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Speaker 4: Studies show that the toughest week to show up to
Speaker 4: work throughout the calendar year is the week in between
Speaker 4: Christmas Day and New Year's Day. That was certainly the
Speaker 4: case for the Dallas Cowboys in Philadelphia, as they did
Speaker 4: not show up to work in Week seventeen of the
Speaker 4: NFL season.
Speaker 1: They fall forty one to seven, not.
Speaker 4: To Jalen Hurts in the top offense in the league,
Speaker 4: but instead to a guy named Kenny Pickett and a
Speaker 4: guy named Tanner McKee, the second and third string quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: To talk about it. This one's tough to talk about. Gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie, Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh.
Speaker 4: Roderiguez, Tommy Yarish. We've got Chris Beam in the back,
Speaker 4: Isaiah stand back.
Speaker 1: Will rejoin us tomorrow for a Christmas Eve.
Speaker 4: Edition or excuse me, a New Year's Eve edition of
Speaker 4: Talking Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Patrick, haven't seen you in a couple of days. Welcome back.
Speaker 6: First off, glad, glad you didn't show off to work
Speaker 6: last week.
Speaker 7: Oh but we heard of showed up here. He shut
Speaker 7: up in spirit my name, I tell you. The bat
Speaker 7: signal popped up in Alabama and.
Speaker 8: I felt it. I felt spidy since was tingling Man?
Speaker 1: Love it?
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, back in the building, Happy to be back.
Speaker 9: Mischie guys, Hello a lot. That's why I had to
Speaker 9: absolutely call in once the name was mentioned.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for training camp for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 9: So yeah, but you know, I was hoping that my
Speaker 9: return today would be under better circumstances. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 9: it's just not m GB, not great, Bob. So cowboys
Speaker 9: fall to the Eagles in spectacularly bad fashion. And like
Speaker 9: you said, they didn't fall to Jalen Hurts. They fell
Speaker 9: to Kenny Elway and Tanner, Montana. That's basically what they
Speaker 9: were made to look like last night. And I mean,
Speaker 9: really it began with the implosion of the offense from
Speaker 9: the Cowboys. I mean, you do not walk into a
Speaker 9: road game, let alone against the Philadelphia Eagles and give
Speaker 9: the ball away three times in the first half and
Speaker 9: then expect to really have a chance to win their game.
Speaker 9: So talk about the two interceptions from Cooper Rush, the
Speaker 9: fumbled by Jake Ferguson. The e goes turn around and
Speaker 9: get you know, manifest seventeen points out of their first
Speaker 9: twenty four points off of those turnovers. Yeah, you were
Speaker 9: able to bounce back in your second drive after that
Speaker 9: pick six, but ultimately constantly giving the ball away, you could,
Speaker 9: and I said this to Tommy, you could kind of
Speaker 9: see the defense, Cowboys defense becoming more and more mentally
Speaker 9: defeated by the fact that they had to keep going
Speaker 9: back onto the field and then unleash the Sa Kwan
Speaker 9: Barkley and just pound you into dust from that point forward.
Speaker 8: So yeah, grit season is basically over.
Speaker 4: M HM.
Speaker 9: So that was fun while it lasted. The Eagles won
Speaker 9: and the Commanders eked out of winning overtime. So on
Speaker 9: to week eighteen, we go and yeah, roses and tombstones.
Speaker 6: That was tough. That was a really tough game.
Speaker 10: You see one starting caliber corner out there and they
Speaker 10: just decided to pick on Andrew Bruth.
Speaker 1: Oh oh god.
Speaker 8: They Yeah, we were talking about those numbers.
Speaker 6: That was rough to watch.
Speaker 10: But like you said, it did feel like the defense
Speaker 10: sort of after the ineptitude of the offense for the
Speaker 10: first half.
Speaker 6: It was just like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Tired, boss, tired perfectly. See. It was.
Speaker 6: That was tough to watch.
Speaker 10: The air left my body in the second in the
Speaker 10: first half, actually just before the first half ended it
Speaker 10: it was tough, man, Tommy, Do you.
Speaker 7: Want the Andrew Booth numbers? Yes, we get into that,
Speaker 7: let's do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm looking right at them, but please, by all
Speaker 8: means and.
Speaker 7: Monte Smith and Andrew Booth lined up on one another
Speaker 7: eight times yesterday. Smith was targeted six times. On those
Speaker 7: eight reps. He caught five of those passes. It's not
Speaker 7: good for eleven yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: What's that average? Like twenty two to two.
Speaker 7: Something like that. You're better at math than I am, am.
Speaker 9: I yeah, you did because you had to correct somebody
Speaker 9: on Twitter who wasn't so good at math when.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a different conversation.
Speaker 8: We'll talk about that, but there's your math.
Speaker 7: Is that the biggest math is that's nine yards less
Speaker 7: than his total for the game, which was one hundred
Speaker 7: and twenty. So essentially, aside from all that he caught
Speaker 7: what was it, one more pass, two more passes for
Speaker 7: nine yards Andrew Boothy gets one hundred and eleven and
Speaker 7: two touchdowns. That's not great. It's not great. And we
Speaker 7: a lot of Yeah, he hadn't moved to ir that
Speaker 7: kind of was the writing on the wall. This's gonna
Speaker 7: be a really thin cornerback room and they just couldn't
Speaker 7: get it done.
Speaker 1: And they mentioned that on the broadcast a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Greg Olsen was like, man, at some point, it was
Speaker 4: gonna raar its ugly head again. The revolving door cornerback,
Speaker 4: whether it was the Ron Bland early in the year,
Speaker 4: Trayvon Diggs, now, whether or not Jordan Lewis was available
Speaker 4: for a couple games in the middle.
Speaker 1: Of that stretch. Yeah, they they have had zero.
Speaker 4: Stability at the cornerback spot, and there have been times
Speaker 4: where every reserve has been.
Speaker 1: Picked on from the Cowboys cornerback room.
Speaker 4: We've talked about Butler at one point, We've talked about
Speaker 4: a Warria at one point, Carson at one point. This time,
Speaker 4: it just happened to be Andrew Booth. And give credit
Speaker 4: to Devonte Smith. He is a high level, elite caliber receiver,
Speaker 4: and the Eagles have two of those.
Speaker 1: That's what makes them so good.
Speaker 4: They've got two elite receivers, whereas Dallas only has the
Speaker 4: one to work with. And you saw what that looked
Speaker 4: like on Sunday.
Speaker 10: The difficult part is that it's not Jalen Hurts throwing
Speaker 10: the ball et either. You know, you had the two
Speaker 10: backup quarterbacks, the second and the third string, just like
Speaker 10: you said, Patrick, like you alluded to Chust.
Speaker 9: To George Way and turn of Montana, uh, and a
Speaker 9: lot of a large part of it was you know,
Speaker 9: of course, you go back and look at the numbers,
Speaker 9: and you look at the film and if you watch
Speaker 9: it in real time, Andrew Booth just got picked on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was absolutely.
Speaker 6: Picked on, Like where's twenty five?
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely picked on. The Only way that you could
Speaker 9: help him in that situation is to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 9: Cowboys only had four pressures yesterday four, and three of
Speaker 9: them belonged to Michael Parsons.
Speaker 8: Wow. The other belonged to Olso Diggi Zuwa.
Speaker 4: So two of the top ed rushers in football in
Speaker 4: the back half of the season only got four pressure
Speaker 4: four pressures.
Speaker 9: It's a good offense that offensive line mat when you're
Speaker 9: averaging one pressure per quarter and they've already identified the
Speaker 9: blinking light in your secondary, you're you're long for the.
Speaker 6: Ride at their toast and you can't stop the run.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you had.
Speaker 9: Nothing for that, So then it became just keeping the
Speaker 9: Cowboys defense off balance. At that point, it's like, Okay, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley,
Speaker 9: Oh hey, booth pass.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth.
Speaker 4: I And and this is not to sprinkle sugar on
Speaker 4: what was a burnt toast in the in the early
Speaker 4: parts of this game, But I was actually impressed with
Speaker 4: the way that Dallas fought in the run game.
Speaker 8: Early.
Speaker 4: They weren't getting off the chunk plays, they weren't allowing
Speaker 4: Barkley to find it. They were getting them in the backfield.
Speaker 4: And it's almost impossible to tackle Barkley for a loss,
Speaker 4: but they were close multiple times, and they forced him backwards.
Speaker 1: So that way, he only was limited to one or
Speaker 1: two yards per carry.
Speaker 4: I mean even at the end of the day, whenever
Speaker 4: he finished with a number, he did thirty one carries,
Speaker 4: one hundred.
Speaker 1: And sixty seven yards five point four yards per carry.
Speaker 1: Most of that was in the second.
Speaker 7: Correct, one hundred and twenty seven yards in the second
Speaker 7: There you go.
Speaker 1: So he was what forty yards in the first half.
Speaker 9: You know why I'm okay with that because the Cowboys
Speaker 9: couldn't stop the past correct, So then they changed coverage
Speaker 9: style to stop the pass and opened the seat or
Speaker 9: the green sea, and.
Speaker 6: Then and then they were record watching.
Speaker 10: On top of that, it's like, oh, we'll give Saquon
Speaker 10: the most carriages out of all season.
Speaker 4: Now, Oh, they were trying to get him to two
Speaker 4: k because borderline, they get him to two thousand. He's
Speaker 4: at two thousand. Now they can sit them if they want.
Speaker 4: Or going up against the Giants this week, the Eagles
Speaker 4: can possibly have against his former team one hundred and
Speaker 4: four yards and put up a I don't know, man, that's.
Speaker 7: A big former team, a chance to break the all
Speaker 7: time rushing record.
Speaker 1: It's pretty big.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I understand, I understand the risk, but it's the risk,
Speaker 11: and to be fair, I'm also of the mindset of
Speaker 11: seventeen and sixteen aren't equal, so that's kind of different
Speaker 11: from the ego see seventeen to sixteen.
Speaker 4: Hey, but when you look up single season rushing record,
Speaker 4: would say still exceedingly impressive if he were able to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 9: So I don't want to take anything away from that
Speaker 9: other than to say the facts are the facts, and
Speaker 9: if you do it in a fewer amount of games,
Speaker 9: then it's more impressive that it's not impressive, it's just more.
Speaker 10: I mean, he's still top ten considering the sixteen game
Speaker 10: window right, still top ten.
Speaker 4: Because he was a player all time to hit two
Speaker 4: thousand and he did it in sixteen games. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it was impressive. And Barkley's a specimen. We've talked about
Speaker 4: it all week. We've talked about it twice a year
Speaker 4: for every year he's been in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's foolish.
Speaker 4: There's a being there's a video circling right now that's.
Speaker 1: Some hard knocks cool man. It's bad. So it keeps
Speaker 1: resurfacing every every few weeks.
Speaker 10: Don't blame him, don't blame another kind of silver lining.
Speaker 10: This is Saquon Barkley's only good game against the Cowboys,
Speaker 10: like really really good in his career against the.
Speaker 9: Cowboys, and that is quite impressive from but I guess
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 4: It goes back to the original part of the conversation
Speaker 4: of the reason that Saquon had success in the second
Speaker 4: half as opposed to the first half was because in
Speaker 4: the first half you had guys like Kenny Pickett throwing
Speaker 4: ten of fifteen for one hundred and forty three yards
Speaker 4: in a touchdown with his quarterback rating at one twenty.
Speaker 1: Can't get much worse than that, right, Tanner McKee comes
Speaker 1: in and.
Speaker 4: Goes three of four throws for two tuddies and fifty
Speaker 4: four yards through the air.
Speaker 1: I really liked Tanner McKee as a as a Day
Speaker 1: three prospect out of the draft. I wasn't really high
Speaker 1: on Kenny.
Speaker 4: Pickett, and sure enough that didn't turn out very well
Speaker 4: for Tanner McKee.
Speaker 8: KYLEE.
Speaker 4: Oowmens guy, not a Kylie Owens guy. But I did
Speaker 4: like him out of the draft. I thought he was
Speaker 4: a draftable player. Kind of wanted Dallas to take him
Speaker 4: in this third like that Day three side of things.
Speaker 4: Instead Philadelphia did, and here he is throwing touchdown.
Speaker 9: You know what's wild to watch is when a player,
Speaker 9: a player's kryptonite is identified and there's nothing they can
Speaker 9: do about it, and it seems like every player has it.
Speaker 9: Quarterbacks have it. Right for the longest time, Peyton Mannon's
Speaker 9: krypton kite was Tom Brady, Right. So when you talk
Speaker 9: with Dak, dakx kryptonite is those folks out in San Francisco, right, sure?
Speaker 9: And even I mean Fangio really has Dak's number as well.
Speaker 9: Cooper Rush versus the Eagles, the Eagles just flat out
Speaker 9: half Cooper Rush's number. Cooper Rush is now all one
Speaker 9: three against the Philadelphia Eagles. Tommy and I were talking
Speaker 9: about it yesterday in the booth. This is the only
Speaker 9: the second multi interception game of Cooper Rush's career as
Speaker 9: an NFL started, and the first since twenty twenty two
Speaker 9: Week six, when he went up against the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 9: in Philadelphia and he gave up three interceptions, which, by
Speaker 9: the way, in that season he had no interceptions in
Speaker 9: any other game. Oh wow, So all three of his
Speaker 9: interceptions that season were against the Eagles in Philadelphia. So
Speaker 9: he was asked about it yesterday and kind of tongue
Speaker 9: in cheek. He was like, I don't know. Maybe it's
Speaker 9: the stadium, maybe I don't like the color green, whatever
Speaker 9: it might be. The Eagles just have Cooper Rush's number,
Speaker 9: and there seems like there's nothing he can do to
Speaker 9: gain any kind of leeway. I mean, in those interceptions
Speaker 9: that he threw. We've seen Cooper Rush play some solid football.
Speaker 9: That's how they got the four and one in the
Speaker 9: last five games. But those two interceptions are unforgivable.
Speaker 10: That first one was just this if he even explained.
Speaker 10: He was like, Oh, it's an option route. No, that's
Speaker 10: that's c J.
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson. It was mixed coverage.
Speaker 12: C J.
Speaker 9: Gardner Johnson. He does a two step drop and he
Speaker 9: sits in the zone. He's sitting there waiting for Brandon
Speaker 9: Cooks to come on the inside slide if he comes off.
Speaker 9: If Cooper Rush comes off of that read and sees
Speaker 9: Jake Ferguson absolutely.
Speaker 1: Toasting the line as the window right there.
Speaker 9: Not only does he have a window, Mingo has sleigh
Speaker 9: pin to the sideline. So maybe if he blocks that,
Speaker 9: then all he has to do, Jake is beat the
Speaker 9: single high safety. Best case scenario, you're down to the
Speaker 9: fifteen ten yard line. Oh, worst case scenario, you're down
Speaker 9: to the fifteen ten yard line. Best case, Jake Ferguson
Speaker 9: gets a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Then on the interception.
Speaker 9: Triple coverage, Brandon cooks his two safeties and a cornerback
Speaker 9: over there.
Speaker 3: Ar.
Speaker 9: Meanwhile, if you go back and look at that set,
Speaker 9: you have Jalen Tolbert coming free on the middle fade
Speaker 9: on the outside, you dropped that in over into his
Speaker 9: own bucket, or Jake Ferguson on a slight curl ten
Speaker 9: yards it was a third and six.
Speaker 1: Either one of those is the.
Speaker 9: First down, but Jake has yack potential after that triple coverage.
Speaker 9: As soon as the ball went in the air, Tommy
Speaker 9: and I sat back and was like, oh, because.
Speaker 8: There were three Green Jerseys ready to take that ball.
Speaker 7: I think I think Patrick and I were closer to
Speaker 7: that ball than Brandon Cook was. It wasn't along with
Speaker 7: the three defensive It looked like a punt.
Speaker 1: It was was it on punt? Yeah? It was third down?
Speaker 1: Right third?
Speaker 6: But there were still like thirty one seconds left on
Speaker 6: the clocks.
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm not saying it was excusable. No, it basically
Speaker 7: was a pun that it just gave the punt up and.
Speaker 9: Jalen Tobert is a first down option right there. Jake
Speaker 9: Ferguson is a first down plus yack option right there.
Speaker 9: But you decide on Cooks. So two of his interceptions
Speaker 9: came forcing the ball to Brandon Cooks, not coming off
Speaker 9: of the read. So those were just unforgivable and for
Speaker 9: as good, good as really really good as a tight
Speaker 9: end as Jake Ferguson is. And we all know I
Speaker 9: love me from Jake Ferguson. You got to protect the ball, Michael,
Speaker 9: you got to protect the ball. Doubt will how to
Speaker 9: fumble too. Yeah, when the Eagles go down, they score,
Speaker 9: they take the lead fourteen to seven, you're trying to
Speaker 9: answer first play of your next drive. You're tight in
Speaker 9: fumbles the ball. Eagles get a field goal off of that,
Speaker 9: and then that's for me, that's kind of where it
Speaker 9: started to snowball, because the Cowboys never regained composure after that.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was the Ferguson fumble is where I wrote it.
Speaker 1: Even in my highlight.
Speaker 4: Package that I wrote last night, I said, this was
Speaker 4: the point was where pivot point. Yeah, everything started going
Speaker 4: downhill for Dallas because even then you go down the field,
Speaker 4: you tie it up at fourteen, and then you're you're
Speaker 4: still answering the serve at that point from Philadelphia. But
Speaker 4: then you fumble there, you give them great territory even
Speaker 4: if they don't get the touchdown, and they ended up
Speaker 4: going and kicking a field goal instead.
Speaker 8: It was rough.
Speaker 9: And then think about the number of plays that the
Speaker 9: Eagles ran on that drive, that scoring drive that took
Speaker 9: them fourteen to seven. Defense, they're tired, it's time to
Speaker 9: get some water. Let's reset fumble. If you're the defense,
Speaker 9: you immediately hit drop. You like, okay, al right, here
Speaker 9: we go. And it just went from there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, after that fumble, eleven plays, twenty six yard drive for.
Speaker 8: The Eagles to keep the field goal around them.
Speaker 7: A minute and nineteen seconds later was the Cooper Russian reception.
Speaker 7: And I think the real killer was after the pick.
Speaker 7: There's thirty six seconds left in the half and the
Speaker 7: Eagles go sixty five yards and four plays for a touchdown. Yep,
Speaker 7: there's her no.
Speaker 1: Big off chunk play over the top to back.
Speaker 7: That's when the game was over. Yeah, that's when it
Speaker 7: was over. So that's the first half, right, Yeah, that
Speaker 7: was that was the end of the first half.
Speaker 6: So reiterating that's when the game was over the.
Speaker 7: End of the first half, run more real quick is
Speaker 7: I know we're going to break here soon, and here
Speaker 7: we go.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: I typically write three things that'll usually have to happen
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys to win. Number one was Cooper Rush
Speaker 7: need to beat zone. Eagles and Vic Fangio play zone
Speaker 7: at I think the highest level in the NFL or
Speaker 7: the highest rate in the NFL. So Cooper Rush against
Speaker 7: Zone ten of twenty seventy nine yards an interception. The
Speaker 7: second point was regardless of who he plays quarterback, because
Speaker 7: we didn't know during the week, get home, no sacks,
Speaker 7: four pressures, and the last one was find a way
Speaker 7: to limit Saqua and they did in the first half.
Speaker 7: Second half, he breaks a record and goes into NFL history.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's almost like you know what you're talking about, Tommy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes to win.
Speaker 7: Sometimes sometimes yeah, like all caps.
Speaker 1: Once in a while.
Speaker 4: Just because you brought it up, Pat, I was curious
Speaker 4: and I went to look at Cooper Rush's splits from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: He's nine and two against every other team.
Speaker 4: As a Star Ryptonite except for philadelphia'szero and three kryptonite.
Speaker 4: His totals against Philly, oh Man, these are bad. Forty
Speaker 4: seven completions on ninety one attempts. That is a that's
Speaker 4: just over fifty percent, fifty one percent for the mathematic
Speaker 4: nerds out there, three hundred and eighty three yards on
Speaker 4: ninety one attempts.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: He has two touchdowns and five interceptions. He doesn't have
Speaker 4: a single other team that he's ever faced throughout his
Speaker 4: NFL career where he's thrown more than one interception.
Speaker 6: It's not like the Eagles are team that we need
Speaker 6: to be often, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty often.
Speaker 4: He's played against them three times as a starter, six
Speaker 4: times overall, and it hasn't gone well.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to watch. Dude. Pretty weird. It is
Speaker 1: pretty weird.
Speaker 4: All right, Let's take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 4: We did have some positive and it was really over
Speaker 4: the course of the season that came to ahead and
Speaker 4: Rico Dowtell is now a one thousand yard rusher at
Speaker 4: the NFL level. We're going to talk about that and
Speaker 4: how much weight that holds, and then also what does
Speaker 4: it mean for this offseason for the Cowboys going into
Speaker 4: the final week of the regular season. Lots to talk
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Speaker 4: One thousand yards on the season, and he did so in.
Speaker 1: How many games?
Speaker 4: Fifteen games because inactive for one and the Cowboys that
Speaker 4: played how many games?
Speaker 8: Seventeen sixteen sixteen, they've.
Speaker 4: Played sixteen games in seventeen weeks. But yeah, don't try
Speaker 4: and discredit. I saw some people online was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh so a thousand yards in a sixteen game season? Wow,
Speaker 1: that's discussing.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, what is that shredded week?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: That's that's all my boy uaker oats from the internet.
Speaker 4: Ricco O Daddles had his oats, and that's the thing
Speaker 4: is I want to I want to shed light on
Speaker 4: how not only is it a thousand yard season at
Speaker 4: the NFL level, that's unbelievable in his own right, he's
Speaker 4: the first undrafted player in Cowboys history to ever also
Speaker 4: a thousand yards in a single season rushing. But he's
Speaker 4: done so with really only having the back half of
Speaker 4: the season to run the ball effectively, and to run
Speaker 4: the ball as a.
Speaker 1: True RB one.
Speaker 9: That's impressive on and that's what I and I'm so
Speaker 9: glad that you pointed out the math for those that
Speaker 9: are trying to discredit Rico's thousand yards. Oh, a thousand
Speaker 9: yard season doesn't matter anymore in a seventeen game NFL season, Well,
Speaker 9: when the guy was only active for fifteen games.
Speaker 8: So that's one.
Speaker 9: Number two, Like Hal said, when it was a running
Speaker 9: back by committee for.
Speaker 1: A large portion, a large portion. It wasn't until.
Speaker 9: Midway through the season where we heard Mike McCarthy get
Speaker 9: on that podium and say that's our lead back, and
Speaker 9: up until then it was a mix up. Well, Zeke
Speaker 9: started in Cleveland, right, So that tells you number one
Speaker 9: how that went. And then it was force feeding Zeke
Speaker 9: and they tried to get Duce involved. They gave the
Speaker 9: Delvin Cook experiment a chance. Hunter Lipkey got his shots,
Speaker 9: and suddenly, now Hunter Lipkey is nowhere to be found.
Speaker 9: Now that I think about that, it just popped in
Speaker 9: my head, though it is true where to be found.
Speaker 9: But nonetheless, the running back by committe approach, that's how
Speaker 9: the Cowboys entered training camp, that's how they entered the
Speaker 9: regular season. It wasn't until midway through the season that
Speaker 9: McCarthy was like, Okay, we get it.
Speaker 1: Rico is our guy.
Speaker 9: And he still went on to get a thousand yards
Speaker 9: and again, unbelievable because this is not an expansion franchise
Speaker 9: we're talking about. This is a franchise that's been around
Speaker 9: since nineteen sixty with endless draft classes and an endless
Speaker 9: number of undrafted free agent signed.
Speaker 8: And he's the first to ever do it.
Speaker 9: We'd like to see him do it on a day
Speaker 9: where he doesn't add a fumble to the stay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a hold onto the ball, hold onto
Speaker 1: that ball. We'll get to that.
Speaker 8: But the but the achievement is still the achievement.
Speaker 10: So he didn't necessarily get the the RB one spot
Speaker 10: until what week is this? It was November twenty fourth
Speaker 10: against Washington in Washington. That's when he had nineteen carries.
Speaker 10: Before that, his carries were ten yards or ten carries,
Speaker 10: twelve carries, twelve carries, five carries, eleven carries, eight carries,
Speaker 10: seven carries, eight carries. Like it's he did not have
Speaker 10: the book of the ball when he did the one
Speaker 10: game that.
Speaker 6: He did Pittsburgh, that was what carries. That was when
Speaker 6: we created the Rico.
Speaker 3: Drop.
Speaker 6: My boy had twenty carries at that game for a seven.
Speaker 10: So obviously he has not had the rock very often,
Speaker 10: especially for the majority of the season, and it wasn't
Speaker 10: until that long losing streak where they actually really all right,
Speaker 10: maybe give it to the reco.
Speaker 4: Well, look at the discrepancy in terms of yardage prior to.
Speaker 1: The bye and after the bye too, And the buye
Speaker 1: wasn't midway through the season.
Speaker 4: Of course, I know there's a couple extra games added
Speaker 4: on after that, but after the bye week and we'll
Speaker 4: actually say we'll say after the San Francisco game, because
Speaker 4: that's where he was inactive after that, He's had six
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy one of his one thousand yards in
Speaker 4: those nine games.
Speaker 1: In the six games prior, he had just two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty six yards. So when you feed.
Speaker 4: Ricodowdele and remember those a forty six yards with eighty
Speaker 4: seven of those game in that Pittsburgh game that you
Speaker 4: won on the back of Rico Dawdle out of those
Speaker 4: those back half of the season, it shows.
Speaker 1: When you feed Rico Dawdle, you get some success running
Speaker 1: the ball.
Speaker 7: You know, we've talked about just how impressive it is
Speaker 7: in general considering how late he started getting the bulk
Speaker 7: of the carries, but I think gets all the more
Speaker 7: impressive that he's done it with so much movement on
Speaker 7: the offense. As true, you don't have a clear cut
Speaker 7: left tackle. Left guard's been solid all year. You've had
Speaker 7: two different centers. Zach Barton doesn't play, you know, in
Speaker 7: these last in these last couple of games where he's
Speaker 7: had you know, a big year, he's run over one
Speaker 7: hundred yards four times in the last five games. I
Speaker 7: mean that, and he always he's like he's like an
Speaker 7: offensive lineman's dream running back because every time we talked
Speaker 7: to him after a game where he has one hundred
Speaker 7: yard day, he's like, oh, yeah, credit to those guys
Speaker 7: up front because they make it all happen for me
Speaker 7: and they have I mean, you can't argue that because
Speaker 7: they've created the lanes for him and he's been able
Speaker 7: to hit it and that's slashing running style that Mike
Speaker 7: McCarthy's talks so much about about how the Cowboys love
Speaker 7: that from Rico Daddle. It's paid off for him and
Speaker 7: now he's a thousand yard rusher versus undrafted free agent
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys to be a thousand yard rusher. I
Speaker 7: think he's the twenty's the twenty second undrafted player in
Speaker 7: NFL history to rush for over a thousand yards in
Speaker 7: a season. So there is no discredit that accomplishment whatsoever.
Speaker 7: And it's nice to see because he has especially wanted
Speaker 7: that one thousand yard market. You think about the injuries
Speaker 7: that he's gone through in these five seasons in the
Speaker 7: NFL and everything that he's had to do to get
Speaker 7: to this point. You know, you got to feel good
Speaker 7: for the guy because it's a cool accomplishment.
Speaker 10: I think it's a bittersweet in that he achieved that,
Speaker 10: where Saquon Barkley also achieved.
Speaker 6: Two thousand yards in the double. That's a good point
Speaker 6: double the moment.
Speaker 10: That's bittersweet in that way, also bittersweeten in that he
Speaker 10: only has one touchdown, one rushing touchdown to show for it.
Speaker 6: That to me is.
Speaker 1: Tough much to Tommy yrs.
Speaker 7: Well, no, no, no, there's two points there because you make
Speaker 7: a good point. So Kyle looked the stat up for me.
Speaker 7: If Rico doesn't score a touchdown next week, he'll be
Speaker 7: the third player in NFL history to rush for over
Speaker 7: one thousand yards and have less than two rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 7: He's joining pretty good company here, Thomas Jones from the
Speaker 7: New York Jets in two thousand and seventy at nineteen.
Speaker 3: Yards and.
Speaker 7: Garrett Hearst from Arizona in nineteen ninety five one thousand
Speaker 7: and seventy rushing yards and one touchdown. To your point
Speaker 7: on Saquon Barkley, Rico got asked that yesterday and he said, quote,
Speaker 7: he's sitting the standard right now and doing what he's
Speaker 7: supposed to do when he's had a great season. Think
Speaker 7: he's probably about sixty away from the record, So hope
Speaker 7: he can do that. That helps everybody out in the
Speaker 7: running back world. So definitely a lot of appreciation for
Speaker 7: what he's doing.
Speaker 8: Oh wow, I love that, love to see that running
Speaker 8: back solidarity.
Speaker 7: And he's right because I think this this season has
Speaker 7: showed you that in the last couple of years, where
Speaker 7: people who have tried to tell you running backs aren't important,
Speaker 7: running backs don't matter to an NFL offense nowadays still do.
Speaker 8: It's all cyclic, Still run the ball, cyclical.
Speaker 9: And now it's cycling back to running backs math yeah again, yeah, cycling.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what's happening in college.
Speaker 4: I mean, one of the biggest names to look for
Speaker 4: right now going into this week is Ashton gent who
Speaker 4: could be a Cowboy next year. By the way, Cowboy's
Speaker 4: currently picking at twelfth in the NFL right here for
Speaker 4: just so you know. But the I mean, that's the
Speaker 4: thing is he's he's got a chance to break Barry
Speaker 4: Sanders all time rushing record. You've got a chance to
Speaker 4: see Saquon Barkley this week break Eric Dickerson's mark. Now,
Speaker 4: both of those guys have more games to work with
Speaker 4: over the course of their schedule in order to do so,
Speaker 4: but it is. It is a pretty good microcosm of Hey,
Speaker 4: the running back position is not as devalued as it
Speaker 4: may seem to be in the modern day NFL. With
Speaker 4: that being said, now the decision will have to come from.
Speaker 1: Rico Dowdell moving forward.
Speaker 8: It does, so.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. He's hit a thousand yards.
Speaker 4: He's done so with just the one touchdown and a
Speaker 4: couple of fumbles along the way. Six fumbles, I believe right,
Speaker 4: that's significant. That's a lot of fumbles for an RB one.
Speaker 4: So my question to you is what's your confidence level
Speaker 4: that he's back next year in a Dallas Cowboys uniform.
Speaker 4: Remember he has more yards now than Tony Poller did
Speaker 4: last year. And of course he's a little bit younger
Speaker 4: than Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard signed his deal with Tennessee
Speaker 4: at twenty seven years old, and Rico Dawdle is what
Speaker 4: twenty six years old? I believe I'd have to live
Speaker 4: he is twenty six, twenty six years So my question
Speaker 4: is where are you looking at the value of Rico
Speaker 4: Dawdle and where does that lead in the future.
Speaker 10: To just a quick correction, I only see three fumbles
Speaker 10: for Rico on the season.
Speaker 1: Three loss fumbles, three lost yas, I think he's actually
Speaker 1: put it on the ground. Yeah, okay, okay, is that true?
Speaker 6: Lost fumbles? Is two oh three total?
Speaker 1: Bumbled three times three times lost? Two? Where did I
Speaker 1: see six?
Speaker 6: I don't know. Maybe it's I'm looking at ESPN.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it's six total. Okay, I'm going to go
Speaker 4: with your number. Yeah, three, So still three fumbles, had
Speaker 4: a couple of those in the red zone, which is significant.
Speaker 4: You gotta gotta hold on to the ball.
Speaker 6: I think yesterday, to me, it's a no brainer.
Speaker 10: I think you want to see what Rico continues to
Speaker 10: do with his offense, especially if the same coaching staff returns.
Speaker 10: I think you want to see how Rico builds on this.
Speaker 10: But also I'm looking to the Lions here where they
Speaker 10: have a David Montgomery and they have a Jamier Gibbs.
Speaker 10: I think you are able if you are able to
Speaker 10: get a playmaking running back in the draft or free
Speaker 10: agency that is a kind of knuckles to your sign
Speaker 10: or Sonic to your knuckles right, more of a quick,
Speaker 10: great reference playmaker that is able to beat you with
Speaker 10: his speed. I mean, you saw Quante Turpin kind of
Speaker 10: spell in and do that. I would I would be
Speaker 10: down to see more of that as well. But I
Speaker 10: think you give him a contract, I think you have
Speaker 10: him returned. I think you see how he builds the
Speaker 10: top of the performance that he had this year.
Speaker 6: I think you need to see it.
Speaker 9: I one believe the Cowboys will try to keep Rico
Speaker 9: Dwell in the building, and I am one hundred percent
Speaker 9: in a green so that they should. That being said,
Speaker 9: free agency is a two way street, and Rico Dawdle's
Speaker 9: leverage as it stands may never be as high again
Speaker 9: as it is right now, sure coming off of a
Speaker 9: thousand yards season, So that means that he's going to
Speaker 9: get suitors. And the question Rico Dawdle will need to
Speaker 9: ask himself number one is the money, because because his
Speaker 9: leverage may never again be this high, he may never
Speaker 9: again get a chance at the size of the bag
Speaker 9: that he's going to be offered from whatever team or
Speaker 9: teams plural. But also he has to look at the
Speaker 9: situation as well. Is the team offering him a deal,
Speaker 9: be it the Cowboys or one of the other thirty
Speaker 9: one are they offering him the deal as RB one,
Speaker 9: Are they offering him the deal as a combo because
Speaker 9: I think that Rico Daludo is tired of combos, right,
Speaker 9: because the majority of his career in Dallas was spent
Speaker 9: trying to earn his way behind Tony Poverd and Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: Yes, so then Zeke gets waived.
Speaker 4: And then even when they bring him back, right, they
Speaker 4: still give it to Zeke to start in Cleveland, and
Speaker 4: then you still see the reluctant side of things to
Speaker 4: give him the ball until the second half of the season.
Speaker 8: Like they're just talking.
Speaker 9: And even still you've given him the ball second half
Speaker 9: of the season. And Yards is going to love this
Speaker 9: point because really pisses him off. When Rico tears off
Speaker 9: a big run, you pull him off the field, and
Speaker 9: then Zeke comes onto the field. So that's a scenario
Speaker 9: where if he's to return to the Cowboys, I'm sure
Speaker 9: Rico Dado is looking at it as what's my fit here,
Speaker 9: and the same goals for any other team. I think
Speaker 9: Rico Dado is looking for two things. One, he wants
Speaker 9: to be the definitive RB one and in someone system.
Speaker 9: He's tired of playing Robbin and any one of the
Speaker 9: other Titan team Titans. Okay, he wants to be Bruce.
Speaker 9: But at the same time, what does the money look like?
Speaker 9: And you Tony Pollard averaging seven point two five million
Speaker 9: dollars a year. Pollard had a better resume, yes, but
Speaker 9: as far as the final season before departing, Rico.
Speaker 4: Is having a better season, right Yeah, yeah, So Racho
Speaker 4: said the resume and what Pollard did previously. He had
Speaker 4: more explosive runs, he had more touchdowns, he had more experience.
Speaker 4: But you could also look at it from the running
Speaker 4: back position as lower tread on the tires. So he's
Speaker 4: a younger player by a small margin whenever he's signing
Speaker 4: the second thing.
Speaker 9: And he's put the injury woes behind him for the
Speaker 9: most part, So that's no longer a conversation at the moment.
Speaker 9: So my point is Rico is going to get offers,
Speaker 9: and they probably will be I.
Speaker 1: Think it'd be about five to six.
Speaker 9: I was going to say five a year. That's probably
Speaker 9: where he ends up landing. I don't know that the
Speaker 9: Cowboys will be willing to do five year considering because
Speaker 9: they're going to sell you the salary cap pie thing
Speaker 9: and they're going to say, well, we got to pay Michael,
Speaker 9: so we can't.
Speaker 8: Okay, fine, as long as you bring me genty. We
Speaker 8: could talk about the list.
Speaker 4: Okay, there's a guy playing in bois right now. Then
Speaker 4: you're talking about it and everybody has their eyes on.
Speaker 9: The Cowboys have that pipeline to say the least, to
Speaker 9: boys draft a couple guys.
Speaker 10: And if you're picking at twelve, there's a much greater
Speaker 10: chance than if you were to win out these.
Speaker 6: Last two games.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Yes, yeah, because you were at fifteen last week.
Speaker 7: You know why Rica's got a little bit more tread
Speaker 7: on the tires because they take him out. And I,
Speaker 7: I mean, I have no problem with Zeke coming in
Speaker 7: for short air situation because he's the bigger back, he's
Speaker 7: the more physical guy. I get that. But when Rico
Speaker 7: comes takes off the field after he gains like thirty
Speaker 7: yards and they're at the thirty yard line, it's like,
Speaker 7: all right, Zeke, why do we just not want to
Speaker 7: carry over positive moment? I just don't get it. So
Speaker 7: unless he summon himself out, And that's just one of
Speaker 7: the things that I don't know if it infuriates me,
Speaker 7: because because I seem pretty infuriated, Well, it's just something
Speaker 7: I don't understand. I think, calm down it very well.
Speaker 7: Maybe something that I don't understand, but that's how it is.
Speaker 7: I don't understand it. No, Rico Dawdle has earned every
Speaker 7: single bit of the consideration to be a number one
Speaker 7: running back really anywhere. I'm fully in agreement with what
Speaker 7: Josh said. I think he took exactly what I was
Speaker 7: going to say. There is no problem with having two
Speaker 7: high end running backs in your offense. Sure you cannot
Speaker 7: go wrong with that. The good thing that Rico Dadell
Speaker 7: gives you, and we've seen it this year because he
Speaker 7: somehow has more receiving touchdowns than he does rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 7: is he can catch the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 7: So that's increasingly more and more valuable in today's NFL
Speaker 7: is getting the ball out of the backfield, being able
Speaker 7: to be that kind of scatback type guy at the
Speaker 7: running back position, to be able to do a lot
Speaker 7: of different things. And if you've got two of those
Speaker 7: guys where you've got a bruiser and you've got a
Speaker 7: scat back, then you've got a lot of options on
Speaker 7: offense because you can run the football and if your
Speaker 7: receivers are covered, if you have a guy like Ceede
Speaker 7: Lamb when he comes back next year, and you bring
Speaker 7: in a wide receiver two, whether it be in the
Speaker 7: draft or in free agency, and that's going to being
Speaker 7: so much attention downfield. When you can check down and
Speaker 7: get five, seven, ten yards, that's going to help you
Speaker 7: out a lot on offense. And I think Rico Daddle
Speaker 7: can do that for you. I think he should be
Speaker 7: back in Dallas now. Patrick brings up a good point
Speaker 7: of is the price tag going to be a little
Speaker 7: bit too hot?
Speaker 4: Was that?
Speaker 7: That's where I stand?
Speaker 6: I have a question.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, let's say God forbid, Let's say Rico
Speaker 10: decides to go to another team, he gets the bag,
Speaker 10: which is, you know, great for him, right, Yeah, then
Speaker 10: you are not stuck.
Speaker 6: I don't want to say that.
Speaker 10: Then you have duce font a running back that you
Speaker 10: have not used to his abilities at all. Do you
Speaker 10: trust that the offensive coordinator would give him a chance
Speaker 10: to carry any sort of the load next season? And
Speaker 10: what kind of running back would you need to supplement
Speaker 10: a guy like duce Fon if that is one of
Speaker 10: your starting running backs next season.
Speaker 9: Well, to answer your questions, am b A. So if
Speaker 9: we're talking the science of the matter, you got to
Speaker 9: go by the data in front of you, and the
Speaker 9: data in front of me suggests that the Cowboys can't
Speaker 9: seem to figure out how to utilize duce Fon to
Speaker 9: the full of stuff his abilities right, And they've tried,
Speaker 9: not once or twice, but at several times since he's
Speaker 9: come into this league to try to get him in
Speaker 9: their shoot, horn him in there, and it's just not working.
Speaker 8: There's a disconnect there.
Speaker 9: So I'm not confident that dynamic can be figured out
Speaker 9: magically suddenly going into.
Speaker 8: Another It's not like it'll be.
Speaker 1: Your first full off time. But if there were science.
Speaker 9: If they were science, if they were to figure that
Speaker 9: out magically, the science doesn't believe that they can. But
Speaker 9: to answer your second question, you would need a hammer.
Speaker 9: You would need a hammer because, like like Tommy was saying,
Speaker 9: if you're going to have a scat back, which is
Speaker 9: essentially what duce Von amounts to, you got to have
Speaker 9: somebody who can just pound and ground, right, who can
Speaker 9: get you those dirty runs in between the A gap
Speaker 9: to B gap and takes a lot of that bruising
Speaker 9: that Ezekiel Elliott was brought in to take right, So
Speaker 9: don't don't So you started that, I saw your face.
Speaker 7: I didn't do anything.
Speaker 8: It's to see you almost.
Speaker 1: Went to Tommy again, another outburst like that, just to see.
Speaker 9: But yeah, so you got to have someone who can
Speaker 9: come in and do the dirty work if you're going
Speaker 9: to try your best to make Douce that step back.
Speaker 9: But just circling back to your first point, nothing indicates
Speaker 9: to me that can be figured out.
Speaker 6: Of course, but he is one of the running backs
Speaker 6: that is going to be on your roster next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's under contract. Yeah, the one thing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you're going to be aver. He's under contract.
Speaker 9: I think it's more fair to say that you they
Speaker 9: probably assuming McCarthy is back, and just let's just assume
Speaker 9: nothing change.
Speaker 1: Now we don't know that it will or wuldn't.
Speaker 9: That's fair, that's fair, But for the sake of argument,
Speaker 9: assuming nothing changes, you didn't have to assume nothing will change.
Speaker 9: When it comes to Duzvon and the Hunter Lipkey equation,
Speaker 9: which I say to say, I think Hunter Lipkey would
Speaker 9: get the nod before dus Von would get the nod.
Speaker 1: There's there's a chance at that I'd agree with that
Speaker 1: there's a chance at that. The the other thing that
Speaker 1: it does too.
Speaker 4: If you don't bring back Rico dabtle It Pigeon holds
Speaker 4: you in the top one hundred picks one of your
Speaker 4: Remember you don't have your fourth round pick right now.
Speaker 4: You might get a camp Oh yeah, you traded for
Speaker 4: a guy who hasn't played very well.
Speaker 1: Anyways, you don't have your fourth round pick.
Speaker 4: So in your top three rounds you would have to
Speaker 4: one good pass and yeah, you would have to end
Speaker 4: up taking a running back, plain and simple. If you
Speaker 4: don't bring back Dubt you're spending a first, second, or
Speaker 4: third round pick on a running back.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot to keep in mind as well.
Speaker 4: Patrick brings up a point, and I want to talk
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Speaker 1: all right. I said it. I want the Cowboys to
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 4: I want the Cowboys to make their decision on their
Speaker 4: head coach this week, this week. I don't want them
Speaker 4: to make it after the season comes to a close.
Speaker 1: Here's why.
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Speaker 1: Point number one.
Speaker 4: If you get blown out by Washington like you did
Speaker 4: last week against Philadelphia, does it change anything in your
Speaker 4: mindset of the future of this team.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 4: No, If you win in a blowout fashion so complete
Speaker 4: polar opposites, does it change the future of what you
Speaker 4: think about this organization? No, it absolutely does not. You
Speaker 4: know now what you're going to do one way or
Speaker 4: the other. This Washington game has zero effect on what
Speaker 4: your head coach will be in the future, whether you're
Speaker 4: deciding to extend him totally fine, cool with it.
Speaker 1: Extend him.
Speaker 4: If you're waiting and you're gonna let him go and
Speaker 4: you're gonna move on to a new head coach, that's
Speaker 4: totally fine as well.
Speaker 1: Make the decision.
Speaker 4: Do it this week, because then this game can hold weight,
Speaker 4: because then you get a look at a whole different
Speaker 4: element of your roster without the penalty or without the
Speaker 4: pressure of going in and trying to win the game. Specifically,
Speaker 4: you get to see guys like Trey Lance, Douce Fawn,
Speaker 4: Jonathan Mingo. You get to see guys on the defensive
Speaker 4: side of the football that you haven't seen previously, and
Speaker 4: you get to do it with either an interim head
Speaker 4: coach as Mike Zimmer or interim head coach is Al Harris.
Speaker 1: Or your head coach of the future in Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: So either way, make a decision. If you're going to
Speaker 4: make a decision postseason. Anyways, you haven't extended him yet.
Speaker 4: The report last week was that talks have stalled. Either
Speaker 4: get the talks going again and make a decision that
Speaker 4: he will be your head coach of the future, or
Speaker 4: move on so that way you get to see who
Speaker 4: will be in the future.
Speaker 1: A Dallas Cowboy. That's my point.
Speaker 4: It needs to happen this week in my opinion, to
Speaker 4: be effective as a front office and as this team
Speaker 4: moves forward.
Speaker 9: No notes, I agree, yeah, no notes, because either way,
Speaker 9: if you're going to keep him, you need to hit
Speaker 9: the ground running as soon as this regular season concludes
Speaker 9: with trying to shuffle pieces around and having that conversation
Speaker 9: which assistant coaches are going to stay, which assistant coaches
Speaker 9: are going to go, who might you replace them with,
Speaker 9: and start building that process for twenty twenty five as
Speaker 9: quickly as possible. If you're going to part ways with
Speaker 9: Mike McCarthy, it gets start as.
Speaker 1: Quickly as possible.
Speaker 9: You need to open up the door to potential interviews
Speaker 9: and things like that, especially for teams that may be
Speaker 9: entering the playoffs, whatever the case may be. So either
Speaker 9: way that cal said, either way, the sooner the better.
Speaker 1: And let me reiterate, I'm not saying fire Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: that is sound.
Speaker 4: I'm saying make a decision either extend him in destry
Speaker 4: or don't.
Speaker 1: Let it drag out into the outlet. And that's the
Speaker 1: last thing you want as an organize.
Speaker 9: Because it's also going to negatively impact free agency because
Speaker 9: if you let it drag out, and as it drags out,
Speaker 9: you don't know if McCarthy's staying, is he going Keep
Speaker 9: it in mind that McCarthy's going to get some interest
Speaker 9: as well. I know right now coming off of the
Speaker 9: Eagles loss, recency bias will tell fans who wants McCarthy,
Speaker 9: and Chicago will want McCarthy's.
Speaker 1: That's the situation.
Speaker 9: There will be some teams that want a Super Bowl
Speaker 9: winning head coach, so he's going to have that decision
Speaker 9: to make. But if you drag this out, then it
Speaker 9: becomes more of a fifty to fifty ify thing, and
Speaker 9: free agency starts approaching, the new league year starts approaching,
Speaker 9: and as your scouts start to do their work on
Speaker 9: trying to build their boards for the draft, and you
Speaker 9: don't even know who you're really building it for.
Speaker 1: Me. You set it in the last segments. You said it.
Speaker 4: In the last segment, you're like, let's assume that Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy is back even doing any sort of assuming.
Speaker 1: What do they say about assuming? You're making ass out
Speaker 1: of you and me? Exactly? Like that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You're assuming everything right now? Stop assuming make a decision,
Speaker 4: make a decision.
Speaker 6: I like it and floor it and start Tree Lance,
Speaker 6: just do it.
Speaker 1: That could happen too, honestly, just either way, it's art him.
Speaker 6: Why not five million dollars for a season?
Speaker 10: Freaking start him, dude, Like, what are we playing for
Speaker 10: at this point?
Speaker 1: Start him well? And that's another reason why I want
Speaker 1: them to make a decision.
Speaker 4: I don't want Mike McCarthy having to go into this
Speaker 4: final game questioning his future and saying, you know, what
Speaker 4: best chance to win games is Cooper Rush and my
Speaker 4: futures in the balance.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: If you extend him, if you make a decision, if
Speaker 4: you decide to move on, you make a decision. Then
Speaker 4: either way you can say, Okay, I feel comfortable throwing
Speaker 4: out some of these guys and seeing what we have
Speaker 4: in the future. Out of the lesser played players, Rico
Speaker 4: Daddle has a thousand yard ceed lambs out for the season.
Speaker 4: You've got Cooper Rush who just threw two picks and
Speaker 4: coming off of one of his worst games of the year.
Speaker 1: Why not listen? Why not? I'm now this pisses me off.
Speaker 1: This is your Rico Dada one touchdown? Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 9: Everyone who follows the show, follows me on Twitter, knows
Speaker 9: that I have been in evaluation mode for quite a while,
Speaker 9: and a large part of my evaluation mode is I
Speaker 9: want to see Trey Lance because I want to see
Speaker 9: as he if he's worth the conversation at free agency,
Speaker 9: as far as potential QB two right for behind Dak
Speaker 9: Prescott in twenty twenty five, It's not happened.
Speaker 8: It's not happened. It's not happened.
Speaker 9: You go into the Eagles game, Cooper Rush throws the
Speaker 9: ball away twice on unforgivable interceptions. It ultimately helps lead to,
Speaker 9: you know, Eagles getting twenty four points.
Speaker 1: You're at the half and.
Speaker 8: You're on the road, and there was no more of.
Speaker 9: A perfect time for you to send Trey Lance in
Speaker 9: and maybe invigorate the offense, maybe in shot.
Speaker 1: They didn't do it, and they did not.
Speaker 9: And when I saw Cooper Rush coming back out and
Speaker 9: it was not Trey Lance, I officially threw my hands
Speaker 9: up and said, you know what, one of those all right, okay, Mike, okay,
Speaker 9: f me then okay to that point, now, I'm so
Speaker 9: over it because the second half wasn't given to Trey Lance.
Speaker 9: I don't even care if they start Trey Lance against
Speaker 9: the commanders. Show me, will Grear, just just just put
Speaker 9: start Will Grear. So you give me somebody to evaluate.
Speaker 1: I want to. I know, Cooper rush Is.
Speaker 9: I need something to evaluate for twenty twenty five, twenty
Speaker 9: twenty four is done.
Speaker 1: It's done, so it's over.
Speaker 9: It's a wrap for need to roll the credits and
Speaker 9: bring the curtains to a close.
Speaker 1: Show me that you've already said no. See, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give your train lasts.
Speaker 12: Ok.
Speaker 9: Cool, you will give me give me the guy that
Speaker 9: had a heightsman.
Speaker 1: Vote, give me, give me. We'll wantre It was a
Speaker 1: badass in college. It's one more than I got.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we don't need to talk about a college days.
Speaker 7: I mean, you guys all have good points. I think
Speaker 7: human nature, you know, naturally tells us that you you
Speaker 7: genuine You get more trying to find the right word
Speaker 7: for this honeymoon sugar. When you know what the future
Speaker 7: looks like like, it's easier to operate. Like word, it's
Speaker 7: easier to operate. It's easier to operate moving towards the future. Yes,
Speaker 7: when you have a clear pastic idea of what it
Speaker 7: looks like when there's a lot, have a plan and
Speaker 7: what's and yeah, when there's alignment in what's going forward.
Speaker 7: So what this team needs is alignment. They're not aligned
Speaker 7: because your head coach doesn't know if his job is safe.
Speaker 7: The rest of the staff doesn't know if their jobs
Speaker 7: are safe. Some of these players don't know if their
Speaker 7: jobs are safe. You need to get alignment. You can't
Speaker 7: deal with the player's portion of it until free agency starts.
Speaker 7: You can resign some guys now, Michael Parsons, and but
Speaker 7: the biggest stepping stone that you can get to moving
Speaker 7: forward there is making a decision on mich McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Yay. So once you've got.
Speaker 7: Alignment, things start to slowly and slowly churn and get better. Yes,
Speaker 7: and maybe even it doesn't get better. But once you
Speaker 7: once you align, you can at least move towards the
Speaker 7: future and try to execute your plan. Whether that plan
Speaker 7: is successful or not, that's all just left to be seen.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just set sail with no destination, no.
Speaker 1: Correct and we made our feelings very heard. Last week.
Speaker 4: We had an extensive conversation on this show about Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy his future respect that you need to show for
Speaker 4: the way this team fought down the stretch and the
Speaker 4: way that things started this season can be a knock,
Speaker 4: just like the playoff success. So one way or the other,
Speaker 4: we made our thoughts very very true. That doesn't change
Speaker 4: with a forty one to seven loss in Philadelphia, nor
Speaker 4: would it change in Washington either. So make a decision
Speaker 4: one way or the other. Let's start moving toward twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five in the right direction. And that's that's my
Speaker 4: one plea. That's my one plea of the year. I
Speaker 4: don't ask for.
Speaker 1: Much, but that is that is, but that is what
Speaker 1: I'm asking for.
Speaker 9: I ask for a lot, give you will career, ask
Speaker 9: for your head to be relevant in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Would be nice. Thanks, That's what I asked for. Man,
Speaker 1: it would be nice. All right.
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