WEBVTT - Subterrenes: Like Submarines but Underground

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<v Speaker 1>I recall, as it were, but yesterday, the night of

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<v Speaker 1>that momentous occasion upon which we were to test the

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<v Speaker 1>practicality of that wondrous invention. It was near midnight when

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<v Speaker 1>we repaired to the lofty tower in which Perry had

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<v Speaker 1>constructed his iron mole, as he was wont to call

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, the great nose rested upon the bare earth

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<v Speaker 1>of the floor. We passed through the doors into the

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<v Speaker 1>outer jacket, secured them, and then passing on into the cabin,

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<v Speaker 1>which contained the controlling mechanism within the inner tube, switched

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<v Speaker 1>on the electric lights. Perry looked to his generator, to

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<v Speaker 1>the great tanks that held the life giving chemicals with

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<v Speaker 1>which he was to manufacture fresh air to replace that

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<v Speaker 1>which we consumed in breathing, to his instruments for recording temperature, speed, distance,

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<v Speaker 1>and for examining the materials through which we were to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>He tested his steering device and overlooked the mighty cogs

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<v Speaker 1>which transmitted its marvelous velocity to the giant drill at

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<v Speaker 1>the nose of his strange craft. Our seats into which

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<v Speaker 1>we strapped ourselves were so arranged upon transverse bars that

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<v Speaker 1>we would be upright whether the craft were plowing her

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<v Speaker 1>way downward into the bowels of the earth, or running

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<v Speaker 1>horizontally along some great seam of coal, or rising vertically

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<v Speaker 1>towards the surface again at length, all was ready. Perry

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<v Speaker 1>bowed his head in prayer. For a moment we were silent,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the old man's hand grasped the starting lever.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a frightful roaring beneath us. The giant frame

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<v Speaker 1>trembled and vibrated. There was a rush of sound as

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<v Speaker 1>the loose earth passed up through the hollow space between

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<v Speaker 1>the inner and outer jackets to be deposited in our wake,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were off. Welcome to stuff to blow your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>the production of My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick. And that was that little coal

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<v Speaker 1>reading there was from at the Earth's Core by Edgar

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<v Speaker 1>Rice Burrows, published in nineteen fourteen. Is that the one

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<v Speaker 1>where Tarzan goes to the center of the Earth. No,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you're joking, but Tarzan does go to

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the Earth in a follow up novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this particular novel, because this was this this kick

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<v Speaker 1>started a series that dealt with essentially like an inner world,

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<v Speaker 1>a hollow earth environment. This was the the Pellucidar series.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, so Tarzan I think goes to Pellucidar and

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<v Speaker 1>a follow up and we'll we'll talk more about Pellucidar

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<v Speaker 1>here in a in a few minutes. But the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that we're were we kicked off with this reading is

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<v Speaker 1>that this is this is pivotal, This is uh this

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<v Speaker 1>what is being described here. The iron mole is a subterine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that was not a mistake. You weren't trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say submarine that is a subterrean as in beneath the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>as in the same way that a submarine is beneath

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. So what we're talking about today is a

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<v Speaker 1>submarine for the ground. Yes, like submarines, but underground. Some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of vehicle uh that has some sort of drilling

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<v Speaker 1>or melting apparatus um on its front end or perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>on the rear end as well, then enables it to

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<v Speaker 1>travel through the earth to so to burrow through even

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<v Speaker 1>solid rock, as if it were some sort of giant

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<v Speaker 1>worm making its way through the ground. Now, you might

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<v Speaker 1>not have heard of a subdarine before but I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you have seen one in science fiction. Uh So, before

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<v Speaker 1>we dive into the science and the actual and in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases alleged technological history of the submarine, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we might run through some fun examples from film and TV,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll also come back around to Edgar Rice

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<v Speaker 1>Burrows again before we venture into the real world. Now, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>right when I jumped in the video chat today, you

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<v Speaker 1>and Seth were tall king about the like seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animated TV series,

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<v Speaker 1>and immediately it came to mind, like, oh, yes, didn't Shredder?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Shredder or was it Krang One of the

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<v Speaker 1>villains rides around in a giant underground drill in that show? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was chatting with Seth about this because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it was the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a sci fi vision of a subterarine, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have a very clear memory of those um but believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was the especially the arcade Beat Him Up teena

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<v Speaker 1>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>good week Konami, right, Maybe it was Konami. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the arcade version was a lot better than the

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<v Speaker 1>port to the nes Oh yeah, yeah, the arcade version

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<v Speaker 1>was really kind of beautiful, and I've seen some more

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<v Speaker 1>recent ports of it, uh that that you know, really

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<v Speaker 1>really felt all right, you know. I mean it was

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<v Speaker 1>a total quarter guzzler. It was just how many how

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<v Speaker 1>many quarters can you put into this machine at your

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<v Speaker 1>local pizza hut in order to beat it? But it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was so much fun. And and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things was that frequently the boss at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the level would arrive via a transport module this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that looked like a rocket, except the cone of

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<v Speaker 1>the rocket is a big drill and it comes burrowing

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<v Speaker 1>up through the earth and then it opens up and

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<v Speaker 1>here's the bad guy for your fight. Here's Bebop the

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<v Speaker 1>punk bore yeah or yeah, or it's Shredder, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>Crane himself, and they're coming up. The idea is that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Krane's layer is the subterranean techno dome, this

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<v Speaker 1>big uh you know, domed vehicle base that is often

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<v Speaker 1>like in the molten core of the Earth, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to send up their their myrmidons, their their foot

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers up to the surface in these specialized subterranes and

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<v Speaker 1>the techno dome or the techno drome. I always thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the like video drome. Oh, we have

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<v Speaker 1>just received an update from Seth. It is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>techno drome um, which can be a little confused. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I trans figured it into my head because it

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<v Speaker 1>is a a like a spherical looking structure it had.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks kind of like a dome. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>technodrome whatever that is actually supposed to be. You would

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that the interior has a domed ceiling, perhaps painted

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<v Speaker 1>by michel Angelo or something. Is yes, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of of crying and shredder about to have this

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<v Speaker 1>divine type yeah, crying reaching out. Yeah. So there's the series,

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<v Speaker 1>which which certainly Seth can attest to and I have

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<v Speaker 1>memories of. It was a lot of fun and had

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<v Speaker 1>these vehicles in there as well. There was even a

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<v Speaker 1>toy version of it. I included a picture of this

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Joe. I don't know if you remember this

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<v Speaker 1>or not from your the toys of your childhood, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is a more ornate version of the subcarine from

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<v Speaker 1>the cartoon. I remember it, but I didn't have it

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<v Speaker 1>that this was an object of coveting for me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I remember for me personally teenage Mutan, Ninja, Turtles,

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<v Speaker 1>the cartoon, and just the overall like sensation of the

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<v Speaker 1>toys and all. It came around this weird time where

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<v Speaker 1>I still very much I certainly watched all these shows

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to have the figures. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>have these action figures, especially Shredder and Crane. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was this kind of feeling at that point that you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't supposed to have toys anymore, Like you weren't supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy this stuff, which is total b s. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thankfully snapped out of that and have spent the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of my you know, adult life, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>realizing that action figures are awesome and and I should

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<v Speaker 1>buy them for myself or my child. Uh. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>that horrible middle period. I mean, it's just like with

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<v Speaker 1>movies too. It's like how Roger Ebert talks about how

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you're a little kid, GAMMERA is great

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a rocket powered turtle. And then you get

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<v Speaker 1>older and more mature, and you think this is stupid

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not realistic. And then you get even more

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<v Speaker 1>mature than that, and then you realize Gamera is great again. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gamera is great. Um and and and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that you look back at Teenage Ninas,

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<v Speaker 1>I had so many crazy just on zo elements in it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fabulous. I mean you had this armored Ninja

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<v Speaker 1>and he's with there with an alien brain that's in

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<v Speaker 1>this giant android body, and they're sending Ninja's up to

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<v Speaker 1>the surface in these crazy drill submarines to fight. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, obviously teenage Mutant Ninja turtles, which is in

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<v Speaker 1>itself such a strange concept. So that was one subterarine

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<v Speaker 1>that I think a lot of people probably remember. Older

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<v Speaker 1>viewers or certainly viewers who caught this show like on

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<v Speaker 1>Sci Fi Channel in reruns, might remember the Thunderbirds, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Thunderbirds or go well the this was the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixties puppet show with these very signature looking characters. Um

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<v Speaker 1>that I understand. I was reading that they were partially

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration for the animation style on the long running Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars clone World War series that I'm watching now with

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<v Speaker 1>my son, Um. But in this show, the characters had

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<v Speaker 1>these crazy vehicles and one of them was the Thunderbird too,

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<v Speaker 1>and it featured all these different pods, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them was called the Mole, and it was a drill

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<v Speaker 1>headed vehicle then enabled the team to venture into the Earth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this establishes a theme that's going to continue throughout the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that there is a lack of imagination among

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<v Speaker 1>the people who create under underground drilling machines for science

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<v Speaker 1>fiction because it's always a mole. It's always a darn mole. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't you think of some kind of other burrowing creature.

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't it a sicilian or or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, come on, how many moles can

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<v Speaker 1>there be? Or even a naked mole rat that's close enough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's so many other ways to go, but everyone

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<v Speaker 1>comes back to the mole. And and that also includes

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<v Speaker 1>Pixar because I know a number of Certainly, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're too young to remember a teenage Mutiny Turtles or

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<v Speaker 1>certainly Thunderbirds, then perhaps you remember the Incredibles. At the

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<v Speaker 1>very end of this film, we're introduced to a new

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<v Speaker 1>supervillain called the Underminer, who arrives in an epic uh

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<v Speaker 1>and an epic subterine with a drill, this time on

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<v Speaker 1>either end. Uh. It's a a fun scene, just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a way to close out the film. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger character in the sequel. Have I have seen

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<v Speaker 1>the sequel? Uh, Yeah, he plays a larger role in that.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's also mole themed. Clearly, Yes, yes, clearly mole themed. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. Oh and and this is so weird. We

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<v Speaker 1>were we kind of decided to do this episode and

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<v Speaker 1>I had it in my mind, and then I happened

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<v Speaker 1>to check out. Uh, this new series on Hulu titled

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<v Speaker 1>Solar Opposites. It's a it's a new show from Rick

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<v Speaker 1>and Morty co creator Justin Royland along with Mike McMahon,

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<v Speaker 1>who also worked on that show. Uh. They dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>entire first season on Hulu, and it's it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun. It's it's definitely for grown ups. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's the you know, a similar vibe to Rick and Morty,

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<v Speaker 1>but perhaps a little less meta and um, with characters

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<v Speaker 1>that are a little more likable. Um. But I've started

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<v Speaker 1>watching it in BAM. Right there in the opening of

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<v Speaker 1>the first episode, there's this vehicle called the Earth Drill

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<v Speaker 1>that's used by the character Corvo to obtain nickel alloy

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<v Speaker 1>from the Earth's core in order to try and fix

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<v Speaker 1>his spaceship. And there's this great sequence where core of

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, fires it up and starts drilling into

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<v Speaker 1>the earth to go get the nickel, and it started

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<v Speaker 1>immediately causes earthquakes in like China and London, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a big tidal wave somewhere else in the world due

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<v Speaker 1>to the seismic disruption of the thing. I like that

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<v Speaker 1>the design is a little bit trown shaped, is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit light cycle kind of in profile at least. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a really cool design like that. They didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, slap together something that looked like the like

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<v Speaker 1>the the transport module all over again. It has has

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<v Speaker 1>some really cool wheels. But anyway, these are just a

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<v Speaker 1>few examples. You'll find submarines all over the place in

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction if you really start looking for them, like

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<v Speaker 1>it'll just turn up eventually, I think, in any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of science fiction scenario. For instance, there's one in Fallout

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, the current Fallout game. I looked around, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, there's gotta be one in Star Wars somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like there is a combat drill in

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<v Speaker 1>the Darth Vader comic books, like Darth Vader rides one

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<v Speaker 1>into battle at some point, like an a T dril ty. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a T drilt. I like that, Um yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I figured Star Wars University's room for there's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>room for a subdarane. There's some rocky planet somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>there's a battle between uh, you know, the the Empire

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, some hapless species of subterranean creature.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like we got to bring it back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Edgar Ice Burrows because I will admit so

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<v Speaker 1>I have never read this book. At Earth's Core his

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<v Speaker 1>novel about the drill that goes down, and uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, actually, I guess timing wise, this would be

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<v Speaker 1>coming after Jules Verne's journey to the Center of the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how derivative of it it is. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did manage to watch about the first twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of the nineteen seventy six film adaptation of this

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<v Speaker 1>book Last Night, starring our old friend Doug McClure. You

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<v Speaker 1>know the man. Hi, I'm Doug McClure. You might remember

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<v Speaker 1>me from such films as that one with the Fish People,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also had Peter Cushing in probably definitely, not

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<v Speaker 1>even no doubt at all, the goober reest role I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen Peter Cushing in, where he is just like

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<v Speaker 1>a bumbling doo fast with a high pitched, uh cartoon

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<v Speaker 1>professor voice. Yeah, this was This was the ninety six adaptation,

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<v Speaker 1>directed by Kevin Conner, and um, yeah, you might expect,

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<v Speaker 1>like Doug, with Doug McClure and Peter Cushing, you might think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Doug's gonna play kind of the meaty doofist, which he

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<v Speaker 1>did so wellbe Doug McClure is awesome. He's a he's

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<v Speaker 1>a treat. When you see his name pop up in

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<v Speaker 1>one of these older films, you know you're you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a nice film ahead of you. But Peter Cushing, you

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<v Speaker 1>think especially all right, we're thinking seventy six, we're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars is just after this practically, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you think the dignified, stoic Peter Cushing, He's gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>this dignified scientist who invince this thing. But no, he

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<v Speaker 1>plays this goofy doofist character as well. Uh, and it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Cushing is is wonderful. He has he has ranged,

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess in a way, it's nice to see

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<v Speaker 1>him flexes his acting muscles in another direction. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's an unfamiliar setup. Normally, I think you'd have more like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Dufus in The straight Man, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a dual Dufus lead. Yeah. Yeah. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>have Carolyn Monroe in there as well, a screen legend

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<v Speaker 1>in her own ride. Yeah. She played still a star

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<v Speaker 1>in Star Crash. Yeah, she was in I think she

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<v Speaker 1>was in a James Bond film yeah yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>and numerous so she was very much an icon of

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. Hi, I'm Doug McClure. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a haircut before filming this. Oh yeah, he's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>shaggy in this. Yeah. It looks and it doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>look like it's intentional. It looks like he just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was meaning to get it trimmed and he didn't. Yeah. Uh. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people where I think we're reintroduced to

0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the summer, introduced to it to the for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>The most recent season of Mystery Science Theater three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>that aired on Netflix, because this is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>films that they riff and it's I remembered as being

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best episode odes of the the MST

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<v Speaker 1>three K Revival. But the film in and of itself,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just is tons of fun. It's colorful, It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>weird and wacky, you know, it's it's I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I haven't read this particular Edgar Rice Burrows novel,

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<v Speaker 1>it does feel true to the spirit of them because

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're There are a number of cool things going

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<v Speaker 1>on in this. First of all, we do have the

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<v Speaker 1>Iron Mole. We have a drill headed subterine vehicle that

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<v Speaker 1>takes our characters deep into the earth and it takes

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<v Speaker 1>us to this hollow earth realm called Pellucidar and Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and here we have a number of crazy elements taking

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<v Speaker 1>place as well, because we have a species of telepathic

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<v Speaker 1>terra saurs called the Mahars that rule over stone age

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<v Speaker 1>humans that are also there. There's also like a giant

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<v Speaker 1>bipedal bird Tyrannosaurus rex thing. It's kind of like Sam

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<v Speaker 1>the Eagle and it runs around chasing Doug and Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Cushing in this giant underground corn field. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's in the book. Yeah, I don't know. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear from someone who who's who's red this one,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've read a couple of Burrows books um back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, and I remember them as being pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He gets into a little bit of scientific

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<v Speaker 1>speculation while also getting into lots of you know, swashbuckling

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<v Speaker 1>style action, but then occasionally like some really atmospheric you

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<v Speaker 1>almost kind of like pulp horror moments as well. Uh So, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course he wrote a ton of books. This

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<v Speaker 1>was this one just kicked off a mini series that

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<v Speaker 1>he did dealing with this inner world he created. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and he was he was a highly influential fiction

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<v Speaker 1>writer at the time. So it seems to me it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible that he might be the originator of our like

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<v Speaker 1>popular culture and to a certain extent, scientific obsession with

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<v Speaker 1>subterranes in especially in the twentieth century. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking around to see if there were any hard bio

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<v Speaker 1>biographical details on where Burrows got the idea for the

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<v Speaker 1>iron mole um, because it seems like he might have

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<v Speaker 1>been the first I don't know for sure. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very possible that there's some other short stories from

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<v Speaker 1>the time period, or some book I'm missing in which

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<v Speaker 1>a character introduces the idea of a of the subterine,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't able to come across it myself. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me know if you if you have an answer to

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<v Speaker 1>that now. Certainly, Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth came out earlier in eighteen sixty four, but

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<v Speaker 1>this book does not feature a fantastic drilling vehicle. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they just they just find a hole in the earth

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<v Speaker 1>and just kind of walk all the way down. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a spelunking adventure. They traveled down via lava tubes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So I ended up consulting I think three

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<v Speaker 1>different Burrows biographies in search of any answers on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where he got his ideas. I'm just a little nugget

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<v Speaker 1>of like, hey, he was reading in Popular Mechanics or something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but nothing turned up. So it seems entirely

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<v Speaker 1>possible that Burrows might have invented the sci fi subterine

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<v Speaker 1>as we know it, and in doing so, as is

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<v Speaker 1>often the nature with sci fi influenced scientific minds all

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<v Speaker 1>of that century to investigate the idea further. Um. However,

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<v Speaker 1>even if he invented the sci Fi subterine in his

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<v Speaker 1>own right, he was definitely inspired by technological achievements in

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<v Speaker 1>tunneling and burrowing that had taken they were taking place

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and had taken place towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the previous century. Well, maybe we should take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and then when we come back we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some of the real science and technology of

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<v Speaker 1>burrowing vehicles. Thank alright, we're back. So like I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying here earlier, burrows I think would have

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<v Speaker 1>definitely been inspired by the real life advances and tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>boring machines during the nineteenth century. UH tunneling shield technology

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<v Speaker 1>came first successfully used for the first time to excavate

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<v Speaker 1>UH the Thim's tunnel beginning in eight But this is

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<v Speaker 1>just as the name implies a protective structure that allows

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<v Speaker 1>human excavators to work underground. It's not even a machine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So describe briefly the the tunneling shield. This is basically

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a movable roof shield that you can

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<v Speaker 1>take with you as you continually remove new material from

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<v Speaker 1>as the tunnel is made. Yeah, I would say combine

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<v Speaker 1>that with the concept of say a drilling template, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much what you have. But then this leads

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<v Speaker 1>into some of the first tunnel boring machines UH. And

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<v Speaker 1>what is often brought up as the first tunnel boring machine,

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<v Speaker 1>though it's a real stretch to call it a vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>came in eighteen forty five with the Mountain Slicer. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that really what it was called. Yeah, it was called

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain slicer. It was not named it wasn't called

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<v Speaker 1>a mole at all. Again again, it wasn't a vehicle really.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was commissioned by the King of Sardinia in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty five to dig the French rail tunnel between

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<v Speaker 1>France and Italy through the Alps. And it was the

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<v Speaker 1>work of Belgian engineer Henry Joseph Mouse And this was

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<v Speaker 1>the first UH. This is often considered the first tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>boring machine or TBM. It consisted of more than one

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<v Speaker 1>d percussion drills mounted at the runt of a locomotive

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<v Speaker 1>sized machine which was mechanically power driven at the entrance

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<v Speaker 1>to the tunnel. So think about what kind of of

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<v Speaker 1>an engineering project it is to do something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>especially to have a single machine, because tunneling is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just like moving through water, which kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like is is easily displaced around you as you dive

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<v Speaker 1>through it. Of course, when you're tunneling through hard material,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big problems you're gonna have is continually

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<v Speaker 1>removing everything that you're drilling out of place in front

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<v Speaker 1>of you as you go. Right. And then if we're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of saying, we keep talking about the mole as

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<v Speaker 1>the bio biological uh analog for all of this. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about the ocean, right, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>ships and submarines basically doing the things that other organisms,

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<v Speaker 1>even large organisms, are capable of doing. But when you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you know, you're not just talking about burrowing

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<v Speaker 1>through loose soil here, we're talking about burrowing through solid rock,

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<v Speaker 1>which is is not something that is general they considered

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<v Speaker 1>within the realm of certainly you know, a vertebrates capabilities

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<v Speaker 1>or or even or any kind of you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>organisms capabilities. This is this is something new well certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not at any speed that would be useful from like

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<v Speaker 1>a civil engineering point of view. Right, um, so uh

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk just a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the tunnel boring machine or t b M.

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<v Speaker 1>There there's tons of information out there written about t

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<v Speaker 1>pms because this is a this is a huge area

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<v Speaker 1>of engineering, right figuring out how to improve these machines

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<v Speaker 1>for the production of tunnels. UH. One particular definition I

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<v Speaker 1>came across in laboratory testing of materials for tunnel boring

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<v Speaker 1>machine drag bits by Catuition at All UH defines a

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<v Speaker 1>t b M as a quote machine used to excavate

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<v Speaker 1>tunnels with a circular cross section through a variety of

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<v Speaker 1>soil and rock strata. So that's something to keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind too, is when you're dealing with tunnels, you're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with boring through not just one type of rock or soil,

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<v Speaker 1>but multiple. Yeah, and I think it's important that it

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<v Speaker 1>mentions the circularity of the tunnel because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>feature that This will actually come up again later in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode when we talk about different methods for producing

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<v Speaker 1>a whole tunnels in rock. The drill based method, which

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<v Speaker 1>is based on grinding and removing material, tends to be

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<v Speaker 1>by nature circular, right, just because of the limitations of

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of machine you have to use to drill

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<v Speaker 1>and bore out. Yeah. Absolutely. Um another source on the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain slicer I was looking at in hard Rock Tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>Boring Machines by um Metal, Schmidt and Rits. The authors

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<v Speaker 1>described the mountain slicer as having quote worked with hammer drills,

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<v Speaker 1>chiseling deep annular grooves in the stone, dividing the face

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<v Speaker 1>into four two by point five meter high stone blocks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the interesting thing here is that supposedly the mountain slicer

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<v Speaker 1>successfully demonstrated it was you know, there was a successful

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<v Speaker 1>demonstration of this technology in a test tunnel for something

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<v Speaker 1>like two years EARS, but it was ultimately not used

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<v Speaker 1>for the Alpine project in question due to doubts about

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the drive equipment and its power requirements and its ability

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to sustain the wear of its usage. So they ended

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 1>up just using traditional tunneling tunnel boring techniques instead. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think this this drives home like just the real

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<v Speaker 1>the true engineering challenge here. You know, it's quite a

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<v Speaker 1>feat to even create a what seems to be you know,

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 1>working prototype like the mountain slicer, but then it's quite

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<v Speaker 1>another to actually use it and use it and use

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<v Speaker 1>it for the extended period of time required to actually

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<v Speaker 1>complete the project. Yeah, exactly. And we should emphasize again

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<v Speaker 1>that when we're talking about these types of boring machines

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<v Speaker 1>like the Mountain Slicer, this would again not be a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle designed to just like autonomously run around under the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be a stationary like institute machine that's for

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<v Speaker 1>a particular project, right, Yeah, and and certainly is not

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<v Speaker 1>working in isolation. Um. So this is all, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you could you could see the mountain Slicer as a

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<v Speaker 1>potential first for TBMs. But a lot of people give

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<v Speaker 1>credit to American designer Charles Wilson, who designed a t

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<v Speaker 1>b M in eighteen fifty one, patented in eighteen fifty six.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called Wilson's patented stone cutting Machine, which doesn't

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it doesn't have as much it It

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound as a uh you know, is wagnery as

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>that to previous one. I should have called it, what, uh,

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Wilson's rock stapper. Yeah. So anyway, Wilson's patented stone cutting machine,

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and and it was successful. They used it to bore

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the Hoosic Tunnel in northwest Massachusetts, and it had rotate

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>a rotating mount for the disc cutters at the front

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of it. Now, there's obviously a lot more to the

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>science and subsequent development of tb ms, but I thought

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>we might cut to the chase here. I think we

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>can already see how Yeah, Mountain, We're gonna Mountain. Cut

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to the chase. Even, I think we can already see

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 1>how how even their early forms help inspire the idea

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:04.439
<v Speaker 1>of subterarine. But even considering the more modern forms of

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the TBM, you know, you have to ask how close

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>does the idea of a subterarine really get to a TBM.

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>So we have to consider the facts. So first of all,

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 1>as as we mentioned already, generally speaking, a t b M,

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and there are different varieties of TBM for different types

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 1>of rock. It is a tool, not a vehicle. It is,

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, a piece of equipment. It's used to make

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a tunnel, not to simply tunnel from one place to another.

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I suppose you can say it does both, but the

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>tunnel making is the key focus. Plus it's part of

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a system and an overall project that entails workers, specialized

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>trucks to haul away the rock, etcetera. You're not gonna

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>hijack one of these things and bore a rogue tunnel

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>with it. Also, TBMs are in general neither independent nor

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>truly mobile, and here this is important too. They are

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>certainly not fast. Yeah. Now, I think another thing is

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of these are going to be in

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>some kind of way, and not exactly like a train,

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.360
<v Speaker 1>but sort of on rails like in a way. They

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 1>will have infrastructure that is supporting the forward movement of

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the vehicle. And it's not just like rolling ahead on

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>its own right. It is a thing you move up

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 1>or you have at the front of your tunnel boring project. Now,

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 1>one of the more exciting players in the realm of

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of of TBMs these days is none other than Elon Musk.

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay doak. Yeah. I don't know if you're familiar with

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 1>this joke, but he founded the Boring Company in I

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was trying to read about it, but I just fell asleep.

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:42.160
<v Speaker 1>You just, uh joke I've ever made on the show.

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's cut it. No, let's leave it. Let me deal

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>with the shame. Now you can laugh at Elon Musk jokes. Um,

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's clever. They really commit to it. Um.

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:54.719
<v Speaker 1>If you can look at the website and you can

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>see that there's a lot of tongue in cheek there,

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>but but it is a real project, and then it

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 1>looks like they're making a lot of exciting progress here.

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>So part of the whole idea of the Boring Company

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>is that they want to they want to see tunnel

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>usage being a huge part of our sustainable future, Like

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>in terms of of creating more sustainable infrastructure, it's better

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to get as much of it underground as possible. And

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>then this has been a trend in futurism UM for

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 1>a while. This isn't in and in and of itself

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>anything new, but these are some of the reasons that

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 1>they cite UH for investing UM in the improvement of

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 1>TBM technology. First of all, there's no practical limit to

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>how many layers of tunnels can be built, so any

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>level of traffic can then be addressed through these tunnels.

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Tunnels or weather proof tunnel construction and operation is ultimately

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>silent and invisible to anyone on the surface. And this

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>is not something that I saw them touch on, but

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.199
<v Speaker 1>certainly as a part of the larger sort of futurism

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>design focus of underground systems. Is, of course, if you

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 1>put your highways under round, then you can have more

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>like trees on top. You know, you can have some

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of a return to nature. You can take the

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you can give back the land that the that are so,

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, our highways and streets have stolen. But to

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.239
<v Speaker 1>do all this you've got to make tunnels. And the

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>thing is, tunnels are expensive to bore. The price that

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>they quote in their materials is one billion dollars per mile,

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and and then it's a slow process on top of that.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>In fact, musk Uh joked that a snail travels fourteen

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 1>times faster than a traditional TBM, and as such, they

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>did this whole bit where they said they had this

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>pet snail named Gary, and their goal was to beat

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Gary and a foot race with their TBM. So in

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>order to do that, the company stresses the importance of

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>increasing TBM power output, making tb ms capable of continuous

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>tunneling without breaks for support structure building as is currently

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the norm, also the importance of making tb ms autonomous,

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>and also creating a system by which the excavated rock

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>is then made into bricks on site or perhaps even

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>within the t b M itself for use in the

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>support structure. Oh and that's another thing I should probably

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>describe what these t b ms, and sort of all

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>modern t b ms look like. They look like, um

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>that they do not have a conical drill at the front. Uh.

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>It tends to, at least at first glance, look a

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>lot like flattery. It looks like a cross between an

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>east cigarette and a tape worm. Oh, two great things

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>not to put in your mouth. Yeah. Um. The Boring

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Company also promotes the idea of smaller tunnels, So instead

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of relying just on like enormous tunnels through which you

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>put like a you know, a four lane highway, instead

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>make a smaller tunnel with a one way, uh, one

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>lane highway for one way traffic as well. This also

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>factors into the various loop and hyperloop projects that Musk

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>has involved in. So you, I have to say a

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of that, especially when you're talking about, you know,

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>looking into the future, A lot of that certainly sounds

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>more like the subterarine we know and love. Though at

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the same time, I think it all further underlines the

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:16.719
<v Speaker 1>realities of boring that tend to limit these fictional visions. Um.

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>And and I should also know the boring company is

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>actually building tunnel, so it's we're not just talking about

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>a pure futurism project. Um. They have I believe, three

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>different TBMs, all of them with with wonderful names. There's

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the Good, there's the line Storm, which I believe I

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>read is named for um, Robert Frost poem or a

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>line in Robert Frost poem. And then there's the proof Rock.

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh j Alfred proof Rock. Yeah. Um, the proof Rock,

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>which is is two words in the name here is

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>one that's still in development, but we will be used soon.

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Why is it named the proof Rock? Is it is

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>it lying like an patient eutherized upon a table or

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>is it let's um, I think maybe it's just like

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the proof if it's in the r I don't know

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>how deeply it is invoking the poem. It has measured

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>its progressing coffee spoons, well, whatever you know, we want

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to call them. Um. These are some of the stats.

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>The line Storm is said to be two to three

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>times faster than conventional TBMs. Proof Rock is supposed to

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>be as much as ten times faster than conventional machines.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>And I I was reading about this in the publication

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Tunnel Insider, which I've never read before. I was not

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a subscriber to Tunnel Insider. But as they

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>put it in quote, if they and by they we

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>mean the Boring Company, if they are able to pull

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>this one off, it will mark a quantum leap in

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the history of tunnel boring technology and catapult the Boring

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Company to the pinnacle of subterranean engineering. These these particular

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>TBMs are also electric and are claimed to be three

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>times more powerful than conventional TBMs. Uh. The Boring Company

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>is still going strong, it seems. In fact, I was

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>reading that they recently finished a pair of Las Vegas

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>tunnels ahead of a plane opening. Well, more power to them,

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I gotta say, just from a puristetic sense,

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>in addition to all the practical reasons for it, I

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I like the idea of relegating transportation infrastructure underground. Yeah. Absolutely,

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>it all makes sense to me. Uh, And it seems

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 1>like they're making progress. Um. You know, of course they're

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>always questions and all of this, Like, you know, you

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>have to you're wanting to push the technology, but also

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it needs to be the affordable choice as well. Um.

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>But you know, the future. The future remains to be seen,

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>but but I'm hopeful. It seems seems like this might

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>be the way. Okay, Robert, are you ready to talk

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>about atomic battle moles? Yes, or as well atomic battle

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it is time because we've we've spoken about

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the pure sci fi, We've spoken about the the the

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the the actual technological history and and our current place

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>concerning TBMs. Let's start dealing with some of the murcury

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Er territory here. Okay, so he are, We're going to

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>dive into a bit of alleged Cold War crypto history,

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and we will have to warn you up front. The

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>sourcing that's available in English on this subject, I think

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is very murky, and there's a lot of uncertainty. Possibly

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>even in fact, I would say more than possibly, I

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>think quite probably. We're getting into some Edison Louis La

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Prince murder confession territory. If you listen to our Invention

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>episode on that, where a possible hoax document or work

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>of fiction is being misinterpreted by later writers as a

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>factual report and then built upon by embellishment, but with

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>some major caveats. Are are you ready to dig in? Yes?

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I do want to just throw in one quick nugget here.

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be talking about about Russian UH advances, advancements

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>or also or alleged advancements, and it's worth it's worth

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>noting that, first of all, UH Edgar Rice Burrows was

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>very influential just around the world, but there was also

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a key Russia sci fi author bad the name of

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Gregory Adamov, who wrote about subterines in Conquerors of the

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.479
<v Speaker 1>Underground in ninety seven. Oh yeah, I was reading about

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>this and one of the articles that I'm going to

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>reference in a minute here points out a hilariously machine

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>translated version of that title Conquerors of the Underground, which

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>is Winners of the Bowels. Well that's good, okay, okay,

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, well, what's what's the prompting for all this? Well,

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago you you might have seen

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>a number of double take headlines running around the internet

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 1>about the Soviets developing a nuclear powered subterine weapon during

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the Cold War. We can I know there was an

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>article on like I f L Science about it. There

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>there's one we can check in with hero in, our

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>old arch nemesis, The Daily Mail, The headline is quote

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:56.280
<v Speaker 1>revealed the nuclear powered mole the Soviets built to burrow

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>beneath America and deliver atomic bombs under ground undergrounds in

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.839
<v Speaker 1>all caps. Oh yeah, this is a great headline, right.

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So I was looking to trace back to the source

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>some of the claims in this article. So this is

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>not the main source of the of it, but I

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>think it gets to the core of some of what

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be looking at here. So there's an

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>English article from June in an online publication called Russia Beyond.

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 1>The headlines. Now, it's just known as Russia Beyond, which

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>is a multi lingual arm of the major Russian state

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>newspaper rosie Skaya Gazetta. And I'm not generally very familiar

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>with rosy Skya Gazetta Russia Beyond, I don't have a

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>very good sense of how generally reliable it is. But

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>this article is derived from reporting from a government funded

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>newspaper of the Russian Federation, and it doesn't actually name

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 1>most of its sources. So I think we have to

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>treat the claims in this article with an extremely heavy

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>dose of skepticism. Uh that's not to say everything in

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>it is necessarily untrue. But I would not hang my

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 1>hat on anything here, but just so we can lay

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>it on the table, let's at least look at what

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>this article claims. So it talks about how during the

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>middle of the Cold War, the Soviet Premier Nikita Krutzchev

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>ordered the construction of mechanized units that would be able

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>to burrow underground to destroy military targets. And these might

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>be underground bunkers or command centers or strategic missile launch sites,

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>or to destroy underground communications infrastructure. And this hypothetical tunneling

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>weapon that Krutzchev supposedly ordered the construction of would be

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>known as a battle mole. So we're back to the

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>moles again. Now. One of the supposed advantages of the

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>battle mole would be its ability to tunnel the targets

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>deep behind enemy lines undetected and detonate charges, or even

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to surface and deposit Soviet troops, sort of like an

0:36:56.239 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>underground APC. So was there any historical press for this well.

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>The article claims that the first self powered underground military

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>vehicle was designed by someone named Pyotr Raskazov in Moscow

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and nineteen oh four, but that this was just a design.

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>It was never realized. He made some drawings, but the

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.240
<v Speaker 1>designs were lost around the outbreak of the First World

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>War ten years later, and then there were attempts to

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>bring the project back in the nineteen thirties under the

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union. Again, according to this article, the person in

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>charge of this effort to to revive the underground battle

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>mule idea was somebody identified in this article simply as

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>engineer treble Leev, which sounds like it's it sounds like

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Kirk selecting a red shirt for the landing party and

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Star Trek, you know. Um, but engineer Trebellev wanted to

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>quote design a machine which would look like a real mole. No,

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 1>no further explanation though. I actually I did find an

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 1>article from from the nineteen fifties that explains what this

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>is referring to. I'll leave that as a surprise for

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 1>a little bit later. I mean, I would hope that

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the translations a little off, and the ideas that it

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.240
<v Speaker 1>functions like a mole and not that it just looks

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>like one. Though that's exciting in its own right. I mean,

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>this is an English language article, this wasn't machine translated. Okay, well,

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe it's just supposed to look like a Molden

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 1>wanted to design a machine which would look like a

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>real mole. But eventually, you know, whatever happened here, the

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>project fizzled. And so then Nikita Krutzchev comes to power

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>as the first Secretary of the Communist Party in nineteen

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>fifty three after the death of Joseph Stalin, and according

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to this reporting, Krutzschev was big into the idea of

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the battle mole and he strongly supported its redevelopment. So

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, go out there, create the people's mole. And uh.

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly there was a secret underground facility in Ukraine for

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>developing and producing these moles, and the first nuclear powered

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>prototype for the battle mole was completed in nineteen sixty four. Now,

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>according to the article, this would have been a tunneling

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>vehicle powered by an internal nuclear reactor like a nuclear submarine,

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 1>which again, this would be an ideal power source for

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>like any kind of long term stealth vehicle for the

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>same reasons it's useful for like strategic ballistic missile subs. Right. Uh,

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the nuclear power allows you to run

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>silently for a long period of time without having to

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 1>return and get fuel. Somewhere and it doesn't you know,

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't produce any emissions other than heat, so you know,

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>it's an ideal fuel choice. Just as a note of

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>historical comparison, uh, the first nuclear powered submarines I looked

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>this up. They were produced by the United States and

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union, and like the mid to late fifties.

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 1>I think the US put out their first nuclear sub

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 1>in then in nineteen fifty five and the USSR by night. Yeah.

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>And and of course it was just the overall atomic

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 1>trend of of looking at ways to power various types

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of vehicles. I mean, there was there's the whole realm

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of the atomic power aircraft they're looking at. Yeah, and

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's clear that we could do a

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 1>whole podcast on that in the future, or certainly the

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 1>ideas of atomic powered automobiles and so forth. Um, So

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of this line of thinking back

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and in the day there's a lot of enthusiasm enthusiasm

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 1>for this, uh, this sort of power. But to defend

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea here, like I think the idea of nuclear

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>power does make a whole lot of sense for for

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 1>a vehicle like a strategic missile sub because the whole

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>point is that it needs to go out there and

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>be hidden, and uh, you know, the strategic purpose of

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 1>it is that you don't know where it is, and

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 1>it's somewhere on the Earth, and it can be out

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 1>there for a long time without coming back to refuel. Right. Yeah,

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is if we I think we've discussed

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>this on the show before. I mean, this is one

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of the key parts of of for instance, the United Kingdoms,

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>uh nuclear deterrent. Yeah. But so back to this article

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>from Russia. Beyond so other claims that it makes about

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>this alleged battle mole, it says, quote it had a

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>stretched titanium cylindrical body with a pointed end and a

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:08.720
<v Speaker 1>powerful drill. It says the size would have been between

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty five and thirty five meters in length and then

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>between three to four meters in diameter, and its speed

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>underground as it's tunneling, would be between seven and fifteen

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>kilometers per hour. Now, I am no expert on tunneling vehicles,

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I admit, so my judgment may be way off, but

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>this is huge red flag for me. This sounds really

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>really fast. That sounds much faster than a snail to

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>go back to uh Elon Musk's u um snail race. Right,

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 1>this thing can tunnel through the ground faster than some

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>people can run. I don't know. Yeah, okay, but the

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:52.919
<v Speaker 1>article also claims that quote the nuclear physicist Andrei Sakarov

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 1>was involved with the creation of this machine, possibly with

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the development of the original soil crushing and propulsion system

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:04.240
<v Speaker 1>to tchnology, the cavitation flow created around the battle mole's

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>body reduced friction and enabled it to bore through granite

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and basalt. Again, I very much doubt if there's any

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 1>truth to this association, but for those who aren't familiar,

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Andrei Sakarov is absolutely a very real and very important

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>figure in twentieth century history. Uh Sakarov was a Russian

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>nuclear physicist who worked on the Soviet Union's nuclear weapons

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>program in the late forties and the fifties. He's considered

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in some ways the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb,

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>but he later became an activist, protesting for civil liberties

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and human rights within the Soviet Union, and he received

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a Nobel Peace Prize in nineteen I know he was

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:48.280
<v Speaker 1>not popular with the with the Soviet government for his activism.

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 1>At some point I know he was sent into internal exile. Um.

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, So back to the article. So the article

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>claims that the battle Mole took a crew of five

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 1>people to operate, and it could carry up to fifteen

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 1>paratroopers on top of that, So again, it is actually

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>being alleged that this thing would bore in under the earth,

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.319
<v Speaker 1>drill up to the surface, and then let out a

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 1>bunch of dudes. Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's straight

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 1>It sounds straight up Ninja turtles. It sounds like I mean,

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it makes me think of stormtroopers jumping out of one

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>of these things, right right, Or of course if it

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 1>wasn't you know, fifteen paratroopers could deliver a payload of

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.839
<v Speaker 1>weapons or equipment or especially an explosive charge, and this

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>payload could be of up to a ton. Now here's

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>here's the part where it gets really interesting. The article

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>alleges there was a secret plan for an underground strike

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 1>on America which would be triggered It said if the

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>United States quote deteriorated beyond the point. No further explanation there,

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 1>but I guess the idea is like, if if the

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>US is starting to look weak, then like this, these

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.280
<v Speaker 1>things could drill in, So how would they tunnel underneath

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the United States? Well, allegedly the play and was to

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 1>bring them to the United States coast inside nuclear submarines,

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>specifically to the California coast, and the California coast is

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>singled out for its seismic instability, and then the moles

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>would be released from underwater to tunnel into California and

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>plant nuclear explosive charges under strategic facilities and fault lines

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 1>without being noticed right at all. And also this would

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>this turn, this attack, it alleges, would be a kind

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>of false flag for nature where the nuclear charges they'd

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>be detonated, but it would just look like naturally occurring

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 1>earthquakes and tsunamis all over the place, and it'd be like,

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess Mother Nature is just mad at us. Oh man,

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is there's so many sci fi possibilities

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>just in this, like the idea of say, ultimately slow

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>moving nuclear drill machines have been slowly making their way

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>from the California coast to the heartland, and when they

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 1>finally open up, you have all these like hideously atomic

0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>mutated paratroopers that emerge. All the talk sick of injured.

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Now speaking Russian, so much fun to you can have

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>with this concept. But anyway, so I've I've just got

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to read the conclusion here verbatim quote. According to some reports,

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>test runs of the Soviet nuclear subterine were carried out

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 1>in different geological conditions in suburban Moscow's soils, in the

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Rostov region and in the Urals. Witnesses who observed the

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 1>tests were most struck by the capabilities the subterine demonstrated

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>in the Ural mountains, the battle mole easily bit into

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>hard rock and destroyed the underground target. However, a tragedy

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>occurred during the repeated trials. For reasons unknown, the machine

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>exploded deep within the bowels of the Urals, killing the

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 1>entire crew. Shortly thereafter, the project was shelved. Oh man,

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole like cool Indie historic horror film concept

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 1>right there, This doomed subterine. It gets I don't know,

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.839
<v Speaker 1>eaten by Judd's or something, right. I think this would

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>make a great movie. But I have serries us doubts

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 1>about this report, like even if this were published by

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>a source that I thought to be trustworthy. Again, I

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know much about the source and it is related

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to like a government funded paper. Some of like my

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:16.399
<v Speaker 1>basic plausibility alarms are flashing red. But anyway, so back

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to like a lot of the ten circulation of the

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.959
<v Speaker 1>story that was going around and you know, daily mail.

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>In all these places, it seems to trace back to

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 1>an article in Gelopnik by senior editor Jason Torchinsky, who,

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to his credit, does show skepticism about some of these claims,

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe more so than some of the derivative articles do.

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Um which but it tries to follow up on these

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>claims by consulting some contemporary articles in Russian language sources,

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it machine translated, though um So. It

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 1>was Torchinsky, by the way, who pointed out that idea

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.879
<v Speaker 1>of the machine translation of conquerors of the underground being

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 1>winners of the bowels. So he is the winner of

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the winner of the bowels. But um he develops on

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the assertion that this this guy, remember engineer trabellev that

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>he wanted it to look like a mole. Uh. Twarcensky

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 1>points out that this is supposedly because he studied X

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>rays of a mole skeleton in order to design the machine.

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 1>That makes a little bit more sense uh and will

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.240
<v Speaker 1>be further developed even more by another source I found.

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>As for the reports of this nineteen thirties model, there's

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 1>all this vagueness in the sources. It's hard to tell

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:29.399
<v Speaker 1>from what's available, how large Trabelle's model was supposed to be,

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>whether it was crude, etcetera. Um Regarding the prototype built

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty four, Twarcensky turns up some more claims

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:39.759
<v Speaker 1>about how the project came to an end from the

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Russian reporting and rosy Skaya Gazetta, which is apparently what

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that Russia Beyond article was sort of derivative of. But

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>here here's additional detail machine translated, of course. Quote. However,

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 1>during next tests in nineteen sixty four, a car that

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>penetrated the Ural mountains near Nisney tag Gil for a

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>stance of ten kilometers for unknown reasons, exploded. Since the

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 1>explosion was nuclear, the apparatus with the people in it

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 1>simply evaporated and the broken tunnel collapsed. In the press

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 1>was the name of the deceased commander of the Battle Mole,

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Colonel Semyon Budnikov, but official confirmation of this never sounded.

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>The project was closed. All documentary evidence of it was

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 1>liquidated as if nothing had ever happened, very conveniently here, right,

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>So all physical evidence of this experiment is completely erased

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 1>from the earth. And then it gets even fishier and

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 1>starts to get into territory where I'm wondering who's fooling who.

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>So this is again from the Rosy skya Gazetta report

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>explaining why the explosion happened. Quote or maybe another civilization

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 1>exists literally under our feet, and the guards did not

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>want the Soviet mole to penetrate the forbidden limits. After all,

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the technical characteristics allowed the battle mole to reach the

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 1>center of the Earth. Therefore, unique underground machine was destroyed,

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and the mystery of the longstanding Soviet project is likely

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to never be fully revealed. Oh okay, so the underground

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 1>civilization might have sabotaged it. Yeah, that doesn't sound pas right,

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>So there's definitely something wrong with this story. It doesn't

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 1>necessarily mean that all of the reports of historical Soviet

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>battle mole development are untrue, though here I'm getting the

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 1>feeling that a lot of these reports may be embellished,

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and this report about the nineteen sixty four vehicle specifically

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>might be a complete or near complete fiction. So the

0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 1>next thing I was looking to was seeing if we

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>can figure out about mid century subterrane projects from like

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>contemporaneous sources, like was anything published about it at the

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 1>time that I can access in English and understand? And

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>so I did come across something this was this was

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>linked through another source I found there was a nineteen

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 1>fifty six, actually December thirteen, nineteen fifty article in New

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Scientists called Russia's Battle Moles. Okay, now we're dealing with

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a publication we can get behind, I mean to an extent,

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Like now, I don't necessarily trust all of the claims

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>in this article either, but at least it might give

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:19.240
<v Speaker 1>us a better idea of not necessarily what really happened,

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 1>but what ideas were actually being discussed in the nineteen fifties. Uh.

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, this isn't like a you know, decades later source.

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Now we can find out whether or not the idea

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of these machines was actually in the air, regardless of

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.399
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they were actually built. And I will

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 1>know this is a very early article for New Scientists.

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>It was founded a New Scientist I think was founded

0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>just a month or two before this article was published.

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty six. But it starts off talking about

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>how slow and labor intensive the process of tunneling is

0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and how great it would be to have a machine

0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that's like a mechanical mole or an underground boat that

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:58.359
<v Speaker 1>can speed up the process of digging tunnels. And then

0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 1>they go on to report an unnamed contemporary Russian technical

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>journal that is describing the attempts of Soviet scientists to

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 1>build a machine like this um, something that would be

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:15.399
<v Speaker 1>able to independently drive around underground boring tunnels. And they

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.840
<v Speaker 1>corroborate the idea that this research is based on bio mimicry,

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the biomimicry of the mammalian mole quote. The investigation of

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 1>moles technique was carried out in the Ural mountains. Local

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 1>hunters taught the Russian scientists how to catch moles. Then

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.799
<v Speaker 1>the lengths of the captured moles from tip to tail

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.799
<v Speaker 1>were measured. Next, the animals were allowed to burrow and

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the duration of their task was timed with a stop watch,

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>from the moment they started digging to the moment that

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 1>the end of their tails disappeared into the earth. In

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 1>this way, the speed of digging under various conditions was calculated.

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>In clay, the mole borrowed at a rate of two

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty four ft per hour and in black

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.359
<v Speaker 1>earth three d and sixty one ft per hour. In

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>some cases even higher speed were attained. The second part

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:04.879
<v Speaker 1>of the investigation was carried out in the laboratory. A

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:08.720
<v Speaker 1>box measuring sixteen inches square by eight feet long was used.

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>The box was packed with clay soil and arranged in

0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>front of an X ray machine. A mole was placed

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 1>at the front end of the box and it started

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to burrow its way through the soil in the box.

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 1>By X ray photography, a record of the moles progress

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 1>was obtained, showing the movement of its muscles and skeleton. Okay,

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.279
<v Speaker 1>so this is starting to become actually clear to me now, yeah,

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is this is where we're again. We're

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about biomimicry. Here we said, we're talking about uh,

0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>scientists considering a problem, an engineering problem, and then looking

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 1>for an answer in um evolved biology. Right. So they

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:48.279
<v Speaker 1>discovered that the mole digs by working its head and

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:51.279
<v Speaker 1>its paws back and forth along and access in the

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.239
<v Speaker 1>front to to loosen the soil ahead of it, and

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:57.320
<v Speaker 1>then it moves the displaced earth out of the way

0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:00.720
<v Speaker 1>and presses it up into the side of the tunnel,

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of packing it against the edges of the tunnel

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:06.399
<v Speaker 1>with its what they call its withers. I guess that's

0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:08.600
<v Speaker 1>like the back of its neck and upper back area,

0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:13.240
<v Speaker 1>and with its shoulders, and then it continually applies forward

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>pressure by digging in and pushing with its hind legs.

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And the article claims that this pressing out of the

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>displaced earth by the strong withers and the shoulder muscles

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>of the mole is actually the most important discovery here,

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>because again, one of the biggest problems with with drilling, tunneling, boring,

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:33.360
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it, is how to deal

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 1>with the displaced material as you go right. The New

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Scientist article goes on quote from the lessons learned with

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the mole, the Russians built a mechanical model, followed by

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 1>a larger scale machine consisting of a cutter corresponding to

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.879
<v Speaker 1>the mole's head, a worm for ramming loosened earth into

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the walls of the tunnel corresponding to the withers, and

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.879
<v Speaker 1>propellers corresponding to the hind legs. In the front part

0:53:57.880 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>of the body of the machine is a powerful cutter

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>made of hard alloy. Behind the four propellers, which push

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.320
<v Speaker 1>against the walls of the tunnel and move the machine

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 1>forward at a speed of thirty ft per hour. The

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 1>cutter rotates at a speed of three revolutions per minute

0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.239
<v Speaker 1>for use in hard soils. The cutter can also be

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 1>given hammer blows as it rotates. Uh and it says yes,

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.360
<v Speaker 1>this would have needed a human pilot to steer it. So.

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.160
<v Speaker 1>The article claims that the machine was built and tested

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:29.799
<v Speaker 1>in the Ural Mountains in nineteen six, and Soviet engineers

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:33.320
<v Speaker 1>have it says, made improvements in its speed and size

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>since then. The article does not really even though it's

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:40.360
<v Speaker 1>called battle mole, The article does not really mention military applications. Instead,

0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>it emphasizes how useful this kind of device would be

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>for the kind of tunneling we were talking about earlier,

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like for mining or for urban engineering. One thought that

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 1>comes to mind thinking about this is if well, I mean,

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 1>first of all, if you wanted to solve this engineering

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 1>problem like looking to the mole, is is is certainly

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.560
<v Speaker 1>one way to to try and answer those questions. Even

0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.200
<v Speaker 1>if things might not scale up all the way, but

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>in terms of a warfare scenario, it seems like this

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>is the sort of thing that, if you could pull

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>it off, would be very advantageous in older modes of warfare.

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:16.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, like if you're dealing with with siege warfare,

0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 1>having a battle mole could really turn the tide. Perhaps

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 1>even in trench warfare, you know where you have you know,

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>these hard fronts, uh, in these Noman lands. You know

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that I could see that being a factor. But it

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 1>is certainly I don't know. People may disagree with me,

0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like once you get into the World

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:38.959
<v Speaker 1>War two era and the post War War two era,

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the usefulness of this kind of a device, even if

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you could pull it off, becomes um uh, you know,

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:49.480
<v Speaker 1>less obvious. Yeah, it's I mean, it seems much more

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>useful in the world that doesn't already depend on air power.

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 1>You've already conquered the skies at this point. Now you

0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>could say that well maybe the maybe an underground mole,

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>at least hypothetically could be more stealthy than air power.

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, we have stealth bombers and

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:10.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff now, but um well, you know it reminds me

0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of uh, the super secret weapon um of the Byzantines,

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the Greek Fire. We did an episode on that and

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that came out about it was

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 1>that it was it was useful if you used it

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 1>every once in a while under very specific circumstances, but

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 1>if people were expecting it, uh, then it lost its usefulness. Yeah,

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like more useful as a kind of shock weapon

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>than as like a regular mainstay of how you win battles.

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so I want to kind of put a

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 1>bow on this issue of the Soviet atomic battle mole.

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>There appears to be a very good, skeptical and well

0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:49.839
<v Speaker 1>sided dive into the issue of the atomic subterine from

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 1>way back in twelve at the Atomic Sky's blog, and

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 1>it's called the atomic subterine. Uh. The author of this blog,

0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, offers a very reasonable assessment of this weird

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.960
<v Speaker 1>in murky subject, in addition to a very good right

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 1>up in general of atomic subterarine ideas as they were

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.759
<v Speaker 1>explored in the United States, which Robert I know you're

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.279
<v Speaker 1>going to get into in a minute here. But the

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:14.279
<v Speaker 1>author here he just goes by Mark, but he acknowledges

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the claims we've talked about so far regarding the alleged

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Soviet atomic battle mole, and he concludes that there probably

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 1>was a real Russian program in the nineteen fifties to

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:29.760
<v Speaker 1>develop a conventional chemical powered tunneling machine known as an

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 1>underground boat, but that the part about the atomic battle

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 1>mole and krutz Chev's attack plan, uh you know, attack

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the US from below, that this is not just untrue,

0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 1>but possibly a prank gone wrong. Uh So, I'm gonna

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>read from his in note here quote I strongly suspect

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that the supposed nuclear powered prototype was an April fools

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 1>hoax by the Russian language Popular Mechanics magazine. The first

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 1>mention of it I can find online and comes from

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the April issue of that magazine, and the diagram they

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 1>include incorporates what appeared to be mechanical tentacles. In any case, however,

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:14.040
<v Speaker 1>neither of these were a subterraine, but rather tunnel boring machines,

0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 1>And based on everything I've read, I think he's very

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 1>possibly correct. In fact, I might even say probably, And

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>if so, this would be interesting because we'd be again

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.760
<v Speaker 1>in territory I mentioned this earlier, like the territory of

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the Edison murder confession that we talked about in the

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Louis La Prince episode of Invention, where something originally intended

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:39.000
<v Speaker 1>as what I think was a non malicious, explicit, explicitly

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 1>fictional document is later misinterpreted by a bunch of other

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>writers as a legitimate news report. And this is why

0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:50.520
<v Speaker 1>April Fool's articles should be exiled to Siberia forever like

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 1>no more of them ever. I agree. And on that note,

0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:56.840
<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. But when we come back,

0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:02.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll discuss uh some of the US based research into

0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea of a subterarine. Thank alright, we're back, alright.

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 1>So we think that these reports about the Soviet atomic

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.520
<v Speaker 1>subterine and the the attack America from below planned that

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 1>this is probably not true. It's you know, it may

0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:21.000
<v Speaker 1>be based on some actual research that took place, but

0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the the overall story is not real and this thing

0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 1>was never actually built or tested in the Earl Mountains,

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>at least as best we can tell. Um. But that

0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that the idea of an atomic subtarine was

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 1>never seriously investigated at all. That's right, Uh, so, I

0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I too was looking at that atomic Skuy's blog post

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and I was also looking at a piece by Steve

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>wentz H in the National Interest that that also cites

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that particular blog post um and Yeah. The United States

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:55.200
<v Speaker 1>also looked into this technology, into this idea of a

0:59:55.240 --> 1:00:00.959
<v Speaker 1>subterarine UH specifically um during the n lost Alamos National

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<v Speaker 1>Laboratory explore the use of nuclear of a nuclear powered subterarine.

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<v Speaker 1>Engineer Bob Porter was allegedly inspired by at Earth's Core

1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:13.800
<v Speaker 1>by the by the Boroughs novel after noting the three

1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:17.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand degrees integrade temperatures of a prototype reactor in the fifties,

1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and then in experiment by Potter showed that this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of drilling could be possible. The resulting project was intended

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<v Speaker 1>to produce a vehicle quote capable of penetrating the Earth

1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>to depths of ten kilometers to extend geological and geophysical

1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:37.280
<v Speaker 1>exploration into the Earth's mantle. Now, the important idea here

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<v Speaker 1>is that this subterine envisioned by Potter here would not

1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:43.840
<v Speaker 1>drill just through traditional boring like a you know, a

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 1>drill bit or a bunch of drill bits, that it

1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:51.120
<v Speaker 1>would primarily work through melting right using the superheating from

1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:55.520
<v Speaker 1>either a nuclear or an electrical source to to superheat

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<v Speaker 1>something like some tongue sten or something that would melt

1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the rock away and allow you to just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like go through it like a hot knife through butter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, it would be swimming through the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be creating its own lava tube and sliding

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<v Speaker 1>through it. Uh yeah, So I mean it's it's an

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<v Speaker 1>ingenious solution, you know, um or potential solution. So apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the first of all, I do want to like you,

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<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned earlier, I would I would encourage everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to check out that Atomic Sky's blog post because he

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<v Speaker 1>also goes into a little more detail about this supposed

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario where they were talking about it at at

1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 1>out luncheon or at a diner or something. Yeah, bar

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<v Speaker 1>and um, and it just kind of the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>it was got picked up by um, was it a

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<v Speaker 1>it was a politician this politician. Yeah, the the scientists

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<v Speaker 1>from the lab on Friday, we're hanging out just like

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<v Speaker 1>having drinks and talking about ideas that occurred to them

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<v Speaker 1>in a some politician, I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a US rap or a New Mexico reps. Some politician

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<v Speaker 1>legislator walks in and overhears them talking about this subterine

1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:03.760
<v Speaker 1>idea and gets really excited about it. Yeah, he's like,

1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that sounds great, let's fund it. And so they did

1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and got funded. Um. So, apparently, in addition to mining,

1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:15.200
<v Speaker 1>tunneling and exploration, the project also entailed this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>the tech could be used to create storage cavities in

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<v Speaker 1>the earth, in the deep Earth, not only for toxic

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and nuclear waste. And we've discussed on the show before

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<v Speaker 1>about out the the the the deep geologic isolation of

1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:30.040
<v Speaker 1>nuclear waste is actually a you know, a really supported idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also got into this idea of how putting

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<v Speaker 1>pressurized gases in these storage cavities that could then be

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<v Speaker 1>unleashed to drive turbines for energy. It's an interesting idea. Yeah,

1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I would not have thought of that, but yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. So um. According to again that National Interest

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<v Speaker 1>article and the Atomic Skuy's blog post, uh, the everything

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<v Speaker 1>kind of came together like this. So in the National

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<v Speaker 1>Science Foundation funded a full scale study of the nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>subtu rain and then a small scale electrically powered prototype

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<v Speaker 1>drills were built and one was used by the National

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<v Speaker 1>Park Service to drill drainage holes at Bandalier National Monument

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<v Speaker 1>near Los Alamos. The rock penetrator's lack of vibration. This

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<v Speaker 1>was apparently essential to preserving an archaeological site close by

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<v Speaker 1>while the holes were being drilled. And this, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>emphasizes again like some of the advantages that you would

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<v Speaker 1>have if you're just moving through rock primarily by melting

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<v Speaker 1>rather than standard grinding drilling stuff. Also, it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't produce a lot of dust and pollutants from the process.

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<v Speaker 1>There are many ways that melting down into the earth

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<v Speaker 1>is a quite elegant solution for tunneling. Yeah, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this referenced in some of the other like tunneling and

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<v Speaker 1>boring articles. I was coming across the idea of of

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<v Speaker 1>creating a tunnel in your wake that is like lined

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<v Speaker 1>in glass. You know, again, it's like a lava tube.

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<v Speaker 1>And therefore, you know, you wouldn't necessarily have this issue

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<v Speaker 1>of Okay, we have all this leftover stone, what are

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<v Speaker 1>we gonna do? How's the how's our subtermarine gonna then

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<v Speaker 1>turn that into blocks to reinforce the wreckage it leaves

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<v Speaker 1>in its wake. So the sources here they point out

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<v Speaker 1>that the according to the designs two cutting head designs

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<v Speaker 1>were looked at, one for common rock and one for

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<v Speaker 1>hard rock. So you had a traditional rotary cutting head

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<v Speaker 1>with the cylindrical rock melters, and then you also had

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<v Speaker 1>one with dozens of nuclear powered needle probs. Um, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty crazy idea, Like these are in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>these are like little tentacles. Are almost like the tentacle, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the head of the star faced mole right

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<v Speaker 1>where they kind of dig in and then but then

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<v Speaker 1>they melt right. And this again, it wouldn't have necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>like a conical tip. It might be more like a

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<v Speaker 1>flat disc type shape with the melting elements and then

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<v Speaker 1>the drilling elements. Yeah. Really more in line with traditional

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<v Speaker 1>TBMs in that in that respect, um. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>also mentioned that the probes would would would unevenly heat

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<v Speaker 1>the rock face, causing it to crack and crumble, so

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<v Speaker 1>that would be an an aspect of it as well. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, I mentioned the glass walls. But so

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the project transfers to the Department of Energy in

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five and from there it apparently mostly vanished. It

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<v Speaker 1>would pop up again in the nineteen eighties as a

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<v Speaker 1>possible way to tunnel for bases on the Moon. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was apparently this has been six and this was

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<v Speaker 1>a proposal by one doctor John Rowley. Yeah, well, and

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<v Speaker 1>and two other co authors. Yeah, and they published a

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<v Speaker 1>paper about, uh, excavating tunnels on the surface of the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon to shield colonists from the radiation that you would

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<v Speaker 1>be exposed to if you were trying to create a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear base or not a nuclear base, sorry, a moon base. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very common problem when people talk about

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<v Speaker 1>making moon bases. Right, You've basically just got again underground somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>And they called this idea not a subterine, but a

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<v Speaker 1>sub selline because it's the nice Yeah. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that in and of itself is a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty um elegant idea. Um. You know, you can certainly

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<v Speaker 1>imagine your lander delivers uh, the the subterine or subsiline

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle and then like that is necessary to burrow to safety. Um. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that Atomic Sky's post, Mark also touches on

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<v Speaker 1>a weaponized concept that was discussed to use the technology.

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<v Speaker 1>This would have been the radio isotope powered thermal penetrator

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<v Speaker 1>or the the rip TP, in which the machine quote

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<v Speaker 1>would form a bubble of magna and hot high pressure

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<v Speaker 1>gases behind itself. When it nears the underground base that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, presumably the target here, the pressure of the

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<v Speaker 1>gas and magma would burst the base walls explosively, destroying

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<v Speaker 1>the facilities near the breach through blast and fire. On

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<v Speaker 1>that blog post, he include some black and white too

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<v Speaker 1>illustrations of what these concepts would have looked like. You

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<v Speaker 1>get to see those, uh those needles at the front.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also this image of a tunnel that has been

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<v Speaker 1>board of what this would look like, this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>glass line tunnel, and it has kind of look kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a colon oscary um, you know it, it

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of a colonic appearance. Uh Now. Another one

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<v Speaker 1>of the advantages that that they talk about with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to the rock melting versus just the traditional drill type

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<v Speaker 1>excavator is that a rock melting model for a subtrain

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<v Speaker 1>would allow you to to potentially create a tunnel of

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<v Speaker 1>any shape you wanted. It wouldn't have to be a

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<v Speaker 1>circular tube. It could be square, it could be triangular.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you can do anything interesting. Yeah, Like especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're trying to create a space for

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<v Speaker 1>your moon base upon arriving, you know, for that you

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<v Speaker 1>might want say a large cube cubicle space, uh, underneath

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<v Speaker 1>the lunar surface, as opposed to just a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of tunnels to live in. Right, So I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the rock melting subsaline, I'm not sure that idea is

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<v Speaker 1>forever done with. Maybe they'll come back someday. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, because we've also we've discussed on the show

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<v Speaker 1>before how there are concepts of building such bases and

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<v Speaker 1>craters so you know, a naturally occurring um places to

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<v Speaker 1>hide in the linear surface. So so I don't know, Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it. Basically, we kind of leave this episode

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<v Speaker 1>with still a number of questions, you know, like what

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<v Speaker 1>what what is the future of boring and tunneling here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Earth or even on other you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>moons and planets that we might go to, and and

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<v Speaker 1>what is that going to look like? Are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to actually see subterines in the future, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's hard to say, but it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the tunnel boring advances that are taking place

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<v Speaker 1>today are encouraging of that. Um, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna let um Elon musk Uh strap a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>reactor to one of these things anytime soon. But well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's another interesting thing to point out, which is that,

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<v Speaker 1>um so, obviously there are lots of safety concerns whenever

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<v Speaker 1>you have a nuclear powered vehicle. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the case with all of the nuclear powered submarines and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But fortunately, I would say nuclear power safety concerns are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be les, sir, with a device that's being

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<v Speaker 1>used to tunnel deep underground, then they would be with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other kinds of vehicles, right, true. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's like if it's if it fails, it's down there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not to say that that that an accidental

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear detonation even underground is ideal, But I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are it's better than other places I'm saying, like

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<v Speaker 1>relative to an airplane or something. Yes, yeah, absolutely. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I guess another thing we should quickly acknowledges that the

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<v Speaker 1>internet is also full of claims that there are subtraines

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. They're making tunnels under the whole

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<v Speaker 1>world as we speak. That are you know, that are

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<v Speaker 1>full of like the the Illuminati warriors and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I would say subtraines and underground tunnels are a

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<v Speaker 1>very common trope of conspiracy theories, and I wonder why

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<v Speaker 1>that is. Why is it that specifically underground enclosures are

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<v Speaker 1>like such a common image in conspiracy theory thinking is

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<v Speaker 1>like underground bunkers, hidden underground bases, tunnels, there's always tunnels.

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<v Speaker 1>What why is that? Well? I mean, I think part

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<v Speaker 1>of it is that, I mean, these are really cool ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think a lot of conspiracy thinking does get

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<v Speaker 1>into areas of taking things that are really cool and

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<v Speaker 1>taking them too far, you know, taking them too far

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<v Speaker 1>into an area where you you want to believe them

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<v Speaker 1>so badly, and then you deal with the ramifications of

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<v Speaker 1>believing that you know, because it's interesting, it's therefore true. Yeah, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the hollow Earth, that's it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>fun concept. I I love reading about how Edgar Rice

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<v Speaker 1>Burrows constructed this this world. But if you start buying

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<v Speaker 1>into that concept, there's a whole lot of baggage that

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<v Speaker 1>comes with it. And and likewise, if yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to believe submarines are real and you

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<v Speaker 1>know they're out there in the world, burrowing tunnels and

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<v Speaker 1>what are they doing for whom are they burrowing these tunnels?

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<v Speaker 1>And what are the results? Suh, well I know the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for Lord kin Boat. Sorry that maybe in Next

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<v Speaker 1>Files right? Oh I just remember you're not the Next

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<v Speaker 1>Files person. Yeah, yeah, sorry I was. I'm struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>that reference. Who's Lord Kinboat. Oh he's you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord of the Underground Realm from Jose Chunks from

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<v Speaker 1>Outer Space. It's one of the best episodes of all times.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you've You've reckoned. I need to watch that

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<v Speaker 1>one someday. He ends up. Lord Kinboat reveals himself to

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<v Speaker 1>a character who is named after Rocky Ericsson and who

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<v Speaker 1>who gets a visit from Jesse Ventura as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Men in Black. It's just it's it's NonStop hits,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I need to check that out. Well, um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been a fun one. I feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>have to be some really cool examples of subterines and

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<v Speaker 1>fiction that we haven't covered. And you know, if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>out there is is more versed in even the conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory realm of subterarines, uh, I mean, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about it, you know, like like I say, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of secret underground bases and on link vehicles connecting

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<v Speaker 1>them all like that's that's uh, it's it's pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>fun soundings as long as it doesn't end up obscuring

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<v Speaker 1>your understanding of reality. If you can't get them out

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<v Speaker 1>of your mind, write a screenplay, don't post on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the forums. But but that being said, like the

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<v Speaker 1>real the reality of like TBM technology and and the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of work that's going on with the boring company

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<v Speaker 1>like bad and of It's the in and of itself

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<v Speaker 1>is really exciting. So um yeah, there's there's plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>of great stuff to go around just within the realm

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