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Speaker 1: you hear the words private first class, many people think

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Speaker 1: The private first class that is missing is Vanessa Gillen,

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Speaker 1: a twenty year old beauty her Specialty ninety one S

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Speaker 1: Specialist in small arms and artillery repair. What happened Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours we learned

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Speaker 1: that a beautiful twenty year old girl is missing. We

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Speaker 1: an all Star panel. Jim Elliott, renowned attorney, joining us

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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute and crime scene expert. Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. Psychoanalyst to the Stars. Doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com joining us from

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Speaker 1: La Brandy Ke Kanine, Katy Times owner joining me out

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Speaker 1: of Katie, Texas. But right now joining me is a

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Speaker 1: very special guest. This is Vanessa's sister Myra Gillen joining

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Speaker 1: us live. Myra. Thank you for being with us. No

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Speaker 1: thank you guys, thank you a lot for having me Myra.

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Speaker 1: I know your family is totally beside themselves. Correct. When

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Speaker 1: was the last time you spoke to her? As I recall,

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Speaker 1: it was the morning she disappeared to be completely honest

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Speaker 1: with you. The last thing that we spoke was on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Tuesday after you, her boyfriend was the one to actually

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Speaker 1: speak to her. We'll hear from her last Wednesday morning

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Speaker 1: before going into work when you spoke to her or texted, exchanged,

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Speaker 1: had an exchange with her. Was everything fine? Yes, everything

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Speaker 1: was perfectly fine. She was happier than ever when we

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Speaker 1: were looking forward into actually, you know, getting her a

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Speaker 1: was completely fine. What was she currently driving as of

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Speaker 1: just graduated two years ago from Chevez High School, went

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Speaker 1: out now to Brandy Quoncini Katie Times owner Brandy, what

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Speaker 1: So she was seen in the parking lot about one

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Speaker 1: Was it outside of her barracks or was that at

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Speaker 1: her aid of her squadron? It was outside of her

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Speaker 1: it was outside of her regimental squadron. It was about

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Speaker 1: She was not wearing her army outfit. It's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: She was wearing a purple talp excuse me, a black top,

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Speaker 1: What happened when you try to text her? The messages

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Speaker 1: wouldn't deliver, would not deliver. Okay, let's go to Sheryl McCall,

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Speaker 1: a director Cold Case Research Institute. That's my timeline right there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who thinks they saw her at one

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Speaker 1: Cheryl brandy Kinsiny Katie Times when she was spotted in

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Speaker 1: haven't really said what she was doing. Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: a private first class Vanessa Gillen, just twenty years old.

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Speaker 1: She just got out of high school two years ago

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Speaker 1: your family used find my iPhone? But to be honest

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Speaker 1: my mistaken fire, forty five pm. I understood that her

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Speaker 1: So you know, this is a long process. It starts

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Speaker 1: To you, Myra Gillan, your Vanessa's sister. Was she a runner?

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Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, I'm I'm a former soldier and fort hood.

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Speaker 1: she knows them to be at work at the time

424
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: she goes missing. Right now, we have more information about

425
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: a development in the case. Take a list of our

426
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: friends at Fox forty four Adam Hooper. Search is still

427
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: underway from missing twenty year old Fort Hood soldier, and

428
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: the Army's Criminal Investigation Division is offering a reward of

429
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: up to fifteen thousand dollars leading to her whereabouts. Ford

430
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: Hood officials say twenty year old Private first Class Vanessa

431
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: Gillen is five foot two, one hundred twenty six pounds.

432
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: They say she hasn't been seen since Wednesday, when someone

433
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: spotted her in the parking lot of her barracks. Her keys,

434
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: ID and wallet were found where she'd been working earlier

435
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: that day. Officials say an extensive search is underway. Two

436
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: Vanessa's sister, Myra Gillen. Myra, did she typically work in

437
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: her army uniform? See, that's another thing that took me offhand. Apparently,

438
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: if you're wearing your black T shirt that's his army

439
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: in front, then it should be fine. So the fact

440
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: that she had on purple athletic leggings, we're told. Do

441
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: you know if they were leggings or were they some

442
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: other kind of pants? If I do recall, the de's

443
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: the only pair, so they were ye, workout leggings for sure, leggings, Okay,

444
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: light light tides, so she could wear that to her

445
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out if she changed from

446
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: her uniform into that, then I would know she was

447
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: probably working out. That's why I'm asking. I'm not conducting

448
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: a fashion review, but you're telling me as long as

449
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: she had on her Army T shirt, she could wear

450
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: that to work. According to them, Yes, that's what I

451
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: was told. What do you mean according to who? To

452
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: the army personnel? They told you that? Yes, when did

453
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: they tell you that? That was when I could see

454
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Initially when I got here, I went into the base

455
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: and I talked to her sergeant. First comment like all

456
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: these different people, that it was hard for me to

457
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: memorize all their titles and names. Apparently I was. Yeah,

458
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: they told me that it was fine if she was

459
00:29:51,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: wearing that one army shirt to work. Crime Stories with

460
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance of

461
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: a gorgeous young girl, a private first class for Specialty

462
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: ninety one specialist at small Arms Artillery Repair, goes to work,

463
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: speaks to her family that morning via texting, texting back

464
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: and forth with the boyfriend. Around twelve o'clock, those texts

465
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: stop being delivered. Now. What we are learning through her

466
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: sister joining us Myron Gillen, is that she the sister,

467
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: was told the phone was pinged on base that day

468
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: around five pm. To Brandy Kinsini joining me from the

469
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: Katie Times. What more do we know, Brandy, Well, we

470
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: don't really know a lot. Generally, when these kind of

471
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: situations happen, especially on an army base, the army is

472
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: the one that handles the investigation. So yeah, it really

473
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: what well, it just you know, the information that we

474
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: get really is dictated on what they choose to release.

475
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: To Mara Gila, this is Vanessa's sister, Mara, what more

476
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: do you recall of what they told you when you

477
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: went looking for your sister? What we've learned from you

478
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: that her phone paying at Fort Hood around five o'clock, Myra,

479
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: do you believe that after she was spotted by somebody

480
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: around one pm? But you think it was earlier in

481
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: the parking lot. Did she ever return to her office

482
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: or where she worked? She? Honestly, what I find super

483
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: disturbing is that if somebody found her stuff inside the

484
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: armory room, why didn't they just leave it there? When

485
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I went the next thing in the morning and I

486
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: told them, I want to look into her room. I

487
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: want to see where her car is, I want to

488
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: see everything where she worked, what building is next to it.

489
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: Everything I went, I looked at her stuff. Her stuff

490
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: was in her wallet. Who moved her stuff from the

491
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: armory room to her wallet? I don't know what do

492
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: you mean her stuff was moved to her wallet. Wouldn't

493
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: she have had her ID in her wallet? Apparently, from

494
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: what I know, my sister would not take her wallet

495
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: into her room. She would probably take her ID, which

496
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: she needs. She would probably take her credit debrecord, or

497
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: she worked to get hungry and step about to buy

498
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: something to eat. But her full wallet, I heart know

499
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: she couldn't have. It was a hip. It was um

500
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: it was. I forgot the exact things because the wallets.

501
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: But it's something that she would wear around her waist,

502
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: which I hardly doubt that big. Oh Okay, see this

503
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: changes things for me. So when you go back to

504
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: find what you're calling her wallet. Most people think of

505
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: a very thin container that you can slide in a pocket.

506
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: You're saying it's really big. Oh no, And she would

507
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: not have gone out with that. She would have gone

508
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: with maybe her driver's license or military ID and a

509
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: credit card and her cell phone. Would you agree with that, Myra, Yes? Okay,

510
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: that's significant. Also, you're saying that when you went back

511
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: to look at her stuff, it had been moved from

512
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: where to where? So if they did find her stuff

513
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: in the armoring room, the arms room, sorry, that's the

514
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: correct m arms room. Arms room where all the artillery,

515
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: small arms and artillery was that she physically repaired. Yes,

516
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: so she's not sitting at a desk correct, No, she's

517
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: like in a mechanics workshop. Yes, okay, all right? That

518
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: changes things. And who worked around her and didn't notice

519
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: she didn't come back to work? Apparently for the arms room,

520
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't go as far as just about two three

521
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: people and being there at a time from what I've

522
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: been learning for this past week, So technically somebody had

523
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: to be in charge of her. Whoever that person was

524
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: was either super careless doesn't know how to do their job.

525
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: Or is hiding something, because why didn't you say something

526
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: when you notice that, like, let's say, five hours have

527
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: already passed it, she hasn't the fact what time does

528
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: she get off for work each day to be on today.

529
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: That's another thing that throws me off. Due to this

530
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: whole quarantine thing. Her hours had changed, and she was

531
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: verily about to tell us, because I recall her telling me, oh,

532
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: they changed my hours for work. She didn't give me

533
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: the hours, so she just said I have to work

534
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: this morning, and she didn't tell me at what time

535
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: she would she were to equally, you know, but there's

536
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: only so much you can do because because of quarantine,

537
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: Like you're not going to have love work hours. No,

538
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: she's still going to the workshop. Was she's still going

539
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: to the workshop? Yes, so she went that morning, you

540
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: know that for a fact. Yes, she and no one

541
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: ever reported what she that morning. She had actually snapped

542
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: chatted a photo where she was working to her boyfriend

543
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: to let him know like he an't working. That's something

544
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: that I know she was there. She was working that morning.

545
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: She snapp chatted BF at from work, and no one

546
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: ever reported that she didn't come back to work. Nobody

547
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: seemed to notice. Myra. No, I waited. I was being patient.

548
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, there's no signal in

549
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: the room. As soon as she's out, she's going to

550
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: reach back. Everything's okay. But when I saw that clock

551
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: strike nine and I had no answer from her, That's

552
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: when I started getting worried. Myra, Jackie's waving a sign

553
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: at me. Are you telling me she would not have

554
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: taken her wallet out of her home. No, she used

555
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: that wallet for the sole purpose of whenever we would

556
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: head out. It was more like an X story for

557
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: her to use. I understand, okay, when you spoke with

558
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: authorities or who are her superiors? Are people there at Forthood?

559
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: What did they tell you? To be completely honest with you,

560
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: they kept me in the shadows. They apparently had meetings,

561
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: but I was kept out of them. Obviously, I'm not

562
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna go in their demanding to a military person because

563
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: according to them, Well, I understand all that, But what

564
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: did they say? What information do you have? They could

565
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: hardly tell me anything. They were just apologizing, I'm sorry

566
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: this is happening. We're gonna help you find her, But

567
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: no concrete information as to who saw her last. Stuff

568
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: like that. They didn't tell me, but they did tell

569
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: you that her phone paged on base around five or

570
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: five forty five, around five five forty five that day.

571
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: Her phone is still on base. Then they couldn't find

572
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: her phone. Did they go to the location of the pig?

573
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Like um somebody had previously said, they only released up

574
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: to so much information. They didn't tell me exactly where.

575
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: They just told me Forthhood and the time. That's it.

576
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea who saw her out in

577
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: that parking lot? I have no idea, Like there's still

578
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: have any idea where she was going? No, had she

579
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: mentioned to you any friend that she hung out with

580
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: there at Forthood? A coworker apparently the three co workers

581
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: that she did have in the base, of course males.

582
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: They pretty much stated that they loved Vanessa like a sister.

583
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: Was that who she wouldn't really hang out with? Yes?

584
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Did she have a friend girl that she hung out with?

585
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: She had a previous roommate, so was pregnant, they got along.

586
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: She got moved out, of course because of the baby.

587
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: So she recently just had a new roommate that she

588
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: told me she didn't really talk to, so a female.

589
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't believe so right now? A female correct, a

590
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: female roommate? Yes, okay, you know, Joe Scott, what is

591
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: going on? You're in the military, have been in the military,

592
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: don't they ask? Surveillance at the security guard where you

593
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: have to go in and out? That's another thing. They

594
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: faced it to me that there's no cameras there. Well,

595
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: I got the answer to that. Is there anything else

596
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: you can remember Myra that they may have said to you?

597
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: The last update that I got was on Sunday. That's

598
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: the words in the search right there in the base

599
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: with search dogs and whatnot. After that, I haven't heard

600
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: what the hour as in this past Sunday. Okay, so

601
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: that was this past Sunday. Have you asked what happened? No?

602
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: The last time I went into that base, it was

603
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: once again too good questions, more questions and more questions. Well,

604
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: she answered the question, do you, Joe Scott Morgan, there's

605
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: not surveillance at the security guard post going in and out.

606
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: I find that very, very difficult to believe, but that's

607
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: what they told us. Sister. The tip line two five

608
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Speaker 1: four four nine five seven seven six seven repeat two

609
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: five four four nine, five seven seven six seven. We

610
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing off

611
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,