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Speaker 7: It is Monday, November twenty seventh, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 7: Episode number seventy seven. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 7: at the Star and today we get to talk about
Speaker 7: the Cowboys win on Thanksgiving Day versus the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 7: They win forty five to ten, a blowout, huge game
Speaker 7: from the standpoint of just looking at the Cowboys adding
Speaker 7: another win and trying to keep pace on the possibilities
Speaker 7: that maybe they can pull closer to the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 7: before that matchup a couple of weeks from now. But
Speaker 7: we'll talk about what happened in this game. We'll also
Speaker 7: have a little bit of talk on some stuff that's
Speaker 7: happening around the NFC and a little update on Shaq Leonard.
Speaker 3: Cowboys seem to have a little interest there. So we'll
Speaker 3: catch up figure out what we're hearing about. You guys
Speaker 3: in the building, now, we got to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Get it done.
Speaker 8: You guys in the building, you had to figure it out.
Speaker 8: Did the rest of us outside the building can't help you?
Speaker 9: The building? Here we go out? Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 7: Let's talk about this game. Let's start first going around
Speaker 7: on the table. Let's get some storylines of the game.
Speaker 7: Let's talk with you Patrick, what was your storyline of
Speaker 7: this game?
Speaker 10: I think for me, one of the biggest storylines is
Speaker 10: just how prolific Dak Prescott continues to look. I mean,
Speaker 10: there is a lot of good to take away from
Speaker 10: this game, but if you look at it from the
Speaker 10: aspect of he didn't play a perfect game and still
Speaker 10: had four touchdowns and over three hundred yards. I mean
Speaker 10: if he example, if he connects with Ceede Lamb on
Speaker 10: that deep route down the middle early in the game,
Speaker 10: that's one example of a throw that he definitely wants back.
Speaker 10: I mean, this might be a five plus touchdown game
Speaker 10: four hundred yards. So it just goes to show that
Speaker 10: the Cowboys, you know, can continue if they can continue
Speaker 10: to be resilient and when things don't go their way,
Speaker 10: particularly on offense, if they can just you know, stick
Speaker 10: with what's working for them, then they can absolutely continue
Speaker 10: to be dominant. The play calling for Michael McCarthy, I
Speaker 10: was just in love with it, the way he tortured
Speaker 10: some of those mixed coverages, some of the zone looks
Speaker 10: that he was getting. You know, talk about that touchdown
Speaker 10: down the scene to Cavante Turpin. It put the defensive
Speaker 10: back in another bind, something that we've seen happening here recently.
Speaker 10: Ferguson Schoolmaker touchdown. That was another example making the defensive
Speaker 10: back half to choose, knowing that whichever one he chooses, it's.
Speaker 2: A touchdown either way.
Speaker 10: So as long as the protection continues to hold up
Speaker 10: and they continue to be resilient and the play calling
Speaker 10: continues to be what it is along with execution, I
Speaker 10: love with this offense.
Speaker 4: Be.
Speaker 9: Offensive, creativity.
Speaker 8: I mean Patrick talks about it, but if you look
Speaker 8: at what they were able to do, they're continually finding
Speaker 8: ways to manipulate the defenses the past, to Ferguson, empty
Speaker 8: set three wide receivers, you line up on the right side,
Speaker 8: you know, as Ferguson's going vertically. Then you know, turping
Speaker 8: goes out and now you're moving people. The flip play
Speaker 8: to Pollard on third and six, you know, in order
Speaker 8: to get the ball to the edge, and how you
Speaker 8: bring guys in motion to get the blocker out in front.
Speaker 8: The doubtle screen was a really creative play call at
Speaker 8: the time. Kick lead peel Boem, it's a touchdown right
Speaker 8: there with your blockers, you know, and then he mentioned
Speaker 8: the turpin touchdown. You know, it's when you put people
Speaker 8: in a situation where you run, you know, you get
Speaker 8: trips formation three to one side, run two to the out,
Speaker 8: and they all they all vacate, and now you have
Speaker 8: a speech. And the commanders did something. They gambled on
Speaker 8: the play. They tried to run. They took their safety
Speaker 8: curl and put him as a linebacker like he was
Speaker 8: gonna blitz, and then they tried to drop him in coverage.
Speaker 8: And Dak saw it all the way. He's like, listen,
Speaker 8: if you're gonna play too deep and put that guy
Speaker 8: on my slot player and make it like you're trying
Speaker 8: to disguise it, I'm gonna make you pay for it.
Speaker 9: And that's what they did.
Speaker 8: You're starting to see a lot more creativity with this
Speaker 8: offense when it comes to how they manipulate the play
Speaker 8: in order to allow their receivers and their backs to
Speaker 8: have success.
Speaker 11: To me, three things that kind of stood out were
Speaker 11: one consistency that now and we've been talking about this
Speaker 11: every week now, that is just becoming something that is
Speaker 11: more consistent of this offense where you can see trends
Speaker 11: of them doing it. You talk about you mentioned Dak
Speaker 11: him being that quarterback consistently showing up from since that
Speaker 11: game against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 12: Everything took turn there.
Speaker 11: Then the running game, that's something we've been talking about
Speaker 11: on the show as well and something I've had my
Speaker 11: eyes on. And Tony Poller he ended up de night
Speaker 11: with seventy nine yards, which is still it's pretty good.
Speaker 11: And then you add a sprinkle of Rincodal there he
Speaker 11: only had like eleven yards, not much, but still the incorporation, yeah,
Speaker 11: having them Dak just a running game as a whole.
Speaker 11: And then also the ability of seeing of them utilizing
Speaker 11: multiple weapons. Now you're not solely relying on one on
Speaker 11: City Lamb. Let's say you're not soly relying on City
Speaker 11: Lamb or let's say a Brandon Cooks. Now you're seeing
Speaker 11: them consistently using multiple weapons with the help of a
Speaker 11: little bit of the running game added on top of
Speaker 11: their Yeah, he hit.
Speaker 7: So many different weapons in that game, and it kind of,
Speaker 7: to me is just one of those things where I
Speaker 7: just love the fact that, especially like the Turpid play
Speaker 7: was the one that kind of showed me if you're
Speaker 7: going to it, and you have to if you're an
Speaker 7: opposing team, you have to pay attention to those guys
Speaker 7: that are on the perimeter. You got to pay attention
Speaker 7: to CD, gotta pay attention to Cooks. He's getting going,
Speaker 7: got to pay attention to the tight end. If your
Speaker 7: fourth cornerback or third cornerback or whatever is gonna have
Speaker 7: to try to try to deal with with Turpin.
Speaker 9: Yah, good luck with that, right.
Speaker 7: There's not a lot of teams that have had that
Speaker 7: level of depth, and that's where this offense can really go.
Speaker 7: They got a ton of offensive weapons and now they're
Speaker 7: using all.
Speaker 8: Of the Turpin ran basically a forty yard dash on that play, yep,
Speaker 8: you know. And the way the way that he was
Speaker 8: able to and and give Dak a lot of credit
Speaker 8: because he saw it was too deep and he knows
Speaker 8: if he's sending Turpin through the middle of that defense,
Speaker 8: you know, the commander's trying to cover it.
Speaker 9: Kind of a funny.
Speaker 8: Way there, but you know, that's that's what you do.
Speaker 8: You put pressure on these teams to have to deal
Speaker 8: with you in that way. And and and Ambar's right,
Speaker 8: it's just not CD. It's it's you know, you got
Speaker 8: I think it's a second straight game where cooks led
Speaker 8: the uh, the the group in reception, in yard and
Speaker 8: stuff like that. So you know, good for the good
Speaker 8: for them to continue to get things. I think that
Speaker 8: this was a game too that Pollard, We're starting to
Speaker 8: see it where maybe things are coming back to him.
Speaker 8: You know, we all like the next gen stuff, those
Speaker 8: fifteen plus mile an hour runs and stuff. He had
Speaker 8: several of them in this game. That explosiveness, the way
Speaker 8: to get him to the edge, to around the corner
Speaker 8: and stuff like that. It was all not the heavy
Speaker 8: lifting in the middle, but it was more on the
Speaker 8: outside in the edge, and they were really able to
Speaker 8: take advantage of that.
Speaker 10: And also what you know, kind of going back to
Speaker 10: what Brian was saying, when it comes to the creativity,
Speaker 10: the play calling. It's really getting fun as far as
Speaker 10: even pre snap because you know, we talked about it
Speaker 10: quite a bit as far as the Cowboys ramping up
Speaker 10: their use of pre snap motion and how it directly
Speaker 10: correlates over the past five six games with their offensive explosiveness.
Speaker 10: Obviously execution matters as well, but you look at what
Speaker 10: they did against the Commanders, almost seventy percent of their
Speaker 10: offensive snaps pre snap had some sort of motion involved.
Speaker 2: So the Cowboys have and Mike.
Speaker 10: McCarthy have completely leaned into it and to the point
Speaker 10: where now they're right up there rivaling the likes of
Speaker 10: like Kyle Shanahan and how often he runs pre snap motion.
Speaker 10: So if you love to see that from the Cowboys,
Speaker 10: and you should because it reveals where the mismatches might
Speaker 10: be pre snap, then that's another reason that this Cowboys
Speaker 10: offense should continue to be consistent in what they're doing.
Speaker 8: That had a third and six play where, if you remember,
Speaker 8: Lamb came back for the ball and ended up getting
Speaker 8: fourteen yards in the play motion left to right. So
Speaker 8: they're doing things to not allow people to bracket or
Speaker 8: double covered Lamb. Yep, but they're also knowing Okay, on
Speaker 8: third and six, we want to get into football.
Speaker 9: So let's get him on the move.
Speaker 8: He goes past the sticks, comes back for the ball,
Speaker 8: breaks a tackle like he seems to do all the time,
Speaker 8: and you get fourteen yards. You know they're just looking
Speaker 8: to get a first down. That turns into a fourteen
Speaker 8: yard play all started because they left right motion to
Speaker 8: get him going up the field.
Speaker 10: And it's also when you're talking about guys like Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 10: Brandon Cooks, Cavante Turpin, this motion helps them in their
Speaker 10: skill set as well, because you're not asking them to
Speaker 10: go from zero to have to beat the guy off
Speaker 10: the press or whatever the case may be. They're already
Speaker 10: in motion, they're already moving, legs are already moving. So
Speaker 10: it's much easier to go from second gear to sixth
Speaker 10: gear than from the first gear to six gears. So
Speaker 10: when you add in that capacity as well, I mean
Speaker 10: it's working and I believe it will continue to do. So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think one of the things that that fans
Speaker 7: need to do is the need to give some credit
Speaker 7: to Mike McCarthy because absolutely, for years, for real years,
Speaker 7: fans have been clamoring for scheming guys open, figuring out
Speaker 7: ways to get guys open and not just relying on
Speaker 7: we can beat you because our guys are better, right,
Speaker 7: And that's what you're seeing right now. You're seeing this
Speaker 7: scheme and the scheme of what they're trying to do.
Speaker 7: You see the offense actually creating opportunities for guys to
Speaker 7: get open, and then they're taking advantage of it. The
Speaker 7: quarterbacks taking advantage of the receivers are taking advantage of it.
Speaker 7: And I think a lot of credit has to go
Speaker 7: to Mike McCarthy, and that's not something that always happens
Speaker 7: with fans.
Speaker 3: It's got to make it take the time to give
Speaker 3: that credit to Mike and car No.
Speaker 12: That it's kind of starting to work out.
Speaker 11: No, no, that is finally clicking and it's working now now,
Speaker 11: you know. You take a seat back and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 11: I guess that was pretty quick. And the fact that
Speaker 11: he was able to turn things around.
Speaker 9: You know, but they were not very good the first
Speaker 9: five games, absolutely not, and.
Speaker 3: We're all questioning.
Speaker 11: But now you think of five games looking like okay,
Speaker 11: when you're making a change like that, big, that's fair.
Speaker 11: Five games should be kind of the grace of like Okay,
Speaker 11: it took this long to make I.
Speaker 2: Think we're at the point now we can say just
Speaker 2: let Mike cook. Okay, let them cook.
Speaker 7: I got a bigger question for y'all looking at how
Speaker 7: this this offense performed over the last two years. This
Speaker 7: has been an offense that has always been in the
Speaker 7: top of the league. They're consistently there when Kelvin Moore
Speaker 7: was the offensive coordinator. Do you think this version of
Speaker 7: the offense is better than the version last year in
Speaker 7: the year before.
Speaker 9: Yes, I do.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 8: I do, and I do for the reason, maybe not
Speaker 8: for the running game aspect of it.
Speaker 9: But what they're doing throw the football.
Speaker 8: And I think your quarterback plays better in this kind
Speaker 8: of where you create opportunities for him. And I'm not
Speaker 8: saying you have to scheme guys open all the time,
Speaker 8: because that two point play, he threw that thing through
Speaker 8: a hole that you know that we've seen that ball
Speaker 8: get intercepted before with Dak you know, And and I
Speaker 8: honestly believe he wanted to throw the ball off the
Speaker 8: pick to to Ferguson on the drag and he pulled
Speaker 8: it back and and and give Lamb a lot of
Speaker 8: credit for keep running, you know, keep running this route
Speaker 8: because he found he found a hole. But man, if
Speaker 8: you tell me that, I think the passing game is
Speaker 8: better because of the way the combinations of the routes
Speaker 8: are scheming guys open. But I think we're still trying
Speaker 8: to kind of figure out that running game from the
Speaker 8: from the old the old days.
Speaker 10: It took me a moment. I had to really assess,
Speaker 10: and I'm going to go with yes. Also, I think
Speaker 10: that obviously the run game was better, you know, I
Speaker 10: want to say back in the day, but over the
Speaker 10: past couple of seasons. But when you look at when
Speaker 10: you compare the passing attack, it's it's not even that
Speaker 10: it's simply a three headed attack, which is what everyone
Speaker 10: was kind of looking toward. Brandon Cooks, Michael Gallup, Cede Lamb, Well,
Speaker 10: it's really City Lamb, Brandon Cooks, Jake Ferguson, Jaylen Tobert,
Speaker 10: Michael Gallup, Cavante Turpin, Jalen Brooks. I mean, you have
Speaker 10: all these weapons, and then if Schoolmaker can start to
Speaker 10: contribute as a receiver as well, you combine that with
Speaker 10: what are we talking about, pre snap motion and creativity
Speaker 10: and the play calling and misdirection and then what else
Speaker 10: are we talking about? Dirty deck has arrived, he's using
Speaker 10: his legs, he's extending plays, he's making it hard on
Speaker 10: defensive backs with long coverage windows against highly skilled receivers.
Speaker 10: So in that capacity, in those capacities, absolutely, this is
Speaker 10: a better offense.
Speaker 8: Well, the offensive lines making it easy on you too,
Speaker 8: right now, Finally, yeah, they really are.
Speaker 3: Which there was a time this season that we didn't
Speaker 3: know if that would come around.
Speaker 8: No, there was a lot of big questions there about
Speaker 8: you know, and to me, it's when your center plays
Speaker 8: better and your right tackle plays better. This offensive lines
Speaker 8: generally pretty good.
Speaker 10: And to that point, if you go back and you
Speaker 10: look at the Cavante Turpin touchdown Terrence Steel Zach Martin,
Speaker 10: they gave Dak Prescott just enough time to read, do
Speaker 10: the pump fake, to drag the dB to the right
Speaker 10: to Cooks, and then release that ball to Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 10: If that protection breaks down, that touchdown doesn't happen. Maybe
Speaker 10: he dumps it off to Ferguson on the right. Maybe
Speaker 10: he dumps it off to poll on the lift and
Speaker 10: the release and maybe you get the first down, but
Speaker 10: you don't get that touchdown.
Speaker 9: Well, they had they had a deal.
Speaker 8: They had a deal too, And I believe it was
Speaker 8: one of the plays where it was a third and eleven,
Speaker 8: just just remembering plays from the day and Cooks caught
Speaker 8: the ball inside and he's running a route where Dak
Speaker 8: flushes left and Tyron Smith just pins everybody to the inside.
Speaker 8: And Tyron Smith by pinning everybody there, that gets Prescott
Speaker 8: to the edge and now he's able to set his
Speaker 8: feet and make the throw. So here you are you
Speaker 8: throw a ball for you know, for a third and
Speaker 8: eleven play, it's been a twenty five yard game, you know,
Speaker 8: because your quarterback's mobility, you were receiver smart enough.
Speaker 9: To find the hole in the zone.
Speaker 8: And then also the quarterback also sets his feet and
Speaker 8: makes a really really nice throw and you get that
Speaker 8: pin everybody pinned to the inside there on the on
Speaker 8: the pass rush and Dak was a single time two
Speaker 8: games in a row, now, right.
Speaker 11: I was going to say, the biggest difference, uh to
Speaker 11: me between the two schemes and the changes is just
Speaker 11: the way DAK is playing as a whole. Because even
Speaker 11: with Kellen Moore, we saw creative plays, We saw them
Speaker 11: filling up the stats sheets, you know, being the top
Speaker 11: NFL offense. In the NFL, we saw them utilizing different
Speaker 11: weapons as well, But now the way Dak is playing,
Speaker 11: to me, it just gives everything else like a whole sense,
Speaker 11: like a different sense of confidence and comfort level on
Speaker 11: the field, Like you go out there and you can
Speaker 11: trust him and not not that you couldn't trust him before,
Speaker 11: and he's always been a great leader, but there's just
Speaker 11: something a whole like just different, and I get it,
Speaker 11: like the running game is still missing and you do
Speaker 11: need to keep improving on that. And I like to
Speaker 11: think it's more of the injuries that have happened and
Speaker 11: maybe that's what's kind of messed up your running game
Speaker 11: as a whole. But also, uh, it's just I just
Speaker 11: see everything leading back to Dak and just being more
Speaker 11: comfortable and using his legs and running and him just
Speaker 11: having it really being able to connect with his receivers
Speaker 11: so well, like knowing now where this player is going
Speaker 11: to land and get there some of those long deep
Speaker 11: passes down the field.
Speaker 12: I mean, he's shown a lot more of that happening
Speaker 12: this year.
Speaker 9: They haven't turned the ball over to and that's really
Speaker 9: really helps.
Speaker 10: I think Deck's channeling his girl, dead energy. I think
Speaker 10: that's what's really going on.
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Speaker 7: I want to talk a little bit more about that
Speaker 7: running game and is this running game at least what
Speaker 7: we saw from Tony poll this game is that what
Speaker 7: the offense really needs. Is it a little different than
Speaker 7: what they had last year, but is that sufficient for
Speaker 7: what they need in order to be effective.
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Speaker 7: Let's talk about the running game, Tony Pollout. This game
Speaker 7: had thirteen carriages for seventy nine yards, a six point
Speaker 7: one average, really good average, one touchdown, then had another
Speaker 7: six receptions for twenty four yards. All in all for
Speaker 7: fantasy players out there, really great fantasy day. But that
Speaker 7: being said, is this what this offense really needs from
Speaker 7: the running back position? I mean, these aren't Goudy numbers,
Speaker 7: but these are numbers that maybe this is what the
Speaker 7: offense needs. If you're throwing the ball as well as
Speaker 7: the Cowboys are throwing the ball, maybe this is what
Speaker 7: you need from the running back.
Speaker 2: So do you guys think I agree with it?
Speaker 10: I mean, we mentioned several times on the podcast that
Speaker 10: I specifically I know that I feel like the Cowboys
Speaker 10: should continue to use the pass to set up the
Speaker 10: run until further notice, you know, until a defense presents
Speaker 10: itself that forces you to flip that, continue to use
Speaker 10: the pass to set up the run. And doing that,
Speaker 10: all you need the run to do. The run offense
Speaker 10: to be is effective enough to make the opposing defense respected.
Speaker 2: That's all you need it to be. You also need
Speaker 2: your running backs.
Speaker 10: To be able to be receivers out of the backfield
Speaker 10: as well.
Speaker 2: Tony Polter can do that.
Speaker 10: You saw Rico daldod he can do that with the
Speaker 10: touchdown on the quick screen. You know that you can
Speaker 10: get some flecks out of Hunter Lipkey if you were
Speaker 10: to do that as well. So really all you need
Speaker 10: is from your running backs. Three things. One, be excellent
Speaker 10: in pass pro because again you're trying to set up
Speaker 10: the run with the pass. Second, make sure that when
Speaker 10: they are taking the handoffs that it's respectable games. Doesn't
Speaker 10: have to be tearing off six seven yards a game,
Speaker 10: just respectable four and a half.
Speaker 2: That should do it.
Speaker 10: And then the third thing is be an effective receiver
Speaker 10: out of the backfield, and that'll keep opposing defenses from
Speaker 10: adding guys to the box and if you you know,
Speaker 10: can add them to the box, and that just helps
Speaker 10: you out from the run game.
Speaker 2: So one hand washes the other.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think if it's that type of performance, I'll.
Speaker 12: Take that every week.
Speaker 11: I mean, it works out perfectly and I'm okay with
Speaker 11: that type of running game performance especially. Yes, absolutely, but
Speaker 11: it does concern me. I'm trying to think, okay, one matchup,
Speaker 11: but I still don't feel like you can't solely rely
Speaker 11: on or depend on the running game.
Speaker 12: That is still an.
Speaker 11: A non no. Like you know, we were talking about consistency.
Speaker 11: I can feel like the Cowboys can consistently show up
Speaker 11: with Dak Prescott in the passing game. The running game.
Speaker 11: That's a different story. You don't know, that's a gamble,
Speaker 11: that's a whole gamble. You don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 11: work out or not just yet. But the good thing
Speaker 11: and the promising thing is that it's starting to trend
Speaker 11: upwards and you're are to see improvement. But yeah, they
Speaker 11: still need to get better. Don't get me wrong, and
Speaker 11: I'll take that all day, but it's just something that
Speaker 11: I don't think can be relied on.
Speaker 8: I don't know if they can kill a game, a
Speaker 8: close game, if they had to, if they had to
Speaker 8: get into a four minute offense and kill this game.
Speaker 8: I don't know if they can do that right now
Speaker 8: because they play so many blowout games. I do know
Speaker 8: on third and six they can get fourteen yards if
Speaker 8: it's blocked well and the runner explodes the way he
Speaker 8: did on the edge. They're running some toss stuff that
Speaker 8: they seem to be playing perimeter football, which I think
Speaker 8: is really really good.
Speaker 9: I like that.
Speaker 8: I'm with Amber. I'll take the one hundred yards a
Speaker 8: game for sure, but I'm not sure I can hang
Speaker 8: my hat on finishing a game if I had to,
Speaker 8: if it was closed and you got the ball and
Speaker 8: we got to get three first downs and this thing's over.
Speaker 8: I don't know if they can do that right now
Speaker 8: with the way the running game is currently is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you on that, And I also
Speaker 7: think the other challenge will be what happens when you
Speaker 7: get into a game where you can't throw, And what
Speaker 7: I mean by that is the weather doesn't allow you
Speaker 7: to throw. We know that game's coming up here in
Speaker 7: December where they're gonna have to travel to Buffalo. I
Speaker 7: don't know how many people saw this sweek in out
Speaker 7: watching that Kansas I think it was the Kansas State, Kansas.
Speaker 3: State and Iowa State.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the whole field is white and snow is
Speaker 7: just like you can't really even see everything completely.
Speaker 3: And I was.
Speaker 7: Thinking December and Buffalo, that looks like that could be
Speaker 7: a possibility. And you get into a game like that,
Speaker 7: you got to run the ball. There is no throwing
Speaker 7: the ball downfield like the Cowboys are doing right now
Speaker 7: in those kind of conditions, by and.
Speaker 3: Large, So if you get in one of those games,
Speaker 3: can you run the ball.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the thing. I think in Buffalo, you worry
Speaker 8: about the cold, but you worry about the wind.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: That's another one that's going to affect a passing game
Speaker 8: quite a bit there. And you know, I give Josh
Speaker 8: Allen a lot of credit yesterday that the conditions in
Speaker 8: Philadelphia were. Yeah, it's pretty awful, and he was throwing
Speaker 8: the ball around pretty well. But he's used to that.
Speaker 8: He played at Wyoming, you know, he Buffalo's his home now.
Speaker 8: You know, these quarterbacks, they adapt. But yeah, it does
Speaker 8: affect your ability to move the ball when you have
Speaker 8: to deal with elements, and mainly to me, throwing the
Speaker 8: ball as always been wind.
Speaker 9: That's the one that kind of gets you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's one you definitely can face when you
Speaker 7: get up to Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Cacember, Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 7: All right, let's talk about the offensive line. Yesterday, Dak
Speaker 7: was not sucked sacked at all. He only got he
Speaker 7: only got hit twice. Yeah, sorry, yeah Thursday, Sorry, I'm
Speaker 7: away off. And then Paula obviously we talked about the
Speaker 7: day that he had talk to me, specifically about the
Speaker 7: interior offensive lineman Tyler Smith, Tyler and Zach Martin. How
Speaker 7: did they do against those two, those two big defensive tack.
Speaker 8: That was a big win because I believe you only
Speaker 8: got one pressure off the pass rushers that you had,
Speaker 8: so going into that game, I know on on on
Speaker 8: one O five three the fan on the pregame show
Speaker 8: that we do one of the things. I felt like
Speaker 8: if the Cowboys were going to have success on offense,
Speaker 8: it was going to be on Martin, Beattish and Smith
Speaker 8: to be able to hold up against the inside too.
Speaker 8: I wasn't so concerned about what was going on on
Speaker 8: the edges with this Commander's defense. It was inside, but
Speaker 8: the amount of dropbacks you had and the lack of
Speaker 8: pressure there, the hits and all that, I think they
Speaker 8: did a really really nice job of holding up inside.
Speaker 8: You just worry about those two guys pushing the pocket
Speaker 8: and affecting it, and Dak had no problem at all,
Speaker 8: even there were a couple of times where he got
Speaker 8: to step up and throw balls. So helmet stickers for
Speaker 8: those three guys. For the way they played against those
Speaker 8: two commanders tackles.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's one of the best, you know, interior tandems
Speaker 10: in the entire NFL. And you could put them up
Speaker 10: against anyone and they'll probably have a phenomenal day. So
Speaker 10: to see how well Tyler Biadish played and Tyler Smith
Speaker 10: continues to just play lights out. And we talked about
Speaker 10: Zach marr and in a couple of cracks in the armor.
Speaker 10: But the Army looked pretty good on Thanksgiving against some
Speaker 10: of the best and strongest interior defensive linemen in the
Speaker 10: entire league. So like Brynce helmestickers to those guys, because
Speaker 10: Dak Prescott really had some time in that pocket as
Speaker 10: far as the interior, which then forced the issue to
Speaker 10: the edges. Uh, and that you know, the commanders don't
Speaker 10: have the horses at the edges anyhow, they don't have chance,
Speaker 10: you know the Montes switch. So winning on that interior
Speaker 10: basically set the Cowboys up for success.
Speaker 8: There was really only one negative play Pollard had got
Speaker 8: trapped behind the line for a loss. But man, that
Speaker 8: made beyondish my man Mark. We interviewed Zach Martin to
Speaker 8: down the radio. I think he left his I think
Speaker 8: he left his buddy Tyler Biodish out on the island
Speaker 8: on that one. It was a real wide technique there
Speaker 8: and Alan was able to get it and Zach's like
Speaker 8: I'm going around him, and poor Beiondish is like like
Speaker 8: he's trying, but you know he uh, Alan got.
Speaker 9: In the backfield and it was it was yeah, it
Speaker 9: was that was.
Speaker 8: It was really one of the only negative plays that
Speaker 8: you saw that those guys made against against you.
Speaker 11: Well, we had a plenty of discussions wondering how long
Speaker 11: it would take for this online to start being in
Speaker 11: sync and on.
Speaker 12: The same page.
Speaker 11: It was about four games, uh, which is about ride
Speaker 11: with a lot of what you guys were saying and
Speaker 11: Nate was saying on his show. But they just seem
Speaker 11: like they're in sync now they're they're not. Everybody seems
Speaker 11: to be on the same page and knows what the
Speaker 11: other one is doing, so it's not the whole And
Speaker 11: also not getting beat one on one, which happened a
Speaker 11: whole lot in the last several.
Speaker 8: Weeks Philadelphia with the right tackle was kind of a.
Speaker 11: They have several games where you could see just one
Speaker 11: on one battles of guys just getting beat which is
Speaker 11: not common. It's very uncommon for these guys. They have
Speaker 11: experience and they're big, tough guys that know what they're doing.
Speaker 11: But something was off either way. The point is they're
Speaker 11: in sync now and everybody is holding up their own
Speaker 11: job and doing their own thing.
Speaker 8: They're gonna need these guys to play now now now
Speaker 8: starts Thursday. The run where you're gonna have to You're
Speaker 8: gonna have to be really good upfront if they're going
Speaker 8: to if they're going to compete for the division title,
Speaker 8: it's going to have to be with those guys the
Speaker 8: way that they play.
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Speaker 7: We are alive from this s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 7: the Star and now we got to talk about the defense.
Speaker 7: And I'm kind of remiss that we've gotten to the
Speaker 7: third segment and having mentioned.
Speaker 2: Deron Bland because he deserves his own segment.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 7: This man has broken the NFL record for the number
Speaker 7: of pick six is in.
Speaker 3: A season now with five.
Speaker 7: In my opinion, he should be I don't care what
Speaker 7: else apples the rest of the year. He should be
Speaker 7: Defensive Player of the Year. But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 7: Talk to me first about Dron Bland and what he's
Speaker 7: meant to this team so far, this to this point
Speaker 7: of the season.
Speaker 10: Wow, I mean, that's that sums it up for me
Speaker 10: thus far. When you look at this is a second
Speaker 10: year guy who flew out of the gates as a
Speaker 10: rookie led the team in interceptions with five, but that
Speaker 10: was at Nickel. Come into this season, he's at Nickel again.
Speaker 10: You lose Trayvon Diggs. He immediately gets bounced to the outside.
Speaker 10: Question is can he even remotely fill the shoes of
Speaker 10: Trayvon Diggs, who's a record setting cornerback in his own right,
Speaker 10: and here he is five picks six is later. That
Speaker 10: question has been answered just magnificently. So he's playing fantastic football.
Speaker 10: He's your resident ballhawk. You have a lot of ballhawks,
Speaker 10: but he is the He is him when it comes
Speaker 10: to the hawk and the ball. But what's even more
Speaker 10: insane is it's not the interceptions. It's the fact that
Speaker 10: he keeps finding the end zone. After he gets the
Speaker 10: interception that picks six against the Commanders. He looked like
Speaker 10: a punk returner after he got that interception, the way
Speaker 10: he set up Sam Howe with the angles and forced
Speaker 10: him to turn the wrong way and then forced two
Speaker 10: wide receivers to collide into each other. Allah Mike Vick
Speaker 10: in Minnesota in the playoffs. I mean, I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't have enough.
Speaker 10: Adjectives to describe how great the Cowboys need to feel
Speaker 10: about the Ron Bland. And there's still several games enough
Speaker 10: to play in this regular season. So might we get six?
Speaker 10: Might we get seven? It's insane. It's insane what he's doing.
Speaker 10: So I hope everyone's enjoying this in real time because
Speaker 10: you're going to look back on this years and years
Speaker 10: from now and realize that you're probably never see anything
Speaker 10: like this again.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I'm sitting on a couch my teeth falling off,
Speaker 11: and I'll be like, oh, yes to my little grandkids, Yes,
Speaker 11: I was a press box.
Speaker 7: And the interesting thing about the press box, you know,
Speaker 7: there's no cheering in the box, but when I tell
Speaker 7: you the press box kind of exploded a little bit like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, I can't believe he caught it, and
Speaker 7: then like is he gonna take oh, and then people
Speaker 7: are just like losing their minds.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 7: It was actually a really cool moment because you're not
Speaker 7: supposed to cheer in the press box, but everybody was
Speaker 7: just amazed by what was happening.
Speaker 11: No, no, it was absolutely amazing to just live that
Speaker 11: moment and live his experience, like enjoyed that through his
Speaker 11: eyes and like his presence, Like you feel like you're
Speaker 11: living it with him, even though you had nothing to
Speaker 11: do with it. But even when we were out there
Speaker 11: waiting outside the locker room, you could hear how loud
Speaker 11: the locker room got and them cheering, So that that
Speaker 11: is the coolest part of it all. It's just seeing
Speaker 11: your teammates, how they react to it, how they celebrate you,
Speaker 11: and such a big win and such a cool thing
Speaker 11: and he's you know, he's like having to do all
Speaker 11: these interviews after the game and all kind of nervous,
Speaker 11: don't know what's say. But now his gloves and what
Speaker 11: else was sent to the hall shoes, his shoes.
Speaker 12: He's clean. So that's really cool.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that pick and now his
Speaker 3: stuff is sitting in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 11: It's insane. It's insane. And I told him you wanted
Speaker 11: to be remember and.
Speaker 12: Now you will be. Yeah.
Speaker 11: So it's awesome to see great things happen to great people.
Speaker 11: And he's he's such a humble, nice guy.
Speaker 9: If he doesn't pick that ball off, he had a
Speaker 9: rough day. Yeah, he really did.
Speaker 8: He let's get to yeah, no, seriously, you know, Samuel,
Speaker 8: Samuel ran him, ran him around a little bit.
Speaker 9: It was a battle out there.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 8: He was targeted eleven times. He gave up eight receptions
Speaker 8: overall for one hundred and twenty yards. You know, that's
Speaker 8: that's that those are the things you live with when
Speaker 8: you play in the National Football League. You you're going
Speaker 8: to come across some receivers that we've talked about this
Speaker 8: in the in the the build up to the game,
Speaker 8: felt like that you know mclauren and really didn't talk
Speaker 8: about Sam whole helld a lot. But if you're a
Speaker 8: Commander's fan, you got to kind of be proud about
Speaker 8: the way that he played in this game, you know,
Speaker 8: because yeah, he was you know, and that's the first
Speaker 8: receiver that the Cowboys had given up that had one
Speaker 8: hundred yards, so uh, you know, and you have a
Speaker 8: three hundred yard passer on the dot and one hundred
Speaker 8: yard receiver on the dot. Yeah, and so it was
Speaker 8: a it was a rough game for him that way.
Speaker 8: Anytime you have a corner that has ten tackles in
Speaker 8: a game, that usually means they're going after a guy.
Speaker 8: And they felt like that they can double move him,
Speaker 8: they felt like and a lot of teams are doing
Speaker 8: this now because of how aggressive he plays, you know,
Speaker 8: and how he's able to position himself to get these interceptions. Uh,
Speaker 8: it's incredible the ball skills he has. But you know, uh,
Speaker 8: I'm surprised. I thought that more people would attack Gilmore
Speaker 8: on the other side. It really hasn't come out that way.
Speaker 8: It's it's been more about now Gilmour on the other
Speaker 8: side against Terry McLaurin. He was McLaren caught one ball,
Speaker 8: six targets, you know, and when when you're dealing with
Speaker 8: that way, so overall other than Samuel, but they made
Speaker 8: a point to get Samuel over on Bland in this game,
Speaker 8: and he's gonna have to be He's gonna have to
Speaker 8: be ready for that because people feel like that they
Speaker 8: can move him now with that aggressiveness he placed with.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll just ask you this question, Brian, if are
Speaker 7: you okay with the idea of giving up ten doings,
Speaker 7: say twelve catches for one hundred and twenty yards or whatever,
Speaker 7: for one hundred and twenty yards, giving up that not
Speaker 7: giving up a touchdown those he didn't get beat deep,
Speaker 7: and still having the ability to get those pick sixes.
Speaker 3: Are you okay with that?
Speaker 7: Because for that kind of cornerback, the picks is going
Speaker 7: to take those chances. That means sometimes he's probably gonna
Speaker 7: get beat a little bit. And that definitely means if
Speaker 7: he's gonna have to come up and make the tackle
Speaker 7: and it looks like he was making those tackles, it
Speaker 7: wasn't like he was getting beat deep, didn't look like
Speaker 7: he was giving up a lot of big plays. No,
Speaker 7: he would just have to rally and tackle. Would you
Speaker 7: be willing to give that up?
Speaker 8: The pick sixes are worth four sacks if you want
Speaker 8: to play metrics games with that. If you look at
Speaker 8: with the percentage of a what it picks six means
Speaker 8: to as opposed to what a sack means, that's like
Speaker 8: getting four wow sacks.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 8: So no, I you know, I'm just pointing out that.
Speaker 8: You know, this kid's an incredible player. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying though he had a rough day, you know,
Speaker 8: when it comes to I'll take the pick sixes all day.
Speaker 8: I'll take the way he come. Now, eight receptions for
Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty yards. If one of those is
Speaker 8: a touchdown or two of those is a touchdown, maybe
Speaker 8: we're talking a different game. But you know, I just
Speaker 8: you have to be able to he is. Teams are not.
Speaker 8: Even though he's had so much success. This team did
Speaker 8: not shy away from him, and I wonder if other
Speaker 8: teams are seeing the same thing. That's the only thing
Speaker 8: I'm pointing out here. I'm not trying to discount the
Speaker 8: player at all, because he's a hell of a football player.
Speaker 8: He's I was more worried about losing a really great
Speaker 8: slot player than I was. To me him playing for
Speaker 8: Diggs was never going to be a question who was
Speaker 8: going to be in the slot. That was my question
Speaker 8: right there. So he's got to be ready that these
Speaker 8: teams are going to they're going to work on him,
Speaker 8: you know, and and and he's he'll make them pay,
Speaker 8: but he but he needs to be ready for that.
Speaker 7: When you look at a Curtis Samuel, I think of
Speaker 7: him as a very skilled guy that knows how to
Speaker 7: get open, can work in the slot. Some what are
Speaker 7: the kind of guys do the Cowboys face that that
Speaker 7: maybe teams say because you said they made a concerted
Speaker 7: effort to make sure they put got him on the land.
Speaker 7: I think of a guy like Devonte Smith. But what
Speaker 7: would be another guy that maybe the Cowboys have to
Speaker 7: play that you look at and you're like, that's the
Speaker 7: kind of player you'd have to be aware of if
Speaker 7: they're going to do those kinds of things.
Speaker 8: Maybe he'll yeah, you know, he'll or waddle. All those
Speaker 8: guys that can really really run, Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 8: because what happens is their speed. Their speed will make
Speaker 8: you nervous, you know, their ability if you if all
Speaker 8: of a sudden, they fake like they're breaking in on
Speaker 8: an indcut and you have to chase that down and
Speaker 8: Land can chase. But you know, we're talking about about
Speaker 8: some guys with some elite speed.
Speaker 9: So if you know, the whole.
Speaker 8: Thing about selling routes is you know, Samuel did a
Speaker 8: really good job of selling his routes and and you know,
Speaker 8: and and it it forced forced Bland to have to
Speaker 8: kind of got putting some bad situations there.
Speaker 9: But you're gonna play some teams.
Speaker 8: I mean, what about a buffalo with with Diggs, you know,
Speaker 8: and that crew, and then and then there's the Gabe Davis.
Speaker 8: Is it gave Davis is a you know, there's guys
Speaker 8: that can make plays there. They're they're going to face
Speaker 8: some wide receivers down the stretch here that I think
Speaker 8: that they're they're all going to have to be on
Speaker 8: their A games.
Speaker 7: All right, real quick before we end the show, Patrick,
Speaker 7: what do we know right now about Shack Leonard?
Speaker 10: Uh He's scheduled to be in the facility here this week,
Speaker 10: early this week obviously, if not tomorrow, which is correctly
Speaker 10: tomorrow's Tuesday, Okay, I feel the uh per multiple reports
Speaker 10: it will be tomorrow but I'm hearing it'll be no
Speaker 10: later than Wednesday. Obviously, the Cowboys have a game on Thursday,
Speaker 10: so it won't be then. But Cowboys have a lot
Speaker 10: of interest in him. Initially, they were doing due diligence
Speaker 10: on the medical aspect of it, trying to do some
Speaker 10: digging seeing what they could come up with their Obviously
Speaker 10: they're at the point where they are satisfied with that
Speaker 10: portion of it, so they invited him to come on down.
Speaker 10: And obviously the interest is mutual because yesterday he was
Speaker 10: at the coach game. So he's catching a flight for
Speaker 10: Indianapolis to come sit down and talk with Jerry, Stephen
Speaker 10: McLay in the front office, McCarthy, probably some former teammates
Speaker 10: Stefan Gilmore, Brandon Cook. So those relationships exist here as well.
Speaker 10: And the Cowboys they as long as those talks bear fruit.
Speaker 10: I mean, they really do want him, and they are
Speaker 10: also up against the reality that there are other teams
Speaker 10: that want him as well, one particularly being in your
Speaker 10: division who just went ten to one, who might have
Speaker 10: lost that.
Speaker 3: Cunningham the second line back correct due to injury, so.
Speaker 2: He's scheduled to be here.
Speaker 10: Cowboys want him to stick around so fingers crossed because Brian, myself,
Speaker 10: Derek and Ambar, we all want shaqu Lynn hay Shack.
Speaker 2: If you're listening, yeah, when you get here, stay here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you come on through it.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think the one thing you always have to appreciate
Speaker 8: about the way that Jerry Steven will.
Speaker 9: Like those guys. They recruit very very well. Yep.
Speaker 8: And usually when they get somebody in the building out
Speaker 8: in PACIFICA, the agents usually kind of work things out.
Speaker 9: So hopefully that'll be the case. You mentioned Philadelphia.
Speaker 8: I know it was that Josiah Anderson said that Philly
Speaker 8: wasn't interested. I had people in Philly tell me they
Speaker 8: were interested, So you know, hey, everybody's getting information nowadays.
Speaker 8: But yeah, the injuries to the Eagles is something that
Speaker 8: is now have a little bit of a concern to them.
Speaker 8: At the linebacker spot. You clearly saw that late in
Speaker 8: the game that Buffalo was able to run the ball
Speaker 8: inside and they just weren't good enough to defend the run.
Speaker 8: I don't think they want to get into the playoffs
Speaker 8: with a leaky defense when it comes to running the ball.
Speaker 8: They have those two big inside tackles and they got
Speaker 8: Fletcher Cox. It's even nicked up right now too, so
Speaker 8: they might be a little bit of a bad spot
Speaker 8: there with the injuries.
Speaker 7: When you start thinking about it, really there, their secondary
Speaker 7: is probably the weakest part of that defense. Now if
Speaker 7: you add linebacker to that, now you got some real
Speaker 7: problems on that defense.
Speaker 3: So I agree with you. I think they would probably
Speaker 3: be in the mix.
Speaker 7: But what I do love is you put Jerry in
Speaker 7: a situation where he's got your sell. Hey man, I'll
Speaker 7: put him up against almost anybody when he's got to sell.
Speaker 2: They have.
Speaker 10: They have the fire power to get this deal done.
Speaker 10: They have the the personal connections gil Moore and cooks
Speaker 10: uh than Gus Bradley. And when you know you have that,
Speaker 10: you have the beauty of the facility as far as
Speaker 10: wooing the player. You have the offense that's come alive.
Speaker 10: You have City which I think the City City as
Speaker 10: well met magnificent. It's not a hard sale. And on
Speaker 10: top of that, you also have the cap space to
Speaker 10: get this done.
Speaker 9: Are killing Dallas?
Speaker 7: No, she said, it's not a hard I got.
Speaker 3: I got you're trying to say, Dallas.
Speaker 11: When you look at team and yeah, there's some they're
Speaker 11: in the hut crap about the covers and all, but
Speaker 11: the reality is that, I mean, you just walking this
Speaker 11: place and it's amazing just.
Speaker 10: Walking around the locker room and meet with the players
Speaker 10: and the coaches, and it's like you said, it's not
Speaker 10: a hard sale, and the Cowboys have the cap space
Speaker 10: to get it done because it's not like they're trying
Speaker 10: to sign the guy to it, you know, a four year,
Speaker 10: you know, market setting deal. I mean, you're trying to
Speaker 10: get him for the rest of the season. So you
Speaker 10: got the money, you got the power, you got the
Speaker 10: the influence, Just get her done.
Speaker 7: I think I think this is one of those moves
Speaker 7: that I think could really pay dividends for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I think they can really use this player. And I
Speaker 7: think as time goes on, they will see how much
Speaker 7: they could use this player.
Speaker 9: Elace that overshown yet.
Speaker 3: Have they No, they haven't. And that's honestly the guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the guys that they have here have been doing
Speaker 7: it job. This guy was not a linebacker, but all
Speaker 7: was not a linebacker when the season started, and he
Speaker 7: has done an admirable job. But as you get closer
Speaker 7: to the playoffs, and we talked about you get into
Speaker 7: that weather where you have to run the ball. Guess
Speaker 7: what there maybe if you're in that kind of weather,
Speaker 7: that means the other team has to run the ball too.
Speaker 7: And we haven't faced that kind of just pounding, relentless,
Speaker 7: rushing attack to see whether Bell can really hold up.
Speaker 12: Something happens, Scott forbid, you.
Speaker 2: Still need if nothing else, you need, you.
Speaker 12: Have nobody else really to take care of that.
Speaker 10: And also also, if nothing else, you keep him out
Speaker 10: of Philadelphia by keeping him here.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it, that may be the most important here.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 3: All right, We appreciate you, guys, Jones. So we're back tomorrow.
Speaker 7: We're gonna start breaking down Cowboys versus Seahawks.
Speaker 3: That happens. It's Thursday.
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