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Speaker 1: Duck back for another Fire Drill podcast. I've joined on

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Speaker 1: my left by Michael Bamberger. Most importantly, we have on

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Speaker 1: can see that on his face today. And he's impassive.

429
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: He's more impassive now than he really has ever been.

430
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 1: Uh uh. There's less highs and lows in his emotional life,

431
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: it seems. I wrote this yesterday on my story for

432
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 1: the Collective website. Is just it doesn't seem to be

433
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 1: that much joy in it for him right now. He's

434
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: just he's just trying to get through it. And that's admirable.

435
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, his grind and his grit is we all

436
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: his legendary. But even when when makes a birdie, it's

437
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: almost like, Okay, that's one more hole I got in

438
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 1: the bank, Like, and I don't question him being here.

439
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, he's a golfer, he wants to play golf.

440
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 1: He's building towards something, but it just seems like it's

441
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot of work, and uh, he's looking more for

442
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: a relief than joy out there, and particularly playing with

443
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: two guys who do play with a lot of a

444
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: lot of joy. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's kind of

445
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 1: a stark contrast for watching from a far Jeff, what

446
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: have you seen a Tiger? Yeah, I mean exactly what

447
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 1: you guys are saying. I mean, it looks hard work.

448
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: It looks like a battle of attrition. Um, poor guy.

449
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he looks like he's strong, as

450
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 1: hard as he ever has And as you said, there

451
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 1: is sort of that I wouldn't say resignation on his face,

452
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: but it's like this is really hard and it's just

453
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 1: like one it's truly one shot at the time. He's

454
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: just trying to get in the house. Um. And as

455
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: you said, Michael, the the cut thing I always felt,

456
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean I was one tense of what Tiger was

457
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: at making cuts, but I always felt like there's some

458
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: level it's total failure. Missing a cut, especially in the major.

459
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: I just it just burns you, and it just sucks.

460
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: And you've been thinking, you've been working and grinding for

461
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 1: this tournament for a long time and thinking about it,

462
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: and there there are special ones, and going home on

463
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: Friday night is just total failure. I always felt, and

464
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: you know he feels the same way. UM, and a

465
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of guys do. Regardless of how you're playing and

466
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: making the cut, even if you have a poor weekend,

467
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: you're still played four rounds, you're still there on Sunday.

468
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: It makes a bit of a difference mentally, and you

469
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: feel like there's some level of success. I think sometimes

470
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: when you play four rounds, Um. And he clearly he's

471
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: got a lot of pride in how he plays and

472
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: just wants to play well every single week. He's obviously

473
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: very record conscious and he'd loves it. He loves sort

474
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: of he'd love to look back and really see that

475
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: he'd only missed a few cuts here and there in majors,

476
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: and um, it's very important to him. So I mean,

477
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: hopefully you can rally here at the end and sort

478
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: of have a couple of didn't get in the house. Um,

479
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: But you feel for him. It's like, Tiger, just take

480
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: a rest and sit down, because it looks like it

481
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: really hurts playing golf right now. And um, he doesn't

482
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: need to prove anything to anybody. Ah, but it's fun

483
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: to watch him grind. It's just tough to watch him hurt.

484
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: It looks like, yeah, um, what are you gonna say? Well,

485
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna Jeff, if this is a reach, definitely

486
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: tell me. But when you talk about like Watson used

487
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: to says, I hate missing cuts. When I missed the cut,

488
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: it grates on me, like it was really emotional. Not

489
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: part of it was, and especially in that error in

490
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: your error to you didn't make any money if you

491
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: didn't make up. You came all this way, you rented

492
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: the house, you got on the plane. You know now

493
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: you're making nothing and you're going home. So just it's

494
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: insulting to your finances to to come to a golf

495
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: to nam and not not make the cut. With that mind,

496
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: do you think it's part of this whole live golf thing,

497
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you're gonna make guaranteed money, It is

498
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: contrary to the very thing we're talking about. Grind it out,

499
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: make the cut, to make a check. Uh do you

500
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: think that's gonna work in four live golf or do

501
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: you think maybe nobody cares in this day and age. Um,

502
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool part. I think the

503
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: cut and the fact that more than half go home

504
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: every Friday night, and the drunk slamming and as I said,

505
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: total failure when you don't play four rounds. I think

506
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: that is a really interesting and great element of golf.

507
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: I think Friday afternoon when you're when when you guys

508
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: and the players and everybody's sitting on the computer and

509
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: watching the scores come in and cut line watching when

510
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: it's bumping up and down and stuff. I think that's

511
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: a really cool part of golf. Um. That being said,

512
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean the w g CS and some great tournaments

513
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: don't have cuts in their fight. I mean Cape Loua

514
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: this year was pretty compelling tournament without a cut, you know.

515
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's a lot of golf. Um, there's

516
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting golf with or without cuts. I

517
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: think it's a great part of it. I would it

518
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: would be a massive speculation that I would have no

519
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: idea that if if that would be any sort of

520
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: thing that would help make or break two are like

521
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: the live thing. Um, I don't know. I think it's

522
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: a really really cool part of golf. And I think

523
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 1: that sort of even though most guys now, especially at

524
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: this point of sort of making money off the course

525
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: enough plenty enough to pay for their house and their

526
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: flights and stuff for the week, Um, there's still that

527
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: sort of throwback, that feeling that, yeah, it's a complete

528
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: waste and I've made no money this week if you

529
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: missed the cut. And I think that's really cool in

530
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: golf denated every week. I don't know, but I think

531
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: it's a really cool thing. Is it a mic or

532
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: break for tour? If I don't have him? Uh, couldn't

533
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: tell you, to be honest, I don't know. But it's

534
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: also you've got to talk about the numbers because if

535
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: you make the cut and you finished last year at

536
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: the p g A, you're gonna make what fifteen or

537
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: twenty k And if you finish last in the Saudi events,

538
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna make two or three hundred. So it's a

539
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: totally different scale. It's important to whole team event. I

540
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just too old fashioned. I guess I can't. Actually,

541
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: I kind of like the team idea, but really, truly,

542
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time getting my arms around it. Yeah, no,

543
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing up on this. No, I agree. But

544
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: if you're if you're saying, Okay, I'm gonna play all

545
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: eight of the Saudi events, I'm gonna finish dead last

546
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: in each of them. I'm still to make two million

547
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: dollars no matter what. Like when you put it like that,

548
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: that's that that's going to affect your thinking, you know.

549
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: But anyway, like when Jeff was saying the other day,

550
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: you know, part of the golfers a show off. Well,

551
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: on the flip side, if you don't make the cut,

552
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: then you've done the opposite of showing off, whatever that is.

553
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, there's a humiliation factor, I guess. And also

554
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: the golfer tends to be a big planner, So like

555
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm planning to play golf this weekend. Now suddenly you

556
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with it, like now what indeed,

557
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: But there's also the element that you guys under you

558
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: guys see it weekend a week out for years that

559
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: there are so much stress level of guys trying to

560
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: keep their jobs and stuff in this game and stress

561
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: about the cuts and not making the cuts, and um,

562
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: that might actually keep the level down on some respect. Um. Obviously,

563
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: competitiveness sort of raises levels, but there's a lot of

564
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: stress and there's a lot of sort of stuff that

565
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: goes in players heads purely because they're not sure if

566
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: they're going to keep their job next year. There'd be

567
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: an element of this with no cuts and guaranteed sort

568
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: of work this year and next year and the year

569
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: after that, the level might go up in some respects,

570
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think if you

571
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: look at the NBA, it's not like the go who

572
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: gets benched and doesn't play for a few weeks doesn't

573
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: make any money, you know, I mean, but he doesn't

574
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: stop trying any hardy. He wants to get out of

575
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: the court, you know. So, Um, no one wants to

576
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: finish field to forty eight. And that will feel annoying

577
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: because you're going to get the asking. So I'm not

578
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it would, but I'm saying that

579
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: there'd be an element that would free people up and

580
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: it would just be sort of show boating. I mean,

581
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: if you've done this a lot of times, obviously, because

582
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm one of them, but if you get sort of

583
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: four tour players to go off away from all the

584
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: spotlights and just go and play a Nassau somewhere for

585
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars, you'd be blown away and how good

586
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: The level is so high, it's unbelievable with all the

587
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: stress off, you know, and all the pressure off. So

588
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: there's a level that I think we sometimes see on tour,

589
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: but you don't quite see it the same as that

590
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: free loose If DJ and j T or something went

591
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: out and played for a hundred dollars, I mean with

592
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: nobody watching, I mean, you'd be blown away at how

593
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: impressive that would be. So I think this you can

594
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: argue both directions on that one, and I don't, and

595
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a time for both, to be honest.

596
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: So I don't really know, um really, As I said,

597
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: I think the stress and the pressure and that sort

598
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: of trying to keep your job is sort of so

599
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: fundamental to golf that I think it would be shame

600
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: to lose that. But that being said, the other side

601
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: of that, if you could create situations to get that

602
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: sort of really loose, free, free swinging sort of talented

603
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: players doing that, I think you'd see some pretty cool

604
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: golf too, So I think there's both ends on that

605
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: one too. It's true because even as goofy as uh,

606
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: the Skins game was the old Thanksgiving thing. They were

607
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: free and loose, they were playing with house money from

608
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: the get go, and there was some great shot making

609
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: in those events. And they said when Now I don't

610
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: know this to be true, but when when when Tiger

611
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: really was striking with his chip yips, they said he'd

612
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: go home to metalists. He had no problem the ball beautifully,

613
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: pitched the ball beautifully, But you don't get him the

614
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Phoenix open. He couldn't hit a chip shot. It's like

615
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem possible, but it's possible because we saw it.

616
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Remember that's by starts too. I mean, do we want

617
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: to see entertainment. Do we want to see people play

618
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: as good as they can and sort of show as

619
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: I said, show off and be smiling and laughing and

620
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: not stressed too much when they had a bad shot,

621
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: or do we want to see the backs against the wall.

622
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a time for both, I really do. Yeah,

623
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: that's interesting and and that's why we love major championship golf.

624
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Like to your point about this golf course. You know,

625
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: when we talked about Bryson playing Wingfoot, to me, it's like,

626
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: you gotta start with that pin sheet here. From from

627
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: what I've seen to this golf course, it's like, yeah,

628
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: you can play some misses depending on where that pin is,

629
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: but that but if you missed the wrong place with

630
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: the pin over here, you've got nothing. And uh uh

631
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: And that speaks to carry Higgs genius for setting up

632
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: a golf course, but it really speaks to Southern Hills.

633
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that pin places matters so much about whether

634
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: you can just sort of rip it and don't worry

635
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: about it like Bryson was doing at Wingfoot that ye're um,

636
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: or actually play a really calculated around the golf So uh,

637
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: you can see this golf course requires a lot of

638
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: intellectual ability, more intellectual ability and planning and chess than

639
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: than just braun. For sure. Yeah, I love all that.

640
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Let's run through a few names on this leaderboard, just

641
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: because because you have Jeff Ogilby and he's an expert

642
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: in golf correct and also because I know nothing about

643
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Mito Pereira, So can you do you know anything about

644
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: this guy, Jeff? At this exact moment is leading the

645
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: PGA Championship with two holes to go. My son has

646
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: a word for this, enlighten me, to be honest, I

647
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: don't know, probably much more than you guys. I know

648
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: we'd love him on the International Presidence Cap Tame this year. Um,

649
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: playing really well. No, I don't know enough about him

650
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: to speak too well about him to be honest. All right,

651
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: well said, it's so good. Oh Justin Thomas. You know

652
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: he hasn't won a major championship in five years, and

653
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: I know that that bugs him. He sees himself as

654
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: a kind of guy should be up there all the time. Um,

655
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: what do you what do you love about about his game?

656
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: And what do you think my be holding him back

657
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: just from winning these most coveted championships. Um, firstly, was

658
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: not to love about his game. It's just he It's

659
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: a great, his short games great, his party is great.

660
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: He's got he's got that great sort of competitive sort

661
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: of way about him. I don't know, if you get

662
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: around him when he's in the mix, he's just into it.

663
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, he's as into it as anyone's um into it.

664
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got that sort of intensity when he plays.

665
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: That's sort of very compelling, I think, um. And it

666
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: was interesting at the twenty at the night of the

667
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: President's cut back in Role Melbourne, I was carrying sandwiches

668
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: for our boys and I was sort of sent out

669
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: to go out in JTS group JT and Cam on

670
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the and the singles, and I had I knew he

671
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: was good, and I was on tour obviously playing a

672
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: lot when he came out, and he was a good

673
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: young player. But he impressed me so much. I just

674
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: was blown away about how good he was. He was

675
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: just way better than I imagined. And I it was

676
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: he looked like the best golfer in the world to

677
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: me in two thousand and nineteen, and I've just been

678
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: a massive fan ever since. And yeah, I think, um, yeah,

679
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: you said he hasn't won a major for five years,

680
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: that that's that's kind of a compliment because he has

681
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: won a major, you know what I mean, And he's

682
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: still very young. Um, I don't think any hold him back.

683
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: I think that holds him back is there's just a

684
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: lot of good players now. I mean back in good

685
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: days gone by, we would have had you know, Jack

686
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: and Lee and Tom and a few guys to win

687
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: and in the ninet is like Faldo, who's gonna win?

688
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: Nick or greg or you know what I mean. Um,

689
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: but now this forty guys that started every week, It's like,

690
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: why doesn't this guy win more majors? Why doesn't this

691
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: guy win more majors? And it's just so many of them.

692
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: I just think that they're really hard tournaments to win.

693
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: He's clearly gonna well, you imagine, it seems inevitable that

694
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: he's going to win more than one. He fantastic he

695
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: wins another p G A. I think it's really really

696
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: cool when, um, a guy who's dad's been a member

697
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: of the PGA for a long time, and he's a

698
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: long time p g A member. I think there's there's

699
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: a real sort of pride in that in the PGA

700
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: and that organization. I think it's really really cool when

701
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: a guy who sort of comes up as part of

702
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the family wins the p g A. UM. I think

703
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: that would be really cool. But I don't think anything

704
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: holds him back except for it's just really hard to

705
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: win majors, and I think, um, it's inevitable that he

706
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: wins more, and hopefully he wins a bunch because I

707
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: thought I've sort of admire his game and I love

708
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: the way he goes about it. So he's in good shape.

709
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: He's probably playing the best in the field at the

710
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: moment because he's leading the field from his side of

711
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: the draw by three shots. And um, that side of

712
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: the drawer seemed quite a lot harder than that the

713
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: guys that are out there in the afternoon today. So um,

714
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be fun to watch on the weekend.

715
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: He's great when he plays. Well, what are your thoughts about? Well,

716
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, uh, his swing is past. You know, I've

717
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: wondered as he gets bigger. You know, he's so slender.

718
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: He's strong, but he's slender. Uh. He's sort of sounded

719
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: like like like like Jeff is uh uh. It's such

720
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: a fast swing. And I don't I mean, I'm not

721
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: qualified to say what I'm about to say, But when

722
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: you swing that fast day in and day out, I

723
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: wonder if does your body want to swing that fast

724
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: day in and day out. I guess that is what

725
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. Like Ernie, it seems to me

726
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that kind of swing or VJ swing or even Tiger,

727
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, earliness, earliness or even Tiger now it seems like, uh,

728
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: you can get your take your time, getting yourself in

729
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: a position and then figure it out on the way down.

730
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: But he's so so those those those guys are all

731
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: big dudes, and JT is this tall. So I mean

732
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: there's something he's gonna keep up. He's gotta do something

733
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: a little different. Right, Well, there's the downswing too. I

734
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: guess I really don't know what I think. Fast. I

735
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: mean fast swings have worked the right history. I mean

736
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Hogan did okay with a pretty fast swing. I mean

737
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: Watson did okay with a pretty fast swing. I mean

738
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I I mean John ROMs done pretty were pretty fast swing. Like,

739
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's I can't even

740
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: watch that it's so fast. I just I think it's

741
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: that's a very personal thing. You know. Some people walk fast,

742
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: some people walks, some people talk fast, some people talk

743
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: So I think it's as long as you stay within

744
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: your sort of bandwidth of sort of fire rhythms or

745
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: pace or natural rhythms or something, I think it's okay.

746
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: The thing about that I think that it's worth watching

747
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: with golf swing rhythms and stuff is if they change

748
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: under pressure. I think guys whose wings have variable tempos

749
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: I think can look a little shaky, you know. Um,

750
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: but his seems to be pretty consistent. He does go

751
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: at the ball very hard, but that's the modern way,

752
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: that's what they do. So um, I think he's actually

753
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: really good. I think he just that's his rhythm. And

754
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: and now I think Alice points really good. Small guys

755
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: generally swing it pretty fast, maybe because they need to.

756
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: It just seems to be the way it is, or

757
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: their arms are the shorter and everything shorter, so it

758
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: looks like it gets there faster. You know. He's took

759
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: forever to get to the ball right right, It's just

760
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: that that's that short guy attitude maybe, But um what

761
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: what let's talk about Roy for it, because he obviously

762
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: played a beautiful round yesterday. He's he's struggling today. He

763
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: hasn't show himself out of it by any means, but uh,

764
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: he just hasn't been able to get it going today.

765
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: And um, you know, Michael I talked about Rory last

766
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: night in our Little Fire Drill Podcastle we just want

767
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: to hear your voice about Jeff. You know, obviously in

768
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: the last eight years he's one everything you can win

769
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: in golf with the Player's Championship and Race, Dubai's and

770
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: FedEx Cups and a dozen regular tour events. But of

771
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: course these are the ones he wants the most. He

772
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: can't quite get there. So what is your take on

773
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: where Rory is at age thirty three and um, you

774
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: know this week, this is how this test matches up

775
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: with with his skill set? Well, I mean, I think

776
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 1: his skill set works out pretty well everywhere. I would think.

777
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, of all the players I've played with, most

778
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: of the guys still up there, all the gray players

779
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: at last have a long He's probably the most impressive

780
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: guy when he's playing his best. Um, when you're out

781
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: there with him, probably has as much respect from the

782
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: from the driving range of the locker room as anybody

783
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: else has for a really long time. I mean, he's

784
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: just clearly just just total class every I mean, up

785
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: and down. So I think, and again as I said,

786
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough. I mean, there's a lot of

787
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: stress living like number one in the world basically his

788
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: whole career or right up there. It's a tough place

789
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: to be. Um, and he puts a lot of pressure

790
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: on himself. I guess these are hard tournaments to win,

791
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: these big majors. He sort of fast tracked his first few,

792
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: you know, did it really sort of easy earlier bit

793
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: like Jordan's like, you know what I mean, and then

794
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: it's it's been tough for him. I guess in the

795
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: big ones. I don't know. I mean, I love watching

796
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: him play. I think he can play Southern Hills clearly

797
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: really well. He's playing really aggressively. He seems to being

798
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: a lot of drivers. If you're going to have a

799
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: bad day in a golf tournament, I think day two

800
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: is not the worst day to have it. I think

801
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: it's great to get off to a good start. I

802
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: think it's tough to win a tournament when you have

803
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: a bad day on Saturday. You clearly don't win when

804
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: you have a bad day on Sunday. I think if

805
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you want to have that loose day, um,

806
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: you have it on you have it on Friday, And

807
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: I think he'll go to sleep with sort of a

808
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: point to prove tomorrow, you know. Whereas if you sort

809
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: of carry the lead all week, we all know how

810
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: hard that can be and it's stressful and wears you out.

811
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: He sort of goes under the radar now a little

812
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: bit after being sort of top of the leaderboard yesterday.

813
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: Maybe he sleeps a little better comes out. He's always

814
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: been amazing when he's behind. I mean, his final round

815
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: scoring average and majors is I don't know what it is,

816
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: but you guys would know it must be really low

817
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: because he seems to go low on Sundays every single time. Um,

818
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I think he's in great shape. I I imagine it

819
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: feels like he's going to win more majors and some

820
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: more big tournaments because he's just too good not to like,

821
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: it's just it's just going to be almost hard not

822
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: to win some as good as he is. So everybody

823
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: loves Rory. I mean, I think everybody would love to

824
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: see him to win another one. I don't know. I mean,

825
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I guess golf is hard, Like it's just hard to

826
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: win all the time. You know, we got so spoiled

827
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: with Tiger and with the best golfer in the world

828
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: winning pretty much at will and whenever he wanted. It's

829
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: like that's once or twice ever, you know, with that

830
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Jack and Tiger be that guy, you know, and Rory

831
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: is of a bit more normal, So who knows, But

832
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: I think he's in good shape this week. I think

833
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: it's a good course for him. He seems to be

834
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: sort of up and about. I think when he left

835
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: Augusta this year, he would have been very very um

836
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: jaunty and bouncy sort of walking out of the locker

837
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: room there after Sunday very excited about his sort of

838
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: future because of how sort how happy he would have been,

839
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: and how exciting that finished was, and how sort of

840
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: confidence building that would have been. So not surprising, the

841
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: same sort of backing up play well in the next major,

842
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully for Rory fans that he can

843
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: have a good weekend. That's great. Um, if there's any

844
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: of their names that interests you, otherwise we could bring

845
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: this podcast to a close. But you know, Bubba Watson

846
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: is going crazy out there. He six under on the day.

847
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick, who loves the stuff golf courses. Stuart Sink,

848
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: who's you know, as old as I am, maybe older. Um,

849
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: it's uh are you Stewart Sinks unbelievable? UM, I love

850
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: that guy. But yeah, it's an eclectic leaderboard. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a fun weekend.

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Speaker 1: So um, Jeff, thank you guys always for your time.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna try and get the band back

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Speaker 1: together Sunday night when it's over and we can we

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Speaker 1: can stop speculating and pontificating. If you can really talk

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Speaker 1: about what actually happens, it will be a delight. But

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Speaker 1: as always, we appreciate your insight. Michael, any any final words. Well,

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Speaker 1: you said it all and you said it will all

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Speaker 1: right for Michael Badger. Jeff Ogilvie, thanks as always for

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Speaker 1: listening to this Fire Drill podcast. Oh wait, Part Points,

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Speaker 1: I gotta thank our carpet sponsors. Part Points are great friends.

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Speaker 1: At Part Points the coolest golf I've ever invented. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about all week. We love power Points. I

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Speaker 1: would really encourage you guys to Jeff, have you met

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Speaker 1: these power Points guys? Kevin and Brandon's not. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: These guys travel well. First, they're members of Prairie Dunes.

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Speaker 1: The one guy is really good and the other guy's

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Speaker 1: nearly as good. And they're very chill. Sounds good, look

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Speaker 1: forward to it. You didn't have to make it weird, Michael.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to make it weird. Is that weird, Jeff?

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Speaker 1: Not for me? It was it weird for you? I

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Speaker 1: liked it all right. On that note, let's let the

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Speaker 1: listeners go. Uh. But anyway, this was fun. We'll do

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Speaker 1: it again. That's all. From Southern Hills Golf Club, country club,

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Speaker 1: big time country. We saw the pool, it was amazing,

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Speaker 1: the courts, the bowling, the billiards. Very much a country club, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I I got. I made one interesting observation occurd to

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Speaker 1: Strange the other day we were talking about like who

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Speaker 1: gets good at golf, and like, what are the chances

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Speaker 1: of me saying anything to Occurtis Strange that he hasn't heard.

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Speaker 1: So I said to Curtis, you know, you give me

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Speaker 1: someone who's good at billiards to can make free throws,

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Speaker 1: and you can make that guy good at golf. And

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Speaker 1: Curtis says, yeah, that's actually true. I hand coordination at right.

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Speaker 1: What's your what's your best sport? Like that shows I

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Speaker 1: hand coordinate. Are you good at darts? Are you good

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Speaker 1: at free throws? Billiards? Basketball terrible? I hit the ball Tennis.

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Speaker 1: I can hit the ball pretty well. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know basketball hype. Plus I've applied. I was a bit

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Speaker 1: more of a runner. But that's not hand oockbnation, is it.

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Speaker 1: That's hill Polo was always good after like two beers

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Speaker 1: and then really bad after that. Pretty normal. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is normal. So we can tell that Michael's enjoying his

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Speaker 1: new role as a prolific podcaster. He'll never let us

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Speaker 1: end the podcast. It just keeps going. I've already said

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Speaker 1: I've already ended this podcast like three times. I'm sorry. No,

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Speaker 1: I think people are enjoying you better. Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: It's a rap. We'll do it against Sunday. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Jeff h put another log on the fire and we

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Speaker 1: hear is get the Time.