WEBVTT - I Don't Spruce (S1 E14, “That Damn Donna Reed”) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:17.000 I am all in. I want to kiss you. I 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.600 am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.000 Hey everybody, Scott Patterson here and this is the I 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.680 Am all In podcast with my Heart Radio. Uh. And 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.440 we are going to discuss that Damn Donna Read. What 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.120 an episode? Good God, We're gonna get into some Grantly 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.640 Phillips as well. He's here, he's waiting in the waiting room. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:43.880 So or he's arriving in his golden to the town 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.800 troop bodoor in his golden limousine somewhere on the highway 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.960 making his way towards the green room and getting all 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.279 miked up and ready for his appearance on our podcast. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:00.000 Grantly Phillips, the Town Troupe boder Anyway, what an epis? 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.600 So it was a laugh riot for me and so major. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.720 There's so many things happening. This is episode fourteen that 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.800 Damn Donna Read. Air date February twenty two, two thousand one. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.680 Rory and Dean argue about women's roles after watching The 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.160 Donna Rich Show, and Emily makes Lorelai face her feelings. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.560 I mean, where do you even begin? Where the heck 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.120 do you even begin? I know where to begin. Laurela 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:33.880 likes Luke. She thinks she might have feelings for him. Yeah, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.039 it's looking. Did you see him make his move though? 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.240 When they were on the floor looking at the the 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.200 he made you know where this dad wrote that order 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.679 down for nails and stuff like, and then he just 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.839 he moved in a little bit. He made a move. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.600 And then Taylor, because Lusa staid, Lucas stead wait, I 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.520 want to hear all your thoughts. Give us all your 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.560 thoughts on the whole episode, Luca, lore La. You know, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.600 I think the Luke and Laurel I stuff was funny, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.240 entertaining and daring. Luke made his move, you know, he 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.480 yet again made another move. This time it wasn't interrupted 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:13.960 by Mrs Kim. It was interrupted by Taylor and Taylor man, 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.239 I got old, Taylor, how great is hey? Man? How 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.360 great is hey? He's just like with a bunch of 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.919 the town's folks have knocking on the door. Was he 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.320 trying to wake me up for it? I was closed? 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.080 You know what a busy body Jesus. But I loved God. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:34.960 I just love how breezy and easy and kind of perfect. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.040 The interaction is between Luke and Laurel I I just 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.040 I just love us together, I really do. And uh, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.680 you know, as a critique of my own work, I 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.239 was really proud of my work. I really liked the work. Um. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.800 I thought there was some very funny moments, especially chasing 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:57.200 the baby chick. Um, but I I enjoyed And now 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.600 I remember doing those scenes and remembering how much I 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.320 enjoyed doing those scenes. Um. You know, it was a 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.520 new show and we were getting good ratings and we 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.600 were happy, and everybody was you know, everybody kind of 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.920 relaxed into the roles and we're sort of firing on 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.760 all cylinders but not pushing anything. So it was like, 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.840 I think in the beginning, we're pushing a little bit, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.640 but now we're sort of easing into that that nice 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.480 space where you're just doing some good work. And so 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.519 do you think your performance in this episode was stronger 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.560 than your performance in the episode where Richard has the 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.600 hard issue? Well, there was more to for me to 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.360 do in this episode. You know, I don't remember that 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.040 I had a lot to do in that episode. I 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.560 mean it was just see, I thought you were brilliant. 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.800 I thought Luke, really we really got to know Luke. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.800 And but but those situations. Okay, so those situations with 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:53.320 the Richard episode, those are easier to play because anybody 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.000 can play those those scenes because it's, of course that's 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:58.520 what you're gonna do. Of course you're going to be 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.720 the support of end. You know. Wow, that's interesting. And 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.080 this one it required a little it required another layer 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.840 where it was sort of like, now you have to 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.960 show that you're interested, that you really want her, but 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.720 you know, be a little bit secretive about it, so 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.040 it's not so super obvious and it doesn't turn her off. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.800 And and uh, that's what I enjoyed about it. It It 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.920 was that sort of banter, that going back and forth. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.760 I mean he would go from dismissive to kind of 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.240 relax and accepting to a little bit of a smile, 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.840 like just like that, and then move in for a 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.960 kiss and get interrupted and and then take you know, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.040 I like that hit a beer. I took it that. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.159 When she left, I was like, jeez, I need a drink. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.800 I almost kissed her. It's like almost and denied again. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.600 I mean that's the second or third time he's been 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:52.680 denied by a an annoying town member. Noted, interrupted, interrupted, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:58.960 well denied, denied. The universe conspiring against me. That's how Yeah, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:06.719 the the chemistry is so it's just so cool. And 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.839 are you feeling that when you're acting those scenes, almost 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.120 like you get pumped up by it? What does that 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.880 feel like when you're just ping ponging and having those scenes? 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.000 What is that like? It feels great? It's fun it Yeah, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.359 it feels like a couple of tennis players playing a 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.320 nice point, you know, just like hitting the ball, hitting shots, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.480 hitting shots. But I think it's because I think that 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.800 relationship worse. And this is this is what is dawning 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.840 on me a little bit here as I watched these episodes, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.520 is that laurelized very rebellious personality. She just is and 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.839 that's why we love her because she's unpredictable and she's 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.560 rebellious and you never know what's going to come out 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:44.839 of her mouth, but you know it's going to be 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.280 something funny, or it's going to be something a little 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:48.719 bit of reverend and that kind of a thing. And 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.880 she does it in the in the in the beginning 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:55.440 the dinner scene again, which I thought was just brilliant 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.680 hysterical reverence, such a great word, right, and then but 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.839 THANKS think she when she encounters me, she's encountering somebody 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:07.320 who is even more rebellious and more irreverence, so it 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.960 almost makes her look and feel lighter. I think it's 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.960 a sense, it's a good it's a good chemistry because 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.720 I'm a sort of a darker, heavier presence, but still 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:24.240 bellious and irreverent with a heart not like her. She's 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.120 got a heart for everybody. I've got a heart for 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.760 her and Rory, and that's pretty much about it, you know, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.080 So I'm very limited in how I can use my heart. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.520 So it's like, you know, the chemistry is that she's 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.240 going to be able to focus her heart maybe on 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.480 me in a romantic way, and that she will open 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.440 up my heart so I can lighten up and love 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.960 other people as well as her. So I think that's 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.320 the the sort of yang yin and the yang of it. 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.200 Do you feel like her moralized moments with Luke they 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.240 are like a breath of fresh air for her or 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.359 a lighter feeling. I don't know if anyone else feels that, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.160 but I do get what you're saying, like those scenes 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.280 do feel lighter, where her Emily Richard scenes are more 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:13.840 like snark, right, because because she I don't give off 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.600 the impression to Laurel. Luke doesn't give off the impression 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.120 to Laurel I that he needs her. There's no pressure 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.480 on her coming from him. It's just that, you know, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.960 I'm I'm the diner guy, I'm your friend. Everything is is, 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.320 So there's just no pressure coming from him. There's no 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.520 there are no head trips, there's no nothing. It's just 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.160 he's there. She can tell he did that, he digs her. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.400 She can tell that she's not an idiot, and you know, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.920 she's just not giving into it yet. She doesn't. There's 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.840 a lot at steak here. I mean there's a there's 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.720 a lot at steak, and she's not going to give 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.920 into it until it's just kind of overwhelming. And um 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.720 but yeah, I think Luke. And that's the reason I 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.800 wanted to plan it that way, Uh, to to have 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.680 somewhat of a way to your some darker, somewhat more 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:07.040 serious presence in that show, because if I'm anything other 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.880 than that, she's going to appear to be a little 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.560 too much in a romantic relationship. So I had to 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.240 kind of be the heavy and uh, you know, it 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.600 just works. It just worked. I totally agree. So what 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:26.320 do you Scott slash Luke feel in that scene when 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.560 Emily you know, goes aside with Laura Lyons says, you 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:36.080 know this guy is finding the bird and and he 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.800 was at the hospital and you're always with him. Do 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.640 you have feelings for him? And she finally admits, Lord 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.080 knows why she admits it to her mother, I don't know, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.160 maybe I do. How do you feel? When Emily says, well, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.559 and now there's a lot to talk about about that, right, 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.720 she says something dismissive about me. Yes, you like, then 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.680 we have to discuss are you are you out of 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.199 your mind or something like that to choose somebody like that, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:08.079 and right, okay. So that means therefore that Emily really 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:13.239 is is digging for honesty from Laura La about that situation, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:18.240 because it's really, you know, her being selfish. She wants 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.240 some closeness with her daughter. She wants her daughter, she 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.400 wants to have That's her way of of telling Laura La, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.240 I want to have a relationship with you. I want 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.680 to I want to dish dish with me. Let's talk 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.600 about this guy. You know. Yeah, that scene bothered me 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.200 because I really didn't like Emily in that scene because 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.559 I truly like Emily. I think she has mostly good intentions, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.760 although she's she's dark and complicated, but she gets Lorelei 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.280 to open up to her and then dismisses it, and 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.240 I that really bothered. But I think, Okay, you're right. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.520 But I think it's because she doesn't she wants to 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.960 have a an honest and kind of dishy mother daughter 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.880 thing because that's her only daughter. She wants more closeness. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.400 She wants to be close. But why does she want 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.880 to be close? I think her intention is she doesn't 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.920 want Laurel I'm making another mistake with somebody like me. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.520 And if she has an influence in her life, if 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.160 they're friends again, if they fall in love again, I'm 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.040 talking mother and daughter, if they have a closeness, um, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.959 maybe Emily can steer her in the right direction. I 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.920 don't think Emily gives up. I don't think she's given 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.520 up on Laurela trying to be an influence on her life, 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.800 getting her back to the country club because they're you 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.680 know what I mean. I mean, she's thirty two, she's young, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:44.160 she's very attractive, she's very young. She's going to be 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.800 an empty nester at thirty three years old. She's thirty 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.600 two now. Rory's going away, so she's still young and 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.600 very marketable on the dating scene at the country club, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.240 and I think I think Emily wants to set things right. 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.680 It's like, do the right thing by Rory, get her 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.880 to Yale, then get Laura La back in the country club, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.360 and get her going with the right guy who runs 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.480 this corporation or that corporation is an international businessman, and 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.280 so that I can have a normal life again and 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.000 not be embarrassed by my daughter anymore. I think you're 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.240 nailing it because that bothered me so much, because I 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.560 felt like she got Laura La to open up, and 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.720 she was very clever about how she did it, and 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.000 she was almost loving and motherly. And then I was 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:36.720 so disappointed in her reaction when Lorealy admitted it, and 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.480 it felt like Emily is trying to control her and 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.440 it didn't feel genuine that it really for some reason, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.520 in this amazing episode that has so many things I loved, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.920 especially Christopher coming back, we'll talk about that, but that 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:56.079 really bothered me. No, No, but it's I think she's 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.320 still Yes, she's self Emily, self serving, she wants her 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.600 life to go a certain way. She that's her child, 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.920 that's her only child, and it's and it's just screwed 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.000 up her life and it's screwed up her social life, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.320 and she's tired of apologizing for her daughter. And she 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.080 do you think she really wants to sit there and 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.720 dinner and say things like you know, and you know, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.720 and and talk under her breath about inappropriate things that 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.719 her daughter is saying at the dinner table. What is it? 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.480 The very the very first scene, Emily had some snarky thing, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.600 you know, and it was just very quick and it 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.560 was like, oh, here we go again, Laurali with the 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.719 comments and the funny jokes and this and that and 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.880 and what what? What did Emily say the very first thing? 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.160 But it was it was really cutting, and it was 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.480 really funny, and it was really kind of right on, 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.120 and it just shows how irritated she is that she 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.560 has this daughter that turned out this way. It's like 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.000 she wants to sit there and have an intelligent, sophisticated, 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:57.120 culturally appropriate conversation that the upper crust has. It's like 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.600 we needed, you know, we did the therapy episode about 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.360 Luke and lore La it's like, we need a therapist again, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.440 and we'll do it soon. Really breaking down this eft 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.120 up relationship that Emily and Laura la I have, it 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.680 is a hot mess. Emily wants to save her daughter. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.600 Now she sees an opportunity. She's taking control of Rory somewhat, 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.880 she thinks, right, that's what the Friday night dinners are 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.240 all about, getting control of Rory and then maybe trying 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.520 to rein in and manipulate Laurela back into the country 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.200 club sets so that she can meet an appropriate man 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.080 because she's worried that that she likes me. She's worried 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.080 about she doesn't want me in the mix with all 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.400 that money. Right, yeah, and look at one ahead of myself. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:47.200 But it's why they love Christopher. He's appropriate. They love Christy, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.000 he's one of them. And that's another strength of the show. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.160 It's it's it's it's how the rich fight. That's how 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.720 they what they do. They don't want their kids trafficking 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:05.000 in Luke Danes is they do not. They do not. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:09.079 Oh he owns a diner and stars hollow. Great, nice, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.960 good for you. They don't care about the chemistry between us. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.080 They don't care about you know, if it could be 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.559 potentially there you were, there, you were at the hospital. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.040 There you are on the floor of the house. You know, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.120 there you are there, you are bringing the ice. You know. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.240 It's like it's like Emily is missing the things that 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:35.880 matter so much. She invited them to Martha's vineyard because 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.000 they found the house. You know, the guy died, and 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:43.200 and now they had a house to rent um and 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.160 and so she invited the two of them. She didn't 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.160 didn't invite me or any but I mean, it's a 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.960 little too soon for that anyway, But she she doesn't 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.960 want to be in a position where I would show 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:56.480 up anyway if Lauren and I were together. Very complicated, 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.440 but there's so much in this episode. This really is 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:06.040 a phenomenal episode without a question, my god, And you 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.440 know what, I think. I was a little harsh about 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.000 the Rory Dean stuff. It was pretty no I you know, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:19.440 it's so weird. I enjoyed that because I sort of 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:24.640 wasn't totally mad at Dean obviously, like, and I'd love 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.960 to hear what Riley and Danielle say, Like I understand 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.560 why Rory is like fired up about it, but at 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.280 the same time, I sort of like that is so 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.800 Dean of Dean, But but it's now it's just showing 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.880 how naive kids are. They don't understand the period that 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.000 that was shot and written. I mean, this is the 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:48.520 post World War two entertainment complex, right, I mean, all 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.760 these guys coming back from World War Two, the whole 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.040 country coming back from World War two, and women contributed 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.480 mightily to the war effort in the United States. I 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.760 mean they were on the assembly line putting missiles in 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.320 bull It's together and all kinds of things. Everybody chipped 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.720 in uma and it was a you know, it was 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.480 a full time, full time job kicking those Nazis asses. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.120 You know, it really was. Everybody chipped in and and 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:16.360 but the men came back so traumatized and so young. Uh. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.000 And the government felt so bad about it because you know, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.320 PTSD wasn't a thing back then. Um. You know, these 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.760 guys get the free college on the g I bill 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.600 like my father did, and they all they wanted to 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.000 is just to have families and quiet and peace and 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.600 children and dogs in a white picket fence. And that's 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.960 all they wanted. So making your man a meal, knowing 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.840 that we had just been through you know, four or 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.720 five years of hell on earth and we almost lost 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.600 our way of life and thank god, you know it's 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.840 over now. You know you're gonna make the poor guy 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.240 a meal because you know what he wants. Yeah, with 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.760 the Donna Reed show and the shows of that time, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.520 everyone at home is wanting to total escape to look 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:07.760 at how great everything is and pushing the American, pushing 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.159 the Levitt towns, pushing that way of life. A chicken 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.520 and every pot in a car in every garage. Yes, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.760 So Riley and Danielle who are of a different generation, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.520 what did you guys think of the Rory Dean Donna 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:27.479 Reed thing? So for me, like I I understood both sides, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.040 Like I have very traditional parents, so I understood Dean 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.040 side of like, you know, making the meal from the wife, 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.359 makes meal for the husband, like the very traditional side. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.560 But then I also understand Rory side of like being 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.880 an empowered woman and doesn't have to be that way 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.360 and breaking out of the norm. So I definitely see 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.439 both sides. I agree. I Mean the one thing that 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.520 bothers me is if my husband's like, so, what's for 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.800 dinner tonight? And I'm like, I don't know, you tell me, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.879 you know, like if he tells me that like red, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.680 see red, but I will. I do think it was 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.480 very innocent of Dean, right, Like I think he was 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.320 just a dude that likes to get fed. You know, 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.120 he's like, you're gonna make me dinner today. That makes 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.840 me so happy. I don't think he had any like 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.000 malintent to that at all. I think he was just 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.840 a dude that loves a meal from the girl he likes. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.520 But it's not only it's not only genetic, it's it's 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.560 it's it's behavioral, it's what it's conditioning, it's what they 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.800 who fed me when I was growing up. My mom 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.040 my dad didn't feed me. But my dad did feed me. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.800 He went out and made the money and you know, provided, provided, provided, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.760 But it was my mother who was feeding me. She 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.600 was cooking and feeding. That's all. That's all Guys at 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.080 age one, I think guys as even if they get older, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.040 they want their mommy's feeding them. Yeah, Dean is a 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.200 simple guy. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's a different Uh, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.000 it was just a whole different generation. I mean, it's why, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.120 here's the thing, and we're getting ahead of ourselves. But 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.480 it's why Dean and Rory don't end up together. Yeah, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:04.359 once traditional and one is non simple and she's so complicated. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.320 That's why I love Logan. But we'll talk about it later. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.080 We're gonna talk. I mean, I cannot wait for that. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.400 But what do you think of a motorcycle and Christopher? 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:20.240 And what did you you, Scott, because you couldn't probably 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.480 remember everything. I think when that did you know immediately 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.720 that Christopher was on that motorcycle? I figured it out 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:31.120 pretty quick. Yeah, what did you think? It was a 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.000 devastating moment personally for me because I thought Luke was 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.200 gaining so much ground. I mean, that's like, you know, 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.080 that's like, you know, the quarterback is handing to the 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.960 ball and you're going three yards and a and a 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:47.800 cloud of dust and you're on the you know, you're 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.480 just getting beat up and you're almost there and you're 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.080 gonna score the winning goal, a little touchdown, and then 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.879 all of a sudden, quarterback throws a little two yard 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.320 passed to a wide receiver just came into the game, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.920 you know, this first end of when he gets all 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.000 the glory, and it's like that's how I felt. It's 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.720 like rug pulled out from under you rug pulled out, 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.639 as audience fans were like, yes, yes, oh wow, like 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:19.119 it's the ultimate curveball, like here comes this motorcycle. And 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:23.440 as a first time viewer, you know, Danielle, you can comment, 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.560 were you like who is that dude? And then all 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.200 of a sudden, Rory's like, Dad, were you just like 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:34.160 what just by the way that you saw Laura Lite 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:39.520 When that motorcycle pulled up, I was like, oh, that's Christopher, 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.600 Like I knew right away before Rory even said, Dad, 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:48.600 I'm like, oh, no, here he is. It's amazingly well done, Scott. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.680 Can you remember I mean, I'm sure you probably weren't 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.919 around that day, but can you remember then shooting that. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:00.480 I can't wait to find out what everyone listening thinks 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.440 of Christopher because I know how I feel about Christopher 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.159 obviously I kind of know how you feel. But I 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.760 can't wait to see like if fans I think they 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.840 a lot? Do Yeah? I love it? I think a 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.560 lot too, And I don't blame him. He's a hell 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.240 of a guy. And man, I mean I mean talk 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.280 about you know, just the visual alone, right, and he's 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.080 like pulling up in the leather jacket and he says 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.320 the cool line, Hey, okay, take your shirt off. That's 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.800 what he said from his motorcycle with a helmet on. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.080 Laureliz is like, huh, and I know we have to 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.000 go to break, but like they've got a witty bantern 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:44.360 you because they have a very similar ping pong that 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.640 you do with Laura. Yeah, but there's this very country 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.239 club yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, with the with the like, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.240 but we don't want that. There's like, no, they have 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.560 the country club ping pong with no conflict, even though 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.040 they had the history Laureline and it's all it's all 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.000 it's all sexual tension. Yes, yeah, alright, so we gotta 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.920 take a break. We'll be back with Grant Lee Phillips, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.680 the town troubadour, who we see for the first time 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.560 in this episode. So we'll we'll be right back. Yeah, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:26.720 there he is the legend. Are you doing, buddy, I'm 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.680 doing good? Thank you? How are you good to see it? 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:32.360 Thanks for coming on, I'm good. Pleasure. So let's get 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.000 into this this this episode. This is your first appearance, 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.760 isn't it is? In an episode? There you were, There 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:43.960 you were, and all your glory. Grant Lee Phillips appears 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.920 as the grant the Town Troubadour until of nineteen Gilmour 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.480 Girls episodes from two thousand and two thousand and seven. 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.440 You're a musician who played guitar and sings and stars hollow. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.880 It is said that you do not accept money. Uh, 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.280 and you were elected the official town Troubadour during a 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.880 town meeting two thousand and one. So let's talk about 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.639 your background in music and how did you get the 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:11.359 part of the Town Troubador. Where were you initially cast 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.080 for a certain amount of episodes or was it just 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.520 the one? And they said, I believe it was just 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:21.119 for the one, you know, um Amy Sherman Palladino, Daniel Palladino. 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:26.119 They were fans of Grantly Buffalo and had followed me 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.159 into what was the beginning of my solo career at 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.760 that time, early early two thousand's, like maybe like two thousand, 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:36.359