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Speaker 2: I've Ben find stuff joins us with Tigris this morning.

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Speaker 2: He survived Boston University Finance and accounting, one of the

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Speaker 2: great grinds of college academics. Ivan, I'm going to cut

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Speaker 2: to the chase. You've got a very very constructive note

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Speaker 2: on a quote classic shakeout of crowded AI trades. Do

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Speaker 2: you load the boat on Microsoft? What's the character of

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Speaker 2: your enthusiasm to acquire shares?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think this negative view of

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Speaker 3: this software stocks is just way overdone. Even Jensen Long

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Speaker 3: has said that software drives the functionality of hardware.

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Speaker 2: But look, it's still.

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Speaker 3: AI is a powerful investment theme, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: see things get to have themselves like we saw this

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Speaker 3: run up in arm, run up in Micron, run up

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Speaker 3: in SanDisk. But yet this is a very powerful theme

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Speaker 3: that I think has still long to run, and the

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Speaker 3: next phase is going to be the evolution of smart

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Speaker 3: devices that just have an AI operating system, and instead

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Speaker 3: of on your phone using different apps to do different functions,

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Speaker 3: you're going to have an overall AI interactive operating system

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Speaker 3: that then will drive agents to use different apps to

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Speaker 3: accomplish what you want. Like for example, if you're interested in,

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Speaker 3: you some suggestions and all you have to do is say,

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Speaker 3: all right, book me a table at seven point thirty

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Speaker 3: that rather than you having to go to Rezi or

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Speaker 2: And this is what qualcomm.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm going to be attending quill Common investerday today,

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Speaker 3: but is using their processors, data centers, and most important,

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, yeah, but hold on, Paul, help me there?

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Speaker 3: I know, yes, he I doesn't have that much juice

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Speaker 4: Ivan frame mount kind of your conversations with your clients

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Speaker 4: about software broadly defined, because again we've had a sell

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Speaker 4: What's your view of software broadly defined these days.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of opportunity in the database

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Speaker 3: software companies like Mango dB and like Monday dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I think the software the infrastructure providers like Oracle, as

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Speaker 3: well as the process of providers like Nvidia and memory. Look,

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Speaker 3: have tripled and quadrupled over the past year, and that's

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Speaker 3: what's been driving things like Micron at sand Disc. So,

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Speaker 3: but this is a powerful theme that will go on

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Speaker 4: Microsoft down twenty three percent year to date. You don't

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Speaker 3: I think Microsoft is a tremendous buy here. We've seen

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Speaker 2: And look the state of this and the catalyst of it.

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Speaker 3: Thriving, absolutely and with each report an increasing capital investment

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Speaker 3: Year results of all the big tech companies, the five

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Speaker 3: they recently announced we're they're working with open Ai. Last year,

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Speaker 3: It's going to be all these different devices that help

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Speaker 5: preparing for this for quite a few years. They've been

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Speaker 2: Can you come back tomorrow?

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Speaker 6: Well, I promise, well, ye, we'll talk to thanks tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Like his father or grandfather lily washed cars. Yes, they

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Speaker 6: I think Dan Gilbert represents the American dream, but also

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Speaker 6: Before Dan, the last time Detroit grew is nineteen fifty seven.

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Speaker 6: It works. You create that kind of place the young

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what's next for Detroit here? Talk to us

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Speaker 4: about kind of how you guys are thinking about the

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Speaker 4: next five years, ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So the last ten years Dan's focus in Detroit was

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Speaker 6: on our north South corridor, which is we call it

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Speaker 6: Woodward Avenue, think about it like Fifth Avenue here your

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Speaker 6: main avenue. And then for the next ten to fifteen

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Speaker 6: years it's on our riverfront, on our riverfront, which our

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Speaker 6: east west axis. The big anchor of our riverfront is

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Speaker 6: the Renaissance Center, which to give you a sense how

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Speaker 6: big this building is, it's twice the size of the

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Speaker 6: Empire State Building built by Henry Ford. The second former

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Speaker 6: home of the General Motors Corporation, big empty, empty office

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Speaker 6: complex looming over the riverfront. We're going to do the

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Speaker 6: most ambitious and complex adaptive reuse project in the country,

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Speaker 6: bring that thing back to life and redevelop our whole

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Speaker 6: riverfront in Detroit. You know, there's a lot of models

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Speaker 6: of how New York is brought back its riverfront. We're

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Speaker 6: gonna try to do the same in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Chure Fleas, sure, thank you. So this is don't be

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Speaker 2: a stranger Bedrock Detroit on one of the great great

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Speaker 2: comebacks in America.

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