WEBVTT - Tech News: Freedom From Algorithms

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech. This time for the

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<v Speaker 1>tech news for Tuesday, November nine, twenty twenty one. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to it. In the United States, lawmakers in the

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<v Speaker 1>House of Representatives have introduced a bill that would require

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<v Speaker 1>companies that use algorithms to determine what users see to

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<v Speaker 1>offer up an alternative algorithm light version. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>a company like Meta slash Facebook would have to give

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<v Speaker 1>people the option to opt out of the algorithm driven

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<v Speaker 1>methodology that the company relies upon. Now, the idea behind

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<v Speaker 1>this is that it would let users choose a path

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<v Speaker 1>less likely to fill up their news feeds with the

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<v Speaker 1>type of material that quote unquote drives engagement, since we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen time and time again that a lot of bad

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<v Speaker 1>actors have taken advantage of that approach to spread misinformation

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<v Speaker 1>and hate speech and other awful stuff. This comes on

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<v Speaker 1>the heels of the Francis Hogan hearings, in which the

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<v Speaker 1>former Facebook employee shared her observations about the company's practices

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<v Speaker 1>and She asserted that these practices are harmful on a

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<v Speaker 1>really broad scale, not just two people individually, but potentially

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<v Speaker 1>to big stuff like the concept of democracy itself. The

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<v Speaker 1>bill is worded in a way that says companies would

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<v Speaker 1>need to create an quote input transparent algorithm end quote,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that the platform wouldn't use any user data to

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<v Speaker 1>determine what that user sees, so theoretically get a more

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<v Speaker 1>generic experien oriants in that regard. One way this might

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<v Speaker 1>manifest is a true reverse chronological order of posts. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>you would see the most recent posts at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of your feed, and then you would work down to

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<v Speaker 1>progressively older posts, you know, the way a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>folks preferred Facebook before the company made that choice harder

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<v Speaker 1>and harder to find and ultimately watered it down with

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<v Speaker 1>an algorithmic approach. If this bill becomes law, it could

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<v Speaker 1>have a massive impact on Facebook's business. The company depends

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<v Speaker 1>heavily on promoting material that gets a lot of engagement

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<v Speaker 1>because that keeps people on the platform longer. That therefore

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook has more time to sell more ads, essentially to

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<v Speaker 1>display more ads to users, and thus they make way

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<v Speaker 1>more money through advertising. Any regulations that would impact that

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially lead to people spending less time on the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Facebook would make money, which I assure you

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<v Speaker 1>the company is not super keen on doing so. If

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<v Speaker 1>this bill does pass, I can almost guarantee that, unless

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<v Speaker 1>it is otherwise mandated by the law, Facebook will make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that this option to switch to the transparent algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>approach will be buried deep in options so that the

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<v Speaker 1>average person isn't likely to go looking for it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is an interesting approach, and one I

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<v Speaker 1>happen to think is is a pretty decent idea, at

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<v Speaker 1>least on the surface. I also imagine it won't stop

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's critics from advocating for the company to get broken up.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a conversation I suspect will continue. The US

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Trade Commission, or FTC will soon send around sixty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars to more than a hundred forty thousand drivers

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<v Speaker 1>for Amazon. So why is that happening? Well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>because Amazon US illegally withholding tips that the drivers had

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<v Speaker 1>earned from customers between to twenty nineteen. The FTC sued

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon earlier this year over the matter, saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>company was regularly holding back tips that customers had opted

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<v Speaker 1>to give drivers through you know apps and web based services. Further,

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<v Speaker 1>the FTC said that Amazon only stopped doing this once

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<v Speaker 1>they became aware that the FTC was investigating them. Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately settled this case out of court and agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>return all the money it had stolen from drivers, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would also stop obfuse skating how much the drivers

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<v Speaker 1>were making. Also, the company can't change how tips are

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<v Speaker 1>factored into driver compensation without first acquiring drivers informed consent

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<v Speaker 1>on the matter due to terms of the settlement. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the FTC, the largest payout to an individual driver

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't believe this, it's an excess of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight thousand dollars. Now, the average payout is closer to

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<v Speaker 1>four d twenty two dollars. But let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>that twenty eight large for a second. Imagine, just for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, that you found out your employer had effectively

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<v Speaker 1>stolen twenty eight thousand dollars from you, that you had

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<v Speaker 1>earned that money, but your employer took it for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>That is beyond unacceptable. I mean it's absolutely crazy. Right Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>drivers who received checks and that would be one nine thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred seven of the drivers, they should deposit or

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<v Speaker 1>cash those checks before January seven, twenty two. The remaining

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<v Speaker 1>drivers are actually receiving their payouts the paypals, so they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about that. If a driver receives

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<v Speaker 1>more than six hundred dollars, they will also receive than

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<v Speaker 1>I R S. Form ten to fill out because they

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<v Speaker 1>have to declare that on taxes, but that should actually

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<v Speaker 1>affect fewer than twenty thousand of the more than one drivers. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I am glad to hear that the drivers will finally

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<v Speaker 1>be getting the money they earned, and glad that for

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<v Speaker 1>once we're seeing a big company held accountable for screwing

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<v Speaker 1>over the workers that that company employs. Speaking of companies

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<v Speaker 1>that are being held accountable, it's time to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla again. So you might remember that last month the

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<v Speaker 1>company rolled out an update to Tesla owners who are

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<v Speaker 1>participating in the beta program for the so called full

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<v Speaker 1>self driving feature. And once again I remind you that

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<v Speaker 1>full self driving is in fact a misleading phrase because

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<v Speaker 1>it is not actually a fully autonomous mode. Anyway, that

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<v Speaker 1>rollout ended up causing dangerous problems as Tesla vehicles were

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<v Speaker 1>autonomously miss and mistakenly interpreting a potential frontal collision even

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<v Speaker 1>if there were no cars or any other obstacles in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the vehicles. They were saying, WHOA, We're about

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<v Speaker 1>to collide with something and there was nothing there. That

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<v Speaker 1>then prompted the cars to engage the brakes to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>this so called collision, and it made the Tesla's practically undrivable.

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<v Speaker 1>Owners reported this issue. Some people even took videos of

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<v Speaker 1>what it was like trying to drive the car with

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<v Speaker 1>this mode enabled, and they showed how the car would

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<v Speaker 1>spontaneously detect a potential collision in perfectly safe conditions and

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<v Speaker 1>then slam on the brakes, and obviously that act would

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<v Speaker 1>then constitute an actual dangerous situation, potentially leading to rear

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<v Speaker 1>end collisions if someone were following that Tesla and they

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<v Speaker 1>were going at a good clip. The company hastily rolled

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<v Speaker 1>back this update, and Elon Musk tweeted out the equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of Hey, these things happen. It's software had it's a

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<v Speaker 1>beta program and essentially brushed it off, but Tesla. The

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<v Speaker 1>company subsequently filed a recall notice with the National Highway

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<v Speaker 1>Traffic Safety Administration or the n h t s A

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<v Speaker 1>a government authority that obviously oversees stuff like safety issues

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<v Speaker 1>with highways and roads. So why did Tesla actually issue

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<v Speaker 1>the recall if they had already rolled back the update. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was because the nh T s A has been

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<v Speaker 1>taking a more aggressive approach in investigating and regulating self

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<v Speaker 1>driving vehicles recently, and Tesla has been the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>some scrutiny. The n h T s A had already

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<v Speaker 1>reprimanded Tesla, saying that the company has to actually follow protocol.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to operate within the boundaries of laws and

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<v Speaker 1>regulations for vehicles instead of just playing more fast and

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<v Speaker 1>loose like a typical Silicon Valley company. If a software

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<v Speaker 1>company rolls back a patch, that might be frustrating, right

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<v Speaker 1>if a patch ens up making things worse for your

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<v Speaker 1>software and then they roll it back. But for car

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<v Speaker 1>companies this is really a matter of safety. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if my copy of Diablo gets rolled back, I might

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<v Speaker 1>lose some data, but with cars, we're talking about life

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<v Speaker 1>or death kind of stuff. Anyway, Tesla, the company has

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<v Speaker 1>started to change its ways conforming to these requirements, but

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<v Speaker 1>not without Elon complaining about it and sicking rabid Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>fans On regulators. Classy guy that Elon Musk also classy folks,

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<v Speaker 1>those rabid Tesla fans cheese. I suspect this isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to convince the government to adopt a more lenient approach

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<v Speaker 1>to Tesla, because Elon Musk is really good at rilling

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<v Speaker 1>people and organizations and governments up. And while we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Musk, let's also mention his ongoing complaints about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>having to pay taxes like a common person. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that thing that billionaires really hate to do. There's

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<v Speaker 1>been an increased push to in increased taxes to billionaires.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the people who can obviously afford to pay

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<v Speaker 1>taxes the most, but are also the least inclined to

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<v Speaker 1>do so. And Musk is no exception to the rule

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<v Speaker 1>that these ultra rich folks really just don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>part way is with even a fraction of their billions. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Musk tweeted out a pole recently, and he wrote, quote

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<v Speaker 1>much is made lately of unrealized gains being a means

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<v Speaker 1>of tax avoidance. So I propose selling of my test

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<v Speaker 1>less stock. Do you support this? End quote? Nearly fifty

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<v Speaker 1>of the respondents said yes. Nowhere yet on if Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk has followed through with this. He said he would,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least when I have gone to record, that

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<v Speaker 1>had not yet been reported. However, if he did sell

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<v Speaker 1>that off, based upon the closing price for Testlas stock

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, it would have meant he would have been

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<v Speaker 1>selling around twenty one billion with a b dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>of stock. Yawza. Also, the whole thing appeared to affect

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla's stock value because the price of Tesla's stock declined

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<v Speaker 1>by five percent. And I think this is yet another

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<v Speaker 1>example of Elon Musk's messaging having a potentially massive impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the market. We've seen it before, where he tweets

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<v Speaker 1>something and then we see a massive move in the market.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that says a lot about Musk's influence. It

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<v Speaker 1>also says a lot about his lack of concern about

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<v Speaker 1>how much influence he has, and it probably it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty decent argument about you know why, the stock market

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<v Speaker 1>is sometimes just a big old dumb psychological experiment. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>over time, the market typically will correct itself as long

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<v Speaker 1>as there is enough time for it to do so,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lack of interference, but really this does

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<v Speaker 1>nail home that we humans are emotional and often irrational

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<v Speaker 1>creatures that can do a lot of harm without a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of effort. The Washington Post most reports that the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli military has been employing facial recognition technology in a

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<v Speaker 1>widespread surveillance campaign targeting Palestinians in the West Bank region.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of an initiative called Blue Wolf, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to the Post, it involves the Israeli military taking photos

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<v Speaker 1>of Palestinians and those photos go into a large database

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<v Speaker 1>of images, and the Blue Wolf system looks for matches

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<v Speaker 1>in its database and then sends a signal to the

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers phone, and the phone will flash a color to

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<v Speaker 1>the soldier indicating whether the person in the image should

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<v Speaker 1>be left alone or if the soldiers should detain that

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<v Speaker 1>person or even arrest them. Apparently, the military created incentives

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<v Speaker 1>for soldiers to participate in this program, getting them to

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<v Speaker 1>take thousands of photos of Palestinians in the process. There

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<v Speaker 1>were even competitions for soldiers where they could win prizes

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<v Speaker 1>if they took the most photos within a given amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time. The system also interconnects with closed circuit UH

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<v Speaker 1>security cameras. Those are found throughout the West Bank region.

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<v Speaker 1>There in, in fact, are some of these cameras that

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<v Speaker 1>aim at or into homes of Palestinians, So to call

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<v Speaker 1>this invasive would be understating things to the extreme. And

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there were incentives for soldiers to be

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<v Speaker 1>active participants in this really makes me think of the

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<v Speaker 1>awful stop and frisk policy that we used to see

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City not that long ago, in which

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<v Speaker 1>police officers effectively had quotas they were expected to meet

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<v Speaker 1>when it came to just stopping random citizens and frisking them,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to disproportionate targeting of non white citizens. And

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<v Speaker 1>as always, we have to remember that facial recognition technology

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<v Speaker 1>is far from perfect. So even if you roll it

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<v Speaker 1>out in a way that isn't you know, authoritarian and scary,

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<v Speaker 1>the technology still makes mistakes and when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like deciding if someone should be detained or arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>that really becomes a dystopian nightmare. After that one, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we all could use a little bit of a break,

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<v Speaker 1>So we will be back after these short messages. We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So the brokerage company robin Hood, which is known primarily

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<v Speaker 1>as a fee free company that allows the average person

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<v Speaker 1>to invest in you know. The stock market has recently

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<v Speaker 1>announced that hackers had breached corporate systems and gained access

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<v Speaker 1>to the personal information of around five million customers. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>most of them, it was just their email addresses. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the hackers were also able to see the full names

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<v Speaker 1>of around two million robin Hood customers and apparently for

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<v Speaker 1>a lucky three d robin Hood customers. The hackers also

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<v Speaker 1>saw more personal information like there's zip code and their

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<v Speaker 1>birth date and other stuff. Now, robin Hood says that

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<v Speaker 1>the more sensitive information stuff like social security numbers or

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<v Speaker 1>bank account numbers or debit card numbers, those were not

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<v Speaker 1>part of this breach, so it definitely could have been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot worse. And apparently the hackers were able to

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<v Speaker 1>gain access through the tried and true method of social engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>which essentially is a fancy way of saying they tricked

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<v Speaker 1>someone into letting them in. So in this case, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like they fooled a customer support representative at robin

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<v Speaker 1>Hood to grant them access to the system. The classic

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing this, by the way, is that you

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<v Speaker 1>pose as I T and that you need access to

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<v Speaker 1>a system in order to install an update or otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>do some sort of maintenance, and you trick someone into

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<v Speaker 1>giving you that level of access. You know, obviously from

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<v Speaker 1>a hacker standpoint, what you're aiming for is administrator level access.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes, you know, you just take what you can get.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems to be the case with robin Hood in

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<v Speaker 1>this instant. So that's a classic way of getting access

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<v Speaker 1>to a system. It doesn't require you to set it

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<v Speaker 1>a keyboard and just randomly guess at passwords, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that's how we typically see it in like Hollywood productions,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't often see the social engineering side. Some shows

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<v Speaker 1>and movies do that, but most of the time it's

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<v Speaker 1>the whole No, it's not that no, it's not that oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it, which I mean, if it were that easy,

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<v Speaker 1>then nothing would be safe. It's not that easy. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way. You might also remember robin Hood as the

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<v Speaker 1>company that was heavily criticized when individual investors wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in game Stop stock as part of a hedge

0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.800
<v Speaker 1>fund squeeze campaign, and then they found that robin Hood,

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<v Speaker 1>the supposed brokerage for the people, had put the brakes

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<v Speaker 1>on that activity, saying that they didn't want to encourage

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<v Speaker 1>market volatility and such, whereas the critics were saying that

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Hood had corporate ties with individuals who had a

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<v Speaker 1>financial stake in game Stop stock going down. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember that story, game Stop stock had been trading

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<v Speaker 1>it around twenty dollars a share for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh, after months of enthusiasm, we saw more

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<v Speaker 1>investors individual investors start to buy up game Stop stock,

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<v Speaker 1>which drove the price up. At last I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>with some trading it somewhere around two nineteen dollars, so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ten times as valuable as it was a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. Pretty incredible. But the whole reason

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<v Speaker 1>for that, or at least one of the reasons for that,

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<v Speaker 1>was that there were these hedge funds that had recommended

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<v Speaker 1>short selling the stock, which hinges on a stock price

0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.160
<v Speaker 1>going down. With the stock price going up, it ended

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<v Speaker 1>up putting the squeeze on these hedge funds. Anyway, just

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<v Speaker 1>another fun story in the in the history of Robin Hood.

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<v Speaker 1>In other hacker news, a group called fail overflow announced

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<v Speaker 1>it had uncovered the root keys for PS five encryption,

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<v Speaker 1>that is, the Sony PlayStation five. Now what does that

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<v Speaker 1>actually mean. Well, let's suss this out, so consoles when

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<v Speaker 1>you boil them down, video game consoles are just specialized computers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that I recommend you boil a video game console

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<v Speaker 1>or any other computer for that matter, because that will

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<v Speaker 1>definitely violate your warranty. But computers run software, right However,

0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.639
<v Speaker 1>video game consoles typically have protections in place, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just run any software you like on them. You

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<v Speaker 1>can only run the stuff that the company allows you

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<v Speaker 1>to run on them, so you can run specific software

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<v Speaker 1>like games. So it's a gated community in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>and the company behind the video game console controls gate access,

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<v Speaker 1>but the encryption keys, the root keys, are essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>way to fool the gate into thinking you're the authorized

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<v Speaker 1>identity that can come and go as you please. That

0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.399
<v Speaker 1>means you could potentially run other types of software on

0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:16.040
<v Speaker 1>this console once you unlock it. Now to me, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like the fail overflow group is really your classic

0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.160
<v Speaker 1>hacker group. These are people who wonder how systems actually work,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they figure it out, and then they learn

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<v Speaker 1>how they can exploit those systems. You know, but by exploit,

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<v Speaker 1>I really mean they just use it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that was not the way the creators intended. So running

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<v Speaker 1>home brew software and a console doesn't have to involve

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like pirating games, for example, And in fact, fail

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<v Speaker 1>overflow has made statements that make me think that the

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<v Speaker 1>hacker group really doesn't want to encourage piracy at all,

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<v Speaker 1>just the opposite. In fact, however, the group also acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>that the majority of people who would actually use root

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<v Speaker 1>keys would likely be doing so in order to pirate games.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps for that reason, the group is not publishing the

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<v Speaker 1>root keys. Oh so they have participated in the past

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<v Speaker 1>and finding bugs in Sony platforms and and earning money

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that way, because a lot of companies will pay out

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<v Speaker 1>essentially a bug bounty. In this case, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder that security systems are not perfect and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not infallible. And this would be an argument that Sony

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<v Speaker 1>had put in a maybe not a weak encryption scheme,

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<v Speaker 1>but not the strongest that they could. Like, if it

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.399
<v Speaker 1>is something that is breakable, that's not great. It shows

0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:46.640
<v Speaker 1>a weakness, and that's not necessarily meant to exploit that weakness,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather perhaps an indication to the company, Hey, the

0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.480
<v Speaker 1>way you did this was not very good. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to do better. Ransomware attacks have been on the rise

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<v Speaker 1>for the last couple of years, and the hacker group

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<v Speaker 1>REvil is one of several that have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>news lately. The U s Department of Justice recently announced

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<v Speaker 1>that it had arrested someone alleged to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Revill gang. This would be a Ukrainian man named

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<v Speaker 1>Yaroslav Vazynski. Polish authorities detained Vezynski in October because US

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<v Speaker 1>authorities had issued an indictment against Vizynski way back in August,

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<v Speaker 1>and Vazynski now faces extradition hearings which could see him

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<v Speaker 1>transferred to the United States to stand for trial for

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<v Speaker 1>cyber crimes. In addition, the d o J announced that

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<v Speaker 1>it had seized more than six million dollars in assets

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<v Speaker 1>believed to be linked to Revil's ransomware activities. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>money did not come from Vezynski's accounts. Instead, they came

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<v Speaker 1>from a Russian named Yavigny paulian In. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>I've butchered the name. You don't have to let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, But it was a different member of REvil,

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<v Speaker 1>or alleged member I should say of REvil. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was also indicted in August. He remains at large, so

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<v Speaker 1>he has not been taken into custody. Zynski is the

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<v Speaker 1>third of Revil's alleged members to be arrested. They could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially face a prison sentence of up to one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years if they were convicted on all counts against them,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is really a campaign that's a

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<v Speaker 1>message to ransomware gangs that if they are caught, they

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<v Speaker 1>face a price that's much higher than what they can

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<v Speaker 1>extort through ransomware attacks. But whether that acts as an

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<v Speaker 1>actual deterrent remains to be seen. Recently, the House of

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives passed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which most

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<v Speaker 1>folks have heard of as the one point to trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar infrastructure bill here in the United States. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a ton of stuff in that bill, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about a couple of tech related pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those is a sixty five billion dollar package

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<v Speaker 1>to increase broadband internet access in the US. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>that would go to subsidies to internet service providers that

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<v Speaker 1>commit to building out broadband infrastructure into underserved areas. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the money will also go to subsidy programs that

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<v Speaker 1>will help individual households so that they can afford broadband

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<v Speaker 1>access plans and thus offset the cost that they would

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise have to pay. These measures are a good step,

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<v Speaker 1>but they represent a massive cut to what was originally

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<v Speaker 1>in the bill. The original version of the bill set

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<v Speaker 1>aside one hundred billion dollars to improve broadband access, so

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<v Speaker 1>almost half of that got taken out by the time

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<v Speaker 1>it finally was passed. Still, a little improvement is better

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<v Speaker 1>than the status quo by definition, but it now falls

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<v Speaker 1>to the various I s p s and the f

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<v Speaker 1>c C to make sure that this plan actually leads

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<v Speaker 1>to action and increased access once President Biden actually signs

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 1>it into law. Of that is, so while the law

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 1>is a good step in the right direction, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>as big at step is what people were hoping for.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the activation is really what matters. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If these companies end up taking subsidies and then really

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>drag their feet on actually building out the infrastructure, it

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really do anyone any good. And we have seen

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.400
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff happened in the past. Uh, hopefully

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that's not how it's gonna turn out this time. But um,

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's too early to say. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more stories that we're going to cover. But before

0:24:52.400 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 1>we get to that, let's take another quick break. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that there were a couple of pieces in

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>that Infrastructure bill that related to tech. Well, another element

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<v Speaker 1>is one that actually concerns me quite a bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about it in a previous tech Stuff tech

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<v Speaker 1>News episode. So wrapped up in that Infrastructure bill is

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<v Speaker 1>a mandate that car manufacturers will have to incorporate technology

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<v Speaker 1>that can passively monitor drivers and identify whether or not

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the driver is operating a vehicle while impaired, and then

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>go on to limit or prevent vehicle operation if the

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>vehicle says, yeah, this person is kind of messed up. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let me be clear, if the technology we used to

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<v Speaker 1>do this were amazingly accurate, and the implementation in systems

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<v Speaker 1>that would limit motor vehicle operation were proven to be

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>both effective and safe, I would be all for this.

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't want intoxicated or otherwise impaired drivers to operate vehicles,

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 1>potentially putting themselves and others in severe danger. I don't

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:13.120
<v Speaker 1>want that to happen. I think driving well intoxicated is Honestly,

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I think of it as an unforgivable act because I

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<v Speaker 1>think it shows a flagrant disregard for human life and safety,

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's so alien to me that I absolutely condemn it. However,

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<v Speaker 1>my big problem is that the tech we have today

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 1>isn't totally reliable. Now, car companies will have to start

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>implementing this by around so it still gives us some time.

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But you also have to remember that incorporating this takes years, right,

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you have to you know, the whole process of developing

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a car can be a two year process, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>really not that far out when you start thinking, oh,

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 1>we have to incorporate this within the that really means

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<v Speaker 1>that car companies have to actively start working on implementation

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<v Speaker 1>by four And the fact that the tech is not

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>fully reliable is a potentially enormous problem. Like you could

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>have a car mistakenly identify someone as being intoxicated, and

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>then that person would suddenly find that they can't drive

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>their car. That would be a problem, right, even if

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 1>they aren't actually inhibited in any other way, they wouldn't

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>be able to use their car because the car had

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>mistakenly identified them as being intoxicated. That's bad. But if

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the system fails to detect that someone is intoxicated when

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>they actually are that's like having no system in there

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Like, it's essentially the same as if you

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a system. So if it doesn't have a

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:46.719
<v Speaker 1>high enough level of accuracy and detecting it, you might

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>as well not even have it. On top of that,

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>we've seen with Tesla's autopilot and it's full self driving

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>systems that features that are meant to take over for

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>a human driver can sometimes be dangerous themselves. Now, I'm

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:05.360
<v Speaker 1>not saying that these systems are more dangerous than an

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>inebriated driver, right that would be ridiculous for me to suggest. However,

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>they haven't been proven to actually be safe. And so

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>if you say let's replace this one definitively very unsafe

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 1>act with another that has yet to be proven to

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>be safe, that doesn't seem like it's a good move

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 1>to me. I feel like this is an example of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are relying upon technology to solve a problem

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>that the tech just isn't up to solving yet. And again,

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I do get that this is a very real problem

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>that we need a solution. We need to address the

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>problem of drivers who drive under the influence, because they

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>stand to be an enormous danger to others, and it's

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>awful that there's not some you know, easy way to

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<v Speaker 1>do this that does and involves severely restricting someone's freedom.

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just worried that technology, at least as it is

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<v Speaker 1>right now, is not the right solution, because you know,

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's not it's not able to do what

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>we are depending upon it to do. And if we

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>dust off our hands and say, all right, we sorted

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 1>that out, now, let's go on to the next problem,

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>what we're really doing is just setting ourselves up for

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>tragedy in the future when the tech falls short and

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>people are still being people. That is, we still have

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>some people who get inebriated and then insist on driving,

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<v Speaker 1>and I you know, I'll also point out that there

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<v Speaker 1>will be people who argue that this sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>kind of infringes on freedoms and whatnot. For the record,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not my objection. I don't I'm not one of

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<v Speaker 1>those people who says this tech is infringing upon my

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<v Speaker 1>freedom because I don't believe in freedom extending to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you can put other people in danger. My

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<v Speaker 1>argument is more along the lines of if I drink poison,

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<v Speaker 1>getting someone to put a band aid on my finger

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<v Speaker 1>is not solving the problem, right, It's not addressing the

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<v Speaker 1>actual thing. The solution is not really a solution. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I worry about when it comes to tech

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<v Speaker 1>as a way of preventing drunk driving. I just I

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<v Speaker 1>am not convinced that it actually is doing anything helpful. Now. Hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time car companies have to, you know, work

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<v Speaker 1>within this mandate because it is law now, maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>will all be sorted out, and hopefully it means that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see a drastic reduction of injuries and deaths due

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<v Speaker 1>to drivers who would otherwise be operating a vehicle while

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<v Speaker 1>under the influence of alcohol or other intoxicating effects. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I worry that it's not gonna be a real solution.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, I'm done. I know I wind on about

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that for way too long, but it's something that I

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<v Speaker 1>recognize in a lot of places where people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see a problem and they just say tech will sort

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<v Speaker 1>that out, and they walk away without really without really

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with an effective approach. The same thing, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, happens with climate change. I know tons of

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<v Speaker 1>people who said we'll engineer our way out of climate

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<v Speaker 1>change without actually proposing any actionable engineering approaches to dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with climate change, which is the same thing as saying

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<v Speaker 1>that's a future Jonathan problem. It never works out well

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<v Speaker 1>for future Jonathan. Future Jonathan invariably hates present day Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>and really hates past Jonathan. I can say that with certainty.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, A while back, in fact, quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>ways back, I did a series of episodes about the

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>company General Electric a k A. G E. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I plan on running those episodes next week because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be on vacation next week, so we're gonna rerun

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<v Speaker 1>the g E episodes. But I've got an update to

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the GE story, and that's the company recently announced it

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<v Speaker 1>is going to split into three separate companies over the

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<v Speaker 1>near future. One is going to focus on energy, one

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<v Speaker 1>company will focus on the healthcare industry, and the third

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<v Speaker 1>company will focus on aviation. Now, this split again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not happening immediately. It's not like, you know, they just

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<v Speaker 1>did a reverse Vultron. Instead, GE announced that it will

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<v Speaker 1>spin off the healthcare organization sometime in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>three and then the energy division will spin off sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in early The idea is that each individual company will

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<v Speaker 1>be more focused with its own specific leadership in order

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<v Speaker 1>to direct company efforts to excel in those specific industries

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<v Speaker 1>without having to worry about the other division. Current ge

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<v Speaker 1>CEO Lawrence Culp said he will lead the Aviation division

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the one that is going to hold on

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<v Speaker 1>to the g E name. And finally, Nintendo has given

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<v Speaker 1>video game console fans something to look forward to. The

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<v Speaker 1>company announced in an earning skull the plans to release

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new video game console. So the Switch, which

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<v Speaker 1>is Nintendo's most recent console, launched in ten and Nintendo

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<v Speaker 1>gave the Switch a little bit of a glow up

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this year, releasing an O led screen version that

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<v Speaker 1>had some modest tweaks, uh, the biggest one being a larger,

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>brighter screen that was an old screen, but not nothing

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary like it was a It was an incremental step,

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<v Speaker 1>not a not like a full premium upgrade. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>also had not been any word of a successor to

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<v Speaker 1>the Nintendo Switch, So this is really big news. When

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<v Speaker 1>can you expect the as yet unnamed Nintendo console, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it will happen sometime between today and December thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand YEP. According to the slide deck in the

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<v Speaker 1>earnings call, we should expect a new console sometime in

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<v Speaker 1>the year two zero x x, so that means sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the next seventy two years or so we should

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<v Speaker 1>get a new Nintendo console. Now, sure you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really news at all, because surely Nintendo would

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<v Speaker 1>release something between now and the end of the century.

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<v Speaker 1>But to you, I say, come on, get off my back.

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I wanted something silly to end this episode with, and

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<v Speaker 1>this one one out all right. That is the tech

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<v Speaker 1>news for Tuesday, November nine, twenty one. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>as a reminder, I am on vacation. Next week we

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<v Speaker 1>will be rerunning the g E Story episodes and on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe we will have of next week we will

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<v Speaker 1>have a Smart Talks with IBM episode and then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back the following week and we will be back

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<v Speaker 1>to business as usual. And until all that time, I'll

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