WEBVTT - Creed Bratton 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.000 Now. Of course, when I was back as a kid, 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.520 I spoke like this because that was that was the 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.400 Western time until I came on the office and I 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.200 realized I better get a different kind of voice to 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.200 to relay myself to these people here like that. Yeah, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.040 so I was I was told I was a cowboy 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.200 up up to the office. Basically just dropped dropped the 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.200 twig like that. Actually, this is gonna lead me in. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.159 We're gonna play a little game later on. But it 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:28.440 relates to what he just said, which I know is well, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:37.280 it's maybe not true. It's bullshit. Hi, I'm Creed Bratton 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.360 and I played Creed Bratton on the Office. I'm also 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.200 a lot of different names to creditors, but I don't 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:53.960 want to get into that right now. Oh boy, folks, 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.840 strap on your hats. It's gonna be a Wendy one today. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.720 It's me Brian Gardner, your host, here for a spanking 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.960 new episode of Off the Beat. Today. As you just heard, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:12.360 I'm bringing back the one and only Creed Bratton, or 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.720 as you might know him, Creed Bratton from the Office, 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:21.280 or maybe you know him as Crypto Creed straight from 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.600 the Metaverse. We're going to talk about that and so 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.520 much more. I thought it was about time that we 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.080 dug a little deeper into this man, the man behind 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:35.679 the myth. I mean, who is Creed Bratton? What has 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:41.520 he done? What hasn't he done? Actually is more accurate. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.000 We're going to get to the bottom of that. Well. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.600 For the most part, Creed has lived a thousand lives, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.160 and he has lived them all. Well, let me just 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.440 say that. So we're gonna go all the way back 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:59.080 to his early days being surrounded by creativity and music 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.680 here in sunny California. But we're also going to talk 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.360 about the time when he woke up covered in well 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.600 in bird poop and being attacked by wild dogs. There 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.400 was maybe two separate events. It's very hard to keep track. Also, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.280 we're going to play a new game, my favorite new game, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.520 Creed Bratton fact or fiction. He'll let us know. I 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.040 think he'll be surprised by some of the answers here. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.640 He is a true joy, an American treasure, and a 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.520 great friend of mine. That's right, Creed Bratton. Here he 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:42.920 is for your listening to light, Bubble and Squeak. I 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:49.840 love it, Bubble and squeak, Bubble and Squeaker, cookie every 0:02:50.080 --> 0:03:03.600 month left over from the nat Pole. There he is. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:12.080 What's happening? What's up, Bra? How's it going? Good? Good? 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.040 Good to see you. Man. Now wait a second, now, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.000 wait a second, familiar, I'm at your studio. I mean 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.920 you're You're in my studio and I'm not there. This 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.680 doesn't seem right. Yeah, it's it's okay, though, it's okay. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.920 That's not it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. Yeah, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.160 what are you doing? What are you doing in my chair? 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.360 Don't adjust my chair. I'm not adjusting your chair. I 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.320 may be leaving a little little skid marks, though. You know, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.720 why are we going there immediately? Why would I go 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.360 there right off the bat? Save that for later for 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.880 the dessert dessert line. Uh, it's so good to see you, 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.280 even though to see you and I'm in your space. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.160 Get over it, just get over all right, It's all right, okay, good. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.960 I saw that you just burned yourself on the internet. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.960 Did you see that. That's pretty funny. We're gonna talk 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.280 about that. I'm very excited to talk about that and 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.160 how you felt that the dummy resembled you or not. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:14.320 I thought it was a doppelganger, actually doppelganger. Really yeah, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:20.520 it looks very similar. I thought. Did you know it 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.799 was supposed to be completely off? You know, that's the idea. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.919 That's just the hilarity of it. You know, Okay, all right, 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.520 we're gonna talk about that. But you know, we we 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.240 talked on the earlier podcast, The Office Deep Dive about 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:38.680 William Charles Schneider Sneer, Yes, Schneider, But I wanted to 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.320 go a little more in depth to start out back 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.760 to your your childhood. You were born in California, right, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.320 Los Angeles, Los Angeles. How do you think that that 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:55.120 affected your growth or development being a California boy. No, 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.200 like anything else, it's a it's a car culture. It's 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.520 show business, Ellie. But but that's that's being said. I didn't. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.920 I was two years old when I left. We went 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.080 up to course school, California below Yosemite. So I grew 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.520 up in a little town of three hundred people. I 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.800 had a horse and there's a thousand acres I rode 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.320 around on. I went fishing and had had one of 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.440 those cowboy lifes, you know. I went four and at 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.599 four hour, two hours to school, two hours back on 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.880 a bus for four years. Really get The only school 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.520 that was up there they had to get to was 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.560 run by Edison company called Sierra Joint Union High School. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.200 So we traveled two hours there and we were exhausted, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.560 and we go to school and uh then bring him home. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.440 It was always dark when I got off the bus, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.479 Come home and have dinner, go to bed, and go 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.920 back to school the next day. Wow. Now you say 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.560 the school was California Edison. Now was that because of worker? 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.480 Did they start to school because of workers that were 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.280 because exactly right, Brian, they had workers who were building 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.600 the Edison damn, the damns and stuff like that up 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.920 in that area. And so we had a lot of money. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:00.440 That school had a lot of it. We had always 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:06.039 brand new uniforms for sports of really great pools and auditoriums, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.719 all new band uniforms, brand new instruments, which it was. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.440 Everything was provided. When they'd sit there and you look 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.720 out your window, there'd be a deer or rabbit, you know, somebody. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.880 You see a fox running across the lawn right outside 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.080 the school. It was pretty pretty amazing. Yeah. Wow, And 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.400 so did you this is not a joke. Did you 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:29.240 live like a cowboy life like wilderness e or I 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.280 mean you said you rode horses and we had a 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.600 little ranch and the people up there were we had 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.920 cowboy hats. Now, of course, when I was back as 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.599 a kid, I spoke like this because that was that 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.480 was the Western time. Until I came on the office 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.520 and I realized I better get a different kind of 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.520 voice to to relay myself to these people here like that. Yeah, 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.359 so I was. I was told I was a cowboy 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.440 up to up to the office basically just dropped dropped 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.560 the twang like that. Actually this is gonna lead me in. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.480 We're gonna play a little game later on. But it 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.120 relates to what he just said, which I know is 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:10.520 well it's maybe not true. Ship now you you you 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.360 you stuttered as a child, I did, Oh, yeah, big time. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.640 I was. I was. I was traumatized as a child. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:17.840 I don't go we don't need to go in that. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.640 My therapist needs. That's her work to do. But I 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.040 stuttered so bad at one time. I can remember the moment. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.520 The answer was Kit Carson, and I looked around and 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.720 because she said, anybody the name of this name name 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.560 got it looked at nobody put the hand and went. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.360 I knew what it was, you know, being sharp. So 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.160 I went and I said, yeah, chuck. She said, Chucky, chucky, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.960 she said, And I went, and it's it's not. It's funny, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.280 but it's not. Because I was crying, was traumatized. I 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.600 couldn't talk, and I just got up and they pulled 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.200 me out of class and I was out of school. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.040 And they finally got it at somebody to come by 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.720 the school because they could afford to. And she had 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.680 me in class by just me and her, and she 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:08.440 talked and she had me attempt to stutter. She says, 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.560 try to stutter, And so I went through the mechanisms 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.240 of trying to emulate what I thought I sounded like. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.120 Within a week, I was over it. And that time 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.720 I meet people like Andy Green, the guy that who 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.440 did the one of the office books. You know, he's 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.800 a stutter, and I talked. I discussed this with him 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.720 quite a bit too. You know. Um, I think sometimes 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.760 your mind is moving too fast for you, or you 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.199 are just basically I think it was traumatized as a child, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.640 and you're you're you're afraid to to articulate because you're 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:47.360 going to get repercussions from from speaking your mind. It's yeah, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.079 that's what it is that makes it gives you funny too. Yeah, well, 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:55.880 how how old were you at this time? I was, gosh, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:03.679 probably eight nine in there in that something I get, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.640 it's all. It's hard for me remember that stuff. But yeah, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.040 and occasionally I would be on doing film or something 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.880 like that. It hasn't happened in a long time, but 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.800 once in a while I will see, I will see 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.640 coming about three lines away, possible world word that I 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.679 will stutter on, and so I will try to already 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.440 start correcting the word I was thinking about to get 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.040 to another statement, so I don't have to stutter. So 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:36.040 that that always keeps you on your toes mentally interesting. Wow, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.079 so you're what did your parents do? My mom was 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.360 a housewife. My father, who was a lieutenant colonel in 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.920 the Air Force. He died when I was two, but 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.800 my mother remarried and she married a guy who was 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.600 a grocer, ran a managed a grocery store. She ended 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.600 up working for for a post office up there, so 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.520 she worked for the post office. He ran a grocery 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:03.199 store right in. Your grandfather was was an art director. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:08.360 Is that my grandfather on my father's side was Gustaf 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.439 Adolf Schneider, And according to what I've told, I can't 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.480 seem to find the record on it, but everybody that 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.320 I've ever talked to says he was the art director 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.599 for Douglas Fairbacks Jr. I think Sinbad was one of 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.160 those who a pirate movie one of the one of 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.520 the big movies that he did, and he invented. Remember, Brian, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.840 if you've ever seen those old um silent films, we 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.040 see the background the fences go and the scenery goes 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.520 back in the background, rolling like goes it goes around 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.120 like this out of roller. That's that's with his bit. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.000 That's what the thing that he came up with, you know, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:46.120 That's what I was doing. Can't finding documentation the revolvement said, 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.120 but I've heard they told me that since of a 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.800 little kid. So I'm gonna go with that, because why 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.280 would they tell me that if they were just making 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.440 up to impress a five year old kid. I don't 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.439 know why would they do that. I'm not thinking to 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.200 be impressed with it anyway, you know, right, So you 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.240 left l A when you were to not were you 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.600 close with your with your grandfather. I mean, did you 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.640 did you feel No? No, I didn't even know him, 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.360 and I didn't in my on my mother's side, that grandfather, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.679 he was kind of a taciturn individual. So he showed 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.520 me how to play guitar. But it wasn't a lot 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.200 of there were a lot of warmth, let's say, as 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.600 a child. Yeah, so you weren't in the entertainment industry 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.839 at all. Your family had no, No, my grandparents had 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.720 a semi My grandparents, Dot and Charles had a semi 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.000 professional band called the Happy Timers in Long Beach, and 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.000 when I come down for the summer, it's been with them. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.400 I'd see them do gigs and stuff, and I watched 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.360 them rehearse and stuff. So I heard all the Hank 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.960 Williams and the you know, the Texas playboys and people 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.400 like that. And I grew up on that Western Swing. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.160 I heard a lot of Western Swing when I was 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.360 a kid, and he showed me my first chords on 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.600 a guitar. But of course I played trumpet since I 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.720 was a young young age and until up till I 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.080 went to college. But I think after my last my 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.600 senior year in high school, I stopped playing trumpet and 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.320 picked up a guitar. I've been I've been playing both 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.160 for a quarter a while. That time this was I 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.400 was eighteen, I still playing trumpet. So I started when 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.080 I was thirteen seventeen. I started working professionally up at 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.440 this place called the Falls with this group called the 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:27.240 tor Case and we would do you know, oh Donna, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:32.360 Donna and Vicky Vallens and uh Ruby and the Originals 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.680 and you know things like that. We do all the stands. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.400 See a minor F and G. That's all that. That's 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.839 basically all there was in the fifties. That's all you 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.320 had to know those four chords? What was it? What 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.720 are the four chords? C, A minor F and G. Bye, Brian, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.360 Do you get your guitar see a minor F and 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.720 G in variations that will get you through the fifties? Yeah, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.720 I'm not as I'm not as skilled as you see an, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.240 I don't know. I can't any musician out there and go, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.840 but they know what attracted you to music? Then? Was 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.240 it that experience or watching your grandparents do shows or 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.920 what what made you make the choice to get into music? 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:19.320 Uh trumpet? I just I just my mother played mandolin. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.640 She was an expert, expert mandelin player. Stepdad played drums. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.920 I heard. I knew my father had heard when I 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.839 when I became older enough to be cognizant of this fact. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.400 He was supposed to be a very very good banjo player. 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.200 And but my mother was something that she would sit 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:35.640 there and play the man like this, and she put 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.720 her head back like this and just well, I'd be 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.120 sitting there going wow, but take her away. She was euphoric. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.320 It was euphoric, and I loved hearing her play that. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.960 So they started me out on tuba. You can meade 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.520 this little guy play to play tuba. Hated it. Finch horn, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.600 the other reversed the tiny little thing. So I was 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.160 puckering on alum or something worked out and then finally 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.200 the trumpet piece, Thank you bro, you know you know. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.480 Then then the then the the mouthpiece on the trumpet 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.760 fit fit right, and I like the sound. I like 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:13.400 the brassy, brassy sound it made. But guitar, I've ordered 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.880 a silver tone guitar from Sears and Robot. It came 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.880 that it wasn't really wasn't a buckboard within horse. It 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.320 actually was a truck that drove up this dirt road 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.360 towards to the rents, and they brought it out and 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.800 I took it out and I plugged the case. Was 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.960 the case that came in had a speaker in it. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.840 So you take your cord, put in your guitar and 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.160 you plug it into you plug your guitar case had 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.440 to plug. You plug it into the wall, and then 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:44.080 you plug your guitar chord into the case. And then 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.960 I hit, I would I'd love link raise rumble, just 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:51.760 this chord, basic thing, link, raised rumble. I hit. I 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.480 turned it all the way up and hit this ecord 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:58.120 whang and it came through and just filled my visceral area, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.760 you know that with that, just bomb hard with that 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.720 and I went and that was it. I was done. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.280 That's all I wanted to do was play that guitar 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.960 and hear that and have that sound because soothed calmed me, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.880 had calmed me down. It was wonderful. How old are 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.640 you at this point, gosh, fourteen fifteen? Did you start 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.800 taking lessons or were you No? No, I learned my ear. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.520 I would listen to records and I just sit there 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.680 and listen to the records and just keep going over 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.760 and over and over with everybody because there was no Google. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.400 There's nobody up there in the mountains to teach you anything. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.840 So I just I got a chord book with chords, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.480 and I listened to the thing, and I finally figured 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.520 it out, you know, just song by song, and I 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.200 figured and I was able to play piano. My mother 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.560 had an organ in there, and I was able to 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.200 sit down and go and play the blues and I 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:43.920 started figuring. I figured out the chords. Once I got 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.120 him on the guitar, I figured about on the piano, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.360 and I could sit there and play like the basic 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.680 stuff on the piano too. But I'm not I write 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.400 on the piano, but I'm not that fast. Look I 0:15:52.400 --> 0:16:14.960 have on guitar. Listen this is You don't seem to 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.720 think that this is is strange or interesting. But in 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.480 the last five minutes you've talked in terms of your family. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.480 You've talked about mandolin, drums, You had a piano lying 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.680 around your parents, your grandparents were playing music that you 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.680 would go and listen to. And then you pick up 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.680 a guitar, and that gives you a visceral feeling. I mean, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.480 you were inundated with music from a really early age. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.240 That's that is not how I grew up. No, And 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.920 I thought when I got to school, I thought that 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.360 everybody knew how to play music. I didn't. I just 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.400 thought it was what everybody did, that you could probably 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.600 hear something and played by here by her and figure 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.280 it out. But I realized that not everyone was musical. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.920 It took me a while to get get that, you know. Yeah, 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:57.880 So I didn't think it was a big deal when 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.960 I was doing it, but later on I I accept 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.160 the fact that not everyone could do it. Yeah, right, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.280 when did you make the decision that this was something 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.720 that wasn't just a hobby, wasn't just something that gave 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.000 you a good feeling, but something that you wanted to pursue, 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:16.000 like to be a performer for a career. You know what. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.360 I have to say, It was probably my I want 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.439 year wondering what year when it's with the with the 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:28.600 Beatles on Ed Sullivan had to be. Yeah, I was 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:33.880 gonna say sixty six three something in there that I'm 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:38.159 at Sacramento State and they're on a swim scholarship, and 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.239 it was it was a drama major, That's what I was. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.280 So where I was there for and one day, I'm 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.639 walking out in the quadrant and I hear screaming and 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.080 I go up to the there's a sorority there and 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.080 there's nobody around, and I'm becoming from from the library something. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.560 And I walked in and the doors opened, and I 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.200 you know, and I just said, well, I didn't know anybody, 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.800 didn't know any girls that I kind of walked in 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.760 and I see all these girls around this TV and 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.600 the Beatles, and they're screaming and yelling. And I walk 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.439 up and I look at these girls. I look at 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:11.600 the Beatles and I go, oh, my god. That talking 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.600 about a something. You know, it's still like a gaspalt 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.280 image or a paradigm shift in your consciousness. Trust me, 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.960 my friend, that was the one. And I just went, oh, okay, 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.120 this this is power, because you know, when you when 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.320 you had girls come up to you after the after gigs, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.280 when I was like seventeen eighteen, you know, and you 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.399 had your you had all the girls from l A 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.639 coming up there to these little challenging you're playing guitar, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.680 It was okay. But this Beatle thing, that's a whole 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.280 other level. And I think you, okay, maybe a creed 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.359 needs to look into Well, I wasn't create yet. I 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.800 was still Chuck. But Chuck Chuck into I was still Chuck. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.720 Chuck needs to look into this. This this this might 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:55.080 bear appraising some some to some degree. Did you speak 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.159 to Chuck in the third person like you speak to 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.880 Creed and the person was that was like, I don't 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.840 you know how you guys have messed me up ever 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.840 since that thing? You know, it's very funny. I do. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.080 I did on I talked to talk to him about 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:12.960 when people, So I'm talking to people, I say, it's 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.280 the character or me or the actor, you know, comment 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.040 in on one of the others. It gets confusing being me, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.040 you know, it is very very confusing being you keeping 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.119 all the stories straight. So you pick up music because 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.240 of the girls in the sorority. It's always it's always 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.080 the girls, Brian and the love and by the way, 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.239 the love of the music. I love music. When I'm 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.240 playing guitar and I write a great a song that 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:42.000 I really love, I'm inspired, I'm lifted up. There's a 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.480 euphoria that occurs, you know, it's it still does. I'm 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.120 seventy nine and I just wrote a song recently, and 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.359 I got through the song and I'm just man some wonder. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.640 It's still a wonderful thing. I still don't know where 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.119 they come from, how it works. They just come and 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:01.000 you write them down. It's amazing. I've seen you have 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:06.439 that experience songs that you know you're singing that you 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.080 wrote long, long ago. But there's a euphoria that happens, 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:16.439 something almost chemical, spiritual, that happens inside you when you 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.960 get lost creating something. Well you you know it. We 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.280 all all artists know this. You know, that's that's when 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.960 you're it comes from outside. Saturday, I was at my 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.320 granddaughter Isabella's birthday and we went bowling and then they 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.400 went laser tagging. You know. So my son said, you're 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.919 going to be on this team here, you know, the 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:40.919 green team, and I'll be on the red team. And 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.119 when you and the kids and to be there and stuff. 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.000 So you know, with me, when I when when when 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.480 I when something happens, I just you know, oh yet 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.720 do the comic face with Greg Dan was always loved 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.040 you know, he loves me. So when the first time 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.320 I got shot, all the kids looked and they laft 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.480 and they laughed and left, and I talked about the 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.080 joy that gave me. Well, the red team was laughing 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.400 and the Green team laughed so much my own team 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:14.679 started shooting me just to see my my reaction. They 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.320 wouldn't even let me have the recharge, and you know 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:23.640 they kept shootings. Right, that's awesome. But you you went 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:25.960 to school for drama, so you were interested in acting 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.640 then early on, or at least, I mean I had 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:33.000 the same the same guy that taught Tom Hanks. He 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.200 went to Sacramento State and saying the same drama coach. Yeah, 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:37.879 it was a good school. It was a good school. 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.040 It wasn't a great school, but for drama, they had 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.960 a really good program there. Right when did your music 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.040 career start to take off? Oh? What it would be? 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.360 The grassroots? I had spent with their young the Torques 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:54.240 up there that I played bands, the Leanders to school 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.919 college to make money on the weekends. And then in Europe, 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.840 I was with the young Californians two years, traveling around Europe, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.639 hitching across North Africa, through the up to Romanian Bulgaria, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.320 through East Germany, all over the place too, Scandy nave 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.920 I did at all? How did you traveled in Europe before? No? 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.159 I just hitchhiked all over we hitch I hitchhike for 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.199 two years with my guitar on my back. How was that? 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:23.000 How so you haven't traveled. I've never been there before. Amazing, 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.600 but I had. I got on a Swiss freighter and 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:28.960 I arrived with twenty five dollars in my pocket, which 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.159 was gone in a short period of time. You know, 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.680 I got drunk with these locals, with my friend Mickey 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.560 Miguel was there, had me brought a guitar with me. 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.200 Some local hands me a guitar and I started singing 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.639 that bwine comes out. We're dancing around next thing I know. 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.000 And this is honest to God. This is not a criticism, 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.400