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Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, Hey, we're back. We're black, We're Brown Ambition,

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Speaker 1: Ambitious Ambibition. Hey manager, how are you doing girl?

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's an extra chocolate day today, Extra brown, extra brown.

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Speaker 2: We have some very special guests today. I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: We were just doing like a little bit of like

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Speaker 2: a woo saw before the company arrives. Cause if I

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Speaker 2: don't bake in like a half hour before my company

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Speaker 2: gets here, then that's the time I never schedule it.

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Speaker 2: You know, so great, I'm usually like cleaning and doing

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Speaker 2: stuff to the last second. So having like a little

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Speaker 2: bit of like a you know, and take your shoulders back,

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Speaker 2: roll them back, get a little woo saw, do a

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Speaker 2: little stretch. It's helpful. But I am excited about today's

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Speaker 2: show me too. Yeah. Two Black Girls, One Rose, the

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Speaker 2: incredible podcast that I can call it a guilty pressure pleasure.

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Speaker 2: But these two gals, Justine and Natasha, who are joining

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Speaker 2: us today, they've been doing the show that as long

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Speaker 2: as we've been doing Brown Ambition and I we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk all about the business of podcasting, but more

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Speaker 2: particularly like what it's like to be best friends running

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Speaker 2: a business together. And both of them are full time

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Speaker 2: to Black Girls one rose, so we're going to get

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Speaker 2: into that. It's also been like, do you remember having

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Speaker 2: Doctor Joy in the podcast last year?

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Speaker 1: It was for both of us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I still think about that, what an impact she

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Speaker 2: has as a human being. But yeah, Doctor Joy from

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Speaker 2: Therapy for Black Girls came on about this time last year.

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Speaker 2: She had a new book coming out, Sisterhood Heels, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we had some real deep deep conversations. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll do like a are we planning a holaback episode

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Speaker 2: with Doctor Joy's interview because we should if sue we haven't.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean in the years since then, I

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Speaker 2: feel like I've aged in my like my friendship, like

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Speaker 2: like an old lady now, like a little bit like

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Speaker 2: I've seen some stuff. Things ain't what they used to be.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a bit heavy, what about U tiff Like

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Speaker 2: reflections on sisterhood relationships in the past year.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean I had, you know, I

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Speaker 1: had a big kind of like friend breakup probably like

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Speaker 1: five or six years ago and since then, so that

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Speaker 1: it was kind of like the final phase of friendship

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Speaker 1: Tiffany that I didn't really like. You know, she was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a pushover, and so as a result,

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Speaker 1: she either attracted or brought out kind of people who.

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Speaker 2: Like to push past Tiffany.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, past Tiffany. Okay, gotcha, and so like so I

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Speaker 1: had that big, you know, epiphany when I finally was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So since then, you know, I have been really fortune

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Speaker 1: I still have boundary stuff that I work on, but

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Speaker 1: I have been fortunate to have really good discernment that

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Speaker 1: I have not invited. So I never not remember I

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Speaker 1: used to call it a bully friend. I have never

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Speaker 1: not had a bully friend. And so for the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know, you know, it was forty because I

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Speaker 2: Girl, get it, yeah, which forty Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm turning forty five this year, so it was

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Speaker 1: five years ago. And so now you know, it's been

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Speaker 1: five years. I do not have any bully friends. I

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Speaker 1: feel really comfortable telling my friend I know. And if

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Speaker 1: you need to know me, you have to know, like

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Speaker 1: I am a push over, like a people pleasing push over.

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Speaker 3: Please like me.

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Speaker 1: Don't go back to the past.

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Speaker 1: I liked it, but I was You're right, I was right,

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Speaker 1: but not anymore that like now I'm somebody who sets boundaries.

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Speaker 1: also am more discerning about allowing certain people into my

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Speaker 1: the same Tiffany at all. And so it also spills

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Speaker 1: I always had to shine a little less because for

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Speaker 1: Green always reminds me that like I over index in love,

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Speaker 1: So what do I look like keeping somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 1: I realized, girl, ain't no friendship, you dating yourself. And

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Speaker 1: which is so crazy, from there, my business actually started

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Speaker 1: business started to explode. Some of you asked, like, I

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons from the explosion was I had

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Speaker 1: And I know because I already also know that there

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Speaker 1: I'm here to say that, Like, honestly, I hope that

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh g a you just being so setty.

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Speaker 1: seventeen year oldivity. This is thirty nine year oltivity. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there was just a lot of like underhanded stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's so loucidated to me. And you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: that the victim thing is like you know, part of

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Speaker 1: I suspect, I know we're it comes from. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I don't know all their business, but so I'm not

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Speaker 1: once you stop to say how did I get here?

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Speaker 1: Because I know how I got there with them and

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Speaker 1: allowing somebody to mistreat me, I know the roles that

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Speaker 1: but and maybe one day she will, but crying. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: they have nothing to do with me, girl, because while

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Speaker 2: I think what's crazy is how I'm listening to you

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Speaker 2: and I'm and I'm I'm like really hearing everything that

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Speaker 2: because of this breakup, this friendship breakup and I and

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Speaker 2: as you're speaking, I'm realizing that a lot of what

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Speaker 2: I truly true I am. I'm a great storyteller. I

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Speaker 2: always have been. But I also tell myself, I told

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Speaker 2: this story that just was not even happening. It was

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Speaker 2: just and I realized, like when I when that person,

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Speaker 2: still reckoning with that, Like, wait, what was my motivation?

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Speaker 2: I was like, let's not really, let's really screwed up.

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Speaker 2: It was a it was a part of it, for sure,

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Speaker 2: and I'm having a hard time like tapping back into

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Speaker 2: that level of drive and motivation. Of course, like other

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Speaker 2: stuff happened this year, But thank god I didn't choose

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Speaker 2: her to start Brown Ambition with because I like you,

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Speaker 2: in an alternate universe, was gonna do a podcast? Potentially?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I got invited to do a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Remember I love this story because I'm right right, so

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Speaker 2: air loss why somebody invited me?

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Speaker 1: And then I said yes actually, and then I mean

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Speaker 1: to to their credit, they were really, this is not

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Speaker 2: want to.

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Speaker 4: Well wet putting Treon are full episodes on Patreon and

434
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 4: then cutting teaser episodes for the public feed, and so

435
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 4: that agency was like, we can put ads on those teasers,

436
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 4: which we didn't even think was a thing. We're like,

437
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 4: could we actually make money off of that? And as

438
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: Justine said, they courted us for so long, really all right,

439
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 4: let's try it. And so then we started, you know,

440
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 4: placing ads on those teaser episodes, and then you know,

441
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 4: fast forward to maybe last year, we kind of made

442
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 4: a decision with our business model to start putting full

443
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: episodes on the public feed and then kind of morphing

444
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 4: our Patreon into just truly bonus content. So so then yeah,

445
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: we're able to over time kind of evolve our business

446
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 4: model to be able to make multiple streams of income.

447
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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you because like the I'm

448
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: always so curious about, like how I can Brown Girls

449
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: making money? So, like, what are your streams of income

450
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: you know that you're currently like, oh, yes.

451
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, Patreon, that's a big one. Ads on the podcast.

452
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: We're diving now, trying to dive into social media monetizing Instagram, TikTok. Eventually,

453
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: we just did our first live event for the Bachelorette

454
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Speaker 4: premiere that just.

455
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Speaker 2: Oh, like a ticketed thing where people can join you

456
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Speaker 2: to watch.

457
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Speaker 1: For that.

458
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Speaker 3: It was in person event, in person event really yeah

459
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Speaker 3: at a bar in Brooklyn?

460
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Speaker 4: That is no, wait a minute, watch parties.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, gotcha. Yes, I do you remember seeing

462
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: that in social and being like, yeah, I got to

463
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 2: be in Brooklyn and why do I live?

464
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm in West Es.

465
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry, I just don't know at what point

467
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: in our relationship to confess to you that I don't

468
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: watch The Bachelor.

469
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Speaker 4: I do.

470
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Speaker 3: That's okay.

471
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Speaker 4: I mean we're talking a lot about The Bachelor, but

472
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: we we cover a lot of others.

473
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Speaker 2: You branched out. Yeah, I excited for your sex and

474
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: the City recaps. I'm kind of saving those. But yeah,

475
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: the way that I found them tip was through their

476
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: Bridgerton content and the same thing I imagine what the

477
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: Bachelorette fans felt is exactly what I felt when I

478
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 2: saw y'all on I G I was like, yes, like,

479
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: where has this conversation been Because Bridgerton is not I mean,

480
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: it is shondaland it is diverse and all of that,

481
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Speaker 2: but everyone who's talking about Bridgerton in the podcast s

482
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: based doesn't. It just does not, even if they're not white,

483
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: Like they're not having the same kinds of key, key

484
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: conversations like you guys are having.

485
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: And I was like that click yes of like how

486
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: talking about Cresceda's hair. I'm very road, I said, yes,

487
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: my tambourine. I just I feel like black humor is

488
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: unmatched because like we're so un serious, right, mean, everything

489
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: can be hiked on and so like and just stuff

490
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: that you you might have thought in your head and

491
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Speaker 1: so when you bring it up, you're like I was

492
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: thinking that but not consciously, and so it just I

493
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: was I was literally rewatching it today and I was

494
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Speaker 1: how it happened.

495
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Speaker 2: So can we back up a little bit. I'm the

496
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Speaker 2: career girly here. I want to hear about what were

497
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: y'all doing nine to five before this? And when did you,

498
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: like what did y'all together decide like we're ready to

499
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: leave nine to five? And like, how do you divide

500
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Speaker 2: the labor? Because that something Tiffany and I are still working,

501
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: not working through but like can shift over time.

502
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in and out of so many different jobs.

503
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: I probably had one, two, three, four solid jobs like

504
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: nine to fives before I quit and did the podcast

505
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: full time, and most of them were with terrible bosses.

506
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have ever worked with

507
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: like an agency or like smaller agencies that you know,

508
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: may be like third party people, like a recruiting agency,

509
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: any kind of agency, any kind of like you know,

510
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: I worked for a promotional products company. I worked for

511
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: a third party hr tech company. I worked for it.

512
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Speaker 4: You know.

513
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Speaker 3: I worked for a nonprofit. The nonprofit was probably the

514
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: worst job I've ever had.

515
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: I've been trying to tell you about nonprofits.

516
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: It was the worst. And it was all women too.

517
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: It was all women mostly want to color, and it

518
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: was the worst job I've ever had by far. But

519
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: I also worked with a lot of white male coke

520
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: heads in agency space. That was a big thing. So

521
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: I worked with like a lot of mediocrity. I learned

522
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: how to maneuver a lot of different spaces. But it

523
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: wasn't until I got to the last job I was

524
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: at that I actually learned how to run a business

525
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 3: because they were actually doing well. And I never poo

526
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 3: pooh on people who have nine to fives or the

527
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: nine to five lifestyle, because honestly, if you are in

528
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: a group of people who is working towards one goal

529
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: and you somewhat like each other. That's it, Like that's

530
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: the goal. There's no none of this, Like you got

531
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Speaker 3: to get an LLC. You don't have to just sit

532
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 3: down and work somewhere where you get in study check.

533
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: Is fine, But that job over COVID became a bad job.

534
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: It was a great job until it wasn't. And so

535
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: when we started making when I started making more on

536
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: the podcast that I did in my nine to five,

537
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: that's when I quit because I was like, this is

538
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: not I might as well invest in this other thing.

539
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: If they're not going to promote. Didn't get promoted one

540
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: time when I was I was there for three and

541
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: a half years and I had the most clients out

542
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: of everybody. I had the biggest book of business, and

543
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: I never got promoted once in three years, like one

544
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: race maybe two.

545
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: So but you built something else and you like build

546
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: your way out of it, which is incredible.

547
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. The best career advice I actually got for

548
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: black girls and any black girls listening, especially if you're

549
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: working on your own business, working on your own little

550
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: like side hustle, be invisible, be invisible at work because

551
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 3: they're never they're going to be gooped and gagged. When

552
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: you quit.

553
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people will be like, underestimate me and

554
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, because it's the best. I was getting

555
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: an award and like, I don't know these white people

556
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: giving me an award. And I was sitting at a

557
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: table and I could tell by the way everybody was

558
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: ignoring me. They were like, girl, what is this black

559
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: girl at her tail? And then when they're like and

560
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: the award for the baddest bitch goes to Tiffany, I

561
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: like it was my and then of course I want

562
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: to be my bestie.

563
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Speaker 4: I was rich.

564
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

565
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Speaker 4: You know.

566
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Speaker 1: I loved a gig, especially as a black girl, because

567
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: they love to think is that you've seen it first class?

568
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: It is? It is?

569
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Speaker 4: It is?

570
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: Is that your yes, that's me who. I remember one

571
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: time I was literally speaking at a place. I heard

572
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: a woman say she must be testing the mic. I said, oh,

573
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I came to and when it was part of the keynote,

574
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: I was like, me, me, me, me. I love a

575
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: good group of gags, so I love that for you.

576
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Just see.

577
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: Natasha, what about you?

578
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was working in high reed.

579
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Speaker 4: At UH at Columbia University doing undergraduate career counseling. It's

580
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: working with the undergrad students help figure out what they

581
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: want to do with their life. So I've also been

582
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: in this kind of career readiness space as well. And yeah,

583
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: my whole career prior to that had been in education

584
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: nonprofit so primarily working with low income students of color

585
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 4: college access like that space. So yeah, I was working

586
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: at Colombia while we were doing the podcast, and then

587
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: on the side, I was also running a family run nonprofit,

588
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: so juggling the three, trying to do all three.

589
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: And I left.

590
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: Colombia when we started making good money at the podcast.

591
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: I left Columbia to go run the nonprofit and supplement

592
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: my running of the nonprofit with the money we're making

593
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: at the podcast. And my goal at the time was,

594
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: you know, the podcasts, Oh, yes, it's going to be

595
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: a fun, little creative side hustle, make some money whatever,

596
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: but I'm going to try to go over to the

597
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: nonprofit and get a salary and we're going to fundraise

598
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 4: and whatever. And then in the three years that I

599
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: was with the nonprofit, realized how hard it is to

600
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: fundraise a salary. And run a board and run this

601
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: program with these kids, and our podcast was just like

602
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: taking off, and so the thing that was my side

603
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: hustle ended up becoming like I need to actually put

604
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 4: more effort into this thing. So that was yeah, a

605
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 4: different like that was very difficult to kind of like

606
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: figure out how to navigate these you know, different passions

607
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: of mine and then also kind of have a real

608
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: moment with myself like, oh, this podcast is like this

609
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: is a real thing that can really be successful and

610
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: pay our bills and like, you know, be the main thing.

611
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: So we left our respective jobs at different times. I

612
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: went first and was doing the nonprofit and doing you know,

613
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: the podcast on the side, and then just Seine eventually

614
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: left her job to do full time on the podcast,

615
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 4: and then eventually I then left the nonprofit to do

616
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: the podcast. So like almost had like two I almost

617
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: left my job to but but yeah, it was interesting

618
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: just kind of doing it at different times and then

619
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: also just like supporting each other through it. Yeah, because

620
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: I think I think for me and Justine, like I've

621
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: always been very entrepreneurial, Like I've always known I wanted

622
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: to work for myself. I've I've always had little side

623
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: hustles and businesses and just knew I was going to

624
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: work for myself at some point in time. I also

625
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: come from two parents who run businesses. I've kind of

626
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: grown up seeing this, So for me, betting on myself

627
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 4: was scary, but like it's kind of the only thing

628
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: I knew that I was going to do. Ever, And

629
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: I think Justine her transition is just different because I

630
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: don't think she initially and you could speak for yourself,

631
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: but entrepreneurship wasn't something you like strove for. It kind

632
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: of like happened to you and never.

633
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it does still crazy, still crazy now cople

634
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: of years since.

635
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Y'all have been flying free. Yeah three, Okay, do you

636
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: feel because I'm a I would still consider I don't

637
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: know which of I don't know what's the side hustle

638
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: as a brown ambition or is it my career practice?

639
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: Like I don't know they're the same, Like it's really like,

640
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: but I'm just curious because I'm like I'm wondering for y'all,

641
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: Like when do you feel like, all right, like I'm

642
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: taking it better myself. This is steady, steady as it's

643
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: going to get because I think for sure during the

644
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: pandemic starting businesses, especially around podcasting, it became really hot.

645
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: Like there's literally people who build businesses teaching people how

646
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: to build a podcast business. And I wonder where a

647
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: lot of the people who started those shows during the

648
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: pandemic are today. Are they still around? So for y'all,

649
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: what do you think, where does that longevity come from

650
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: for you? And what do you think has been a

651
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: part of that success of just sticking around and keeping

652
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: it steady and keeping the income flowing.

653
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest lessons for me in

654
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: entrepreneurship that I'm still learning every day. It's like a

655
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: mantra every day, is that that's not there. It's not

656
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: steady unless you invented uber or lyft, like it's even

657
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: not steady. And even then, even then, it's just not.

658
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: It's like not what you think it's good. It's not

659
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: a nine to five. If you want steady, go get

660
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: a nine to five. And it tests my It triggers

661
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: my emotions, it triggers my inner child. All the time.

662
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: I grew up in a really really kind of rough

663
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: situation with money. You know, I was homeless twice growing up,

664
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: Like this is a lot for me to have an

665
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: income that is so influx. But I think some of

666
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: the lessons that I've learned and why me and Natasha

667
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: are so great together is that she has such faith

668
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: in the business that she dreams so big for us,

669
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: and I am the grounder that I'm like, woh wait.

670
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: But I think it's really really helpful for me and

671
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: really a blessing for me to work with buddy who

672
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: comes from entrepreneurship, who believes in entrepreneurship so strongly as

673
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: Natasha does.

674
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: That personality dynamic I think is key. Well, I don't

675
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: know about I have the secret entrepreneurial like you know,

676
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: I do carry the passion.

677
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well you know what it is for Mandy

678
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: and is a little dif because I've been the budget.

679
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: SA just turned sixteen last week.

680
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I believe it.

681
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell, she's a whole teenager? What

682
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: an attitude?

683
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have your book on my bookshelf. Also with money, Yes,

684
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: with money.

685
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: I'll be gagging myself because I don't even.

686
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: Know how I got here.

687
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know it.

688
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: To your point, Justine, it is even sixteen years in

689
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: there's times and I'm like, well, I did the best

690
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: I could's opened.

691
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: Today. Yeah, So what.

692
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I learned is that it doesn't get easier, but you

693
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: get better. And that's what I learned. Okay, it's only

694
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: going to get more challenged or whatever. But what used to, like,

695
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, freak me out before it doesn't freak me

696
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: out is harder things, bigger things, right, And I learned

697
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: to create some stability with my personal finances, so the

698
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: business finances doesn't. It doesn't freak me out as much

699
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well it would take a lot for

700
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: the budget. Nista might have trouble, but Tiffany has created

701
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: some financial security for herself, so that helped a lot too.

702
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I'm not fit for a regular work,

703
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: you know now, because I'm like, who am I gonna

704
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: work for after sixteen years of doing this? And yeah yeah,

705
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I was in education you know for a really long time,

706
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: like ten years before I switched over here. But as

707
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: far as Brian and Bish and Mandy, I mean, it's

708
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: hard for me because like the budget, NISAM is the

709
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: thing that pays all the bills, not just mine but

710
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: the team, you know. And so I have Branna bishin

711
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: which I think I guess I would say Brown and

712
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: Bishion is kind of like my side hustle, but it pulls.

713
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: But I'm like I it wouldn't be enough to support me.

714
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: And there's no team here out like you know, I

715
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: got to look after Akisha. They low good, they're Tracy

716
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: care and you know, on the on the team. So

717
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: for me, there's like this. I have a hard time

718
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: sometime figuring out where to put the energy because a

719
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: Bunjeanista is still so much, very much depends on me

720
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: being there and super present, and so I'm not gonna

721
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: lie Mandy. Sometimes I feel guilty because I'm just like

722
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: I can't be here as much.

723
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: We are kind of like a married couple sometimes, and

724
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: that like I because I Tiffany and I we had

725
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: this like I can say we haven't ye behind the

726
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: scenes a little bit like Tiffany and I recently have

727
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: the past couple of months kind of had a discussion

728
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: about how the show is doing, and I'm constantly like, like,

729
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: come on, we are barely scratching this surface of where

730
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: we could be all this kind of stuff, and I

731
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'm ready, I'm going to

732
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: put aside. I'm going to diminish my business, my like

733
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: personal Mandy money thing, so that I can put more

734
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: energy into the show. It's almost like when you as

735
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: a couple, like you can't both have a killer, like

736
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: a huge business at the same time. I mean you can,

737
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: but if you have like unlimited resources tons of support.

738
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: But even then it puts a strain on the relationship

739
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: and to have one person who's willing to be like,

740
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a step back in my career

741
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: so you can go to grad school.

742
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: And then I feel I need to.

743
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Feel bad because I'm like, what I got to one

744
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: of us? I do think you need? I think that's

745
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: very really real.

746
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, what do you think you'll I

747
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: feel you Tiffany, Definitely, when I was running the nonprofit,

748
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: I often felt a lot of guilt, feeling like I

749
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 4: was like a halfway partner for the scene, particularly after

750
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: she she left her job to do this, and then

751
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm still like, I don't know, just kind of being

752
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: dragged along because I was still so committed to the

753
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: nonprofit and hadn't yet known yet what I was going

754
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: to do, and so so yeah, that could definitely be

755
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: difficult and trying to figure out like what is the

756
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: side hustle?

757
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: What is the real thing?

758
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: Like where do I allocate my energy? Yeah, and it's

759
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: a lot of energy, just like code switching between the

760
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: different jobs that you're doing. And so just kind of

761
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 4: like realizing that, just like facing that myself and then

762
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: vocalizing that to Justine. I think once I started being

763
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: very honest with her about I'm struggling, like, girl, I

764
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: want to be here, but like I have these twenty

765
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: kids in this program, and I'm also trying to like

766
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: tend to like I'm trying to figure this out, and

767
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: so just letting her in so that she can give

768
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 4: me grace or really understand what I was going through.

769
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: But then, yeah, I do agree, like these are these relationships,

770
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: these business relationships, it is almost like a marriage. Like

771
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: at some point I'm on the up and then I

772
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: got to support her. She's on the op and she's

773
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: got to support me. And I think, just like a relationship,

774
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 4: the key thing is communication and just being very honest

775
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: with the other person so resentment doesn't breed, so that yeah,

776
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: so that their tension doesn't just bubble underneath the surface

777
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 4: because we're both just trying our best and we both

778
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: are just going through things in our own respective lives

779
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: and we just got to be honest with each other

780
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 4: about it.

781
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: One thing. I feel like, that's what I love about,

782
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: like my relationship with Mandy, because we are really open

783
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: and honest about this is what I can't do, this

784
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: is what I can't do, and what I honestly Mandy.

785
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever told you. I sometimes

786
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Joe asked me like something like, is it okay if

787
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: I take over this, this and that? I'm like, please,

788
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Because in every area of my life I'm the big boss.

789
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: I know, I know, you know, like because I.

790
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: Have several businesses, I'm the big boss. Everywhere, I am

791
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: the big So it's so nice to be.

792
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: Like do you hear yourself? But you're like, I mean like,

793
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: I'm a baddie and business all the time. So when

794
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: I come home to Brown and exactly what girl, I'll.

795
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: Say right like this, I love it because it's like

796
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: because I have to trust you obviously, because girl, you can't.

797
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: What is it Jill Scott say, if you can tell

798
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: me what to do, you can tell me what to do.

799
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: But if you can't tell me what to do.

800
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: You can't tell me what to do.

801
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Yes, And so I trust Mandy so she can tell

802
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: me what to do, you know, especially as somebody who

803
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: is like dominant in every other area like here, I'm

804
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: like Mandy, I'm more than open to be led. Where

805
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: do you want me to stand? How do you want

806
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: it to go? I trust you because I know you're

807
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: always going to do what's best for both of us,

808
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: and you're not going to put us in a position

809
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: that is a misaligned with how we want to show up.

810
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually like that that. Like here, I

811
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: don't have to be the boss, you know, I'm here

812
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: to to support and show up and and but also too,

813
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that, like you know, like

814
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: cause I know we had our therapists on before doctor Jory.

815
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't want Mandy to feel our therapist.

816
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: What I mean, it was like myself. We had just amasic,

817
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, therapy for black girls, the founder.

818
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: Ye doctor Joy.

819
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but she is the group there that for

820
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: all of us, you know, meaning like you know, for

821
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: all the black girls. But she came on. I didn't

822
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: want Mandy to feel that, like because it came up Mandy,

823
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: right that you thought, like if I don't do all this,

824
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: then Tiffany won't show up, and I'm like, that's not

825
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: I literally show up because you're my friend, you know,

826
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: and so like you don't have to do anything to

827
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: qualify for the friendship, like that is solidified, and I

828
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: show up because you're here, and then you know, the

829
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: Brown ambition part is like secondary to me. So yeah,

830
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: I still carry a little bit of the guilt, like

831
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: is that good? Is Daddy good? Because I know in

832
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: a minute.

833
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: I think for it's just different because we I don't

834
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: ever foresee a time when like there is no budy,

835
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: Like we're not You're not going to leave your nine

836
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: to five being your budget ees to business to like

837
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: go full time. And I don't want that. Like I

838
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: think there's a world. It's it's abundance, you know what

839
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Like there's going to be enough for all

840
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: of us. But for me right now, I have to

841
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: prioritize like the two things. I have a book that

842
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I'm working on, and I can't do business and Brown

843
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: ambition and book at the same time. Plus I got

844
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: these kids you told me to do that I don't

845
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 2: know and I won't care about this live event though,

846
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: So how was it? What did you guys learn is

847
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: it good for money? Should we do one?

848
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: It was good, it was good. We did not do

849
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: it was in person. What we have the leverage of

850
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: doing is not doing a live podcast show. We did

851
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: a watch party. So the total of us speaking was

852
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 3: probably like thirty to thirty five minutes. Probably wasn't even

853
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: that long.

854
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: Because the show is the Bachelor is the show that's clever.

855
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we just had the venue. What we did

856
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: learn is we have to test the tech before we

857
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: get there because the microphones went out so we were screaming.

858
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm amazed that we have voices, both of us because

859
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: we were screaming at the back of the theater. It

860
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: was a lot, but also learned. I don't know about you, Natasha,

861
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: but I really felt this yesterday. I am a podcaster

862
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 3: full time. I am Justine standing on her own. I'm

863
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: not working for two black girls, one rose. That's something

864
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: that I have to learn all the time. Mandy, I

865
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: don't know if you feel like that all the time.

866
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: But when people come to me and they're like, oh

867
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: my god, congratulations on your engagement and like all these

868
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: personal things about me, I'm like, oh, I don't work

869
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: for two black girls, like I am it. Oh you

870
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: know you know what I'm saying.

871
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, that switch, Okay, you know what I mean?

872
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: Like because sometimes I really like that separation of like, oh,

873
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: I work with two black girls on Rose. It's like

874
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: the identity, right, it's my drag name, it's my projection,

875
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: it's my mask, right, But it's not. I'm just seeing

876
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: they know me. They want to take a selfie with me,

877
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 3: Say well, Nadasha, you know yeah yeah.

878
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: The parasocial relationship I mean was like you mentioned, like

879
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 4: code switching.

880
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: I don't think I coached. We don't think we coach

881
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: switch at all for this show. Maybe to our own

882
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: We just I don't know. It's too exhausting to be.

883
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: Do you think you're different Tiffany in the Budgenessa space

884
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: than you are here?

885
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because in the language, Well no, I am a

886
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: little different here because in the Bundanisa space, I have

887
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: to carry everything, you know, so I feel like I

888
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: like like a balloon. I have to inflate my personality anymore.

889
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: So like the Budgetissa like is like Tiffany inflated, you know,

890
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: and so like you know, but here I can be

891
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: more reflective. I can be more quiet, I can be

892
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: like you, but there it's like, girlf I'm quiet anybody talking,

893
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and so I have to be

894
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: more and more. We're here, there's times of many be talking.

895
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yes, so I have I feel like

896
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: here I'm more Tiffany than I am Budgetista, if that

897
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: makes sense, because like I'm talking to my friend, Tiffany

898
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: is talking to Mandy, her friend here, you know, and

899
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: so like, I don't have to be the budget Nissa here,

900
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: which I like, I said, That's why I really enjoy it,

901
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: because the Budgetisa is like me being on which is cool,

902
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, but you know it can be you know,

903
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: it could be a lot. But as far as code switching,

904
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: as far as our language and stuff like that, now

905
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: you know.

906
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Natasha, do you also feel like kind of

907
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: weirded out when people know stuff about you and you're like, wait,

908
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: I guess I did say that on the show. Yes,

909
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: people do listen.

910
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: I know.

911
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, yeah, And the parasocial relationship

912
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: is interesting. It was definitely like very highlighted yesterday with.

913
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: Meeting people of the community.

914
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 4: It was just I felt a little weird. It's nice

915
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 4: meeting people that listen to us. I mean, they only

916
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 4: have positive things to say. And there's you know, a

917
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 4: woman who just had a baby and she's like, oh yah,

918
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: I listened to throughout my whole pregnancy. And another woman

919
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: lost her sister and was emotional sharing how this was

920
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: something that connected her and her sister. Likes it's beautiful

921
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: to know what our podcast mean. Just Sined is kicking

922
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: every week, you know, is doing for people on the

923
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 4: other side. But yeah, it can be a little strange

924
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 4: too because I feel sometimes very distant and I kind

925
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: of like the distance. I like to just say what

926
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: I need to say, post the clip, cut the little video,

927
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: put it on Instagram. I generally stay out of the comments.

928
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: I don't want to read too much. I just kind

929
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: of almost forget that there's like another side to it.

930
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: So doing the live events, this is a new space

931
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: we're going into. It's definitely something that's going to like

932
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: stretch me in ways and be challenging, but it's not

933
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: I would say the cons didn't outweigh the pros. Like, definitely,

934
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 4: we had a lot of fun and it was mostly

935
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: very positive and really cool to just meet people who Yeah,

936
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 4: just enjoyed listening to us, regardless of whether they know things

937
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: about me or not.

938
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 3: Like it's a little weird. I can get over it.

939
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: I can't wait for our first live show till you know.

940
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm planning it. I love a baby. You can just

941
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: show up, don't worry. I'm doing I'm like home, there's

942
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: going to be a dress on the bed.

943
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: Oh God.

944
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: Was waiting outside.

945
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: So business a little bit. I want to get in

946
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: the business of the business. So it is like because

947
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: I want people to understand, like you know that podcasting

948
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: can be really lucrative. You know, like Manny and I

949
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: have definitely had six figure years and not six figure years.

950
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: You know, is a podcast? Is it a six figure business?

951
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: Is a seven figure business? Is it multi six figures?

952
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: You don't have give it your exact but like I

953
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: know people are curious of like what range like the

954
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: podcast falls into.

955
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, it's a six figure business supporting ourselves full

956
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 4: time on this.

957
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: Like six figures that you get to take home individually

958
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: or six figures collectively. Look at me like, yeah, wow, buddy,

959
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: now this is the probet. This is the budget these

960
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: department before I'm like because it's good for the girlies

961
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: to know, like, like, look what you can do. Like

962
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I love what I see my niece familiar Lily because

963
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, she's like, I want to be

964
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: on Netflix and I was like, wow, She's like I

965
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: saw you on Netflix. I'm like, oh, you know, or

966
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: she's like you know, because I want them to see.

967
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: It's important to see what's out there. You know, the

968
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: world will tell you there's only one way for you

969
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: to be successful, and like you guys get to be

970
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: successful being yourself. So I like for people to know, like,

971
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, the average person, what does the average person make,

972
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: like less than sixty thousand dollars a year or something like.

973
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: That, you know America total or yeah, I think so

974
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: statewide because I just saw. Actually, my fiance has told

975
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: me that the average income in New Jersey went from

976
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: sixty five thousand to ninety thousands in the course of

977
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: like five years because of what happened to Jersey City. Oh,

978
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: because everybody's just everybody moved. Everybody moved and Newark I

979
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 3: live in. Yeah, I was about to say, you know, Tiffany.

980
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: You wanted to be look at me. We get up

981
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: the average in Newark. No, but I like for people

982
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: to know that, like, because people told me when I started, like,

983
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, my business, that like, oh, you basically can't

984
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 1: make good money serving black women. I'm like, watch me work.

985
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, I got a lot when I was like,

986
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: this is my audience.

987
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's curious interesting. I think. You know what

988
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: I always tell people, especially people who want to go

989
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: into podcasting and they really want a podcast, because whenever

990
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: I say I'm a full time podcast, that's what people say,

991
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want to get into it. How

992
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: do you do it? How do you do it? If

993
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: you have something to say that nobody has said you

994
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: will you have a chance of having a business. If

995
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 3: you have not done your competitor research and there is

996
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: eighteen other podcasts that are best friends talking on the cat,

997
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: then you will not make anything that you're doing it

998
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: for fun, Okay, you're doing it for fun. And also

999
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: if you're going into a creative business with the goal

1000
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: of money in mind, you should probably rethink that.

1001
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: Well, I would put it a caveat of like if

1002
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: you are coming from a place where you don't have

1003
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: a platform yet, like if you don't already have it,

1004
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: because like how many bachelorettes have their own podcasts? Now?

1005
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: Like how many reality stars then? Like yeah, or like

1006
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: people who have a bit of like a you know,

1007
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: they have a bit of something. What I love about

1008
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: our show and yours is like I think the audience

1009
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: really gets like they grow with you and when you

1010
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: have built the platform alongside them. I don't know, maybe

1011
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm just making it up to make myself feel really good,

1012
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: which is fine, why not. But I think our fans

1013
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: the reason like we love they love us, we love

1014
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: them so much, is like we have earned it or

1015
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: not just like coming to us from somewhere else. I mean,

1016
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: I guess that's no. You had a platform, Tiffany, you

1017
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: were growing a budgetista alongside it. But you get what I'm saying,

1018
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: just like building it alongside your audience, and that does

1019
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: take time, yes, time time, you know, before you are

1020
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: making that kind of money. Yeah, And I think it's

1021
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't feel like you have to come into it

1022
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: like oh this is not going to be a business.

1023
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: But I do feel like it's a lot easier if

1024
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: you just do it for fun and you're having a

1025
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: good time.

1026
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1027
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: Because then like the amount of time, like to be

1028
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: here giving energy, like to not enjoy it, like you said,

1029
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: when it felt like it was work for y'all. Yeah,

1030
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: that's I hate that feeling.

1031
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're fortunately, I was My income came from my

1032
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: business and Mandy had, you know, full time job, and

1033
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: so it allowed us to do a thing and figure

1034
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: out our way with that being like ha ha, how

1035
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: are you gonna pay these bills? You know? And then

1036
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: one day it starts to make money. And I think

1037
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: the first time you were like, we have money, I'm like,

1038
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: where he's like in her making.

1039
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Me forgot about it.

1040
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, we have money, where's money coming from?

1041
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's right, because if we'd add but you

1042
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: don't really because it was years what was it, how

1043
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: many years in Mandy before even like at least four years?

1044
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Five years?

1045
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1046
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 3: It definitely takes time.

1047
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Justina and I we work really hard and

1048
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: we're still not making nearly as much as we want

1049
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: to be making. And we've been doing this for six years.

1050
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: I think podcasting is very much the wild wild West.

1051
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 4: Agencies are figuring out what the hell they're doing. Podcasts

1052
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 4: are fringing out the hell we're doing. We've shifted our

1053
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 4: business model two three times. We're figuring things out. So

1054
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 4: it's a lot of like trial and error, experimenting, giving

1055
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 4: different agencies and managers and different people a chance, trying

1056
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 4: different opportunities, just seeing what sticks. And we work really

1057
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: hard and it's not nine to five twenty four. It's

1058
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 4: around the closing for seven. Our editor lives in Toronto Vancouver.

1059
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: Before we were working on different time zones and trying

1060
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 4: to you know, respond to her late nights to make

1061
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: sure she has what she needs. And so we work

1062
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: hard and we're not making what we want to make yet,

1063
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: but we're figuring it out and we still have longevity

1064
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 4: to be doing the six years in and supporting each

1065
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: of our lives. I'm about to buy how she's getting married, Like,

1066
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: we're grateful for.

1067
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: What we do having though it's not everything.

1068
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, the coin is cute already, and I get it,

1069
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, like I get it, Like, but no, that

1070
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: is tremendous. What is it? The average business doesn't last

1071
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: two years and then and then after that yeah, like literally,

1072
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: like I think more than fifty percent of businesses fail

1073
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: after two years, and then there's another cliff at year.

1074
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 3: Five that Cliff was wild. If five five was crazy,

1075
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: we felt it. At five our five year anniversary dinner,

1076
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: we had a private lounge. We went all out or

1077
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: we lasted five.

1078
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: Man. You know.

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00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: And then once you start to and to your point, Justine,

1080
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: like you said before, you have to adjust your expectation

1081
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: that it's going to be like one day I'll be

1082
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: like it's all good. No, because I mean I think

1083
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: about like Lord and Taylor, where's she at man right

1084
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: towards us? Would you hear me? Like, yeah, you know

1085
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, there's no such thing as Steve

1086
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: Job said at best he said, at some point every

1087
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: business closes, right, you know, the key is that what

1088
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: you're doing the pivot right, that's really important that if

1089
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: you can say, hey, this business model was working, but

1090
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: now we are pivoting to a different business model because

1091
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: the audience has shifted or technology has shifted. I think

1092
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: that people who were going to make it in business

1093
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: in general is those who get really good at pre pivoting.

1094
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: It's like not waiting for external to force your hand

1095
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: to kind of like time travel a little bit. Be

1096
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm hearing the girls whisper about

1097
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, like whatever this thing is, and you start

1098
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: the work now, so by the time it really gets rough,

1099
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: you're like, already have a year of working. We're just

1100
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: making that transition. And so folks who are really good

1101
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: at pre pivoting, like those are the ones who really

1102
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: get to last a long time.

1103
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also like being okay to pivot too, Like, yeah,

1104
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: I had to swallow some you know, tough bills with

1105
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: going one direction and realizing this ain't working.

1106
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, working, Yeah, we gotta pivot.

1107
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 4: I think our recent like shifting our business model and

1108
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 4: or actually, I'll talk about our mission. For five years

1109
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: we were a Bachelor podcast. After a while that wasn't

1110
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: working for us. Our audience will eat up Bachelor content

1111
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: all day long, but for Justine and I as individuals personally,

1112
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 4: we wanted to mature the brands and we want to

1113
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: talk about other things than just the Bachelor. And so

1114
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: it's not to say that our model wasn't working and

1115
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: the mission wasn't working, but it wasn't working for us personally.

1116
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: So we needed to pivot and be okay with that.

1117
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: And that was a bit scary because we don't want

1118
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: people to jump ship, but we had to do what

1119
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: was best for us to continue to maintain the business

1120
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 4: and have fun and still do it. So yeah, there's

1121
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: definitely I think with the entrepreneurship, a big thing is

1122
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 4: just learning when to swallow the pill and say, you

1123
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: know what, we got to go a different direction and

1124
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 4: be okay with that and feel the scariness of it,

1125
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 4: but know that it's going to be okay on the

1126
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 4: other side once you you know, bust through.

1127
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: So do you have what has there been a dip

1128
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: or do you notice like the Bachelor pod episodes or

1129
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: like still the hottest and then like the other ones

1130
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: are behind or like growing? Is that what it's been difficult?

1131
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: I guess you know what it is really is access.

1132
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: As long as people have access to what we are covering,

1133
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: we are pretty successful with it. Okay, So that's why

1134
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: Netflix has been so successful with us because so many

1135
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: people have access to Netflix. So really our top show

1136
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: is actually Love is Blind.

1137
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 4: Love is Blind?

1138
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saving you to go back and.

1139
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: See, like that's that's where we get.

1140
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: So I don't watch The Bachelor because what what channel

1141
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: is it on?

1142
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: ABC?

1143
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: Where do you watch it if you don't have ABC

1144
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: like regularly?

1145
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: VP?

1146
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you have right, don't.

1147
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: Play me stop.

1148
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: It was like damn.

1149
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: He was like nap bag.

1150
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: Because they got Gree's anatomy gras anatomies. Okay, that's where

1151
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: they got me from. Interesting because that we've slept, we've

1152
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: only been ad based. It's been like the only because

1153
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: we've just been like, oh, this is fun money. But

1154
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't want it to be fun money anymore. I

1155
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: wanted to pay for my kids college education, Thank you

1156
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: very much. It can So that can't happen if we're

1157
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: just getting ad revenue, especially in this economy with like

1158
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: the changes to the algorithm and like how how downloads

1159
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: have been impacted and stuff like that. So I'm really

1160
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: interested in like the different ways. So we haven't done

1161
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: a Patreon. Tiffany has because she's smart and she's in

1162
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: charge of her business. She's not in charge of this.

1163
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: I got to catch up. We need to be on

1164
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: the Patriot and then the live events. I mean that

1165
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: to me is not a sustainable like long term revenue

1166
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: because it requires so much of us in person. And

1167
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: I think Tiffany and I like, if we're going to

1168
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: do it, it has to be like really meaningful, big,

1169
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: like I don't know, just special but yeah, and then

1170
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: I think brand partnerships and doing like all around deals

1171
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: with a brand versus having like when you sponsor a

1172
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: thirty second spot on our show, No, I want brand

1173
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: ambition brought to you by Mitsubchi.

1174
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: Sounds good. The foreign cards runs.

1175
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: That came from Shake Moisture whatever the fuck?

1176
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I love.

1177
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: A good same word. And you're my Patreon because I

1178
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: have a Patreon for business owners. It's not personal finance,

1179
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: but so many people are like, oh my gosh, you've

1180
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: won so many successful business and Tifnaney, you know, can

1181
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: you be my mentor? And I was like, I mean,

1182
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: and I do have ment that about like ten mentees

1183
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: that I talked to on the phone. And then half

1184
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: of my friends are our business owners. And so even

1185
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: today I was like meeting with a woman who you know,

1186
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: she has some big business, but then she's asking me

1187
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: all these questions supposed to be a fifteen minute meeting.

1188
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: An hour later, I was like, and call this person

1189
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: and ask for this person and here's the email I

1190
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: can say. Because being a business for so long, there's

1191
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: so much access. And I'm just like, girl who's gamekeeping?

1192
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Not me? I'm don't be brown. Yeah, business. I'm like,

1193
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: here you go all the things so you don't mess

1194
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: up like I did. Yeah, I got that question. So

1195
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: I bought the I bought the domain my mentor, Tiffany

1196
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: dot com, and I sent them to Patreon and then

1197
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: I launched it. I was like the girls, I said,

1198
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: I was like ten bucks a month. I'm like, are

1199
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: they going to sign up? Twenty five hundred people signed

1200
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: up in twenty four hours? What do the math on that?

1201
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: Twenty five hundred?

1202
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: That? Wow?

1203
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: Yes, So it was like a two hundred fifty thousand

1204
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: dollars a year business from like off the gate. And

1205
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: then I've since raised it to twenty bucks a month.

1206
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: And I'm still black girls. One rose Patreon.

1207
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how much we have five, ten, fifteen okay?

1208
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh three tiers okay.

1209
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: And it gets you three different levels of content or

1210
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: I used.

1211
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: To have like three tiers, but it got to be

1212
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: because that's not my main focus of business. It got

1213
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: to be too wanting to try to provide. I'm like everybody,

1214
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: everybody get the same thing, and so but yeah, it's

1215
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: a cute. I used to think that, like the Patreon

1216
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: was a up coin until last year, and the coin

1217
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: was needed. I was like, hey, God, the budget, what

1218
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: we need to happen? But yeah, so I love that,

1219
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: like adding these kind of like add ons and like

1220
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: you just never know what the thing is that people

1221
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: are going to really, you know, sometimes enjoy Any.

1222
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: I think two for us because we've had a Patreon

1223
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: for so long, because we've been in the podcast business

1224
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 3: for so long. I'm sure it's the case with you

1225
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: all too. Our audience trusts us to a level that

1226
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: they don't trust other people. And that's why I'm excited

1227
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: for brand sponsorships and brand partnerships, because I'm excited for

1228
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: these brands to work with us and our audience to

1229
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: make sure they are getting the best product, because I

1230
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: do not want to lie to people Like Tiffany. I

1231
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: think that's why you're so successful because you don't gate

1232
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: keep and there's so many people who do and so

1233
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: and so many people don't have that access, and so

1234
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: many people trust you, and I really want that for

1235
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: Natasha and I, especially with our individual verticals. Natasha, you

1236
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: all can't see her apartment, but it is absolutely beautiful.

1237
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 3: She's buying a house. I cannot wait for the interior decoration.

1238
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 3: I cannot see my ahd face, I'm a real makeup girl.

1239
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: I cannot wait to talk about doing my makeup for

1240
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: my wedding. I can't wait to talk about the hair

1241
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: for my wedding and our individual verticals and getting into

1242
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: those and getting into partnerships with those because we are

1243
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: committed to not lying to these people because we have

1244
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: them for six years.

1245
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: Black women though, like we talk about like we're constantly

1246
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: putting each other on and I think, I don't want

1247
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: to say we are a slept on marketplace, but like

1248
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't think and we know this, even our network.

1249
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not doing it right, Like we could

1250
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,959
Speaker 2: be going after these brands absolutely lons of deals because

1251
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: you don't understand our people. Like when we come like

1252
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: the value isn't just like in, it's like in how

1253
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: many people are going to actually be excited to get

1254
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: the thing caught the thing that you are using or

1255
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: excited about.

1256
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: Me and may be saying no to all things. And

1257
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: I love it, Mandy, I don't think we've ever not

1258
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: because still send us an email like now and I'm like,

1259
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: oh lookom, Mandy right behind me now, Like when it

1260
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: comes to're like now you tried, Nope, nope, nope, and

1261
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: so like, I love that we're always on the same

1262
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: page of like what we're willing to do, I like

1263
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: them versus.

1264
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: Like who what elixir?

1265
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: So the girl's lo their edges No, oh my god.

1266
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 4: Girl so much with like communication, Justine and I just

1267
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 4: kind of trust to each other and each other's strengths.

1268
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 4: So I would say, just seene as like very much

1269
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 4: like our CFO money finances, budgets, projections, data numbers, measuring

1270
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: our success. Like I totally trust her in that space

1271
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 4: because I don't trust myself in that space. So just

1272
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 4: letting her lead in those areas and lead us in

1273
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 4: those areas. And then yeah, I think for me, I

1274
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 4: like to I could see myself as like the COO,

1275
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 4: like over seeing our like operations, on boarding team members,

1276
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 4: on boarding us to new systems, setting up our meeting agenda,

1277
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 4: staying on top of all the things that we're doing

1278
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 4: at any given time. And I think, yeah, just like

1279
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: project management, that's like an area that I strive in.

1280
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 4: I think Justine leans on me, And so just having

1281
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: respect for each other's strengths allowed us to not have

1282
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 4: a lot of friction when it comes to division of labor.

1283
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: And having different strengths as well, so it's not like

1284
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm not like a finance person too

1285
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to like fight with her on it.

1286
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: So I think that's been really it might not be

1287
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 4: the easiest for all partners, but for us, we've just

1288
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 4: had very clear strengths and have allowed each other just

1289
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 4: to breathe into those strengths. That was one thing I

1290
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 4: was thinking.

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Speaker 2: Is it straight fifty to fifty down the middle for

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Speaker 2: like revenue and profits?

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: That face you're like, oh sometimes.

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Speaker 4: No, because I was thinking for for division of labor,

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Speaker 4: like we can't really judge if fifty can't. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's again a.

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Speaker 2: Good point, like releasing I think when we did our

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Speaker 2: articles and incorporation, we'd put something like that. But it's

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Speaker 2: also like who's you trust that you're each like pulling

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Speaker 2: putting amount of weight that you're pulling, Yeah, exactly. And

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Speaker 2: you also don't need to check up on each other,

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Speaker 2: like you trust that you are doing the things that

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Speaker 2: you're doing, and it's not like hey, Justine, like where's

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Speaker 2: that report or where is this and like having to

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Speaker 2: catch up with you and I think for some business partnerships,

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Speaker 2: there is that like wait are they because we are friends,

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Speaker 2: there's like you're not wanting to give it. You're all

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Speaker 2: almost like you're showing up a little bit late, or like,

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Speaker 2: oh they you know we're friends, Like they'll forgive this.

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Speaker 2: This is a little bit sloppy. And I always said

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Speaker 2: about Tiffany and I the fact that we weren't really

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Speaker 2: close in the beginning almost helped because we weren't close

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Speaker 2: enough to flake on each other. I don't know, does

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Speaker 2: that make sense?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, I think we I mean, I

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Speaker 4: love just seeing like a sister, and we just have

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Speaker 4: a lot of respect for each other. And we're both

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Speaker 4: smart people, and we both are hungry, we both want this.

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Speaker 4: We both made sacrifices for this business. So I have

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Speaker 4: to just trust in her, you know, and she has

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Speaker 4: to trust in me. And we both know that we're

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Speaker 4: each pulling each other's way, and we're fighting for this business,

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Speaker 4: and we're fighting for each other, you know, because we

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Speaker 4: both have personal lives and things we want to do

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Speaker 4: in our life and and a lot of it depends

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Speaker 4: on this business. And so so yeah, I think of

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Speaker 4: really just just having tremendous respect for each other and

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Speaker 4: being and not taking things personal, being really good with

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Speaker 4: receiving feedback and giving feedback. I think we've definitely nurtured

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Speaker 4: that in our relationship that we're at a space now

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Speaker 4: that I can just speak very openly and honestly and

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Speaker 4: likewise to her, like here's an idea, Justine, you like it?

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Speaker 4: And she'd be like, bitch, that is stupid. Maybe not

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Speaker 4: that way, but like tell me honestly. And then then

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Speaker 4: there's other times I give an idea and she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: let's try it whatever. Like just having that being able

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Speaker 4: to have that clear of communication is really special, and

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Speaker 4: that's that's taken time, but that's also been just like

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Speaker 4: at the core of it, we just respect each other

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Speaker 4: and we can't take it personally.

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Speaker 2: I think that's such a great way to end this show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks again. Check

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: out Justine and Natasha, two Black Girls, One Rose. They

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: do way more than the Bachelor content. I mean, I'm

1346
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Speaker 2: going to go back. I'll check up on Love is Blind.

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Speaker 2: You guys also make me feel better about watching that

1348
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: kind of trash because I'm like, if I'm going to

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Speaker 2: have an educated conversation.

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Speaker 4: Listen all the television.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can't all be this close, and I

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Speaker 1: have lunch.

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Speaker 3: Right amazing. We got a few financial questions.

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Speaker 1: For you, you know, we got the podcast questions.

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Speaker 3: Were absolutely no, absolutely yes, for sure yes, all right, y'all.

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Speaker 1: So if you love this episode and you know you did,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and share, share, share, and leave us a

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Speaker 1: review because we love reviews, all right

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you and fam