WEBVTT - Name w/ Paula Garcés 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:27.200 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.560 Hello, Hello, Hello, It's twenty twenty two and this is 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:31.440 that's messed up. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.960 I am Liza Traeger. Hello. Hi, I am Kara Klank. Hello. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.160 And you guys know what this is or maybe your 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.720 New Year's resolution was to get into this podcast and 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.520 you don't know what it is. But what it is 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.800 is we take an episode of Sview, we recap it, 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.839 then we talk about the true crime it was based on, 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.919 and then we interview usually an actor from the show. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.120 And today's episode is a hot one to kick off 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.040 twenty twenty two. I'm so glad it's a new year. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:59.200 It is a new year. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.000 Obviously, we took a holiday break like a lot of 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.000 like you should, and hopefully you're able to as well. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.399 So we did record this before our holiday breaks, so 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.800 you won't know what we did until next week, but 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:11.680 we're gonna try to. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.640 Yeah, we're we're in the time machine again. Time machine. Yes, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.119 we wait. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.720 We do want to talk about New Year's because we 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.400 will have all just done New Years. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.679 We may be spending New Years together. We're not sure. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.720 And I I don't know. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.679 New Year's is like, now that I have kids, I'm like, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.280 what can I even do on New Year's I'm just 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:32.840 excited that I'm going to a place where I can 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:34.920 put my children to bed and drink a little bit. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.480 Yeah, but what's weird about your sleepovers? Why don't you 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.400 guys actually do a real sleepover? You guys do fake sleepovers? 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:46.000 Well, because where would we sleep you say us from downstairs? 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.200 Maybe we will do that for New Years. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.280 Like, I just don't understand why. It's like you put 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.720 them to bed and then still at ten you sneak. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.200 Them out in the middle of the night, Like well, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.560 because first of all, one of them goes to sleep 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.600 in our friend's bedroom, so Michael and like our friends 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.560 would have to sleep with my six month old in 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.960 their room. So I guess I could put Yeah, I 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.120 guess I could reconfigure and we could try to sleep over. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:07.960 But normally what we do is we wake them up 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.080 at like eleven or twelve and just like whisk them 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.520 away into the car and bring them home and they 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.600 go right back to sleep, so it's not a big deal. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.120 But I'll have to ask our friends if they feel 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:21.000 like waking up to two extra children and two extra adults. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:21.560 We'll see. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.760 Yeah, I am still waiting for plans. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.360 I really I have a dress. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.680 I would love to go out, and I'm trying to 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.200 manifest something fun, but I don't think so. And then 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.240 someone suggests that I should just straight up post on 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.760 Instagram like where are the parties, bitch? But that seems 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.200 like a little much. I don't know. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.200 Maybe I'll just do whippets alone. If I hear of anything, 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:45.840 I'll let you know. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.280 I just think La it's like a town where nobody's 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.080 really from here, so so many people go away for 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.000 the holidays and then their New Year's is not really here. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.800 But that said, I've actually had. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.240 New Year's parties here when I was living in West Hollywood, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.080 and like, without children, I've had New year. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.399 Yeah, that's another thing. Like West Hollywood. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.920 I would definitely go, maybe do some spots, hang out, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.880 but I don't want to then uber back or try 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.080 to a hotel on New Year's like so many drunk drivers, 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.359 Like I don't really know. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.399 Uber's gonna be a billion dollars. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.760 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. So I grew up with 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.160 New Year's being a family holiday. We have a New 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.800 Year's tree, we do gifts, and then what's cool is 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.480 my sister would do everything with us, and then she 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.919 would go out at like two in the morning. That's 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.519 another thing. LA fucking sucks and everything closes at one 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.080 in the morning. So if you grow up in a 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.640 real city, you can go out till four or five 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.119 in the morning, and that's fun. So my sister would 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.280 do gifts and dinner and everything with the family, and 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.920 then her and her slept friends they would go out 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.960 at like two in the morning, and it was cool. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.680 I it's not a family holiday for me, but I did. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.120 When I was a sophomore in high school. I threw 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.440 like an epic party when my parents were out of 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.240 the country. They had me, say with their best friend 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.320 and I was I was, you know, fifteen, But my 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.400 friends drove so I was like, okay, I'm going to 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.200 like a little New Year's party with four friends. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.480 And we just had them drive me back to my house. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.280 Opened my house up, like people banging upstairs, like people 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:19.480 taking showers, like like walking around naked, like full blowout 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.520 party that I never got in trouble for. I then 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.520 tried to have a party my junior year and my 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.760 freshman year of college at my at my parents' house, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.240 and both times I got busted, but the sophomore year 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:29.919 party never got busted. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.599 I confessed it to my parents later. Wait, how many 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:33.640 people were there? 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.080 Maybe like seventy It was like a lot of my 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.559 class from my I was a sophomore, and then probably 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.320 people some people from the grade above and stuff too. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.640 But I was pretty proud of myself. It was a 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.240 big party. And did people bring booze? 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.679 Yeah, and my parents, like people stole drip like booze 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.119 from my parents. But my parents like aren't big alcohol people. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.560 They just have a lot of alcohol, like they always 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.760 were gifted like vodka and stuff. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.200 They never drink vodka, you know. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.880 So, like I think I've talked about it on this 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.680 podcast before, my parents got three bottles of Absolute ones 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.280 and just gave them to my sister because we collected 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.719 Absolute vodka ads and so they were just sitting on 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.120 my sister's desk for all of high school and we 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.239 would just slowly drain them and then. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.040 Refill them with water. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.520 So yeah, like and then later they'd be like, hey, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.120 could you bring that vodka down for the party. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.320 We'd be like that shit is long gone. Mom, Sorry you're. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.520 Delusional, but anyway, that's a fun New Year's memory. But 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.120 I have done so many crazy New Years. I've done 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.400 New Year's in like Boston. I've worked on New Year's. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.359 I've waitress on New Years. I think the best. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.960 I like working on New Year's that's the best. I 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.280 really love having a weekend at a club. You are 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:42.920 drink it, you have fun, and then you go out 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.279 after and it's kind of more low pressure. I love 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.680 having an excuse. I love working on a holiday. That's 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.760 oh isom and I had a big New Year's party. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.640 My aunt and uncle used to have a loft and 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.320 soho and they I've stayed in it over New Year's, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.679 like maybe twenty sixteen. No, it was like twenty twelve 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.560 or thirteen because Jared and I were like together. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.640 And it was all comedy people. It was really fun. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.960 Yeah, I remember like my favorite, Like I remember senior 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.560 year of high school. I think I did, like I 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.320 went to a friend's house. That was the first time 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.760 I did something with other people and your parents were 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.400 probably like, No, it's fine though, but I was with 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.920 other Russians, so maybe that kept them happy. Oh, last 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.560 year it was just me and my parents and none 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:25.440 of us were drinking. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.039 Well, last year for New Year's you were out of 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.880 town and our other friends came over and lit a 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.280 fire pit on my fake grass and burned a huge 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.000 hole in it. So I'm just happy that we're not 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.400 going to be at my house this year, so I 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.799 don't have to replace any burnt grass. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.880 That burnt grass has been You've been talking about it. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.719 Oh, yeah, well fixed now it's fixed now. It just 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.320 was a nightmare to get it fixed. But I am 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.880 I actually love the no pressure New Year's. I love 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.560 the just do something with a few friends and not 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.560 have to worry about traveling and getting an uber. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:55.920 Yeah. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.599 I don't want to be in a night club, I think. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.280 No, if I was rich, I think I would enjoy 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.800 I would be on an all inclusive resort, I think, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.479 or like a tropical vacation airbnb with like I would 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.800 love ten friends are under in a house. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.680 Or I think if you are going to do a 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.200 West Hollywood, LA thing, you like hire a car for 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.320 the night, like the car is your car, and it's like, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:18.840 that's taking you around for the night. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.960 A friend of mine did that, Rich friends of mine 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:21.200 did that. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.200 I know that's expensive, but I'm saying that's where we're 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.280 talking aspirational. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.320 Yeah, Like, no, I think tropical is better than renting 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:28.640 a car to go to West Hollywood. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.360 I think, okay, of. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.920 Course, But I'm saying, if you wanted to stay around 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.120 town and have fun, I think having someone take you around, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.320 of course better than tropical. Better than tropical is buying 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.560 your own island better than buying you. I mean, like 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.640 we can go on and on about what's better. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.200 You just followed up my Aruba with you can also 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:47.880 get a car. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:49.880 I just don't know. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.000 Like I like to be around a lot of people, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.920 I know, so I don't know that a tropical vacation 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.200 where I'm just with like maybe two people would be 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:58.440 as fun for me. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.160 No, I would love to be on an all inclusive 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.320 resort for a New Year one year. I think I 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.600 would definitely pretty much I would enjoy that. I would 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.280 have you done all inclusive before. I did it once 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.080 with my family when I was in high school the 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.920 Dominican Republic, and then once with my friend Alex Crawley 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.200 a few years ago in Mexico. I like being with 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.640 people in a city and being not with other Americans 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:28.360 in a resort. But I would totally do resorts again, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.600 for sure. Absolutely, but we stayed at the resort for 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.320 like a full week. I would probably do through three 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.680 four days at a resort and then three four days 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.800 and like Tuloom or like in a different place. We 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.040 went to Tuloom for just a day trip. But yeah, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.640 I think it's nice that I like when everything's included. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.120 I like just drinking and eating and being at the 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.960 pool and then you get to know everyone and you know, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:51.719 the guys are like. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.000 Tequila and you're like, yeah, you know, I like that. Yeah. No, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:56.360 I've never done all inclusive. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.520 I only asked because my sister did all inclusive in 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.760 Mexico at this place where her boyfriend, and she said 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.800 that it was like impossible to get drunk, like the 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.079 drinks were too watered down. But that was one place 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.040 I was just wondering if you had a similar experience. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.360 Oh no, but I was just taking shots of tequila, so. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.080 You can't those down. You're not really fucking around with that. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.720 But I love a breakfast but I like, oh, say, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.679 like a nap, I had a hot tub or a butt. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.480 We had like tubs on our balconies, so like that's fun. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.280 I love resort breakfast where it's just like ninety stations 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.160 of all different stuff to eat for breakfast. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:32.240 I love that shit. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.240 Yeah, there's just different types of vacations. I would never 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.560 say I would rather do a resort than like be 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.600 in a cool place with people that actually live there 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.079 and go to museums and see stuff. It's just it's 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:49.320 different trips, and I think to unwind a resort's nice. 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.160 Yeah, baby, should we unwind into today's episode. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.600 We've got a good one for you. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.200 Yeah, absolutely, January, you're cold, are you working on your goals? 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.880 Have you already fail? Whatever? We have an episode. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.680 We're consistent, honey, whether you're on top of your shit 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:05.960 or not. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.959 All right, guys, I'm excited about this because I totally 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.760 knew this episode when I watched it, But this was 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.080 like a little bit for me like what Scavenger was 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.760 for you, Like you knew you'd seen it, but I 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.840 didn't really remember a lot about this one, so it 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.040 was kind of like seeing it new again. Even though well, I'm. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.200 Gonna I'm gonna let the listeners into the third wall 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.680 or whatever. But you know, we do get asked how 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.880 we picked the episodes, and we Hannah suggested this one 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.480 and Kara was fighting. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:39.319 You did not want to do it. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.040 You were so mad, and then after you watched it, 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.160 you were like, oh my god, what an incredible episode. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.120 I go, yeah, SVU is incredible. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.520 I think I thought it was a different one. I 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.120 think I thought it was the one with Time saws 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.240 more that's based on the Eton Pats case. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:51.800 Which we will do. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.920 But I think I was like, let's wait on that 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.479 one whatever, and this one is great. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:57.640 So it is. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.320 But I just thought the listeners would like, yeah, that 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:01.640 this was an argument. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.560 Shattering the fourth wall and Lisa letting you know that. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.679 I was a baby bitch about doing this episode and 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.480 now I'm happy. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:08.959 I love it. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.720 Yeah, but I hated execution and I just still don't 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:13.000 like it. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.400 Yeah. Oh, I thought you warmed up. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.280 To it, But okay I did because we got to 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.240 talk to Bede Wong. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:18.800 That's gonna put favorable. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.120 So okay, this is episode is called name and it's 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.800 season seven, episode seven seven seven. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.360 I love that I know something about the numbers. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.240 Well, seven is universally good luck, Like people love the 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:34.640 number seven, lucky number seven. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.439 So we opened this episode on a couple of kids 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.600 that like go up to some guys that are digging 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.520 a huge hole next to their playground, and the guys 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.760 are like, you guys, excited for your new playground and 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.360 the kids are like They do a reverse shot where 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.440 the kids are like yeah, but there's like a perfectly 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.319 good playground right behind them. So I don't really know 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.200 what's going on with the old playground, but it looks 0:11:55.240 --> 0:12:00.360 really good. So the this one kid's like, where's baby 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.880 duckies and one of the guys. Then one of the 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.440 guys interrupts and goes, h, look at this. It's teeth, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.800 And he like he's got a couple of teeth in 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.520 his hand. I don't know how the fuck he would 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.040 ever notice that he's like digging in a huge pile 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.960 of dirt like teeth look like rocks. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.480 I don't really know how he figured it out, but 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.720 they should have made it a skull in my opinion. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.080 So they're like, hold on, guys, stop the work, and 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.120 a third guy pulls out like a full jaw, so 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.719 they tell the kids to scram and the next thing 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.120 we see are people like sifting through the dirt like 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.040 it's your archaeology assembly in fourth grade. Like they're just 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.760 like using those you know, like they're panning for gold. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.520 My sister did a kid birthday party like that, she 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.360 buried all these dinosaur bones in the yard or the. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.319 That is the kids freaking cute and the kind of 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.760 thing I would never have the like wherewithal to do. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.880 But like, wow, my sister, it's not about that she is, 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.320 but she's really good at homemade parties, creative and dedicated 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:59.840 because I would I could think of that, and then 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.640 I be like I can't figure out how to do it, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.720 and then I would just give up. But anyway, I'll 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.920 keep going here with this case. So they're all sifting 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.800 through the dirt trying to find more bones. The victim 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.760 is a kid because they still had baby teeth. The 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.360 sand is from a quarry in Rockland County, and the 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.120 CSU finds a lunch box that has Battlestar Galactica on it, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.079 which means the death probably occurred in the late seventies. 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:27.559 That show did come back. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.160 I don't know if you listen ever to Race Chaser 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.360 with Wilhelm and Alaska. But they there was a judge 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.000 on one of the early seasons of Drag Race named 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.520 Alessandra Torra Sani and she was on Battlestar Galactica, and like, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.600 it's just kind of a funny gag that no one 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.079 knows who the fuck she is, and she got to 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.640 be a judge on Drag Race, and so they'd be like, oh, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.000 obviously drag expert Alissandra Torra Sani. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:51.520 And then they've. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.960 Actually had her on the podcast like twice and she's 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.680 become like a funny gag on their podcast. But that's 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.560 what I think of when I think of Battlestar Galactica. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:13:58.760 Now. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.360 Anyway, there's a Twinkie in the box. Apparently we don't 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.360 get to see it, but Finn's like, oh, here's the 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.719 test of the Twinkies last forever, like go ahead, take 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.960 a bite, and Munch is like no thanks, or maybe 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.920 it's the other way around, but one of them does that, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.480 and then they're debating if it's a homicide and there's 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.680 like a Lady csu tech there and she finds a 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.120 skull and Warner's like, yep, that's a bullet hole. Dunt 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.960 done into the credits, so we know that this kid 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.640 was shot in the back of the head and then 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.640 somehow buried in a quarry. So now they are at 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.960 the quarry at the top of act one, and Melinda 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.080 and co Are all in hard hats. It's just kind 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.360 of fun. I like to see everybody wearing a hard hat. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.840 Stabler arrives with Munch. I don't think Olivia is in 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.800 this entire episode, right, No, I think this goes this 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.960 baby times, taking a break or having a baby. Who's 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.600 to say? So, Stabler arrives with Munch there with and 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.280 Stabler has his arm in a sling because, as you recall, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.800 this is the episode right after Raw where he was 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.760 shot in a courtroom blowout with Star and that whole 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.880 thing with Marsha Gay Harden and he got his big 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.720 ass shot and Warner or wait no, actually sorry, it 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.080 was Munch that got his ass shot in that episode. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.240 Stabler got shot like in the arm. That's why he's 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.120 in a sling. Warner confirms that the bones belonged to 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.440 a boy because they found the pelvis, but there's nothing 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.800 else to go on really, there's no hair, like any 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:24.000 DNA left, and then they find in the backpack, they 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.920 find all these baseball cards and drawings, et cetera, and 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.720 all of that stuff has been. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.520 Like perfectly preserved. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.560 Like they open up an art project that looks like 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.640 this kid could have made it yesterday, and it's like 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.720 a dragon and it says go dragons, and it has 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.160 the number one forty eight at the bottom. Obviously, we 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.320 know Stabler has an encyclopedic knowledge of all the high 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:46.360 schools and schools in New York City, but they have 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.840 to be Catholic for him to know the name. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.120 So they track down PS one forty eight and. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.960 They're talking to the principal there, who's like, I remember 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.320 this all happening. I was their age that these four 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.120 boys disappeared in nineteen seventy eight. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:00.760 They were all twelve to the teen years old. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.680 They were playing baseball after dinner and then no one 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.160 saw them again. And she remembers all their names right 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.840 off the top of her head because she was, I 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.840 guess a kid when it happened. Their names were Juan Alvarez, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.600 Hector Padilla, Estebon Morales, and Michael Rodriguez. So there are 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.360 four Latino boys that have been that went missing and 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.000 their case is like still unsolved. So the precinct at 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.200 the time of their disappearance has been shut down for 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.360 twenty years. And Stabler also remembers at the fall of 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.960 nineteen seventy eight, the papers were on strike and so 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.320 that's probably another reason. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:32.600 So he goes, that's probably why we've never. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.440 Heard of the case, and it's like, yeah, but also 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.280 they were Puerto Rican teenagers that I'm missing, so that's 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.160 kind of more why. And that's also what the principal said. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.040 She's like, it wasn't going to be front page news. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.240 And then they munch, you know, comes back from a 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.240 phone call and it's like, actually, all the files on 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.120 this case have been checked out, so who checked them out? 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.040 Now we're at the CSU lab where Stabler goes in 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.080 to try to talk to this sassy female tech and 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:57.840 she's like, if you're looking for your results, I don't 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:58.800 have them for you. You know. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.840 She doesn't even look up from what she's doing. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.720 And this is Milly Viscarando, who is played by Paula 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.720 garsis a very pretty, very pretty actress who's playing this 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.880 very cool character and this is like, I believe this 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.280 is her third out of four episodes that she was in. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.560 She was also in Raw and a couple of episodes. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.360 And I love the name Milli. Yeah, so cute. There's 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.680 another exactly right host named Milly from the I Saw 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:25.960 What You Did podcast? 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:26.879 What's Up? 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:27.160 Girl? 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:27.960 Yeah? Girl. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.520 Stabler is like, uh, do you have those files? I 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.720 need them right now and she's like, uh yeah, I'll 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.240 get him to you later. And he's like no, girl, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.199 like I need him right now. And she's like, I 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.880 just don't want you to think I'm weird. And it's 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.040 like and he's like, too late, and I'm kind of like, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.120 I'm kind of loving their. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.120 Vibe together already. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.800 So they go to Millie's apartment and she's said that 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.120 she's basically pulled about fifty to sixty unsolved cases where 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.480 the victims were Hispanic teen boys in nineteen sixty to eighty. 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:56.840 They say Hispanic a lot in this. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.760 I don't think that that is like how you're I 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.840 think Hispanic refers to what language you speak, whereas Latino 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:03.960 is like your origin. I don't know if these boys 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.520 like actually spoke Spanish. But she keeps saying Hispanic. I'm 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.080 not saying that. I just want everyone to know before 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:09.679 they come for me. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.120 Her dad was a cop. Millie's dad was a cop. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.440 He was a fingerprint analyst on the job back in 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.719 the day, and he was obsessed with this one case 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.119 where they found a nine year old boy dead in 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.399 a box and it was called the Boy in the 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.640 Box case. And he was never ideed and everyone had 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.679 forgotten about this case, but her dad worked on it 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.159 every day until the day he died this past summer. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.200 And she goes, do you think if it was for 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.800 white boys missing, the case would still be open. The 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.240 answer is of course, but Stabler goes, probably not. And 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.840 it's like, okay, Stabler, I can see that. You don't 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.840 see color, not in a good way. So they bring 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.280 in all the parents of the missing boys to look 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.080 at the backpack and the lunch box and all the 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.760 stuff that they found, and I'm sadly. One woman is like, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.840 that's my son's lunchbox, that's his stuff, and it's Juan 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:55.919 Alvarez his parents. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.879 I hated when the mom wanted to touch it and 0:18:58.880 --> 0:18:59.600 they wouldn't let go. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.800 Oh yeah, that was really really sad. Yeah. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.520 Millie's like, you can't and it was like just let 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.919 her touch. Yeah, I mean, no, she can't. When it 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.720 gets solved, they can give her all that stuff. But 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.800 it is really really sad, and so Stabler. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.600 In the next scene, Stabler and Millie are talking to 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.000 Wan's parents and they just always were like we told 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:23.880 them that we knew our son would never have run away. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.000 Like everybody just assumed that this band of twelve to 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.840 thirteen year old boys ran away, never to be heard 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.240 from again. Sure, maybe they ran away, but they never 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.080 called their parents on a birthday, they never asked for money, like, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:36.399 they just never were founding. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:37.639 It just makes no sense. 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.920 It's a lazy cop out. Yeah, it's an easy way out. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.359 It happened. We see this all the time in the cases. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.160 We I think, yeah, research too. It's like, oh, probably 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.400 a run away. They didn't like it, Oh they left, 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.719 And it's like that's lazy, that's lazy. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.239 Yeah, And like the like the girls from Cleveland, like oh, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.760 they just all ran away and not not one phone call, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.199 not one, not one ping on a debit card. Like 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.240 it makes no sense and it is full lazy police works. 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.240 Because I wonder the percentage of actual runaway It's like 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.520 of actual teens that are like peace out and disappear 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.560 because they want to disappear. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.200 Like I just can't imagine it being that hot. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.280 Well yeah, well this is what like, this is what 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.480 they talk about in like child trafficking and in kidnappings 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.600 and stuff like that. Like they'll report like any kid 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.359 that's like a in foster care that just goes a 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.199 wall like leaves for the day, they get reported as missing. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.720 So like when the when the Center for Missing and 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.760 Exploited Children does numbers and are like there are this 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.600 many kids today missing and exploited, it's like, Okay, actually, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.600 some of those kids just were gone for a day 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.440 and they've been reported multiple times, so their numbers are 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.600 in the system multiple times when really they just took 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.199 off for a day and then came home, you know 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.080 what I mean. Like so it's like you're saying, I 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.800 think the numbers are a lot lower of missing children 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.320 than we think they are. But in another sense, like 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.720 but yeah, the number of kids that just run away 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.480 to be like bye forever and no contact and never 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.760 come home. I don't think that's as high as people 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.159 would assume. So the mom says that they all suspected 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.720 a guy named Robert Sawyer, who was a handyman in 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.760 the neighborhood, and he would hire these boys to do 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.199 odd jobs. So then they talk to the other parents, 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.520 the parents of the other three boys, and they're like, oh, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.520 well there's nobody so like, you haven't found my kid's body, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.280 so he could still be alive. And Detective Stable is 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.160 kind of gently trying to be like, it's really unlikely, 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:26.919 like that your kid is alive and you have not 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.479 heard a word from them in like seventeen years, and like, 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:31.520 but then. 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.680 We also hear about like in Cleveland they were missing 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.080 for ten years and live. 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.439 It's like true and that's the hope. 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.720 And then one of the moms goes, hope is all 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.600 we got, Detective Stabler and I really liked that little line. 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:48.240 And Juan's parents said they'll miss the hope now that 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.240 they've found his body. They're like, we'll miss having that 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.440 hope that like when the phone rings it could be him, 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.960 you know, like even though the disappointment of that, the 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.080 push and pull of the disappointment must be so sad, 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.520 But I guess the hope they'll miss. And then Munch 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.520 and Stabler and Milly are all sin around like spitballing 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.840 ideas and they're basically like this guy Sawyer was seen 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.120 on the street with Padilla and Rodriguez the night they disappeared, 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.800 but he beat the polygraph, which who cares because anyone 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.960 can do that. But he also had an alibi from 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.040 a younger employee of his name, Carlos Guzman. So I 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.879 think that's why he was never fully you know, prosecuted 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.200 or investigated. And Munch is like, what if the other 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:29.080 three boys killed Wan? And then jumps down like pieced out, 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.040 and Stabler's like, twe and I said, seventeen years before 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.280 I met twenty seven years. Stabler says twenty seven years 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:36.520 without a peep, like I don't. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.600 Think so, which you know, I kind of agree with. 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.239 And then the boy in the box was found in 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.600 a water heater box and Sawyer listed his primary occupation 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.520 as plumber. So you see those little gears are grind 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.680 in a Stabler's head and he's like, let's go check 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:51.639 out that box again. 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.080 So they go check it out. Millie like brings the 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:54.560 box out. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.440 She knows everything about this crime, and then Stabler looks 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.280 inside like a fold of the box and find sand 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.080 and it's like, oh yeah, a professional forensics team must 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.720 have just completely overlooked that sand, like I don't. It's 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.080 just so weird that Stabler comes in and goes, huh, 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.040 what's this. It's like her dad investigated this every day 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.159 of his entire life. Never saw the sand. She's investigating it, 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.560 never saw the sand. It's got to be Stabler's eagle 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.800 blue eyes that are the ones that find the sand, Okay. 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.680 And so Stabler is like, let's I'm gonna go check 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.119 out the alibi, but why don't you test the sand? 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:27.919 And maybe the killer tried to dump the boy in 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.840 the quarry first but it didn't work out. Like they're 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.320 basically trying to connect the boy in the box with 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.399 je Alvarez and these other missing boys. 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.480 The quarry is a funny word. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.360 Arry. Yeah, I feel like I've read like about quarries 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.560 a lot in books, like in Old like The Prayer 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.280 for Owen Meanie. I feel like there was always a 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.520 quarry or something where kids would go do bad things, 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.359 like nothing good happens at a fucking quarry. 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:49.879 I'll say that. 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.600 I've also never heard anyone use it in conversation, like 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.440 it's only for movies. 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:56.200 TVs and books. 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.879 Right, Well, I think if you were to have grown 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.200 up in like a small like New Hampshire town. You 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.080 might be like, yeah, we're gonna go throw rocks in 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:04.480 the quarry you want to come. 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.280 Like, but is it a pond or is it something different? 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:11.040 Okay, Annalise is in here with the assist telling us 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.360 that it is a place typically a large, deep pit 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.840 from which stone or other materials are or have been extracted. 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.840 So it's like, yeah, you're like mining for rocks essentially 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.280 out of like a more and there's different kinds of quarries, 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.200 you know. I think there can be like a granite 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.560 quarry and all different kinds of quarries. So then Stabler 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.160 goes to talk to Carlos Guzman and he's super rude 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.600 to him. He's like, oh, what's up, Pool boy, looks 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:35.639 like you're doing really well for yourself, and it's like 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.160 Stabler Sawyer Roll. The guy's like, I have my own business, 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.160 and it's like you should be proud of yourself, sir. 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.800 And he's like, tell me where Sawyer is and he's like, 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.199 I don't know where he is and walks away, and 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.200 then he goes, well, we found one of the boys, 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.040 and Carlos kind of pauses, but keeps on walking. Okay, 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:52.560 so we don't think this is the last time we're 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.080 going to see Carlos. Millie tells Stabler that the stand 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.879 from the quarry and the box are a match. Wow, 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.399 Stabler a break in the case after three seconds of 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:05.920 the Stabler treatment. But she also said it's a very 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.040 common type of sand is used in playgrounds, golf courses 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.159 all over the place, so it's kind of, you know, 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:16.439 it's not exactly like a huge break. But Millie says 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.760 that she has a last known address in Spanish Harlem 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.320 for Sawyer, which is the same neighborhood as the boys. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.439 Sawyer has no family and he's had no activity on 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.720 his Social Security number since nineteen eighty when he went underground, 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.520 like a couple of years after these boys went missing. 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:31.880 And Stabler's like, yeah, he might be working for cash 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.639 as a handyman, like uh. And then Stabler gets a 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.320 call out of nowhere and Munch says, we got we 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.000 heard from a psychiatrist who said one of her patients 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.280 reported a murder from nineteen seventy where a boy's body 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:50.399 was shoved into a cardboard box. So they go to 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.240 the office of doctor Singh, who is this psychiatrist and 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.159 she says, my patient Anna, I haven't seen her in 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.840 years since she checked out of a psych facility and vanished. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.560 Today she calls me up out of the blue, won't 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.640 say where she is, won't say uh, won't come in, 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:07.880 and you know, says she knows something about this murder. 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.159 And this woman doctor saying she was in the movie Prime. 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.960 Doctor Singh was Doctor sing was you? Oh my, It's 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.679 like wild, how many people were in the movie Prime? 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:21.560 Like you are always like Prime, Prime, Like it's one 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.160 of my favorite It's amazing. 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.480 So doctor Singh, who is in Prime, is like, yeah, 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.280 I got I got this call from my client. And 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.639 Stabler's like, let's dump the luds on the phone. He 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.239 didn't even say that, I just know the terms. And 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.520 this woman said that when she was twelve, her father 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.840 murdered her brother and then forced her to help get 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:42.600 rid of the body. And he's like, why is she 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.639 reporting this now? And this the psychiatrist said, Oh, she 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.000 had a dream and she suddenly remembered it. It's a 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.719 little fishy. Millie's like, she must have known we were 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.320 sleeping snooping around. Has this been released to the media 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.200 and Stabler's like, no, it hasn't. So then they tracked 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.159 the phone to a payphone in the park and the 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:00.679 doctor said, oh, that's where she used to score ecstasy, 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:04.560 which never seems like a dark park kind of drug, 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:06.040 Like you never seems like you have to go to 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.000 like a dark park to find ecstasy, but I guess 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.919 you could. So then Stabler and Millie go to the 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.000 park and they're just kind of like chatting and trying 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.879 to figure it out. And then they're like, it's kind 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.720 of weird that she talked about her brother because she 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.720 Anna is white and the boy in the box is Latinos, 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:23.960 so like the brother sister vibe is confusing, but maybe 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:25.400 he was like adopted or fostered. 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.000 They find Anna sitting on a bench now. 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.879 She is played by Lisa Emery, who you may know 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:37.000 as a full on batshit crazy character in Ozark named Darlene. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:42.760 She's this rich, poppy farmer in Ozark, and she's a 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.800 really good actress. She freaks you the fuck out in 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.359 Ozark and she's really good. And get this little side 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.560 bit of svu alum information. 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:54.960 She was married for over a. 0:27:55.000 --> 0:28:00.520 Decade to one Josh Peus aka Hank Abraham. 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.520 Whoa cool. 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.200 I wonder what happened little Sbu marriage is happening. 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.840 Hopefully she didn't find a child born on Joshua. 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.840 Hopefully he's not guilty of what he was in the show. 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.879 So she looks at like they see her sitting on 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:18.439 this bench, she's staring into space. 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.600 She looks, you know, out of it or whatever. 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.400 And she looks at Millie, who is Latina, and goes, 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.440 you look like my brother. Okay, So now we cut 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.120 to Huang interviewing Anna. She doesn't know her last name 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.920 or who the president is. And someone actually recently told 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.879 me that they stopped asking people who the president is 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.040 because there's so many psychos who are part of Stop 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.760 the Steal who will say. 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.640 Trump even though he's not the president anymore. 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.120 So it's like not even a good question to ask 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.160 people to establish whether they know what time period it 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.600 is anyway, So I wonder what they ask now, yeah, 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.280 probably like what year is it? 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:54.680 Like what? Yeah, I don't know. 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:59.320 And so she's not making a lot of sense. And 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.280 then she does say something like they stole him from 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:04.920 a hospital. And then she says two thousand and five, 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.760 like she knows it's two thousand and five, so she's 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.440 in and out of knowing what's up. And Huong is like, 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.400 this is pretty common in longtime MDMA users. They have 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.280 memory impairment and decreased attention span. I just like, I 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.880 have barely heard of people using Molly or MDMA or 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.280 ecstasy like as a long term thing. 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.640 I just didn't know how addictive it was. 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.240 I've heard of like you know, when you're a bad 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.160 teen or you get into partying or raving in the 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.440 nineties or whatever. Like I think there are people who 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.560 are doing ecstasy all the time, and I. 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:38.720 Think they might be fucked up. 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.960 Like for me, I've been been Molly in a while, 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.000 like I'm three times a year tops. 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know same. I mean way less 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.600 for me because I've been having children. But I definitely 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:51.120 did Molly right before I. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:52.720 Had some years it's zero. 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.120 But it's like I would never I guess if maybe 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:57.880 I was going on a cruise, I would do it 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.440 a few I would only do one time because yeah, 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.160 I don't know, I can't imagine. 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:03.560 Do well we were gonna do when we went to Lizzo, 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:05.440 I did do it? You did it? Yeah? 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.360 Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to I didn't want to 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.360 call you out, like for a for a fun concert, 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:12.960 I would do it or something, but yeah, I. 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:14.720 Well, yeah, but it is funny when you're one of 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.000 the only because me and you were on such different 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.960 vibes because you were drinking, and these girls like yelled 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:21.560 at us and you were so mad, and I was like, 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:22.240 I don't care. 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.440 These people yelled at us, and I kept being like, 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:26.600 are we gonna get in a fight? 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:30.320 What's happening? And I was just like, I'll just move over. Yeah, 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.160 they were staring at us, really pissed. 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:33.600 No, you came over to me and you went, are 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.080 you gonna let her talk to you that way? And 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.760 I went, okay, I'm floating. Why are you talking? 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.600 That's Lisa. I love you, but those words would never 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.280 come out of my mouth. Are you gonna let her 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:43.760 talk to you that way? I would never say that 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:44.280 to someone. 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:46.920 You were, Yes, you did. You said that to me. 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.440 I think I said, these girls were being bitches and 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.360 they're pissed at us because we're like standing in front 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:51.600 of them. 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.600 But it's a concert. What are you supposed to fucking do? 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.280 Because I always get into like a little altercations with 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.960 people at concerts, cause I don't think people know how 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.080 to be in crowds. But anyway, I cannot believe I 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:02.720 would never go to you into a fight. 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:04.800 I don't think you were goading me into a fight, 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.760 but I think you were just very much like, believe 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:09.200 these bits. 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:10.080 I can't believe it. 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.600 And I was just like, yeah, I was probably definitely 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.960 not getting over it, that's for sure. Yeah. 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.600 And I was just like, Lizzo will never play in 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.400 a venue this small ever again. 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.120 Yeah, Like it was fun though, Oh that was a 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:23.640 fun show. 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.280 So Huong's giving us the lowdown on what MDMA does 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.040 to your memory and in decreased attention spans, this woman's 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.400 like a long time MDMA used or whatever. Millie thinks 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.960 that there's something to her story. She's like, I believe 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.520 her story, Like, I think there's something there, and then 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.480 Stabler kind of reigns on her parade and she's like, 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.160 sorry to tell you, but Anna's dad died in nineteen 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.600 sixty one, nine years before the Boy in the Box 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.560 was found, and in nineteen seventy seven, her mother died 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.240 and left her a farmhouse in Rockland County, where the 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.200 quarry happened to be, which Milly points out. She's like, okay, so, 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.080 like this woman grew up like in Rockland County right 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.280 by this quarry. This is all kind of connected. It's 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:00.680 got to be. 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:02.560 And she's like on a full mission. 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.960 Finn and Munch are like this, ain't it girl, And 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:06.959 she's like, fuck you guys, I know I'm onto something. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.320 And then she says, your hospital was involved in a 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.520 black market baby scandal in nineteen sixty two, only thirty 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.040 miles from where Anna grew up. 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.120 One of the babies was Hispanic, she says. 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.360 At the hospital, a woman is explaining that they caught 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.240 the nurse responsible for this black market baby scandal. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:26.880 I gotta look this up and see if this is 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:27.520 really What do you do? 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.320 Just steal babies from the hospital, that's so quel, I. 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.120 Guess, and sell them on the black market. 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.320 I don't know, but they weren't able to track down 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.120 all the babies, including this boy. I'm like, how many 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.200 babies went missing before you figured it out? 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:40.960 Was this like one. 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.960 Big grab baby grab in the middle of the night 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:44.280 where she took like five. 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.080 But also and then so then the next day the 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:50.600 mom's in the hospital just gave birth and her baby's gone, 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.560 Or are these teen moms that want to sell their babies? 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.440 No, no, I think these are thefts, because they're saying 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.640 they tracked down all the babies, but they never found 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.480 this boy. So she obviously gave this boy to somebody 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.040 who awayed with the child and they could never find 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:05.400 them again. 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.040 They maybe gave a fake name, who knows. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.200 So Millie looks at these little handprints of the baby 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.600 and goes, it's not him, because we've already learned that 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.840 when her dad was a fingerprint analyst, he did it 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.840 before things were electronic and technological, and he used to 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.280 study the fingerprints. 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:21.640 So he could just tell. 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:23.680 And so maybe we assume she's done the same thing, 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.120 and she can tell by the fingerprints of this baby 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.360 that it's not him. I don't know, but she's kind 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.239 of like, why would this woman have come forward at 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:31.160 this exact time? 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.000 And the woman is like, the woman. 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.280 That they're talking to at the hospital is like, oh, 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.440 are you guys talking about that kid missing since the seventies? 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.320 And it's like, how does this bitch know about it? 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.160 Like what's going on? They thought they were doing this 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.680 whole thing quietly, And she's like, no, no, I read 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:43.520 about it in the paper. 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:45.320 She goes over. Of course she kept the paper. 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:47.840 Of course it's open to the exact article she's talking about, 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.560 and it's the obituary for Juan Alvarez. So that's what's 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.959 kicked the story back into the consciousness, is just that 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.239 the family obviously ran an obituary for their son. So 0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.280 now they're trying to take another run at Anna, and 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.240 they show her a picture of the boy in the box, 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.479 a picture of the boys that have been missing, and 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:10.759 then a picture of a blanket that the blanket was 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:11.960 found with the boy in the box. 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:13.640 It was cut in half and it was found with 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:14.360 the boy in the box. 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.800 Suddenly Anna starts spilling tea. She's like, I remember the blanket. 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.960 They show her a photo of Sawyer and she's like, 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.759 he lived in my house when I was away. So 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.520 they figure that what happened was Sawyer, Robert Sawyer, was 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:31.200 Anna's mom's boyfriend after the father died, and that she 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.040 was committed for the entire year of nineteen seventy eight 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.800 to a psychiatric facility, and the mom died in nineteen 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.040 seventy seven, So that leaves this fucking psychopath with a 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.000 full empty farmhouse in Rockland County a great place to 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.160 kill little boys or whatever your plan is. So they 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.640 go to this house in Rockland County. They go to 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:54.040 the backyard shed. Stabler kicks up one loose floorboard and 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.840 like immediately finds a skeleton. It makes no fucking sense, 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.000 but you know, I love TV magic just as much 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.719 as the next person. They like, you know, they see 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.920 a garbage bag, looks like it's coming up from the dirt. 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.520 They pull one thing and like a little skeleton hand 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.840 is right there. So at least we can prove that 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.239 these four little boys didn't just vanish into thin air, 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.440 and it only took thirty years to do it. So 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:16.880 now we're just sort of kind of like, but what 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.520 about the boy in the box? Like, you know, and 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.160 what's going on with this guy? 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:21.880 Where is he? 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.960 So Stabler is looking at pictures of the crime scene, 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.359 all these bones, and he's trying to figure out how 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:32.880 Sawyer got the boy in the box. Like he's just 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.879 trying to figure out this guy's motive, like why would 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.640 he be dumping the bodies in so many places? Why 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.800 would you kill the boy in the box and almost 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:39.800 dump him at the quarry. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.080 But then dump him in Brooklyn. 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.880 Millie's like, maybe someone scared him away at the quarry, 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.560 and he's like, why dump one and not the others? 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.160 And then they start thinking, okay, wait, how do you 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:52.480 control fourteen boys? You scare the shit out of them? 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.680 So maybe he killed one of them to make the 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.279 other three fall in line. And then another thing you 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.280 might do is have an accomplice to wrangle all these boys. 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:01.840 And then they're like, who might that be? 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:06.680 Carlos Guzman his initial alibi, his coworker quote unquote, who 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:08.640 was just like a fourteen or fifteen year old kid 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.520 at the time, only a couple years older than these 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:15.840 boys went missing. So Stabler's giving Carlos hard interrogation, like 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.480 really going at him, and then Carlos finally breaks and 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.160 said he said he'd kill Anna, and he said he 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.960 loved her. They had a thing him and Anna. He 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.520 was visiting his grandma in Brooklyn when he was fourteen 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.480 and Sawyer came by and said I had to help him. 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.360 He said there's a kid in the trunk in a box, 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.839 and Carlos was freaking out. He had to pull over 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.000 the car so he could throw up, and he makes 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.160 Carlos leave the box in the lot, and he said, 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:44.280 if you tell anyone, I'll kill Anna. And Carlos says 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.760 he knew these boys. He said he called and confessed 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.239 everything to Anna, and she said she still loved him 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.760 no matter what. And then he said that Robert killed Anna. 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.760 So basically, this dude doesn't know that Anna's still alive. 0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.400 And they tell Carlos, sorry, dude, your girlfriend soil alive. 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.600 Kind of she's very fucked up on ecstasy. So basically, 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.160 Robert said he would kill Anna and that he'd kill 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:08.960 him too if he talked, and that's why Carlos has 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.840 stayed silent all these years. So now at the hospital, 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.480 Carlos and Anna are reunited, but she acts like she 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:16.200 doesn't really know him because she's so out of it 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.720 with her memory loss. And Carlos explains that whenever Sawyer 0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:23.000 went on jobs, he would raid medicine cabinets and just 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.000 give her all these random medications so he could quote 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.320 unquote do things to her. So this guy, Robert Soyer, 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.120 is a psycho nightmare like he's doing bad things to 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:36.840 his stepdaughter. He's taking little boys. He obviously has no type. 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.279 He's just like a psycho, and he's basically fried her 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.600 brain with all these medications he's been dosing her on 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.759 since she was a teenager. 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:45.840 Yeah, you gotta be careful if you have kids. You 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.120 can't just date a guy. Yeah you can just bring 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.160 a step dad in. I mean, I don't know how 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:50.839 people do it. 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.240 I don't know. Yeah, it seems so scary, so scary. 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.600 And then especially like she dies and there was nobody 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.680 like to take over, like you just stay with my 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.560 ex boyfriend who's a psychopath I don't know, or not 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.239 my ex boyfriend, my boyfriend who I died. Was there 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.440 like a widowing term for having a boyfriend I don't know? 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.279 Anna says, his name isn't Sawyer, he has a real name, 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.880 and he had told Anna same thing that he had 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.359 killed Carlos, so Anna thought Carlos was dead too. They 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.000 look up Robert Sawyer and they basically figure out, which 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.000 they have many times on the show before, that this 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.279 guy has Sawyer has stolen the identity of a guy 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.960 who is probably already dead, or that maybe this guy 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.799 killed and that his fingerprints that have been loaded into 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.759 the system since the sixties. 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:34.880 Those are the fingerprints of Robert Sawyer. 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.640 That are on file, so they wouldn't match with like 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.680 anything that came up at crime scenes because that guy's 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.880 fucking dead. And so they have bad guy Sawyer's prince, 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:46.680 but they never went into the system because probably because 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:47.759 he passed the Polly. 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.080 And he had an alibi and all these other things. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:49.799 It's wild. 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.080 I've watched this episode in the past few weeks, like 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.640 three times, and you're telling me play by play about 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.760 all of it, and I have no idea what's happening. 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.400 I don't know why, No you are, I don't know why. 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.560 For some reason, my brain cannot handle all these prints 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.600 and all these psychos from forty years ago. 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:08.759 I like care. 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.760 This is a complicated episode though, because it's like based 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:12.640 on multiple crimes. 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.000 It's involving multiple crimes. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:18.560 It's like involving multiple detectives and closed precincts and principles 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.040 that were kids when things happen. 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:21.320 You know, like a lot of things are happening. 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:25.200 So basically, through finding his prints, putting his actual prints 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.359 in the system, they figure out where he lives. They 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.800 bust into this apartment building and they find this old 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.360 fuck like on oxygen in his bed, and he's maybe 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.840 laughing like yeah, it was fuck, it's like really fucked up. 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:38.759 He's like, hey, you found me kind of. 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:43.200 And then at the precinct, Novak walks in and then 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.000 this old fuck comes in with his lawyer. 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.279 He's got like an oxygen tank on him, and so 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:48.520 is this the stepdad? 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.520 Yes, this is Sawyer, Robert Sawyer, the man that the 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.400 parents have always thought was responsible for taking the kids 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.359 always because he was this handyman who used these boys 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.440 and stuff. But he had this alibi and he had 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.239 to be past to Polly, which I think a lot 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:06.600 of psychopaths can do because they can keep their emotions flat, 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:08.840 and I think that's what the polygraph is like testing. 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:11.560 Yeah, and this was so long ago, because there's no 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.360 way a lie detector would be yes, would not have 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:15.400 held up fact. 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:16.319 Yeah. 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.560 So I think his alibi helped. And also probably what 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.319 helped was that just no one was looking for these 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.680 boys because they thought they ran away. And so we 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.720 find out that this guy has end stage pancreatic cancer 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:34.400 and Stabler's like, I hope it hurts ooh. Novak says, basically, 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.960 here's your deal. You can plead guilty. I'll arrange for 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:41.440 an oncologist to treat you, and when your condition worsens, 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:45.080 which it will, I will not oppose your counsel's request 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.920 for compassionate release. So you will die a freeman. But 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.239 in return, I need the name of the boy in 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.279 the box. And this guy's like I don't remember, Like 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.000 he's so disgusting, Like he's just like old and like 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.640 can't talk, and he's like I remember, And Stabler's like, 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.640 fuck you, you know everything about this boy, like you 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:06.160 took him, you did all this stuff. Because if let 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.279 me just say that, if this is true what they 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.320 their theory, then this baby was stolen from a hospital 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.200 in nineteen sixty two, a sensibly I guess raised with 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.720 Anna as her brother, with her mother until the age 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.720 of nine, where his father then killed. 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:23.720 Him and shoved him in a box. 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.839 He's not his father, his adoptive father, or the guy 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:30.520 who stole him, essentially, excuse me. So they're thinking that 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.799 this guy, this kid probably also had a horrible like 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.719 nine years of life when he was alive too, of 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.839 just being tortured by these horrible people. And so there's 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.000 definitely this guy remembers who the kid is, like he 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.520 definitely knows, but he's saying, sorry, I don't remember, like 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.000 he won't confess anything. 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:52.040 I didn't know you were so good at voices. Thank 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:52.840 you so much. 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:56.719 I try. I can be a pretty good impressionist. So 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.440 Millie is, I'm no Melissa via Signor, but I think 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:03.120 I'm okay. So Milly is at the grave of the 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.680 Boy in the Box, which her dad and some other 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.759 cops paid for. She's there with Stabler and she it's 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.719 really like kind of a sweet scene. She's like, I 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.879 used to hate this kid growing up, Like I thought 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:14.880 my father loved him more than I did. And I 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.840 think maybe I jinxed this case somehow by like hating 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.279 on him, you know. And Stabler's like, you got to 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.080 give yourself a break, like your father made some choices, 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.440 like you know, he kind of ignored the kid he 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.359 had there to help this kid that had gone. And 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.840 then Millie kind of walks away, and we see that 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.479 this gravestone that these cops paid for says, Heavenly Father 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.600 blessed this unknown boy that's. 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:42.840 Dick wolf baby off of a child's grave. Damn yeah, damn, damn, damn, 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:48.000 damn credible. And you know what Milly and Stabler had 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:49.400 a nice vibe. 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.920 Yeah, like they had good chemistry. Like I was, like, 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.439 I definitely could watch you guys fuck like I could, 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.320 But I don't necessarily think that that's gonna happen, and 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:57.319 I'm not hoping for it. 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.120 But like two hot people. 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.120 Yeah, but it would have been like an abuse of 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:05.360 Stabler's power, I feel, because she's clearly a younger officer. 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:12.640 She's consenting age she is, but at work. No, but 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.680 they had a nice energy. I enjoyed it. 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.439 They'd be a hot, little one time thing. 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.360 I never really cared about seeing them back in Stabler hookup, 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.719 but I would have watched a Millie's Stabler hookup, you know. 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.759 On ah. Yeah they fucked, uh, I mean yeah, I was. 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:26.879 I hate back. 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.600 All right, listen the crimes they're sad. We'll see you 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.120 after these commercials. After we hawk some goods, we'll go 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:34.840 into some horrific cold cases. 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:50.200 Okay, welcome back. 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:56.520 So these are two cases and I'll cover both of them. 0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:01.200 And there's unfortunately, fortunately I don't know, oh but not 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:02.960 a lot of information on either of. 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:09.600 These cold cases, and none were solved. Ever, maybe this 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.239 is a job for Jensen and Holes. Yeah, and you know, 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:12.719 when we. 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.560 Were talking to Karen a few episodes back. She was 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.160 saying that the crimes that she hates the most or 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.720 that honor the most are the unsolved, like the child 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.879 unsolved criminal cases. So I did think about her while yeah, 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.799 researching this, and it is sad. So we'll do the 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:31.960 Boy in the Box first. A boy's body around four 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.280 or five was found bruised and naked in a cardboard 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:39.000 box in a patch of woods outside of Philadelphia in 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:44.840 February of nineteen fifty seven, so long ago. Yeah, and 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.560 this boy kind of became a symbol of child abuse. 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.120 Said its worst, it was bad. You could tell that 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.680 he had to deal with a lot of sickness, hunger, 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:57.920 and his life ended in a vicious, vicious beating. And 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.000 unfortunately this boy still has no name. It is an 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.560 open homicide investigation in twenty twenty one. 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.239 And younger than like they like it doesn't really matter, 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.240 but like four or five is so like a little baby, 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.000 like and they made him nine in the episode. I 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:14.000 think just to be like just a smidge more palatable 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.480 than four, you know, like, oh so horrible. 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:24.160 Yeah, like hurting a little kid is I don't get it. 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:29.080 Yeah, the first officer at the scene was a guy 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:34.120 named Elmer Palmer, and he died in twenty eleven, but 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.480 this case haunted him forever, and all the other detectives 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.440 who worked on this case never really gave up. It 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:44.719 was always in their hearts and minds and actions. They 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:49.400 visited the boy's grave often. So basically, this guy Elmer Palmer, 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:53.320 I mean, that's what a funny name. Elmer glue Arnold Palmer. 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.600 Is just too much. Elmer is a funny name, Elmer funn. 0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:01.799 Oh yeah, so here I've done the scene February twenty sixth, 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:05.359 nineteen fifty seven. He remembers the boy's hair had been 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.360 cut really crudely, and his body was covered with loose 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.160 hairs from like the haircut. 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:13.200 So that's confusing. 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.400 Detective Palmer remembers thinking we'll solve this quickly because there 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.840 were so many leads, but then so many problems happened, 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.560 and all the leads didn't really help out at all, 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:28.000 didn't pan out. A college student actually found the body 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.319 a day sooner, on February twenty fifth, but waited to 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.719 call the police until the next day after he went 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.080 to talk to a priest, and so because of that 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:41.200 that fucked the case because the cold slows down decomposition, 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.080 so it was impossible to tell how long the boy 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:48.600 had been dead. So if any of you are listening, 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.320 don't waste time going to a priest. 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.080 Please please just go tell the authorities. 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.399 So when I was home a few months ago there, 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.680 like I was staying back at the condo, you know, 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.960 my Scope condo, and there was like an Amazon Prime 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.319 food delivery downstairs that was not picked up for like 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.680 a day and a half, and I thought, I was like, 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.000 someone died. I'm like, I know, someone died, Like why 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.120 else whence you could get your groceries? And then I 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.319 was like, well, maybe it's just scheduled. And they didn't 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.160 realize they'd be out of town for Thanksgiving and they 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.200 just showed up like I don't know, but it was 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:27.000 I didn't call anybody, but I'm gonna keep I don't know, 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:29.360 I don't know, but it was groceries. 0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.319 It's kind of weird or like if you saw like 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.839 a food delivery of any kind like just sitting there 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:35.560 for a day, you'd be like yeah. 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.400 And then it was already so late, it was like 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.319 past midnight, and I was like, do I buzz up 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.759 to an apartment at this time of night, and I 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.440 didn't do anything, So I did not see something say something, 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:47.880 So I should check in and see if there was 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.800 a death in the building. Okay, neither here nor there, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.640 and we're back. But yeah, if you find a dead body, 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:59.320 don't make a pit stuff at the church. Just call somebody. 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:00.080 Anyway. 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:04.279 The autopsy confirmed the child was beaten to death and 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:08.400 was ill and undernourished. Like I said up top, his 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.600 baby teeth were intact and he had never ever been 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.000 to a dentist. His body had small scars that looked 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.960 like surgical incisions, but they asked local doctors and hospitals 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.160 and there were no records of him or any surgeries. 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:22.239 Like, nothing turned up. 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:25.680 Photographs of the boy's face were printed in newspapers and 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:29.400 hung on storefronts and mailed with utility bills throughout Philly 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:34.880 and beyond. They checked orphanages and other child care institutions. 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:35.240 Nothing. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.920 This case really reads like an SVU episode legit, like 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.360 it's a treasure hunt relay race of place to place 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:45.600 to place to place, and so it's not just SVEW magic. 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:47.719 It's like, this is what the cops are doing. 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:48.560 I'm just running around. 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.239 It's like it's just like so crazy that like no 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.279 one because you'd think, oh, well, the parents would have 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.799 reported him missing unless the mom is dead or the dad, 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:57.719 you know, like unless they've also been killed. And then 0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.520 this kid was taken and killed in a different way 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.279 or something. No, the parents killed the kid, yeah or 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.759 the Yeah, I'm thinking of various things, like a kid 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.560 was missing, like they're they're like a couple of different ways, 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:12.600 like that the parents killed the kid, or whoever killed 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.359 the kid also killed the parents. But like what I'm 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:19.160 saying is no one recognized this kid. No family member, 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:22.000 no neighbor, like nobody recognized who. 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:23.359 This kid was that they just never saw. 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.480 Again, I kept thinking about Eileen Warnos in a way, 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.200 and the community knew she was being abused and. 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.680 I'm not, but like she did live in the woods, 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:32.520 and so. 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.240 I thought about her here where It's like maybe these 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:40.960 are off the grid. Sure, weirdos like that lived in 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:44.840 the woods somewhere or like you know a lot of 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.399 people don't know if they were unhoused, like. 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.880 Maybe so true. There's just so much shit. 0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:54.840 Yeah, and I guess in nineteen fifty seven, it's like 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.040 people are just kind of like you could leave town 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.279 and no one would really know, like, oh, we're moving by, 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:01.920 and like no, you know, no one knows where you've gone. 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.399 And it's not you can't track people as much as now, 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:04.680 you know. 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.640 Yeah, Like you're right, Like a whole family could have 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.359 been like we're moving and then killed this kid, left 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:12.200 him in ditched town, like yeah, but then at least 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.440 the community would have recognized recognized him. 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:15.040 That's what I'm like. 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:19.720 Yeah, they did find a man's corduroy cap near the body, 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.399 and they traced it to a store, which I'm impressed with. 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:26.000 In nineteen fifty seven, the owner recognized the strap from 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.520 a man in his twenties who came in alone, but 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:30.520 nothing was that special about him and they could never 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:34.600 find him. They traced the cardboard box to another store. 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.840 It was one of a dozen that held bascinets that 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:41.720 were sold from December third, nineteen fifty six to February sixteenth, 0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:45.759 nineteen fifty seven. So they found these boxes, but that 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:46.680 was the dead end. 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:49.800 God, that makes me feel like though, if the parents 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:53.560 killed this boy, that they had another kid, like a 0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:55.000 baby from a basinette that. 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.320 Used the cat nut yeah. 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.640 So anyway, so they tracked down all but one buyer 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:04.400 of the bassinette. Wow, which is amazing since it was 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:06.160 a cash only place. 0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:07.080 Wow. 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:11.160 Yeah, so good classic detective work. I mean, these are 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.439 the detectives you want to fuck, you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:17.439 these are these are the hotties. But yeah, no, luck, 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:19.799 I can't believe they tracked all those boxes down. 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:20.520 But yeah, nothing. 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.920 So then tons of tips and theories. Obviously, maybe the 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.960 boy was a refugee who came to America after the 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:32.239 Hungarian Revolution of nineteen fifty six, so they checked eleven 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:37.080 thousand Hungarian passports, found nothing. Then they go, maybe he 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:40.600 could have been the son of wandering carnival workers. And 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.760 all these carnival workers were cleared that they looked into. 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.120 But that's another thing we didn't think of, like traveling 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:50.120 job people. I didn't you know, Maybe they were son 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:53.480 of a traveling roofer who worked in the area and left. 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:55.879 The roofer was found and he was with his son, 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:59.880 who was safe and chilling, happy, And then I don't know, 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.759 say this, it's the VIDOC society v I D O 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.680 c Q. Yeah that sounds I don't like a queue 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.880 without a U though, it makes me comfortable. 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.200 And end of the word Q is weird. Yeah so 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:15.400 rock No, that's not even now, that's not with a Q. Oh, hypnotic, 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:16.520 That's what I was thinking of. 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:17.560 Hypnotic. 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.319 We used to drink that hypnotique. It's like blue. We 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:21.160 used to get that. 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.680 For fun New York, for fun. So yeah. 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:28.200 The VIDOC Society is a Philadelphia group composed largely of 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:34.080 law enforcement professionals who investigate unsolved crimes that have been 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:35.560 unsolved for a really long time. 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:37.080 So they adopted this case. 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.600 And if you guys are thinking this society seems kind 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:44.400 of familiar, you're correct. Chester Lake, if you remember, was 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.320 a member of this crises. 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.360 And he would go down to Philly for their meetings. 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.360 Yeah yeah, so and this is I think it's the 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:53.400 episode where he ends up killing the person and getting 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:56.480 arrested and peace out. And there's like another actress who 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.680 works totally in this Philly group. I would love to 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.480 be able to join. I wonder if you could just 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.520 be a regular podcaster and joy No, I think you 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:08.080 have to have law enforcement, but maybe they need my eyes. 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:11.320 Because trust me, podcasters have knocked on their doors. 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:11.880 I'm sure. 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.960 Oh man, Yeah, maybe they need fresh eyes. You guys 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:18.879 need fresh podcasting eyes on this case. 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:23.560 And then a real life Melinda Warner is a member 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.920 of this onsolved group and she was a medical examiner 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.360 at the time, and she was like haunted by the case. 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.400 And her name is Remington Bristow. That is from a 0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.000 movie that name Remy. I bet they call her Remy 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.120 Remington Bristow, I mean, and that's a gun. I wonder 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.640 if like her parents were in the Armed Force Cop 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.239 World too, Remington Bristow. 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:47.399 Wait, is that a man? 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:47.640 Oh? 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:49.200 I just assumed it was a woman because I said 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:54.480 Melinda Warner. Yeah, I think it's a man. Yes it is, 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:55.560 but I wish it wasn't. 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:57.279 So. 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:57.920 Yeah, he was. 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.400 Obviously haunted by this, and he carried a death of 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:02.640 the child in his briefcase, which clearly makes me think 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:03.120 he did it. 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:05.799 You're a creep. What's happening? No, And a. 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:08.959 Death mask is a wax or plaster cast or mole 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:11.200 taken from the face of a dead individual. 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:13.040 Oh wow, I've never heard of that. 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:17.480 So they're true portraits and sometimes they change, you know, 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.480 if so, like because of the eyes you have to 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:24.120 close the eyes or shit like that. Yeah, So he 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.240 carried this mold of this kid's face. So he's a freak. 0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:30.400 I don't know if I like Remington anymore. So Remington's 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.600 theory was the child was the son of unmarry of 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:37.240 an unmarried daughter of a couple who ran a foster 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:38.960 home in an old mansion. 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:42.080 So that's his idea. 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.840 You know, we all no idea is a bad idea JK. 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.640 And then in nineteen ninety eight, the body was exhumed 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:54.080 and reburied at Ivy Hills Cemetery and it was a 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:58.839 plot donated by the cemetery. And during this exhumation and reburial, 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.240 they obtained the boy's d and put it in the system. 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:03.040 So they're hoping one. 0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:05.480 Day, maybe they'll be like a familial match one day 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:06.080 or something. 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:08.839 Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. Wow. 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:14.160 Other members of the Secret Society Solving group is William H. 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:18.680 Kelly and he's a retired Philadelphia detective and Joseph mcgillan, 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:22.280 a retired investigator of the Emmy's Office. And they believe 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:24.240 that there was a woman who grew up in Philly 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.759 and she says that when she was a child, her 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.400 parents brought a boy home and kept him in the basement. 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.400 One day, this woman said that her mother battered the 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:36.719 boy to death and drove him with her to the 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:38.800 patch of woods to dispose of the body. 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:40.040 Okay, so this is Anna. 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:45.640 Yeah, And the woman told her story to Kelly and 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:49.400 mcgillan in the early two thousands in front of a psychiatrist, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.360 and she decided to come forward after a television reprise 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.880 of the case. And the retired detectives do think she 0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:01.040 is the real deal, but other but other members and 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.920 retired Philly cops and an FBI agent who's the president 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.040 of the VIDOC Society are not sure and say that 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.480 and nothing she has said has been proven, right, But 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.279 that's the last kind of bit of information. And it 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:18.600 is obviously like SVU was inspired by this woman, But 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:19.120 why would you. 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:20.759 I don't know if you can make this up. 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.080 I guess that's another thing too, is like there could 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.160 this could have been a foster kid, is what they're saying. 0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:28.439 And like then there's like a lot of foster kids 0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:32.200 bounce around and you know, nobody's keeping track, Like I 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.520 don't know what the records were like in nineteen fifty seven, 0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:35.319 but you know. 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.560 That's so fucked up. Yeah, but it's also probably so 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:40.239 strange to be. 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:42.880 A kid, and I I doubt someone that would be 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.080 a kid that they kept in the basement would treat 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.799 other kids well. But you are being treated better than Like, 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:49.799 what would you do if your mom came home with a. 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:51.040 Boy and locked him in the basement. 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:54.000 Yeah, it's it's kind of like what happened with Nick 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.000 Murray Brown, where they were all these other kids, but 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:58.600 Nick Murray got all of the of the brunt of 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:00.640 the violence, and the other kids were just like happy 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:03.120 it wasn't them. You know, I think you go into 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.319 survival mode. So yeah, like I said, it is a 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:06.799 cold case. 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.080 And then the next case that is really closely linked 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.080 to the SVU episode, I wouldn't really be able to 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.000 cover one of these, and you'll see how many similarities. 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:18.720 It's called the Clinton Avenue five, not to be confused 0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:21.760 with the Central Park five. But you guys are amazing 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.040 smart people. I don't think you would be confused, but. 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:26.080 I was, okay. 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:32.080 So on August twentieth, nineteen seventy eight, five teenagers disappeared 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:36.440 in Newark, New Jersey. So the five teens were named 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:44.480 Melvin Pittman, Ernest Taylor, Alvin Turner, Randy Johnson, and Michael McDowell. 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:46.560 So those are the boys. 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:53.040 And they were black boys, and so obviously would this 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.640 case be handled differently if it was five white boys. 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:58.360 And I think we can assume yes, And that is 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:02.240 something to think about while we talk about this. And 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:05.520 the boys did everything together. They were always together, best friends. 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:08.720 And so they were playing basketball at west Side Park 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:12.520 before meeting up on Clinton Avenue to earn some money 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.200 by helping a local contractor move And this local contractor 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:18.240 did this all the time, and like teens helped him out, 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:19.840 and it was kind of known in the community. It 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:24.760 wasn't like it wasn't like a classic like you've always 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.400 want some candy, Like it was a familiar guy in 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:28.240 the neighborhood. 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:30.080 It wasn't a loose contractor. 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.600 So basically after the game, like they all went home 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:35.800 to change, maybe grab a bite to eat, and then 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.240 they all came back to the corner of Fabian Place 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:43.200 in Clinton Avenue. The contractor's name is Lee Evans. He 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:46.080 told police he picked them up to help move boxes, 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.720 but drop them back off on Clinton Avenue and they 0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:50.880 were never seen again. But like he dropped them off 0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:54.320 and the truck was last seen after ten pm at 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:57.880 Fabian and Clinton, So the truck was seen there at 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.840 night where you know where the boys were last scene? 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.720 So was it a drop off? Was he just driving around? 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.880 We don't know, And there was a sixth teen on 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:09.400 the truck but the dad made him get off before 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:10.400 they left. 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:11.880 Oh wow. 0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:15.920 Yeah, there was no evidence, not a trace. But also 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:18.120 it's like how is there no evidence? There's a contry, 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.400 like get the evidence? What do you mean there's no evidence? 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:23.640 Did they not search the fibers of the truck? Like, 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:27.720 I just I don't trust that there was no evidence? Yeah, 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.600 did they search this fucker's house? Like I just don't 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.960 believe this case. Like we'll get to how little information 0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:35.720 that really is, but like, I just what do you mean? 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.640 No trace, no evidence? They were last scene places and 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:42.520 they are children with stuff, Like I just don't get it. Yeah, 0:59:42.720 --> 0:59:46.560 but he passed the lie detector test, so he was cleared. 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:48.280 So nuts. 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:53.800 They tried hard to solve it, apparently asking advice from psychics. 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:56.320 Hello, Sebastian Valentine. 0:59:56.840 --> 1:00:01.000 So that's how desperate they got. They were legit like 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:04.920 talking to psychics. They followed hundreds of leads. Apparently I 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.560 just don't trust I just am really, I mean, I'm 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:11.040 upset in every fucking case. So they followed hundreds of leads, 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:16.440 apparently searched mental wards, youth houses, circuses, looked into mass 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:20.320 suicides because like Jones Township was happening around the same time, 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.959 so they're like, maybe they're in occult and killed themselves. 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:27.640 They also were trying to match the kids to like 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.880 any mass murders from all over the country, like they 1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.640 just they found no links. And I'm like, it is Lee, 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.040 it is Lee Evans. It is Lee Evans. I don't care. 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:40.840 It is fucking him. Photos of him like he has 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:43.480 he has shark alligator eyes. There's no soul. There's no 1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:46.680 soul in his eyes. I could tell. I mean, it's 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:51.800 like Marcus Guess what's Marcus Wesson? Like there are killers 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:56.040 where you could just there's no there's nothing that. 1:00:57.680 --> 1:00:59.560 It was just cold Richard. 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.680 Ramirez, you know, like you could just tell somethings off. 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.120 But I also know this information. 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:06.800 If I saw him walking down the street, would I 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:08.680 think this too, I don't know, But just looking at. 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:11.560 His photos made me think, like, you have no fucking soul. 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:15.200 So they did have one lead, where an unidentified caller 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:18.840 said that the five had been arrested for trying to 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.200 steal a truck in DC, but there were no records 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:25.760 of that. And how are like five teens getting to 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:28.080 and from DC in the seventies. 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:30.120 I don't know, I don't I have no idea. 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:33.240 But and they traced the call to the National Visitors 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:36.200 Center in DC, but like couldn't find who made the call, 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:38.760 but they said that they are in DC. 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:41.080 So then the case was. 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:44.160 Reopened again in nineteen eighty six when a psychic said 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:46.720 the bodies could be found at a garbage site south 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:47.640 of Newark Airport. 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:50.920 This is why we're opening up reopening cases based on 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:52.240 the words of psychics. 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:54.520 Better than nothing, I mean, if it's a cold case, 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:56.520 it's like, fine, let's fucking do it. 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:58.360 No luck though. 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:02.120 Other theory were that they maybe moved to DC and 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:05.920 joined an underground religious sect, but there is no proof. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:07.880 And also like there's. 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:10.280 Just no way five boys would all get into that, 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.000 Like one of them would have been like this isn't 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:13.480 for me and would have gone home, you know what 1:02:13.480 --> 1:02:15.600 I mean, Like, there's just no way five boys are 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:17.320 of the same mind to do anything. 1:02:17.760 --> 1:02:19.960 Yeah, and they didn't give off troubled runaway vibes. And 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:23.600 like you said, all five of them decided to ditch 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:26.520 their family. Like, I don't know, teens are impressionable, but 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:28.960 that seems like a lot to ask them for your friends. 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:34.240 Completely also not a fun fact. But at any given 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:36.760 I didn't think about this at any given time in 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:40.840 our country. There are thousands of bodies that lay unidentified 1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:44.080 in morgs around the country. We don't think about this. Yeah, 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.400 there's fucking dead bodies found all over the place. People 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:48.760 are dying left and right, and no one I don't 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:51.840 So there's like tech Like this article was from like 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:53.280 two thousand and eight or something. I don't know, but 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:58.400 the number was forty thousand. Wow, so who knows. So 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:01.360 in two thousand and eight, one of the teen's sisters 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:04.600 volunteered a swab off of her cheek cells, hoping to 1:03:04.640 --> 1:03:06.320 be matched with one of the corpses. 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:07.560 No luck. 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:13.560 Then, in twenty ten, Essex County Prosecutor's office announced that 1:03:13.600 --> 1:03:17.280 Evans was arrested for the crime along with his cousin 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:21.480 Philander Hampton, and were charged with luring the boys to 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.120 the house in Newark and locking them in the house 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:29.360 and setting the house on fire. They allegedly burned the 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:33.720 boys as retaliation for the boys stealing some weed. So 1:03:34.520 --> 1:03:38.520 this Philander guy, he was in jail for something else 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:43.480 and he decided to confess to these crimes while in jail. 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:45.920 So there is no happending. 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:50.400 Like bone or anything at the house fire it gets 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.479 for okay, So okay, sorry, no, it's not your fault. 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:55.600 It's a fucking mess. Our world is a mess. 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:59.720 So yeah, the allegedly it's like they sold So what 1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:01.680 this Hampton guy said was like the boys stole a 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:05.120 pound of weed and so Lee locked them in a 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:08.960 closet at gunpoint and burned the house down. 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:11.360 Like what the fuck? 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:16.840 But the police treated this fire and the missing teens 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:20.520 as separate cases and didn't ever investigate for bodies in 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:21.040 the fire. 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:24.920 Okay, but also what closet? What house? 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:27.400 Is this an abandoned house because of those leice house, 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:29.640 you'd look into it. So it's like, but if this, 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:31.640 if he was a contractor and he was hired to 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:34.240 work on this house that burnt down and he was 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:37.080 last seen, why wouldn't they have investigated it? Or was 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.360 this just like some abandoned weird house he knew about. Yeah, 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:43.560 maybe that he tricked them into thinking there was work 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:45.960 and then burnt it down and that's why it wasn't connected. 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:49.840 Like it's just hard. It's just hard to figure it out. 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:51.520 But like I don't know if there was just a 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:54.800 fire in town and then a missing person, like is 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:55.680 it common sense? 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:58.040 Just yeah, like search the rebel. 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:02.800 I don't know, but it's just like sad, And it's 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.560 sad to think about these boys friends in a closet 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:09.560 together slowly die, Like it's just really horrifying to think about. 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.080 I mean, hopefully this isn't true. I don't know. 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:17.200 So the Newark Fire Department then later admitted that they 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:21.439 often let abandoned buildings burn, like in the late nineteen seventies, like. 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:24.440 They just oh maybe, so was there an abandoned building. 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:27.040 If it was burned to the ground and like there 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:29.240 was never an attempt to put it out, then it's possible. 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:31.960 I guess that the body's fully burnt up, like even 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:32.440 the bone. 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:35.560 But I thought that I'm going off of making a. 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:38.560 Murderer with like the Teresa Hallbach evidence, where like they 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:41.520 found fragments of bone in the burned in of when 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.680 like so that I didn't think bone ever fully fully 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:47.240 burned up unless it was like a super super like yeah. 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:48.919 Because I don't know the case that. 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:51.720 I don't know that case, but like if the fire 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:53.400 department came and put it out, maybe. 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:54.480 That like saves the evidence. 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:57.080 And you're right if they just let like buildings burn 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:00.880 So yeah, it was an abandoned building and the fire 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:01.920 department just let. 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:03.480 It burn down. Yeah. 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:06.720 I mean this is like the quote unquote best theory, 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:08.400 but I don't want this to be true. 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:12.120 Uh huh. So, like I said, this case came out or. 1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:14.400 This so this all came out because Hampton was in 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:17.280 jail for unrelated crimes and then confessed to this crime 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:21.280 and implicated Evans, but there was no evidence except his word. 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:24.520 And we know how courts were like Casey Anthony, Hello, 1:06:24.680 --> 1:06:26.920 you need a body and you need how the murder happened. 1:06:26.920 --> 1:06:30.640 You can't. It's not a gossip court, Okay. So since 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:34.240 no human remains were found where they were, like, there's 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:39.000 no case. But Hampton accepted a plea deal, but he 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:42.840 served only ten years for the five murders and he 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:45.920 had to testify against Evans, who was acquitted of the crime. 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:48.040 Because there's no fucking evidence. 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:50.320 Oh my god. And this guy asked to say in 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:52.600 jail for ten more years when he didn't well, but 1:06:52.760 --> 1:06:54.320 he did. Wow, nothing to do with it. 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:57.720 Yeah, he should have said something earlier. This is true. 1:06:58.080 --> 1:07:01.560 And Hampton was released from prison in February twenty seventeen, 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:07.240 and there's no other theories. Lee Evans was pissed and 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:10.200 after the trial, filed a civil suit in superior Court 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:14.280 against the Essex County Prosecutor's office, the Newark Police Department, 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:16.160 and US Senator Cory Booker. 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:19.960 Is funny to me, Yeah, mister Rosario Dawson. 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:23.160 People said it's a hard case because he has to 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:26.800 prove to the like that the prosecutors lacked probable cause 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:30.040 to arrest him. But they have that, you know, like 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:32.200 if you're the last scene with the bodies, you have 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:36.920 probable crouse. So I don't I found no information on 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:39.959 how the civil case panned out, which I think means 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.680 it was thrown out or like not really happened, because 1:07:42.680 --> 1:07:45.400 if he settled, maybe it would be printed. I don't know, 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:50.360 So no information on how the civil lawsuit worked out. 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:53.040 He said that he is just trying to clear his name. 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:56.439 He's like, I volunteered info to the cops and gave 1:07:56.480 --> 1:08:00.920 them information and like insists that the cops had other 1:08:00.960 --> 1:08:05.120 witnesses who saw the boys after he left them. He said, 1:08:05.160 --> 1:08:07.960 if he never said anything, he would have never been involved. 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:10.919 And instead of using his lead, they used it against him. 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:17.879 To me, it's classic sociopaths. Yeah, like behavior, but whatever. 1:08:18.840 --> 1:08:22.080 Terry Lawson, who was the brother of Michael McDowell, one 1:08:22.120 --> 1:08:25.360 of the missing teens, said that this lawsuit is bullshit 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:28.599 and it's an insult and in quotes, he walked away 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:31.920 from a murder and he's still at it. That's just ridiculous, 1:08:32.640 --> 1:08:35.040 meaning like, bro, you came out on top, like you're 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:37.200 not in jail, Like, shut up. 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:39.880 Shut up. You don't get now, you don't now get money. 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:44.080 Also, yeah, but if Lee is innocent, that's a bummer 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.439 for him, but also, you're not in jail. 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:49.040 I don't know. I think he did it. Yeah, it 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:50.360 sounds like he did it. 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:54.200 And I'm sure you all feel the same way. But 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:58.720 it is just fucked that five teens can vanish in 1:08:58.760 --> 1:09:03.439 a major American city and the story is completely unknown 1:09:03.560 --> 1:09:04.920 with no evidence. 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:07.120 That's strange. 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:12.000 This journalist and author James Queally quality. I don't know 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:16.080 why so many vowels, but he had the same experience 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:18.880 and reaction as me. Like when you google this case, 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:23.679 you get a sparse Wikipedia, some blogs, an occasional article, 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.320 but the articles are mostly from the twenty ten arrests 1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:31.599 and that trial, So from nineteen seventy eight to twenty ten, 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:37.439 there's really like nothing. It's like the least amount of 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:38.840 sources I've used for. 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:40.479 One of these. 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:44.920 And so is this case considered solved since one man 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:47.360 served some time for it even though the other man 1:09:47.479 --> 1:09:48.439 was acquitted, it's not. 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:53.200 It's probably not nice anymore because we don't know. Yeah, nobody, 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:58.080 nothing but crazy. It's so sad that this happened for 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:00.479 like if this, if this is true, it's like I 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:03.200 don't know what's worse, not knowing and hoping. 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.679 Something like and it's like you're out on the streets, 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:07.840 you're like with your friends. You're thinking, oh, I'm in 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:10.400 a group, like I'm safe, you know, like cause I'm 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:12.880 in a like I'm not walking the street alone, and 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:16.040 then you just get picked up with all your best 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:22.640 friends and vanish. It's really crazy and sad. Yeah, but 1:10:23.560 --> 1:10:25.720 we have a great interview, guys, and it's going to 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:27.759 pick you right back up off the floor, so. 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:29.240 Stay right with us. 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:40.160 Okay, you guys, we have quite the guest for you today. 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:41.520 She's so accomplished. 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.840 You've seen her on everything from All My Children to 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:47.080 Devious Maids, The Shield, on My Block and of course 1:10:47.600 --> 1:10:51.040 Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. But today we 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:52.960 are delighted to talk to her about her role as 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:57.959 Millie vis Krando. Please check out our chat with Paula Garcis. 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.400 Well, we started going through your IMDb and we're like, wait, 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:02.679 what nineteen ninety four? 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:07.760 Like, it was really shocking. You've been You've been killing it. 1:11:07.800 --> 1:11:11.879 You're in so many cult classics and so many projects. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:14.120 What do you get recognized for the most when you're 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:15.400 out and about law and hotter. 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:19.760 SVU is totally up there. It's totally up there, and 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:22.880 that's the reason why I'm here. I mean, you ladies 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:26.519 are lovely, but Spu kills it for me all the time, 1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:33.000 and Harold and coolmar the Shield and lately on my Block. 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:36.360 No oh, yes, Well, Kara has a friend I know, 1:11:36.520 --> 1:11:38.880 Jessica Garcia. 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:43.920 She's so great and she's having a baby that's right, 1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:44.920 so exciting. 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:48.479 So SVU, like you were living in New York was 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:50.080 did you know it was a big well you've done 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.479 other Dick Wolf stuff. How did it feel as a 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:55.160 New Yorker to book it? How is the audition process 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:56.839 and like all of that kind of stuff. 1:11:57.320 --> 1:12:01.759 So my Law and Hotter story is actually really really cool. 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:05.960 Law and Order, the original, the one with Michael Moriarty, 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:10.639 was actually my first TV gig, if I remember correctly, 1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:15.479 back in nineteen it's either eighty eight or eighty nine. 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:20.320 And I was super excited about it because it like 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:25.920 legitimized my sagcard. So because of it, I was able 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:29.840 to become a SAG member and the whole nine yards 1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:33.720 And obviously Law and Order at the time was amazing 1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:36.040 and it still is, and it was a big deal, 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.240 and Michael Moriarty was like so famous, and I was 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:42.439 just like, wow, he's like real, He's like a real actor, 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:44.920 and I'm like, I'm going to be like a real actress, 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:48.880 and so that that was an amazing experience. But then 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:55.080 years later I did a movie directed by Jamie Redford, 1:12:55.280 --> 1:12:59.559 Robert Redford's son, called Spin. And the reason why I'm 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:03.240 telling him story is because James. It was James Redford. 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:07.479 May he rest in peace, because he passed away pretty 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.680 pretty soon, like it was a couple of months ago 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:16.080 if I remember correctly. But he was very good friends 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:17.000 with Neil Bear. 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:21.639 We love Neil. Yeah, he's been on our podcast two times. 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:23.160 Okay, so you. 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:27.120 Know that he's like og right, And they were very 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:31.040 good friends. And after I did his movie, he sent 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:33.680 the movie to Neil Bear and he was like, I 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:36.200 think you should have this girl on your show on 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:39.320 law and on her SCU and he set up a 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:43.320 meeting and I met Neil Bearer here in Los Angeles. 1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:45.880 I happened to be in Los Angeles doing pressed for 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:48.960 the movie, and I sat down with Neil Bear and 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:49.760 I couldn't believe it. 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:51.000 I was like, I can't believe I'm. 1:13:50.920 --> 1:13:55.720 Actually like in this legit like showrunner meeting. And he 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:58.960 was just like asking me things about New York and 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:01.360 we just like had a meeting, and then he said 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:04.040 that I should I should do like a casting session 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:08.599 with Jonathan Strauss, who has always been my homiet. He's 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:11.960 been very very supportive of bringing me in for a 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:14.640 lot of Law and Order stuff and other shows. And 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:18.559 obviously he casted me like way way way back, and 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.920 so he was like, sure, you know, let's do it. 1:14:20.960 --> 1:14:24.040 And I think I read a little bit and that's 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.040 how I got on Law and Order SPU. 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:28.480 It was so cool. 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:31.040 Because I was a huge fan, of course of Marishka 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:35.680 Hargate and Christopher Maloney, and I see like I was 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:36.479 all over that. 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.560 I really went into it first. 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:43.679 As a fan, and that's how I did my meeting 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:46.439 with Neil Bhrer more like a fan. Like I remember 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:50.160 rambling the way I am now and talking about like 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:53.080 my favorite episodes and this and that, and he was like, Wow, 1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:55.519 you really are into it. You're not like just saying 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:57.799 nice things to get the gig. And I'm like, dude, 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:00.280 I know everything. I know a Firshia has done through 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:01.360 I know what Christopher looked. 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:03.000 Why don't they kiss? 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:08.760 Like why aren't like the show? 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:13.160 But yeah, is there anything when you showed up to 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:15.519 set as like a fan of the show, knowing so 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:18.679 much information that you were kind of surprised by didn't 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:20.759 expect something wild? 1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:23.160 You know what? 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:26.599 What I what really sticks out for me, uh, apart 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:27.760 from acting. 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:30.280 On the show is the fact that Dick. 1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:33.679 Wolf In in like the middle of my first episode, 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:37.360 which I don't remember if it was Name or I 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:39.479 think it was Name. I think Name was the first 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:43.440 one that I did. And in the middle of the episode, 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:45.840 they were like, oh, Dick Wolf wants you to come 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:47.680 into his office and talk to him. And I was like, 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.479 I'm so fired, Like he's gonna fire me. He hates 1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:53.760 my job. He hates my work like I so. And 1:15:53.880 --> 1:15:57.960 he was really really like serious, and I was very nervous, 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:00.719 and he was like, hey, hey, listen. 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:03.000 I like what you're doing. 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:06.679 And it's really cool, but there's there's something about your voice. 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:11.120 It's really high pitched and the rhythm the way you 1:16:11.200 --> 1:16:14.000 talk is way too fast for us. And it was 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:16.559 funny really, but I have to give all a lot 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:20.400 of information. I was like pleading my case and he's like, listen, 1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:22.680 if you're into it, we want to send you to 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:26.679 a voice coach, and they were. And MY first thought 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:29.479 was like, that's really cool. I've never been to a 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:32.080 voice coach and I'm totally down to that. But God, 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:33.720 that sounds so expensive. 1:16:34.200 --> 1:16:35.439 And I think he saw it. 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:38.960 I don't know if I voiced that concern to him 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:41.920 or if he just read it in my like physicality, 1:16:42.200 --> 1:16:44.200 and he was like, don't worry. I think we can 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:46.600 afford it. The show got the show has you. 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:48.120 Yeah, well we'll pay for it. 1:16:48.439 --> 1:16:52.400 And so I remember that being like one of my concerns. 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:53.640 But I loved it. 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:56.080 I loved going to a voice coach and I learned 1:16:56.120 --> 1:17:00.200 how to how to control the tone of my voice 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:03.600 and my voice more mature and people. 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:05.000 Could understand me a little bit more. 1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:08.120 And I was I also had some issues with uh, 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:11.400 with my accent, Like sometimes my accent was like a 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:14.240 little to New York, believe it or not for the show, 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:18.040 and the Latino thing would come through and the street 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:20.639 thing would come through. So like I learned a lot 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:23.719 from actually being on the show, Like I got really 1:17:24.320 --> 1:17:28.840 an education from the inside out, behind the scenes and 1:17:28.880 --> 1:17:30.160 also in front of the camera. 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:32.160 And I just. 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:38.439 Remember being really really excited being told that because Marishka 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:41.439 had just found out that she was pregnant and she 1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:43.920 was about to want to take a little bit of 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:46.360 leave of absence because she wanted she wanted to just 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:49.960 relax and do her pregnancy, that would I be okay 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:54.000 with kind of like being next to Christopher on a 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:55.360 couple of more episodes. 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:56.240 So in the beginning. 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:59.440 I was just brought on to be on one episode, 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:02.360 and then it just so happened Marishka was pregnant and 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:04.240 she was leaving a little bit, and so they gave 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:07.200 me a little bit of more of an arc and 1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:10.400 I was like, oh my god, so I'm not being fired. 1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:12.840 They were going to give me a voice coach, and 1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:15.479 then he was like, yeah, you know, I were thinking 1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:19.639 of more than a couple, so maybe like three, maybe four, 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:22.799 depending on how you do and how the story flows. 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:24.920 And I was like so excited. 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:26.080 That's so cool. 1:18:27.040 --> 1:18:31.040 You mentioned all the stuff you had to say with 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:35.559 your lines. How is it memorizing CSU tech lines versus 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:38.000 just regular Is it a lot harder? And is there 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:41.479 special tricks you do to remember all the tech stuff? 1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:42.479 Yeah? 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:46.640 I remember being really challenged by all the information that 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:49.760 I had to give. And there's a certain rhythm to 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:52.280 it that you have to have in order to be 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:56.280 good at that job, you know. And I remember thinking, like, 1:18:57.280 --> 1:19:00.880 you know, my part is important. I'm giving all the 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:05.519 information on what potentially could have happened in this crime 1:19:05.600 --> 1:19:08.360 scene and how I see it being. 1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:11.040 Done and being and having having. 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:14.559 To explain it to obviously the detectives and the people 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:16.519 in the show, but also in a way where it 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:20.320 also engages in audience. So I remember, even though I 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:23.880 was still a very young actor, like I remember going 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:25.360 through like thinking about all. 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:27.240 Of those things and getting. 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:29.320 Like really deep in my head and then like trying 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:32.200 to eternalize it so that I could seem like I 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:36.679 knew what I was talking about. And I've always had 1:19:36.720 --> 1:19:39.599 to fight kind of like you guys mentioned in the beginning, 1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:41.559 you guys did a Cara was still nice to say 1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:44.360 that I still look at I know we're in a podcast, 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:48.639 and you know, those opinions might differ for other people, 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:51.439 but I still do get that my face is kind 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:53.240 of like sweet. 1:19:52.760 --> 1:19:53.960 And young or whatever. 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:58.240 And so I remember having to fight against that stereotype 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:01.880 that even a person that looked like me, maybe young 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:05.639 or small or cette, could be like powerful and could 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:09.080 be like could have an important job like in like 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:12.959 an as you know, like a CSU tech that gave. 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:13.640 A lot of information. 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:17.679 And also I was I was I remember even back 1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:20.880 then being kind of like I'm a Latina actress and 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:24.680 I want to make sure that I sound authentic but 1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:30.240 intelligent and powerful and and go against the stereotype of 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:34.599 what's mostly given to Latina actresses, and Law and Latter 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:37.559 was always one of those shows that that kind of 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:41.120 fought against that and gave you know, latinos a lot 1:20:41.160 --> 1:20:45.360 of really cool roles in you know, powerful positions and 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:50.160 intelligent things to say, not not just were we weren't. 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:50.680 Just the criminals. 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:52.760 We were the lawyers, and we were the cops, and 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:54.960 we were the people who were trying to be like 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:58.400 the heroes. So I've always had a lot of respect 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:00.960 for that, for the shows of that as well. 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:01.599 Well. 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:04.000 You definitely accomplished it. I mean I thought your character 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.960 was like, don't mess with this girl. You know, she's 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:10.360 got shit to do and a apartment full of files 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:12.559 and she's going through these cases on her own time. 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:15.599 Yeah, you like put Maloney in his place, a stabler 1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:19.840 or whatever like it. Really, I don't know, you guys 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:22.880 had chemistry. I felt chemistry with you guys. 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:23.920 Yeah, you know. 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:27.960 I had a great time with Christopher and both of them, 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:32.200 but Christopher in particular, I remember when I first when 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:34.840 I first got the park, going like, oh my god, 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:38.400 he could be one of these actors that could be 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:41.800 like either really cool or like mean, he might be mean, 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:44.000 you know, and how am I going to handle that? 1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:46.559 But he was so cool. 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:51.280 I remember, in order to get like the nervousness out 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:53.519 and sort of just relax, I used to go to 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:56.160 the gym. There was a gym in the studio that 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:59.479 we were filming at and he was always there, so 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:02.240 it was kind of away for me. I kind of 1:22:02.280 --> 1:22:04.639 after that, I was like, oh, so he hangs out 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:06.680 at the gym, okay, So I. 1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:07.080 Would go. 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:10.640 Not shocking, not shocking. 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:13.680 I would go to the gym to to sort of 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:17.080 try to like talk to him, and it works in 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:20.360 between like our cardio sessions. He would he would be like, so, 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:22.360 you know, how are you liking it? And I'm like, 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.920 I love it, you know, like just fill out all 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:30.280 this information. He was like, okay, right, well, let me 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:33.080 know if I could do anything. And I was like, well, 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:35.480 And so I would ask him a couple of questions 1:22:35.560 --> 1:22:39.600 about things that you know, I remember maybe not understanding 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.920 or why they wrote something a certain way, and he 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:44.920 would be and he would explain it to me, and he. 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:46.320 Was very very nice to me. 1:22:46.360 --> 1:22:49.840 And I remember also like in the scenes that we 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:56.120 did have together in between takes, sometimes he would be like, Wow, 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:58.800 that was so good, Paul, like that was that was. 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:00.559 Actually that was really really cool. 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:03.080 You know, I really liked the way you did that 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:06.280 or I didn't expect for you to make that choice 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:07.600 and it was actually. 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:07.920 The right choice. 1:23:07.920 --> 1:23:11.000 It was really cool. So he was very complimentary about 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:15.080 about my scenes with him, and I felt really after that. 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:17.720 I felt confident and I felt like really really nice. 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:20.960 So I really do have to say that Christopher was 1:23:21.040 --> 1:23:25.200 one of those people that really made me feel really good. Unfortunately, 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:29.160 I didn't have scenes with Marrige Graf, i remember correctly, 1:23:29.840 --> 1:23:31.960 but I did see her behind the scenes, like in 1:23:32.000 --> 1:23:34.880 the hair and make up area, and she was very 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:36.760 very nice to me, and I remember telling her like, 1:23:36.840 --> 1:23:39.040 oh my god, I can't believe I'd get on your 1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:43.160 show and I can't do anything with me. She's like, yeah, 1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:44.160 but you're relieving me. 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:45.519 You're relieving me alone. 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:50.280 Really but she was super super like just so dope 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:51.680 and strong and nice. 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:53.920 And in this episode you also got to do like 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:56.880 a couple of scenes with like Finn and Munch where 1:23:56.920 --> 1:24:00.479 they were like kind of maybe trying to, you know, 1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:03.719 disagree with you, and you were like, ah, So I 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:07.400 liked I liked how your character could stood up to them. 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:10.000 But inside as a fan where you like, oh my god, 1:24:10.040 --> 1:24:13.479 it's iced tea and mounch like I mean, you know, 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:15.280 I again. 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:18.600 I was a super super fan of the show, but 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:22.519 I grew up in Spanish farleams, so iced tea was 1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:25.200 like that was like another level. 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:27.840 I bet I grew up listening to. 1:24:27.800 --> 1:24:29.599 Him and and. 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:32.000 Knowing like his whole thing as a musician. 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.479 But then when he made this whole transition as an 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:39.360 actor and like totally legit and like you know and 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:43.599 like a total star, you know, all of in another 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:47.719 in another level right, like another another total a totally 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:52.040 different side of who he was. Uh it was. I 1:24:52.160 --> 1:24:53.759 respected that so much. 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:57.280 Well, he he realized you have to diversify, right, He 1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.320 was like, you this rap game might not go on 1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:02.080 forever for I gotta like, you know, and now it's 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:05.439 like he's twenty years on this hit show, you know. 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:10.000 And I remember like being really really excited about that 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:15.360 and totally inspired by that and respecting that whole you know, 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:19.719 that whole thing. And I was I was totally totally 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:21.639 like fanning out when I first met him. 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:24.519 And then what was really cool. 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:29.200 I'm sitting on set right was like on my Law 1:25:29.200 --> 1:25:33.400 and Order Actor Chair next so ic team, just like 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:37.600 shooting the breeze in between tapes and who comes to 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:38.400 visit him? 1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:47.840 Coca, Yes, Lilisa girl with like cleavage hanging out. 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:52.080 And I was like, yes, I was such a fan 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:55.400 of hers, and it's so cool. Because of the show, 1:25:56.080 --> 1:26:00.599 I was able to become friends with Coco and like she. 1:26:01.120 --> 1:26:01.879 Was so cute. 1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:04.360 At the time, she was doing like a reality show 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:06.599 and she was like, listen, I don't have a lot 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:08.640 of time to really hang out hang out, but if 1:26:08.680 --> 1:26:10.639 you want to like pretend hang out with me, come 1:26:10.680 --> 1:26:11.880 beyond my reality show. 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:12.320 And I did. 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:14.280 I was I was on her reality show. 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:16.599 If you want to come pretend to hang out, that's 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:17.320 so funny. 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:19.120 She's like, look, I gotta slot you in where I 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:19.840 can slot you in. 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.040 And she was like, if you want to hang out 1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:25.320 with me, I'm doing this reality show. And there's actually 1:26:25.360 --> 1:26:27.720 like a scene coming up where I'm like hanging out 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:30.639 with my girls and I'm gonna have some some drinks. 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:32.040 They're not going to be pretend. 1:26:32.120 --> 1:26:35.280 We're gonna have some real drinks. And she's like, you 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:37.559 can be part of the conversation and the drama, or 1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:39.759 you could just be like just hanging out. You're cute, 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:41.639 just like hang out with me, and I'm like all right, 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:43.160 And so what I did, I. 1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:47.000 Was just I had drinks with her. There was dancing after, 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:48.880 there was. 1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:51.800 Like cameras rolling, and there was some drama happening, but 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:54.720 I wasn't really understanding what the drama was about. So 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:57.080 I was I'm just there, like I step in my 1:26:57.240 --> 1:27:00.280 drink next week next to Coco and then I'm like 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:01.640 dancing in the background. 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:05.519 Oh my god, You're like living our dreams. Paula, I 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:09.040 don't know. We read about this while you were at SVU. 1:27:09.439 --> 1:27:13.400 You got offered The Shield, right, did you have to 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:14.400 like make a decision? 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:16.080 Was that tough? Was that like? 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:19.880 Was that as dramatic as how the Internet made it seem. 1:27:20.560 --> 1:27:25.000 The Shield was the hustle that I hustled for myself. 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:29.080 The Shield was another show that I was like completely 1:27:29.160 --> 1:27:33.280 obsessed with because at the time nothing was being shot 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:37.839 like The Shield. The story, the story of The Shield 1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:41.840 of you know, a cop that's like truly a bad 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:45.320 person becoming like this anti hero that you want to 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:48.280 like live through his story and you want to know 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:51.639 more about had never been done before the way Michael 1:27:51.720 --> 1:27:54.800 Chickos did it, and it was it was really like 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:57.360 innovative that show, and I really wanted to be on 1:27:57.360 --> 1:28:00.720 that show. And as a fact, and one of my 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:03.880 problems with the show was like, oh my god, the 1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:07.519 show is about LAPD but there's like not one Latin 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:08.479 a cap on the show. 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:11.760 But got for to read and so I remember. 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:14.479 Telling my agents and my managers like show them my 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:17.880 tape on that SPU like because they did not even 1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:22.240 want to audition me on the shield. Finally, somebody convinced 1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:26.320 somebody to let casting pre read me. 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:29.000 Casting pre read me, and. 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:31.759 She was like, Okay, they will never hire a girl 1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:35.120 like you. You look too soft, you're too pretty, like 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:37.360 maybe if you put your hair up in a bun. 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:39.120 Who's here with you? 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.240 And I was like, my husband's waiting for me downstairs 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:44.080 in the car, and she's like, go get his shirt, Like, 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:47.960 go put on his shirt, rub everything off of your face, 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:49.719 and then go in there. 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:53.000 And the way she said it, I think she. 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:56.120 Was kind of trying to make me pissed off on purpose. 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:58.160 Because when I went into the room. 1:28:58.040 --> 1:29:02.600 To finally read for like three, I read for like 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:04.840 four of the producers and two of the writers. There's 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:07.760 like five men in that room. I went in there 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:10.439 like with a chip on my shoulder. I was totally kissed, 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.479 you know, and I did something that you should never 1:29:13.680 --> 1:29:16.240 do on an audition as an actor, which is like 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:17.679 I basically told. 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:21.320 Them what was wrong with the show, and this is 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:23.559 a show on LAPC and you don't have not one 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:25.960 lat that cop and like I think my whole like 1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:29.759 Spanish Harlem accent was on like three thousand. 1:29:30.040 --> 1:29:32.640 I was like, that is so wrong and that is 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:35.400 I don't understand that because I love your show. 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:40.599 And amazing and basically was. 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:43.160 Like pitching how I should be on the show. 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:45.800 Like I rambled, and they were like, okay, whatever, Like 1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:47.400 they were looking at me like I was crazy. 1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:49.320 They gave me some copy. 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:53.519 I gave it my all and I left there thinking 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:56.519 like they're never going to book me. That was crazy 1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:59.080 what I just did. But they gave me one episode 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:01.240 and I started as. 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:01.920 A rookie cop. 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:05.280 And in the middle of that episode, one of their 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:09.920 big producers, Scott Brazil, him and Kurt Sutter, basically was like, 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:12.320 do you want to like stick around for a little 1:30:12.360 --> 1:30:15.320 while and be part of like the Shield Familia, and I. 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:21.400 Was like, yes, oh my god, Wow, I can't believe 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:23.519 you just like stood on you just like said what 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:26.080 you thought and like sold yourself so hard. 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:28.960 That's like, I think, like ezy Hollywood story. 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:34.120 Yeah, I basically sold myself to them. And the only 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:38.120 reason why I got on the Shield, honestly is because 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:42.360 Law and Order SBU did not ask me to do 1:30:42.400 --> 1:30:44.599 more episodes, because if not, I would have. I mean 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:46.320 I was in New York, I was home. I would 1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:49.759 have sit home and been on Law and Order. So yeah, 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:53.120 I don't know what's what's being what was written in the. 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:54.400 Internet about that whole thing. 1:30:55.120 --> 1:30:57.760 It was honestly just an actor that was out of 1:30:57.800 --> 1:31:01.760 work who was watching a lot of television was like. 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:03.800 I should be on that show. I should be on 1:31:03.880 --> 1:31:04.280 that show. 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.080 And I kind of hustled myself onto the Shield. 1:31:08.800 --> 1:31:10.880 So I know, right now you're on on My Block, 1:31:10.920 --> 1:31:14.240 which is on Netflix, amazing, and you've been directing on that. 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:17.160 You directed an episode of that, right, and so what 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:18.320 else is going on with you? 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:19.679 Do you have any other like projects? 1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:23.360 Well, hopefully she will be directing next season SVO. 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:23.800 Yes. 1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:27.479 Hopefully somebody hears this and knows that Paula is on 1:31:27.520 --> 1:31:31.000 the market for directing, so definitely. 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:33.680 I mean, I know that people are definitely listening to 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:37.040 Lisa and Kower because this podcast is awesome and you 1:31:37.040 --> 1:31:37.919 guys are amazing. 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:41.480 So I do think directing. 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:44.040 On Law and Order SVU is not impossible and would 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:47.400 be really really cool. I think my character could come 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:50.240 back and people would really dig that. I think people 1:31:50.320 --> 1:31:55.120 are into nostalgia right now and people really like like 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:58.840 to know, like what happened and what's their history and 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:01.080 what happened at couple of years. So I think that 1:32:01.120 --> 1:32:05.880 could be really cool. But the concrete stuff that I 1:32:05.920 --> 1:32:08.839 have coming up is On My Block has a spinoff 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:15.080 yeah wow, called free Ridge. They announced it before even 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:18.639 they knew what the last season of On My Block 1:32:18.680 --> 1:32:21.240 would do, So I have a feeling Netflix is really 1:32:21.280 --> 1:32:25.280 into it, and the producers Free Rich, which is the 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:28.559 spinoff of On My Block, they offered me to direct 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:32.639 an episode and they have offered me to recur on it. 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:33.800 So I don't know. 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:37.200 Maybe yeah, I don't know how many episodes or what 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:39.720 the story is, but I don't know. 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:41.040 I'm excited to find out. 1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:44.599 And I have my own superhero guys. 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:45.719 Oh my god. 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:50.560 A Luna is a comic book that I co created. 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:54.360 We have eight books, we have a graphic novel, and 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:57.960 she is her own video game now on Nintendo Switch 1:32:58.000 --> 1:33:02.599 and Steam and we're coming out on Xbox Oh my 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:04.960 wow soon PlayStations. 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:07.720 But yeah, you are like a never You're like a 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:10.519 non stop like, oh my god, you have so much 1:33:10.560 --> 1:33:10.920 going on. 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:14.000 Kids, mama got a hustle. 1:33:18.120 --> 1:33:20.760 Oh my gosh. She is a dream. I would have 1:33:20.800 --> 1:33:22.759 talked to her all day, so sweet. 1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:27.080 Yes, and we did not include this in what you heard, 1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:30.760 but she is living huge goals, my goals. She is 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:35.080 by coastal, so that is really exciting. So way to go, Paula. 1:33:35.479 --> 1:33:38.719 Yeah, and she's getting into directing, which I think is cool. 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:39.679 I mean, not everybody. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.479 She's a go getter. She's a go getter. I would say, 1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:44.920 aulas a hardcore go getter. 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:48.720 Yeah, So I mean, you know she's a go getter. 1:33:49.080 --> 1:33:51.200 Paula is, and so is her character Millie. I mean 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:56.240 working on this case, but I think, like you know 1:33:56.920 --> 1:34:02.640 that these cases are so sad, these unsolved cases, you know, 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:04.599 like I mean, if we're gonna do a post mornem, 1:34:04.640 --> 1:34:07.320 it's like there's not really Unfortunately, we don't know what 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:10.360 happened to any of these children, and it I know 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:12.280 that we are a cab a lot of the times, 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:14.400 but I think it is nice that some of these 1:34:14.400 --> 1:34:16.720 cops like paid for the grave and worked on it 1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:17.559 their whole lives. 1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:21.080 You know, I mentioned this in the episode, but when 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:23.839 Karen Kilgaroff told us that like the ones that haunted 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:27.360 the most are unsolved crimes, that wasn't something I thought about. 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:29.640 And then after this episode, I'm like, oh, yeah, there 1:34:29.680 --> 1:34:33.200 is something daunting, scary, sad that so many of these 1:34:33.240 --> 1:34:36.240 boys just like no one knows. And then to think 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:40.840 how many missing kids and disappeared people are out there 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:46.240 with no clues. It it's scary. Yeah, it's really scary. 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:48.680 And like with the real case where it's like at 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:50.719 least they have hope, and that's all that the parents. 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:53.559 At least they have hope, right and once they have 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:57.080 the definitive like the mom was like, actually I'd rather have. 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.839 Hope, Like you just actually ruined my life. Yeah. 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:03.280 Even worse, it's like, have you ever seen that Netflix 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:06.439 documentary that I think Tim Dillan is obsessed with about 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:09.280 Johnny Gosh, that's like, whatever happened. 1:35:09.000 --> 1:35:10.320 To Johnny or something like that. 1:35:10.720 --> 1:35:14.559 Yeah, that was like wild because like the mom swears 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:17.080 that her son came back as an adult and visited her, 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:18.960 and it's like you you wonder as like was that 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:19.559 a dream? 1:35:19.680 --> 1:35:20.719 Did that really happen? 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:24.960 Like, but it's like the hope that parents manifest, you know, 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:26.880 because it's like, yeah, they have that one day their 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:28.400 kid's just gonna like knock knock. 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:30.640 It's like must be. I don't know. 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:33.599 I can't tell what's worse to like know that your 1:35:33.640 --> 1:35:35.920 child is gone or to just have hope that that 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:37.960 you live with every day and that pain. 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:40.200 I don't know, because no matter what you're gonna think 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:43.040 about your kid. Yeah, like your life's not gonna be good, 1:35:43.120 --> 1:35:45.800 right right, You're gonna have a sad life. You know, 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:51.160 it's unnatural. It changes you, I think. But I don't know. 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:53.920 I don't know about the like that Johnny one because 1:35:53.920 --> 1:35:56.760 now I'm thinking, I mean, they found these bodies, they 1:35:57.240 --> 1:35:58.759 don't they never found the five boys. 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:00.320 I mean I do think that guy it. 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:02.680 But I also want to become a part of a 1:36:02.720 --> 1:36:05.920 secret society that tries to solve crime, Like can we 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:06.479 join it? 1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:07.719 Like can we pass a test? 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:11.479 Can we prove ourselves that like maybe we can maybe 1:36:11.479 --> 1:36:15.320 there is something that we can provide at provide the. 1:36:15.520 --> 1:36:18.240 I will say that this just for everybody. It is 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:20.519 called who Took Johnny? And it was on Netflix. I 1:36:20.560 --> 1:36:21.880 don't know if it still is, but it was called 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:22.639 who Took Johnny? 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:24.080 Why was I saying that was the first? Like milk 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:25.800 Carton kid? I think that was a part of it. 1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:29.439 And the theories are he's a sex slave for the government, 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:32.960 you know, like he was kidnapped by human trafficking rings, 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:36.320 snatched in the day less people. I think it's not well, 1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:39.320 I don't know. I really like when someone this was 1:36:39.320 --> 1:36:41.800 on the internet. I spent too much time on the internet. Well, 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:45.400 jed your friend when we were out, he was like, 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:49.360 you don't read, do you? Or something like that. It's 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:51.280 like I could tell you don't read. He was trying 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:54.879 to encourage me to read. But something I saw. 1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:57.599 Online about how like in my day. 1:36:57.479 --> 1:36:59.479 No one locked their doors, and it's like, yeah, that's 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:02.160 why everyone got killed in the sea of these Yeah. 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:03.240 We just kept our doors open. 1:37:03.240 --> 1:37:05.799 And it's like there were serial killers on every block 1:37:05.880 --> 1:37:07.360 back in the day, Are you kidding? 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:10.520 Yeah, people were just come on in we'll call insurance 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:11.080 for you. 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.080 You know, everyone was just letting everyone in. 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:16.479 And I don't know if these snatchings happen as often 1:37:16.520 --> 1:37:18.920 anymore either, because back even when we were I was 1:37:18.920 --> 1:37:21.559 a child like I was gone from sun up to 1:37:21.640 --> 1:37:24.679 sundown in those streets in a you know, suburb. 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:28.080 But I was just I was out all day. Roller blades, bic. 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:31.280 Roller blades, baby Lisa, just fucking taking it to the 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:33.719 streets and a pair of blades. I love the visual. 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:38.080 My Christiamagucci rollerblades. 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:39.879 Amazing. 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:42.559 They were white, they were so and like turquoise and purple. 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:43.280 I loved them. 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:45.920 No, my friends would bicycle and I would always roller 1:37:45.960 --> 1:37:48.240 blade behind. I was a I like rollerblading more. And 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:51.280 I got into a lot. I crashed my bicycle a lot. 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:55.679 I was bruised, cut up, falling in bushes, running into cars, 1:37:56.240 --> 1:37:57.200 going over. 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:01.200 Curbs. I was not good on the. 1:38:01.120 --> 1:38:04.880 Bike interesting, but on blades you were good. And in 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:05.960 soul cycle I can do. 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:08.759 Yeah, but a bike no problem. 1:38:09.520 --> 1:38:14.160 Yes, But if that's what someone if that's what's maybe 1:38:14.200 --> 1:38:18.400 stopping someone from not doing soul cycle or something. But yeah, 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:21.160 bicycle in the and then I made some money A 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:23.000 few years ago. Whatever I bought, like a four hundred 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:25.599 dollars bike. I've wrote it maybe eight times. It's still 1:38:25.600 --> 1:38:28.519 in my friend's home. She's like, so do you want 1:38:28.560 --> 1:38:31.920 to wait? Who I want to bike? If it was 1:38:31.960 --> 1:38:36.559 in Lading, was in New York? Sorry, it was in 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:38.120 New York because I moved to Crown Heights like a 1:38:38.160 --> 1:38:41.840 fucking idiot, away from every train. Everything I wanted in 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:45.960 an apartment. This apartment didn't have, and I went, not. 1:38:45.880 --> 1:38:47.200 Only will I take it, I'll pay for it a 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:47.960 year in advance. 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:52.640 Yes, it's like, is it close to the trains? Absolutely not. 1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:54.880 Is it close to a lot of fun stores and 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:55.679 coffee shops? 1:38:55.800 --> 1:38:59.479 Absolutely not? Like nothing. Is it close to shows? No? 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:01.599 Is it close to your friends? Well, i'd be safe 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:04.560 being carbon monoxide poisoned. No. 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:10.160 No, Like it was so fucking wild. I don't know 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:13.599 how we got ye o New York, my bicycle. Whatever 1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:15.880 I wrote it, Maybe I'm glad you didn't get snatched 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:16.559 off the streets. 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:20.280 I have a feeling that they can, they can spot 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:23.320 a mouthy child that you were probably gonna be more 1:39:23.320 --> 1:39:25.320 trouble than you were worth. I think that's what they say. 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:26.920 No, I love that I don't know if this was 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:28.639 a real story or not, but there was a viral 1:39:28.720 --> 1:39:31.439 story that a boy kept like singing hymns and praying 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:33.920 and so they let him go because he was so annoying. 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:38.599 They're like, we don't want this Jesus fe. 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:39.040 Oh my god. 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:41.080 That reminds me of what hot American summer where they're 1:39:41.120 --> 1:39:42.680 like driving the kids and the kids just being so 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:44.400 annoying they just roll them out of the van while 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:49.559 they're driving. All right, let's move on to our what 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:50.400 would Sister Peg do? 1:39:50.520 --> 1:39:50.880 Segment? 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:53.720 Uh. This is our weekly segment where we direct you 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:57.080 guys towards an organization, book, article, some kind of resource 1:39:57.240 --> 1:39:59.080 to give you more info on what we touched on 1:39:59.120 --> 1:40:02.960 in today's episode. And this week, Lisa and I found 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:06.080 this organization that is exactly what Lisa is talking about 1:40:06.120 --> 1:40:07.639 that she wished we could be a part of, which 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:11.600 is called the Cold Case Foundation. It's www dot Coldcasefoundation 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.879 dot org and they are a group of independent experts 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:17.960 with backgrounds and everything from forensics to active and retired 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:18.679 law enforcement. 1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:20.720 It sounds a lot like Liza pointed this out. 1:40:20.760 --> 1:40:22.639 It sounds a lot like the group that Chester Lake 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:25.120 was involved in in that one episode where he kept 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:27.360 going to Philly to like work with a cold case group. 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:31.840 And yeah, they're dedicated to solving cold cases and they 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:34.600 have easy to fill out web form where you can 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:37.759 submit information about cold cases and their services are completely 1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:40.519 free of charge. There's also ways you can sort of 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:42.759 help if you're not a person that's got law enforcement 1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:45.320 or forensic experience. So if you want to go check 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:48.599 that out, that's ww dot Coldcasefoundation dot org. 1:40:49.680 --> 1:40:50.240 Amazing. 1:40:50.360 --> 1:40:53.519 Thank you and if you're listening Cold Case Foundation, we 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:58.120 are willing, active, ready fail, we will, we are available. 1:40:58.439 --> 1:41:00.680 Thank you for I don't know, I don't have a cavagary. 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:05.760 I'm kind of careless, but I can help solve some crimes. 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:10.439 Next week we're going to a new season, current season, 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:14.080 exciting for all of us. We're doing one more Tale 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:18.760 of Two Victims, season twenty three, episode four, watch on 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:20.400 Hulu current season. 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:22.479 Yeah, if you have cable, you might be able to 1:41:22.560 --> 1:41:25.840 just watch this one on like Spectrum on demand because 1:41:25.840 --> 1:41:26.920 it's from the current season. 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:29.280 Yeah, so that's always exciting when we do it. Not 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:31.760 exciting to say the full name of the episode over 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:32.840 and over and type it out. 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:35.880 We like you, Wren I mean, though, the more we 1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:37.760 get into it, you know, I'm not into this like 1:41:37.840 --> 1:41:42.200 twenty Things. 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