Speaker 1: I just I think it's that's a very personal thing.
Speaker 1: You know, some people walk fast, some people walks like.
Speaker 1: Some people talk fast, some people talk So I think
Speaker 1: it's as long as you stay within your sort of
Speaker 1: bandwidth of sort of fire rhythms or bass or natural
Speaker 1: rhythms or something. I think it's okay. The thing about that,
Speaker 1: I think that it's worth watching with golf swing rhythms
Speaker 1: and stuff, as if they change under pressure. I think
Speaker 1: guys who whose swings have variable tempos, I think can
Speaker 1: look a little shaky. Put another log on the fire
Speaker 1: nobody hears get the time. Hello, This is Alan schip
Speaker 1: Duck back for another Fire Drill podcast. I've joined on
Speaker 1: my left by Michael Bamberger. Most importantly, we have on
Speaker 1: the line from Oz Jeff Ogilvie. Jeff, thanks for getting
Speaker 1: up early for this. Absolutely, you've been up for a
Speaker 1: few hours. Wouldn't miss it. So you've been you've been
Speaker 1: watching the you've been watching the golf. Tell me tell
Speaker 1: your impressions of the way the course is playing and
Speaker 1: what you're seeing out there. Um yeah, firstly the course.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't it nice to see a golf course
Speaker 1: set up so well for a golf tournament, greens that
Speaker 1: are a sensible pace. You know, it shows you that
Speaker 1: you don't need crazy fast greens to challenge the players.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're slopy enough greens. Um, they looked like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bounce something, so it matters
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. But it's the challenge of the greens,
Speaker 1: not the challenge of the pace of the greens, I think,
Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. Um, And a pretty lopsided drawer,
Speaker 1: it looks like at this point, which is unfortunate for
Speaker 1: the guys who played this morning. But JT and um
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick looks like they did the best of it, and
Speaker 1: they're obviously playing really really well. I guess it was
Speaker 1: really really tough on their side of the drawer. They
Speaker 1: had sort of twenty four hours of wind, and the
Speaker 1: other side of that the always got prettylucky the guys
Speaker 1: who are playing this afternoon. So um, there'll be a
Speaker 1: few guys who finished this morning who feel a bit
Speaker 1: hard done by. But all in all, I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. You know, I think a gil hands slash haunts,
Speaker 1: depending on how sophisticating might be. He did say something
Speaker 1: in the run up to this saying, you know, we
Speaker 1: prefer to compromise the green spies versus compromising architecture, which
Speaker 1: I thought was really refreshing because the modern game they
Speaker 1: just want to push it to the edge, and especially
Speaker 1: at these big tournaments, is almost like the set of
Speaker 1: guys that carriehigs A little better about that, but there's
Speaker 1: still this pressure to get the green super fast. But
Speaker 1: you know, it does seem like a sensible pace even
Speaker 1: though the it's still pretty darn quick coming down those hills.
Speaker 1: But what do you what do you think about philosophy,
Speaker 1: Jeff just to does does it take away from the
Speaker 1: championship test if the Greens are not blindingly fast? No?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I mean I think just because you can
Speaker 1: get the grains to fourteen and fifteen doesn't mean you should,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we can make cars it go
Speaker 1: three hundred miles and out, but that doesn't make it sensible.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, it's just what if we end up
Speaker 1: with crazy fast greens, you just end up having to
Speaker 1: have the ball the holes on the flat spots. Um,
Speaker 1: you can't use the interesting pin positions. Um. I think
Speaker 1: firmness is much more interesting than just out and out
Speaker 1: blinding speed. So I think no, I think girls completely right.
Speaker 1: I think you have much more. If you look at
Speaker 1: all the old golf courses, the great old golf courses,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all built with greens that used to
Speaker 1: run at five six seven on the stemp and that's
Speaker 1: got such sort of wild, crazy greens. It's a shame
Speaker 1: to sort of flatten those greens just because we can
Speaker 1: make them crazy fast. I think they're interesting and great
Speaker 1: courses because the greens have undulation and interest in them,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a there's a sensible pace to
Speaker 1: play all greens. And um, to be honest with your
Speaker 1: professionals generally get chatted sometimes when greens are slightly slower
Speaker 1: than maybe they're used to in the tournament like this,
Speaker 1: they seem to have a little bit of trouble. I
Speaker 1: always did. I always prefer the greens a bit faster.
Speaker 1: So um they obviously you say plenty fast, and there's
Speaker 1: there's plenty of slope on that a challenge the players.
Speaker 1: But I think a sensible pace for the slopes that
Speaker 1: you've got, I think it's great. And as you say,
Speaker 1: Kerry and the PGA always do a pretty incredible job
Speaker 1: setting a golf course, subcontroversy, free and interesting and they've
Speaker 1: got a great template with southern hills and looks like
Speaker 1: have done a perfect job. Chure if when you watch
Speaker 1: golf on two be as you've been doing this morning,
Speaker 1: do you have the volume honor rough on? Um, it
Speaker 1: can be interesting. There's there's a great there's kind of
Speaker 1: sort of a large amount of announcers, so there's enough
Speaker 1: variety there to not get me too frustrated. Um. Sometimes
Speaker 1: when you've been inside the ropes, when you listen to
Speaker 1: people talk about golf, it could be a little annoying.
Speaker 1: But no, it's been great. UM. I usually listen to
Speaker 1: it on and you get a bit of atmosphere. Obviously,
Speaker 1: when there's a group like Tiger and Jordan and that
Speaker 1: out there, that's it's nice to hear the crowd of
Speaker 1: the noise and um, the stuff and maybe some of
Speaker 1: the the mottos under the breath when they hit a
Speaker 1: shot that I unlock. I think that's all sort of
Speaker 1: powder watching the game. Yet we we should mention it's
Speaker 1: it's late afternoon here in Tulsa. Tiger and Rory are
Speaker 1: deep into their back nine and Michael, you you're out
Speaker 1: there walking I was there for a bid I kind
Speaker 1: of sneak to wait and see some other things. But
Speaker 1: what are your impressions of the Tiger Rory Jordan group. Well, uh, Jeff,
Speaker 1: tell me your opinion. Jordan's Speed is a wonderful person.
Speaker 1: I think anybody who's met Jordan's speedple off the golf
Speaker 1: course would love to be in his company. But to
Speaker 1: watch that practice swing, what you know, a hundred or
Speaker 1: more times around, I think it would drive you crazy
Speaker 1: after a while. But you tell me, Jeff, what what's
Speaker 1: it like for you watching Speed make that practice swing
Speaker 1: And what's it like? Not in that exact situation, but
Speaker 1: other times when we watch a guy who's got a
Speaker 1: weird move, does it get in your head or what's
Speaker 1: it like? I'm interested to say what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of it's I can't describe it
Speaker 1: in words. I kind of know what he's trying to feel. Um,
Speaker 1: it is probably strange for people to look at. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get frustrated, as you said. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: Jordan's He's one of the nicest guys out there. He tried,
Speaker 1: he works so hard, he just wants it so bad
Speaker 1: and he will try anything. Um, he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's not quite Harrington, but he's sort of got that tendency,
Speaker 1: you know, to just sort of try whatever he has
Speaker 1: to do to make it work. And it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: at the moment watching him do that. I think I
Speaker 1: wish he would. I don't know, he's I loved his
Speaker 1: swing when he first came out. I mean sort of
Speaker 1: people would talk about is like little sort of bent
Speaker 1: left arm, chicken wings sort of thing through the ball.
Speaker 1: But I thought he looked fantastic that first few years
Speaker 1: out on the golf course hitting the ball. So um.
Speaker 1: He's obviously searching and finding a feel and you can't
Speaker 1: sort of argue with that. He's played great the last
Speaker 1: few weeks, He's played great all year. Really, he's sort
Speaker 1: of right at the ship, if you like. A couple
Speaker 1: of years ago he was really battling with his game
Speaker 1: and sort of kept grinding and kept grinding, and he's
Speaker 1: found something that it works. And I guess when you
Speaker 1: find something that works, you just do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: just because it doesn't look like Samson, he doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not the right thing for him to do. Um,
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting to watch. But yeah, the swing
Speaker 1: actually looks pretty much like a Jordan's speed swing. It's
Speaker 1: really that practice thing. I've noticed tigers just staring down
Speaker 1: the fairway. He's not taking it in. But I think
Speaker 1: macar is a little bit like, what's this guy doing here?
Speaker 1: I really I do. When when you watch are you
Speaker 1: now of course your golf course architect you're very interesting
Speaker 1: architecture just other nails, but also you know the players,
Speaker 1: You know what it's like to play at this level. Um,
Speaker 1: which hat do you think you have on more at
Speaker 1: this point when you're watching mostly a player, I think
Speaker 1: in this situation, um, yeah, you just get all the
Speaker 1: sort of the fields and stuff a little bit from
Speaker 1: being out there and interested, and I look at all
Speaker 1: the things that players look like that the drawer, like
Speaker 1: I said, the lock side of draw is um frustrates me,
Speaker 1: even not even not even being in the tournament, because
Speaker 1: it's such an annoying thing when you get on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of it. Um and a little bit envious
Speaker 1: because it looks like a fun place to play. At
Speaker 1: the moment um it's obviously getting pretty hot, but it's
Speaker 1: an incredible place to play. It looks fantastic and great
Speaker 1: shape and a little bit jealous of the guys out there,
Speaker 1: but that's right, yeah, I mean, and sometimes the architecture,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been very interesting. Um it looks like
Speaker 1: you can play from the trees a little bit if
Speaker 1: you if you're sort of there's not some crazy rough
Speaker 1: under the trees. There's there's been some pretty impressive recovery
Speaker 1: shots I've seen. And the guys who sort of understand
Speaker 1: angles and they can miss fairways and miss greens on
Speaker 1: the correct side and they look like they're going okay,
Speaker 1: and the ones who miss at the wrong spot they
Speaker 1: look like they having all sorts of trouble. So um,
Speaker 1: it looks a fun place to play and a really
Speaker 1: fun place to watch golf played. It looks like I've
Speaker 1: been joined watching it. Sometimes it's it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a sort of a par fest and a bit boring
Speaker 1: and down the fairway and on the green, down the fairway,
Speaker 1: on the green and just chip outs when they miss.
Speaker 1: But um, there's most shots here are sort of fun
Speaker 1: to watch and interesting, and there's been great recovery shots.
Speaker 1: It's some massive drives. Rory's hitting it so far, it's incredible,
Speaker 1: So and trouble on the greens. I mean, no one's
Speaker 1: holding much and look like so it's just all around
Speaker 1: enjoyable well. And the way the just the way the
Speaker 1: fairways fan out in every different direction, it is great
Speaker 1: for spectating in that. Uh, when you have those parallel fairways,
Speaker 1: like at the old cores, sometimes you can't get on
Speaker 1: the inside. And but here there's so many great views
Speaker 1: and it's such a big ballpark. The crowd, it's a
Speaker 1: huge crowd, but it's nicely dispersed, so it's I was
Speaker 1: outside the ropes, just wandering around and you always with
Speaker 1: the hills and the undulations, you always have a good view,
Speaker 1: which is nice. But um, Jeff, you mentioned something that
Speaker 1: that picked my interest about how when they slow the
Speaker 1: greens down a little bit it can affect you. I
Speaker 1: saw I saw a tweet. It was about Burned Wisberger,
Speaker 1: who his ball striking numbers are off the charts on
Speaker 1: the European Tour, but he's not known as a great putter.
Speaker 1: And someone said, well, I think slow greens helped the
Speaker 1: bad putters because they have to really accelerate and they
Speaker 1: have to hit the ball hard. It's like less of
Speaker 1: a yippie delicate stroke and more really smacking the ball
Speaker 1: and it takes some of the flinch out. Is there
Speaker 1: anything to that and do do bad putters like I
Speaker 1: don't myst dog you the other way to be honest, Um,
Speaker 1: I think unless you have to hit it, I think
Speaker 1: fast greens, when you feel like you can just get
Speaker 1: the ball rolling, I feel like it's a little bit easier.
Speaker 1: It's a sort of be a bit smoother. I think
Speaker 1: when they actually have to have a hit it. I
Speaker 1: mean some of these uphill puts here at Southern Hills,
Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot of pitch on these grains. They
Speaker 1: look like they're having a hard time getting the ball
Speaker 1: of the whole a lot of the time hitting the
Speaker 1: ball hard. I think sometimes it's difficult when you're struggling
Speaker 1: with your putting. Um. I always sort of felt like
Speaker 1: if I was battling a little bit a fast green,
Speaker 1: a fast sort of pure grain, that you could just
Speaker 1: get the ball rolling and trickle, I always felt sort
Speaker 1: of maybe a bit easier. So look, and I think
Speaker 1: it works sort of both ways. I think Wiesberger plays
Speaker 1: in Europe where they sort of probably normally play slightly
Speaker 1: slower greens, so he brought me a little bit more
Speaker 1: comfortable on slower greens. And um, guys who grow I mean,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Melbourne, so that's probably why I
Speaker 1: like really fast greens, because we had greens that were
Speaker 1: probably always just a little bit too fast growing up.
Speaker 1: And then there's other people who grow up in places
Speaker 1: are really slow greens and they're probably comfortable there. So
Speaker 1: I think it's probably pretty personal. Um. Usually I think
Speaker 1: pros if the surface is good, bell part well and
Speaker 1: if the surfaces poor. Not that we played on poor services,
Speaker 1: but you guys know what I mean, sort of those
Speaker 1: afternoon greens on the Power and Pebble Beach or New
Speaker 1: York sort of thing. Sometimes they can get a bit roby,
Speaker 1: and that's generally when guys are bad, but when the
Speaker 1: surface is good, most guys out there on make them.
Speaker 1: If there's a little bit of a Rip Van Winkle
Speaker 1: effect for you, I would think because it's been a
Speaker 1: while since you've been here and now you're watching on TV,
Speaker 1: the game's change a lot, equipment change al out of
Speaker 1: the ball certainly changed a lot. The sides of the golfers.
Speaker 1: Do you see guys playing specific holes differently uh today
Speaker 1: than you did, uh you know when we were last
Speaker 1: year in two thousand and seven a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's incredible how like Rory hid it in the trees
Speaker 1: on was it five and then just hit it up
Speaker 1: into the greenside bunker and the holes like six and
Speaker 1: sixty yards. That's that's hard for me to imagine that
Speaker 1: anybody can do that. The length that the ball has gone.
Speaker 1: Oh seven was the last time we were there in
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I guess there's been there's been a long
Speaker 1: fifteen years in this game. How far the ball is
Speaker 1: going now or I mean there were probably a couple
Speaker 1: of guys who could hear at three twenty or so
Speaker 1: back then, but now there's a lot of guys who
Speaker 1: can do it. Um, So I think the length they're
Speaker 1: hitting it now. But mostly I'm just interested because there's
Speaker 1: a bit more with some of the fairways what girls done, Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's brought a bit more within a few more angles.
Speaker 1: So there's guys playing shots for frauds from spots that
Speaker 1: would have been in the rough in oh seven that
Speaker 1: are now in the fairway, which I'm finding quite interesting.
Speaker 1: And the rough looks a little bit more playable than
Speaker 1: it was when we had it back then. So just
Speaker 1: really sort of just fanning on the golf course and
Speaker 1: the and the golf is really not really sort of
Speaker 1: comparing eras too much. But yeah, the big difference is
Speaker 1: how far so many of these guys had it, And
Speaker 1: there's much more drivers. I mean we're a bit more
Speaker 1: conservative thing. Um. Back fifteen years ago, we we sort
Speaker 1: of fairway was more of a premium, I guess, or
Speaker 1: we didn't think we could hit driver quite as straight
Speaker 1: as they do now. So there's a lot more drivers
Speaker 1: now and a lot more aggressive, and um, it probably
Speaker 1: makes a little bit more fun to watch a lot
Speaker 1: of times. I think it's fun. We all love to
Speaker 1: say a guy I have a crack at a sort
Speaker 1: of a narrow hole and try to drive it up
Speaker 1: fifty short of the grain and stuff like they're doing
Speaker 1: with the drivers. So um, all in all, probably more interesting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the difference, Just that more aggression than
Speaker 1: just further. I wonder if the players have changed or
Speaker 1: the math nerds have won, because you know, there's all
Speaker 1: the shot linked data where they've kind of proven that
Speaker 1: it's better off to hit driver and be closer to
Speaker 1: the green even in if you're in the rough, and
Speaker 1: some players kind of knew that intuitively, whether it's Calcavecia
Speaker 1: or maybe you know Phil, but um, you know, they
Speaker 1: pretty much have have shown that to be the case
Speaker 1: in black and white numbers, that you just be as
Speaker 1: close to green as you can, and whether you're in
Speaker 1: the rough or not is becomes less important. Do you
Speaker 1: think information has changed the way? I mean Roy's talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at the flyovers and Google Earth and
Speaker 1: there's so much more ways to break down a golf
Speaker 1: course before you even get here with the stat packages
Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, is has that fed into maybe
Speaker 1: the fact that we're seeing more drivers? I think absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I think there was for so long in
Speaker 1: golf it was just done because that's the way it's
Speaker 1: always been done, you know. I don't think there's been
Speaker 1: too many deep dives into like why we do it
Speaker 1: this way. It's just like, well, short puff forwards, we
Speaker 1: just did it iron and these holes we did driver,
Speaker 1: and you never do this and you never do that
Speaker 1: because it was just that's the way we've always done it.
Speaker 1: So we do it that way. And I think guys
Speaker 1: like Jack and Hogan and a few guys that have
Speaker 1: probably took a little deeper dive into sort of intuitively
Speaker 1: trying to work out what worked better. But now within
Speaker 1: this sort of what are you with the money ball
Speaker 1: era or the sort of the analytics era, with with
Speaker 1: all the computers and the stats that are all taken
Speaker 1: now that sort of twenty years of shot linked better
Speaker 1: and stuff we've had, there's just, as you say, the
Speaker 1: number boffins have just gone crazy and just sort of
Speaker 1: shown us there's a better way to do it than
Speaker 1: you've traditionally thought. I mean that sort of old school
Speaker 1: thought that we used to have that always lay it
Speaker 1: up to your perfect yardage on a path five for
Speaker 1: your wedge and stuff. It's just completely gone. Now it's
Speaker 1: just you basically hit it as close to as you
Speaker 1: can to the whole after every shot, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Because you're going to do better from a
Speaker 1: hundred yards and you are from a hundred ten, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be from better from a hundred and ten than
Speaker 1: you are from a hundred and twenty. And that's pretty
Speaker 1: sort of linear all the way out. So that was
Speaker 1: never really the way people thought. We just did it
Speaker 1: the way we always thought it was supposed to be played,
Speaker 1: and now it's sort of we've been shown, as you say,
Speaker 1: by the stats guys and the numbers guys, that no,
Speaker 1: this is actually the way you play golf and do
Speaker 1: this as much as you can. There's obviously exceptions all
Speaker 1: over the place, so that rule, but um, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: definitely probably one of the more analyzed sports or games
Speaker 1: that's ever been played. So and I think finally there's
Speaker 1: people are listening as well, and there's benefit. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's instant benefit. As I said the shot link era,
Speaker 1: with all the stats and stuff that we get, it's
Speaker 1: provable now it's not just sort of theories and fields
Speaker 1: and old wives tales and it's actual reality fact. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to buy into something when someone says, look,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna you're just going to be better if
Speaker 1: you hit the ball here, as opposed to hear So,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. If you compare how Bryson played wing
Speaker 1: fort versus you, uh, you're playing a wing foot, does
Speaker 1: that be does that become particularly evident in that kind
Speaker 1: of comparison? Yeah, well that's the extreme example, right, I
Speaker 1: mean that's um, Bryson took it to the end, to
Speaker 1: to the absolute end of that um that week, just
Speaker 1: in it as far as he could and didn't care
Speaker 1: of you in the raff and Um, there's there's always
Speaker 1: been a little bit of element of that, to be honest,
Speaker 1: in the us open um, because they were always so narrow,
Speaker 1: or they've traditionally been so narrow, and it's so dead.
Speaker 1: When you miss the fairway, you might as well miss it.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna miss it anyway, you might as well
Speaker 1: miss it closer to the grain. I mean, So there's
Speaker 1: always been a little bit of that, but no one
Speaker 1: ever played it that way, you know. Um he did
Speaker 1: that way and we didn't do that. I mean, fairway
Speaker 1: was a premium for me. I just it was fair way.
Speaker 1: It was just fairway at all costs, really and then
Speaker 1: work from there. Whereas it's not really that now. It's
Speaker 1: as far as you can at all costs and then
Speaker 1: work it out. Um. So it's absolutely a difference. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think there's probably a happy medium in there,
Speaker 1: in the middle somewhere. I think just the extreme Bryson
Speaker 1: could do that four or five weeks in a right wingfoot.
Speaker 1: He probably you wouldn't win every time, you know, because
Speaker 1: you'd get some really bad lies in the raff and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't work out. And the guy who was ultra conservative,
Speaker 1: fairway only sort of guy, he would probably never catch
Speaker 1: Bryson on Bryson's good week. So I think there's sort
Speaker 1: of a I think you've got to take a high
Speaker 1: sort of level overview and all these sorts of things
Speaker 1: and just you know, sort of sort of walk in
Speaker 1: the middle there somewhere. There's there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: ways to get around a golf course, ultra ultra aggressive
Speaker 1: to ultra conservative. I mean, Tigers one a lot of
Speaker 1: majors being incredibly conservative, and that model still probably works
Speaker 1: around a lot of golf courses. So I mean, he's
Speaker 1: one more majors than any of us in the last
Speaker 1: sort of twenty thirty years. So I think you have
Speaker 1: to have a look at the way target used to
Speaker 1: approach it. And there's a piece there's a piece of
Speaker 1: mind in your head that comes from being in the
Speaker 1: fairway all day and playing that way. There's sort of
Speaker 1: a chaos in your head when you're sort of playing
Speaker 1: it out of the roff. So and there's a lot
Speaker 1: in that, and there's a lot of fatigue in trying
Speaker 1: to recover on every hole and getting it out of
Speaker 1: the roffs. So I think there's there's somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 1: there's the sweet spot for everybody. Everyone is going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit different, but you can absolutely sort
Speaker 1: of take some take some of the old wisdom and
Speaker 1: get something out of it, and take the modern sort
Speaker 1: of science and get something out of that and sort
Speaker 1: of find your way around each golf course that works
Speaker 1: best for you. I love all that. Um, what did
Speaker 1: you see from Tiger out there, Michael, Well, he really
Speaker 1: looks to be in pain, and uh, he's hitting some
Speaker 1: uncharacteristically bad shots that I don't know if you got
Speaker 1: If you saw the second shot in the part three eight,
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the lie, but he had plenty of green.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to see that one, Jeff, I'm plenty
Speaker 1: probably very earlier for you. But you know, Tiger has
Speaker 1: said this many times. Jeff would love to know your
Speaker 1: opinion of it, that of all the many records he
Speaker 1: has in the fifteen shot wins and all the rest,
Speaker 1: that that cut streak is the thing that he values
Speaker 1: so much. And I believe it because I think it
Speaker 1: really speaks to who Tiger is deep inside him, which
Speaker 1: is a grinder or someone who's not gonna give it up.
Speaker 1: And we don't know if he's going to make the
Speaker 1: cut today, but we know he's absolutely gonna give it
Speaker 1: everything he possibly has to do it. But having said,
Speaker 1: he never looks like there's someplace I'd rather be, Like
Speaker 1: some guys do, look when they're you know, when they
Speaker 1: could play themselves out of making cut, they can see
Speaker 1: it right on their face. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: Tigers the total opposite of that, and I think we
Speaker 1: can see that on his face today. And he's impassive.
Speaker 1: He's more impassive now than he really has ever been.
Speaker 1: Uh uh. There's less highs and lows in his emotional life,
Speaker 1: it seems. I wrote this yesterday on my story for
Speaker 1: the Collective website. Is just it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: that much joy in it for him right now. He's
Speaker 1: just he's just trying to get through it. And that's admirable.
Speaker 1: I mean, his grind and his grit is we all
Speaker 1: his legendary. But even when when makes a birdie, it's
Speaker 1: almost like, Okay, that's one more hole I got in
Speaker 1: the bank, Like, and I don't question him being here.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a golfer, he wants to play golf.
Speaker 1: He's building towards something, but it just seems like it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work, and uh, he's looking more for
Speaker 1: a relief than joy out there, and particularly playing with
Speaker 1: two guys who do play with a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of joy. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a stark contrast for watching from a far Jeff, what
Speaker 1: have you seen a Tiger? Yeah, I mean exactly what
Speaker 1: you guys are saying. I mean, it looks hard work.
Speaker 1: It looks like a battle of attrition. Um, poor guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he looks like he's strong, as
Speaker 1: hard as he ever has And as you said, there
Speaker 1: is sort of that I wouldn't say resignation on his face,
Speaker 1: but it's like this is really hard and it's just
Speaker 1: like one it's truly one shot at the time. He's
Speaker 1: just trying to get in the house. Um. And as
Speaker 1: you said, Michael, the the cut thing I always felt,
Speaker 1: I mean I was one tense of what Tiger was
Speaker 1: at making cuts, but I always felt like there's some
Speaker 1: level it's total failure. Missing a cut, especially in the major.
Speaker 1: I just it just burns you, and it just sucks.
Speaker 1: And you've been thinking, you've been working and grinding for
Speaker 1: this tournament for a long time and thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and there there are special ones, and going home on
Speaker 1: Friday night is just total failure. I always felt, and
Speaker 1: you know he feels the same way. UM, and a
Speaker 1: lot of guys do. Regardless of how you're playing and
Speaker 1: making the cut, even if you have a poor weekend,
Speaker 1: you're still played four rounds, you're still there on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It makes a bit of a difference mentally, and you
Speaker 1: feel like there's some level of success. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: when you play four rounds, Um. And he clearly he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of pride in how he plays and
Speaker 1: just wants to play well every single week. He's obviously
Speaker 1: very record conscious and he'd loves it. He loves sort
Speaker 1: of he'd love to look back and really see that
Speaker 1: he'd only missed a few cuts here and there in majors,
Speaker 1: and um, it's very important to him. So I mean,
Speaker 1: hopefully you can rally here at the end and sort
Speaker 1: of have a couple of didn't get in the house. Um,
Speaker 1: But you feel for him. It's like, Tiger, just take
Speaker 1: a rest and sit down, because it looks like it
Speaker 1: really hurts playing golf right now. And um, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to prove anything to anybody. Ah, but it's fun
Speaker 1: to watch him grind. It's just tough to watch him hurt.
Speaker 1: It looks like, yeah, um, what are you gonna say? Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna Jeff, if this is a reach, definitely
Speaker 1: tell me. But when you talk about like Watson used
Speaker 1: to says, I hate missing cuts. When I missed the cut,
Speaker 1: it grates on me, like it was really emotional. Not
Speaker 1: part of it was, and especially in that error in
Speaker 1: your error to you didn't make any money if you
Speaker 1: didn't make up. You came all this way, you rented
Speaker 1: the house, you got on the plane. You know now
Speaker 1: you're making nothing and you're going home. So just it's
Speaker 1: insulting to your finances to to come to a golf
Speaker 1: to nam and not not make the cut. With that mind,
Speaker 1: do you think it's part of this whole live golf thing,
Speaker 1: the fact that you're gonna make guaranteed money, It is
Speaker 1: contrary to the very thing we're talking about. Grind it out,
Speaker 1: make the cut, to make a check. Uh do you
Speaker 1: think that's gonna work in four live golf or do
Speaker 1: you think maybe nobody cares in this day and age. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool part. I think the
Speaker 1: cut and the fact that more than half go home
Speaker 1: every Friday night, and the drunk slamming and as I said,
Speaker 1: total failure when you don't play four rounds. I think
Speaker 1: that is a really interesting and great element of golf.
Speaker 1: I think Friday afternoon when you're when when you guys
Speaker 1: and the players and everybody's sitting on the computer and
Speaker 1: watching the scores come in and cut line watching when
Speaker 1: it's bumping up and down and stuff. I think that's
Speaker 1: a really cool part of golf. Um. That being said,
Speaker 1: I mean the w g CS and some great tournaments
Speaker 1: don't have cuts in their fight. I mean Cape Loua
Speaker 1: this year was pretty compelling tournament without a cut, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's a lot of golf. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting golf with or without cuts. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great part of it. I would it
Speaker 1: would be a massive speculation that I would have no
Speaker 1: idea that if if that would be any sort of
Speaker 1: thing that would help make or break two are like
Speaker 1: the live thing. Um, I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 1: a really really cool part of golf. And I think
Speaker 1: that sort of even though most guys now, especially at
Speaker 1: this point of sort of making money off the course
Speaker 1: enough plenty enough to pay for their house and their
Speaker 1: flights and stuff for the week, Um, there's still that
Speaker 1: sort of throwback, that feeling that, yeah, it's a complete
Speaker 1: waste and I've made no money this week if you
Speaker 1: missed the cut. And I think that's really cool in
Speaker 1: golf denated every week. I don't know, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a really cool thing. Is it a mic or
Speaker 1: break for tour? If I don't have him? Uh, couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you, to be honest, I don't know. But it's
Speaker 1: also you've got to talk about the numbers because if
Speaker 1: you make the cut and you finished last year at
Speaker 1: the p g A, you're gonna make what fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty k And if you finish last in the Saudi events,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make two or three hundred. So it's a
Speaker 1: totally different scale. It's important to whole team event. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just too old fashioned. I guess I can't. Actually,
Speaker 1: I kind of like the team idea, but really, truly,
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time getting my arms around it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing up on this. No, I agree. But
Speaker 1: if you're if you're saying, Okay, I'm gonna play all
Speaker 1: eight of the Saudi events, I'm gonna finish dead last
Speaker 1: in each of them. I'm still to make two million
Speaker 1: dollars no matter what. Like when you put it like that,
Speaker 1: that's that that's going to affect your thinking, you know.
Speaker 1: But anyway, like when Jeff was saying the other day,
Speaker 1: you know, part of the golfers a show off. Well,
Speaker 1: on the flip side, if you don't make the cut,
Speaker 1: then you've done the opposite of showing off, whatever that is.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a humiliation factor, I guess. And also
Speaker 1: the golfer tends to be a big planner, So like
Speaker 1: I'm planning to play golf this weekend. Now suddenly you
Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with it, like now what indeed,
Speaker 1: But there's also the element that you guys under you
Speaker 1: guys see it weekend a week out for years that
Speaker 1: there are so much stress level of guys trying to
Speaker 1: keep their jobs and stuff in this game and stress
Speaker 1: about the cuts and not making the cuts, and um,
Speaker 1: that might actually keep the level down on some respect. Um. Obviously,
Speaker 1: competitiveness sort of raises levels, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stress and there's a lot of sort of stuff that
Speaker 1: goes in players heads purely because they're not sure if
Speaker 1: they're going to keep their job next year. There'd be
Speaker 1: an element of this with no cuts and guaranteed sort
Speaker 1: of work this year and next year and the year
Speaker 1: after that, the level might go up in some respects,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think if you
Speaker 1: look at the NBA, it's not like the go who
Speaker 1: gets benched and doesn't play for a few weeks doesn't
Speaker 1: make any money, you know, I mean, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: stop trying any hardy. He wants to get out of
Speaker 1: the court, you know. So, Um, no one wants to
Speaker 1: finish field to forty eight. And that will feel annoying
Speaker 1: because you're going to get the asking. So I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it would, but I'm saying that
Speaker 1: there'd be an element that would free people up and
Speaker 1: it would just be sort of show boating. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've done this a lot of times, obviously, because
Speaker 1: I'm one of them, but if you get sort of
Speaker 1: four tour players to go off away from all the
Speaker 1: spotlights and just go and play a Nassau somewhere for
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars, you'd be blown away and how good
Speaker 1: The level is so high, it's unbelievable with all the
Speaker 1: stress off, you know, and all the pressure off. So
Speaker 1: there's a level that I think we sometimes see on tour,
Speaker 1: but you don't quite see it the same as that
Speaker 1: free loose If DJ and j T or something went
Speaker 1: out and played for a hundred dollars, I mean with
Speaker 1: nobody watching, I mean, you'd be blown away at how
Speaker 1: impressive that would be. So I think this you can
Speaker 1: argue both directions on that one, and I don't, and
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a time for both, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So I don't really know, um really, As I said,
Speaker 1: I think the stress and the pressure and that sort
Speaker 1: of trying to keep your job is sort of so
Speaker 1: fundamental to golf that I think it would be shame
Speaker 1: to lose that. But that being said, the other side
Speaker 1: of that, if you could create situations to get that
Speaker 1: sort of really loose, free, free swinging sort of talented
Speaker 1: players doing that, I think you'd see some pretty cool
Speaker 1: golf too, So I think there's both ends on that
Speaker 1: one too. It's true because even as goofy as uh,
Speaker 1: the Skins game was the old Thanksgiving thing. They were
Speaker 1: free and loose, they were playing with house money from
Speaker 1: the get go, and there was some great shot making
Speaker 1: in those events. And they said when Now I don't
Speaker 1: know this to be true, but when when when Tiger
Speaker 1: really was striking with his chip yips, they said he'd
Speaker 1: go home to metalists. He had no problem the ball beautifully,
Speaker 1: pitched the ball beautifully, But you don't get him the
Speaker 1: Phoenix open. He couldn't hit a chip shot. It's like
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem possible, but it's possible because we saw it.
Speaker 1: Remember that's by starts too. I mean, do we want
Speaker 1: to see entertainment. Do we want to see people play
Speaker 1: as good as they can and sort of show as
Speaker 1: I said, show off and be smiling and laughing and
Speaker 1: not stressed too much when they had a bad shot,
Speaker 1: or do we want to see the backs against the wall.
Speaker 1: I think there's a time for both, I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting and and that's why we love major championship golf.
Speaker 1: Like to your point about this golf course. You know,
Speaker 1: when we talked about Bryson playing Wingfoot, to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta start with that pin sheet here. From from
Speaker 1: what I've seen to this golf course, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can play some misses depending on where that pin is,
Speaker 1: but that but if you missed the wrong place with
Speaker 1: the pin over here, you've got nothing. And uh uh
Speaker 1: And that speaks to carry Higgs genius for setting up
Speaker 1: a golf course, but it really speaks to Southern Hills.
Speaker 1: I think that pin places matters so much about whether
Speaker 1: you can just sort of rip it and don't worry
Speaker 1: about it like Bryson was doing at Wingfoot that ye're um,
Speaker 1: or actually play a really calculated around the golf So uh,
Speaker 1: you can see this golf course requires a lot of
Speaker 1: intellectual ability, more intellectual ability and planning and chess than
Speaker 1: than just braun. For sure. Yeah, I love all that.
Speaker 1: Let's run through a few names on this leaderboard, just
Speaker 1: because because you have Jeff Ogilby and he's an expert
Speaker 1: in golf correct and also because I know nothing about
Speaker 1: Mito Pereira, So can you do you know anything about
Speaker 1: this guy, Jeff? At this exact moment is leading the
Speaker 1: PGA Championship with two holes to go. My son has
Speaker 1: a word for this, enlighten me, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably much more than you guys. I know
Speaker 1: we'd love him on the International Presidence Cap Tame this year. Um,
Speaker 1: playing really well. No, I don't know enough about him
Speaker 1: to speak too well about him to be honest. All right,
Speaker 1: well said, it's so good. Oh Justin Thomas. You know
Speaker 1: he hasn't won a major championship in five years, and
Speaker 1: I know that that bugs him. He sees himself as
Speaker 1: a kind of guy should be up there all the time. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you love about about his game?
Speaker 1: And what do you think my be holding him back
Speaker 1: just from winning these most coveted championships. Um, firstly, was
Speaker 1: not to love about his game. It's just he It's
Speaker 1: a great, his short games great, his party is great.
Speaker 1: He's got he's got that great sort of competitive sort
Speaker 1: of way about him. I don't know, if you get
Speaker 1: around him when he's in the mix, he's just into it.
Speaker 1: You know, he's as into it as anyone's um into it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got that sort of intensity when he plays.
Speaker 1: That's sort of very compelling, I think, um. And it
Speaker 1: was interesting at the twenty at the night of the
Speaker 1: President's cut back in Role Melbourne, I was carrying sandwiches
Speaker 1: for our boys and I was sort of sent out
Speaker 1: to go out in JTS group JT and Cam on
Speaker 1: the and the singles, and I had I knew he
Speaker 1: was good, and I was on tour obviously playing a
Speaker 1: lot when he came out, and he was a good
Speaker 1: young player. But he impressed me so much. I just
Speaker 1: was blown away about how good he was. He was
Speaker 1: just way better than I imagined. And I it was
Speaker 1: he looked like the best golfer in the world to
Speaker 1: me in two thousand and nineteen, and I've just been
Speaker 1: a massive fan ever since. And yeah, I think, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you said he hasn't won a major for five years,
Speaker 1: that that's that's kind of a compliment because he has
Speaker 1: won a major, you know what I mean, And he's
Speaker 1: still very young. Um, I don't think any hold him back.
Speaker 1: I think that holds him back is there's just a
Speaker 1: lot of good players now. I mean back in good
Speaker 1: days gone by, we would have had you know, Jack
Speaker 1: and Lee and Tom and a few guys to win
Speaker 1: and in the ninet is like Faldo, who's gonna win?
Speaker 1: Nick or greg or you know what I mean. Um,
Speaker 1: but now this forty guys that started every week, It's like,
Speaker 1: why doesn't this guy win more majors? Why doesn't this
Speaker 1: guy win more majors? And it's just so many of them.
Speaker 1: I just think that they're really hard tournaments to win.
Speaker 1: He's clearly gonna well, you imagine, it seems inevitable that
Speaker 1: he's going to win more than one. He fantastic he
Speaker 1: wins another p G A. I think it's really really
Speaker 1: cool when, um, a guy who's dad's been a member
Speaker 1: of the PGA for a long time, and he's a
Speaker 1: long time p g A member. I think there's there's
Speaker 1: a real sort of pride in that in the PGA
Speaker 1: and that organization. I think it's really really cool when
Speaker 1: a guy who sort of comes up as part of
Speaker 1: the family wins the p g A. UM. I think
Speaker 1: that would be really cool. But I don't think anything
Speaker 1: holds him back except for it's just really hard to
Speaker 1: win majors, and I think, um, it's inevitable that he
Speaker 1: wins more, and hopefully he wins a bunch because I
Speaker 1: thought I've sort of admire his game and I love
Speaker 1: the way he goes about it. So he's in good shape.
Speaker 1: He's probably playing the best in the field at the
Speaker 1: moment because he's leading the field from his side of
Speaker 1: the draw by three shots. And um, that side of
Speaker 1: the drawer seemed quite a lot harder than that the
Speaker 1: guys that are out there in the afternoon today. So um,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be fun to watch on the weekend.
Speaker 1: He's great when he plays. Well, what are your thoughts about? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, his swing is past. You know, I've
Speaker 1: wondered as he gets bigger. You know, he's so slender.
Speaker 1: He's strong, but he's slender. Uh. He's sort of sounded
Speaker 1: like like like like Jeff is uh uh. It's such
Speaker 1: a fast swing. And I don't I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: qualified to say what I'm about to say, But when
Speaker 1: you swing that fast day in and day out, I
Speaker 1: wonder if does your body want to swing that fast
Speaker 1: day in and day out. I guess that is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. Like Ernie, it seems to me
Speaker 1: that kind of swing or VJ swing or even Tiger,
Speaker 1: you know, earliness, earliness or even Tiger now it seems like, uh,
Speaker 1: you can get your take your time, getting yourself in
Speaker 1: a position and then figure it out on the way down.
Speaker 1: But he's so so those those those guys are all
Speaker 1: big dudes, and JT is this tall. So I mean
Speaker 1: there's something he's gonna keep up. He's gotta do something
Speaker 1: a little different. Right, Well, there's the downswing too. I
Speaker 1: guess I really don't know what I think. Fast. I
Speaker 1: mean fast swings have worked the right history. I mean
Speaker 1: Hogan did okay with a pretty fast swing. I mean
Speaker 1: Watson did okay with a pretty fast swing. I mean
Speaker 1: I I mean John ROMs done pretty were pretty fast swing. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's I can't even
Speaker 1: watch that it's so fast. I just I think it's
Speaker 1: that's a very personal thing. You know. Some people walk fast,
Speaker 1: some people walks, some people talk fast, some people talk
Speaker 1: So I think it's as long as you stay within
Speaker 1: your sort of bandwidth of sort of fire rhythms or
Speaker 1: pace or natural rhythms or something, I think it's okay.
Speaker 1: The thing about that I think that it's worth watching
Speaker 1: with golf swing rhythms and stuff is if they change
Speaker 1: under pressure. I think guys whose wings have variable tempos
Speaker 1: I think can look a little shaky, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but his seems to be pretty consistent. He does go
Speaker 1: at the ball very hard, but that's the modern way,
Speaker 1: that's what they do. So um, I think he's actually
Speaker 1: really good. I think he just that's his rhythm. And
Speaker 1: and now I think Alice points really good. Small guys
Speaker 1: generally swing it pretty fast, maybe because they need to.
Speaker 1: It just seems to be the way it is, or
Speaker 1: their arms are the shorter and everything shorter, so it
Speaker 1: looks like it gets there faster. You know. He's took
Speaker 1: forever to get to the ball right right, It's just
Speaker 1: that that's that short guy attitude maybe, But um what
Speaker 1: what let's talk about Roy for it, because he obviously
Speaker 1: played a beautiful round yesterday. He's he's struggling today. He
Speaker 1: hasn't show himself out of it by any means, but uh,
Speaker 1: he just hasn't been able to get it going today.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, Michael I talked about Rory last
Speaker 1: night in our Little Fire Drill Podcastle we just want
Speaker 1: to hear your voice about Jeff. You know, obviously in
Speaker 1: the last eight years he's one everything you can win
Speaker 1: in golf with the Player's Championship and Race, Dubai's and
Speaker 1: FedEx Cups and a dozen regular tour events. But of
Speaker 1: course these are the ones he wants the most. He
Speaker 1: can't quite get there. So what is your take on
Speaker 1: where Rory is at age thirty three and um, you
Speaker 1: know this week, this is how this test matches up
Speaker 1: with with his skill set? Well, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: his skill set works out pretty well everywhere. I would think.
Speaker 1: I mean, of all the players I've played with, most
Speaker 1: of the guys still up there, all the gray players
Speaker 1: at last have a long He's probably the most impressive
Speaker 1: guy when he's playing his best. Um, when you're out
Speaker 1: there with him, probably has as much respect from the
Speaker 1: from the driving range of the locker room as anybody
Speaker 1: else has for a really long time. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: just clearly just just total class every I mean, up
Speaker 1: and down. So I think, and again as I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stress living like number one in the world basically his
Speaker 1: whole career or right up there. It's a tough place
Speaker 1: to be. Um, and he puts a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on himself. I guess these are hard tournaments to win,
Speaker 1: these big majors. He sort of fast tracked his first few,
Speaker 1: you know, did it really sort of easy earlier bit
Speaker 1: like Jordan's like, you know what I mean, and then
Speaker 1: it's it's been tough for him. I guess in the
Speaker 1: big ones. I don't know. I mean, I love watching
Speaker 1: him play. I think he can play Southern Hills clearly
Speaker 1: really well. He's playing really aggressively. He seems to being
Speaker 1: a lot of drivers. If you're going to have a
Speaker 1: bad day in a golf tournament, I think day two
Speaker 1: is not the worst day to have it. I think
Speaker 1: it's great to get off to a good start. I
Speaker 1: think it's tough to win a tournament when you have
Speaker 1: a bad day on Saturday. You clearly don't win when
Speaker 1: you have a bad day on Sunday. I think if
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you want to have that loose day, um,
Speaker 1: you have it on you have it on Friday, And
Speaker 1: I think he'll go to sleep with sort of a
Speaker 1: point to prove tomorrow, you know. Whereas if you sort
Speaker 1: of carry the lead all week, we all know how
Speaker 1: hard that can be and it's stressful and wears you out.
Speaker 1: He sort of goes under the radar now a little
Speaker 1: bit after being sort of top of the leaderboard yesterday.
Speaker 1: Maybe he sleeps a little better comes out. He's always
Speaker 1: been amazing when he's behind. I mean, his final round
Speaker 1: scoring average and majors is I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but you guys would know it must be really low
Speaker 1: because he seems to go low on Sundays every single time. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he's in great shape. I I imagine it
Speaker 1: feels like he's going to win more majors and some
Speaker 1: more big tournaments because he's just too good not to like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just going to be almost hard not
Speaker 1: to win some as good as he is. So everybody
Speaker 1: loves Rory. I mean, I think everybody would love to
Speaker 1: see him to win another one. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess golf is hard, Like it's just hard to
Speaker 1: win all the time. You know, we got so spoiled
Speaker 1: with Tiger and with the best golfer in the world
Speaker 1: winning pretty much at will and whenever he wanted. It's
Speaker 1: like that's once or twice ever, you know, with that
Speaker 1: Jack and Tiger be that guy, you know, and Rory
Speaker 1: is of a bit more normal, So who knows, But
Speaker 1: I think he's in good shape this week. I think
Speaker 1: it's a good course for him. He seems to be
Speaker 1: sort of up and about. I think when he left
Speaker 1: Augusta this year, he would have been very very um
Speaker 1: jaunty and bouncy sort of walking out of the locker
Speaker 1: room there after Sunday very excited about his sort of
Speaker 1: future because of how sort how happy he would have been,
Speaker 1: and how exciting that finished was, and how sort of
Speaker 1: confidence building that would have been. So not surprising, the
Speaker 1: same sort of backing up play well in the next major,
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully for Rory fans that he can
Speaker 1: have a good weekend. That's great. Um, if there's any
Speaker 1: of their names that interests you, otherwise we could bring
Speaker 1: this podcast to a close. But you know, Bubba Watson
Speaker 1: is going crazy out there. He six under on the day.
Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick, who loves the stuff golf courses. Stuart Sink,
Speaker 1: who's you know, as old as I am, maybe older. Um,
Speaker 1: it's uh are you Stewart Sinks unbelievable? UM, I love
Speaker 1: that guy. But yeah, it's an eclectic leaderboard. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a fun weekend.
Speaker 1: So um, Jeff, thank you guys always for your time.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna try and get the band back
Speaker 1: together Sunday night when it's over and we can we
Speaker 1: can stop speculating and pontificating. If you can really talk
Speaker 1: about what actually happens, it will be a delight. But
Speaker 1: as always, we appreciate your insight. Michael, any any final words. Well,
Speaker 1: you said it all and you said it will all
Speaker 1: right for Michael Badger. Jeff Ogilvie, thanks as always for
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Speaker 1: forward to it. You didn't have to make it weird, Michael.
Speaker 1: You don't have to make it weird. Is that weird, Jeff?
Speaker 1: Not for me? It was it weird for you? I
Speaker 1: liked it all right. On that note, let's let the
Speaker 1: listeners go. Uh. But anyway, this was fun. We'll do
Speaker 1: it again. That's all. From Southern Hills Golf Club, country club,
Speaker 1: big time country. We saw the pool, it was amazing,
Speaker 1: the courts, the bowling, the billiards. Very much a country club, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I I got. I made one interesting observation occurd to
Speaker 1: Strange the other day we were talking about like who
Speaker 1: gets good at golf, and like, what are the chances
Speaker 1: of me saying anything to Occurtis Strange that he hasn't heard.
Speaker 1: So I said to Curtis, you know, you give me
Speaker 1: someone who's good at billiards to can make free throws,
Speaker 1: and you can make that guy good at golf. And
Speaker 1: Curtis says, yeah, that's actually true. I hand coordination at right.
Speaker 1: What's your what's your best sport? Like that shows I
Speaker 1: hand coordinate. Are you good at darts? Are you good
Speaker 1: at free throws? Billiards? Basketball terrible? I hit the ball Tennis.
Speaker 1: I can hit the ball pretty well. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know basketball hype. Plus I've applied. I was a bit
Speaker 1: more of a runner. But that's not hand oockbnation, is it.
Speaker 1: That's hill Polo was always good after like two beers
Speaker 1: and then really bad after that. Pretty normal. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is normal. So we can tell that Michael's enjoying his
Speaker 1: new role as a prolific podcaster. He'll never let us
Speaker 1: end the podcast. It just keeps going. I've already said
Speaker 1: I've already ended this podcast like three times. I'm sorry. No,
Speaker 1: I think people are enjoying you better. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's a rap. We'll do it against Sunday. Thank you.
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