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Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler.

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Speaker 2: We have a repeat guest.

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Speaker 1: Today because he hasn't been on yet with Mommy, So

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Speaker 1: Max Winkler, welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. How's your day

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Speaker 2: so far?

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Speaker 3: So far, so good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well Max just got back. He was shooting in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: so he was gone for three months.

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Speaker 3: A little less than that, okay, a little less.

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Speaker 1: Than three months, and so he hasn't really been available

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Speaker 1: to do the pod.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about how it feels to not be the

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Speaker 3: favorite child.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I lived that, but now I feel

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Speaker 1: like I am the favorite.

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Speaker 3: Actually, well, you were an incredible, credible resource when mother

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Speaker 3: was down and out. I would say a.

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Speaker 2: Favor about mother being down and out and things because

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Speaker 2: mother is here with you today, sitting upright miraculous.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you, because of that fact, I

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Speaker 3: have no bad days. Every day is a good day

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Speaker 3: because you're with us.

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Speaker 2: That's so nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel very grateful for your survivor. I was,

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Speaker 3: I was prepared for your death, I was easier.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're giving me a hard attack. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like you come to me and mom for advice now

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Speaker 1: that you have kids?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Often, I trust you both when it comes to.

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Speaker 2: That is silent? What's tea? And often?

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Speaker 3: Often?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Often, No, it's not, it's often. No, it's often, but

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Speaker 3: it's okay, I don't think it is.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, fine, Yeah, I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: really a tomato tomato type situation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then often, But now let's get into your career.

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Speaker 1: Great.

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Speaker 2: Have you known your entire life that you wanted to

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Speaker 2: be a director and her producer? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, we've actually talked about this prior. I think in

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Speaker 1: your like last whatever it was. You've worked on TV

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Speaker 1: shows from Brooklyn nine to nine to New Girl to American.

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Speaker 3: Who don't want to talk about any of those shows?

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Speaker 3: Scratch them. Those are not the shows I want to

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Speaker 3: be remembered. What shows would you like to like to

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Speaker 3: be remembered? For the movies I've made that no one's seen.

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Speaker 1: I think all your movies have been great. Actually I

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Speaker 1: thought Flower was amazing.

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Speaker 2: I did too. I didn't see Jungle Land. I mean

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Speaker 2: I tried to watch it, But you mean you didn't

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Speaker 2: see jungle lands.

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Speaker 3: My mother used to, at a very young age, do

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Speaker 3: two things that I found very strange. She thought I

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Speaker 3: was very muscular, and she wanted me to show my

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Speaker 3: take my shirt off and show her friends how buff

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: That never happens.

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Speaker 1: It No, it didn't, it never did, and don't do

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Speaker 3: And she also told the story. And she also wanted

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Speaker 3: me to do impressions for her.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal and space.

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Speaker 3: I don't perform on committee.

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Speaker 2: And he looked exactly like David Letterman when he was

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Speaker 2: a little boy. Max said to me, stop asking me

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Speaker 3: I'm not I don't like compliments because I was over

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Speaker 3: complimented as a child.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes. One of Max's doctors said, a brilliant, brilliant

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Speaker 2: therapist was this said that the biggest problem for Max

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Speaker 2: was that he was loved too much.

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Speaker 3: Mother's Days this weekend, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 3: Spoil our queen? So I so what I thought is

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Speaker 3: I thought we would get you a bath bomb.

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Speaker 1: I guess his birthday party actually, which is also going

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Speaker 1: to be held at your house, We're doing make your

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Speaker 3: And we're going to do a nasty little spa day

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Speaker 3: for you, you bad bitch.

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Speaker 2: I I really I am in an altered universe. I

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Speaker 3: Though, and we're gonna get you a build your owne.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get you to know that's already happened and

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Speaker 3: you've slipped it yourself. We're gonna get you to build

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Speaker 3: your own boba bar for the house. You're gonna to

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Speaker 3: make Boba's exactly how you want it, the way you know.

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Speaker 2: That bobas grow in your stomach.

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Speaker 3: That's the truth.

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Speaker 2: I don't, but yes, because think about.

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Speaker 1: Remember zen Zuti that we be loved getting boba right

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Speaker 1: down the street at the Country mar But now I'm

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Speaker 1: actually gonna surprise Jewles and for his birthday we're getting

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Speaker 2: I thought Max knew that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so far you've covered Gus's birthday and now

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Speaker 1: and now Jewles's birthday. But I wrote to all of

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Speaker 1: the siblings and their spouses yes, that we wanted to

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Speaker 1: get you something really special this year, and Max suggested

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Speaker 1: a body chain.

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Speaker 2: I have one just with my initial line, are you

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Speaker 2: talking about a gold chain that you wear around your wraps?

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Speaker 3: Around?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: How do you have forbidden because.

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Speaker 2: An old boyfriend, Terry Inch, gave me.

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Speaker 3: Was he the scientologist?

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Speaker 2: No, he's very handsome Terry and the person who hid

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Speaker 2: in the bushes on my first day with Daddy. But

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Speaker 2: he bought me a very beautiful gold chain. You saved

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Speaker 2: it all these years. You should give it to Jes,

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Speaker 2: give it to Max's wife. She would love a body chain.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't it's just a chain that you wear, but

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Speaker 2: it was bought to wear around a little lower than

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Speaker 3: Does Dad still have his nipples piers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he does, but he had the other he he's

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Speaker 2: got a third piercing. He did that for his fifty

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Speaker 2: eighth birthday.

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Speaker 1: I think it was how do you feel about mom

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Speaker 1: and what we've all been.

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Speaker 2: Through with her?

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Speaker 3: It was such a terrifying time. It was the scariest

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Speaker 2: So what is the family dynamic? Oh, I'll tell you, gird. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually family dynamic? Is this so? And let's be serious?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Very, I'm very curious to see if we see

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Speaker 2: So the family dynamic is that.

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Speaker 1: You and Dad are very loving and warm, but you

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Speaker 3: And then no, the man hiding in the corner like

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Speaker 3: a fern, No, certainly not. You must not be seeing

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then I just actually, this is actually actually serious.

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Speaker 1: I just recently yesterday met with a new psychopharmacologist because

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Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with ADD when.

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Speaker 2: I was twelve.

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Speaker 3: Who cares, I'll getting to the point.

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Speaker 2: But I actually never had ADD. I actually have OCD.

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Speaker 2: My god, we got our letters wrong.

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Speaker 1: So I just bet I answer her that I actually

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Speaker 3: So let's get started, let's get IV.

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Speaker 2: So I.

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Speaker 3: So I certainly seemed to have the traits.

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Speaker 1: So I met with a doctor yesterday, and I now

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Speaker 1: and now it's like I liked him a lot, and

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Speaker 1: so I think that like I was just misunderstood because

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Speaker 3: You've been talking about your bladder infection for the last

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Speaker 3: seven weeks.

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Speaker 1: I had an anxiety attack over a bladder infection. That's true,

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Speaker 1: and I don't like to be shamed about it.

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Speaker 2: No good for you.

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Speaker 3: Ye stand upon you got this girl, Mama, You can

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Speaker 1: So then I think that I was like very deeply

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Speaker 2: And Max is just a lot simpler and simple boy,

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Speaker 2: this simple son, the simple son. So I think he's

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Speaker 2: just really like he just.

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Speaker 1: He had like other crazy things that we can gladly

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Speaker 2: Max had his own demons, and yeah, I'll have our own,

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Speaker 1: And so and so I really felt like you guys

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're still favored, although you can just

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Speaker 3: It's only what It's the only truth, I know. Baby,

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Speaker 3: You define you know, do you understand.

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Speaker 2: He could be holding out He's holding out chum for

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Speaker 2: you to have. He's baiting you think it's chumpy chum.

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Speaker 2: I'm the fisherman jump jump is a different thing altogether. Okay,

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Speaker 2: well what I was doing that too, But the Saint

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Speaker 2: chump change. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But and and Jet is so much older. He was

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Speaker 1: nine years older, so he was in college when I

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Speaker 2: So and he was always so like just the cooler

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Speaker 2: That's a very interesting thing because you know the expression,

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving dinner, everybody reverted to you they are as children.

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Speaker 2: And the difference. It seems that I tried to explain

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Speaker 1: You were not I was seven, so yeah, I might

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Speaker 1: have not been able to it was it was.

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Speaker 2: It was. It wasn't really, but it was. It was

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Speaker 2: that you and I are so much alike. Those were

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Speaker 2: not your words. Go ahead, no that, but I'm saying

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Speaker 2: to you that we're very alike. Anybody knows what we're

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Speaker 2: feeling at any time. Yes, the eye rolls, the sighing

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Speaker 2: the whatever it is, and that you were as a child,

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Speaker 2: You were exactly like I was. The point is that

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Speaker 2: you were like a born negotiator. And I think that Max,

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Speaker 2: with Arman Now.

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Speaker 3: It's funny, because that's why I'm a filmmaker, you know,

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Speaker 3: That's how I got in the industry. I was. I'm

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Speaker 2: I feel like that when the youngest child observes and

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Speaker 2: Max did. Like I would say time for bed, Max,

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Speaker 3: The only problem is I was going to sleep in

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Speaker 3: Funny how it works out that way. Winning personality just

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Speaker 3: not you just kidding. You're all my teachers. Let's keep

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Speaker 2: What do you think about leaving La? Moving out of La?

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Speaker 3: Which I would love it. It's so hard. La is

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Speaker 1: But I just mean that they were also there. You

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Speaker 3: And I just had the best time there, and I

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Speaker 2: When you guys were young for a period of time,

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Speaker 3: My first impression with Jess was I saw Jess in

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I was with maxim Space. Why would I do that?

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Speaker 3: I was in Matt Spicer. I was seeing Hannah at

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Speaker 3: That's not true. I said, can you just She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: That was the.

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Speaker 2: Story, that was the way she was too.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Then Jess and I made Jungle Land together and

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Speaker 3: tried to see Charlie Hunham and Jack O'Connell. He's now

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Speaker 3: It's a series about ed Gan. You don't need to

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Speaker 3: I did. That's what I'm talking about. Jack O'Connell's and Sinners,

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Speaker 3: Sinners is out ed, Dean's not out yet?

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Speaker 3: So Jess and I were staying in this hotel that

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Speaker 3: and we would drive to Providence because Providence has great restaurants.

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, I'm going to Providence.

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Speaker 3: I have It's my favorite restaurant town in the world

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Speaker 1: Great love that for you, that was one of the

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Speaker 1: best decisions you ever made, was marrying Jess.

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Speaker 2: I agree, agree she and and by the way, I

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Speaker 2: feel like she's very comfortable in our family because she's

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Speaker 2: just as looney as weird.

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Speaker 3: I remember Jess as strange, looney, looney.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think she's like cut from the same class.

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Speaker 3: She certainly is.

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Speaker 1: When I had a birthday, I remember our friends like

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Speaker 1: Hollie and Annie and Sam, everybody who's been friends with

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Speaker 1: you since high school and me since high school said she.

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Speaker 3: Totally fits in with the crazies, like this one's a keeper,

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Speaker 3: like she calls you on your like this is the one,

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Speaker 3: like this one's different.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 1: What was the first film you ever directed, and tell

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Speaker 1: us how that inspiration came to be.

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Speaker 3: It was called Ceremony. I was madly in love with

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Speaker 3: a married woman, and I wrote a movie about it,

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Speaker 3: and it came out and nobody gave me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, Thank you so much, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much. One more question, one more question. I

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Speaker 3: actually rewatched the movie recently, and I was so hard

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Speaker 3: on it because I put this is serious. Is this

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Speaker 3: the camera I should be looking at? Yeah, okay. I

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Speaker 3: put so much value into what other people thought and

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Speaker 3: what the New York Times. The New York Times referred

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Speaker 3: to it as a callo movie by a callo person

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Speaker 3: and cruel, cruel, and I cried. And it was important

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Speaker 3: for me to feel that rejection at the time because

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Speaker 3: I'd never felt it before, and it certainly was a rejection.

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Speaker 3: Whoa yep, But I dismissed the movie that all these

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Speaker 3: incredible people worked on and I was so proud of

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Speaker 3: when I made it, and it was such a mistake

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Speaker 3: because I rewatched it recently, thank you, I think incredible.

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Speaker 3: And then to dismiss it about that and like to

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Speaker 3: put the value of it on what someone else thinks

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Speaker 3: was so stupid because the making of it was so

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Speaker 3: important to me, and I rewatched it recently. I never

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Speaker 3: watched things that I do like, I'm so self critical,

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Speaker 3: believe it or not, believe it or not, I'm just

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Speaker 3: like everyone else.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I was just gonna say, God, go on, man,

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Speaker 1: and I watch it.

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Speaker 3: I was like, this is good. Like there's a couple

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Speaker 3: of things that I would have done differently, but like

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Speaker 3: it's such a good It's like exactly where I was

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Speaker 3: at twenty five, which is great.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing that you made a movie at twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I know, and I did it all by my self.

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Speaker 3: Neo baby, who the greatest thing ever would happen? Is

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Speaker 3: like I remember recently I went to a premiere of

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Speaker 3: a of a of something that I did and and

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Speaker 3: I thought I looked really good. Simone helped me get styled.

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Speaker 3: Bless her, she is a keeper. Simone and I got

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Speaker 3: Lifers Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants Lifers, and I went

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Speaker 3: and I remember I saw this great picture and I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I'm so glad I paid

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Speaker 3: for this publicist. It's like totally worth it. Like my

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Speaker 3: hair looks thick, follicles look in place, and my outfit

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Speaker 3: is great. And I just read the headline and said

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Speaker 3: Nepo Baby crashes premiere and I was like, there really is,

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Speaker 3: Like there's nothing else.

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Speaker 1: You can do here, wasn't it didn't you work on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: It was my show, but I, you know, did with

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Speaker 3: with with the pilot and executive produced all of it

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Speaker 3: with some very talented people. Let me tell you, where

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Speaker 3: was this New York City with the best picture And

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Speaker 3: it's literally like NEPO baby like crashes premiere and I

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Speaker 3: was just like, there's nothing I can do here. I'm

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Speaker 3: just like, I'm just going to continue to love mommy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we love you, mom. Happy Mother's Day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you come here. I'm really.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on another episode.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to