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: enough and will as you win enough games? Yes, I

522
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: would circle him as a guy who would have a

523
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: chance of as you goes on a run and wins

524
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: the back twelveth South, Yeah, I'll I'll throw Jaden daniels

525
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: name in the hat. And Jaden Delora at Washington State, Okay, okay,

526
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: And I I think that you'll probably see some really

527
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: big numbers out of him as well. I'll give you

528
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Speaker 1: a super super dark horse, big time dark horse, uh

529
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: that that could have a couple of really big games

530
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: early and potentially get some whispers. And I'm not just

531
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: pulling this to thin air. I'm talking about somebody who

532
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: if you actually extrapolate, um, if you actually extrapolate what

533
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: they were able to do this year over a full

534
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: season with like a full workload, would would have been

535
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. So George, I want you to throw out

536
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Speaker 1: what you think a Heisman level number of touches for

537
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: a running back would be Heisman level number of touches,

538
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: So both rushes and receptions. Okay, let's just look at

539
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: the kid Jefferson out of out of uh Oregon State,

540
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: he had the most touches through through the six games,

541
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: out of any other well, the most rushes. So out

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00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: of six games, that's a hundred and thirty three he's

543
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: had a hundred and thirty three rushes. So double that

544
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: through twelve games. That's two six s plus another catch,

545
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: about three hundred, about three hundred touches, three touches. Okay.

546
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: So assuming that Arizona State was able to put the

547
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: ball in Rashad White's hands three hundred times between rushes

548
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: and receptions and he had the same yards per touch

549
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: that he had this year in then what we're talking

550
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: about is thirty five hundred total yards. Dude. Stop. See

551
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: see here, here's where we think he had forty two

552
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: carries for four twenty yards. He averaged ten yards per carry,

553
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: he averaged nineteen yards per catch. Okay, So I mean

554
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: he did it over four games. He was an slute monster.

555
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: If he was able to do that over, then you

556
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: might have you, You might have somebody who is worthy

557
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: of some type of consideration. One of the biggest issues

558
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: with him is he splits with train Um and he

559
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: plays in Tempee and he's a running back. And part

560
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: of that is just the fact that you that he

561
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: has such a limited number of touches. Okay, let's consider this.

562
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: Just think about this. You just gave me an outrageous

563
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: amount of yards and all this, right, do you realize

564
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: that Christian McCaffrey owns the single season um, the single

565
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: season all purpose yards in in in college history. And

566
00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: it's like, so, I mean, it's it's him. It's Christian McCaffrey.

567
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Then Barry Sanders, and you're telling me to train him?

568
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Is gonna do that? How about? How about? Now? Not?

569
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: So that's the thing is like, that's how unlikely it

570
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: would be is you can't even remember which running back

571
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: I was talking about. And he also is a juco dude,

572
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: So it's not like there was any hype on him

573
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: um at all. And so but I don't know, man,

574
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: he could be He could be a star. Arizona State

575
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: fans would be would be comfortable with him replicating this production,

576
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: even with the amount of touches that he was averaging

577
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: per per game, which I think was ten. Uh. They'd

578
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: be happy with him doing it on a hundred fifty.

579
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: They'd be ecstatic with him doing it on a hundred

580
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: and fifty touches next year. But if he got featureback

581
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: looks and he continued with the production that he had

582
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: this year against some of the weak defenses that he's

583
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: going to go up against, it's possible. But that one

584
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: of the issues with the Heisman is you have to

585
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: start lobbying right now. I'm telling you, man I, the

586
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: hopes of the PAC twelve are almost entirely, entirely resting

587
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: on Keet and Slovis's shoulders because nobody's gonna take Jeri

588
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: Brusard seriously. And I'm sorry to Colorado fans, but that's

589
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: they're not gonna win enough games, dude. They're not gonna

590
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: win enough games. Even if even if they have a

591
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: great season and go eight and for he's out of it,

592
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: there's there's no shot, just because of the way that

593
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: the Heisman does its actual voting and the way the

594
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: voters work, and unfortunately for the Pac twelve and unfortunately

595
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: for everybody, for everybody, and this is incredibly horrific and tragic.

596
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: The Pac twelves biggest star in the making was in

597
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is Ty Jordan. We talked about him

598
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: on this podcast constantly all throughout last year and and

599
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: he had an incident at home in Texas over the

600
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: Christmas holiday where he accidentally shot himself in the hip.

601
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: And and he's no longer with us, but that was

602
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: probably the biggest over the next two years, just as

603
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: far as the level of talent. I mean, that was

604
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: a guy who who who probably is a little bit

605
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: more talented than you know. Benjamin came out of the

606
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: same area, trained with him, ran like him. Uh and

607
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: and the way that that Utah used him, he was

608
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: he was fixing to probably be the Pac twelves best player.

609
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: He's already named Packed twelve Freshman of the Year and uh,

610
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they just can't get past how unbelievably um

611
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: devastatingly tragic that whole situation is. But he's somebody whose

612
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: name that I absolutely would have thrown in there as

613
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: someone that the Pack twelve could have could have seeks

614
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: to start promoting yesterday, as this is somebody who you

615
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: need to make sure you are tuned in to see

616
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: every single week. Yep, yep, it is okay. So I'm

617
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: looking at one though, So those are the guys that

618
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: we think ken can win it. Obviously, some guy like

619
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: a Sean da Ers at Oregon or you know, a

620
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: running back at you know, at one of the other

621
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: teams at u C, l A or somewhere else that

622
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: or Arizona State can make a run off the team wins,

623
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: wins enough games. But I'm looking at one as a

624
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: hugely important year for the Pack twelve in general. Number

625
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: one with the with the TV contract negotiations, figuring out

626
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with Larry Scott. Those things have

627
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: to be top priority. But most importantly, I think it

628
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: has to be winning on the field, because you don't

629
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: get too many opportunities to play other conferences, and when

630
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: you do that well and when you don't, you have

631
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: to maximize those opportunities. Like, for instance, Oregon plays this year.

632
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: They played Fresno State Stony Brook, I don't even know

633
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: how that got on the schedule, and Oregon State emissory

634
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: in Ohio State at the Shoe, So no, justin field.

635
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: So they're gonna be breaking in a new quarterback. So

636
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: that's an opportunity for you to win. Ohio States a good, good,

637
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: really good football team. They're gonna be talented no matter what.

638
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: But that's a game that you have to win. U

639
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: c l A. Next year, they play at the Rose

640
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: Bowl against l s U. You have to win that

641
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: game or that you have to play that game super close.

642
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: And then you can't lose to Hawaii or Fresno State.

643
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: You cannot, under any circumstances lose to either one of them.

644
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: And then you have Washington. Washington plays at Michigan. That's

645
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: a game that they can clearly win. You have to

646
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: do that because even if Oregon loses to Ohio State

647
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: in a close game, if then Michigan has a good season,

648
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Washington beats Michigan, and then the Oregon UH Washington game

649
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: now looks way better. Whoever the winner is. If Oregon

650
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: wins that game, then you're like, oh wow, that's a

651
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: super good football team. Washington wins, you're like, oh wow,

652
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: this is a dominant football team. You have to make

653
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: the most of those opportunities. And then you have UH

654
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Stanford for they got Notre Dame. Geez, they're not conferences,

655
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: wild dude. They have Kansas State, Vanderbilt and Notre Dame.

656
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: They played twelve Power Five games. They're like, we're not

657
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: scheduling no damn stony Brook. And then you have Arizona State.

658
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: There's this kind of light. They got U and l

659
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: V Southern, Utah b y U and those are the

660
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: teams that you have to have show up in the

661
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: non conference A s you can't. I mean they they're

662
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: looking at, honestly, if if a s U s under

663
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: anything UM under ten eleven wins next year after a bowl.

664
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: They screwed up. They screwed up bad. Because the schedule

665
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: works out in their favor, the roster works out in

666
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: their favor. They're one of the only colleges and all

667
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: of college football that is getting kids that are eligible

668
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: for the draft to come back and run it back again.

669
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: They've got a quarterback that we didn't mention when we

670
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: were talking about potential UM Heisman candidates, but that Arizona

671
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: State fans will absolutely tell you he deserves to be

672
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: in that conversation. They recruited some wide receivers who were

673
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be really special We just talked about what

674
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: they have at running back. It's not like there's no

675
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: excuses when you talk about that non conference schedule. They

676
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: gotta take care of b y U. They gotta run

677
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: up stats against UM, you n LV and UH in

678
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Southern Utah UM and yeah, I mean, it's got to

679
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: be it. They have to have their eye on the prize.

680
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: They can't be UM playing other teams into games like

681
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: they like HERM Edwards team has a tendency to do

682
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and then just hanging around UH and hoping to draft

683
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: past some of some of these high level teams. They

684
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: play like they've done against Michigan State a couple of

685
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: times in the last few years. They have to be

686
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: on it from the jump and UM and I think

687
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: the schedule allows for them to do that, But it

688
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: also means that people probably aren't gonna take them very

689
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: seriously because, you know, people don't know unless you unless

690
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: you follow, unless you follow lower level football, you wouldn't

691
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: realize Southern Utah's entire team is actually stacked, but they

692
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: have no business hanging around with anybody from the Pack twelve,

693
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's definitely gonna be an entry

694
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: listing year for them, But it would be ten times

695
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: better for Arizona State to have had a Michigan State

696
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: on their schedule this year. Yeah, yeah, no, no, that

697
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: definitely would It would have been. And truthfully, that's been

698
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: the best nonconference win for the Pack twelve in a while, dude,

699
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, because at the because the Colorado thing

700
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: over Nebraska, like you want, the win over the brand

701
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: is fantastic, right, the win over the brand is is epic,

702
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: but Nebraska actually is terrible. They're terrible, so it doesn't

703
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: mean anything really all that much in the long run.

704
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: And then when you consider that Colorado turned around lost

705
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: to Air Force like eight seconds later, it really doesn't

706
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: mean anything. So you know, you you have to take

707
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: advantage of the fact and the fact that in the

708
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: thing that we lost as a conference that hurts the

709
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: most is the shot at vam uh right, and the

710
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: and the shot at Ohio State, the two teams that

711
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: are gonna be playing for a title. Not being able

712
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: to have those teams come into the Pack twelve, so

713
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve has the opportunity to show what they're

714
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: worth is horrendous. Exactly though you are one hundred percent

715
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: you are a hundred percent right right. It just so

716
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: it matters in terms of of how the conference is

717
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: perceived and when you are doing things to make sure

718
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: and when you have a problem with your conference and

719
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: how it's and how people look at it. The only

720
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: way out is to do the hard thing. You can't

721
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: do the easy. You can't do the easy, easy thing

722
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: and think it's going to happen. You have to do

723
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: the hard thing in the situation. Um the and and

724
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that's hard for some of these

725
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: college teams is the recruiting, and the recruiting is putting

726
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: the conference at a disadvantage. And you have Oregon, who

727
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: has recruited their last three cycles. This year they'll finish

728
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: top seven. They finished top seven, they finished seventh two

729
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: years ago, and last year they finished with eleventh or

730
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: thirteenth or something. And this is gonna be an opportunity.

731
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: So they've been recruiting at a high level. USC had

732
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: a disaster last season. They have no lineman. They got

733
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: all the dvs and quarterbacks that a man could wish for,

734
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: but and they finally got Corey Foreman. But their offensive

735
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: line recruiting and defensive line recruiting in general has been trash.

736
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: So it's so it's like, how do you do that?

737
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: And then Washington has fallen out of the top. I

738
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: know they had a small class, but you can what

739
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: Lane Kippen signed a class of fifteen that was in

740
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: the top ten or thirteen that was in the top ten.

741
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, you can do it. Arizona State and

742
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Cow have increasible eyes. Shouldn't say Arizona State because they

743
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: dropped all their kids. Cal has improved their recruiting, like

744
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: everybody else in the conference has to pull their weight,

745
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: and everybody's not doing it right now. Yeah, I mean,

746
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: what will be interesting to see is if the Pack

747
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: twelve can can be on the innovative forefront of the portal,

748
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: if they can embrace free agency, if they can resist

749
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: the temptation to fill the class with high school kids

750
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: and leave six to eight spots open for every single team,

751
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: so that when the Pack twelve loses big time talent

752
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: and and and now I must say big time talent,

753
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: and people at University of Washington are gonna mock me

754
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: because he didn't win the starting job this year and

755
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: it went to Dylan Morris instead. But if you you

756
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: should be able to leave enough spots open that when

757
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: a guy like Jacob Sermon wants to leave University of

758
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: Washington that he doesn't end up at Central Michigan. But yeah, yeah,

759
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: but the problem with that is because u c l

760
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: A got one of Oregon, I mean, got one of

761
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: Washington's quarterbacks. They did, So it's just a matter of that.

762
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: That usually means because people will take quarterbacks, that usually

763
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: means that they didn't have a high enough rating on

764
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: on him like that, the that people didn't believe in

765
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: him the way that he needed them to for them

766
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: to be willing to say, all right, okay, come to

767
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: our school. Because Arizona has a quarterback problem. Oh definitely

768
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: they do. They have, Yeah, because because because Grant Dannell,

769
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: he went where Memphis. Yeah, So who's left on their

770
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: roster besides Rhett uh Rhet Rodriguez. You know, Rhet red

771
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: Rod's gone too. Rhet Rod hit the hordleft. So did

772
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: the top five wide receivers. The top five wide receivers,

773
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Drew Dixon, Jamari Joyner, Booby Curry, Um Stanley berry Hill,

774
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: all those guys, they all bounced. So we just throw

775
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: Arizona out of the pack twelve and bring in Boise

776
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: State because they could probably give more. Said that that's bad.

777
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: You always were against Boise State coming to the Pack twelve,

778
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: and then Arizona got bad enough to wear. But so

779
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about Arizona. Since you, since you brought it up,

780
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about this higher, let's talk

781
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: about jet Fish. What do you think of that? I

782
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. I mean, granted, so, mind you. I

783
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: was on the outrageous bandwagon on this. I was on

784
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: the outrageous side of this because Arizona is in such

785
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: an untenable situation financially, because they just paid something's buy out.

786
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: They had just paid Rich Rods buy out. They got, uh,

787
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, stuff going on, hiring lawyers for this FBI

788
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: thing with the basketball team. You have to scandal with track.

789
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're you're paying money out to Wazoo.

790
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: So you needed to get a bargain and you needed

791
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: to get a good like you needed somebody who's not

792
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: going to pull uh um, Oh my gosh, what's the

793
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: guy's name who left Colorado to go to Michigan State? Tuck? Yeah,

794
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: somebody's not gonna mail Tucker. You mind you I'm not

795
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: disparaging Mail Tucker because I get it. Why Michigan State,

796
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: they offered him so much money, so much money for

797
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: his assistance, all of of stuff. He couldn't turn it down,

798
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: and made him an offer he could not refuse. And

799
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: it's big ten. So there's plenty of money, plenty of

800
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: money for recruiting. He's like, yo, I feel like I

801
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: have a better chance of being successful here. So I

802
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: get it. Arizona needed somebody who was going to stay.

803
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: So the idea that they would um like bring in

804
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: a former player in Antoine Cason and and he would

805
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: bring in you, you know, good big time coaches and

806
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: take less money and stay. I I was on that

807
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: outrageous train. Or you hire somebody who has Arizona ties,

808
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: like the uh like the head coach at why at

809
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: San Jose State who wants to be there, but in

810
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: instead they let the president of the school picked the

811
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: football coach instead of the athletic director. So if I'm

812
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: the athletic director, I'm out of there. Bro I'm I'm

813
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: one the first thing smoking, I guess. I mean, jet

814
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: Fish definitely was not on the list of people that

815
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: I thought that they should consider. Um I don't know.

816
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: I think the University of Arizona's fans were kind of

817
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: on suicide watch there for a minute with the higher,

818
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: But as things go, is with any higher, over time

819
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: you sort of calm down, You talk yourself into it

820
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, right Like, he had a decent time

821
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: at University of Michigan in the year he was there,

822
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: even though I don't think he was calling plays, he

823
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: had a decent time Josh Rosen's junior year as a

824
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: coordinator at U c l A. UM. I think one

825
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: of the biggest concerns about jet Fish for me was

826
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: the last time he entered year three at any job

827
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: was two thousand and six. Is like an analyst for

828
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, so he's bounced around a whole lot. UM.

829
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: I find the staff that he put together on the

830
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball intriguing, but nothing about it

831
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: is in any way UM sexy. I guess. I guess

832
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I would say, Uh, so they got Jimmy Doherty into

833
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: coach the quarterbacks, and Jimmy Doherty he was he was

834
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: at Oregon for a minute, if you remember, UM, and

835
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: he had been at U c l A for the

836
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: last three years. Working with d t r Um. The

837
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: thing about Jimmy Doherty that that most sticks out to

838
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: me is, first of all, he is the uh long

839
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: time like he's a son of a legendary long time

840
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: high school coach. The dude lives and breathes football. He's young,

841
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: he's like relevant. I think I think that he'll be okay.

842
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to do a better job recruiting at

843
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, and I think that he did in

844
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: his time at U c l A. I will never

845
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: forget that Jimmy Doherty was one of two college football

846
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: coaches to have ever blocked me on Twitter because I

847
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: pointed out because I pointed out when he was at

848
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: Oregon that the picture that he had found on the

849
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: Internet of ducks that we're supposed to be flying in

850
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: a V formation, Um, we're actually flying in a formation

851
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: of like uh an ejaculating erect penis. Yeah, yes, I

852
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: remember that, And which is like, I gotta find the

853
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: tweet because it was the funniest I e s screenshot

854
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: at because the funniest thing I saw in the world

855
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: at the time that happened, and I was like, somebody's

856
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to tell coach Doherty that ducks don't fly

857
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: in this formation, and he blocked me, but he like

858
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: unblocked me a year later, which was nice. Um, and

859
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: I look forward to working with him if he asked

860
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: any questions about Arizona prospects. Um, but I mean, he's fine.

861
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: They have Jordan's pal pal, the tight ends coach from

862
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: University of Washington, who Jimmy Lake did not retain when

863
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: he took over, and then he spent the last year

864
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: un l V. His recruiting area when he was at

865
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: Washington was Arizona, so I'd see him out and about

866
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: quite a bit. He knows the area, so that'll at

867
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: least be helpful for them. Scotty Graham is their running

868
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: backs coach. Is kind of interesting to me because Scotty

869
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: Graham was the he's like the associate a d at

870
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Arizona State University. He was not a position coach. He

871
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: was he was like the a d over Champions Life

872
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: or something like that. Really good dude, really really good dude. Um,

873
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: can he recruit running backs? We'll find out. Um, they're

874
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: pretty stacked at running back as far as the only

875
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: position that they're probably stacked at. Um. Down there and

876
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: then they Probably the most interesting offensive staff higher that

877
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: they got was Kevin Cummings, who was the wide receiver's

878
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: coach at San Jose Stay, who might actually also bring

879
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: with him their leading receiver UM. And it's very interesting

880
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: to me that Brent Brennan was supposed to get this

881
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: job and his wide receiver's coach ended up taking taking

882
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: his his bag sittum soon anyway, and might actually leave

883
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: with the best receiver UM and bring him with and

884
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: uh and and ever since they announced this offensive staff,

885
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: they did land Um Northwestern starting running back the last

886
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: three years, Drake Anderson Um, who is a son of

887
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: Damien Anderson, former ayors on a cardinal. Uh So that's

888
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting, uh addition. But they have so

889
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: many holes here, man. They they I think they had

890
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: twelve spots that they had the ability to take after

891
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: the recruits that they had already signed in the early

892
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: signing period. So they're gonna need to get as many

893
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: of these transfers from all of the country as possible

894
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: in order to fill out this roster that this is

895
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna be oh and twelve team. Man, Yeah, there's yeah.

896
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: They can't even get lucky and win. So this is

897
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: a case almost like Jonathan Smith's first year at Oregon State.

898
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: They have fallen so far down. Actually, they're even in

899
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: a worse spot than Oregon State was, and your fans

900
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: love that higher. Yeah no, no, no, no, I'm I'm

901
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, in terms of how you're gonna judge it,

902
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna judge it based upon growth, Like did you

903
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: get me exactly? You're gonna be like, oh, we lost

904
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: forty five, forty five to twenty one, all right, and

905
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: then then the next year you lose thirty two to

906
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: you know eighteen, You're like okay, and then you lose

907
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: you know three, and you're like, okay, We're we're almost back.

908
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: That's where I mean, this is a full rebuild for

909
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: this team. Um, what do you make of the transfer Portal? Actually? Yeah,

910
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: what what do you make it? What's going on with

911
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: the transfer portal? Because it's popping his booming, more kids have,

912
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: more kids are in it now than have ever been

913
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: in it. And for me, I just look at it

914
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, some of these kids are getting some

915
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: really really bad advice. I see that. That's just it

916
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: for me, though, George, who's telling them to go into

917
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: the portal. It's got to be like the devil on

918
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: their shoulder or their dad's like that's the only thing

919
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: that I can think of is some some of these

920
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: dads are are out of their mind. But it can't

921
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: like it can't be unless they're straight up just being recruited,

922
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: which is gonna exist again, by the way, like recruiting

923
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: of players on other teams already existed in some form

924
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: or another. It didn't always involve coaches. But I remember

925
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: I remember going to a passing clinic a couple of

926
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: years back, and um Manny Wilkins was there at the

927
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: passing clinic and it was before his senior year on

928
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: a state and Emmanuel Butler was there. And Emmanuel Butler

929
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: has been i think, on the practice squad of the

930
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints for the last couple of years. And

931
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: he was at Northern Arizona University. He was a huge

932
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: miss for the entire Pack twelve and for the entire

933
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: Mountain West. He ended up in the Big Sky where

934
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: he had like three one thousand yard seasons in a row.

935
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: He was six four, two twenty. Very obvious like that.

936
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: This was an incredible talent that never in a million

937
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: years should have been missed on. And I think the

938
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: reason that people missed on him was because he was

939
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: the third best receiver on his high school team. His

940
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: high school team had um the Gatorade player of the

941
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: Year who went to University of Oregon. You might remember him.

942
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: He transferred to Northwestern after a couple of years. He

943
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: had back issues. Was his named Jalen Brown or something

944
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, yeah, yeah. And then Timmy Hernandez who

945
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: who was a big time player for Oregon State for

946
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: a really long time. So this dude, Emmanuel Butler completely

947
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: fell through the cracks and I watched at this passing

948
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: camp Manny Wilkins told him to transfer to Arizona State

949
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: like every five seconds. And then as we were leaving,

950
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: I had said something to Manny Wilkins because we had

951
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: had a back and forth on Twitter. Um of course

952
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: we did a couple of weeks before that, and I

953
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we're good, right, and he's like, yeah,

954
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: we're good. He's like, but you want to be the

955
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: one to break the news when Ebutt comes to a

956
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: su And I was like, okay, but like he never did.

957
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: But like that type of recruiting is constant when kids

958
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: go back home, they're always trying to hustle people to say, like, hey,

959
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, if we got a spot, you want me

960
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: to talk to uh, you want me to talk to

961
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: one of the coaches to see if we got a

962
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: spot that if you were to test the waters, if

963
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: you come over. That type of stuff already happens. But

964
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: we're getting to the level where it's like, there's so

965
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: many kids in the portal that it would not be

966
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: completely insane for one of these position coaches to get

967
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: on the phone with somebody's dad, which I'm sure it

968
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: is already happening and saying, hey, tell your kid to

969
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: get in the portal. We got a spot for him.

970
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: Like so, so that's where we're at now. And I

971
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't know who is telling these

972
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: kids that this is a good idea, because it is

973
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: such a bad idea. There are probably close to a

974
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: thousand college football players who are good enough to play

975
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: college football at a high level somewhere who will not

976
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: have a team next year. They just won't even ever

977
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: be able to play again, and their intention will have

978
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: been to play, but there won't be a spot for them.

979
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: We'll see, and I think that people aren't really paying

980
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: attention to the fact that that the numbers that transfer

981
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: portal guys, they count against the scholarship limits. So you

982
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: can't sign a full class of unless the numbers are

983
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: different for your school for that particular year and you're

984
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: able to sign more. But if you sign a full

985
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: if you have twenty five spots and you bring a

986
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: kid in and the transfer portal, he counts against that.

987
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: So that's one less kid that you can sign. And

988
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: so the idea that oh, yeah, we're just gonna grab

989
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: everybody out of the portal, it doesn't work like that.

990
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: So I and going into the portal needs to be

991
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: for the most part, like firing a head coach. If

992
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: you fire your head coach and you have no idea

993
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: who you're gonna hire next, you're a moron. You should

994
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: it's so a kid, So a kid before he jumps

995
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: into portal, he's put a couple of feelers out and

996
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: have an idea who actually wants him, Like that should

997
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: be before you hop into portal, make sure that you

998
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: are wanted, because if you're not wanted, then that's gonna

999
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: put you in a position where like your back is

1000
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: up against the Wall, Yeah, and there. I mean there's

1001
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: some of these there's some of these kids where it's obvious,

1002
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: like Jamari Joyner, he came at a University of Arizona,

1003
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: and I think I had tweeted like, you're an idiot,

1004
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: You're an absolute idiot if you don't pursue him, because

1005
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: he he he has some He is somebody athletically that

1006
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: has the potential to be one of the best players

1007
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: in the country. Can he put it together? Will he

1008
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: be in the right situation? I don't know, but I

1009
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: mean immediately he was followed by like a hundred college

1010
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: coaches immediately. Um, Like guys like that, it's very obvious

1011
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: that they're going to have a spot, um, you know.

1012
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: For For a lot of these other guys, it's very

1013
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: it's very questionable, right, Like I'm seeing some people enter

1014
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: the portal who were walk ons, but because they wore

1015
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: the jersey for a couple of years, they think and

1016
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: they're gambling when they do this. They think that if

1017
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: they enter their name into the portal and they got

1018
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: two years worth of photos of them in uh in

1019
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: an Oregon state jersey, that that's gonna mean that some

1020
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: big sky school comes along and wants to pay their tuition,

1021
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: but that big Sky school is going to have a

1022
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: crack at guys like Connor Murphy out of us SEE

1023
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like you know that it's just

1024
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: not what you think it's gonna be. And I worry

1025
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of these guys that are entering the portal,

1026
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: if they don't already have a spot in mind um,

1027
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: are gonna be in trouble. And that so Nor Northwestern

1028
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: took two really good kids out of Arizona a couple

1029
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: of years back, Gunner Maldonado and Drake Anderson. They entered

1030
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: the portal and they committed to Arizona immediately, so like

1031
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: they knew, they knew what they were gonna do, they

1032
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: knew where they were going. That was you know, that

1033
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: was academic. But some of these people are just like,

1034
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna trust the process. I'm going into

1035
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: the portal. And I don't know, man, I really don't

1036
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: like who was it that just jumped in for um

1037
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: uh for for Arizona State today that I was looking

1038
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: at kJ um k J Darrell, former four star um

1039
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: out of out of Sawara High schoo out here. He

1040
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: just never really put on weight and UM, and because

1041
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: he never really put on weight, and because they just

1042
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: kind of kept recruiting over him at his position. You know,

1043
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't um. It was pretty clear that he wasn't

1044
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: gonna be uh, somebody who played. And so he waited

1045
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: until now to enter his name into the portal. And

1046
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: do you want to know? Do you want to know

1047
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: which college coaches followed him after he put his name

1048
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: in the portal? After being a four star recruit in

1049
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: a hometown hero Abilene, Christian Eastern Washington, I mean West Texas,

1050
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: A and M Northeastern State University, Like that's we we

1051
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: were state. That's what level we're talking about. So and

1052
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: and even then they might not have spots. They might

1053
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: be weighing you against three other four stars who didn't play, um,

1054
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's just I don't know, man,

1055
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: It's a really really tough environment out there. And I

1056
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: want the absolute best for for for everybody and for

1057
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: all these kids, and I want that. What I want

1058
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: is I want the n C double A to step in.

1059
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: I want the n C Double A to step in

1060
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: and say like, hey, we know that the scholarship limit

1061
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: is eighty five and we know that your scholarship limit

1062
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: is twenty five. So if any of you out there

1063
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: and and then you have to be really careful with

1064
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: this because the rich always get richer, right, But what

1065
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: you'd have to say is like, hey, so let's say

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01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: you could stay at eighty five, but if you haven't one,

1067
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: like if you don't have a winning percentage over like

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01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: four hundred over the last three combined years or something

1069
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: like that, you here's five extra to get you up to.

1070
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: But the college coaches a complain about that, like they're

1071
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: so concerned with equity all the time, and then everything

1072
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: that's disguised as equity always goes to make the rich

1073
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: rich a dude, and somebody will lose a game on

1074
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: purpose at the end of the season, they will go

1075
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: full Philadelphia Eagles on them. And that's what I mean.

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01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: It has to be like a one time solution to

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01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: where to where they're telling like where to where they're

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01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: saying that if your current scholarship limit as is, is

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: that like seventy seven or something like that, you can

1080
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: get three. You can go get three out of the

1081
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: transfer portal um. But then, like the weird thing about

1082
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: that is it just creates a weird run and you

1083
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: might have more people jump into the portal to try

1084
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: to hop and so I don't know, man, it's just

1085
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: there's not really a good solution. I've been thinking about

1086
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: this all week, about what a good solution would be

1087
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: to try and get everybody back to the back to

1088
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: the point where the average school isn't sitting at seventy

1089
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: six scholarships when their limit is five, knowing that they're

1090
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: going to go into next year not taking high schoolers

1091
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: because the trans reportal exists. Yeah, there has to be

1092
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 1: something that gets people back at least up to eighty,

1093
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I can't think of something that wouldn't

1094
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: create an enormous because other otherwise they would kick kids out,

1095
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: They would push kids out into the portal who who

1096
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: were underachieving to bring other kids in. Yeah. So it's

1097
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: this is a situation like black coaches getting getting hired.

1098
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: All the solutions like involve something that has unintended consequences,

1099
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: and that some of them just don't feel right. So

1100
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: like people should just do the right thing from the beginning.

1101
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: Um So on the recruiting front though, right now, so

1102
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: we already did our recruiting special where we went over it.

1103
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of there's been some movement. At

1104
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: the All American Game, us SEE had a great All

1105
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: American Game. They got two commitments. One of them had

1106
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: already signed in Corey Foreman, who's the number one player

1107
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: in the nation depending on what site you're looking at,

1108
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: and you had and they signed one of the top

1109
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: cornerbacks out of well, they got a commitment from one

1110
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: of the top cornerbacks, cr Right from Loyola. So what

1111
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: do you? Uh? Did anybody else pick up any commitments recently?

1112
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: A portal portal commitments? There were a few of those.

1113
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: Um U c l A did U c l A

1114
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: did that? They got that? Um U c l A

1115
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: got that offensive I'm sorry. That defensive lineman, um hold up,

1116
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: let me pull up his name. He's a four star

1117
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. His name is uh oh lord oh uh

1118
01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: Tia teol Ali surveyor close enough. Yeah, I mean yeah,

1119
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: So there there were a couple Um none were surprises.

1120
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: Corey Foreman had signed previously. UM I think CR Wright

1121
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: was was a little bit more of a mystery. But yeah,

1122
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: there's a reason that Dante Williams got announced as assistant

1123
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: head coach and got a pay bump before Corey Foreman

1124
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: ever announced where he was going to school, Like that

1125
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: should have been the tip off. Remember you sent that

1126
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: to me and I just kind of laughed and I

1127
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he's yeah, he's he's definitely, um, you know,

1128
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: he's the reason that they're relevant again. Uh so yeah,

1129
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: but you're you're right, U U c l A got

1130
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: another big defensive lineman at Las Vegas UM six three

1131
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: to seventy six, and their defensive line is it looks

1132
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: nice you c l A defensive recruiting the last two

1133
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: years deserves a lot of credit, a lot of credit.

1134
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: And without those recruits even really being part of things

1135
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: right now, and the fact that their defense played a

1136
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: lot better than both you and I projected that they

1137
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,839
Speaker 1: would play, this could be the start of something special

1138
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: um out there. Yeah, dude, the U t l A

1139
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: has definitely improved. Dude, definitely improved. And so I am

1140
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: wondering what, like what the ceiling is because Okay, so

1141
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: people were saying, oh, Chip Kelly is gonna be out.

1142
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: He sold his house and in Cino is seven million

1143
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: dollar house and and Cino he's playing on picking up

1144
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: and getting out. This is clear that that's not gonna happen.

1145
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: Like it's very clear that he's there to stay. So

1146
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: that is a big deal. This team is is making

1147
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: a move, and it seems like Chip is actually putting

1148
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: more effort into recruiting than he had in the past.

1149
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: And I think that that Jordan's thing is a big deal.

1150
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: That Jordan thing is a major deal. It's definitely helpful,

1151
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: um and they needed it because if if USC behind

1152
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: Dante Williams is going to continue to be relevant. And

1153
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: they were the I think the number of eight overall

1154
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: team according to Rivals after adding Corey Foreman and c

1155
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: your right, and they flipped kiren Ware Hudson um, which

1156
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: is a really big deal. And they really protected their

1157
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: backyard from a s U who was trying to go

1158
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: in there and um and and uh and proved that

1159
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: they could do this two years in a row. Um.

1160
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: You know that. And the fact that Jackson Dart was,

1161
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that they added on top of already

1162
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: having Miller moss Um, that was really big for them.

1163
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: And so I think that in the rich get richer.

1164
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, I was at the Fiesta Bowl and I heard, uh,

1165
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people talking about um thy

1166
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 1: Thompson and where he fits in, and they, you know,

1167
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: they didn't watch him as much as as I did.

1168
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody involved in covering pack Twell football

1169
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: and knows what they're talking about outside of a college

1170
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: coach more than I do. When it comes to thy Thompson.

1171
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: I've been watching him play in person for three years.

1172
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as ready made to go as

1173
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 1: everybody wants to make him out to pee. Um, but

1174
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: he is a very very special football player, very special

1175
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: and he could you know, I project really really special

1176
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: things for him. I just don't think it's gonna be

1177
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: next year. Um, But you know you, You and I

1178
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that Jonathan Flow we didn't know

1179
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: if he was going to be able to sign with

1180
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: Oregon or not, and he he did end up signing. Uh,

1181
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: they got him at the so he committed, he committed.

1182
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: He didn't sign yet. Though. Are you sure I thought

1183
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: they announced him. I thought that they announced him on

1184
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: the last day the early signing period, right before we

1185
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: took a little bit of a break. Huh. Let me

1186
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: look and see if he actually signed. Nope. Did they

1187
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: have him as a signing now, But how do you Yeah,

1188
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. I thought. I thought that I

1189
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: thought University of Oregon actually, like an ended up announcing

1190
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: him right as the deadline. Correct. Yes, so he was

1191
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: just to commit. So that means that he got his

1192
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: grades together, which is a good which is a good thing.

1193
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: So that's good for for him, because you don't want

1194
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: to get who is not going to qualify, you know,

1195
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: who is talented enough to qualify, Like I played in

1196
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: high school with guys like that. Yeah, and that sucks.

1197
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: And and so that the two schools right now that

1198
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm the most concerned about, well, number one is Stanford.

1199
01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: Far and away. Stanford is the most concerning recruiting glass

1200
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,879
Speaker 1: when you combine it with the fact that they probably

1201
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: aren't gonna get a ton of transfers because of the

1202
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: way that things work there, and that you might continue

1203
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: to see what you saw last year, which is people

1204
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: transferring out because they can't get into grad school among

1205
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: other reasons. And then you also saw a bunch of

1206
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: guys declare for the draft, which brings me to my

1207
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: next topic that I want to talk to you about.

1208
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: What in the absolute hell are some of these pack

1209
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: twelve players thinking going into the draft. And it's not

1210
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: all of them. Some of them are completely understandable. But George,

1211
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: what is going on? Like, Okay, let's just go through

1212
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: a few because and there's got to be a list somewhere,

1213
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: and I'll try to pull it up. And in the meantime,

1214
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run through some of these names with you,

1215
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: and some of them you you'll probably be fine with,

1216
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: especially based on some stuff you've already said on this podcast.

1217
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: But let's let's just start off with Gary Brightwell. Gary

1218
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: Brightwell declared for the NFL Draft. What do you think

1219
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: of that one? Gary bright I can't, Okay, So remember

1220
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: I make Gary Brightwell guy right, and I do believe

1221
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: that he is going to um that he can be

1222
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: a good NFL player. However, you do not get the

1223
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,560
Speaker 1: opportunity that you should as an undrafted player. I'm not

1224
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: even sure if he's gonna get a Combine invite, So

1225
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: you you put yourself behind the eight ball. If I

1226
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: were him, I would have rather transferred to some other

1227
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: place because everybody else is leaving Arizona may have transferred,

1228
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: like like going to the league is not your only option,

1229
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,799
Speaker 1: staying where you are or going somewhere else or should

1230
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: be all be explored before you press the nuclear button.

1231
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: The NFL is nuclear, and like there's no going back

1232
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: from there. Give yourself options. That's it. Yeah, So that

1233
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: that was That was one that I was really curious

1234
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: to see your take on because I felt like he

1235
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: was borderline. And I know that you think he could

1236
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: be really good. But even J. J. Taylor, who he's

1237
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: sort of a clone of, I think he did he

1238
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: either go on drafted or went into the seventh round

1239
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: to the Patriots, and that was with much more of

1240
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: a resume, and so that it's it's scary out there. Man.

1241
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: Here here's a couple of others I think you'll you'll

1242
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: find interesting. Stanford had a bunch. Um they had uh,

1243
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: Drew Dolman, Malik Antoine, Paul Sen Nadibo, and Davis Mills.

1244
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: And then of course that they're they're big Foster Sarah,

1245
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: who we just assumed that was probably gonna be the

1246
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: case for him anyway, because yeah, he's somebody who an

1247
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: NFL team is definitely gonna take a chance on. Um.

1248
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: But I was looking forward to watching Stanford play next year. Uh,

1249
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: and now I'm not so sure. Yeah, this, so you

1250
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: don't know who their quarterback because and and mind you

1251
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: they're already under the scholarship limit, like they came into

1252
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: the season, not at eight five, that came in closer

1253
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: to like seventy seventy two. Well, and I don't even

1254
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: think I said his name, Seemi Fahlco, who I thought

1255
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: was a really good college wide receiver. That was the

1256
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: one where I was like, man, I think he done.

1257
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: He gone, um, Well, okay, so how about somebody who

1258
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: had a pretty good body of work and I don't

1259
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: think was going to add to his resume, Jamar Jefferson

1260
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: from Oregon State. That made sense to me because if

1261
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: you weren't in love with him already. But the but

1262
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,879
Speaker 1: the difference is that sometimes the year makes a difference.

1263
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: Like if you have a bunch of big time backs

1264
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: coming out in your draft, then maybe you want to wait.

1265
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: But that doesn't seem to be the case this year.

1266
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't mind it. I don't mind it.

1267
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: I think that he's a kid who showed what he

1268
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: can do. All all his skills are on display. He

1269
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna have some some sort of Heisman caliber year.

1270
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: But you know, like if you do enough, like you like,

1271
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: you put yourself in a big time spot. So but

1272
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: but he wasn't gonna generate enough buzz surrounding him and

1273
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: his name to where people were going to, uh, you know,

1274
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden think he's a big time draft guy, like,

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: for instance, a name that has been who's a Heisman finalist,

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01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. But do you realize that this

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01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,839
Speaker 1: dude is not a top draft pick? Is Kyle Trask?

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01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: I've talked to a couple of GM I'm sorry, a

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: couple of scouts about it. They're like, this dudes like

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01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: a mid round pick. But but but people watching TV

1281
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: would think he's the next coming. But the dude's got

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01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: a noodle fore an arm, he doesn't like, he can't

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01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: do all the things. It's his wide receivers. He is

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01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: the Kin Dorsey of of quarterbacks. He's from that class

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01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: who was ultimately a six round draft pick. And um,

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01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's let's talk about your own my model.

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01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Brady Breeze. Let's talk about I mean,

1288
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: we we already know some of these guys right that

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01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: that they opted out of the season completely. So he

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01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: opted out because he thought that he had reached where

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01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: he his ceiling was. People were questioning his athleticism and

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01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: and all of that. So he wanted to train and

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: get better, faster, improve his numbers. And I'm like, yeah,

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01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: but you but you can prove that on the field, Like, yes,

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01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: if your numbers are great, people are still gonna say, oh,

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: he's stiff, he's this, he's that. But you know, people,

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01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: they get to make their choices. Sometimes it works out

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01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: for him and sometimes it doesn't. And we're we're saying,

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01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the two kids from Washington last year.

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01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: There two juniors, where where are they right now? Right?

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01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: And Washington? Washington surprised me because they, Um, you know,

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01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: they had uh Levi uh ons. Oh my god, I'm

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01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: a slaughter this. It's been six years. I covered him

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01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: in high school and I still can't say as were

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01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: reque On was the aique there we go? Um, but

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01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: Washington had quite a few. Um, Keith Taylor off off,

1307
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 1: the defense is is gone. Um, Elijah Molden. You know,

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01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: none of these are super controversial for me. Um. I

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01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: thought that the USC players that left. I think the

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01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: reason you go to USC is to put yourself in

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: a position to be able to go. So, you know

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01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: with the Vera Tucker and and uhum to a fl

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01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: A and all those guys, especially monros st Brown like,

1314
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: none of that surprises me. The ones that really like

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01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: shocked me were first of all, Sean Wright Oregon State.

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he had any business evening. I think

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01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,919
Speaker 1: he actually could have improved his stock. I thought hamilkar

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01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: Ratchet hurt his stock this year by not declaring last

1319
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: year and could have used approve it year. But he,

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01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, he he has it in his head that

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01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: he's been disrespected his entire college career, so he's gonna go. Um.

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01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: And then the one that has me scratching my head

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: the most is Frank Derby. Frank Darby was given a

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01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: gift by the n C double A to be able

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01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: to come back in a full season with a quarterback

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01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: as a junior who is a really special football player,

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01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: who really has developed a lot of chemistry with you um.

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: And he had six catches this year. Six And I

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01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: have never heard anybody look at Frank Derby and say

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01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: that guy is definitely uh NFL material. He's for sure

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01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted. And I guess the most canfusing thing

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01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: about it to me also is that his roommate is

1333
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: Chase Lucas, and Chase Lucas who had a great year

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01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: and and his a three year starter at or a

1335
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 1: four year starter My bad, he's a four year starter

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01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: at cornerback is actually coming back to a s U

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01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: to run it back one more time. Uh. And Frank Derby.

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01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Not only did Frank Derby declare, but he got signed

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01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: by Drew Rosenhouse. So what am I missing here? I

1340
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: don't know, Bro, I don't know. And especially in this

1341
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: pandemic time, I can't even tell you what people are

1342
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: thinking and what they're planning on doing in this situation. Um.

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01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: The last thing we have to talk about though, actually,

1344
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: are there are there any more guys that we need

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01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: to I mean that you, you and I could probably well.

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01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 1: First of all, uh Osa Dickey zoa from U C

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01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: l A. He he's leaving on a high note. I

1348
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: thought that was the right thing to do. Um telling

1349
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: o hafonga usc, I think he's leaving a high note.

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01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: That's the right thing to do. Dmitrich felt in the

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01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: same thing. Uh. Elijah Griffin is the interesting one to

1352
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: me because not only did Elijah Griffin declare. Um, he

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01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: did it right after probably making one of the dumbest

1354
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: plays I've ever seen in the history of college football. Yeah,

1355
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: and then after he declared, the response was from guys

1356
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: like Petros, who have a massive media following in the area,

1357
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: was to make fun of him, uh and his antics

1358
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: right after he declared. And so his reputation is terrible.

1359
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: He he his reputation is one of not being able

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01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: to read the room. And I felt that by declaring

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01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft, that was just a continuation of that. Umah.

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: I So Elijah Griffin, to me, is the one that

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: if we're going to talk about anybody, we should probably

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: bring his name up. Yeah, he's a penalty machine, Like,

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01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: he's clearly talented, funky. I don't think he's ready to

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01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: be an NFL player at this point in time. But

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01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, man, I just don't know

1368
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: who's advising these kids a lot of times. So so yeah,

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: you never know. Because and then there are guys that

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01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: I was sure. You know, there's a guy that left

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: the pack twelve, Bubba Bolden who's at Miami D percent sure, like,

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01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 1: not only is that guy physically ready, he should probably

1373
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: he should probably capitalize right now. And he put out

1374
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: a video today saying he's running it back. They're chasing

1375
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: a national championship at the U and I was like,

1376
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: well that that that's fascinating to me. You know, you

1377
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: you never know what somebody's going through or what what

1378
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: what it is they're trying to accomplish. But I can't

1379
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: imagine that with every single year there's a trend of

1380
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: people who leave early, never get drafted, never even sniff

1381
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: the nfl um that that those people don't have some

1382
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: way to communicate to the kids who are on the

1383
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: teams now or aren't used as poster boys by the

1384
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: programs who are trying to keep some of these people in. Uh.

1385
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: I can't. I just can't imagine that there is a

1386
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: lack of warning signs out there for these kids. But

1387
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: everybody wants to believe that they're the best, and that's

1388
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: part of the competitive spirit, right. Everybody wants to believe

1389
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: that they're the best and they're ready. And I don't know, Man,

1390
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: you left early, Uh you had you your your draft

1391
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: stock fell a little bit, You went way after you

1392
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna go. You made a career out

1393
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: of it. Anyway. But let's say that somebody's projected to

1394
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: be a fifth rounder and they don't get drafted. That's

1395
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: much different than your situation. Yeah, yep, so okay, So

1396
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 1: and I'm a kid who left early, while I'm no

1397
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: longer a kid, but I left early, and I left

1398
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: early with a third down grade and like a two

1399
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: to two to three grade ended up getting drafted at

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01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: the beginning of the fourth fourth round. There They said

1401
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: I had character issues all of this stuff, even though

1402
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: I had never been in trouble. But they were like

1403
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: the people that you hang around. So so, so here

1404
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: here's how it worked. So I get the desire to

1405
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: leave early, but you have to like not just say, oh,

1406
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it in the league. You have to

1407
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: say I'm because they don't understand that when you don't

1408
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: come to when you don't come in the NFL with

1409
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: a high draft stock, well high draft status, it lowers

1410
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: your leash, It lowers the opportunity that you have to

1411
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: make teams, it lowers the opportunity that you have for

1412
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: every single thing. It's a disaster, dude. Like it's not

1413
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 1: even like if you're a six round draft pick and

1414
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: you roll an ankle, you may get cut as it

1415
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: because you can't practice and some undrafted guys bawling. Or

1416
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: if you're a second round draft pick or a first

1417
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: round draft pick and you rolling rolling ankle, they say,

1418
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: oh man, I can't can't wait till this guy gets

1419
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: gets healthy. He's gonna be a contributor for us. That's

1420
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: the difference. And then if you don't play well your

1421
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: first year and you're a first round draft pick or

1422
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: a second round draft pick, even a third and you're

1423
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: just kind of you're you're not doing terrible, but you're

1424
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: just doing okay, they're gonna be like, oh man, we

1425
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: gotta find a coach to develop this kid, like they

1426
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: blamed on the coaching. Then instead of you like you

1427
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 1: have to be ultimate sabboteaur like um like the kid

1428
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: out of Washington for to get out of the league

1429
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: before your second year as a first round draft pick,

1430
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: like it's it's some crazy stat like seventy five, like

1431
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: sixty five, or all first round draft picks end up

1432
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: in their end up getting completing five years in the NFL. Right,

1433
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: But then everybody looks to the everybody looks to the

1434
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: one or two guys who did it. And they take

1435
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: them as the the example and not the UH and

1436
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: not the exception. Yeah, we'll see, Like, well, those are

1437
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: the same people that will tell you that stars don't

1438
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: matter in recruiting. They don't matter on an individual basis,

1439
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: but when you look at the group or a collective,

1440
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: the numbers are accurate. Yeah, so I I know what

1441
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I just earlier tonight. Um, and this

1442
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: might not have been this person's intent, but it's definitely

1443
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: what popped up in my mind. I said. These were

1444
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the five wide receivers ranked above Heisman winner Davante Smith

1445
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: in the class of number one Donovan People's Jones, went

1446
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: sixth round of the Browns last year. Number two t Higgins,

1447
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: who second round of the Bengals last year. Number three

1448
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy who went first round to the Broncos last year.

1449
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Travon Grimes, who's entering the NFL Draft after transferring from

1450
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: Auburn to Florida and having sort of a mediocre UH

1451
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: collegiate career. He did have nine touchdowns last year. And

1452
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: then d J. Matthews, who was at Florida State for

1453
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: three years before sitting out this year due to transfer rules,

1454
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: and he'll be at University of Indiana next year, and

1455
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: one of the replies was way down in the back

1456
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: of the basement, there's a two star recruit named Justin

1457
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Jefferson Vikings, first round pick of the NFL record holder

1458
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: for most receiving yards by rookie. Like awesome, Like that's

1459
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: that is? You see all the other guy's names who

1460
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: were actually called and then think about all the two

1461
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 1: all the guys who were ranked below Davante Smith, all

1462
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: the way down to when you get to Jamar Jefferson right,

1463
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: like and that that's the exception. That's a really and

1464
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean and and like I think the number ten

1465
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 1: guy was like ceedee lamb or something like that. Like

1466
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: it is four and five stars, you have a pretty

1467
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: good chance of doing something um, really really special. Uh,

1468
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, because all of the physical tools are already there.

1469
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: You know, Justin Jefferson six to one seventy five. That's

1470
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,879
Speaker 1: a dime a dozen. You know, you have to develop

1471
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: a lot of really really great school uh tools and instincts. Now,

1472
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: should have he been a two star? No? Like this

1473
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: does rivals? You know, do we deserve to get made

1474
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: fun of for that one? Yes? But he also got

1475
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,759
Speaker 1: a scholarship to l s U like that there's probably

1476
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 1: something more there that we don't necessarily like. We probably

1477
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: just failed to evaluate him or have the opportunity to

1478
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: evaluate him, because if l s U picked him up

1479
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: and put him on scholarship, then there's a really good

1480
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: chance that at least somebody knew what they were talking about,

1481
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, because I remember I went viral and I

1482
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: didn't intend to, but I went viral for a tweet

1483
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: about how l s U was Tyron matthews only offer.

1484
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: And the reason I went virals because Tyron Matthew searches

1485
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 1: his own name on Twitter and he he tweeted it

1486
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: out right. So I had probably like three hundred people

1487
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 1: in my reply saying, yeah, that's because he committed early,

1488
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: you idiot. And my point was not that he was overlooked.

1489
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: My point was that it only takes one school to

1490
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: believe in you, and my audience is high school kids. Also,

1491
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I work for rivals, so I'm not gonna say that

1492
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: like rankings are bad or whatever. And also he was

1493
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: like a four star, so that it wasn't. People definitely

1494
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:38,560
Speaker 1: took it the wrong, wrong, wrong way. Um, But the

1495
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: moral of the story is you with Justin Jefferson. He

1496
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: ended up at l s U and playing for a

1497
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:50,560
Speaker 1: national championship team. Like there was something there. It's just that,

1498
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, we missed the boat on it somehow. Yep,

1499
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: those things happen, and those things are outliers. Um. The

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01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: last thing that we have talked about is the Pack

1501
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: twelve Awards. So we had the um the where are

1502
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: that the I pulled them? Okay, the Pack twelve Awards,

1503
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you had Jared Brussard, when Offensive Player of the Year,

1504
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman, Defensive Player of the Year, Uh Tellnoah Halfunga

1505
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: from USC who I think he's a good player, but

1506
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: I think that his I don't think that he's going

1507
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: to get the NFL love like like people think he

1508
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 1: reminds me of Darnell being from USC where he's a

1509
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: really good tackler. He's fast, but his coverage he's not

1510
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: good in coverage. Like he's not good in coverage, um um.

1511
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: And then Freshman of the Year, Freshman Offensive Player of

1512
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: the Year Ty Jordan from Utah, which is a sad,

1513
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: sad story. UM. Defensive Player of the Year freshman is

1514
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: Noah Seul and Coach of the Year is Carl Dorelle

1515
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 1: from Colorado. Okay, I just have wait, what what the

1516
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 1: hell is next Tiva? Uh, it's it's like a Pacific

1517
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: seafood they have, they have a sponsor for the awards

1518
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: that they get out. Okay, so all of the Pack

1519
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: twelve awards are not a television network, are sponsored by

1520
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: next presented by next Tiva, except for the Pat Tillman

1521
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. I just google because it's

1522
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: a next Tiva is a voice over internet protocol company

1523
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: based in Scottsdale, Arizona, on the area of cloud based

1524
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: communication in use by a hundred and fifty thousand businesses. Okay,

1525
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: so I think the thing. So somebody's gonna see that

1526
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: Carl Durrell won Coach of the Year and they're gonna

1527
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna call up next Eva and say, I want

1528
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: my business to use your phone cloud services. Thanks back

1529
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: twelve exactly, dude. It looks it looks terrible right now.

1530
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't even make makes sense. But anyways, did you

1531
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: have any problem with any of those? Oh? No way, no,

1532
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't say that like it's perfect. But

1533
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: there's nothing about the major awards that they gave out

1534
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: that are uh that that I felt there was any

1535
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: glaring exclusions. I think my biggest issue was that, like,

1536
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, based on what you know, the

1537
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: fact that we're acting like this is a normal year

1538
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: feels a lot weirder than than anything else to me. Um,

1539
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Jerry Prusary did some really special

1540
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: stuff and they had a little bit more of a

1541
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: body of work. Um. Yeah, I don't know. I'm pretty

1542
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,919
Speaker 1: okay with it. Uh. They specially nailed the freshman Offensive

1543
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: and Defensive Player of the Year and the Coach of

1544
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 1: the Year thing. Um, you and I talked about I

1545
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: think back and forth on Twitter when somebody had thrown

1546
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: uh Mario Crystal Ball's name into the mix for like

1547
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 1: a national award, and it was like, no, this is

1548
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: this is Carl Durette, Like they were not allowed to practice.

1549
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: He wasn't he hadn't even met the team. Yet they

1550
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: outshined expectations. They took a game on short notice and

1551
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: beat San Diego State, who had been a Pack twelve

1552
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:48,560
Speaker 1: thorn in the ass right like that. No, Like Colorado

1553
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 1: definitely deserved the shine here, and so I'm that's the one.

1554
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad about that I'm really glad that that they

1555
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 1: gave Carl Darell that recognition. I thought that was really important.

1556
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 1: He's a two time Packed twelve Coach of the Year.

1557
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: Now that's why, isn't it yep? Um? Okay, So I

1558
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: didn't have any problem with any of the awards. I

1559
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have given him to anybody else. Um my only

1560
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: qual Okay, So, but what did you think about some

1561
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: of the All Conference teams? Because the team, I mean

1562
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: even John Wilner talks about it, so does Can Kenzano.

1563
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: Somebody clearly hates Oregon. The other coaches have animosity against

1564
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: Oregon because they don't get very many players on the

1565
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 1: All Conference team. And it's weird. It is very very weird.

1566
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: It's possible there's a couple of Oregon issues on here.

1567
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: Like was was michail right really that much better than

1568
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: Diamado or Lenore this year? I don't think so. I

1569
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: definitely I do not feel that to be the case. Um. Also,

1570
01:37:58,200 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: they gave no a Seul Freshman of the Year, but

1571
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: he's not on the first or second team defense. No,

1572
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: how crazy is that? I mean, that was the that

1573
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: was the same thing like last year. Um, the kid

1574
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 1: Drake from USC he was on the All conference team.

1575
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: But then a Thibodeau one freshman and he was like

1576
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: behind Drake, right we had talked about yeah yeah, and

1577
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: you're like, how though house Way. Yeah, I don't know.

1578
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Like again, it's such a weird year that it's hard

1579
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: for me to really take exception with it. I can

1580
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: point out a couple of things I thought they did right,

1581
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Like um Zion two below for two from from Washington

1582
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: deserved to be on first team and they had him there.

1583
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Oh so Dicky Zoa, he deserves to be on on

1584
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: first team and they had him there. So I like that.

1585
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: Um Isaiah Polamun not even making second team defense was

1586
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: stupid in my opinion. Um Uh Jermaine Lolay not making

1587
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: second team defense was a little bit weird for me.

1588
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Chris Chris Steele making it as a dB from US

1589
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,879
Speaker 1: absolutely not. No, he was like he was a detriment

1590
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: hell like Chris Steel making it over Isaiah pull him

1591
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: out is nonsense. I was like, what stop it, Magnet? Yeah, yeah,

1592
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: so I thought that that was wild. I thought I

1593
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: was like, how does he make this team? My favorite

1594
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: honoree though, you have to love that Jet Toner got

1595
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: second team kicker after missing four straight field goals. Yeah,

1596
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: like good for him, right, Like that's the first four kicks,

1597
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 1: and then you're like, okay, well there wasn't much competition.

1598
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: And I do also I appreciate that the Pack twelve

1599
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: added a second um, a second tight end to the

1600
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: second team because the tight ends. Probably the best position

1601
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: group in the Pack twelve this year is running back,

1602
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 1: but the tight ends were pretty close. Like there were

1603
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: a lot of really good tight ends, which reminds me

1604
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about Hunter Camp Bowyer declaring holy hell, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1605
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: he's more I'm done playing football kind of okay, like

1606
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: and and if and if I get picked out or

1607
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 1: like if I get a chance to build a camp. Yeah,

1608
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: but he's not. He's not like, oh, like I'm going

1609
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: to the NFL. No, he's like, I'm done playing football

1610
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: in college, graduated. I'm done. What do you think of

1611
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: the fact that there is not a single University of

1612
01:40:52,479 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: Arizona player on here? Um? I think Anthony Pandy and

1613
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: Roy Lopez were okay that they could have they could

1614
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: have found a way to squeeze one of them on here.

1615
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah, who who are you going to

1616
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 1: put in? Yeah? Yeah, I see. Um, I don't know.

1617
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:23,440
Speaker 1: They did the best they could in under the circumstances.

1618
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't I think this what's funny is this might

1619
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: have been the one of the better jobs they've ever

1620
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: done with it. Uh and it came with a complete

1621
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 1: lack of information available. Um. But yeah, I I don't know.

1622
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: There there's a couple of there's definitely a couple of

1623
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 1: a s U players that that deserved a little bit

1624
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: more recognition. In my opinion, Evan Fields led the entire

1625
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: team and tackles. Um, he was just an honorable mention.

1626
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Rashad White's numbers were crazy, but they only played in

1627
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: four games, So what are you gonna do? Um? I

1628
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know, though U c l A played well. Here's

1629
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:03,520
Speaker 1: an interesting one to me is DTR second team quarterback?

1630
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 1: Only three quarterbacks are honored. Did DTR deserve to be

1631
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: on there above um anybody else? I guess what was

1632
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: there anybody within the conference as a quarterback? I mean

1633
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: probably if if you're gonna look at the numbers, right like,

1634
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna look at numbers, then you would have

1635
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: to say even I wasn't in love with how how

1636
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: he played. Tyler Shug clearly had the numbers to be

1637
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 1: on a pack twelve ball conferencing. And I would throw

1638
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 1: Sam Norrier off there. I mean granted that that that

1639
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 1: could be. That could be because I saw the the

1640
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: Utah game and the ball game, so that could be that.

1641
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm giving you that he played better in the beginning

1642
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: of the season, so I could have some recency by is.

1643
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's where Yeah, so I would know, like,

1644
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: there's no Davis Mills on here. That's crazy. Yeah, and

1645
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 1: oh oh duh, And I would I would throw Sam

1646
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: Noyer off and put Davis Mills on. Um Dorrian Thompson

1647
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: Robinson played okay. I mean also he also had his

1648
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: own fans telling him that his backup was better than

1649
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 1: him for a good part of the year. Yeah, and

1650
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: they were wrong. And I said it for like thirty

1651
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: seconds too, but it was more like like funny ha

1652
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: ha M. I don't know. It's not bad, it's not bad.

1653
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: I feel bad that Washington State didn't have more games,

1654
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 1: so I think they'd probably be better represented, especially Treville Harris.

1655
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: Treville Harris had a really good early portion of the year,

1656
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 1: and he I thought you got no love and is

1657
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: your guy my Hammicker. Yep, but he had a terrible

1658
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 1: year to about that. You didn't tell you didn't tell

1659
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: me anything. You didn't I said, he's okay, Yeah, he's

1660
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: not a game he's an edge rusher. That's you can't

1661
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: You can only be a game changer as an edge

1662
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 1: rusher if you have the DBS and the d line

1663
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: to support your skill set. He should have probably left.

1664
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: He should have left. Yeah, but I don't know, so

1665
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: we'll see. I could see him probably going undrafted unfortunately.

1666
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: He but he's also a guy that could put in

1667
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: like absolutely ridiculous workout numbers. So you never know how

1668
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 1: that that and and that could be the ultimate deciding

1669
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: factor for a lot of these NFL teams because there's

1670
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: just not a ton of other stuff to go off of.

1671
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I don't know. Did we say enough

1672
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: things about Washington in this podcast or do we have

1673
01:44:58,400 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: to say like two or three more nice things? So

1674
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: don't care, beat up man. We need some reviews. We

1675
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: need some reviews, and we got we got Washington fan

1676
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,640
Speaker 1: listeners that listen to the show, so we said we

1677
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 1: can bribe them. Do we have any new reviews. We

1678
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: we we, we did not have any new reviews from

1679
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 1: the break of us not doing any shows. Oh well

1680
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: that would that would kind of make sense, right, So

1681
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: you guys, yeah, leave your reviews and you guys are

1682
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: listening to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. Thank you guys

1683
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: for listening. Um, please share with a friends, tell a

1684
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,480
Speaker 1: friend about it. Peace out, Catch you guys next episode.

1685
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 1: All right, hold on, hold on real quick, let me

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