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Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: Megan Kelly head on MTG for a far ranging discussion

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Speaker 3: on Israel. MTG reiterated that she thought it was a

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Speaker 3: general side, but what I thought was the most interesting

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Speaker 3: was Megan Kelly obviously becoming very uncomfortable with the increasing

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Speaker 3: amount of reach out to her from the pro Israel

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Speaker 3: groups who are desperate to get her to the State

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Speaker 3: of Israel on one of these propaganda trips.

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Speaker 1: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group,

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Speaker 4: including Apak, So I would love to know what they

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Speaker 4: do to get the loyalty of politicians, because I will

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Speaker 4: say I have had multiple multiple reach outs to me,

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Speaker 4: both from friends and from connected people on DC, begging

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Speaker 4: me to go to Israel with them, and I have

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Speaker 4: said no every time.

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Speaker 5: I usually I'm just too busy. I have three kids,

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Speaker 5: I have a full time job.

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Speaker 4: Like sure, I'm not doing it, but lately it seems

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Speaker 4: like it's coming to be even more because I feel

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Speaker 4: like there's there's a contingent of people who are worried

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Speaker 4: that they're losing me.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 5: And I've said that you're not losing. I'm not on.

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Speaker 4: Hamasa's side now, God, no, nobody's on hamass. But it's

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Speaker 4: been a while now that this has been going on, right,

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Speaker 4: and we're getting more involved with the Iranian bombing and

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Speaker 4: so on.

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Speaker 5: Sure, and my own feelings.

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Speaker 4: There's you know, I'm looking at is Reel in a

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Speaker 4: different way right now than I was on ten eight,

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Speaker 4: that's for sure, twenty three right, And I can feel

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Speaker 4: the pressure being slightly ratcheted up, like you're not allowed

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Speaker 4: to you're not allowed to.

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Speaker 5: And I can see people like you, like Tucker who

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 4: I know Tucker, I've known him for years, and I've

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Speaker 4: seen you in the early career.

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Speaker 5: I know you have nothing against Israel. Oh gosh, no, thanks,

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Speaker 5: never mind Jews, that's all a lie.

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Speaker 4: But right, and I see the beatdowns coming. You're not allowed,

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Speaker 4: like you have to stay right on this lily pad, yes,

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Speaker 4: and you cannot jump to another neighboring lily pad because

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Speaker 4: it could take.

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Speaker 5: You all the way down the river away.

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Speaker 3: Mmmm.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I mean I think that is so.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that has happened to me, not recently,

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Speaker 3: but the in the beginning days. Remember actually when that

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Speaker 3: group invited me to go to Israel and for to

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Speaker 3: view some ten to seven propaganda.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if I've told the story in

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Speaker 2: the show, but when I first started MSNBC low and behold,

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Speaker 2: who reaches out apak you want to go to Israel?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean they, you know they Jamal Bowman talked about

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Speaker 2: how he he didn't want to meet with them because

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Speaker 2: he knew what was what. And they went through this

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Speaker 2: like respected Black Men's Organization in New York to like

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Speaker 2: And I mean that's yeah, that's what they do.

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Speaker 6: That's what they I mean, you got to respect the game.

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Speaker 2: In some ways, they are aggressive about cultivating anyone and everyone,

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Speaker 2: and that's part of why they have had such a

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Speaker 2: you know, the interesting thing to me about Megan is listen,

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Speaker 2: Megan shifts depending on the vibe. Let's be honest, when

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Speaker 3: Can I just say it was so funny during the

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Speaker 3: this stuff about Trump in twenty sixteen. I was like

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Speaker 3: the first debate man, Yeah, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, then was it about her that Trump said the

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Speaker 6: Her eyes and her everywhere?

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Speaker 3: Or the very first question of the very first debate question,

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Speaker 3: mister Trump, you've called women pigs you know from Megan,

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Speaker 2: So she was like anti Trump then and then she

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Speaker 2: got to be Trump pro Trump. Trump even like called

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Speaker 2: her out for was like.

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Speaker 1: Like she didn't like me, or yeah.

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Speaker 2: Superters careers based on pretended anyway, It's all just to

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Speaker 2: say that she's looking where the winds are blowing, and

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Speaker 2: the winds are blowing in an anti Israel direction right now,

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Speaker 2: and so you see her repositioning, and that's you know,

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Speaker 2: I found it interesting when Piers Morgan did it because

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Speaker 2: he also is another one that you know is noting.

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Speaker 6: He's look, he's a tabloid guy.

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Speaker 2: He's got his sense of like where the public is

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Speaker 2: and where they're shifting to, et cetera. I thought he

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Speaker 2: was a noteworthy one certainly. I mean the public Israel

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Speaker 2: is only supported basically by older Republicans up this point, right,

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party overall is the most pro Israel.

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Speaker 6: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: They've lost independence, they completely lost Democrats. It's basically only

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Speaker 2: support in the Republican Party. But even there, especially if

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Speaker 3: The real reason I wanted to play that clip is

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Speaker 3: because I'm going to provide people with an update on

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Speaker 3: that Israeli the case of the Israeli government official caught

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Speaker 3: up in the pedos thing. People need to know this

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Speaker 3: Conservative media has not touched it once. Not one mention

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Speaker 3: on Fox News, not one mention on the Ben Shapiro Show,

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Speaker 3: or anyone over at the Daily Wire. Not one single

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Speaker 1: Let's make clear. Yeah, a lot, look, a lot of.

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Speaker 3: My old colleagues and friends who are working in the

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Speaker 3: industrial complex have written zero stories, done zero reporting. Now look,

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Speaker 3: you know I should try to toot my own horn

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. Okay, here's the truth. I just did the

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Speaker 1: basic leg work.

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Speaker 3: It took me a long time to get on the phone,

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Speaker 3: email some people, you know whatever, and eventually convince the

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Speaker 1: With the documents. It's not that hard.

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Speaker 3: Anybody at the New York Times or the Daily Wire

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Speaker 3: or at Fox News. Fox News could have had it

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Speaker 3: way before me. You know why, they have somebody who

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Speaker 3: the donor control or the conservative meeting industrial compes. Now,

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Speaker 3: what I think Megan is because at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, Meghan is independent. She finances I believe, entirely

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Speaker 3: by herself. I mean, she's very rich obviously from her

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Speaker 3: own past career in cable news. She's probably looking at

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Speaker 3: that and also uncomfort of man, I'm getting a little

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Speaker 3: It's like, and she even said this, the more that

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Speaker 3: you tell me I can't say something, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: look into it. And that has happened more and more

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Speaker 3: and more, and increasingly you're watching like the world shrink

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Speaker 3: or the pro Israel side, where yes, they still have

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Speaker 3: social media, with YouTube, with everything else, their ability to

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Speaker 3: control that narrative is just following up. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: do think it's important for her to say what she said.

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Speaker 3: I will also say the amount of pushback unbelievable. Everyone's

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Speaker 3: already like she's going down the Tucker Carlson path she

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Speaker 3: had on plat Tucker m she yeah, Tucker qutarleson MTG,

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Speaker 3: the idiot, brain dead MTGS coming up, you know, coming

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Speaker 3: If you go on Twitter and you look at her replies,

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Speaker 3: It's a full blown panic for her just having her

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Speaker 3: So she's still on the team for now because she's

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Speaker 3: still blaming Amas first starvation, et cetera. Bot I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: The other thing is the you know, the the apac types.

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Speaker 2: that that there's there's no middle ground on this. There's

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Speaker 2: no middle ground on a genocide. There's no middle ground

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Speaker 2: favor of babies being bombed, or you're not. The MTG

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Speaker 6: And another one that allowed.

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Speaker 2: This alleged Israeli pedophile to fly home and you know,

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Speaker 2: I also think there's some of what's going on here too,

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Speaker 2: Trump era is not going to last forever, that you know,

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Speaker 2: he at some point is going to be out of

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Speaker 2: public life, departed in one way or another, and some

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Speaker 2: positioning for what that is going to look like afterwards.

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Speaker 2: I think it's part of what is going on here

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Speaker 2: as well. But you know, on the like betrayal of

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Speaker 6: This is the latest that we've got of people's.

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Speaker 2: Social media is going to be screened for anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: quote unquote anti Semitic activity. So this is you know,

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Speaker 2: the part of the crackdown is you're gonna if you

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Speaker 2: if you want to come to this country at all,

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Speaker 2: then you have to make sure that you have all

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Speaker 6: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Yep. It's very important people to see what's going on.

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Speaker 3: And I do think that her comments, though, are a

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Speaker 3: Eleven years for extradition to come back and serve I

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Speaker 6: To protect this guy.

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Speaker 2: There have been a lot of focus on this US

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Speaker 6: She's very yes, she's also very pro Israel. Wasn't she

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Speaker 3: All their facts completely incorrect because Alexandrovitch never stood before

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Speaker 2: I've been checking every day, and I think it's just

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Speaker 3: By the way, immediately after this my phone lockdown mode,

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Speaker 2: The uncovering and the reporting of this story, which initially

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Speaker 2: That would have been the end of the story. And

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Speaker 3: This is my beef, no offense Nevada local journalists, but

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Speaker 1: So for them, they report it like any of the

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Speaker 3: It's one of those where I mean, I almost don't

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Speaker 3: blame them because you know, they're not following international politics.

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Speaker 6: They're like crime beat reporters.

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Speaker 3: Mostly they work for the AIS or they work literally

445
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Speaker 3: work for the Yeah. But I mean no, but there's

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Speaker 3: a local TV guy who have been following. He's been

447
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Speaker 3: you know, reporting or whatever on the case. But it's

448
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Speaker 3: more so that I just think they're not familiar with,

449
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 3: like how much of a scandal it is nationally. But

450
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Speaker 3: this is why national media and others. They could cover

451
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Speaker 3: this story easily if they wanted to at New York

452
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Speaker 3: Times dot com, email could solve this in a day

453
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Speaker 3: because they could use their Washington Bureau, their FBI reporters

454
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Speaker 3: and get somebody on the ground in Vegas. You could

455
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Speaker 3: read a two thousand word article exposing all of this.

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Speaker 1: They won't touch it.

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Speaker 3: And I think the reason why is because it's about conspiracy, right,

458
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Speaker 3: Like it's distasteful and it would feed far right fantasies

459
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Speaker 3: and it's like, guys, we're dealing purely in the realm

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Speaker 3: of facts. Cotton A sting Back in Israel remains the

461
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Speaker 3: only one on charge higher the most powerful lawyer in

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Speaker 3: the state of Nevada.

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Speaker 1: Do I need to spell it out for you?

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Speaker 2: On the one mainstream story I saw about it was Axios,

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Speaker 2: but they wrote it up let yaga. Yeah, And it's like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, it's certainly not just mega right,

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Speaker 2: And second of all, why not just talk about the

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Speaker 2: story itself rather than doing the meta story about like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this group of people is reacting in this way. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was the only mainstream coverage that I know.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. It is absolutely crazy. So anyway, that's your update.

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Speaker 3: I will continue on it, and if you are in

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Speaker 3: Vegas and if you have something, reach out. I would

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Speaker 3: love to talk to you. All right, let's get to

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Speaker 3: property taxes. Okay, Now here's a little pet issue of mine,

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Speaker 3: which I said, I wish I had the time to

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Speaker 3: write this.

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Speaker 6: Up into a monologue, but I'm going to do my best.

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Speaker 3: So there is a growing effort on the right to

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Speaker 3: quote abolished property taxes. I want to say at the top,

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Speaker 3: I sympathize everybody hates property taxes. Here in the state

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Speaker 3: of Virginia, actually where I live, they even tax your car.

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Speaker 3: You know, every year you have to pay your annual

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Speaker 3: car tax, and it's one of the most unpopular.

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Speaker 1: Things that people ever have to deal with.

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Speaker 3: But I want to really dig into this and tell

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Speaker 3: people why it is actually a massive giveaway to the

488
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Speaker 3: old and if anything, it needs to be reversed. So

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Speaker 3: let's put this up there on the screen from Marjorie

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Speaker 3: Taylor Green. She says recently, quote, Hi, we need to

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Speaker 3: completely abolish property tax. It forces us to quote pay

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Speaker 3: rent to the government on property that we own. But

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Speaker 3: if we don't pay property tax, the property that we

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Speaker 3: own gets taken away.

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Speaker 1: That should never happen in a free country. She says.

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Speaker 3: Secondly, health insurance as a giant scam. I agree, but

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Speaker 3: let's stick with the property tax thing, because this is

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Speaker 3: actually becoming policy. Let's put the next one, please on

499
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Speaker 3: the screen. Ron DeSantis is now proposing no property taxes

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Speaker 3: in the state of Florida, and actually it's Florida, Ohio

501
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Speaker 3: and many other Republican states that want to eliminate property tax.

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Speaker 3: Vik Ramaswami has apparently said something similar. The more I

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Speaker 3: looked into this again emotionally, I actually do understand everybody

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Speaker 3: hates property tax. It's one of the most things that

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Speaker 3: included in your mortgage. Even if you finally pay off

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Speaker 3: your house, you have to continue to do it. The

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Speaker 3: more I actually started to look into it, not only

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Speaker 3: in what it funds, but the way that seniors are

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Speaker 3: the ones who are the most benefited, are the most

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Speaker 3: benefit not only of the property tax themselves, which is

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Speaker 3: paid for services, but get exemptions. I was like, wait, no,

512
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Speaker 3: this is a massive giveaway to the old and it's

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Speaker 3: an version of how policy should be so let me

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Speaker 3: put this up on the screen and then we can talk.

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Speaker 3: Is I did a lot of this research. This was

516
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Speaker 3: chat GPT, thankfully, and I was like, huh, how much

517
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Speaker 3: property tax exemption already exists for old people. So in

518
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Speaker 3: Florida you get this thing called the homestead deduction, and

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Speaker 3: that's for everybody. It's for your primary residence, which is

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Speaker 3: off of your assessed value. But seniors who are sixty

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Speaker 3: five plus and lower income, by the way, that low

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Speaker 3: income is a very different definition than what I would

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Speaker 3: think of low income, you get an additional fifty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars exemption. In Texas you get something called the regular

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Speaker 3: school tax exemption, and then for seniors you get an

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Speaker 3: extra ten thousand dollars off of school district taxes. Plus

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Speaker 3: school taxes are frozen at the age of sixty five.

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Speaker 3: The theory basically for property tax and the anti property

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Speaker 3: tax movement for a lot of old people is hey,

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Speaker 3: we're older, our kids are grown, so why should we

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Speaker 3: have to pay for schools. I think this is preposterous

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Speaker 3: because I could get I have to I'm forced to

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Speaker 3: pay Social Security and Medicare like everybody else. With FAIKA,

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Speaker 3: I could get hit by a bus on the day

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Speaker 3: I turned sixty four and three hundred and sixty four

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Speaker 3: days and get no Social Security.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Have to pay it for my entire life, right, So

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Speaker 3: their theory is that we have to pay for their retirement,

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Speaker 3: which by the way, is pegged to inflation. But they

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Speaker 3: get property tax, school tax frozen, and now they want

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Speaker 3: to eliminate it entirely. Which are city services, which again,

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Speaker 3: who's calling nine one one for an ambulance all the time?

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Speaker 3: It's old people, okay, And these people want to opt

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Speaker 3: out of that and shift the tax burden to the

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Speaker 3: consumption of sales tax, which would actually be a massive

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Speaker 3: giveaway to them. Not even worse, let me just continue

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Speaker 3: the rant is it would mean that their primary residents

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Speaker 3: they have no incentive to sell, which actually locks them

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Speaker 3: even more so into housing stock giant McMansions which for

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Speaker 3: two people, which in my opinion rightfully should go to

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Speaker 3: people with younger houses. Now I'm not saying they should

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Speaker 3: be forced to sell, but to say that, well, maybe

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 1: But it's like.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying this time, Grandma, I'm not saying that

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Speaker 3: you were to sell wink.

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Speaker 6: Wink.

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Speaker 3: But the idea that you should be that the government

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Speaker 3: should provide you massive amounts of services, free retirement, free

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Speaker 3: healthcare under Medicare, but you don't have to pay.

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Speaker 1: For my kids' school taxes.

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Speaker 3: Get out of here, and now you actually want to

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Speaker 3: shift the local burden to more so to the consumers

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Speaker 3: rather than the elderly people, who again get inflation pegged

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Speaker 3: free money from the government, and now under the big

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Speaker 3: beautiful bill, you get a tax free income for eighty percent.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's one of those where it's a

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Speaker 3: total abdication by the boomer generation. They're like, oh, we're

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Speaker 3: done with the school, so we don't have to pay

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Speaker 3: for them. Well, you know what, if I'm done with you,

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Speaker 3: why do I have to pay for your health care?

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Speaker 3: You know, one percent of all federal spending is on

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Speaker 3: boomer dialysis.

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Speaker 1: I'm not joking.

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Speaker 3: One percent of the entire federal budget is on dialysis

577
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Speaker 3: for obese boomers with kidney disease. It's one of those

578
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Speaker 3: where and listen, I'm Promedicare. If anything, you know, we

579
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Speaker 3: should go after the healthcare companies that jack up that spending.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying we should take it away from you,

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Speaker 3: but you can't abdicate your responsibility to the younger generation.

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Speaker 1: And that's what all of us is.

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Speaker 3: It's like, we literally have a socialist system right now

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Speaker 3: for boomers. The more I'm looking into this property tax thing,

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Speaker 3: I did not realize it's a massive giveaway to the

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Speaker 3: elderly and it shifts the entire tax burden on people

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Speaker 3: who are younger can't afford the homes being frozen out

588
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Speaker 3: of the housing stock, and are making it so that

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Speaker 3: they have to have sole responsibility for their lives and

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Speaker 3: for the city services of them, on top of paying

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Speaker 3: for the quasi socialist system of retirement that we have

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Speaker 3: for everybody sixty five plus.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the school thing is just like, do you

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Speaker 2: live in a society? I know you didn't be the

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Speaker 2: same thing if I was like, well, my neighborhood is safe,

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Speaker 2: so I don't want to pay for the costs exactly,

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Speaker 2: just like, Okay, we live in this we all live

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Speaker 2: here together. There are certain things that are valuable to us,

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Speaker 2: for example, the education of the children.

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Speaker 6: Right for example, like, you know, we could.

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Speaker 2: Do a lot better about everybody being able to have healthcare,

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think you have to.

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Speaker 2: Ask, Okay, there are certain set of services that people

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Speaker 2: expect and need the state to provide. So there's going

606
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Speaker 2: to have to be revenue raised somewhere. So if it's

607
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Speaker 2: not property taxes, what is it likely to be? And

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Speaker 2: that will start you which is what massively regres.

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Speaker 6: Massively regresses.

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Speaker 2: So even taking like the age part out of this,

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Speaker 2: our society increasingly the structure of our society in terms

612
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Speaker 2: of haves and have nots. And there is a deep

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Speaker 2: generational component to this. That is for sure is between

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Speaker 2: those who own their homes and those who rent. And

615
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Speaker 2: if you own a home, you're much more likely to,

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Speaker 2: you know, have a sort of stable life, You're much

617
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Speaker 2: more likely to have some sort of wealth that you've accumulated.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're building value over all these years.

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Speaker 2: You already get big tax breaks from the federal government

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Speaker 2: in terms of mortgage interested auction.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a major dividing line.

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Speaker 1: And the capital decies after you sell.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, So there you get significant breaks. They're

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Speaker 2: significant built in advantages to being a homeowner already in

625
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: our system. So what you're talking about is another tax

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Speaker 2: break for homeowners who are much more likely to be

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Speaker 2: you know, affluent than people who are renters. So you know,

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Speaker 2: if you were going to instead fund things with a

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Speaker 2: actually progressive income tax code, okay, then we could talk,

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Speaker 2: you know, then I'd be open to it. But that's

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Speaker 2: not the direction that they're pushing in. They're pushing, Okay,

632
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Speaker 2: we're going to do sales tax and sales Why is sales.

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Speaker 6: Tax deeply regressive?

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Speaker 2: It's because the poorer you are, the more of your

635
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: income you're spending on consumption because you're you know, it's

636
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: your back's against the wall, your paycheck to paychecks. So

637
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Speaker 2: basically everything that comes in is going out in expenditures.

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Speaker 2: So as a percent of your income, you're going to

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Speaker 2: be taxed much much more.

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Speaker 6: So. Yeah, it's the thing is terrible state.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, you wouldn't believe the boomer rage

642
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Speaker 3: I've gotten for talking about this. But the more I

643
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: look into it, the amount of breaks these people get

644
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: is unbelievable. I talked to a state legislator who got

645
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: mad at me. He's from New Hampshire. He's like, what

646
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Speaker 3: are you talking about, idiot? Nobody freezes property taxes for

647
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: people in New Hampshire. Took a simple Google search to

648
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Speaker 3: find out that one thirteen of the largest cities in

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Speaker 3: the state of New Hampshire two hundred and three localities

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Speaker 3: all provide something called an elderly.

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Speaker 6: Exemption for property tax.

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Speaker 3: The theory behind it is that these people are on

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Speaker 3: fixed income and that they don't use the schools, so

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Speaker 3: therefore they deserve the break. Again, that is the same

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Speaker 3: argument that the school voucher people make about their property

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Speaker 3: taxes or private schoolers who are like, oh, but I

657
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Speaker 3: send my kid to private school, why should I have

658
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Speaker 3: to pay into the system, Or oh, I don't use

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Speaker 3: that much trash?

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Speaker 1: Why should I have?

661
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Speaker 3: It's like this, you know, it's almost like a libertarian mindset,

662
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Speaker 3: but it's only libertarian, and the only opt out exists

663
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Speaker 3: is for the elder. Now, let's compare us socialism for

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Speaker 3: sixty five plus to zero to five. That's where my

665
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Speaker 3: baby is right now. What is she getting from the

666
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Speaker 3: federal government? Zero?

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Speaker 1: Nothing, I get a measly tax deduction.

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Speaker 6: What else?

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Speaker 1: Pre K when they turn like four or something like that.

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Speaker 1: In between? Good luck, Hope you make decent money.

671
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're and if you're z a run you

672
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Speaker 2: propose free childcare.

673
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Speaker 6: People are gonna say you're a gruntmenty.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, while they again get free healthcare, they get

675
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: completely free healthcare. Now, a sane society would say that

676
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: if you have to choose between them, in my opinion,

677
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Speaker 3: zero to five is way more important, especially than sixty

678
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Speaker 3: five plus in a country of people live until.

679
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Speaker 1: Eighty three years old.

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Speaker 3: So now I'm not saying throw everybody out on their street,

681
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Speaker 3: But for all of those folks, if you guys are

682
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Speaker 3: gonna get your free health care, don't be coming around

683
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Speaker 3: saying I don't have to pay any property tax because

684
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Speaker 3: I've already paid it and I don't use the schools. Again,

685
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: we all have to pay for your retirement. And if

686
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Speaker 3: you really want to get technical on an accounting basis,

687
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: the average senior who retires at age sixty five in

688
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: the year twenty twenty paid six hundred thousand into the system.

689
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Speaker 3: You get one point two million in benefits over the

690
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Speaker 3: course of your life, double literally what you ever paid.

691
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Speaker 6: Into the system.

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Speaker 3: So the idea that you know you've paid for everything

693
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Speaker 3: you get, no, it's false. Now I'm not saying we

694
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Speaker 3: should bankrupt you or take a lot of the stuff away.

695
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Speaker 3: I'm in favor of reducing the massive amount of costs

696
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Speaker 3: in the healthcare system.

697
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Speaker 1: But the current way that it's structured.

698
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Speaker 3: Is everything is about tax breaks for the people who

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Speaker 3: are already homeowners, which disproportionately are the elderly. Let's put

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Speaker 3: E four here up on the screen, because this is

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Speaker 3: very important. If you look at the current data, home

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Speaker 3: buyers over the age of seventy currently outnumber those under

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Speaker 3: thirty five, and in particular it's for.

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Speaker 1: Larger houses and or starter homes.

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Speaker 3: So the way that the tax system is now currently,

706
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Speaker 3: the way that the current tax system is is that

707
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Speaker 3: boomers are getting free Social Security, literally free. Eighty eight

708
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Speaker 3: percent of you will not pay any tax on your

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Speaker 3: Social Security because of the new standard deduction, which is

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Speaker 3: only for people who are over the age of sixty

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Speaker 3: six or whatever.

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Speaker 6: By the one big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 3: You get free money from the government, tax free money

714
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Speaker 3: basically from the government. You get free health care, capital gains,

715
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Speaker 3: no tax on your residence which massively has boomed. You

716
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Speaker 3: can roll that into a new house, and a lot

717
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Speaker 3: of them are choosing to live lives of relative luxury

718
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Speaker 3: for how they grow. Now, I don't bemoan or begrudge

719
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Speaker 3: anybody for being able to do that I do think

720
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Speaker 3: there should be a reverse of the system to incentivize

721
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Speaker 3: first time home buyers over people who are already elderly.

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Speaker 3: So if I want to see tax breaks, I want

723
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Speaker 3: to see them for the people who are under thirty,

724
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Speaker 3: not for the people who are over seventy. But then

725
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Speaker 3: you can't be buying your McMansion, which in my opinion

726
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Speaker 3: again should be probably going to somebody under the age

727
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Speaker 3: of thirty five, and then not pay any property tax

728
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Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, because that means you're never going to

729
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Speaker 3: sell it. The carrying cost is way too simple for you.

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Speaker 3: It's like the deal of the century that we're just

731
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Speaker 3: handing over to all these folks. And here's the thing

732
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Speaker 3: you and I know it's going to pass.

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Speaker 1: In Florida. It's full of old people.

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Speaker 3: Their entire state is subsidized by the federal government because

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Speaker 3: we pay for their residents' income and we pay for

736
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Speaker 3: their health care. So now you know what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 2: We pay for like their homeowners well, yeah, ensurable right,

739
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Speaker 2: and we ensure all of their property, which by rights

740
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Speaker 2: nobody should even live in because it's near the.

741
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Speaker 1: Ocean and is constantly getting destroyed.

742
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's an overlap between. So I

743
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Speaker 2: think the proper way to look at, you know, the

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Speaker 2: taxation system rather than a generational war zero sum between

745
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Speaker 2: what the elderly could get versus what young people could.

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Speaker 6: Get is I mean, the big problem.

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Speaker 2: Is that the wealthy pay very very little in taxes.

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Speaker 2: There's not a progressive income tax system in the way

749
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Speaker 2: that there should be.

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Speaker 6: And I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: Nationally right now, but certainly in states like Florida that

752
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: don't even have an income tax. And so you know,

753
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Speaker 2: what you end up with is because you had older

754
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: generations who are able to acquire wealth at a time period.

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Speaker 2: You know more during the New Deal era when housing

756
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: was much more, wildly more affordable, healthcare was wildly more affordable,

757
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Speaker 2: education was wildly more affordable.

758
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Speaker 6: College education in certain places was free at the time.

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Speaker 2: So you have a wealth disparity between generations. But you

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Speaker 2: you know, the big war is the class war versus

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Speaker 2: the generational war. There's overlap there. But you know, to me,

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Speaker 2: that's the frame to I.

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Speaker 3: Don't disagree and politically, but no politician will ever talk

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Speaker 3: the way I'm talking why because old people are the

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Speaker 3: only ones who vote. But the thing is is that

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Speaker 3: it is important still to say that the middle class

767
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: elderly is way better off than the middle class young person.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just a lot of that is homeowners and

769
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Speaker 6: it's homeownership owners.

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Speaker 3: The tax breaks are unbelievable, or like in California with

771
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Speaker 3: Prop thirteen, the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen.

772
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Speaker 3: That these people who buy a house in nineteen seventy

773
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Speaker 3: six explodes in value from one hundred thousand to two

774
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: point five million, living in Santa Monica or whatever in

775
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: Los Angeles are paying massively low property tax rate compared

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Speaker 3: to somebody who has to purchase the home. Let's say

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Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, I'm sorry, it's not right, and they're like, oh,

778
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: but it's not fair because I'm priced out because of

779
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: the property tax. You get Listen, if you were this

780
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: is where my personal responsibility spiel. If you saved your

781
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: money and you put it in the four oh one

782
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: k like you should have, then you should have no

783
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: problem being able to pay your property tax. But their

784
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: argument is that again their free inflation adjusted income should

785
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: be able to sustain a like mansion in Santa Monica. Preposterous.

786
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: The property tax should be pegged to the accurate market

787
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: value and if you have to sell, so be it.

788
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: You should have worked harder and should have saved more money.

789
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: And that's it's just like infuriating that they continue to

790
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Speaker 3: try and stop paying for school taxes, cap their own

791
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Speaker 3: property taxes, and make it so that they can live

792
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 3: in housing stock, which again, by any fair mark mart

793
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: should and fair societally should be occupied by people who

794
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Speaker 3: are younger who literally cannot get into them.

795
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Speaker 2: I mean it's basically I think people should just think

796
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: of it as a tax cut for the rich. Technically,

797
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Speaker 2: I mean that's just fortunately who's going to benefit from it.

798
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Speaker 2: And so if you know, my metric is just is

799
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: it a regressive or progressive tax? And if you are

800
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Speaker 2: getting rid of property tax and shifting that burden over

801
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Speaker 2: to an income tax, a consumption tax, I mean, not

802
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: an income tax, rather to a sales tax, a consumption tax,

803
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: you are giving a tax cut to the rich, and

804
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: you are funding it with a working class.

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Speaker 6: Yes tax, It's true, that's what you're doing.

806
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Speaker 2: And so correct look look at it through who benefits

807
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: and who's going to bear the cost. I think it

808
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: becomes pretty clear this is a bad deal for average people.

809
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: I had a senior reply and it's like, what about

810
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: death taxes? You wouldn't even know anything about that. And

811
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: it's like, bro, unless you're worth thirty four million dollars

812
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: when you die, you're not paying it a state tax.

813
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like so actually they just tell them your

814
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: filthy taxes to I mean, we barely even have a

815
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: death That's.

816
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Speaker 6: What I'm saying. With death tax, the.

817
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: Exemption is fifteen million per person, so you're worth more

818
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: than thirty million dollars.

819
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Speaker 6: It's one of them. I think you shouldn't have to

820
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Speaker 6: pay any taxes.

821
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Speaker 2: It's one of the most important reasons that we've had

822
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: increasing like a solidifying class structure and less and less

823
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: upward mobility is the lack of an estate tax.

824
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Speaker 3: Well it's not just it's actually a step up basis

825
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 3: in my opinion, that's oh yeah, that is the crime

826
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Speaker 3: of the century. All right, I'll end it there. I

827
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: know the boomers will be mad, but I'm sorry. It's

828
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: like you said, we live in a society. You have

829
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: to pay for us because we pay for you. Literally,

830
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Speaker 3: that's what the money is for from the government.

831
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Speaker 2: And like, did you go to school. Yeah, point in

832
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: your life did people pay taxes they do that you

833
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 2: could go to school.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting here paying for your dialysis. It's infuriating. I'm sorry,

835
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Speaker 3: all right, let's get to your monologue. What are you

836
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: taking a look at?

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventeen, a new Silent film was released with

838
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: an extremely unsubtle plot line. The Black Stork follows a

839
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: young couple who marry and have a baby in defying

840
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: of warnings from the film's hero, doctor Dickie that the

841
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: couple will pass on the father's quote hereditary taint. Sure enough,

842
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: when they do have a child, it is born quote

843
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: defective in the language of the film, and in need

844
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: of life saving intervention, which the doctor refuses to provide.

845
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Speaker 2: The mother, having doubts, embarks on a mental journey exploring

846
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Speaker 2: the life that her defective baby would grow up to lead,

847
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: and watches as he suffers through a miserable existence, culminating

848
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: in his choice to murder Doctor Dickie for the crime

849
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Speaker 2: of letting him live. The mother then awakens from her

850
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: reverie and agrees with the doctor that her child should

851
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: in fact be murdered.

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00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 6: The close of the film.

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Speaker 2: We watch as Jesus receives the baby's soul a difficult

854
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: but moral and righteous choice having been made to kill

855
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: the infant rather than condemn him and his offspring and

856
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: the race at large to a polluting of the bloodpool.

857
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Speaker 6: So pretty sick shit right. We'll pay attention.

858
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: Because, as with other ugly discredited ideologies which have bubbled

859
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: back to the surface in this era, eugenics is back.

860
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: The lie language, the tactics, the mechanics may be tailored

861
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: for the modern age, but make no mistake. From Silicon

862
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: Valley to DC, to social media to pop culture, a

863
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: new eugenics movement has arrived, and it is every bit

864
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Speaker 2: as morally repugnant and anti creation as the OG version.

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Speaker 2: The New York Times Rosstoutact recently hosted a high flying

866
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Speaker 2: young tech founder who has secured Peter Teel funding to

867
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Speaker 2: explain her company's offerings, called Orcin, The company and its founder,

868
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: nor Sidiki, promised parents the ability to design a healthy

869
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Speaker 2: child through sophisticated embryo testing and selection tech. These couples

870
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Speaker 2: go through a process of IVF, have each of the

871
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Speaker 2: created embryos tested, and receive a detailed breakdown of the

872
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Speaker 2: generic makeup of each one of the embryos. ORKID is

873
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Speaker 2: but one of a number of startups in the field

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Speaker 2: offering the similar embryo testing services. Another teal back startup,

875
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: Nucleus Genomics, specifically test embryos for high IQ hair color,

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Speaker 2: eye color, left handedness, likelihood for obesity, and a whole

877
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: range of potential health outcomes. As for Orchid, it is

878
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: rumored to include on its client list the richest man

879
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: on the planet, Elon Musk. It is increasingly popular in

880
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley and, according to Sidiki, has already worked with

881
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: thousands of parents. Now I would recommend listening to this

882
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: entire interview, but I was particularly struck by Sideki's explanation

883
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: of the inspiration for her work and how kind of

884
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: early echoes some of the plotline of the Black Stork.

885
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 6: So growing up, you know, my mom.

886
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 7: Got a pretty uh, you know, pretty devastating diagnosis. She

887
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 7: you know, she started by losing her night vision, then

888
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 7: she lost her peripheral vision, and then solely she started

889
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 7: losing her central vision. So she ended up getting diagnosed

890
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 7: with a condition called retinitis pigmentosa. So what that means

891
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 7: is that you sort of progressively go blind, And it

892
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 7: was a pretty long odyssey to actually get that diagnosis,

893
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: and then there was a lot of fear around Okay,

894
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 7: is that going to affect you know, her siblings, my

895
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 7: aunts and uncles. Is it going to affect us her children?

896
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 7: And you know, really kind of what I was obviously

897
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 7: very young when a lot of this was happening.

898
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 6: How old?

899
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 8: How old was she when this sort of manifested itself.

900
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 7: So I think the first symptoms that I think she

901
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 7: had admitted to at least, you know, my dad, were

902
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 7: probably in her early thirties, and then I think maybe

903
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 7: in her mid thirties is when kind of he pushed

904
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 7: her enough to be like, hey, I think this is

905
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 7: something that you know, you should you should really be

906
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 7: uh you know, looking into and I think that, uh,

907
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 7: you know, really what you know, sat with me and left,

908
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 7: And what I fell through that experience was just this

909
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 7: sort of profound unfairness, right, this idea that you know,

910
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 7: there's this genetic lottery that's unfolding and some people win

911
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 7: and some people lose, and through no fault of their own,

912
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 7: someone who I love, you know bitterly, you know, isn't

913
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 7: going to be able to enjoy the things like you know,

914
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 7: being able to you know, see her grandkids, and you know,

915
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 7: just things that I think you know you and I

916
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 7: take for granted that, hey, we're going to be able

917
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 7: to see into into old age.

918
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: So just to be really clear here, if Sidiki's grandparents

919
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: had been able to avail themselves of orchids technology, they

920
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: would have been able to select from a range of

921
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: embryos of varying characteristics and likely would have discarded the

922
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: one with the genetic markers for this adult onset blindness.

923
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: In other words, the embryo which would have grown to

924
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: be Sidiki's mom would have been destroyed after having been

925
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: labeled defective. Reminiscent of the doctor in Black Store, Sidiki

926
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: presents this as a moral choice that would have saved

927
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: her mother and their family from the pain of grappling

928
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: with her blindness and the possibility that future generations may

929
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: also inherit this condition.

930
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 8: If I took the trays of embryos that contain you

931
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 8: and your husband's embryonic children and I threw them in

932
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 8: the river, what kind of crime have I committed? Have

933
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 8: I committed a property crime?

934
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: Like?

935
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: Should I pay a fine?

936
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: Like?

937
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 8: What have I done?

938
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 7: I think that the question of okay, an embryo that

939
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 7: is going to get adult onset blindness. What do I

940
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 7: think about that embryo? My mom doesn't want to be blind,

941
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 7: She doesn't want me to be blind, don't want her

942
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 7: grandkids to be blind. So I think that it is

943
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 7: a positive moral choice. It is the responsible decision as

944
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 7: a parent to detect that risk at the earliest possible

945
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 7: stage and to transfer the embryo that has the best

946
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 7: probability of a healthy life. I don't think that there's

947
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 7: any moral question there. I think almost the opposite. I

948
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 7: think that creating stigma, or creating some sort of taboo

949
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 7: around the idea that parents would want to proactively get

950
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 7: that information is a dangerous idea to propagate.

951
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: No moral question, and a dangerous idea to propagate. Pretty interesting,

952
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: of course, selecting to guard against a medical condition, that's

953
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: one thing. Custom designing a super race is quite another.

954
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: Any guess what trait Silicon Valley types are most interested

955
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: in selecting for.

956
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 6: According to the.

957
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, tech executives are shelling out big bucks

958
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: for designer high IQ babies. Their article titled Inside Silicon

959
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: Valley's growing obsession with having smarter babies details the way

960
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: that tech executives are increasingly and tens or even hundreds

961
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars to avail themselves of orchid type

962
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: tech in an effort to guarantee high IQ offspring. Some

963
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: are also spending hundreds of thousands on high end matchmakers

964
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: who compare them with high achieving IVY League mates in

965
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: hopes of passing on these intellectual genetic blessings. A statistical

966
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: geneticist from Harvard Medical School explained to The Wall Street Journal,

967
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: this fascination with what is being styled genetic optimizations. Go

968
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: ahead and put this quote up on the screen, they say,

969
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: I think they have a perception that they are smart,

970
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: and they are accomplished, and they deserve to be where

971
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: they are because they have quote good genes. Now they

972
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: have a tool where they think that they can do

973
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: the same thing in their kids as well. Right now,

974
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: If that is not the definition of a eugenics mindset,

975
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what is. Specifically, the ideology that some

976
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: genes are good and some genes are bad. Therefore, some

977
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: people are innately superior and deserving of certain privileges visa

978
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: VII their genetically inferior brethren. This type of thinking is

979
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: currently coursing through the body politic right now in a

980
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: variety of forms. Now, the original eugenics movement combined anti

981
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: immigrant fervor over fear that other races would degrade the

982
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: white American wasp stock with a progressive era zest for

983
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: radical reform, support for eugenic policies like for sterilization. It

984
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: was actually concentrated in the well off, educated, sophisticated circles,

985
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: kind of like Silicon Valley now. The movement itself was

986
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: also fomented at a time of great change, as the

987
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution concentrated wealth and transformed the population from rural

988
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: to urban. You can see some of these same strands

989
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: coming together right now, as Elon Musk and his obsession

990
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: with birth rates and spreading his allegedly high IQ seed

991
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: finds common cause with the racial nativist obsessives people like

992
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: Stephen Miller, who I don't have to tell you has

993
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: a lot of power now. When white nationalist Stephen Miller

994
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: cautions against importing the Third World, he is asserting that

995
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: people who come from developing nations aren't poor because of

996
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: their geography or because of the poverty they were born into,

997
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: but because of their inherently immutably inferior genetics. When Trump

998
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: warns about immigrants poisoning the blood of the nation, he

999
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: is engaging in that same sort of genetic essentialism. Such

1000
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: views are given full throated endorsement among increasingly influential racist influencers,

1001
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: people like Nick fuent Tests. Here he is explaining to

1002
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Candice Owen's his view that bad black people are inherently

1003
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: genetically inferior.

1004
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 9: So I'm trying to understand if you're actually you think

1005
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 9: that it's all black people are like this, or if

1006
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 9: your world is kind of colored by this is what's

1007
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 9: going on in America.

1008
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: This has failed for a thousand reasons.

1009
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 9: Welfareism has definitely, I mean black people in nineteen forty

1010
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 9: stand up my grandfather. I talk about that denigration and

1011
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 9: the corrosion of culture that's happening white, black, whatever you

1012
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 9: want to name it. There is this intentional corrosion of culture.

1013
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 9: So do you think it's literally, well, this is just

1014
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 9: what a black person is when they come out, or

1015
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 9: do you think that post welfare LBG great society, this

1016
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 9: is what Black Americans have become. And I have a

1017
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 9: right to respond to that and say that, as a

1018
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 9: white man, I don't want to live there.

1019
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it's more nature than people

1020
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 3: would like to believe. You know, there's this classic tension

1021
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: of is it nature, is it nurture, is it is

1022
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: it cultural? Or is it intrinsic? Is it racial? And

1023
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: I've always been on the latter side of this among conservatives.

1024
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: Conservatives like to say it's it's all culture. Black America

1025
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 3: is the way it is because of hip hop music

1026
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: and the Great Society and that kind of stuff, And

1027
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: I think the uncomfortable reality is a big part of

1028
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: it is intrinsic.

1029
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 6: You know.

1030
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: One of the big arguments against the abolition of slavery

1031
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: in the eighteen sixties is that, you know, when Europeans

1032
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: colonized Africa, they hadn't discovered the wheel. There's no two

1033
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: story buildings, there's no writing, there's no written language. Missionaries

1034
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: had to go to Africa in the last century and

1035
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: invent it for the African people because there's no recorded history.

1036
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: They didn't have writing in Subseran Africa, and we didn't

1037
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: Europeans not penetrate them until late nineteenth century.

1038
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: They didn't have any of this.

1039
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: It's the extent that you have infrastructure in Africas from

1040
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: the Muslims in the Sahel, in the Maghreb, in northern

1041
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: Africa where the Arabs colonized, and then you had you know,

1042
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: Carthage in Egypt, you had ancient civilizations, but sub sore

1043
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 3: in Africa they didn't have that. You take these people

1044
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 3: out of that land and put them here, and they're

1045
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: enslaved people. You let them free in a modern liberal republic,

1046
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: They're not going to succeed. It's not going to go

1047
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: well for them. And that was one of the arguments

1048
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: against abolition. People said, if you free them without any assimilation,

1049
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: without any kind of process for them to be acclimated,

1050
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 3: they're going to die. And that's exactly what happened. Many

1051
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: of like the bottom ten percent of like the lowest

1052
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: IQ Africans just died off for generations. And it had

1053
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: a you know, pardon the expression, but it had a

1054
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: eugenic effect because over time, if the if the weakest

1055
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: are dying off. That's one argument for why blacks in

1056
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: America have of a standard deviation higher IQ than the

1057
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: blacks and subs are in Africa.

1058
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: All right, let me spend a little bit of time

1059
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: on that, because that is all utter and complete garbage.

1060
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: So the data overtime actually tells the story of black

1061
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: IQ scores consistently closing the gap with those of whites

1062
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: in America. This would not be possible if black people

1063
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: are just inherently immutably inferior, forever and always. Data also

1064
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: shows an exceptional record of achievement among black immigrants from

1065
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 2: Sub Saharan Africa and Africa in general. Specifically, Nigerian immigrants

1066
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: as a population have the highest college attainment of any

1067
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: ethnic subgroup in the entire country. Not to mention to

1068
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: flatten all of Africa or even all of Sub Saharan

1069
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Africa into a single race, is in and of itself

1070
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: complete and utter nonsense. Africa is the single most genetically

1071
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: diverse continent on the planet. Now, I'm not saying nature

1072
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: is irrelevant when it comes to characteristics like IQ, but

1073
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: Fuintez seems to dismiss nurture altogether. Maybe the clearest example

1074
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: to debunk this nonsense comes from countries like South Korea,

1075
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: which experienced rapid em development, lifting much of their population

1076
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: out of poverty. Lo and behold, average IQ in South

1077
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: Korea went from below ninety to above one oh five

1078
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: in just two generations, and impossibility if IQ was primarily

1079
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: genetically determined and immutable Asians in general. Let's keep in

1080
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: mind we're once stereotyped as inherently unintelligent. Now they're kicking

1081
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: white people's asses so hard in college admissions that we

1082
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: have to rig the selection process just to keep some

1083
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: white diversity on elite college campuses.

1084
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 6: Not to mention, I hate to break into these people,

1085
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 6: some of the.

1086
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: Most dysfunctional moruns I have ever met are high IQ.

1087
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: This somewhat bullshit indicator is famously piss poor at actually

1088
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: predicting life's success. However, as we barrel towards an AI

1089
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: future where jobs are scarce, wealth is concentrated in the

1090
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: hands of a few trillionaires, and the stakes of making

1091
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: it into the global elite may be the difference between

1092
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: unending wealth and unending misery. It's not hard to see

1093
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: where all of this could ultimately lead us. Obviously, we

1094
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: already see a crack down on immigration, which has often

1095
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: overtly sold the name of racial purity. It's the exact

1096
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: same dynamic that we saw in the run up to

1097
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: the passage of the Immigration Act of nineteen twenty four,

1098
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 2: which was explicitly crafted by eugenesis based on their junk

1099
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: science of which races were more or less inferior this

1100
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: time around. I don't think we're likely to get for

1101
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: sterilization laws, Alista, don't think so to block the quote

1102
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: unquote defective from pro creating. Instead, the modern version is

1103
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 2: going to be driven by the logic of the market

1104
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: in arms race by those with the means to secure

1105
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: their child's spot in the elite class that can pay

1106
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: to insulate themselves from the ravages of War's climate crisis,

1107
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: and whatever AI has.

1108
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 6: In store for all of us.

1109
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: If Black Stork that film I started with served as

1110
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: pro eugenics propaganda, the nineteen ninety seven film Gatica provides

1111
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: the high tech eugenics cautionary tale that rings far too

1112
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 2: true given the innovations of companies like Orchid. In Gatica,

1113
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: genetic perfectionism and discrimination leads to an impossibly rigid and

1114
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: dystopian class structure, where those children who were born via

1115
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: the genetic privilege of Orchid like tech lurd over the

1116
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: poor untouchables who were birth the old fashioned way with

1117
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: all of the genetic risk that that mode entails. Orchid's founder,

1118
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: in that interview with Ross if you watch all of it.

1119
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: She talks about freedom, she talks about choice, she talks

1120
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: about quote unquote genetic privilege. She uses the language of

1121
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: progressivism to push a vision of the world in which

1122
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: we are all flattened into good genes and bad genes,

1123
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: defective and perfected, and humans are handed one more way

1124
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: to divide each other up into worthy and unworthy. Then again,

1125
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: maybe the joke will be on all the IQ obsessed

1126
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: elite after AI takes over the intellectual jobs and all

1127
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: of us over educated smarty pants types are left wishing

1128
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: we'd learned how to be a plumber sor I'm curious

1129
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: for your thoughts on Did you you watched the whole interview?

1130
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: Right?

1131
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: H yeah?

1132
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 6: I did.

1133
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: I agree with you there, but I actually do think

1134
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 3: you kind of proved the conservative point because the Nigeria

1135
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: thing is, this is our huge debate about immigration, we

1136
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: had it yesterday. Do you know who the vast majority

1137
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: of Nigerian immigrants are. They're called Igbo Nigerian and what

1138
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: they are is one of the tribes in Nigeria that

1139
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: has long held success and prioritarized education. If all Nigerians came,

1140
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 3: it's not that they're all stupid. It's not intrinsically genetic.

1141
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: But that's the point that culture does matter part of

1142
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: the reason that I am the same.

1143
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: So you're making the Candice point, Yeah, I am culture,

1144
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: not the Fenta's point.

1145
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 6: No, no, no, they're just inherently bad.

1146
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: I'm backing you up on your Nigeria point. But I'm

1147
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 3: what I am saying though, is that is a lot

1148
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: of my immigration Like my immigration objection is that the

1149
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: vast majority of people coming here illegally and who you know,

1150
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: people like you want to legalize are low skilled people

1151
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: who barely speak English and are barely literate in their

1152
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: own language.

1153
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: But we've seen are going to have a lot of

1154
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: stress that if you look at the history of immigration

1155
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: from all sorts of countries, regardless of what skill level

1156
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: they are at when they're coming. I don't doubt that

1157
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: that's the case for Nigerian story. It's why you have

1158
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: high attainment. I mean, you also see that Indian immigrants,

1159
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: yes they're off, but you also see you know, immigrant

1160
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: populations outperforming native populations given their socioeconomic status kind of

1161
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: across the board, I mean, in terms of the level

1162
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: of entrepreneurship, in terms of things like college entertainment in

1163
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: terms of even lower crime levels, etc.

1164
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 6: I think it's I think I don't think so.

1165
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: The people that you're talking about are not included in

1166
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: those statistics. Like, for example, in the black population, the

1167
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: Haitian population of New York famously outdid many of the

1168
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: native Black populations of the United States. They have a

1169
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 3: huge cultural difference. And look, this is actually a very

1170
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: conservative Black talking point about Haitian and Caribbean immigrants are

1171
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: much more family oriented and they didn't experience the same

1172
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: level of destruction and that was a huge part of

1173
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: the Harlem Renaissance and all this stuff going back to

1174
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: the nineteen twenties. I look, I don't believe in a

1175
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: lot of this genetic determinism. I think cultural determinism is everything.

1176
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: But that's part of why I oppose low skilled immigration

1177
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: coming to the United States, because they can't succeed and

1178
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: have not been screened for the same level of success.

1179
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: True that they can't succeed, they do succeed.

1180
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 6: They can't succeed.

1181
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: They do they can over one hundred year period, and

1182
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: we'll have to pay.

1183
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 6: For period over generations.

1184
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: I mean, we already said anyway, this wasn't supposed to

1185
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: be at immigration debate. I'm curious about your view on

1186
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: the technology.

1187
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just like, oh my god, I could not

1188
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: oppose it more, especially because these are the most immoral

1189
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: transhumanist people who don't care. It's just like the boomer

1190
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: mentality I was talking about. It's literally the same where

1191
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: it's all about genetic determinism, as if that is going

1192
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 3: to prioritize who you become IQ. Famously, Ted Kosinski had

1193
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: a once didn't you have a one to sixty IQ,

1194
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: which is crazy high like top you know, he's the

1195
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: Unibomber's which proves what his own mother says that he

1196
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: was left as a little baby for eleven days and

1197
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: that he lost like any of the humanity that he

1198
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 3: ever had. Kind of proves the you know, nurture point

1199
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: interest as you backing you up. The highest IQ people

1200
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: ever met, like really really really high IQ probably like

1201
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: top point two percent, like way beyond mensa freaks, weirdos absolute.

1202
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: Like now so siug Justted. They did the IQ study.

1203
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: The Mountain Glad wealthy Yeah, remember where they followed the

1204
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: highest IQ people in the state of California. Yea, And

1205
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 3: they were like oh, these are going to be the

1206
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: most It didn't happen. Actually, most of the high IQ

1207
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: people they did, they have a lot of trouble succeeding

1208
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 3: in life.

1209
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: We talked about this some when we covered the way

1210
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: that these personal traits are changing for younger generations and

1211
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: how much conscientiousness has fallen off a cliff. That's actually

1212
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: the trait that is most likely to predict life success.

1213
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: And you know, your ability to like follow through and

1214
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: your determination if you are committed to something, and you

1215
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: know the other like IQ is kind of junk signs

1216
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: to start with, and then the idea that you can.

1217
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,479
Speaker 6: Like, I need to look into it more.

1218
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: But some of the science that I saw too is

1219
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: even the way they talk about, you know, being able

1220
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: to genetically determine in this way without having other trade offs.

1221
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.

1222
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: Also really seems like jug site. So for example, like

1223
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: you may select for high IQ that may also lead

1224
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: to higher risk of autism. You know that's and then

1225
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: you know these other traits that may be more important

1226
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: in terms of actually being able to succeed and be functional,

1227
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: et cetera, Like you're not. But even putting all of

1228
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: that aside, it's extremely dystopian, that we're pretty rapidly moving

1229
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: to a world where the wealthy are sort of like

1230
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: doing this genetic selection. And I don't think it's hard

1231
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: to imagine that there's almost like a new more rigid,

1232
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: even more rigid class structure based on you know, who

1233
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: is selected that way and who's not.

1234
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: So I don't know. I see a lot of this

1235
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 6: stuff on the.

1236
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: Table now, and the language that is used in some

1237
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: of these circles, it's not exactly the same. But if

1238
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: you go back and read about the eugenics movement and

1239
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: the way they talked about it and the way it

1240
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: did come from, you know, the educator. They thought they

1241
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: were using science to like better the human race. That's

1242
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 2: how they framed it. And you hear that very much

1243
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: echoed with Sadiki that what I will say is what

1244
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: challenge me in that is obviously I'm pro choice and

1245
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: I support IVS. And so when Ross asked this question

1246
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: about like, Okay, if you discard these embryos, what have

1247
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: you done, Like what kind of crime have you committed?

1248
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: Like if you take them and throw them in, they're uncomfortable.

1249
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: It's it is very uncomfortable. And when I think about

1250
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: that example of her own mother, who she's saying, I

1251
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: wish that we'd had the text so that my own

1252
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: mother was never born.

1253
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 6: That's oh, it's sick wild.

1254
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: Look, I reckon, I have difficult to reconciling it every day.

1255
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: I told you.

1256
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: You know, Denmark celebrates having no people with Down syndrome.

1257
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: They're like, we've succeeded. We either eliminated out.

1258
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: It's disgusting, right, Iceland's got the same thing. They have

1259
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: two to three Down syndrome birds per year. And because

1260
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: why because they openly test for it and government policy babies.

1261
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: Who's right?

1262
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sickening.

1263
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 3: And look, everybody kind of is okay with eugenics in

1264
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: a way because mass societally here in the United States. Look,

1265
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: the Down syndrome abortion rate is probably what sixty something percent,

1266
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: and if it's you know, for the those I forget

1267
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 3: exactly it's very high. I forget exactly what it is,

1268
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: but I'd have to look it up. But I'm trying

1269
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: to think, what is it spineddifida? You know, some of

1270
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: the other tests that they have on generic disorders, those

1271
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: abortion rates are like one hundred percent or near the nineties.

1272
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: Everyone in the US softly kind of supports or by

1273
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 3: choice is participating in eugenicism. And it's like, I don't know,

1274
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: I think about it all the time because it's like

1275
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: you said, now we're making much more overt cases like

1276
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: maybe the pro lifers were right. I'm not quite there,

1277
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: but that you have to say they do have a point,

1278
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: especially when it comes to it because you know what I.

1279
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: Have to say, Yeah, and embryo is not the same

1280
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: as a baby, right, And that's where they the black stork,

1281
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: you know in that film, it's an actual baby who's

1282
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: been born that the doctor's like, I'm not going to

1283
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: treat I'm going to effectively murder this baby. That is

1284
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: a different moral question than discarding an embryo, right, I

1285
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: think I think most people would say that. But that's

1286
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 2: but I also can't say that the embryo is nothing, right.

1287
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: I can't say that it's just like you know, throwing

1288
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: a piece of trash away, right. I can't say that either,

1289
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: especially when you think about you know, when you really

1290
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: think about that example of like this woman's mother, who

1291
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: she's saying, like, I wish we had had the tech

1292
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: to destroy that embryo, so we don't have to suffer.

1293
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: And it's like Jesus Christ, you know this, And that's

1294
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: the core of a eugenics mentality, is the idea that

1295
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: you know your words of society, or you don't have

1296
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: inherent humanity, inherent dignity, inherent worth, not because of your

1297
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: hair color, your eye color, or your IQ score, but

1298
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: just because you are. And I don't think you have

1299
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: to be religious to have that view. In fact, I

1300
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: have to say, you know, this is maybe a far afield,

1301
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: but in this era, when we're watching what's unfolding in

1302
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: Gaza and like the genocide that's occurring there, it really

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01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: has made me put just and as we watch what's

1304
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: happening with Ai too, just put sort of like support

1305
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: for humanity at the core of my politics and the

1306
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: core of my values. And that's what, to me is

1307
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: so disturbing about this mentality. And you really do see

1308
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: it taking hold in a way that it's like, you know,

1309
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: especially at the highest heights of society where people have

1310
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: money and power and are representative in government.

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Speaker 6: Et cetera.

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: I agree, And it's one of those things where I

1313
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 3: what I enjoy the most about having a kid was

1314
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: the randomness people are like, are you disappointed it wasn't

1315
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: a boy Like It's like, yes, if you have a choice,

1316
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: like what But for these people, they actually would have

1317
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: a choice. That's weird, right, You're losing something in that.

1318
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: There is something magical about like you don't even know.

1319
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know her. I didn't know what she was

1320
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: until the day she was born. I loved it.

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:46,479
Speaker 6: I thought it was great.

1322
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's one of those where you know you

1323
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 3: just simply are what you are.

1324
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: Also, I looked it up.

1325
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 3: The abortion rate for Down syndrum is between sixty seven

1326
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: and eighty five percent in the United States. I mean, look,

1327
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 3: we're all that's full blown eugenics already, and that's uncomfortable.

1328
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: I think we and I think.

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Speaker 3: More people should actually talk about that in the context

1330
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: of what you're saying. It's probably even much higher for

1331
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: several other genetic screening disorders. And the question has to be, like,

1332
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: what this leads to the permissibility of it IVF.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this.

1334
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Speaker 3: It is standard in IVF to screen all of the embryos,

1335
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: which is effectively eugenic. So it's not that they're selecting

1336
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: for it's that if any embryo is genetically you know,

1337
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: like I don't know, I guess genetically has issues or whatever,

1338
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 3: they won't implant them.

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's eugenics too.

1340
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's baked into the IVF system.

1341
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: And Ross is like, you know, much more kind of

1342
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: he's not anti genetic IVF, but he's much more I mean,

1343
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: you right, if I.

1344
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 3: Just explained that to people, everyone should kind of be like,

1345
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

1346
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: And his point to her is basically like, Okay, people

1347
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: are okay with it when it's you know, people are

1348
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: struggling with fertility issues and this is an intervention to

1349
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: allow them, you know, the miracle of parenting when they

1350
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 2: would not have been able to have a baby at all.

1351
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: But it is a different question when you're talking about

1352
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: this for basically all of society, where it becomes the fringe,

1353
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: weird thing to do, to do it the old fashioned way,

1354
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: and is there something about the human experience that is

1355
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,479
Speaker 2: lost if that's what we're shifting towards.

1356
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 9: I agree.

1357
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: In any case, it was a good, great monologue.

1358
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it.

1359
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Friday show for everybody tomorrow, see you guys then.

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Speaker 6: Also, this is gonna be late as hell. Sorry,