WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Stephen Hill 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:09.959 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and Gentlemen, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.360 My name is Questlove. That this is q LS classic. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.240 When we look back at classic Quest Love Supreme episode, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.280 this one was a doozy. This is from December seventh, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:23.400 twenty sixteen. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.480 However, the night that we've recorded this was the night 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.400 of the presidential elections. Kind of came in the door 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:36.560 thinking that then Senator Hillary Clinton had it in the bag, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:42.440 and midway through the episode you just hear are yeah, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.960 And that's because, yeah, we found out whose winner was 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:48.760 going to be that night, and we didn't know what 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:53.520 America was in for who Anyway, Stephen Hill, a good 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:59.680 friend of the show, performer, et executive and now you 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.720 know general Love of Music, shares this. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.840 Journey with us and it's an amazing show. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:04.880 Hope you enjoy. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.800 This is Stephen Hill or Quest Love Supreme Classic from 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.120 December seventh, twenty sixteen. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:23.759 Suprema Su Su Suprema Roll Call, Suprema. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.760 Sun Sun Supremo Role Call. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:32.680 Suprema Sun Sun Suprema Roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun Suprema 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:33.480 Roll Call. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:39.959 My name is Quest Love. Yeah, you're resident. Yeah nothing 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.119 the President. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.960 Sun Suprema Roll call Suprema Sun Sun. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.840 Suprema roll call. My name is Fonte. Yeah. My style 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:52.640 so elegant. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:53.400 Yeah. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:02:02.560 Some even say, yeah, I'm too intelligent, Suprema. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.520 My name is Stephen. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.600 Yeah, just like I guess. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:10.760 Yeah, the only difference. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:12.680 Yeah, he's more well dressed. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:20.480 Supremo Supreme roll call, Supreme Suprema. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.840 Ro still is my first name. Yeah, my middle name 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:28.600 is Earl. Yeah, waiting for some reruns. Yeah, of Cedar's. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.639 World, Super. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:37.160 Supreme, roll called Supreme son So Supremo roll. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:43.200 Yeah, and I'm a little sad, Yeah because Obama gone. Yeah, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:43.920 I miss her. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:52.959 Roll call Supremo something something Supreme roll call, Primo Supreme roll. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.280 My name is Stephen. Yeah, I got that base. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:12.760 Yeah, I'm about to put Yeah, Supreme Supreme Suprema roll 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.920 Suprema Suprema roll. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:27.119 Give yourself? How you doing? Still ain't got fired yet? 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.240 Now we're still here. I'm shocked we are still here 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.880 after all this time. Ladies and gentlemen, what's up? Welcome 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.720 to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. I am your host, 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.560 Amir quest Lov Thompson, and we have another great show 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.480 for you this week on the show. Today, we have 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.560 the president of Programming at BT Networks, mister Stephen Hill. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.360 We'll bring him on in a minute, but before we 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.480 do that, let's check in quickly with Team Supreme. How 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:52.120 you doing. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.560 Man, I'm good man. I have some foolish to jump 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.640 off at the crib. Yeah, some foolish to jump off. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:03:59.960 At the crib. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.520 The day my uncle got shot. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.320 Whoa, and so I gotta I gotta go home and like, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.720 see what's up. He was shot in the stomach exit 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.160 through his back, and so. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.560 Yeah, just another day in the life, my brother. How 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.880 y'all doing? Forget about? How are you doing? 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:20.760 How's your uncle doing? 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:21.120 Right? 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:21.400 Well? 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.640 I mean he's he's well, he's in critical condition and 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:29.320 he's he's on a respirator I think. And so he 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.560 had a surgery and now he has I have another 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.560 surgery because it got h What was it hit is 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:38.359 it took some of his They had to take some 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.880 small intesting I think, and it hit some of it. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.440 But it exit, which is a good thing if it exits. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.440 But if it stays, that's like you're totally fucked if 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.279 it stays. But they had to take something small intestine 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:57.159 but he's sixty four five and he already has like 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.159 some other health issues, so it's a lot so but 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:01.800 uh but no, but no that I mean, you know 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.400 this praise up for my uncle, you know what I mean. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.320 And but but I'm good man. Everything else is everything 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:06.880 else is cool. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.240 Well, it's just that Fante is still spot on with 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:11.840 his dead pan humor. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:13.760 If you were just waiting for the punch on, my 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.280 first response was to laugh. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.960 Yeah, my uncle got shot. Yeah, I was like, wait 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:25.480 a minute, no, I mean you got no laughter. But 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.840 but nah, man, he's uh prays up for him. But 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.040 other than that, I'm cool, you know what I mean. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.440 I'm in New York City. How's your family, Steve, They're 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:33.040 not shot. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:35.640 I've not been shot, okay, No. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.760 Just you know, I want to make sure everyone's family. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.720 That's good. It's good, Bill, you. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.920 Gots Yeah, everybody is alive, you know, and excited about 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:47.880 this new year. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.840 Yes, that's what it is. That's what we call it 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:51.360 new year. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:52.920 And I'm excited. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.120 What is this new year going to bring us? We 0:05:55.160 --> 0:06:00.520 don't know even No, I'm just saying, you know, January 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.000 special for you. Well, it's you and I that's right, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.000 it's special for you and I yeah. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.680 Well it's not here because as a woman when you 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.440 turn babies and no husband, it's a little different. But 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.080 quest love what your birthday? 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.120 What was you gonna be like how I'm always out 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.159 of the country the way anybody wants to say gifts. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:24.400 Here's the thing though, because usually around inauguration time, Uh, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.120 my birthday falls on MLK Day and Inauguration Day, so 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.839 people just naturally forget it's my birthday. And uh, one 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:37.440 time when I turned thirty, I thought, oh, okay, you remember, okay, 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.479 light and I go way back to Philadelphia. So the 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.880 tasty treats collective, Yes, I thought, like, y'all mean and 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.360 Stacey were like, set me up for like a thirty birthday, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.920 bast They were like, yeah, we used to spend next 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.480 next Sunday because you know, special night on Monday. And 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:52.719 you know, I thought it was my birthday, so I 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.800 wore suit, I was all happy, walked in the room 0:06:54.880 --> 0:07:00.560 like surprise, there's no one in the room to embarrass 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.400 myself in front of my girls. I was just like 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.400 they so let's go and we went to VIP and 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.440 then I was like, oh, y'all really wanted me to 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.120 DJ tonight and there was like three people there, and I. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.880 Was like, that's the story of January twentieth and our birthday. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:20.080 It is even even when Obama got inaugurated, not one 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.880 person remembered it was my birthday except for my mom 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.280 my mom. No, but I mean it was a historic day. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:27.160 So I forgive. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.840 That's almost like, you know what, man, I had something 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.960 similar heavening to do me. That was almost like I 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.000 was married once in a former life, and our anniversary 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.560 just so happened to fall on the same day that 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.400 Michael Jackson died. Oh no, And so we went out, Yeah, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.440 we went out. And we went out one night. I 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.200 used to throw a party downtown Raleigh and it was 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.000 just a regular just just a dance party. And so 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.800 Mike died that day, and so and my party was 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.120 on Thursday. It was always on Thursday night. And so 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.000 Mike died that day, and so it was also our anniversary, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.400 and so my wife at the time wanted to go 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.520 out and she wanted to come with me to the party. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.520 I said, Okay, cool, we'll come out, we'll celebrate whatever. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.520 But Mike had died, and so I'm fucking Bill boss 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.760 Bill he had a gig somewhere in Atlanta. He was 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.800 in Atlanta, and so he damn crying and shit, I'm 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.800 in the phone. I'm on the phone, fucking like just cry. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.160 I'm like, dude, why am I crying over Michael Jackson? 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.760 But I was fucked up? So we go out. Now, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.120 So we come to the party. Everybody shows up. They 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.760 got the Black high Waters on with the white socks 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.040 and the loafers and everything, and so we just playing 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.280 Mike all night going in and my wife didn't really 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.120 get that much attention. So then later on as we divorced, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.680 as you probably could gather, later on, she brought that 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.280 up as a bone content. She was like, I remember 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.520 we went out that night and it wasn't even our anniversary. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.080 Y'all was celebrating Michael Jackson. And I just remember telling her. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.480 I was like, yo, she tried to blame. She was 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.320 celebrating the Michael's life as well. No, no, it's not that 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.080 that was a callisquar divorce, but just as to say, well, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.640 I f I wasn't. I didn't get my attention that night, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.040 and I was and I was just like, listen, that's 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.199 Michael Jackson. Like I mean we will hopefully have other anniversaries. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.280 I mean we're not, but there's only one Michael Jackson, Like, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.000 are you fucking kidding me? 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:20.160 Like you didn't make thriller? I mean you brought me 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.360 a son into the world. Okay, cool? Like right, you 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.640 brought you gave me a son, all right? That ship 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:25.640 wasn't off the wall. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.280 Though, so that was kind of you know, you could 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.400 see why Barrys maybe didn't last. But we're great friends 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.240 now and it's cool. But but nah, I hear you. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.880 Whenever big events happened, you kind of can't compete with that, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:38.960 and you just got to accept it. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.320 Wait, I didn't know that I can compare real life 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.760 relationship matters with our classic albums. Look at my face 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.160 light up right now? I had kind of this dinner 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:55.640 was okay, but you know it wasn't no purple. You 0:09:55.720 --> 0:10:00.679 know it might have been love sex. You know, chicken 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:01.480 was real love. Joe. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.400 Wait, you you gotta announce this, this amazing laugh that 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:05.880 we got in the room because I don't think we 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.640 didn't said about our guest is up in. 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:13.480 Here with us? Listen, yes, where is Yes? Let's do it? 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.199 Like well, since you, oh, don't make me do it. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.320 The man because I know you're ladies and. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.560 Gentlemen, boys and girls. The man who has shaped the 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:28.560 narrative of one of the first black TV channel in 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.800 our nation. The man that gave us the Real Prince Tribute. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:33.440 Hello. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.640 The man that kept Team some of the life for 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.959 a little bit, because I'm sure he was there for 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:43.840 that long, gave us Sita, the Man, Rap City, Joe Claire, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:50.840 Chris Thomas, Rachel Caribbean rhythms, jam b E t so 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:57.240 uh Real Husbands of Hollywood. Uh, step Hills here, y'all? Wow, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.320 I mean you see yeah? 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.079 Can we call you mister president? 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.080 So you got to call me something because there's another 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.160 step in here. So we got to figure out Sugar 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:08.360 Sugar Steve. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.079 You want to know why we can hold on to 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:12.800 that name tightly? 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.720 Do you want to know why we call short version 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.400 short version? He has diabetes? There you go, so he's down. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.079 You can laugh, we laugh about it. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.360 Okay, okay, all right, We're five minutes in and so 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.760 far we have a guy who has diabetes and somebody 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:30.880 whose uncle got shot. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:36.760 This and might I just say, mister Hill, congratulations on 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.439 being the most successful radio person ever to go to 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.280 TV like I mean, I you know, people have dreams, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.199 some of us and you have lived it. So congratulations, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.480 we're making out the radio story. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:50.960 So you're saying that's a hard transition. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:51.720 Yep. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.720 That excuse excuse me for calling you this when niggas 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.880 say they have successful TV careers. I can't wait to 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:57.640 get back to radio. 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.920 Really, you want to go back to radio. I love rate. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.640 Come on, I've loved no no. I grew I grew up. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.040 I wanted to be Donna Simpson when I grew up. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.680 I I grew up in d I grew up in DC. 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.760 I go back to the idea of radio. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.840 I want to go back. I want to have listen 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.080 to Deven Love Supreme. That's what I like to have 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.720 at some point in time. So the idea of radio, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.760 the idea of music and personality and having discussions about music. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:22.600 That's what it was when I was in radio. I 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:22.880 loved that. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.680 You want to know something, I'd spent two days in 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.439 d c uh previously. You know. I love the fact 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.240 that Howard station is still. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.280 The best station in the world. Yes, I said it loud. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.120 W h u R is the best. Every radio station 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:40.800 in the work that's. 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.560 Because it's it's independent independent, it's not it's not owned 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:44.559 by one of the Kings. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.520 Are they the last Mohican in a black music in 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.040 the United States? Close to it or besides Steven st 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:51.840 Stevie Stevie's that has. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.839 Such good positioning on your radio dial. I feel like 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.600 everybody else is eighty something when that's college. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.920 College is when you're below ninety two point three. If 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.319 you're below ninety two point three, you're you're either publicly 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.400 funded or college above. That is where you start playing 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:04.880 with the money. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:05.720 That's amazing. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.480 Yeah, so h R HU R. But HUR is not 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.800 owned by any of the big you know people who 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.400 own five hundred radio stations so they can channels. Yep, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.680 they aren't. So they aren't beholden to any contracts to 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.800 play this certain song this many times a day so 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.360 the artist will show up at their station. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:25.079 Why do you have these romantic visions of radio as 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.640 it was in your childhood. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.800 Because it was that way when I was in radio. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.800 That's all like I missed. It's like it'd be like 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.160 the Rip van Winkle of radio, Like I got out 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:34.959 of it a certain time then fell asleep for twenty 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.719 some id years and then go back and expect it 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.400 to be exactly the same. But it wouldn't be right. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.240 First of all, my voice would be a tape another city. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, you would you be in a computer? 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:46.920 What is the question? 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.960 Would you go back to terrestrial radio or would you 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.199 try satellite or a pandora? 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.280 I would try anybody who would have me and be 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.960 playing great music and talk to great folks. Oh yeah, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:57.440 well what. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.640 Is great music? Stephen Hill? That's a fascinating statement you 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:01.200 made there. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.280 Well, this is the thing because I know the thing 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:10.719 is is that you know I understand that it's I mean, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.520 this is almost like a relationship like do you think 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.040 with your heart or do you think with your brain? 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.440 And you know, lately I've been accused of this like 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.680 cats always kind of joke like oh you know, you're 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.160 such a suit your suit meaning really. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:32.160 Yeah yeah, yeah no, just well I'll tell you why 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.040 after you after you do you think I'm a suit? 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:35.680 Yeah? I think you think like a suit? 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.960 Yeah, oh okay, that's interesting. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.280 It's whear that my suit is accusing me of being 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:42.040 a suit. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.000 In a suit the same sweatshirt on. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.480 Wow, so you get the suit? Say where does that 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.000 come from what do they mean by that? Here's the thing. Well, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:59.920 number one, I'm I see, I don't I get offend. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:07.200 The idea of me being over calculating or overthinking really 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.280 didn't come into play until, like I think, like a 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:16.040 Pitchwork review of the Tipping Point. And then slowly, and 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.480 only because Pitchfork was such the Emperor's new clothes of 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.080 record criticism that other critics would see what Pitchfork was 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.840 saying and then they would start that was like the forecast, right, 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.400 And then slowly, between like two thousand and five and 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.280 two thousand and eight, I started seeing, well, you know 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.680 he overthinks everything and da da da da da da da, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.000 which I mean, okay, granted, like it's that's lazy journalism 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.440 when you just see what they say and then you 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:46.160 paraphrase it. But then I personally got offended because I 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.080 just felt like, why does the black guy like, why 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.040 do I have to be accused of thinking too much? 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.400 But the thing is that I feel like life is science, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.160 Like you're either going to go on science or you're 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.120 going to go on faith. Okay, you're even Christianity or science. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.880 And I'm not saying I don't believe in faith, but 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.280 I believe in science. I believe in numbers, and I 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.680 believe in occurrences, and I believe in circles, and I 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:16.360 believe in patterns. Yeah, patterns, And somehow I don't know, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.200 I feel as though it might read less authentic if 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.880 it's planned ahead of time, as opposed to people just 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.760 like the narrative of the spontaneity of magic happening. And 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.480 it does have flat like a guy like Prince. And 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.800 this is from a coming from a scientist that is 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.160 listened to at least I'll say I put in a 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.800 good one hundred and fifty hours of listening to Prince rehearsals. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.480 And I mean stuff that the average guy would run 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.160 out of patients of listening to. I mean George Clinton's 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.800 greatest quote about princes, like damn man, even that cat 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.960 rehearses is spontaneity, you know, and it's just like to me, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:03.000 I mean that might seem sudi like the the idea 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.199 of over preparing and that sort of thing. So it 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:12.000 reads less authentic because it's scientific and not just I 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.159 think it would be that doesn't read scientifically, that just 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.040 the reason of a person just putting into work for 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:16.600 the craft. 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:17.320 You know what I'm saying. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.280 I think Sudi would be all right, We're gonna get 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.320 Max Martin to produce the new Roots album, Like that 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.320 would be a suit thing, if you know what I mean. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.320 If you let's get Scott Storts to do the first 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.439 single for our next record. Yeah, that happened. Scott Storch 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.920 was a member of the Roots, right, But Scott stor 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.320 did the first single, things Fall Apart, But he hadn't 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.720 been a member a member of the Roots for Yeah, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.320 but Scott Storch did the most loved all the time. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.359 But okay, Scott Storch being considered a member of the Roots, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.399 I'm trying to think of a great analogy. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.959 Is it's like he never left. Like the thing is 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.399 that you never leave the Roots, Malik, Okay, So is 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:56.359 Kalie still a Route? 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.440 Kalise? Was she a Root? 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.320 She was like six months but I thought, all see, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.320 But the thing is is that the Roots are like 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:10.280 Steely Dan, you know it's it's it's fake session and 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.320 then a bunch of session players. But I but I 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:18.359 understand the romantic attachment to members, like why do I 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.359 love the Revolution? Like Princess had better more technical musicians, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.880 but my heart's always with the revolution. Yeah, and I 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.639 understand people's attachments to it, but I mean on the 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.840 real like I mean, James Poyser has been a route 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.639 since Do You Want More, but really hasn't been officially 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:40.679 what I said. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.960 Scott wasn't hasn't been a root for a long time. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.399 It's like he wasn't really a constant presence on the records. 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:49.000 He's always been just his Yeah, but I mean Scott 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.680 was therefore it ain't saying nothing new and you got 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.720 me and then adrenaline. Scott Storte is all over things 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:55.320 fall apart. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.560 Just formulas. You're basically saying that you're not a suit 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.760 just because you have a formula. Did you think would work? 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:01.440 Yeah? 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.159 But I never went out like, hey, let's get it 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.639 hit with Scott storage. It was just like the sooth 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.000 thought concerning the tipping point. The sooth thought was fall 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.480 back a mirror and let's do something well, let's do 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.040 something normal. Only because Jimmy and I Bean was like 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.000 he really didn't get and didn't have the time to 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.399 absorb and come and observe and all that stuff, like 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.679 he's dealing with nineteen other platinum artists, So it was 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.960 just like, let's just do the most normal. I got 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:37.399 to put my two cents on Star and maybe like 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.000 which was my favorite song some other joints. But really 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.240 it was just like that was my most hands off Okay, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.320 what do I do? And let you guys do the work. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.720 But yeah, I don't think there's anything calculating on that level. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.760 So anyway, Stephen, I'm sorry. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.399 I'm still trying to figure out who the Jeff Skunk 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:56.600 Baxtra of the Roots is. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.720 A man that would be uh would it be Kurt? 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:02.720 Did I figure out what Jeff Skunk Baster is. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:07.879 Or brother effort? 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:12.359 Steely Dan had at least nineteen revolving musicians around the 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.600 planets of Fagin and Becker and a few other people. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.720 But when you learn you're just a surface Steely Dan fan. Okay, 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:19.240 thank you guys. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.080 No, but this is what the show watch, y'all. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.879 Watch Michael Jackson tapes over all. 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.480 Right, I could do that forever, you know, I could 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:25.679 do that? 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:27.800 Is he your favorite? 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:29.160 Yeah? 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.400 It's tough when you have it's tough when it's princes 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:31.719 in the room. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:32.040 It's tough. 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:36.639 It's tough. You talk about practicing spontaneity. I didn't know 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.520 that much about Prince, but Michael Jackson felt like he 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.520 rehearsed a lot of spontaneity, like there was whatever it 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.119 was like, can I come down there and sing? You know, 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.560 it was the same point at the same show. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:53.760 I assure you everyone probably maybe George Clinton's p funk 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.840 mom because they were too hard to control. But I 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.240 assure you I've seen repetition even with like listen, Coltrane 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:06.119 outtakes his entire Temple University series of like nine shows 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.560 right after Love Supreme came out. Even his his his 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.439 scaling of solos were the same level. So it's like, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.760 I think anyone that great just you know, has a 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:19.920 pattern they follow due to hours of practice. 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.960 But that's funny because anybody that great, most fans just 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.160 don't know that they have a pattern. And so maybe 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.280 the people who call you a suit they just you know, 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.120 know you behind the scenes so well, But. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:35.400 I don't mind being called to suit old suit or wait, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:37.439 I had to look to the left to see what 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:43.720 Bill's response was. So Steve, back to you and your 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.080 your humble beginnings in radio, Can I can I assume 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:52.919 that you uh kind of your curiosity about radio started 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.040 with like making up your own radio programs at the 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.720 house and tape recorders. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:01.200 And absolutely absolutely I just same thing. I was grew 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.600 up in d C, where I thought the radio. I 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.399 didn't realize it then, but the radio there was so 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.439 crazy great, the w p g C, which eventually came 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.400 an urban station, but it used to be a station 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.240 where you'd hear earth wind and fire next to Barry 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.320 Man a Low next to the Jackson five like it was. 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.800 It was just all this is is a pop station? 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:21.720 Was this like pe D Green, Dewey Hughes, was this? 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:26.200 Yeah, ol Oil is the station I listened to in 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.960 the car in my dad's Mustang when you drive drive 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.520 through Southeast, you know, during the weekend. 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.040 Melvin Lindsay was a little later. 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.240 I think Melvin Lindsay a little later. Yeah, But Peter Green, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.800 Peter Green was around Bobby. I can't think of Bobby's 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.800 last name, Bobby Burner. I can't think Bobby Burner something Burner. 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.800 All right, Well, explain where did you grow up? Was 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:45.280 it DC? 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:46.080 Southeasts? 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:46.879 You were born in d C. 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:49.800 Yo, that's the only part of DC that's still not 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:50.920 one hundred percent gentrified. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.760 Yet they're getting close, tough, getting very they got as 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.439 anacostia bridge. It's gonna be an issue. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.399 Describe specifically what black radio was like. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.600 It was AM, it was w O L, it was AM. 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:07.800 It was am w ok. 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:12.280 Your visions and romantic visions of what radio was has 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:13.639 an AM frequency to it. 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.679 Yeah, I mean at the beginning, at the beginning, now 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.399 it's now it's FM. At the beginning where I learned 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.920 to love music, it was absolutely AM radio w O L, 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:27.760 w OK, w e E M for a pop station 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.720 PGC I think was FM by then it was actually 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.200 AM and FM, but it was. It was. It was 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.200 sound coming out of my father's nineteen sixty six Mustang 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.680 fake convertible, you know they had it had like the 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.000 cool green color, but there was a black but it 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:43.120 wasn't really a convertible. 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.480 It made it look like O convertible. Yeah, that's just 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.200 kind of the Chrysler three hundred of its exactly. 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:50.320 Exactly. 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:52.879 This is Quest Love, Supreme, Wor and Pandua. And if 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.240 you're just tuning in, we're chatting with our guests. The 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.080 head of programming at BT Networks, Stephen Hill. Okay, I 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.639 guess you're the first guest that was born on the 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.920 far east of the United States, where a lot of 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:11.399 our Midwestern guests told stories of just being one radio 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.920 station and maybe two hours of soul music. 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:15.840 Whereas Plus it's still the stop. Remember DC's below the 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.399 mazing Dixon line and very black. So it was one 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:22.520 of those rare cities four black radio stations. It still does. 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:27.720 Yes, Okay, so WEIM wasn't their black station. WPGC wasn't black. 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.040 Then that was the pop station, but that's the one 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.520 that we played bury Man Low and Earth wind Fire 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:39.200 and wild Cherry and O L and Okay We're am 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.080 and then okay became FM one hundred point three. 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:43.919 You could trust radio back then? 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.680 Oh yes, absolutely. I trusted it with my heart absolutely. 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.280 So were you DJ at heart or just like you 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:52.480 wanted to be a personality. 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.959 I just wanted to be around music as much as 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:57.639 I possibly could. Like there was I'm sure everybody had 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:58.840 that experience of getting in the car and like the 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:00.520 first thing you do is turn on the radio. Like 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:02.560 the biggest, the biggest thrill I ever had when we 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.359 got a car that we could turn the radio on 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.800 before the engine came on. I remember that there was 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.960 a Volkswagen that came out of Mom got a Volkswagen. Yeah, 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.520 and the radio would turn on. Now this caused challenges, 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.359 of course, when you go to listen to the radio 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.840 in the car. Sometimes I would just look outside and 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:20.600 listen to radio in the car without going anywhere, and 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:22.199 then leave the radio on and the battery be. 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:22.520 Out and. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.280 But yeah, so that that's the first part of music, 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.720 and it was motown. It was James Brown. James Brown 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.800 was my first, uh musical crush ever, like that was 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.120 my first idol, like that when we saw James Brown 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:42.520 on TV move and he was in the middle of 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.800 his going from process to Afro phase. So say it, 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.879 say that Loud's transition. He was transitioning. Say it Loud was. 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:52.640 I think I was like seven or eight years old, 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:54.159 but that meant something to me. I didn't know what 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:55.720 I didn't know what black and White was at that 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.760 point in time, but I knew something about that song 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:00.240 spoke spoke to me. 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.080 Were you attending concerts by this point or. 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:10.479 First concert was July second, nineteen seventy Temptations, Temptations right 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.160 after the right after psychdelic h It was after one 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.280 album after that Ballic Confusion was on the album That's 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:18.960 Skyt's limmit right, I got a. 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.480 Check to get I have to check was that like, 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:21.879 Howard did you go see that? No? 0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.119 No, I was actually came out to My dad had 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.200 to work in LA for the first half of that year, 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.159 so we came out at the end of June. I 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:28.840 remember this very well. 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:29.520 What did your parents do? 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.359 My dad worked with the Census Bureau. He was a 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:36.159 statistician for years, and mom was a mom, raised us 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.600 and then was a part time teacher, music teacher. Yeah, 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:40.920 so that was my That was my parents there. 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.200 But your mom was a music teacher. 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.320 She was that explained teacher. She was a taught piano 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:47.800 so to me. 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.040 But did you ever want to learn? 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.000 Or did? But I had never had the patience for it. 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.200 That was the problem, and it's I have very few 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.639 regrets in my entire life. That's the biggest regret we 0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:01.520 didn't stay with the piano that I didn't stay with 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.480 the drums. I tried, but I just didn't have the 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.680 patience at eleven and twelve years old to stick with it. 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.520 It's the biggest regret. But I learned how to play 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.520 some things about my own, right, So I can play 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.439 first part of Purple Rain on a piano. I can 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.000 play MacArthur Park. Oh oh wait a minute, really I 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.879 can play I can play the first part of MacArthur 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:22.680 Park on a piano. And I used to be able 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.000 to play father song. Really, I used to be able 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:25.800 to play father song. 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.840 Well. But the first part of MacArthur's part, that's hilarious 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.080 record shopping Steve and I discovered on the forty five 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.159 we had a radio promo of MacArthur's part. What you 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.960 have to know about MacArthur's Park is that by Donna 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.600 Summit or no no, no, no, no, Richard Arthur. Oh 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.960 there is Richard Harris. Richard Harris, right, yeah, So MacArthur's 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:46.840 Part is sort of like a hell Mary throw into 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.520 the world of radio, which each song should be about 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:54.879 three minutes and thirty seconds, and the idea of telling 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.560 radio programmers to let this seven minute. 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:03.200 It's about seven it's seven seven seven seven, yeah, like seven. 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.040 Oh two or something like that. So it's very unusual 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.240 one for a forty five to have a seven minute song. 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:15.000 But the actual artwork of the forty five of MacArthur's Park, 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.480 it's more about the record label telling you the listener 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.760 that you know, sometimes you have to let songs breathe 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.240 and get to you. And you know, what's a seven 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:29.480 minute song? Sit down and absorb this music like I've 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.400 never seen a selling point of such an epic song. 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:37.639 And and and of course you know what is MacArthur's 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.920 part really about? I mean, just the idea of wasting 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:46.280 cake in the ring. You've heard MacArthur's part, like you. 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.120 Know, I haven't. You know you hear me being quiet 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:49.719 over here. I was just gonna act like I did. 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:51.080 Well, you've heard the. 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:53.000 Melting and the Dog. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:54.760 It's the same as the summer version. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.320 I got it because I was sweating over year. 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.080 Written by Jimmy Jimmy Webb. 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:04.760 Okay, if not, I'm going to google it now. 0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.320 My dad used to do that song in the show. 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.960 And yeah, I just wondered about leaving cake out and 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.920 the raine. And so it's funny think. 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.720 About that every time because it was my mother's favorite 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:17.840 song for a very long time. Something about that song 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.840 really talk to her and I try to figure out 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:21.080 what it was. I couldn't figure with it, but I 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.720 always had the idea of a cake out in the 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:26.160 rain and I could see it vividly that there's lime green. 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.840 It's lime green with some kind of strawberry and was 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.640 just melting down. It's such a visual to me. 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:40.080 But that's the song though, I mean, Jimmy Webb, I think, 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:41.479 if I'm not mistaking, I think he's just saying got 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:42.480 a wrote Witchity Lineman. 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.320 Yes, I think that's like one of my favorite songs. 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:46.360 He's a great songwriter. 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:48.600 I don't think did Richard Harris ever sing any song 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.600 beside that, like Richard Harris the actor. By the way, 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:55.160 Richard Harris the actor sang MacArthur parkon problem was that 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:56.880 was on a forty five and trying to get seven 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.720 minutes worth a sound of the forty five if you 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:04.760 wrong all of a sudden, Yeah, I remember my mom 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:06.760 had a Dell Stany in my corner and that was 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:07.800 like six sixty. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:08.240 Boy. 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.760 Yeah, I was like, how they get on? So it's 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:16.880 here for long forty five? Good mastering? All right? So Steve, 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:22.120 where do you at least get the curiosity on how 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.600 to enter radio? Like was this dreams you had as 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.680 a kid or just this come to you as a 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.800 teenager or an adult or mostly as. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.240 A teenage but really, I mean it really it turned 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.360 around in my first year in college. My first year 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.520 I went to Brown and oh, because it's so tied back. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.040 So Brown University had a radio station, has a radio station, 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.480 sorry WBRU, but it is ninety five point five. So 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.200 even though it is a college radio station, it is 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.560 in the it is in the you got to make 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.080 that money sector of the spectrum, right, It is not 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.960 a college below ninety two point three. So it was 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.960 a commercial radio station and it was rock, alternative, rock, away, 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.520 whatever you call it back in eighty four. But on 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:05.640 Sunday it was a three hundred and sixty degree black 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.080 experience in sound. If you hashtag that you've used up 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.400 all one, it's done. 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.240 I gotta tell you a story about BRU. It's a 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.920 little dishonest, but I'll say that after a few a 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.680 lot of root shows at Brown University, because we would 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:27.240 frequent a lot of the upper echelone colleges and get 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:32.960 that money. Sometimes at these radio interviews, the DJs would 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.880 sort of just let me rummage through. 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.200 No, I know where this is going, by the way, 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.440 because it's still on, it's still in the I know 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:42.200 where this is going. 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.360 I know where it's going. Okay, I'll say that I 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:51.800 have a lot of wbr U records in my possession. 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.600 So if there if they are BRU records in the 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.440 upper left corner, it says R and B you wrote 0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.240 it has a date on them. If you turn them around, 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.200 you'll see the writing on the back and they'll say, 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.480 we used to call it marketing records. And so we 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.959 just go through like one, you know, the side one 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.280 side too, and so you probably have some of the 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:16.280 market records, like what the good joints were, like Mark, 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:18.280 and we always try to figure out like, okay, that's 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:19.560 a single, so we're gonna mess with what that happened, 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.560 but here's what should be the next single. And so 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:22.800 we would go through every like. 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.840 All the like. Imagine that because that doesn't happen today 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.520 in the cutting piece. So all right, what is the 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.480 process of Because I know how important college radio was 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:39.560 to the development of a new artist, especially in the 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.520 eighties and in the nineties, so you know, they would 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.840 try to woo you just as important or as much 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.560 as a top five station or you know, like the 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:53.440 local conglomerates. So give us an example of an unheard 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:58.920 of talent coming to you first at at Brown You okay. 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:05.480 All right, A rather a rather greasy haired gentleman came down. 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.360 I can see, I can see it. It came down. 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:08.720 I don't know. I still to this day don't know 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.880 how he got into the studio. But he's like, hey, 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.960 I got this group. I got this group, right, And 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.560 he like, I got this group and this record, and 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.400 you know, the Jackson five was Thursday fart. But they're 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.560 just like the Jackson five. They're just like the Jackson five. 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.560 I think the blow up good for you. You know 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:29.880 exactly where it's going. And I swear to god he 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:31.520 came in on a Sunday because it was that was 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.840 that was three hundred sixty degree black experience of sound. 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.320 And I'm like, okay, we'll give it a shot. We'll 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:37.640 give it a shot, because you know people would do 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:38.880 that if you if you can get through and you 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.360 you're not gonna kill us, we'll play the record. We're good, 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:43.120 and we put and it was a it was a 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:43.920 new edition candigir. 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:49.920 It was it was I'm thinking Michael Johnson Maurice. 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.680 Yeah, well what I can't think it was a real name. 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.440 That was No, Johnson's the last name because. 0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.280 I'm thinking of Michael Johnson John Johnson Crew. That was 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.560 his partner, was it not? Okay? 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:01.240 Brother? 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:05.520 In this day and age, a lot of people approached 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:09.840 me about you know, check this out this this gentleman included, 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:15.440 you know, and maybe my record is probably zero and 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:19.839 nine million for at least the patients to actually take 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.600 said product and press play and listen to it and 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.719 absorb it. Like but in radio, I mean, how do 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:31.800 you know who's worth listening to? Or I mean do 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.839 you have to accept everyone's Like if a person comes 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:37.759 to you and they seem rather shady or whatnot, do 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.200 you still give that product a chance? 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.200 And so I try to. Again, I'm big on that 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.040 not getting killed things right, because it's happened when people 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.960 walk in like yo, man, you won't listen to what. 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.080 Yeah, I was about to say, Like what if you 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:51.880 don't like a product. 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:54.880 I'm sorry you try to never listen to it in 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.520 front of them. You always try to get it like, hey, 0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.200 can't listen to it now, I'll listen to it later. 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.680 You avoid that danger, right then, it's seriously, you try to. 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.640 You try to unless you know the person. If you 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.520 know somebody and you can give honest feedback. You want 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.359 to be able to absorb it, because we've all heard 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.759 things where the first time we hear it is like, eh, 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.000 that's not working. But by the third time you understand 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:15.800 or you feel, you feel a different way about it. 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:17.839 And if you really respect them, music gonna get You're 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.120 gonna give it that two or three times before you 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.279 before you come to that judgment, before you're ready to 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.040 share that judgment. That's probably the best way to put it. 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.600 And so even in college, we'd sit around, well, it 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.080 was more like there are more people. There'd be a 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.360 music meeting. We take all the albums and everybody was 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:31.840 a sign, like two or three albums and they come 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:33.440 back and say, okay, here the here's the custs we 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.080 should play on three hundred and sixty Black experienced that sound. Okay, 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.560 we did call it three sixty. Just sometimes it's funny. 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.080 Just keep running it all the way down. 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:44.560 Who's who did? 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:49.359 Don't go dun dunk no, no, no, no no. They 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.480 tried to be like the time right after Time came out. 0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:56.640 Oh o zone no no no dum dream boy dream boy, yeah, 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.080 dream boy, dream boy. 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.520 So I'm you can hear the activator dripping on the floor. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.560 Yes, yes, there were a couple of groups that came out, 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.480 like the Time That Struck My Head because that's one 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.080 of those songs I remember that. That was that that 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.680 we played on like WBR. You was one of the 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:13.200 first people to play that song and it. 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.680 Was you gave them a chance. It was huge, It 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:25.000 was huge. We're here with our guest president of Programming 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:29.360 Beach Heat Networks, Stephen Hill. We're talking about as humble 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.960 beginnings going to college radio back in the eighties. 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.080 Did y'all have like any bear like no hose barges whatever, 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.840 black soul or what was okay so whatever? 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.560 Yes, which was yeah, we go. Yeah, it's college radio, 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.480 but it was real radio. But it was college radio. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:44.920 But we can play whatever we wanted to as long 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:45.840 as getting curse obviously. 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:47.760 So did it hurt when you had to leave that situation. 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.319 I guess it didn't hurt because you you know, more 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:53.160 money and commercial radio, but uh, that life is different 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:54.000 college radio. 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.400 Yeah, you only get three to four years to run it, right, 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:57.840 you do. 0:36:58.480 --> 0:36:59.759 Yeah, I was there for I did it all for 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.480 you because it was one of the things you go 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:03.480 on campus. You go on campus like in the back 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.440 then they had all the come join the press club 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.239 right for the paper, come join the you know, the 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:10.919 poker club. 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:11.640 And what year? 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.360 What period was this between what Brown was eighty to 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:18.000 eighty four? From me, Wow, okay at eighty four, so 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.960 I remember where so the cool thing is like I remember, like, 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:22.960 I remember where I was when nineteen ninety nine came 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.800 out the day that, the day that, the day that 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:26.680 Thriller came out. 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:30.120 Oh man, November thirtieth, nineteen absolutely two. 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.160 I went straight from there to Music one forty two 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.439 with Professor Kleman was her name. I remember just having 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.520 to the album just like this. I'm like, I'm gonna 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.399 try to pay attention to this class. I'm gonna try. 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:40.719 I'm gonna try. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.120 But yeah, so you were one of those people that 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.959 were like cut school for a record or loose sleep 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:48.120 the night before for a record. 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:52.400 Oh yeah, yeah. I remember being mad because because do 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.279 you know the date? What day did Triumph come out? 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.759 Became a fall of eighty. I don't know the dated. 0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.720 It was September because I remember being in in fifth grade. 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.560 It was definitely September of. 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:06.560 Right, so I had just gotten to Brown. I remember 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.200 going to like my first or second dance and Shannon Harris. 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:15.480 I remember how fun find Shannon Harris. She had I 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.640 saw an album. I say, wait, is that Mike hold On? 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:22.200 She had the Triumph album. I left the party. Really, 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.360 I left the party to try to go to the 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.360 record store before because it was it was early. I 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.399 left to try to get to the record store before closed, 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.120 like one o'clock in the morning, two I could get trump. 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.040 I was mad that somebody had a Jackson all before 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:32.319 I did. 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.399 When someone had a record before you did. Oh oh man, 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.040 you just took me back with you. You described my 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.600 wife right there. I used to cry. My aunt had 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:51.000 asked Rufus by Rufus and for some reason, even there's 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.440 like an asterisk mark when I think of the Rufous discography. 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:58.279 Even though I was six, I was still musically an 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.840 adult in that household. So she flawing it like like 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.359 what twenty three year old person, It's like a mere 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.320 luke what I got. And she put on that midnight, 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.000 and I was like mad. I was angry see them 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.840 with anger like she would flaunt when she got records 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.160 before I did. I hate it. Yeah, when some one 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:14.960 got family. 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.640 Is worse the worst trick I ever played with my 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.640 brother because I loved my brother more than cook food. Right, 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.560 my brother is my guy. But when I was nine 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.279 and he was six, So we got the first two 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.359 Jackson five records on the same day, right, Dania Ross 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.680 presents an ABC and I because I wanted the newer one, 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:36.520 wanted ABC. I wanted ABC. I wanted so, so we 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:38.080 go into the record store. I can remember this, I said, 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:39.680 what I god nor exactly what was? It was panmar 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:43.680 in Southeast DC, on on Pennsylvania Avenue up near the 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.960 near the Maryland line. We go in there and my 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.000 little nine yeld self goes, hey, okay, let's go try 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:51.479 to find them. And we were both trying to find ABC. 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.480 I said, hey, maybe if yould go look under it's 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:58.000 fouled under the under ABC. We're the artists, we're the artists, 0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.040 are looking at ABC. 0:39:58.800 --> 0:39:59.480 And I feel daughter. 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:00.839 I said, you go look over there. 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.200 That's bad, that's bad. That was wrong. But you misled 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:05.560 your brother. 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:06.399 I did, I did. 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.040 I did, just so he had his own collection, you 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:10.440 had your own. 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.279 Now he stopped after that one. He stopped like like 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:16.640 that was just like I don't know's brother competitive? But 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.840 he wasn't me. He's the sports guy. He loves sports. 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.080 Okay, uh, you know he's just. 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:24.160 Now like he's the guy. I uses the test to 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.279 find out what songs are really good and really gonna 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.400 hit because the idiot factor all completely and I. 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:32.080 Don't know, you never tell the idiot factor the idio factor. 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:34.400 And I keep him away like he you know, he 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:35.880 wants to take us shows and stuff. I can get that, 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.680 but but I don't want him to get anywhere close 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:39.560 because I used him as the is the test? Like 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.040 is this you know, he's the guy who's sitting in 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:43.800 the back of the car with the kids singing happy 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.920 like he's he's the guy. He's he's that guy. I 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:48.960 know if it you know, always be my baby is 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.560 his favorite Mariah Carey song, Like that's the that's the 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:56.600 that's the he's the he's the pop guy, your litmus test. 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.600 Like what do you think about this? Listen? Yeah, so 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.000 I'm starting to use his kids now, No kids are 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:06.560 your an rs? That's like that's the kids are yes? 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.480 No, Well, I want when I say an RS, it 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.839 just means if your kids can sing it, that's when 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.840 you know, it doesn't mean if they don't like it 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.640 that it's not good or it still won't jam. 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.920 But if your kids are singing it, yeah, that's the way. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:20.279 I won't to go back to. Which So, do you 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:21.960 remember any of the any of the albums you took 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.400 from you took from I'm sorry you borrowed from Brown University? 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:27.920 No no, no, no no no, no. 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:33.000 Curious you know what. Because I was heavily looking into 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:39.879 samples and things, I believe that I was more given 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:44.160 access to the jazz. Oh yeah, sort of the seventies 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.600 jazz stuff. So I know, like there's I think maybe 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:53.080 the Virgo Red album from roy Aers, you know what, 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.279 Tony Williams Ego, those two records. Like I took a 0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:01.520 lot of the seventies jazz jazz stuff like that's in 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:02.080 my collection. 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.640 And then and there's still The cool thing is I 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:06.239 go back and visit every once in a while, just 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:08.560 and sometimes it let me go on the air for 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.080 a minute, which is just I have such a rush 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:12.719 after that. But the album is still on the wall, 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:14.520 the albums are they still have the album on the wall, 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.719 haven't been used for years, they still keep up there. 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:17.040 I love that. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:24.160 Really. Wow, I gotta make a return, find a new 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:24.680 home for it. 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:26.960 So how do you go from how do you use 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.840 a person like that loves music, you know, wanting to 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:30.479 be on radio? 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.560 How do you get from radio to TV? 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:33.279 Like? How did you? 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.200 Oh yeah, how do you go there? 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:36.120 Major? 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:37.319 I assume that was your major. 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:46.040 My major was applied math in economics. Applied math and economics, brilliant. 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.440 I spent more time at the radio station. Love you mom, 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.239 love you Dad. But yeah, I got out, but I 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.040 did graduate. I good, I could graduate. Go ahead, ask it. 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.919 No. I was just gonna say, don't you find because 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.520 people are always I was a communications major, So it's 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.400 not like you really wanted to switch play with me 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.640 because I always tell people young people, you know what, 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.320 take be a business major economics and then just have 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.840 an internship learn radio that way because you're really not 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.640 going to learn a lot of it in the classroom. 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:10.840 So you perfect right. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.880 Yeah, I was communications major too. I was communications major too. 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:14.600 I'd say the same thing. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.120 Yeah, yeah, internships is where you learn everything. 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.920 Because but isn't that FV like fall back on this? 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:21.880 Just in cases? 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:22.880 Doesn't no? 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.600 Which one for communications majors? Really? 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.080 I mean you do a lot of stuff in class. 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:29.719 But really the only way to learn how to do 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:31.680 to do it, you have to actually do it and 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.960 be around people who would right right. So like I 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.239 was a communications major, Yeah, I do the thing of it, 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:37.880 so was to Yeah. I did three and a half 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:39.640 years at the college radio station. You know, I worked 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.640 on television shows at the campus TV station, And that 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:43.840 was the only way we could learn how to do 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.279 stuff because it was to actually do it. 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:46.560 So what was your major? 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:51.640 Steve Journalism actually interned at DC one on one I 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:52.520 went to Maryland. 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.640 So I was interned, Well, you got DC route was 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.400 how it was starting there when you were there? No, No, 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:01.600 I was with the grease Man. Okay a long time. 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:02.440 Who's the grease man? 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.520 He knows the Howards turned down in d C. Basically 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:05.799 in the. 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:07.520 Lady Wild Morning Guy. 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.920 Well it wasn't the morning show, but he was just 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:14.279 like he was just that, you know, crazy Greaeman, at 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.240 least in some circles, is best known for the horrible, 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.520 horrible joke that I will tell if you want me to, 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.200 but it's really it's a horrible originally offensive. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.800 Please please offensive. 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.200 It was around the time that they were talking about 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.880 m l K getting a holiday. I remember, Okay, remember that? 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.440 Do you remember? So it was like, uh so let 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:34.880 me get the straight m Ok is going to get 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.239 all we get a holiday for m Ok. If I'd 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.120 known that, I'd have shot four more and gotten a 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:46.560 whole week off. That was the grease Man. 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.080 That must have been. That must have been a day 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.359 Donnie Simpson got his fifty million dollar contract. 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.920 D Radio DC Radio has it was was it was was. 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:00.719 There was the variety. 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:01.960 Howardzs. 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:04.040 Thurne was on DC one on one before he went national, 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.080 before he came to New York, like he cut his 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.719 teeth there. Greaseman was kind of like Howard's thurnish as 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:09.759 you can probably tell them by that. 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.800 And by the time I got there, I don't know 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:14.000 eighty nine or something like that, and it was all 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:18.920 computer generated playlists and you know nothing. I was like, well, 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:20.600 I'm too late to this game. 0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.000 It was past my romanticized version of radio. 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.000 Yeah, so what was your first radio station outside. 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:32.520 Of wild Boston? It was an AM daytimer station. What 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.480 an AM daytimer station is? We just call it solar powered. 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:40.759 There's this crazy there's this crazy rule. The SCC had 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.879 that certain because they were trying to make when radio 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:46.279 they were trying to make radio grow. People were allowed 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.719 to have local stations, but there were these superstations that 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.840 went everywhere at night, like WOWO out of Fort Wayne, Indiana. 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.840 I don't know how I remember that WBAL out of Baltimore. 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.080 There were these superstations that jacked their power up at 0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:00.440 night so they could be heard nationwide. Because radio, you know, 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.880 when they were trying to build the radio business, and 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.760 so every other every other if you were on that frequency, 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:07.880 you had to get off that frequency at night. So 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.280 WBAL had the frequency ten nine to zero out of Baltimore, 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.759 and so at night we were wild. We had to 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.759 get off. So we were only allowed to be up 0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:19.719 from sunrise to sunset. Oh wow, Right, So that was 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.920 my first radio station, and the short version of how 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.279 I got there. I got out of Brown University. I 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.360 tried to get a job in radio. I couldn't do it. 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.520 I failed miserably. A year and a half later, a 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.239 guy named Robert Hartley was sick. He was during cristmification 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:36.839 at WBRU. They called me said, can you come fill 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:38.319 in for four hours? I said sure. I have been 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:39.480 on the radio on a year and a half I'll 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:41.279 come down. But as I did always, I prepared and 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:43.040 made sure I knew what was going on. When did 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:44.799 a four hour show, thought nothing of it, went back 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.040 to my job where I was teaching at Groton School. 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:48.840 Two months later, I get a call saying, is this 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:52.400 Stephen Hill. Yes. I happened to be driving through Providence, 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.880 Rhode Island a couple of months ago, heard you on 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.279 the radio and wanted to know if you want to 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:00.920 come in. And I got a part time gig at 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.120 w I l D. El Roy Smith, who was is 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:06.200 a wonderful program director, wonderful program former boss. 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.400 He was your he was my boss when he left Chicago, 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.680 he came to Field, I was morning show. 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:16.360 El Roy Smith was the program director. Yeah, Elroy Smith 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:17.640 was after Kobe. 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:18.040 Yeah. 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.520 Yeah, at w I L D. And so I always 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.479 I tell people like my career, like if if Robert 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.359 Hartley doesn't get sick, if I'm not home to answer 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.680 the phone because there were no cell phones at the time, right, 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.359 if I if I don't you know, if I can't 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.279 go down there and do those four hours, we're not 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.960 sitting here. Because I found out el Roy only did 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:38.760 that drive twice in five years. Man, and it just happened, 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:40.000 and it happened to me. I hadn't been on the 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:41.640 radio for a year and a half. I was on 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.960 there those four hours. He happened to be driving through 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.680 track me down and other hips. Is not for that. 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.160 I'm somewhere either teaching or applying math and and economica. 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.400 Now, as as a DJ, did you have total control of. 0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:56.160 What? 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:57.160 No? 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.600 No, this college is over? 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:00.279 Is this? 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:00.920 What? 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:02.360 What year is this? What year is this? 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.440 Is a This is a spring of eighty six? 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.880 Okay, spring of eighty six? At this point, the WYLD this. 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.120 Is like wild is it now? Even though it's a 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:14.000 daytime station, it's a real money, real money commercial radio. 0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:15.839 Stak got back up a little bit because you said 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:19.399 your previous experience was a fail? How was that a fail? 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:20.640 Which one you said? 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.440 When you? Oh, what I tried to get? I tried 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:23.799 to get a job in a radio when I left 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:25.920 Brown in eighty four. But I couldn't. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:30.680 I could You couldn't Like it was just a bad experience, DJ. 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.040 I couldn't get a job I was. I couldn't get 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:36.680 a job in radio radio or or record labels or anyplace. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:42.680 Man. Back then, what were the requirements to to woo 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:46.360 over a radio programmer that would bring you aboard, Like 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:47.840 what was required? 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:53.240 I don't know, because I didn't get a job. Seriously, 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.520 I don't know. I thought, you know, I don't know. 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:59.040 I think it was just talking on the air naturally 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:01.400 that appealed to l Roy. Like I knew the music 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:03.920 back then, it was good to have some kind of 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.880 radio voice, and thanks to my mother, who has the 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.440 deeper voice of my parents, I happened to get it. 0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:12.560 So I think it's just that and being able to 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.040 relate and being able to and he didn't know that 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.600 that I knew or was obsessed with music, but I 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.799 think that helped in the interview, and as I got 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:21.120 to grow at WLD. 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.480 I mean I would think, at least in my head 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:28.640 or you know, this is a very naive you know, 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:32.560 thought like I would figure that, okay, well, I would 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.759 want people to be knowledgeable about music and all that stuff, 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.600 because I don't even know what the criteria for today is. 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.880 But I would think like there were least some standards 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:45.640 thirty years ago, whereas like you know, you know, it's funny, 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:50.960 I think went to that era and where the radio 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:55.520 DJ was, well, what you're. 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.840 Saying when an end. I think the real challenge was 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.800 when they changed the ownership rules of radios, right, it 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:06.520 was ninety six. They changed it two FM's two ams. 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:07.960 That's all you can own. That's all you can own, 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.160 even in the market, right, And so now people were 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.359 buying radio stations. They had to service all this debt. 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:15.040 And so the service that debt, you got. 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.200 To play commercials, and to play more commercials you have 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.680 to have less talk. And so the less talk you have, 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:22.120 the more commercials you can play. And so you play 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:23.719 a music and you play just a little bit. Hey, 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:25.799 that was the That was the jacks was chaking about 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.000 it down the ground right back after this, you get 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:30.160 in and out, so you play more music, like it 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.200 was just servicing debt. It feels like the way record 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.080 companies with like Warner Brothers was it seemed to be 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.600 about like an artist development and movement, and then all 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:38.520 of a sudden, you know, you got to service your debt. 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:40.120 So you got to sell more records. And sometimes you 0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:42.239 don't get two or three shots at it make it, 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:42.920 making it big. 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.120 So quest Love Supreme would be their worst nightmare because 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.640 we're more talk less music now. 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:52.400 So so when you know, when I listened to this, 0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.120 I'm going to laugh because my speech pattern, even in 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.359 this broadcast has slowed down once I realized your pace, 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.560 which is a good thing because my radio kicks back 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:03.040 in and like you're supposed to get in, get out 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.080 to go and so so in. So even in these 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.800 this time we've been on, I've slowed it down and 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.279 I can go with the conversation and the speed, y'all go. 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.120 I want to go to a song and have Steven 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:17.320 introduce it. Okay, radio style, radio style, all right, I 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:20.520 want you to introduce the Jackson shake your body down 0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:22.879 to the ground now. Just no, there's a rule where 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.120 you have to do it before like the lyrics starting 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:25.320 on it. 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.080 It's called hitting the post. It's called hitting the posts. 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:32.000 The best song ever Hit the Post two Anita Baker 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:39.359 sweet Love. Yeah, and you talk about your radio station, 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.520 you talk about what the sunshine is outside and having 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:44.120 to make it We love. 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:50.839 On w I L dude, we're going to have your 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:54.960 intro that one. So wait, what is what is? What 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.839 is a nightmare song? Then? Like a song that would 0:51:58.800 --> 0:51:59.480 let us short intro? 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.560 Yes, either got no intro. I'm trying to think that 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.759 there was this song that that just would come in 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.080 with the vocals and they edited and. 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.000 Get down on it. Is an example of a song 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:13.120 that crazy crazy by a crazy uh Barkley, I don't know. 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.840 Yeah boom boom, yeah boom. 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:18.520 You can't talk of that. 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:20.400 Yeah, it's just a three snare hit. 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.520 And then right and the rules of radio, you have 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:24.800 to pray that the song before had a long outro. 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:27.279 Yeah yeah right, oh yeah. 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.239 But at the radio station, you see like a reverse time. 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:32.600 You get to see the clock of No. 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.279 I would not that was my you look you. I 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:37.719 would research, I would time it myself. I would till 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.360 it myself, not much. And then certain songs us new 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:40.880 the feeld like. 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.960 For me you got to feel I mean, oh yeah 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.080 back to day, like well back in the day, like 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.479 on the promo forty five. On the timing you would 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:50.399 have the intro seven second intro. 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.080 You know, it would tell you, yeah, you would. 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:55.960 Still have your body. He's a rhythm. You would just 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.520 know the records and it feels better when you know 0:52:58.600 --> 0:52:59.279 the rhythm. 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:03.799 Which when we're doing five Sweet Love four three two man, 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:05.640 I am so happy to be here on quest Love 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:09.879 Supream this man Stephen Hill. This is my girl, Anita Baker. 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.360 I hope everything's going well in your world today and 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:15.800 that you have exactly what she's talking about. In this 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:20.000 song from the Fantastic nineteen eighty six c D Rapture, 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.680 This is a Needy Baker with sweet love. 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.040 Yo Yo. 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:37.880 That is the best of all the songs I've ever 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.440 heard in my entire life. It's absolutely my favorite song. 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:44.480 Why do you think have doom rhymes over that? Man? Wow? 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.800 So man, I was really. 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:51.799 American shock because he doesn't know that there's a method 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:52.800 to radio madness. 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:59.799 I respect that. I respect that. This is what I've 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:01.960 been trying to impart upon him for the last several 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:05.400 months in our fiftieth episode. 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:07.760 But it's different. Now you don't have to do that anymore, 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:11.080 inspite me thirteen nah, but but I think it's different. 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.200 People want the information. Like when we when we talked 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:15.600 through don't go. Then my first visual reaction like, oh, 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:17.400 you can't do that, well, you can't do that. But 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.680 then when you know we're in a culture where you 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:21.920 want to hear the information, and there you know, you know, 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.239 kind of pop up video started started that where you 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:26.919 want the information during the middle of the song because 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:29.440 you've heard the song, you know, countless times before. So 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:31.440 if you can get something new while you're listening to it, 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.880 that's that's great. But viscerally when you when you what 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:35.520 are you doing. 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:39.360 Talking over the song? I'm sure there's times where you 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:43.040 made a mistake and maybe played a radio editing Oh yeah, well, 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.480 like if the vocals coming, do you still continue or 0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:48.799 is it like, uh, let me cut off? 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:50.640 You go straight to the call letters? 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:53.520 What cabout cool? 0:54:54.600 --> 0:55:02.120 Study outside of WB are you once you hear a voice? 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:02.600 It's just like. 0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:06.880 And was your boss always on you about back selling 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:07.800 and front selling? 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:11.320 And ye, no, look absolutely yeah it was part of 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.879 the format you either. I always thought it was cool 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:16.799 to backsell a song because when I listened to a song, 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:19.600 when you listen to a song and you like it, 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.440 you you listen to the end and you'll pay attention 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:25.439 because you're looking to find out what that is. I'll 0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:27.920 never forget the first time I heard another one bites 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.040 the Dust by Queen Right. It was on w k 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.960 Y S and Washington d C. It was on w 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.120 k Y. Yes, I'm like, oh this sound is this 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:37.960 song is fantastic? Sounds a little bit like she but 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:41.040 I'm good And I waited for them to back sell 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.279 and they didn't. I called the radio station. I called 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:48.759 the radio station. What's that song? It's I know there 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.919 has the lyrics? Another one bites the dust? Who's that buye? 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:51.759 Like? 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:53.960 And somehow I don't know how I got through the studio. 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:54.759 I remember. 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:57.560 Song, there's another one? 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:02.359 What do you call another one? Yeah? It's my queen. Yeah, 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.360 but there was a there was an excitement about like 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.520 first of all hearing the song, but then getting through 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:10.160 it like yeah, but like like I knew it before 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.239 the DJ did, because the DJ whoever's coming on next 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:12.680 didn't know it. 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:16.480 Yeah, I'm learning now that about back selling and front 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.959 selling words. I never heard of my life yet until 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:22.320 this radio show started, and I didn't know the importance 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:26.520 of doing that. You know, so to you, that's not 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:28.400 a nightmare. 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:32.840 Or enjoy it because look, the reason I loved radio 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.120 was a lot of it was because you play music 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:38.160 and you hope they're really attracted to it, so you 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.520 want them to go out. And then it was that 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:41.680 you want to go out and buy it, but not 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:44.160 because I didn't profit from it. I just like I 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:47.359 liked being responsible for you discovering something you dug right, 0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:53.080 and so w ild is urban or as black but 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:56.560 straight up kind of R and B not go outside 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.920 the lines. It could be before I got there, and 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:01.520 then you know, Seal had the nerve to put out 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:03.359 a record when I was there, So the Living color 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:07.680 Head Head and Tracy chap Tracy Chapman came up with 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:10.920 the original personal baby, Can I Hold You Right? And 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:13.400 I remember I would play these songs and the record, 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:15.920 the labels themselves would be like, that's not the single. 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:18.440 Why are you playing this? Or you're not playing our 0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:21.520 song by the other rack, but you're playing this. I'm like, oh, 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.280 that's the that's the They wouldn't want you to play no, no, 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:27.600 it was like, that's not the single we're working. Oh 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:30.880 oh please, oh please, that's not that's not. 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.000 The single working. But the reason why you playing the 0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:34.840 second cut. But the reason why I used to listen 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:36.600 to radio was to hear all the stuff, you know 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:37.840 that wasn't on everything. 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:38.360 You know. 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:40.400 I loved when they would play all the album cuts, 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:41.720 so you know, I would love when they would dig 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.440 out the twelve inch versions of songs and let the 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:45.800 whole seven minute version of kids play on the radio. 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:48.200 So when Sign of the Times comes out, you're not 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:49.640 looking to play house Quake. 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:53.560 And we heard how the exact song you picked, the 0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:55.880 exact song that I once on a Saturday played and 0:57:55.960 --> 0:58:00.880 got a call on the hotline from El Royd. I 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:01.919 want to be clear. I do't want to be clear. 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.480 I followed the rules pretty well. This is I'm sorry 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.800 I forgot to say so Wildither was eighty six to 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:08.600 eighty eight when I was a weekend DJ and I 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:10.320 filled in in the mornings and stuff, and then in 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:12.160 eighty eight to ninety three I was the program director, 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:13.959 so I was the boss then, but in eighty seven 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:15.800 when the Times came out, I was not the boss. 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:17.960 I was the weekend guy. But I still followed the 0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:19.959 rules have decently, so much so that when I played 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:21.600 house Quake and I got a call on the hotline, 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:24.880 which doesn't ring you're in the radio studio, so just 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:28.720 the big bright red light goes and there's like two 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:32.000 people who have that phone number too, here's the program 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:35.480 director and the owner. And when that goes off when 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.600 you're playing, there's no good news coming. There's just no 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:40.440 and you know you did something wrong. 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:41.360 So you just know it. 0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:46.000 So I was hoping he wasn't home or listen, he 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:47.000 wasn't in the car yet. 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.400 But Housequake was the exact song that I played in 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.760 eighty seven. How old is Erroy at this point? 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:52.880 Oh, that's a good question. 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.720 Oh it's got a big difference between the two. 0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.400 Oh no, No, I was twenty seven, so he was 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:00.880 maybe thirty two, maybe thirty two, and. 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:01.760 He didn't get it. 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:05.960 No, no, no, no, Elroy's that he's the format guy. 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:08.360 He's he's he's got success because of this. 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:09.560 So what's his mind? 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:09.960 Uh? 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.560 Process of Okay, he hears house Quake and. 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:15.240 It was just not on his list. He knows, he 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:18.200 knows that that is not in the cards, but he 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:18.920 doesn't know that. 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:21.640 Some fifteen year old at the laundry Matt is hearing 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:22.920 this for the first sign and going out of his 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:24.720 mind and no, I gotta buy that record. No, he 0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:25.160 don't care. 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:26.560 No, it's not the format. 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.000 So what does he want? What is he in? What 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.680 is his what is his idea of success in nineteen 0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:32.200 eighty seven? 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.280 No, I want to say got it because Elroy was 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:36.280 really good at playing album cuse that he thought were good. 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:38.840 That just wasn't one of the ones that he picked out. Really, 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.280 that was right. That just wasn't he That wasn't when 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:42.400 he that wasn't that wasn't. 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:44.960 So he questioned some Prince's artistic integrity. 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:46.480 No no, no, no no no no no no no. 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:47.640 Yeah. 0:59:47.960 --> 0:59:49.680 Part of it was playing the singles game that every 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.120 radio station was playing then. But for example, he was 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:57.200 into let's chill and I like, while the record company 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:57.640 was still. 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.280 Doing groove me forgot forgot right. 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:01.480 He had no problem digging into some stuff, just not 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:03.840 everything and how And Prince wasn't his thing. Prince was 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.120 when it came to that station, I was. Prince was 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:06.920 completely my thing. 1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:09.040 And that was the art of the PD too, right, 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:10.640 don't you think like the RT, the PD was when 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.200 you went outside the box you usually there and you 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:15.520 picked something that popped, the record company would go, oh 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:18.920 well maybe Steve and you have something. Yes, And let 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:20.760 me remind you that el Roy Smith is the same 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:22.800 person that almost fired me for an interview on Rafael's 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:24.000 Deep Live. He didn't play that shit. 1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:27.000 Really, yeah, oh that's very fun. Well you didn't clear 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:28.320 it through him first? 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:30.760 Oh, I mean I cleared it. They just want the 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:33.360 true story. They wanted me to pre record it. We 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:36.000 Rafael agreed to do a music conference with us. This 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:38.360 is when his Stacks album came out, remember like that, 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.120 And they did the radio line to me. They were 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:44.120 like like, okay, so record the interview and we're gonna 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:47.120 play it. After we start playing the record, and my life, 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.360 your mine went, y'all ain't never playing this shit. This 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:52.520 is we are hot, hot one old you know whatever. 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:54.760 So when he walked in the door late, I was like, 1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:59.480 this is the god Rafael Sadik, let's go. And it 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:00.680 was a really great interview. 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:05.800 But it just gets the rules, that's it. And sometimes 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:09.600 in management you just gotta you just have to manage 1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:11.280 in the rules or else everybody will break the rules. 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:12.720 The reason I knew I could play House Quake is 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:15.120 because I managed myself within the rules for like a 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.720 full year and I was I was a good I 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:19.680 was a good employee because I didn't want to lose 1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:22.160 that gig. I loved that gig. 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:31.880 So wait, since we have two d C elites of radio. 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:35.080 I interned at DC one on one. 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.280 Three and a half, we got to cover up. 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.160 All I want to I want to go off script 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:48.920 for a second and do the radio introduction contest between 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.760 set this out? No, no, no, you are I was 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:55.680 not on the air, that was getting coffee. 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:57.560 I was in charge of the prize room. 1:01:57.600 --> 1:01:58.880 And what's the introduction contest? 1:01:58.920 --> 1:01:59.120 Was this? 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:04.360 I don't know? All right, we will start with Stephen Hill. 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:08.200 You're doing an introduction, Okay, okay, when we let people 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:10.960 know that I have no idea what song about this? Okay, 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.040 we should, we should set let's set the expectation. 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:13.520 Here we go. 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:18.440 Hi, my name is Stephen Hill. You are listening to 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.760 the best music in the world on Quest Love Supreme. 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:25.960 Yes you should have this song? Just no two ways 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:29.920 about that flashback? 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:42.480 Who's that? Oh yeah, oh all right, that was good. 1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:46.440 I knew that was coming too. I knew that was coming. Okay, 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:51.480 here we go. This is for you, like here we go? 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:56.880 Heyes, Love Supreme. I'm like EO on your Sunday afternoon 1:02:57.000 --> 1:02:59.680 And what better way to cruise through road with a 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:05.120 little marry on your mind? So no, oh ship, oh. 1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:11.440 Red light, red light red. 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:15.600 It's fake. It's fake. It's face in its say can 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:16.960 I go over? It's fain. 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:24.760 Avoid to avoid the rent. Stephen won even the engineers 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:27.880 even the studio life. 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:29.360 So does that mean we're even though since we both 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:29.760 sucked up? 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:30.760 That was the one? 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:32.520 Is that zero zero zero zero? 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:32.760 Right? 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:35.280 I want to crack it this. Give me say I 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.120 did college radio for three years, all right, so you 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:41.120 all right, if you were on a radio program, you'll 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.280 probably the Friday night rap gyms. Maybe wait, do the 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:48.120 same rules? The same rules apply for all fourmats, Like, 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.880 were you guys more lenient on? Absolutely the midnight wrap show? 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:56.280 So it wasn't midnight because remember we're a daytimer, so 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:58.960 our midtime is like six pm, so midnight is six pm. 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:02.360 No save Harbor hours. You Max Mix? 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:04.400 I had Max Mix doing the Thunderstorms. Well actually one 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.640 of the first first mix shows where I gave I 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:08.920 shaid like dude, just don't get us arrested. Right, It 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:10.640 was like an hour at the end of the day, 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:13.760 nineteen eighty six, eighty seven. That's pretty early for that's 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:16.200 pretty early for hip hop hip hop show. 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:17.360 All right? 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:19.400 So in Boston you ready, you're ready? 1:04:19.480 --> 1:04:26.440 Yea yea yeah, let's get it. You're ready? Here we go, yo, yeah, 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:26.920 y'oll what up? 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:29.880 This man fonte font ticle tickettle ticleo right here? On 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.640 Quest Love Supring, be gonna get into something real fun. 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:34.600 You know what I'm saying, some real fly, some real funking. 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:36.680 This is some randow music, you know what I'm saying. 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:38.160 And I'm gonna just play it. I'm gonna come back 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:39.360 and I'm a back seller because i just want to 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:41.720 get into this record. I've been playing this ship right 1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:43.120 here on Quest Springs. 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:43.960 Let's go. 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:49.280 The audience I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be like this, people'. 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:50.720 What a backsell? 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:51.840 What is a backseell? 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:53.520 I was like I was with I was like, what 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:55.760 the fuck is this? From the Bob Power episode? That's 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:56.160 a sentence? 1:04:57.600 --> 1:04:59.600 Did you not get the song right? No? 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:03.960 I didn't know, but I didn't get it wrong. I 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:05.400 sure was. I didn't get it wrong. 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:06.240 Something new. 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:10.280 You can back sell something, so try it's been a while, 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:11.880 all right, all right, I got one for you. 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:16.800 All sook and sooking. Now you're listening to Quest Love Supreme. 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:24.400 This is Boss Bill coming into you Live Ship red Light. 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:29.640 We're gonna get into some oj. 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:35.920 Were you trying to figure out what the artist was? No? 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:41.320 I just got lost in my words. Scott coming, Scott, 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:43.280 how you doing? You're there? Yes, I'm here. What's up 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:46.240 all right, ladies and gentlemen. This is Scott yayo or 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:50.920 our boss boss Bill's boss. Uh. And also deep in 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:51.400 the radio. 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:53.320 Uh do you do? You do? 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:54.680 You know what we're doing? I do? 1:05:56.760 --> 1:06:01.919 Yeah, better be alternative these early two thousands. Alternative would 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:03.720 be helpful, really well, put some. 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:06.120 Silver, put some cake on it. 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:09.760 I think, yeah, yeah, you're going disc Well no, because 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.960 that one starts straighten writing the lyric't but I'm. 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:16.080 Saying that I'm not object isn't stumping you with the song? 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:16.440 Yeah? 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:20.760 Object is seeing how quick you adjust to whatever. 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:23.120 To be clear, you if you were DJ, and you 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:25.040 wouldn't be a just you would know what it was. 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:27.240 I would listen to it beforehand. I would know my 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:27.760 run up. 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:30.720 Time well, to be fair. To be fair, I think 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:34.480 rock radio had a different rules as well, Like you 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:36.480 didn't want to step on the music as much as 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:38.360 you didn't want to talk over the music as much 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.080 as as much as you did in like an R 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:44.000 and B. No, the music a lot of us started cold, 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:45.120 at least in radio stations. 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:47.280 And by the way, if you if you were as 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.840 good as Steven was earlier when he hit that post. 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:55.520 We'd call him a postmaster general. Nice, okay, postmaster in general. 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:58.400 You're right, you do know you'll be doing this last right, boss? 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:03.000 I'm doing this too. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing this as well. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:04.680 Oh yeah, you thought you were going to get away, 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:06.320 get away? Yeah, I thought I was going to get 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:08.680 away with this? All right? You ready? Yeah? Here we go? 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:10.200 Red light, red light, red light? 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:14.360 What's going on? It's Scott Riggs. 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:14.880 How you doing? 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:17.240 It's crazy Wednesday morning. 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:17.760 Let me tell you. 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:19.680 The weather out there is nuts. But we've got some 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:22.360 good music for you. It's Quest Slap Supreme. Here is 1:07:22.440 --> 1:07:23.120 the Gorillas. 1:07:26.200 --> 1:07:32.720 Red light, red light that he's picking your songs? 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:35.520 All right, bottle? 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:37.720 Who's doing it right now? 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:41.240 Because I give him. 1:07:41.120 --> 1:07:41.840 Blur song too. 1:07:42.080 --> 1:07:43.040 Actually I'll say. 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:49.160 Give him Blur song too, or give him or give 1:07:49.200 --> 1:07:51.280 him Peter Murphy cuts you up, which is about a 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:52.880 three minute leading for him. 1:07:54.720 --> 1:07:57.760 No, that's hard. Like, if anything, I think the the 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:02.400 longer the show is you have to talk. 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:04.680 There's a perfect there's a there's like a ten to 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:08.320 twelve like a perfect there's a perfect amount of time. 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:11.880 Like it's too short, it's too bad, too long, it's ridiculous. 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:14.439 But do you have to talk until the vocals start. 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:17.080 You don't have to, but you want, you want to 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:19.960 be post master General. Yeah, post Master General comes with 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:20.320 a star. 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.839 So do you practice this at home? Do you practice 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.479 this at home? There who teaches you this? No? In 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:29.320 between songs when you're playing music. I'm really glad you 1:08:29.479 --> 1:08:33.040 did the show because I forgot you are post master General, Like, yeah, 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:35.960 you hit that post, your yoda of postmaster in general. 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:39.200 Well, and by the way, you also, it gets hard 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:41.320 to make it interesting every time, right, Like you can't 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:43.160 throw out the weather every time. You can't throw out 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:45.519 the time every time. Sometimes you're pulling facts about the band. 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:47.360 Sometimes you're saying what's going on in the city, But 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.160 you got to fill that with something interesting. 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:52.439 And also you got to know the music. But you know, 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:54.240 part of the reason I got hired when when word 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:56.360 was driving through is because i'd gone through the paper, 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:57.680 like I loved hitting the post. That was one of 1:08:57.720 --> 1:08:59.360 the things I love doing. And to your point, you've 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:01.040 got to think of different thing. So I had to 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:03.760 know what was going on, something about the music, and 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:05.559 so you kind of plan on what you're gonna say, 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:07.320 or that you don't you don't script it out. But 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:09.240 you know here the here a the beats I want 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:12.920 to hit in this intro, or before I start this intro, or. 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:14.439 You got a little note right there, a couple of 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:16.479 little things you want to say, or. 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:17.759 Giving away tickets to the circus. 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:20.800 It's really easy. This I got a liner. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:23.000 I gotta give away a liner. 1:09:23.400 --> 1:09:26.519 A liner is uh. Quest Love is being brought to 1:09:26.520 --> 1:09:27.360 you by Boost Mobile. 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:32.560 Oh where you is? 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:37.519 It's like it's like the station business is like, Uh, 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:40.599 don't forget. We got this festival coming up and we'll 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:41.920 be having tickets in the next hour. 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:45.240 Make sure we got free comedy tickets to the show 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:47.320 coming up this weekend. Come out to NAPA Auto Parts 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.280 on Saturday. Right, we'll give you some stickers. 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:57.400 All right, I'm ready, I got you ready. You let 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:08.240 me meditate, all right? Okay, bring on the panic. That's right, 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:11.160 ladies and gentlemen. This is Quest Love of Quest Love Supreme. 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:14.240 It is the midnight hour, and we are paying tribute 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:18.000 to the great road Temperton. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:20.479 free hot dogs to the ninth caller who can guess 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:23.040 some of the greatest music. This is love. Time's love 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:31.679 all right, that wass that was? That was c minus, 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:33.040 that was minus. 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:35.960 All of us who went to school. 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:40.599 Well, you know, radio is my school. I have a question. Yes, 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:42.200 that's sort of philosophical question. 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:46.600 Almost now, the intro to a song and theoretically the 1:10:46.640 --> 1:10:50.120 fade out are those specifically meant for radio, for a 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:52.679 DJ to be posting up or whatever it's called. 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:53.160 Do I think that? 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:55.360 Do I think that some creators went into the studio 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:57.439 to so that that could happen. 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:00.360 I'm saying, if you're making a song that you want 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:03.400 to be on the radio, do you create intros specifically 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:05.839 for so for what we're talking about. 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:07.160 Right now I'm going to talk about. I have no 1:11:07.479 --> 1:11:09.760 idea because I've never created a record, but I would 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:14.880 not be surprised if, like, maybe that's some people out, 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:16.519 if there were there were people I want to I 1:11:16.560 --> 1:11:18.080 almost want to think of the Motown area, right. I 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:20.280 almost think Barry Gordy sitting there with the with the 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:24.120 transistor speaker in his office, is thinking like that intro 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.040 is too long, like that were the interests too long? 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:28.240 Or the intro is just right? They'll they'll talk about 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.000 my record going right up to it. But by the way, 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:31.439 but then I thought I was stopping the name of love, 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:32.240 and I was like, probably not. 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:37.600 Well, posting is all about it's something like that was 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:40.080 invented by DJs, because your board as hell when you're 1:11:40.160 --> 1:11:42.120 in that studio for fourner. 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:46.240 Once it was invented, then we're people who are making. 1:11:46.240 --> 1:11:48.960 Songs, specifically, specifically. 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:50.120 Creating intros with that kind of time. 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:51.640 I wouldn't they probably could be. 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:54.240 I know that at least an alternative and rock they 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:56.880 started telling us to step out. They were like, don't 1:11:56.880 --> 1:11:58.720 even talk even if there is an intro, just let 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:00.960 it go, or we'll get edit and I'll chop that 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:02.719 off and it'll just start with the vocals. 1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:06.760 So yeah, was there because I grew up or at 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:10.240 least became of age where I started hearing, you know, 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:14.360 more music, let's talk. Or there was a I remember 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:17.320 an issue in Billboard magazine, like during the George Michael 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:20.600 Faith period, so like eighty eight eighty nine where it 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:23.840 was like the pay to play thing, or like pay 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:27.679 us to sell your song, or I remember this issue 1:12:27.720 --> 1:12:32.400 coming up like eighties, near early nineties, so dependent promoters, Well, 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:36.080 just the idea of like, you know, we're not going 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:39.320 to back sell or front sell the song anymore. Was 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:42.080 there a period in which you got a memo which 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:46.640 was like, Okay, you no longer have to sell the 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:47.200 song or. 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:51.120 No, no, I've but I you know, I was at 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:55.599 a kind of a black man owned station that daytime 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:57.760 in Boston. They would have said no to that any 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:00.360 other because there's no way they would have not try 1:13:00.400 --> 1:13:03.160 to promote promote the music, right, And I think there 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:05.280 were some people who were trying to figure out we'll 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:07.880 call them more shady ways of getting paid around the music. 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:10.559 And so that's what that sounds like. And so ken 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:11.880 Nash was never about that. 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:15.120 Okay. So again this is me asking from the most 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:19.120 naive standpoint whatever, because I really never spoke to a 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:27.519 seasoned radio person. Is radio's existence or is its purpose 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:34.120 to promote music? No? What is radios? What is radio's purpose? 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:38.960 It is to increase shareholder wealth. That's what it's there for. 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:39.880 That's what it's there for. 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:40.160 Okay. 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:42.360 Now, so there are people who are in radio who 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:46.599 love music, who want to make sure that music thrives 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:48.800 and gets a thrill out of finding the new and 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:52.720 exposing to other folks. But radio's purpose itself is to 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:55.880 increase shareholder wealth, and it became more and more of 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.760 that as more of these conglomerates popped up and they 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:00.840 found wonderful ways of doing it, and there's some cool 1:14:00.840 --> 1:14:02.760 creative stuff that's come out of it, but that's not 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:03.640 what they're there for. 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:06.920 So the cheery on top is that you know, a 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:09.880 cat like you and I can discover Return to Forever 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:15.200 or weather report or craft work you know along the way. 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:21.960 But radio is really about how Chrysler or Toyoda or 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:26.320 whatever company it is can sell their products now for 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:30.320 a kid, For me, listening to radio at thirteen is 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:32.720 the object that you'll play the songs that I love 1:14:32.800 --> 1:14:35.720 so much that I'll control the dial in the car 1:14:36.240 --> 1:14:39.479 so that when Dad hears that cool in the Gang 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:42.880 Slitch want Liquor commercial, He'll like, yeah, I want some 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:44.800 you know, some beer or whatever like. 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:48.360 So it depends depends on the station. Das was probably 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:51.120 trying to appeal to your dad. You can DA, You're 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:52.599 probably trying to appeal to your dad at the right. 1:14:53.200 --> 1:14:56.160 But what I'm saying is that is the radio targeting 1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:58.479 a twelve and thirteen year old depends on station. 1:14:58.640 --> 1:14:59.680 I mean, well, today I know. 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:02.760 They're because of the artists that are winning now. I mean, 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:04.519 I'm sure the Rihanna's of the world and the Tailor 1:15:04.560 --> 1:15:07.800 Swifts of the world are hitting the eleven year olds 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:08.400 in the twenty. 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:10.320 But I guarantee you they're trying to hit eighteen to 1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:13.360 twenty four. Maybe sixteen, but that's not one of the 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:16.080 sellable demos. But eighteen to twenty four is probably as 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:17.760 low as you're going, and they believe that, you know, 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:20.400 the song appeal to a thirteen or sixteen can can 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.280 travel upward as well. 1:15:21.320 --> 1:15:24.519 So your sweet spot is the sixteen to twenty five. 1:15:24.439 --> 1:15:28.280 Year old for certain stations. For other for like adult contemporary, 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:28.880 it's older. 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:32.439 What's the station that was your highest listenership? Who had 1:15:32.479 --> 1:15:33.519 the biggest audience? 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:36.320 WBRU On Sundays we were in Providence, Rhode Island, and 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:38.200 no one else was playing black music at all. On 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:39.680 Sundays we would kill it. 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:42.400 But you weren't thinking about demographics then, were you. 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:45.080 We always think about demographics. We were ninety five point five, 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:47.280 so therefore we were on a commercial part of the dial. 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:50.680 We were always thinking about demographics always, and we were 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:52.640 selling eighteen to thirty four at that time, so we 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:54.519 really wanted to make sure that we were hitting eighteen 1:15:54.560 --> 1:15:56.880 to thirty four. We were. That's I mean, that's one 1:15:56.920 --> 1:15:58.600 of the great things about that station. We had to 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:01.720 think like a professional radio station. But in doing that, 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:04.960 we still did you have a much looser format? 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:07.520 Did you play a candy girl? If that's the case, absolutely, 1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:09.599 but eighteen and thirty. 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:11.560 Four the great here's the thing, here's the thing. So 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:13.559 we were able to cheat a little bit because there 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:17.559 was no other competition, so we had a we had 1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:20.320 a captive audience and a loyal audience in a in 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:23.040 a good way. And you can kind of sell anything, right, 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:25.960 So for example, for for Candy Girl, we would go 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:27.960 on there and say, hey, I know you missed the 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:31.000 Jackson five or having these talented brothers out of Boston, 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:33.680 so you hit on the emotion of they used to 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:36.320 like their local and you hope they do well. So 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:38.400 that's the way you make something like Candy Girl work, 1:16:38.400 --> 1:16:41.439 even though it's not necessarily for eighteen thirty four. So 1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:43.679 just was about, hey, this is a really good song, 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:46.479 and that as well. You want to find a really 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:47.799 good song, but you also want to find. 1:16:47.640 --> 1:16:48.880 A way that did it make it relevant? 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:50.639 To make it relevant and make it attach them. 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:52.519 To They stay and don't turn the channel because they 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:53.280 don't recognize the song. 1:16:53.840 --> 1:16:57.360 So if thirty four is the closing get then for 1:16:57.680 --> 1:16:59.760 for b are you at the time. But I would 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:02.160 think the older you are, the more you control the 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:05.439 purse strings in the house. So are you not thinking 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:08.080 a forty five year old, like if you're in a 1:17:08.120 --> 1:17:11.960 household the dad who might be forty two, forty three 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:12.439 years old. 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.120 So there's money at every level, Okay, there's there's just 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:17.599 you know, there's money at every level because especially eighteen 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:19.599 thirty four, you're controlling your own per springs, even though 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:23.760 it's not as much as the older, older audience, but 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:26.160 that's why they have I can't think of any station 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:26.920 that's a that's. 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:29.000 Ah like the light stations. 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:31.439 Yeah, like anything that says light FM. You can just 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:33.840 you just tattoo fifty four. 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:37.600 I live there all right. The radio edumacation portion of 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:40.240 the show. I can stay on forever, but we kind 1:17:40.280 --> 1:17:41.800 of have to go to DC a little bit and 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:44.599 go to BET. So what did you make your excess 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:46.519 from radio to uh television? 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:48.800 Said ild I left IOD in ninety three. I went 1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:50.639 to Dallas to go work at the Tom Joining Morning 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:52.679 Show was the first executive I was the first executive 1:17:52.680 --> 1:17:55.120 producer of the Tom join Of Morning Show for a 1:17:55.360 --> 1:18:00.639 year and then was that like it was what I learned. 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:01.080 I learned. 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:03.160 I learned how to do Selector, which is a great 1:18:03.479 --> 1:18:07.599 great music program on Sele. Selector is a music programming 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:09.479 well I use it as a warehouse. Some people use 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:11.680 to program their stations like it's like you put all 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:14.400 of your songs in a computer in different categories, and 1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:18.200 then most people ask the computer to spit out right, 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:21.599 So you in categories in different categories. So in an hour, 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:28.160 if you play twelve songs, you'll play five heavies, four mediums, 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:31.840 one brand new and one classic. Does that make sense? 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:33.280 Oh no, I'm sorry. 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:37.360 That's how radio has been formated. Did you feel conflicted, 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:39.280 Like no, no, no, no no, But that's what I'm saying. 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:40.720 So what you do is you put in all the 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:42.840 number of heavies you have, which is probably which is 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:45.160 maybe ten, I'm way off of the numbers. But the 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:47.080 idea is you put in the computer and then it'll 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:49.080 spit out in the order that you asked. Wanted to 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:54.160 be in music, and most programmers program their stations that way. 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:56.160 So when you say heavies, are you talking about heavy rotation? 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:57.040 Yes, heavy rotation. 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:00.800 It minds you. Every radio station uses this saying program So. 1:19:00.960 --> 1:19:05.519 Ninety four, if you're talking about five heavies in a 1:19:05.640 --> 1:19:08.000 month's time, are you singing that this song will get 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:10.519 played thirty times a day? 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:11.439 And no? 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:11.960 Okay? 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:14.920 So can I do it differently? Once every two hours? 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:18.040 So once every two hours a heavy would get played? Right, 1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:20.680 and then now a heavy gets played like what once 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:21.559 every thirty five minutes? 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.719 Like I could hear marias Fantasy at least three times 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:28.800 in a two hour period on radio or belief. Yeah, 1:19:28.880 --> 1:19:29.200 that's true. 1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:32.080 I mean that that's probably about the time, maybe two hours, right, 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:35.479 maybe twice yep. But now it's like it lives won 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:37.599 every thirty five minutes, once every forty five minutes. Yikes, 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:39.439 because the measure the way they measure it is how. 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:41.280 Did you feel about that? Like did you feel as 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:44.040 though the was it just like let's go with the 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:45.080 times or was it? 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:48.240 Well, in ILD when I was a programmer, it was 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:50.040 you still had to do that because we still wanted 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:52.040 to keep the audience. But the fun wasn't The two 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:55.080 new records you got to play right, because right, the 1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:57.200 fun was the two. The fun was the new you 1:19:57.240 --> 1:19:59.600 want to play with hour. It's true, like so you know, 1:19:59.680 --> 1:20:01.800 and when you pick, especially when it's either an album 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:05.400 cut that nobody else is playing or like still Seal 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:08.519 and Tracy Chapman and like Living, that was like it 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:11.080 was like putting on something that the other won't dare right, right, 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:12.160 That's what it was like. 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:14.680 Okay, so here's a question. How long would a song 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:16.840 have been on the station before it hits heavy rotation? 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:19.320 Oh my gosh, you test my memory. Ten weeks? Okay, 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:21.719 so ten weeks? What works itself up from light medium 1:20:22.880 --> 1:20:23.639 to heavy rotation? 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:27.400 And it would stand for heavy rotation for like on average. 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:31.200 If it was what was the Tony Terry song with 1:20:31.400 --> 1:20:33.639 You With You Tony Terry stayed on for like half 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:35.920 a year. Oh my god, Tony Terry till to this 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.799 day is that song would not need to put bullets 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:40.560 in that thing and it would not it would not 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:41.360 go down. 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:44.160 Well, who determines the life of a heavy rotation? 1:20:44.240 --> 1:20:45.840 So you do research once you Once you have a 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:50.000 song on there, you no more call out research. You 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:52.200 call different people and play hooks for them over the phone, 1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:54.200 and you find out how it's selling down at a 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:58.000 Nubian notion UH in Dudley Square in Boston, and find 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:00.640 out how it's selling its strawberries and town. And so 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:02.960 you find out how people are engaging with the song. 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:05.439 So, if you've ever gotten a promo seating and wondered 1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:08.040 why call out, research took was tracks two and three 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:09.800 and they were only seventeen seconds song. 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:12.879 That's why. Yes, wow, So because. 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:14.719 We always want to find out, like we're playing this stuff, 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:16.000 but do they like it? Do they not like it? 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:20.160 I'm sorry, I can't get off radio acause. 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:20.240 I was about to ask a radio but kind of 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:23.360 still transitioning your career question. So once you became a 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:26.080 producer for the Tom join and Morning Show, were you 1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:28.439 feeling a little bit more is it more free less 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:31.639 stress situation? Because no, it's not more boss. 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:34.120 But ninety four it was more stress around music because 1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:36.320 if you remember, a lot of people do it now, 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.960 but back then, only Howard Stern was doing multiple shows, 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:43.560 multiple stations in multiple cities. Right, Tom Joyner was the 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:48.480 first black shock to do it. So it was really pioneering. 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:50.720 And what you have to do is we started off 1:21:50.760 --> 1:21:53.040 from twelve stations, if I'm not mistaken, So on those 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:54.760 twelve stations, what you have to do is take all 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:56.880 the music from those twelve stations and you have to 1:21:56.960 --> 1:22:00.720 find a common denominator for those twelve stations, which is 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:04.120 just a very very small subset of the music that's 1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.600 being played or the music that's out that time. So 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:08.599 being the music person or one of the people put 1:22:08.640 --> 1:22:10.639 together the music for that was stressful for the times 1:22:10.720 --> 1:22:12.680 on the show because I would get a call from 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:15.559 who are programming Miami? Because we put on a song 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:18.560 that Chicago like, but they don't like it. So it 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:21.200 was really a restricted, restricted playlist, and when it came 1:22:21.200 --> 1:22:24.479 to uptempo songs, it was it was it was difficult. 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:25.880 Sounds like a headache. 1:22:25.880 --> 1:22:27.439 It sounds like twelve headaches. 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:29.280 So then you were ready for b Etcause. 1:22:29.760 --> 1:22:32.000 So yeah, anyhow, so I was there for a year 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:34.400 and then I got an opportunity to go to MTV 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:36.960 because MTV was hiring people who did radio. They like, 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:38.879 we don't care if you don't have any TV experience. 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:42.559 We're looking for people who know how to program radio. 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:46.920 So when were you at I was an MTV ninety 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:51.360 five to ninety nine. February ninety five to April ninety nine, Oh. 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:55.680 Right, when were you there doing Fred's period? Fred got us? 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:56.960 He did? He did? 1:22:57.840 --> 1:22:59.280 He did, Fred Fred he did? 1:22:59.360 --> 1:23:02.640 Fred was Fred Jordan. Of course, of course I'm not. 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:05.120 I'm not never mind, I was not connecting that very 1:23:05.160 --> 1:23:07.360 obvious dot. Yeah, Fred Jordan was. 1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:10.800 Fred Jordan, the late great Fred Jordan. Like one of 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:14.400 his last acts of greatness was I'm not just babing, 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:17.960 I'm like, please play my video. Yeah, and Fred got 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:24.120 you got me on like medium MTV rotation. Well you're 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:28.160 instantly nineteen ninety nine, and it's hard one nine trying 1:23:28.200 --> 1:23:32.759 to think I was there everywhere. It took MTV a second. 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:38.679 By April of nineteen ninety nine, they finally jumped aboard 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:41.439 and that really that started. That's when we were like, 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:44.000 oh my god, like five hundred thousand people brought this 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:45.200 record like we couldn't believe it. 1:23:45.360 --> 1:23:47.880 Like I'll tell you the record where I realized the 1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:53.160 power of MTV. What Skilo I wish, oh Man Skill 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:55.320 I Wish was shortly after I got there. 1:23:55.640 --> 1:23:56.439 I still love this song. 1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:58.920 I love that song. I was like, oh my, like 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:01.160 it was just fun. It was everything a video should 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:02.720 be like it was. And one of the things I 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:05.439 loved it was inexpensive right now was that was the 1:24:05.520 --> 1:24:07.960 time when when budgets on videos were starting to go up. 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:09.680 And what I loved about it, I was like, no, no, no, 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:11.519 show people that if you just have a great concept, 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.720 the cool song, you can spend little money, don't have 1:24:14.760 --> 1:24:16.840 to spend crazy money. I love that about it. And 1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:21.560 Skilo went gold, Like Skilo I Wish went gold, and 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.640 I was like, Oh, that's that's what MTV can do. 1:24:25.600 --> 1:24:27.639 Yeah. Shortly after I got there, during that time period, 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:31.200 I mean, MTV gave you regular rotation for at least 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:36.120 two or three months. Your life literally literally changed. But 1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:40.040 what was it like in that system once you got there? 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:41.360 What was your position once you I. 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:43.880 Was a director of music program. Yes, I was director 1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:46.240 of music, not the director because there was there was 1:24:46.280 --> 1:24:50.439 a bunch of us, myself, Lewis Largent, Kurt Stephik, Fred 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:53.960 Jordan was a manager. Patti Galuzzi ran the rand the 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:56.800 apartment along with Andy Shown was there when I was there. 1:24:56.840 --> 1:24:57.840 So were you the black guy? 1:24:58.160 --> 1:25:01.800 I was the black guy. I was a black guy, yes, 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:04.240 but I was I was like the Black Scenior. 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:05.519 Were you the ear to the streets? 1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:08.640 No, Fred was always the ear to the streets, right, 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:09.120 I was. 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:11.880 The streets, Yeah, yeah, yes, Baltic Avenue. Yes. 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:14.080 And Jack Benson to Jack Benson, who was a producer, 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:16.760 he wasn't on the music team Jack Jack Benson. Jack 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:20.120 Benson as well, was like, right, yeah, yeah, Jack is 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.800 Jack was. Jack was fighting the good fight long before 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:23.360 I got there. 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:28.040 How would you guys arm wrestled space of what got to. 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:32.479 I haven't thought about this at all, like. 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:34.800 The Motown system where the whole staff sits there and 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:35.559 watches the video. 1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:36.080 Yeah. 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:38.640 Absolutely. Monday we'd have the video meetings. We'd see what 1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:41.320 got accepted, like this is for you, this is for 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:43.519 one hundred and twenty minutes, this is for regular rotation. 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:48.080 And on Tuesday we'd have the music meeting. Fred eventually 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:49.479 came into the meeting. Freda wasn't in the meeting when 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:53.320 I first got there. Kurt Lewis, Paddick Lutzi, Sherry Howe 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:54.760 and we'd all kind of have it out for what 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:57.679 what music should be where, and it wasn't. It wasn't 1:25:57.760 --> 1:25:59.479 unlike radio. And that's why they I think it had 1:25:59.840 --> 1:26:03.160 had radio folks come in and do a lot of 1:26:03.200 --> 1:26:05.719 work on MTV, especially when it came to programming the music. 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:07.800 There are some great ones. I thought we'd you know, 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:13.160 there's some real misses we had, and one mentioned. Julie 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:15.920 Greenwald from Atlantic Records, who formerly of Deaf Jam, mentioned 1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:17.920 one at the Revolte conference the other day and she 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:19.840 put on Instagram and actually commented behind it. 1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:22.000 Wait, I want to guess good because I'm trying to 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:23.040 figure out the mine of Julie. 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:23.680 It was a miss. 1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:24.960 It was on Atlantic. 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:26.760 No, no, no, it wasn't. Remember she was Deaf Jam 1:26:26.800 --> 1:26:28.840 at the time, and they really wanted to come on 1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:31.240 the MTV. I remember New York's Times called it the 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:33.560 love song of the of the summer els. 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:34.600 What year is this? 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:38.719 I think it was ninety five, One sweet Day. Nope, 1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:44.639 method of Mary Oh, okay, the method of Mary Oh. 1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:46.320 I need to get by it. 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:46.800 Wow. 1:26:47.200 --> 1:26:48.840 And they brought that video up. They tried to get 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:51.000 on regular rotation and I was brand new, so I 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:52.479 didn't know my way around. One of the stories of 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:54.519 the biggest regrets, And I remember somebody on the team said, 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:58.720 I remember these words it's too dark in street. Oh 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:02.000 my god, I was like, I didn't know what to 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:03.960 do with at the time. I just I was brand new. 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:05.600 You didn't know what to say in that room at 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:07.680 the time, right, Like what do you say to that? 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:13.160 Too early to raise my fist? Like so and so 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:15.240 we it was it was in yo MTV, but it 1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:17.360 never really got on a full rotation that it deserved 1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:17.960 while it was on there. 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:20.920 But but remember it being played a lot. 1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:23.200 But you're saying that it could have been it could 1:27:23.240 --> 1:27:23.760 have been played more. 1:27:24.520 --> 1:27:24.800 It wasn't. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:25.479 It really was that. 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:25.880 It wasn't. 1:27:26.040 --> 1:27:28.320 You didn't get played on regular rotation that much on MTV. 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:31.400 How many how many videos would MTV keeping in heavy 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:32.439 rotation at. 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:35.920 The time, I can't remember. It's somewhere in the low teens. 1:27:35.960 --> 1:27:38.439 I think. I don't think of because Cake was one 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:41.000 of those something about that video and about that song. 1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:43.360 It was great. Yeah, I love that song and video. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:46.720 So you weren't dealing with just quote urban videos as well. 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:48.160 You you were dealing with. 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:51.919 Absolutely yeah, with all formats, all formats. 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:53.560 How did labels feel about that? 1:27:54.680 --> 1:27:55.200 What do you mean? 1:27:55.960 --> 1:27:59.120 Well, Sylvia Rone told me some stories about how Metallica 1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:05.160 felt about being their boss. But you know what's what's 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:09.240 a label feel about you? If you don't think that 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:12.519 it's not necessarily working. They kind of want to be like, uh, 1:28:12.640 --> 1:28:16.720 well let me see what I think. So they they call, uh, 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:18.320 who's the president? 1:28:18.600 --> 1:28:21.439 Was not Andy Shoon was running at them, Judy Judy, Judy, 1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:23.760 Judy McGrath was kind of overdall and it. 1:28:23.840 --> 1:28:25.559 Was sort of like I want to talk to your 1:28:25.600 --> 1:28:26.960 boss and see what she thinks. 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.000 And that happened every once in a while, but it 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:31.240 wasn't It wasn't a regular occurrence, and I think people 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:33.840 understood and respected all different types of music. I think 1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:38.479 people were surprised that I was that that the black 1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:41.160 guy like stuff other than black and music as well. 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:44.240 I think that came to a shocker to some folks 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:46.439 at first of the labels. But that was that was 1:28:46.479 --> 1:28:48.920 short lived. It was a great time. That was a 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:52.080 great time, and at a time when music was was 1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:54.120 was was kind of booming. It was it was you know, 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.080 post Nirvana. But uh but read how Chili Pepper is 1:28:57.080 --> 1:28:58.160 still going and so but. 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.759 How is it dealing? I mean, how's that for you personally? 1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:04.519 At least trying to not speak two languages. I know, 1:29:04.640 --> 1:29:09.479 like as a black person, yeah. I mean everyone has 1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:12.960 to naturally know two languages. The Great Dave Chappelle says 1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:17.600 that you know black men speak uh English, Well, no 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:22.720 that we and yeah job interview. So I mean you 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:27.320 found yourself often in positions in the boardroom having to 1:29:27.439 --> 1:29:30.160 prove your pedigree as far as your music knowledge is 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:35.639 just well beyond knowing, you know what what the black 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:36.760 artists are doing, and. 1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:40.479 Just with anything in any job, you just got to prove. 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:43.519 You got to prove that you belonged there. It wasn't 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:45.080 I don't felt like. I don't think it was. I 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:47.200 had to prove myself anymore, just had to prove that 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:49.240 I belonged there. I had to talk the language that 1:29:49.400 --> 1:29:51.720 like I know my music, I know I know my rock, 1:29:51.760 --> 1:29:53.439 I know my I know my you know my hip 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.720 hop thinks to and some of that was like I 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:58.040 also knew what I didn't know right. And that's why 1:29:58.040 --> 1:29:59.960 I have such a such a place for Fred, because 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:06.320 Fred Fred got it, Fred got stuff. Fred was. It 1:30:06.439 --> 1:30:08.240 hurts to talk about him sometimes he was just he 1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:10.800 was other not otherworldly, but he was just a very 1:30:10.880 --> 1:30:14.120 special guy and that artists loved him, and he understood 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:17.240 music and he knew what the next trend was. He 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:20.960 called he called cash money up like a good year 1:30:21.000 --> 1:30:23.719 and a half before it really popped off. He called 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:28.280 master p before that popped off. He was DiAngelo long 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:30.040 before d popped off. 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:30.840 Uh. 1:30:30.920 --> 1:30:34.200 And I know they had a very very very special relationship. 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:37.400 And so also so part of what was me knowing 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:40.320 knowing what I didn't know. But so sometimes Fred would 1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:43.479 Fred would come with the Uh. Fred would come with 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:45.080 the knowledge, and I'm like, great, I'm gonna take this 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:47.560 in the meeting and and let's see, let's see what 1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:49.600 we can do with it. Okay, favorite thing is that 1:30:49.680 --> 1:30:52.360 Fred Fred I'm the guy who liked the slow version 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:54.599 of him my Bed by Drew Hill, and Fred was like, nah, dude, 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:55.080 the remakeer. 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:05.320 So how at this level? Now got to ask, at 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:12.880 this level, how do artists handle rejection at this level 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:15.200 of your career, people that know that you're connected to 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:20.160 the label. I'm not asking for Suge Night stories. I'm 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:24.000 just saying that, you know, by this point in the 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:32.760 mid nineties, there's definitely a more hostile environment, especially with 1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:35.760 the uprising of hip hop and where it's come to 1:31:36.760 --> 1:31:40.400 where you know, it's about dollars and cents in the 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:45.560 popularity of you know, are you allowed to express I 1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:47.400 don't know if I'm feeling this video or not. And 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:51.840 you know, then you're somewhere at dinner in lam and 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:55.760 you have to see an executive and you know, how 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:59.120 come you ain't playing it? Like how do you because 1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:02.040 you were so active between that period in the mid 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:05.320 to mid ninety to the early arts, like how did 1:32:05.360 --> 1:32:10.959 you handle the juggling act of artists and executives egos? 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:14.080 So two things. I think One is that MTV we 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:16.320 always try to find a place for something, even if 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:21.080 it was just one spin on MTV, on YOUO, MTV raps, 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:24.240 the weekend version, right, we always try to find a 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:26.280 place for something that was that was that was our 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:28.880 that was our mantra, that was our mindset, like there's 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:31.160 got to somebody's gonna love this. You know, an alternative 1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:33.759 rock could get a play one hundred and twenty minutes. 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:36.760 So I think people understood were always trying to find something. 1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:40.920 That's one. Two is that I found it was advantageous 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:43.479 to establish very early that this is a long game. 1:32:43.920 --> 1:32:45.719 I know, I plan on being around for a while, 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:48.000 so we not We're not going to have this conversation. 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:50.920 We're gonna have this conversation, but we're not gonna lose 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:53.840 our relationship over one song because you're gonna come back 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:56.680 again and you know, so we're let's let's do this 1:32:56.840 --> 1:32:58.559 dance for a long term, because there's sometimes we're gonna 1:32:58.560 --> 1:32:59.760 be able to do stuff, do stuff the way you 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:01.960 want it, and other times we're not gonna. We're not 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.000 going to So I think, and I think everybody I think. 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:07.320 So you're saying that they knew not to bite the 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:08.360 hand that feeds them. 1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:17.360 I don't see. I mean, I don't think. I don't 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:19.439 I don't see it that way because it's not a 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:21.640 matter of biting the hand, Like what what could they do, like, 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:24.920 you know, not give us the videos or we were 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:27.360 especially then, you know, there was still a lot of 1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:29.920 music being played on m t V. And so it 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:32.160 just didn't make it didn't make any and I can't 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:34.360 remember it came. It came, but someone's ego had to 1:33:34.400 --> 1:33:35.160 get shattered. 1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:38.840 That was that big. I mean at some point, like 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:42.160 if Kanya had been around, no, I mean, okay, let's 1:33:42.240 --> 1:33:45.600 take uh okay, you weren't you were going by the 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:50.160 time Forever came out, Uh, when when when the Puffies 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:51.200 Forever album come out? 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:58.040 I want to say, no, what came up? Which is, uh, 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:00.559 did Forever have a which was hate Me Now? 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:01.400 That was? 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:02.559 That was. 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:06.800 But do you have a hate Me Now story? 1:34:07.840 --> 1:34:07.960 Oh? 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:08.880 That was a Stout? 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:15.000 So is there a good Steve Stout story? 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:17.800 Steve Stout story I think has been told that is 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:22.880 there a good Puffy story? Well, my last week, my 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:26.080 last week get MTV, there was an executive from Bad 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:30.960 Boy that while puff was going his route, they were 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:32.600 right across the street actually in the building that we 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.719 exist in right now, and came across to fifteen fifteen 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:41.640 Broadway with a couple of very very large gentlemen. Uh, 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:44.760 to facilitate his movement. Executive came over to try to 1:34:45.000 --> 1:34:51.160 you know, to intimidate, to intimidate people in the music department. 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:54.040 Now I don't want to use any proper nouns, but 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:57.360 there was there was a guy will we'll call him Bob, 1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:01.080 Bob who was who was new and was running the 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:05.120 department and and wasn't used to this type type of activity, 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:10.760 right was used the type of activity and so I 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:15.000 and Fred understanding that this activity was not going to 1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:18.719 bode well, for the long term. Again, this is about 1:35:18.720 --> 1:35:21.360 a long term play. Yes, there was a mistake made 1:35:22.080 --> 1:35:24.400 about playing and this was about playing the video with 1:35:25.240 --> 1:35:27.639 NAS and Puff and someone he was on a cross 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:28.360 and they weren't supposed to. 1:35:28.560 --> 1:35:30.240 Yeah, I was going to say the controversy was the 1:35:30.360 --> 1:35:33.400 fact that Puffy didn't want to be seen as on 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:33.880 the cross. 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:36.280 That is correct, That is that was controversy. That was 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:38.080 the controversy. He did not want to be seen as 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:38.759 on the cross. 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:40.560 Why did you shoot it? 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:44.840 Well, because by the way I and I support that, 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:46.599 you don't edit in the field. You edit in the room, right, 1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:48.479 and you make so you can make decisions, don't. You 1:35:48.520 --> 1:35:49.840 can't go like, oh, we should have shot that. 1:35:49.960 --> 1:35:52.720 So he didn't get final say he did. 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:54.320 There was a mistake, There was an there was a 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:56.839 there was a so there were standards issues where standards 1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:58.200 means like, oh, you can't do that because that's going 1:35:58.280 --> 1:36:01.120 to get us, you know, in trouble, and there's creative issues. 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:04.240 So in that all the standards issues were taken care 1:36:04.280 --> 1:36:07.320 of in the edit. Puff being on a cross wasn't 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:10.639 a standards issue. It was a creative issue. The creative 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:13.519 issue didn't get taken care of and so it aired 1:36:13.640 --> 1:36:17.719 with puff on the Cross, you know, right, the puff 1:36:17.760 --> 1:36:19.479 stouts thing. I don't I can't talk about that because 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:22.519 I wasn't there that that's documented. But a couple of 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:24.200 folks came across the street and like. 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:25.080 What went on. 1:36:25.439 --> 1:36:29.559 Now, the part the problem, of course, was there's nothing 1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:31.280 that could have been done. You can't untake it off, 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:33.320 you can't have un people unsee it. So that wasn't 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:35.479 really that wasn't a good use of force. It just 1:36:35.600 --> 1:36:37.320 wasn't a smart use of force. It was just a 1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:39.440 use of force out of anger, not out of intelligence 1:36:39.520 --> 1:36:40.479 or thinking it. 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:42.559 Well, I was going to say, why were the unsavory 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:45.439 gentlemen at fifteen to fifty Broadway and not at the 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:47.000 editor's post or. 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:49.679 Closer access. 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:53.240 So are you saying that they called you guys and 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:56.479 said stop playing the video, and you guys said nope, no, 1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:57.120 that's the point. 1:36:57.200 --> 1:36:58.320 The point is all they had to do is say, 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:00.040 don't play the video. Wouldn't play the video again the 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:01.519 first The fact they played in the first place was 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:03.840 a mistake. We knew that it was. It was out 1:37:03.880 --> 1:37:07.320 of emotion. So it was Sonny Qualleone, not Michael. That's 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:08.040 the best way to put it. 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:11.040 So the video came had the video had to have 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:15.800 come from the label, right, yes, so somebody at the 1:37:15.840 --> 1:37:17.640 label screwed up so. 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:22.320 Or in a way yes, so like did the label 1:37:22.400 --> 1:37:24.320 does not have the right they did not have the 1:37:24.400 --> 1:37:27.000 final version? Or did they said too? 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.519 I think if I remember correctly, you test my memory, 1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:32.120 I think we had two versions. The wrong one got 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:34.320 played because I remember it was a creative issue, not 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:35.880 a standards issue. So we had the one that that 1:37:36.120 --> 1:37:37.320 and the one that got played was the one that 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:39.519 took care of all the standards issues. And so that's 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:41.760 how the that's how the wrong got played. But I 1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:43.400 think that was the one and only time it was played. 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:45.880 There was no there was actually nothing to be gained 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:48.800 by coming over and doing that, right because except and 1:37:48.960 --> 1:37:51.200 and sure enough I've talked about it. You know, you 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:53.120 play for the long you play for the long ball. 1:37:53.520 --> 1:37:56.320 That damaged the relationship. And that was literally my last 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:59.000 week at MTV. Not because of that, that was just 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:00.920 it was scheduled at all. We're rid of the last 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:03.920 week and I've always I'll take this moment and say 1:38:03.920 --> 1:38:06.000 I was I loved MTV and being there. It was 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:07.639 very cool, even after I announced where I was leaving 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:10.240 and where I was going, they let me stay, Like 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:12.040 I remember, let me finish out the week. It wasn't 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:14.280 like close up your laptop and close computer to leave 1:38:14.320 --> 1:38:16.240 right now. And I've always I was. I always had 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:16.880 a loft foot up for that. 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:20.040 So at the time, was BT part of the uh 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:22.879 Viacom conglomerate over the independent. 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:27.479 BT was independently owned, was privately owned. Bob Johnson, of course, 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:29.560 is the person who founded it. He had taken it 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:32.000 public and then taken it private again, so he he 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:34.960 was the major shareholder or it was. It was privately 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:35.840 owned at that. 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:37.800 Point in time, and you felt like that was a 1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:40.519 better move or a better that's what you know. 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:42.040 I I here's where I put it. I put I 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:45.280 decided to put my job where my mouth was right. 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:47.320 I looked at it. I looked at it and said like, oh, 1:38:47.600 --> 1:38:48.840 maybe could be a little bit better or do a 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:51.479 little bit different. And I knew that there was some 1:38:52.360 --> 1:38:56.559 different ways that labels were treating BT and and MTV 1:38:56.680 --> 1:39:00.560 at the time, and so there was just an opportunity 1:39:00.600 --> 1:39:04.320 to to make a change. And so it was in 1:39:04.360 --> 1:39:04.759 the beginning. 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:06.720 What were your thoughts of BT, like, did you see 1:39:06.760 --> 1:39:11.639 it as the kind of the kid redhead step style 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:13.439 of the videos. 1:39:13.040 --> 1:39:19.880 Showing immediately say I have to change that, or like we. 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:21.840 Can step this up a little bit or that sort of. 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:23.800 I think it was more we can we can step 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:25.960 this up? You know, I knew it was it was. 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:29.200 It was handcuffed by being in d C. Being in 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:32.559 DC was a great thing for because when Bob needed 1:39:32.560 --> 1:39:34.080 to get stuff done on Capitol Hill, that was the 1:39:34.200 --> 1:39:36.760 perfect place to be. But to be to really be 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:39.760 an entertainment a player in the entertainment world, it was 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:40.639 tough being in DC. 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.000 So it was kind of the motown Detroit. 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:50.439 Yeah, yeah, but except except the talent lived in Detroit, 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:53.040 so that was great. The talent coming to d C 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:54.680 was always a bit of a challenge, like it was, 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:57.320 you know, it's out of the way, right and so 1:39:57.560 --> 1:39:59.560 one of the first things in my interview I was like, 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:02.240 but what do you think about moving some parts of 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:05.839 your stuff to New York? And so were they receptive 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:08.400 or yeah? Within within a year we I got there 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:13.640 and I got there in June April April May of 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:16.679 ninety nine, and we kicked off one of six park 1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:22.200 on September September eleventh, two thousand. I was in the room, 1:40:22.280 --> 1:40:23.920 like there was a bunch of us, but yeah, but 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:24.840 but yeah, there. 1:40:24.760 --> 1:40:29.040 Was a I remember there was talk amongst us, you know, 1:40:29.200 --> 1:40:31.160 my peers, that you know, they're going to have a 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:34.280 black TRL. I was like, how is that going to work? 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:38.280 And you know I could have I couldn't imagine such 1:40:38.280 --> 1:40:42.439 a thing, and so yeah, yeah it actually worked. 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:45.320 It was, it was yeah, it was. It was live 1:40:45.400 --> 1:40:48.400 TV New York. A J and Free a J was 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:51.160 actually supposed to be a J was actually we were 1:40:51.240 --> 1:40:53.639 we were getting a J to help us find posts. 1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:55.479 And then I saw how we how we how we 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:57.439 work with people and how people reacted to him. I'm like, no, 1:40:57.680 --> 1:40:58.240 that that's you. 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:00.559 Because AJ and he went to like Howard is THEFF 1:41:00.600 --> 1:41:05.519 because I J and ali Al used to work against 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:10.240 the wall right on Howard, Who's yeah, yeah, we used 1:41:10.280 --> 1:41:12.120 to go in high school. We went to Bannkers, so 1:41:12.120 --> 1:41:13.960 we would go down there. But he would make us laugh. 1:41:14.160 --> 1:41:16.800 Yeah he's still doing it. He's still doing that today. 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:19.880 And then free Free actually was a Free was an 1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:22.280 intern at w I L D in Boston. I know 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:24.599 I knew Free seen she was fifteen sixteen years old. 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:27.160 Oh wow, and always had that personality. She was down 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:29.240 with the quad CFS clue with the she was. 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:32.960 Yes, she was Oh yeah, she was marine. 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:34.880 That's right, Mariet, That's right. 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:36.479 Yeah, the free. 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:42.640 Girl w PGC sister absolutely absolutely shout to a j 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:43.760 N free Wow. 1:41:44.000 --> 1:41:44.479 What damn? 1:41:44.520 --> 1:41:46.080 There must be something, you know what, you must be 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:49.519 very proud. You have some some great talent that's come through. 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:52.719 And all my kids like AJ has really done it, Rocky. 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:55.960 Has done it, Roxy, Terrence is killing Terrence is killing it. 1:41:56.160 --> 1:41:58.160 I mean really tickets killing it on his own little 1:41:58.200 --> 1:42:01.400 way too, you know what I'm saying. So wow, Jo, Yeah, 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:01.800 a lot. 1:42:03.600 --> 1:42:04.400 So where kids? 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:07.840 So at this point, like how do you besides the 1:42:07.880 --> 1:42:12.360 New York recommendation, Like what's the reception to you kind 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:13.920 of coming in shaking things up? 1:42:14.040 --> 1:42:14.559 Or was it. 1:42:16.280 --> 1:42:18.080 It was Jed read like the Art of war to 1:42:18.160 --> 1:42:20.840 figure out? Like can you even talk about this? 1:42:22.280 --> 1:42:25.559 I can't because because it was it was people wanted 1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:28.439 to you know, Deborly and and and and and Bob 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:30.640 Johnson really wanted to want to change. They wanted to 1:42:30.680 --> 1:42:33.559 be a kind of a they want to be bigger player, 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:36.080 bigger players in the game, and so they were absolutely 1:42:36.280 --> 1:42:39.599 open to change and and and and and and uh, 1:42:39.760 --> 1:42:41.920 you know, for example, there only used to be like 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:43.599 like six months a year, and the rest of them 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:46.080 were repeats throughout the summer, so you could you could 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:48.400 change the videos, but the but the but the interviews 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:51.080 were sometimes like four months old. And so one of 1:42:51.120 --> 1:42:53.160 the first things we did was was, Okay, was going 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:55.920 to keep some of the music up all year. Get 1:42:55.960 --> 1:42:58.200 great personalities, hits from the street, you know, hits from 1:42:58.200 --> 1:42:59.800 the streets. Still one of my favorite people in the world. 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:02.360 Hits from the Street literally came from I got second 1:43:02.400 --> 1:43:03.960 week there. I'm having meetings with people and have this 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:07.320 meeting with a group of people and uh, everybody leaves 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:09.920 accept him. I'm like, oh, you in this department saying no, 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:11.639 I just came in for the meeting. I heard you knew, 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:15.320 I'm your guy, I'm funny, and I do this and 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:17.280 I'm like, and somebody's told me not to kick him 1:43:17.280 --> 1:43:19.320 out of the office. And so I said, Okay, here's 1:43:19.320 --> 1:43:20.200 what I need you to do. I need you to 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.240 take get a cam quarter, big ass cam quarters in 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:26.360 the day and just go somewhere and for half an hour, 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:30.240 just play with people, right, just just just get's interact 1:43:30.280 --> 1:43:32.240 with people. He said, I don't have a camcram quarter. 1:43:32.280 --> 1:43:33.960 And I said, if you really want this gig, you'll 1:43:34.000 --> 1:43:36.479 find a cam quarder, right, And so he went and 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:38.799 got a cam quarter and went down to Union Station. 1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:42.519 And I don't remember every one of his bits. Number one, 1:43:42.560 --> 1:43:44.560 I never watched the whole tape. Number two, one of 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:48.080 his bits was going to somebody, you know, play listen, 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:51.880 I'm getting I'm getting the I'm getting my friend a 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:54.040 birthday gift. You look about the side. Would you mind 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:55.720 trying it on for me? Just see see if it fits? 1:43:55.920 --> 1:44:05.080 There's no problem, and he pulls out a condom and 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:08.040 so literally the first fifteen minutes, first fifteen minutes of 1:44:08.080 --> 1:44:09.640 that tape were so fun. I never looked at the 1:44:09.680 --> 1:44:13.400 last fifteen minutes and we we oh my gosh, I'm 1:44:13.479 --> 1:44:16.160 just remembering. So when I came there, they had already 1:44:16.200 --> 1:44:18.000 ad sales. The ad sales team had already sold the 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:21.240 titles of the shows, and so I was stuck with 1:44:21.280 --> 1:44:22.599 the titles of the shows. But I could do whatever 1:44:22.600 --> 1:44:24.800 I wanted to with them, right, So Hits from the 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:27.120 Street was a title I had to had to use. 1:44:27.200 --> 1:44:28.720 It didn't matter what the show was. The show had 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:31.160 to be called Hits from the Streets. And so since 1:44:31.160 --> 1:44:32.720 I had that title, I just called him Hits. We 1:44:32.840 --> 1:44:36.439 just called him hits. The show Hits from the streets, 1:44:36.479 --> 1:44:37.519 and so we sent him on the streets, and so 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:40.400 we becme Hits from the Streets. Ceta's original name was 1:44:40.520 --> 1:44:45.880 jam Zone Jam Zone Time. It was way ahead of 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:46.280 her time. 1:44:46.640 --> 1:44:50.040 Yeah, she was like the black Max head Room yet 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:55.240 of Okay, bad reference, but okay, I always watch your 1:44:55.280 --> 1:44:56.960 face to see if it was too. 1:44:57.720 --> 1:45:00.000 No, I agree, but she's a little bit more comfortab. 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:03.000 Yeah, she got she she got away with saying stuff that, like, 1:45:03.120 --> 1:45:06.639 you know, a live person couldn't have done, couldn't have done, 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:08.599 couldn't have done because there was somebody coming and break 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:09.160 the mystery. 1:45:09.240 --> 1:45:09.720 Who was she? 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:12.880 I met her, you know, Troy. 1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:13.680 Her name is Kelly Troy. 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:16.240 She told me close my eyes and then she started 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:21.120 talking like yeah, but her voice is like nothing like that. 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:24.320 No, no, no, no. The name Ceda came from the 1:45:24.320 --> 1:45:27.600 person who actually drew the design for the for for 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:29.360 the character Cita. That was her name. 1:45:29.840 --> 1:45:33.679 It's time for a Cedar revival. I'm sorry. I wouldn't look. 1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:36.280 Different, more like you saw by the way, and it 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:38.160 was I thought it was brilliant. The person somebody put 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:39.960 together the B T Harlem shake when that was the 1:45:39.960 --> 1:45:41.760 big thing, and all of a sudden, the dude the 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:44.240 Harlem shake and Ceda comes in going from left and right. 1:45:44.280 --> 1:45:51.880 I was like, that's championship move right there, Yo, I. 1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:54.000 Gotta ask you because one thing about you. I mean, 1:45:54.040 --> 1:45:56.639 people watch BT, they see you periodically, but you always 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:58.920 look like you are having a ball. Like when was 1:45:59.000 --> 1:46:02.160 the first time and this gig when it was like official, 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:04.200 you were having a ball. You were loving this job. 1:46:04.800 --> 1:46:05.200 This is it. 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:08.439 He's always like always from the beginning, because I always 1:46:08.479 --> 1:46:09.559 see you at concerts. 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:13.080 Yes, yes, even at the Police when the Police reunited. 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:18.200 That's right, when yes, two black guys in the audience 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:21.760 jumping their asses off and the whole audience was like 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:23.360 too cool for school and that's right. 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:28.040 And by the way, and man, because because Stuart Copeland 1:46:28.080 --> 1:46:29.840 wasn't playing it like you did on the record. 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:33.720 I know, but they were, you know, these something they. 1:46:35.400 --> 1:46:36.080 I was waiting for that. 1:46:36.320 --> 1:46:38.800 Just for the fact that they were there. That was 1:46:38.960 --> 1:46:39.360 enough for me. 1:46:39.520 --> 1:46:41.600 It was so how do you do this, Steve, And 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:43.840 this is interesting because you have such a dynamic like 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:46.400 music taste and now you're at BT Like it was 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:48.160 different when you were a MTV you had this, you 1:46:48.240 --> 1:46:51.320 had that. Now it's a little bit more of a box. 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:53.120 It's just a big box, but it's a little bit more. 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:55.360 But how do you survive in that? And then at 1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:57.800 the same time you have to create standards for what 1:46:57.880 --> 1:46:59.960 you're going to do in that box because it wasn't 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:01.960 like it was like your college show where you just 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:05.560 played black music, you know what I mean? You had standards. 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:09.880 So how did you survive with this mentality of free 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:12.200 music life in this box? 1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:13.439 I'm not sure I understand. 1:47:13.960 --> 1:47:15.240 I think he's trying to ask, like, how do you 1:47:15.320 --> 1:47:17.280 reconcile the ship you like versus the ship you have? 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:19.360 Yeah, that was trying to make it sound real pretty. 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:22.360 There's a lot of there's a lot of people who 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:26.080 who have to work. Now, that's not gonna sound right 1:47:26.560 --> 1:47:29.320 like I love this music thing. I love this music, 1:47:29.360 --> 1:47:32.120 I love I love television, but my heart is my 1:47:32.160 --> 1:47:34.680 heart is in music and so the fact that I 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:37.120 get to work in music at all is just the 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:39.680 greatest thing in the world. I still have hobby. You know, 1:47:39.720 --> 1:47:43.439 I'm still going to go see you know, Radiohead. Traveling 1:47:43.439 --> 1:47:44.960 around the world to see Radiohead is my thing. 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:45.519 That's my thing. 1:47:45.560 --> 1:47:47.479 It will never be my it won't be my job anymore. 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:50.280 It was when as an MTV I could make that 1:47:50.400 --> 1:47:53.200 that but but it's I just love doing it. 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:55.720 So so you're really living still living your life. Like 1:47:56.040 --> 1:47:58.400 basically I feel like like a black radio person, whereas 1:47:58.439 --> 1:48:01.519 like we do have other tastes. But however, at my job, 1:48:01.760 --> 1:48:02.080 this is. 1:48:02.280 --> 1:48:02.680 What you do. 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:05.400 Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, But also you try to you 1:48:05.479 --> 1:48:09.280 try to try to put not my taste but part 1:48:09.280 --> 1:48:14.040 of the cool thing. I never never lose the desire 1:48:14.080 --> 1:48:16.000 and the love of like, oh shoot this brand new 1:48:16.080 --> 1:48:18.320 like Anderson pack on the on the BET Awards year, 1:48:18.520 --> 1:48:20.439 not painting many people who knew who Anderson. 1:48:20.760 --> 1:48:22.040 Yeah, I was thankful for thank you for that. 1:48:22.200 --> 1:48:23.840 No, no, no, no, it's the it's the thing we 1:48:23.880 --> 1:48:25.280 love to do. Do we we put on the BT 1:48:25.360 --> 1:48:27.880 Awards like we want to find two people that nobody 1:48:28.000 --> 1:48:32.479 knows about and hopefully people will put people will people 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:33.120 will pick up on it. 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:36.200 Do you think that you know, because uh, I had 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:44.840 a group at one time, Little brother not ringing, ringing, Uh, 1:48:45.120 --> 1:48:47.760 you know ues And at the time, there was a 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:53.720 we had a video and it was the rumor was 1:48:53.760 --> 1:48:55.720 that it was we we got from BT that was 1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:57.639 too intelligent for the listeners. 1:48:58.560 --> 1:49:00.640 I spent years trying to track that down, like like 1:49:00.760 --> 1:49:02.439 literally they just did no joke, no, no, for real, 1:49:02.520 --> 1:49:05.040 because that made no sense to me because given and 1:49:05.080 --> 1:49:07.960 I don't remember the exact time period, but like this 1:49:08.120 --> 1:49:11.080 part about always wanting to expose and go new directions 1:49:11.080 --> 1:49:13.760 of music is not new. And so for us to 1:49:13.800 --> 1:49:16.800 anybody say that's too intelligent just flies in the face 1:49:16.880 --> 1:49:18.479 of everything that I had done in my career and 1:49:18.520 --> 1:49:21.920 that that our team wanted to do. So and I 1:49:22.000 --> 1:49:24.600 swear to go except like who said to anybody on 1:49:24.640 --> 1:49:26.120 the team that was too intelligent? I never found out 1:49:26.120 --> 1:49:26.479 who that was. 1:49:26.640 --> 1:49:28.439 No, I mean we didn't either, and I mean after 1:49:28.439 --> 1:49:32.200 a while, it was just whatever on the internet. It 1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:33.920 really could have just been something that came out of 1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:37.000 a fucking internet form or form or whatever. Yet, right, 1:49:37.479 --> 1:49:40.240 so my question was, do you think now you know, 1:49:40.439 --> 1:49:42.160 a group like a Little Brother. I mean it's not 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:43.960 about me, but just like a group like that, do 1:49:44.040 --> 1:49:47.120 you think they have more because from what I've seen. 1:49:47.840 --> 1:49:50.360 It seems to me like y'all have more leeway now 1:49:51.680 --> 1:49:53.720 in terms of like getting the Anderson Park and the 1:49:53.760 --> 1:49:55.640 stuff y'all doing with the ciphers, you know what I mean. 1:49:56.000 --> 1:49:58.000 It seems like y'all have more leeway now to really 1:49:58.040 --> 1:50:01.280 put new people on than you did, say, ten years ago, 1:50:01.400 --> 1:50:03.080 like when we were kind of doing I mean, that's 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:03.720 how it seems to me. 1:50:03.800 --> 1:50:05.479 So we have to do it in a different form 1:50:05.560 --> 1:50:09.080 because again, like like radio, when we were doing you know's, 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:11.640 there's tons of videos that I've loved that we just 1:50:11.720 --> 1:50:14.479 couldn't play. There's far more good music than there are 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:16.160 slots to put it in when you're trying to programming 1:50:16.160 --> 1:50:18.880 it on radio. You know, I saw, I saw you 1:50:19.080 --> 1:50:21.679 crinkle your eyebrows when I say like twelve and twelve 1:50:22.000 --> 1:50:24.760 specific an hours, five heavies. But that's that's just the 1:50:24.880 --> 1:50:28.960 reality of the business. But on the Ciphers, on those 1:50:29.240 --> 1:50:32.040 music matters, slots that we that we did, that we 1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:34.760 do on the BT Awards, that's when we get to like, Okay, 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:37.719 we can't do it repeatedly like we do with videos, 1:50:37.920 --> 1:50:41.200 but we can show people like this is some dope 1:50:41.240 --> 1:50:41.840 stuff you should know. 1:50:41.960 --> 1:50:43.840 Yeah, you should You should know this. What is the 1:50:43.960 --> 1:50:48.920 challenge for y'all in terms of like staying relevant which 1:50:48.960 --> 1:50:50.400 is a word that I hate, but I think you 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:53.120 understand the context of what I mean. You know, in 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:55.600 a in an era where we live in where you know, 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:58.160 videos and stuff are pretty much on demand now, and 1:50:58.400 --> 1:51:01.439 you know, just the way that people consume music is 1:51:01.520 --> 1:51:05.599 totally different, and there's so much more. You know, you're 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:09.160 a network, but you're competing with celebrities on Snapchat, you 1:51:09.200 --> 1:51:12.160 know what I mean, How how do you adapt to 1:51:12.240 --> 1:51:13.080 that we've had? 1:51:13.400 --> 1:51:15.840 I mean, when it comes to music, there's there's the 1:51:15.960 --> 1:51:18.400 music on BT right now is really it's in our 1:51:18.479 --> 1:51:21.240 it's our tempoles and our award shows. A lot of 1:51:21.280 --> 1:51:23.559 there's some stuff on Centric. We have BT Jams, which 1:51:23.600 --> 1:51:28.479 is still completely video uh BT Soul as well. But 1:51:28.800 --> 1:51:31.760 the idea of playing videos on on BET propers is 1:51:32.479 --> 1:51:34.000 it's a tough thing to do now. We don't have 1:51:34.040 --> 1:51:37.559 any video shows on on BT like V Yeah, yeah, 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:40.720 because because to your point, everything's moved online. You know, 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:43.960 you used to sit around with man Man when that 1:51:44.200 --> 1:51:46.439 new Little Bow Wow video comes on, We're sitting right 1:51:46.479 --> 1:51:48.519 in front of that TV. I'm gonna be right there, 1:51:48.960 --> 1:51:49.840 and now it's like, you know. 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:52.960 I can use exactly you see it. There's there's no 1:51:53.280 --> 1:51:55.160 As a result, you lose some of the discovery that 1:51:55.320 --> 1:51:56.040 comes along with. 1:51:57.120 --> 1:51:59.760 But I'm fascinated by folks like like like Chance the Rapper. 1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:02.559 I love seeing here what I love. I love seeing 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:04.559 Chance the Rapper at the top of the this thing 1:52:04.640 --> 1:52:07.200 comes out that you know, the top songs being played 1:52:07.240 --> 1:52:09.920 at radio, and it has the name the song and 1:52:10.080 --> 1:52:12.040 the artist and the number of weeks it's been on 1:52:12.400 --> 1:52:13.280 and the label it's on. 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:13.680 Right. 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:17.160 I love seeing Chance the Rapper and having no late label. 1:52:17.680 --> 1:52:20.679 That was That was fantastic. The last thing I remember 1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:26.080 that happening was Drake, the best I ever had before 1:52:26.240 --> 1:52:29.040 before he signed. Right, that's the last number one without 1:52:29.040 --> 1:52:32.240 a label. So there's just different ways, you know. I 1:52:32.280 --> 1:52:34.080 think somebody's going to make a whole bunch of money 1:52:34.120 --> 1:52:35.800 when they figure out how to harness that. Okay, how 1:52:35.840 --> 1:52:38.960 do you how do you reach critical mass at the 1:52:39.040 --> 1:52:41.920 same time on the internet. I don't think anybody's really 1:52:42.240 --> 1:52:47.160 done that successfully repetitively yet, But there's these things that 1:52:47.240 --> 1:52:50.280 break through and it's just it's fantastic to see hurts 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:52.080 our business as a music lover, and I'd love to 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:54.360 have more music on B E T proper. You know 1:52:54.520 --> 1:52:57.080 it's above for me, but I love but for the game. 1:52:57.160 --> 1:52:58.720 I love the people can do that. I love the 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:01.679 people don't have to be dependent on a distribution source 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:02.559 to get their music. 1:53:02.439 --> 1:53:08.200 Hurt So in your world, what is the perfect what 1:53:09.200 --> 1:53:13.400 what's the what's your vision of Okay, now, especially now 1:53:13.439 --> 1:53:18.439 that you're president, like, what is the vision two? Make 1:53:18.520 --> 1:53:19.759 it perfect? 1:53:20.680 --> 1:53:20.720 Like? 1:53:20.840 --> 1:53:22.920 What is your perfect vision of B E T? 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:28.360 It's good to make to make entertaining programming. The people 1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.599 are either doubled over in laughter with or all up 1:53:31.640 --> 1:53:33.760 engaged in the drama. Right If I can do being 1:53:33.840 --> 1:53:36.759 married Jane times three in Real Husbands of Hollywood times 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:42.519 four while doing things like Charged the DA versus Black America, 1:53:42.560 --> 1:53:45.760 which we did last night, you'd be stunned how many 1:53:45.800 --> 1:53:48.800 people don't know what a DA does, who their d 1:53:49.280 --> 1:53:52.680 d A is or or or how they can elect them. Right, 1:53:53.040 --> 1:53:55.320 and yet the DA has more to do with how people, 1:53:55.680 --> 1:53:57.439 how people go to get charged and go to jail 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.080 than the police. Everybody's focused on the police, and for 1:54:00.160 --> 1:54:02.720 an American interaction, it's all about the DA. All the 1:54:03.040 --> 1:54:05.439 police do is deliver you to the door, right, the 1:54:05.520 --> 1:54:08.479 DA decides whether what you have in your pocket is 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:12.080 going to get you probation or a twenty year or 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:14.559 get charged for twenty years. And so when we get 1:54:14.600 --> 1:54:16.280 to do programs like that, I love that as well. 1:54:16.320 --> 1:54:18.439 We did we did I think a great show on 1:54:19.120 --> 1:54:21.679 on OJ Simpson when we talking about O J. Simpson 1:54:21.840 --> 1:54:23.080 and we went back to the hood where O J. 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:26.280 Simpson came from and went from that perspective. So if 1:54:26.320 --> 1:54:28.080 you can get people to think about your programming plus 1:54:28.120 --> 1:54:30.760 double over laughter and be involved with the drama, that's 1:54:30.800 --> 1:54:32.520 the thing. And then of course the big award show. 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:35.080 So how do you On a smaller note, I'm just curious, 1:54:35.120 --> 1:54:37.040 how do y'all decide what you're gonna syndicate because I 1:54:37.080 --> 1:54:39.080 know you guys have like Wendy Williams and I think 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:40.400 you do scandal. 1:54:41.000 --> 1:54:43.200 I thought you used to do scan. 1:54:43.480 --> 1:54:45.040 Yeah, but that's just interesting too, because I always thought 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:47.160 it was interesting what shows you decide to do that, 1:54:47.240 --> 1:54:50.640 which is BT now has so many original programming, But. 1:54:50.960 --> 1:54:52.360 How did you There's a lot of hours in the 1:54:52.440 --> 1:54:54.360 day and you gotta fiell. I think every kind of 1:54:54.360 --> 1:54:56.240 all cable stations are building that model of you. You 1:54:56.560 --> 1:54:58.360 you you syndicate a bit, you do a little bit 1:54:58.360 --> 1:55:00.440 of original programming, and then sometimes you do do some 1:55:00.560 --> 1:55:03.360 tenpoles and so you know, with that same thing we wanted, 1:55:03.400 --> 1:55:04.800 you know, we got Scandal because that was drama that 1:55:04.840 --> 1:55:06.040 everybody was all up in at the time. 1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:09.320 Uh yeah, I thought that was really soon that that 1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:11.960 started was being syndicated because it was like. 1:55:12.360 --> 1:55:14.120 One of the Yeah. 1:55:14.320 --> 1:55:16.280 But but but that's the way, that's the way it's happening. 1:55:16.320 --> 1:55:18.000 Now things are coming on, things are coming on getting 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:21.640 syndicated sooner. But but there's challenges around that because now 1:55:21.680 --> 1:55:25.680 you can find almost like with with videos, you can 1:55:25.720 --> 1:55:28.200 find them wherever you want to, on your device or wherever. Yeah, 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:29.960 well I would have lost that. I don't have lost 1:55:30.000 --> 1:55:31.400 that fight. I would I would have lost that beat. 1:55:31.800 --> 1:55:33.840 Ten years ago, someone said, ten years ago, I'm gonna 1:55:33.840 --> 1:55:35.480 give you something the size of your phone, and you're 1:55:35.480 --> 1:55:37.560 gonna watch a video, not just a video, but you're 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:39.560 gonna watch something for in half an hour, two hours 1:55:39.960 --> 1:55:42.840 straight on this No, no, no, it's not gonna happen. 1:55:43.160 --> 1:55:46.200 But I lost that. I lost that. I lost that one. Yeah, 1:55:46.960 --> 1:55:48.680 I like scandal you did. 1:55:51.320 --> 1:55:53.879 It's not an original program in Steve, you gotta. 1:55:54.320 --> 1:55:57.640 It's syndicated, alright, he likes it. 1:55:58.280 --> 1:56:04.440 Hey, Mikey be like, so I would be remiss if 1:56:05.560 --> 1:56:11.800 I didn't bring up kind of the the the contra 1:56:11.960 --> 1:56:15.200 well not the controversy, but I mean, obviously in some 1:56:15.320 --> 1:56:18.240 people's eyes, they you know, there's people that like, thank 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:21.360 God for BT, and they focus on stuff I want 1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:26.680 to see, and then there's another Yeah, the critics, the criticism. 1:56:28.200 --> 1:56:33.840 First of all, I hate that BT Young Cut went away, know, 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:34.840 and I'm gonna tell you why. 1:56:34.920 --> 1:56:37.080 I'm gonna I'm be just keep on hunting with you. 1:56:37.520 --> 1:56:40.840 I like BT Young Cut because it came on at 1:56:40.880 --> 1:56:43.280 a time when no children should be up anyway, you 1:56:43.320 --> 1:56:45.680 know what I mean, And so like it came on, So. 1:56:46.280 --> 1:56:49.000 I was one of the supporters, you know, regardless of whatever. 1:56:49.160 --> 1:56:51.880 I was one of the people that defended BT for 1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:54.960 I'm like, listen, we all watch these songs. 1:56:55.000 --> 1:56:56.800 It birthed us some of the greatest songs. 1:56:57.160 --> 1:56:58.200 What that Thing Smell Like? 1:56:58.400 --> 1:57:01.320 Come On by Black Jesus On the personal favorite of mine, 1:57:01.880 --> 1:57:02.360 you know what I mean. 1:57:02.600 --> 1:57:06.240 They had a whole open episode about y'all, like that's amazing. Yeah, 1:57:06.240 --> 1:57:07.560 I mean they brought on the. 1:57:09.640 --> 1:57:14.480 Girls, and there was there was a rumor, like I 1:57:14.560 --> 1:57:16.200 guess a year or so ago that bt. 1:57:16.400 --> 1:57:17.520 Cut was coming back. 1:57:19.000 --> 1:57:24.720 April Fool's joke, but split between people who are like, ah, 1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:27.480 that's very funny, people like I can't believe way back. 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:30.960 But wait, wait, wait the way cable television is now 1:57:31.440 --> 1:57:37.600 actually because I mean like the Fax and A, A 1:57:37.760 --> 1:57:44.000 and E are being very, very more relaxed about language nudity. 1:57:45.880 --> 1:57:47.600 It would never work because you get it online right now. 1:57:47.640 --> 1:57:49.400 That's that's the only reason it would never work. It's 1:57:49.400 --> 1:57:50.600 it's available everywhere. 1:57:50.720 --> 1:57:50.840 Now. 1:57:51.200 --> 1:57:54.440 That's that's the that's the you know, it wouldn't be 1:57:54.480 --> 1:57:56.800 a surprise now, it wouldn't be a shock now if 1:57:56.840 --> 1:57:58.400 it were on, But it just wouldn't rate well. 1:57:58.520 --> 1:57:59.080 And that's the thing. 1:57:59.320 --> 1:58:03.040 Look, bet Uncut was created because there were all these 1:58:03.120 --> 1:58:06.480 videos we were editing, and and again I come from 1:58:06.560 --> 1:58:10.960 place on I want people's artistics. They're right, I don't 1:58:10.960 --> 1:58:11.960 know if the laughter is about them. 1:58:12.080 --> 1:58:15.160 No, No, I'm thinking about you because I had a 1:58:15.240 --> 1:58:17.480 vision in my head of you editing Neddy Nellie's tip 1:58:17.600 --> 1:58:18.080 to video. 1:58:22.560 --> 1:58:26.680 Then we'll come back to Nellie tip. But The idea 1:58:26.800 --> 1:58:28.320 was like, there's all these videos coming, we have to 1:58:28.400 --> 1:58:30.120 edit them so people can watch them during the daytime, 1:58:30.200 --> 1:58:33.520 but you want to say they have artistic, artistic expression, 1:58:33.560 --> 1:58:35.560 and then to your point, like, let's put them on 1:58:35.720 --> 1:58:38.480 later so they're just uncut. Right, this is just it 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:40.080 that you know, we can't put porn on but but 1:58:40.280 --> 1:58:44.200 but but you know, we don't want to. But so 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:48.040 it was for videos that it kind of existed but 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:50.040 in there and we play them in the natural form 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:52.840 during uncut and then the edited form during the day. 1:58:53.200 --> 1:58:58.160 The challenge came when people started making videos for specifically 1:58:58.240 --> 1:59:01.880 for uncut, and so that was the that was the 1:59:01.960 --> 1:59:04.080 challenge that people were like, oh, that's the way we're going. 1:59:04.280 --> 1:59:05.920 We're not even gonna work because everybody wanted to get 1:59:05.920 --> 1:59:08.280 on daytime. People were like, no, worried about daytime. I 1:59:08.440 --> 1:59:11.280 just want to get on cut and uncut was it whatever, 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:13.440 it was a rating success, it was a rating. It 1:59:13.680 --> 1:59:22.040 was it happened. That was great. But so Chip Drill 1:59:22.120 --> 1:59:23.400 is the one that looks at as the is the 1:59:23.480 --> 1:59:25.640 video that was kind of made for uncut and it 1:59:25.760 --> 1:59:27.760 and it wasn't that kind of that kind. 1:59:27.640 --> 1:59:29.720 Of it was the point. It was. 1:59:32.240 --> 1:59:35.160 But the other point was when I realized how popular 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:37.879 it was. Was on one O six in Park. Peddler 1:59:37.920 --> 1:59:41.320 Bell came on one O six and Park and said, 1:59:41.400 --> 1:59:44.320 my favorite show was B T and cut and we shot. 1:59:44.680 --> 1:59:46.640 We thought she was doing as a joke, and and 1:59:46.960 --> 1:59:48.760 so I forget what she I think she just offered 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:49.680 and said, oh yeah, I watched that. 1:59:50.200 --> 1:59:53.560 My favor what was her favorite? 1:59:53.640 --> 1:59:57.720 Jam favorite? My favorite video is what that thinks about? 2:00:00.040 --> 2:00:02.840 Won't be right back commercial, right back? 2:00:05.880 --> 2:00:09.480 We can get all ages. Man. 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:12.280 That was the Negro Spiritual. I love it from Indiana, 2:00:12.360 --> 2:00:12.960 Thank you very much. 2:00:13.000 --> 2:00:18.040 But I think, you know, people people have criticized BT 2:00:18.120 --> 2:00:21.040 in the past, and I gotta say that when people 2:00:21.080 --> 2:00:22.880 bring up BT, I'll cut them like we took that 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:25.840 off like eight years ago, seven years ago. And usually 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:28.160 when it comes to people that things that people criticize, 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:30.360 it's things that like we're seven or eight years ago. 2:00:30.760 --> 2:00:32.960 So it's telling you know. You know, I think people 2:00:33.000 --> 2:00:34.800 who watch it now and that may be when people 2:00:34.840 --> 2:00:36.520 checked out, so I don't I don't follow them. If 2:00:36.560 --> 2:00:39.120 you check out at a certain time, then that's you know, 2:00:39.360 --> 2:00:40.840 I checked out a radio twenty years ago. I still 2:00:40.880 --> 2:00:42.840 think I can play whatever I want to and. 2:00:42.920 --> 2:00:45.080 Y'all diversified too, So now I don't have to watch 2:00:45.160 --> 2:00:47.480 Bett proper. I can watch BT jams. 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:49.640 Or if you want videos, you've got we got them. 2:00:49.800 --> 2:00:51.280 You know, if you want you hip hop, you want 2:00:51.320 --> 2:00:54.320 BET jams. You got your soul for BT soul. Black 2:00:54.400 --> 2:00:56.480 woman who got the black got Centric? 2:00:56.760 --> 2:00:58.920 Congratulations about can you can we just have a moment 2:00:58.960 --> 2:01:02.800 for Centric when you just I'm guessing when you decided 2:01:02.840 --> 2:01:05.600 to really make it the Black Woman Channel, Like that's 2:01:05.640 --> 2:01:06.240 it's only. 2:01:06.120 --> 2:01:08.440 Like a year ago that y'all did a year and 2:01:08.480 --> 2:01:09.000 a half, year and. 2:01:09.000 --> 2:01:10.400 A half fantastic campaign. 2:01:11.000 --> 2:01:11.160 Yeah. 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:13.000 No, I try to get a job there, auditioned and everything, 2:01:13.040 --> 2:01:16.200 but that's a whole other thing. But I want to 2:01:16.280 --> 2:01:20.320 hear now you're here and now I'm here, thank you, mister. 2:01:22.160 --> 2:01:23.280 But why but explain? 2:01:23.680 --> 2:01:26.720 I mean, you know, because because there's no there's no 2:01:26.880 --> 2:01:33.200 other entity out there really focused on black women exclusively. Right. 2:01:33.280 --> 2:01:35.480 So the point is for Centric is whenever you go 2:01:35.560 --> 2:01:37.640 to Centric, no matter what time of day it is, 2:01:37.680 --> 2:01:39.360 no matter when it is, if you're a black woman, 2:01:39.360 --> 2:01:40.760 You're going to go go there and find something that 2:01:41.160 --> 2:01:44.080 appeals to you. And while there's other shows on different channels, 2:01:44.200 --> 2:01:46.000 you know, every once in a while, like you go 2:01:46.080 --> 2:01:48.200 to Centric and you're gonna find that hopefully twenty four 2:01:48.240 --> 2:01:50.000 hours a day. That's the that's the goal behind Centric. 2:01:50.200 --> 2:01:52.480 I appreciate that. I'm glad y'all made to switch. 2:01:53.080 --> 2:01:56.000 So you know, anybody who's who you know, bashes bat 2:01:56.080 --> 2:02:01.680 I think or or criticizes. I love criticism. I want 2:02:01.680 --> 2:02:05.240 to be clear, like honest criticism. You you get sharper, 2:02:05.280 --> 2:02:06.400 you understand what people folks. 2:02:06.800 --> 2:02:07.240 I love that. 2:02:07.480 --> 2:02:09.560 But if it's from eight or seven years ago, seven 2:02:09.560 --> 2:02:11.080 eight years ago, I'm just like, well watch it now. 2:02:11.120 --> 2:02:12.800 If you still have the same criticism, let me know. 2:02:13.280 --> 2:02:14.520 I'm gonna say I used to be one of the 2:02:14.560 --> 2:02:18.680 heavy criticizers of BET still I'm but I've started watching 2:02:18.720 --> 2:02:22.760 a lot more recently because I got cable again and gradulations, Yeah, 2:02:22.760 --> 2:02:23.040 thank you. 2:02:25.360 --> 2:02:26.320 Pretty much. I got a job. 2:02:27.080 --> 2:02:28.880 The programming definitely has changed quite a bit, and I 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:32.040 think the big difference is just the music videos aren't there, 2:02:32.040 --> 2:02:34.360 and I think that actually might have made the channel better. 2:02:34.560 --> 2:02:39.560 Well if you don't, yeah, that's hard, that's hard. That 2:02:39.600 --> 2:02:40.720 wasn't a question, So I don't feel like. 2:02:45.320 --> 2:02:46.720 That was called gotcha compliments. 2:02:48.000 --> 2:02:50.080 I'm saying that because you know, you would turn on 2:02:50.160 --> 2:02:52.280 BT all times a day and it was just almost 2:02:52.320 --> 2:02:53.440 always all music video. 2:02:53.920 --> 2:02:56.320 So now there's a lot more variety of you know, 2:02:56.440 --> 2:02:58.280 I don't want to listen to music all the day, 2:02:58.320 --> 2:03:00.240 you know, so you know I can turn on Catch 2:03:00.240 --> 2:03:01.160 the House, Painting Run. 2:03:02.160 --> 2:03:04.680 Yeah, and two I think too. It was something to 2:03:04.760 --> 2:03:06.720 be said, you know, like a Buddy Man, you know, 2:03:06.800 --> 2:03:08.880 we were talking. He has the theory of like how 2:03:09.120 --> 2:03:11.280 you kind of just grow out of things, right, So 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:14.400 it's it's a funny thing with BT where it was 2:03:14.520 --> 2:03:16.480 for me. It was a thing where when I was 2:03:16.560 --> 2:03:20.200 a kid, I watched BT like all day like that 2:03:20.400 --> 2:03:23.840 was I mean, I was Rap City Video, LP Video, 2:03:23.920 --> 2:03:28.160 Vibrations Midnight like our screen scene, screen scene, Oh my god, 2:03:28.240 --> 2:03:31.200 I was yeah, screen I don't want to even take 2:03:31.240 --> 2:03:34.040 it back for you remember telling me something good was 2:03:34.080 --> 2:03:36.400 that it was a game show. 2:03:36.680 --> 2:03:39.000 It was a game show where people would call in. 2:03:39.760 --> 2:03:44.480 You know I missed that. Yes, this was like eighty 2:03:44.680 --> 2:03:48.360 seven eighty talking about this is this is late. 2:03:48.480 --> 2:03:49.680 I'm passing Angel Stripling. 2:03:51.160 --> 2:03:52.240 This is Angel Stripling years. 2:03:52.800 --> 2:03:57.080 Yeah, Robin Breeden, who was back on the radio, the 2:03:57.200 --> 2:03:58.200 radio they would show. 2:03:58.520 --> 2:04:02.400 The reruns of the show Desmonds, there's the Jamaican I 2:04:02.480 --> 2:04:07.640 have like four seasons, but it's syndicated, some of it's 2:04:07.640 --> 2:04:08.160 on DVDs. 2:04:08.240 --> 2:04:09.920 So yeah, it was. Yeah, it was from back in 2:04:09.960 --> 2:04:10.240 the day. 2:04:10.600 --> 2:04:12.040 But I will watch it as a kid, and like 2:04:12.120 --> 2:04:14.040 that was all I would do. But then it got 2:04:14.080 --> 2:04:16.280 to a point where I kind of just grew out 2:04:16.320 --> 2:04:18.720 of it, you know what I'm saying. But now as 2:04:18.800 --> 2:04:21.240 an adult, like in my you know, thirties, you know 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:24.200 what I'm saying. Now I watch it again, so it's 2:04:24.240 --> 2:04:26.560 like there's content for me there. But it was just 2:04:26.640 --> 2:04:29.080 that middle fund, that funny part like kunting in your twenties, 2:04:29.600 --> 2:04:31.960 where it kind of it kind of lost me. Maybe 2:04:31.960 --> 2:04:34.600 it's kind of us just growing out of it and 2:04:35.400 --> 2:04:36.200 you know just what he just. 2:04:36.200 --> 2:04:37.880 Said, growing up. But then you. 2:04:39.640 --> 2:04:41.360 Is it because your video has never really played on 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:42.960 there too, Orna, I didn't. 2:04:43.080 --> 2:04:44.600 I won't want to watch the ship just to watch, 2:04:46.080 --> 2:04:50.960 you know, I don't. I don't have any regrets of 2:04:51.080 --> 2:04:55.280 the Tortoise in the Hair Journey only because, like you know, 2:04:55.640 --> 2:04:58.800 I look at all my peers that did get instant 2:04:58.920 --> 2:05:00.760 rotation love and they're kind of on the side of 2:05:00.800 --> 2:05:02.880 the road, broken down vehicles. 2:05:02.840 --> 2:05:07.200 And it's about. 2:05:06.480 --> 2:05:10.760 The longest admire Well yeah, yeah, the the your your 2:05:11.000 --> 2:05:15.520 your your, your childlike enthusiasm for uh music when I 2:05:15.560 --> 2:05:17.640 see you in concerts and everything, all that stuff. But 2:05:19.160 --> 2:05:27.760 having witnessed you at several BT Awards, I wonder how 2:05:27.880 --> 2:05:32.520 you keep so cool, especially this year. Now, hold on this. 2:05:32.760 --> 2:05:34.800 I was I was randomly on Facebook the other day 2:05:34.840 --> 2:05:38.320 and somebody posted a video of Actually the Jackson's posted 2:05:38.360 --> 2:05:41.920 a video of their performance at the their final performance 2:05:42.240 --> 2:05:43.920 at Michael's fiftieth anniversary thing. 2:05:45.080 --> 2:05:48.280 And halfway halfway way through, halfway through, there is the 2:05:48.440 --> 2:05:49.640 clearest day shot of. 2:05:49.680 --> 2:05:52.840 Stephen Hill just going crazy in the crowd. 2:05:53.160 --> 2:05:53.880 I remember that one. 2:05:54.040 --> 2:05:56.400 Yeah, I mean I always know you are because you're 2:05:56.440 --> 2:05:59.160 the most enthusiastic audience member ever. 2:05:59.320 --> 2:05:59.800 It's true. 2:06:00.080 --> 2:06:02.960 But okay, now this is where the suit and me 2:06:03.320 --> 2:06:07.640 wants to know. Like, when you're at the BET Awards, 2:06:08.480 --> 2:06:12.240 I would be losing my mind every second only because 2:06:12.320 --> 2:06:17.120 it's like it's such a down to the wire. Is 2:06:17.200 --> 2:06:19.160 this going to work? Is this not going to work? 2:06:19.160 --> 2:06:22.240 Because you know you can't be there as a fan 2:06:22.520 --> 2:06:26.080 watching this this performance. You have to trust in your director, 2:06:26.160 --> 2:06:28.120 You have to trust in the creative people. You have 2:06:28.200 --> 2:06:30.600 to trust the talent. I mean, do you not have 2:06:30.760 --> 2:06:33.680 anxiety on whether or not blah blah blah made their 2:06:33.720 --> 2:06:36.800 plan or not, or if there's a Plan B or 2:06:36.960 --> 2:06:39.320 Plan C, or you know, we got to cut this 2:06:39.440 --> 2:06:40.960 part of the show. We have to edit that part 2:06:41.040 --> 2:06:43.400 of the show. Like just the things that I now 2:06:43.600 --> 2:06:49.920 know in television production that drive proprietors and bosses crazy. 2:06:50.880 --> 2:06:52.520 You never have that on your face. 2:06:52.600 --> 2:06:57.240 But I know for this year, anybody, anybody, anybody who 2:06:57.320 --> 2:06:59.400 works with me or who's hearing this is like, perhaps 2:06:59.480 --> 2:07:01.320 he doesn't know who Stephen Hill is. Maybe he's looking 2:07:01.320 --> 2:07:02.280 at somebody else's face. 2:07:02.400 --> 2:07:07.320 No, no, because it's always it's always poker face time. 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:11.720 Now for instance, now this year with the with the 2:07:12.160 --> 2:07:19.400 passing of our king, mister Hill, you you took a 2:07:19.640 --> 2:07:22.800 very no, I mean you took a very bold stance 2:07:23.000 --> 2:07:27.440 with the tweet. That was the best thing. Yeah, yeah, 2:07:28.320 --> 2:07:31.800 the shade. But here's the thing. 2:07:32.440 --> 2:07:33.480 Mirror was on stage. 2:07:34.080 --> 2:07:38.120 You know, he was off, he had cleared the stage. 2:07:38.600 --> 2:07:42.000 And the way you insinuated that, I just meant it wasn't. 2:07:43.520 --> 2:07:46.840 I wasn't on stage with them. I introduced them, And 2:07:47.960 --> 2:07:50.680 can we not say what this is in regards to oh, 2:07:50.760 --> 2:07:51.400 are we allowed to? 2:07:51.680 --> 2:07:52.000 I don't know. 2:07:52.000 --> 2:07:52.520 I'm asking you. 2:07:52.680 --> 2:07:54.560 It's in the past, isn't. 2:07:54.320 --> 2:07:58.800 It because he's my manager. No, we're referring to the 2:07:59.320 --> 2:08:01.720 Madonna performance. 2:08:02.080 --> 2:08:05.560 Of perform Stevie. Can I clear something up. I wasn't 2:08:05.560 --> 2:08:07.960 talking about the Madonna No no, no, no no no 2:08:08.040 --> 2:08:09.640 no no no, no, no, no no. What I was 2:08:09.720 --> 2:08:13.840 talking about is if you're going to you're gonna be 2:08:13.880 --> 2:08:15.520 really honest about it, if you're gonna, if you're gonna 2:08:15.680 --> 2:08:21.760 tribute Prince, if Madonna had been, I'm gonna give myself 2:08:21.800 --> 2:08:28.400 in trouble if Madonna had her tribute. But it would 2:08:28.400 --> 2:08:31.720 be awesome to have someone else cover another aspect and 2:08:31.840 --> 2:08:34.000 has to have someone else cover another aspect. 2:08:34.240 --> 2:08:35.960 Okay, now here's this thing that's so so. 2:08:36.160 --> 2:08:39.320 So people took it it was me against another person. 2:08:40.200 --> 2:08:42.400 It was just like as a tribute as a whole 2:08:42.960 --> 2:08:44.680 we got you. It was it was it was really 2:08:44.800 --> 2:08:47.160 like I did. That's that's how that came out. 2:08:47.240 --> 2:08:49.560 I didn't take I didn't take your tweet as something 2:08:49.600 --> 2:08:53.120 to Madonna or Stevie, but I understood where you were going. 2:08:53.200 --> 2:08:57.240 But here's the thing, though, and you know, I know 2:08:57.400 --> 2:09:02.879 the timing was Uncan you know Prince well in the audience? 2:09:03.000 --> 2:09:05.720 You know Prince well? You know what I mean, you 2:09:05.960 --> 2:09:12.600 know his music well? And being as though it's slim 2:09:12.680 --> 2:09:18.000 Pickens out there, when you said we got you, I 2:09:18.280 --> 2:09:24.080 instantly got worried because it was like, Wow, okay, now 2:09:24.160 --> 2:09:29.760 the pressure's on and everybody is betting on Black and 2:09:29.880 --> 2:09:34.880 now all I'm thinking is who who do you have 2:09:35.080 --> 2:09:41.200 in mind that can even come close to what Prince 2:09:41.440 --> 2:09:43.320 really means? Fourth letter of the alphabet. 2:09:43.480 --> 2:09:49.360 In nineteen sixty one or sixty two, John F. Kennedy 2:09:49.400 --> 2:09:52.800 went to Rice University gave a speech said, guess what, 2:09:53.160 --> 2:09:57.560 by the end of this decade, We're gonna put a 2:09:57.640 --> 2:09:58.280 man on the moon. 2:09:59.040 --> 2:09:59.880 Cheer. Oh yeah yeah. 2:10:00.440 --> 2:10:05.120 People at NASA were like, what, we don't have the technology, 2:10:05.480 --> 2:10:07.760 we don't have the capability, we don't have the people. 2:10:07.800 --> 2:10:10.440 We cannot get a man on the moon by by 2:10:10.560 --> 2:10:13.920 by by sixty nine. But sure enough, in faith and 2:10:14.080 --> 2:10:17.640 like you believe in your people, that that happened. I 2:10:17.760 --> 2:10:22.000 had a feeling that you would be No, no, no, 2:10:22.160 --> 2:10:23.880 I had a feel no, I had a feeling that 2:10:24.040 --> 2:10:24.840 you'd be on board. 2:10:25.880 --> 2:10:27.680 That's that's that's the we all had that feeling. 2:10:27.800 --> 2:10:29.560 That's the that's the and that was the that was 2:10:29.640 --> 2:10:33.080 the that's the foundation. I'm serious, that's true. The foundation 2:10:33.360 --> 2:10:35.720 was was that I had a feeling that some other 2:10:35.800 --> 2:10:39.480 people would come on board, and with our knowledge and 2:10:39.600 --> 2:10:43.160 our respect for that guy and knowing how much our 2:10:43.160 --> 2:10:44.920 audience was going to want it, I just we just 2:10:45.720 --> 2:10:47.480 we didn't have the tools at the time, but we 2:10:47.600 --> 2:10:51.000 knew what we knew that it existed, right, and so 2:10:52.760 --> 2:10:55.040 Janelle we knew would be on board. Right. We knew 2:10:55.120 --> 2:10:56.160 Janelle would be on board. 2:10:56.240 --> 2:10:57.840 So are you saying none of these people working firm? 2:10:57.880 --> 2:11:00.720 When you said no, no, no, no, no, no, nobody 2:11:00.800 --> 2:11:01.240 was confirmed. 2:11:02.000 --> 2:11:03.360 No, we. 2:11:05.240 --> 2:11:06.800 Had our first conversation. No we you were. 2:11:07.040 --> 2:11:11.000 It wasn't even board. But the thing was when he 2:11:11.120 --> 2:11:15.040 did that, I just I sat in my room for 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:17.800 like almost two days, like I was like wow, Like 2:11:18.520 --> 2:11:20.680 you just thought you weren't asked who? No, no, no, 2:11:20.840 --> 2:11:22.000 I knew I was going to be part of it. 2:11:22.880 --> 2:11:26.280 I instantly got an m D mode, which was like who. 2:11:27.560 --> 2:11:31.320 Because the thing is is that the people that I 2:11:31.480 --> 2:11:36.600 feel that are close to Prince's talent aren't names. And 2:11:36.800 --> 2:11:40.280 as a suit, the suit in me was like, who 2:11:40.440 --> 2:11:47.360 has a name that will really bring him justice? He 2:11:47.520 --> 2:11:51.280 was just so obvious, right, But it was itself. It 2:11:51.400 --> 2:11:53.800 was a risky all right. When I brought the laud 2:11:53.880 --> 2:11:56.240 to it was. I didn't bring him to you personally, 2:11:56.320 --> 2:11:59.680 but I brought him to the producers and everything. But 2:12:00.960 --> 2:12:04.120 was it a Okay, he's going to hit out the 2:12:04.200 --> 2:12:06.040 park or was it a I don't know if our 2:12:06.080 --> 2:12:07.640 audience is ready for him yet, or. 2:12:09.560 --> 2:12:12.320 Like, what what are you thinking in your head as 2:12:14.000 --> 2:12:15.360 we're bringing this? How okay? 2:12:16.040 --> 2:12:18.000 And Dangelo was a part of this? 2:12:18.080 --> 2:12:19.800 Okay, how how deep do you. 2:12:19.840 --> 2:12:22.560 Want to forgot? Oh, let's let's talk about it. Okay, 2:12:22.760 --> 2:12:23.640 we're good, We're good. 2:12:24.360 --> 2:12:29.720 Sure, yeah, okay, that's why we had we had, we had, 2:12:29.800 --> 2:12:32.400 we had, we had, we had wed, and so Danzel 2:12:32.400 --> 2:12:34.960 couldn't couldn't make it. And so there was I remember 2:12:35.000 --> 2:12:36.560 exactly where it was. We were on the phone having 2:12:36.640 --> 2:12:39.640 this call. Let me let me, let me, let me 2:12:39.840 --> 2:12:42.120 let me back up. I love that John F. Kennedy 2:12:42.200 --> 2:12:43.800 story because it's just a story of faith and a 2:12:43.960 --> 2:12:46.760 sort of desire and like, if you can get people together, 2:12:46.920 --> 2:12:48.840 you can go towards that goal. And I knew enough 2:12:48.920 --> 2:12:51.240 people loved Prince that we would be able to go 2:12:51.320 --> 2:12:53.760 towards that goal, and and the Prince was the star. 2:12:53.880 --> 2:12:57.360 Faith versus science. By the way, fair enough, now I'm thinking. 2:12:57.160 --> 2:13:00.560 Of calculations or or believing that the science exists. We 2:13:00.680 --> 2:13:03.120 just haven't found it yet, right, right, And that's what 2:13:03.200 --> 2:13:05.520 it was. That's exactly what that was. I'm glad you 2:13:05.520 --> 2:13:07.160 phrased it that way. It was having the faith that 2:13:07.280 --> 2:13:09.920 the science is going to follow that faith, right, And 2:13:10.000 --> 2:13:12.360 that's exactly what this was with with with the Prince thing. 2:13:12.640 --> 2:13:15.360 But knowing that you were on board, I'm not true. 2:13:15.480 --> 2:13:19.400 Was it was a big part of the foundation and 2:13:19.560 --> 2:13:22.000 that Prince was the star and that we knew. 2:13:26.160 --> 2:13:26.200 You. 2:13:27.440 --> 2:13:29.160 No, I'm not picking my words. It's just it's just 2:13:29.440 --> 2:13:33.960 watch happy, happy, and I'll say this now a happy accident. Look, 2:13:34.120 --> 2:13:37.880 the tweet was we had a feeling that that it 2:13:38.000 --> 2:13:39.960 was going to be that the that the that that 2:13:40.320 --> 2:13:42.440 tribute was going to be was not going to be fulfilling. 2:13:42.600 --> 2:13:44.120 It was not going to fulfill all the things that 2:13:44.160 --> 2:13:47.160 you want around that. So we thought that maybe to 2:13:47.200 --> 2:13:49.360 get a little air press. Prince is the star, and 2:13:49.440 --> 2:13:52.440 now you just got to find people who love and 2:13:52.520 --> 2:13:54.480 respect them enough to pull off the to pull it off, 2:13:54.520 --> 2:13:55.800 they don't have to be that. They don't have to 2:13:55.840 --> 2:13:57.840 be We didn't need the biggest names in the world, right, 2:13:58.000 --> 2:14:00.720 we need the people who respected their music. We started 2:14:00.760 --> 2:14:03.760 that tribute with and I love that people picked up 2:14:03.800 --> 2:14:08.480 on it. We started that tribute with Ballad of Dorothy Parker, right. 2:14:08.560 --> 2:14:10.120 Which is as an album. 2:14:10.160 --> 2:14:13.480 It's an album. It's a deep album cut. There wasn't 2:14:13.480 --> 2:14:16.000 any history onics around it, like Erica just saying, sat 2:14:16.040 --> 2:14:18.120 there and did it. Because we were setting like, Okay, 2:14:18.160 --> 2:14:19.720 this is going to be a Prince View for real, 2:14:19.960 --> 2:14:22.000 this is for real Prince fans, but we're still going 2:14:22.080 --> 2:14:25.360 to get deliver you top notch talent. And you were 2:14:25.360 --> 2:14:27.360 the person who I never thought of it before. You know, 2:14:27.400 --> 2:14:29.160 it's just one long verse. There's no curve. There's just 2:14:30.000 --> 2:14:31.800 that's the thing. By the way, Well you said that, 2:14:31.840 --> 2:14:33.720 I was like, I had known this song for freaking 2:14:33.840 --> 2:14:36.120 thirty years and I've never thought about that. It's just 2:14:36.200 --> 2:14:36.760 one long verse. 2:14:36.880 --> 2:14:38.680 I was the suit and he was the greated one. 2:14:38.840 --> 2:14:41.120 Because when they said yeah, let's do Ballad Dorothy Parker, 2:14:41.120 --> 2:14:44.240 I'm like, wait, there's no hook to it. Yeah, what 2:14:44.400 --> 2:14:46.000 part do I take you guys won't let me do 2:14:46.080 --> 2:14:49.080 three minutes. I know, like I'm instantly thinking in suit 2:14:49.600 --> 2:14:53.000 television producer mode and not in creative mood. So it 2:14:53.120 --> 2:14:55.600 was just but you were so cool about it. 2:14:55.680 --> 2:14:57.400 Like break the rules for that one. And then and 2:14:57.480 --> 2:15:02.160 then once once was the Angelo left out. We actually, 2:15:02.240 --> 2:15:04.200 if I remember correct, we we both came to blow 2:15:04.280 --> 2:15:06.480 independently and we're surprised that the other one was going 2:15:06.520 --> 2:15:07.040 to co coke. 2:15:07.080 --> 2:15:09.680 It was I was shocked that you were going to 2:15:09.800 --> 2:15:11.840 let me do it, and you were like. 2:15:13.800 --> 2:15:15.720 Great, And is that what a revolution took the league 2:15:15.720 --> 2:15:17.960 because ever since then has been doing like gigs. 2:15:18.120 --> 2:15:19.400 Oh no, No, we knew that, we knew that was 2:15:19.400 --> 2:15:19.840 gonna change it. 2:15:20.720 --> 2:15:24.280 We knew the second that happened. Then every member of 2:15:24.320 --> 2:15:28.240 the revolution, uh minus Brown Mark Uh hit me up 2:15:28.360 --> 2:15:29.000 and was just like. 2:15:29.240 --> 2:15:31.080 That was dope, thank you for that. 2:15:31.400 --> 2:15:35.080 And I felt like super justified and at least like 2:15:37.360 --> 2:15:38.480 I don't I don't want to say it like I 2:15:38.560 --> 2:15:40.840 wanted to dodge the bullet. I wanted to hit the target. 2:15:41.360 --> 2:15:44.120 But y'all felt the whole country go yes, yes, yes, 2:15:44.320 --> 2:15:44.560 but it. 2:15:44.640 --> 2:15:47.640 Was risky because the thing is is like I'd rather 2:15:47.920 --> 2:15:51.640 in my mind, I would have rather done non popular 2:15:52.520 --> 2:15:55.400 print standards so that I wouldn't get judged, Like it's 2:15:55.440 --> 2:16:00.160 hard for you to have an opinion about slow love of. 2:16:01.240 --> 2:16:06.760 Or just stop trying to impress the orders the Prince 2:16:06.880 --> 2:16:09.120 orger people man not even I. 2:16:09.200 --> 2:16:12.680 Mean, but yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean, but I 2:16:12.760 --> 2:16:15.280 think it's harder if you just say, all right when 2:16:15.320 --> 2:16:18.320 doves cry in nineteen ninety nine, like I felt more 2:16:18.440 --> 2:16:20.880 for Shila than anything because she was going for. 2:16:22.520 --> 2:16:23.000 The hits. 2:16:23.120 --> 2:16:24.600 She was going for the Juggernauts, so. 2:16:25.720 --> 2:16:28.960 She and Janel and Janel put that. I thought she 2:16:29.080 --> 2:16:32.400 put great artistry and great show personship to it as well, 2:16:33.040 --> 2:16:36.000 uh with costumes and danced across the stage and you know, 2:16:36.680 --> 2:16:41.800 it's great music performed by it, like when Blaud did 2:16:41.959 --> 2:16:45.560 Beautiful Ones and got down on that floor like we 2:16:45.680 --> 2:16:47.680 knew vocally, well you know what. 2:16:47.680 --> 2:16:49.600 I really, you knew it, but America didn't know. 2:16:49.640 --> 2:16:51.840 America didn't know. Yes, but but but but And that's 2:16:52.040 --> 2:16:54.280 the point of the cool thing is we talk about 2:16:54.320 --> 2:16:56.440 exposing new artists like he's not a new artist, but 2:16:56.600 --> 2:16:59.680 like people understood who he was that night, right the 2:16:59.720 --> 2:17:02.360 same way you know Candley the year before it was 2:17:02.400 --> 2:17:05.080 Tory Kelly. Tory Kelly was the one no one knew 2:17:05.120 --> 2:17:06.640 and then she stepped out to sing Who's Loving You 2:17:06.720 --> 2:17:07.840 were like, oh got it? 2:17:08.200 --> 2:17:08.280 Yo? 2:17:08.440 --> 2:17:10.039 Is it getting more challenging because you know, the one 2:17:10.080 --> 2:17:11.480 of the things that people look forward to with the 2:17:11.560 --> 2:17:15.720 BET Awards are the tributes, not so you have pretty 2:17:15.760 --> 2:17:18.440 much like I mean, I just remember the year you 2:17:18.520 --> 2:17:24.160 had Alexander O'Neill come out with Sharrel. Is it getting 2:17:24.240 --> 2:17:27.000 more challenging or is it getting more fun? Or is 2:17:27.000 --> 2:17:28.800 it more Is it combo of both trying to decide 2:17:28.879 --> 2:17:30.880 who are you gonna do and then who's going to sing? 2:17:31.120 --> 2:17:33.240 It's always fun, It's always fun. It gets a little 2:17:33.240 --> 2:17:34.840 more challenging. We love the you know, we love the 2:17:34.879 --> 2:17:36.000 reunions get. 2:17:36.040 --> 2:17:38.160 But surely you're planning it now, Like how far in 2:17:38.200 --> 2:17:41.600 advance do you you have to plan seven months in the. 2:17:41.680 --> 2:17:44.920 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's conversations being had already. 2:17:45.080 --> 2:17:45.840 Here's here's a good idea. 2:17:45.840 --> 2:17:47.879 I'm gonna give away the biggest secret more than anything else, 2:17:47.920 --> 2:17:49.480 more than anything else on that show you know what 2:17:49.560 --> 2:17:52.360 you Know? And we mentioned him earlier or a member 2:17:52.400 --> 2:17:55.360 of the band earlier. Uh, in this conversation I'm gonna 2:17:55.400 --> 2:17:56.760 get Tony Tony Tony back together. 2:17:58.280 --> 2:17:58.760 It's the thing. 2:17:58.840 --> 2:18:00.600 It's the thing. It's please the thing. 2:18:01.200 --> 2:18:01.720 It's the thing. 2:18:02.240 --> 2:18:05.520 It's not worked out yet, and I don't give away secrets, 2:18:05.640 --> 2:18:07.440 but but if if anybody out there, if you can 2:18:07.440 --> 2:18:09.320 get Tony to help me get Tony Tony Tony together, 2:18:10.200 --> 2:18:12.800 I'm all the way, all the way. I want to 2:18:12.800 --> 2:18:13.640 pick the set list too. 2:18:15.360 --> 2:18:16.840 Is that it you got? Like you got three of those? 2:18:16.879 --> 2:18:16.920 Like? 2:18:17.000 --> 2:18:18.040 Is it Tony Tony Tony? 2:18:18.120 --> 2:18:19.640 Is it gonna play my ex girlfriend? 2:18:21.000 --> 2:18:30.199 Oh my god, girl friend, it's a whole Sorry, Steve, 2:18:30.200 --> 2:18:34.840 you have to be there. Wait a minute, you don't 2:18:34.879 --> 2:18:35.080 know that? 2:18:35.560 --> 2:18:35.920 Is that before? 2:18:36.160 --> 2:18:36.360 Walter? 2:18:36.800 --> 2:18:40.200 That was so oh yeah, no, I know you didn't 2:18:40.240 --> 2:18:40.680 just look at. 2:18:40.600 --> 2:18:40.840 Me like that. 2:18:41.280 --> 2:18:43.520 That was that was the album with Anniversary. I know 2:18:43.600 --> 2:18:44.119 you know that one. 2:18:44.360 --> 2:18:47.000 Do you gotta play me with the single yoke? 2:18:47.879 --> 2:18:51.359 Because she was six years old when it came out sixteen. 2:18:52.680 --> 2:18:55.800 But I know all the Lucy Pearl album. I'm just joking. 2:18:55.879 --> 2:18:58.360 That's a joke. I'm just I'm I said, hey, little 2:18:58.360 --> 2:19:00.320 Walter jail, give. 2:19:00.160 --> 2:19:04.120 Me some credit. Joke if anything, or who else would 2:19:04.160 --> 2:19:08.080 you like to reunite? Is it too? Way for Ready 2:19:08.120 --> 2:19:08.520 for the World. 2:19:10.440 --> 2:19:15.640 Yes, that sight like ready for the World with like surface. 2:19:15.840 --> 2:19:19.280 Well it's gonna be the thirtieth anniversary of New Jack Swing, 2:19:19.440 --> 2:19:21.320 so I would imagine. 2:19:20.879 --> 2:19:23.039 Can we talk about New Jack Swing for a second. Yeah, 2:19:23.120 --> 2:19:25.320 let's do it, because I feel like the John or 2:19:25.520 --> 2:19:27.320 that period of music has been. 2:19:28.920 --> 2:19:32.760 Sorely overlooked. I think it was something that you had 2:19:32.800 --> 2:19:35.880 to be there for. Like it's a hard sell to 2:19:36.000 --> 2:19:38.280 people in twenty sixteen, you know what I'm saying. 2:19:38.280 --> 2:19:41.680 Because the music was great, but like I mean, it 2:19:41.800 --> 2:19:43.640 was kind of hockey, you know what I mean it now, 2:19:43.959 --> 2:19:46.200 like listen to the baselines and the drum program like 2:19:46.280 --> 2:19:50.320 I mean, like for example, like the Foreign Exchange, the 2:19:50.480 --> 2:19:52.279 cover we did of Steve on the If She Brickshard. 2:19:52.680 --> 2:19:53.920 One of the main reasons why I wanted to do 2:19:54.000 --> 2:19:55.959 that song was because I thought it was a great song. 2:19:56.200 --> 2:19:59.200 Took the New Jackie out. Yeah just take the Chunkle Fever, 2:19:59.680 --> 2:19:59.840 you know. 2:20:00.760 --> 2:20:03.600 But those are great songs, but just the production of 2:20:03.680 --> 2:20:06.680 the time, it you know, it didn't serve them well, 2:20:07.080 --> 2:20:08.080 didn't It didn't age well? 2:20:08.240 --> 2:20:11.160 Side note. Yeah, that's the one thing I big from 2:20:11.320 --> 2:20:14.920 Stevie Wonder's people like can I have the masters to 2:20:15.480 --> 2:20:19.160 Jungle Peole, just so I can take the drums away 2:20:20.120 --> 2:20:22.680 and put what I think he would do in nineteen 2:20:22.720 --> 2:20:23.480 seventy three to it. 2:20:24.520 --> 2:20:27.120 Lighting up the candles could be God lighting up the 2:20:27.160 --> 2:20:28.680 candles without jack drums. 2:20:28.879 --> 2:20:34.040 Yeah, like all so effect get back together. We could 2:20:34.120 --> 2:20:36.080 just make the new Jack swings we got. 2:20:36.160 --> 2:20:37.680 We got them back together for the soul train wars 2:20:37.680 --> 2:20:40.359 a little while. Yeah, we didnt make for the soul trains. 2:20:40.520 --> 2:20:43.320 How do you determine what soul train will get versus? 2:20:43.520 --> 2:20:43.560 What? 2:20:43.920 --> 2:20:47.640 Very good, very good question? It's a very good And 2:20:47.720 --> 2:20:49.440 what is your Are you allowed to say what your 2:20:49.640 --> 2:20:51.640 your what your baby is, and what your step son. 2:20:51.640 --> 2:20:53.480 Is in terms of war shows? 2:20:53.760 --> 2:20:54.000 Yeah? 2:20:54.160 --> 2:20:56.720 Because then hip Hop Honors is my. 2:20:57.280 --> 2:21:01.480 Favorite, my favorite, I don't mean disrespect my favorite celebration 2:21:01.560 --> 2:21:03.760 of gospel because if you can't sing, don't come. 2:21:03.879 --> 2:21:06.720 Oh wait a minute, I don't come. That was the 2:21:06.760 --> 2:21:07.520 fourth category. 2:21:07.520 --> 2:21:09.800 I wasn't even thinking celebration of gospel. If you can't sing, 2:21:09.840 --> 2:21:10.640 don't come anytime. 2:21:11.040 --> 2:21:14.360 I actually, yo, wait has got well into the room 2:21:14.440 --> 2:21:19.200 where we might lose good singers. I don't know. I 2:21:19.360 --> 2:21:19.880 love God. 2:21:20.160 --> 2:21:24.280 You heard that song? No, it's it's it's it was. 2:21:24.640 --> 2:21:26.080 It was a choice by a good singer to do 2:21:26.160 --> 2:21:28.840 a song that I respect that that's fine, but but 2:21:29.160 --> 2:21:33.039 you gotta sang got celebration of gospel, right, That's that's 2:21:33.320 --> 2:21:34.880 we just called. I just want to call it. Landa 2:21:34.920 --> 2:21:38.520 Adams shown so. But to my eye when when I 2:21:38.840 --> 2:21:41.200 when I see Elanda Adams walk into a room, my 2:21:41.400 --> 2:21:43.240 eyes smile because I know my ears are next. 2:21:44.720 --> 2:21:45.160 She is. 2:21:45.520 --> 2:21:48.000 She just is just a gift to sound. 2:21:48.560 --> 2:21:53.840 So between BT Awards and Soul Train Awards, how do 2:21:53.920 --> 2:21:56.519 you and both of them are your responsibility? 2:21:57.160 --> 2:21:59.040 Yes, but shout out to I'm going to say this 2:21:59.080 --> 2:22:02.600 earlier we all you talked about how to keep calm head. 2:22:02.920 --> 2:22:05.360 We have the best production crew in the business with 2:22:05.440 --> 2:22:10.080 Jesse Collins Entertainment and Janey and Knyie Orlando who oversees 2:22:10.120 --> 2:22:12.400 it for most directly for for for b E T. 2:22:12.959 --> 2:22:14.879 It's just the best in the business. Like so when 2:22:15.000 --> 2:22:16.800 I'm not worried about people missing flights because if they do, 2:22:17.640 --> 2:22:21.240 Jesse will find a way to rends a prop plane 2:22:21.280 --> 2:22:22.040 to go pick him up. 2:22:22.640 --> 2:22:25.280 You got to get a I forgot who he did 2:22:25.320 --> 2:22:27.720 that to, but he told me a story of getting 2:22:27.760 --> 2:22:29.400 someone last minute absolutely. 2:22:30.080 --> 2:22:34.400 They get it private, they get it done. No crop dusters, 2:22:34.440 --> 2:22:37.359 I said, I said properly, I say private, I said, prop. 2:22:38.720 --> 2:22:38.879 Back. 2:22:40.160 --> 2:22:42.080 But soul Training. Here's what trying to do with Soul Train. 2:22:42.120 --> 2:22:45.960 Soul Train is really about it the soul like it's 2:22:46.200 --> 2:22:50.760 it's it's it's pretty hip hop free and it should 2:22:50.800 --> 2:22:52.680 have a groove. That's why I rote. James worked so 2:22:52.760 --> 2:22:55.280 well on it this year. Anderson Pack, who's kind of 2:22:55.360 --> 2:22:59.040 in between, works on it. Una worked on it. Drew Hill, 2:22:59.600 --> 2:23:02.880 We're yep, Eric, I do get it. 2:23:04.240 --> 2:23:05.800 I don't know how Oh my god. 2:23:06.480 --> 2:23:10.000 This year we had Drew Hill. We had a tribute 2:23:10.000 --> 2:23:15.320 to Teddy Riley uh Yuna Rode, James, Eric Bennet because 2:23:15.320 --> 2:23:16.599 that song Sunshine. 2:23:16.240 --> 2:23:16.440 Is just. 2:23:19.040 --> 2:23:24.840 Speaking of which Okay, I kind of know the answers 2:23:24.879 --> 2:23:30.760 since I'm working for them, But is there any chance 2:23:30.840 --> 2:23:36.000 in hell, even if it's not on BT proper for 2:23:36.120 --> 2:23:39.240 you to really develop I want you to develop a 2:23:39.360 --> 2:23:41.400 midlife crisis BT channel for me? 2:23:44.000 --> 2:23:45.680 All right, what are the elements of that show? 2:23:45.959 --> 2:23:50.959 Well, I just I need living single reruns. I mean, yeah, 2:23:50.959 --> 2:23:53.520 I forget the rerun list that we have that's endless, 2:23:54.440 --> 2:23:59.920 but I need the anxiety of eleven fifty eight am 2:24:00.080 --> 2:24:04.080 on a Saturday, No. One in two minutes that the 2:24:04.480 --> 2:24:08.160 Soul Trained animations coming on is one of the most 2:24:08.280 --> 2:24:14.480 thrilling moments of my childhood. And I know twelve occasionally 2:24:14.520 --> 2:24:19.000 twelve sometimes one in the morning, But yeah, I just 2:24:19.840 --> 2:24:25.840 I need a what VH one was to MTV back 2:24:25.879 --> 2:24:27.520 in the eighties, what it was meant to be? Oh 2:24:27.600 --> 2:24:30.720 my god, can you imagine that? Like one time VH one. 2:24:30.920 --> 2:24:34.960 When playing Paul Simon and it was the video Hits 2:24:35.040 --> 2:24:36.640 one was the Chevy Chase video. 2:24:37.560 --> 2:24:39.199 Yeah, the conservative White Guys channel. 2:24:39.280 --> 2:24:41.840 Now it's like, don't worry, be happy all the time. 2:24:42.400 --> 2:24:48.400 That's funny. Yeah, But I just I don't I feel 2:24:48.480 --> 2:24:51.240 like Soul Train and the interests of Soul Trained could 2:24:51.320 --> 2:24:52.440 still have life into it. 2:24:53.440 --> 2:24:56.360 It's possible, And I know you. I knew I was 2:24:56.400 --> 2:24:58.720 not going to escape without having that question answered. But 2:24:59.400 --> 2:25:01.720 it is possible. As you know that b ET and 2:25:01.840 --> 2:25:06.000 Soul Training are joined. Joined. Now, yes, if you need anything, 2:25:06.240 --> 2:25:06.480 let me know. 2:25:06.640 --> 2:25:09.200 So we're talking about new episodes of soulcirating and if 2:25:09.200 --> 2:25:12.080 you're talking about classics, do you stop at them more 2:25:12.160 --> 2:25:13.400 years or where do you stop? 2:25:13.560 --> 2:25:17.160 Soul Trained? To me, is nineteen seventy one to the 2:25:17.240 --> 2:25:20.440 last episode The Commodore's episode of nineteen ninety three, which 2:25:20.520 --> 2:25:23.360 was Don's last show. The Commonists were still around in 2:25:23.440 --> 2:25:23.840 ninety three. 2:25:24.200 --> 2:25:24.879 What was the jog? 2:25:25.040 --> 2:25:30.720 What was their last song? Their last song was I 2:25:30.760 --> 2:25:34.000 Think I'd Locked off Breakouse nineteen ninety Oh it was 2:25:35.320 --> 2:25:37.880 a very don't play it, Please don't play it, No, 2:25:38.040 --> 2:25:40.360 please play it. I've never heard this song. 2:25:40.280 --> 2:25:40.680 On my life. 2:25:40.760 --> 2:25:41.240 You can't find it. 2:25:41.320 --> 2:25:43.280 Just play light Ship please say yeah. 2:25:43.320 --> 2:25:47.120 A by The Commodore was yeah. So I don't. 2:25:47.240 --> 2:25:50.439 I don't mean for my personal collection though I'm talking about. 2:25:50.840 --> 2:25:53.039 I still think there should be a Soul Trained app 2:25:53.200 --> 2:25:55.879 for for Apple TV and Roku and smart till. 2:25:55.879 --> 2:25:59.000 You're exploring all sorts of opportunities with Soul Trained brand 2:25:59.080 --> 2:26:00.720 or do you understand how i it is and how 2:26:00.800 --> 2:26:04.400 much it means to so many people who only experienced it, 2:26:04.920 --> 2:26:07.560 but I just heard about it from their their their 2:26:07.640 --> 2:26:08.359 elder generation. 2:26:08.560 --> 2:26:11.480 So there's there's, you know, nice statement, mister President. 2:26:12.480 --> 2:26:16.400 Unfortunately Don didn't have clearances. 2:26:16.080 --> 2:26:20.000 Or or you know, so there's licensing issues. 2:26:20.200 --> 2:26:22.800 We've been working on it. It's like four years already. 2:26:22.879 --> 2:26:26.160 I think maybe wonder years of Black Television. Maybe like 2:26:26.360 --> 2:26:30.640 three hundred some some episodes have been totally cleared. But 2:26:30.760 --> 2:26:33.760 I think the whole goal is just to have the entire. 2:26:33.879 --> 2:26:37.240 We would be great to have the whole entire catalog cleared. 2:26:37.440 --> 2:26:39.959 But after the Soul Train episode goes off on your 2:26:40.000 --> 2:26:43.080 Midlife Crisis channel, what's what you just I think he 2:26:43.160 --> 2:26:45.000 just wants you just want all soul trained all the time. 2:26:45.040 --> 2:26:45.640 Is that what you're saying? 2:26:45.840 --> 2:26:48.440 Just two episodes of Soul Training a week, that eye 2:26:48.480 --> 2:26:51.039 program and then what else is. 2:26:51.040 --> 2:26:51.560 On the channel? 2:26:51.640 --> 2:26:53.160 Right? What else? Whatever? Y'all want. 2:26:55.800 --> 2:26:59.039 Kung fu flicks and you know, so basically you want 2:26:59.080 --> 2:26:59.920 it to be Bounced TV. 2:27:01.640 --> 2:27:02.680 Oh yeah, but like that. 2:27:02.920 --> 2:27:04.880 I can get that. 2:27:05.000 --> 2:27:08.120 I can get you know, has has a Viceland and 2:27:08.280 --> 2:27:10.800 Revolt had any effect on I mean, I don't want 2:27:10.800 --> 2:27:15.760 to say effect or impression or have you guys, it's 2:27:15.800 --> 2:27:17.480 a matter. Is it an your peripheral at all? Does 2:27:17.520 --> 2:27:19.440 it matter? Is it anything that they're doing that you like? 2:27:19.920 --> 2:27:23.120 I would suggest you watched Jesus and Mirro on Viceland? 2:27:23.600 --> 2:27:28.039 What Jesus and Miro on Viceland? Yeah, it's a future 2:27:28.080 --> 2:27:29.039 of black comedy right there. 2:27:30.320 --> 2:27:31.760 He's actually telling the truth. 2:27:33.520 --> 2:27:37.440 So has Viceland or revolt question. 2:27:37.640 --> 2:27:41.080 Yeah, I was getting that because I appreciate a vice's 2:27:41.160 --> 2:27:47.680 different approach to media, and I'm hoping, you know, to 2:27:47.800 --> 2:27:49.720 freshen things up. I think they freshened things up to 2:27:50.640 --> 2:27:54.760 use that term revolt is. I think it's an awesome 2:27:55.040 --> 2:27:58.080 exhibition around music. We just not do that. We do 2:27:58.200 --> 2:28:00.200 that on kind of jams and soul, but not the 2:28:00.240 --> 2:28:00.959 main one anymore. 2:28:01.440 --> 2:28:02.800 I was just curious. It is funny because we were 2:28:02.840 --> 2:28:05.560 talking about Noisy the other day and it's it's funny. 2:28:05.720 --> 2:28:08.920 It's a really great show in a way. However, as 2:28:08.959 --> 2:28:10.760 my mother said, when she walked in and then walked 2:28:10.760 --> 2:28:12.920 out when she saw what was going on, it feels like, 2:28:13.400 --> 2:28:16.200 what do you call that? Cultural tourism? So I was 2:28:16.280 --> 2:28:18.320 just asking because there's some things that you know, we 2:28:18.400 --> 2:28:19.360 could do without it. 2:28:19.400 --> 2:28:22.600 Feeling that way. We we we you know, we we 2:28:24.120 --> 2:28:27.400 over use this term, but you know, absolutely authentically black 2:28:27.440 --> 2:28:30.040 as what we what we are, we we we we are, 2:28:30.160 --> 2:28:32.120 we are the culture folks other folks read about it. 2:28:32.200 --> 2:28:43.760 Speaking of which, you went to the White House this year? Yes, actually, yes, 2:28:45.240 --> 2:28:49.880 I forgot we Okay, I was talking about going, you know, 2:28:50.120 --> 2:28:52.080 us going to the world, but then I forgot you 2:28:52.320 --> 2:29:03.840 were actually there to witness everything. Okay, let's talk about 2:29:03.879 --> 2:29:06.840 the actual production of the show, but I really want 2:29:07.160 --> 2:29:11.840 I wanted to talk about the afterwards after Love and Happiness. 2:29:12.000 --> 2:29:14.320 Did they approach you or how did you? How did you? 2:29:14.600 --> 2:29:14.640 So? 2:29:14.840 --> 2:29:18.520 Shout to Janine Library from b E two, who really 2:29:18.560 --> 2:29:21.680 has been who's been working with the White House? Look 2:29:22.040 --> 2:29:23.960 the White House. You may not, I guess you can 2:29:24.040 --> 2:29:26.560 you believe it now, but White House has this great 2:29:26.720 --> 2:29:29.120 collection of black women who work there. 2:29:29.360 --> 2:29:30.040 I've seen the article. 2:29:30.800 --> 2:29:34.200 Is a great collection of black women with whom like 2:29:34.680 --> 2:29:36.720 a bunch people woul be to your friends, especially Janine, 2:29:36.720 --> 2:29:38.720 And so it was like, look, we really want to win, 2:29:39.360 --> 2:29:42.320 you know, the thick of the election is over. We 2:29:42.360 --> 2:29:44.800 want to air something. It's like just a great goodbyeparty, 2:29:44.920 --> 2:29:47.400 just a throw down. There's no there's no rhyme or 2:29:47.440 --> 2:29:49.920 reason to it. Just just have fun. And so two 2:29:50.000 --> 2:29:52.400 years in the making, they were like yes, and so 2:29:52.560 --> 2:29:54.720 we were honored to go to the White House to 2:29:54.760 --> 2:29:58.760 be part of the last musical celebration they've had them 2:29:58.760 --> 2:30:01.120 over the years for Country and I think they're going 2:30:01.200 --> 2:30:04.959 from from from Memphis, from Memphis, and you know, backrack 2:30:05.080 --> 2:30:07.800 and how David had won and so this was just 2:30:07.879 --> 2:30:12.440 one for for for be eating and so a man 2:30:12.640 --> 2:30:16.800 it was was on board Roots and and Jane Monet 2:30:17.000 --> 2:30:21.800 and and and Soul they lost Soul requested by the 2:30:21.840 --> 2:30:22.879 President of the United States. 2:30:23.320 --> 2:30:27.480 Crazy. I think almost a tear. 2:30:27.600 --> 2:30:30.160 When I told him that who else was requested? 2:30:31.480 --> 2:30:35.720 Well, we all were requested, but this okay. So I 2:30:35.760 --> 2:30:39.480 guess the rumor is that you know what's on his iPod, 2:30:39.760 --> 2:30:42.280 and you know he wanted to see that come to life. 2:30:42.360 --> 2:30:45.760 But it's kind of weird knowing that the leader of 2:30:45.840 --> 2:30:49.080 the free world has a Roots song on his iPod 2:30:49.120 --> 2:30:50.600 when he works out at the gym in the morning. 2:30:50.680 --> 2:30:54.000 And I'm trying to figure that one out because I'm like, 2:30:54.480 --> 2:31:00.800 probably aren't we aren't we the Sunday Sunday afternoon, I 2:31:00.840 --> 2:31:03.160 can count maybe four songs that are over like one 2:31:03.240 --> 2:31:08.039 hundred bpms, like I thought were the relaxing evening songs kind. 2:31:07.920 --> 2:31:10.480 Of maybe maybe part of his cool down maybe on 2:31:10.560 --> 2:31:12.000 this on the on the tape of part of. 2:31:12.400 --> 2:31:15.320 Maybe who knows, Yeah, who knows? Who knows? Yeah? 2:31:15.400 --> 2:31:17.000 But we were there and we had a good time. 2:31:17.040 --> 2:31:18.520 We had a good time. It was one of the 2:31:18.680 --> 2:31:21.320 last he said he wasn't going to sing, and then 2:31:21.360 --> 2:31:23.199 he sang at the end. I think he grabbed somebody's 2:31:23.200 --> 2:31:25.920 mike mike like love it happiness. 2:31:27.280 --> 2:31:32.000 Wait. My favorite moment though, was Okay, So I'm sitting 2:31:32.040 --> 2:31:36.000 in this section with de La Soul and with Common 2:31:36.920 --> 2:31:44.640 and we're watching BBD do Poison and so at the 2:31:44.680 --> 2:31:48.160 White House at the White House, and like all seven 2:31:48.240 --> 2:31:53.480 of us are collectively looking at each other like, well, 2:31:53.560 --> 2:31:55.880 we know there isn't a radio edit version of this, 2:31:56.160 --> 2:32:01.039 so how are they going to handle the low pro hope? 2:32:01.600 --> 2:32:04.760 Dog? Oh, that's the only one I was watching. 2:32:05.480 --> 2:32:11.800 I was watching first lady. Oh, I know, she said, Dog. 2:32:12.440 --> 2:32:14.920 It was the most magical moment of my life. 2:32:15.000 --> 2:32:15.160 It was. 2:32:15.240 --> 2:32:16.480 It was kind of watching her. 2:32:16.760 --> 2:32:19.000 It was our movements too, right the local host she 2:32:19.240 --> 2:32:21.199 cut afro Like, all. 2:32:21.080 --> 2:32:26.879 I know is that obviously in nineteen ninety that must 2:32:26.920 --> 2:32:28.960 have been their jam when they were dating each other 2:32:29.000 --> 2:32:33.879 in Chicago, because there was just levels of Roger Rabbit Thom. 2:32:33.920 --> 2:32:37.640 Going on that I like doing the did he get 2:32:37.680 --> 2:32:38.600 on the back? Did he get on it? 2:32:39.360 --> 2:32:41.360 Let's not make it do a comedy moment, but not 2:32:41.480 --> 2:32:45.520 a comedy moment. Yeah, look, I'm just saying that. That 2:32:45.680 --> 2:32:49.640 was the realest moment I've ever seen Potus and Flotus. 2:32:50.879 --> 2:32:53.520 And she mounted the words, and I was just. 2:32:53.640 --> 2:32:57.880 Like, did she like let me ask? I'm sorry, I 2:32:57.920 --> 2:32:59.720 just have many questions. So she mounted the words, so 2:33:00.160 --> 2:33:02.320 mouthing the whole song she was, she's singing the. 2:33:02.360 --> 2:33:05.200 Song, and then she just mounted. The crew used to 2:33:05.400 --> 2:33:06.120 do it right. 2:33:06.240 --> 2:33:10.000 So you will never see it on TV. You will 2:33:10.120 --> 2:33:11.959 never see it. You will never see that on TV. 2:33:12.000 --> 2:33:12.800 But you guys filmed it. 2:33:14.320 --> 2:33:15.640 You will never see it on TV. 2:33:16.720 --> 2:33:18.520 You will film what I meant to stay with y'all. 2:33:26.720 --> 2:33:29.400 I mean, we saw us, we saw on social media, so. 2:33:29.600 --> 2:33:31.720 There was so much energy around that. You know, you 2:33:31.800 --> 2:33:35.200 were like it was it was. It was palpable, it 2:33:35.320 --> 2:33:38.920 was undeniable, it was I think you're right. That hadn't 2:33:38.920 --> 2:33:40.560 been their song at some point in time, and that's 2:33:40.560 --> 2:33:42.800 why that was their song. We kind of introduced this like, well, 2:33:42.800 --> 2:33:44.320 you know, the first movie was do the Right Thing. 2:33:44.680 --> 2:33:46.480 But you know, we imagine at some point in time, 2:33:46.560 --> 2:33:50.920 you guys dance to this and they jumped up. 2:33:51.240 --> 2:33:53.320 Yeah, so y'all had a full I'm sorry, so y'all 2:33:53.320 --> 2:33:55.200 are not telling this story, you know, and listen your turns. 2:33:55.320 --> 2:33:57.320 So let me ask you said you introduced it. So 2:33:58.240 --> 2:34:01.480 you introduced BBD to the crime out like they're literally 2:34:01.560 --> 2:34:04.000 you're on the stage and you're like, okay, coming up next, 2:34:04.000 --> 2:34:04.520 we got a song. 2:34:04.560 --> 2:34:05.480 I thought that was obvious. 2:34:05.760 --> 2:34:06.640 No, no, it's not. 2:34:07.400 --> 2:34:11.480 No, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we said it, Yeah they said. 2:34:11.320 --> 2:34:13.640 It, But I didn't believe that you said it like that, like, yes, 2:34:13.959 --> 2:34:15.040 that's exactly how you said it. 2:34:15.879 --> 2:34:19.119 We talked about their first date and then we imagine 2:34:19.160 --> 2:34:22.800 that at sometime doing your courtship, this was your song, 2:34:23.480 --> 2:34:26.879 and but we didn't know it was true because because 2:34:26.920 --> 2:34:29.040 once it happened, because the tone of the night was 2:34:29.160 --> 2:34:33.080 like yes Jill, Yes, yes you're the yes John l 2:34:33.160 --> 2:34:35.720 and yes yes common yes think you know. It was 2:34:35.760 --> 2:34:39.720 a very positive and then when them snare drum hit, 2:34:40.640 --> 2:34:44.480 it was like like a pajama Jimmy jim. 2:34:44.440 --> 2:34:46.240 So am I to understand there is going to be 2:34:46.320 --> 2:34:49.360 a televised part of this which which will have the 2:34:49.520 --> 2:34:51.640 Jill and all of that and stuff. And then that 2:34:51.760 --> 2:34:53.520 other stuff was like their after party. 2:34:53.360 --> 2:34:55.840 For later there were there was the after party. 2:34:57.879 --> 2:35:02.160 Was not the after party, Yeah BD was the Okay, 2:35:02.240 --> 2:35:03.520 so you say that's why you're saying that she didn't 2:35:03.520 --> 2:35:03.760 see that. 2:35:03.800 --> 2:35:04.000 Wow. 2:35:04.120 --> 2:35:05.720 Wow, you really couldn't figure that out. 2:35:05.840 --> 2:35:09.360 I really did not. I love you, Layah, thank you, 2:35:09.520 --> 2:35:12.760 because somebody at home is with me, aren't you. That's okay? No, 2:35:13.240 --> 2:35:15.880 you'd be safe in your zone. Another dumb question. No, 2:35:16.520 --> 2:35:17.760 I'm talking to the people right now. 2:35:17.760 --> 2:35:20.920 Or it's fevers at an all timeline. But my point 2:35:21.080 --> 2:35:25.360 is that there were three versions of that performance. There 2:35:25.440 --> 2:35:29.520 was BET's uh, there was BBD's performance of it, which 2:35:29.600 --> 2:35:36.160 was flawless, and there was us looking at each other. 2:35:36.600 --> 2:35:39.720 I wish there was a camera just looking a reaction 2:35:39.879 --> 2:35:46.480 camera at between pass mace me, treak, common uh, Dave, 2:35:46.680 --> 2:35:50.400 true boy, everyone spouses, everyone's like. We were just looking 2:35:50.400 --> 2:35:53.880 at each other like is this supposed to happen? Are 2:35:53.920 --> 2:35:55.960 they allowed to say it? And then looking at her, 2:35:56.280 --> 2:35:58.440 is she she's mouthing at work? Oh my god? They 2:35:58.560 --> 2:36:01.439 no poison? Like it was just it was the craziest 2:36:01.480 --> 2:36:05.400 moment I've ever seen in my life. Thanks, thanks, No, 2:36:05.720 --> 2:36:12.080 it was bedtime, it was BT and cut time. About 2:36:12.080 --> 2:36:13.480 the video, it was a video vibrations. 2:36:14.320 --> 2:36:16.560 Yes, the fact that Usher did not have to take 2:36:16.600 --> 2:36:18.320 that video down just show the rest of the world 2:36:18.360 --> 2:36:18.959 that you know what he. 2:36:19.040 --> 2:36:22.240 Read to go and he don't give a what he 2:36:22.400 --> 2:36:23.879 gonna be audited next year, but let that. 2:36:23.959 --> 2:36:35.200 Happen, all right, So fante, man, I learned that. What 2:36:35.320 --> 2:36:36.039 do we learned? Man? 2:36:36.160 --> 2:36:40.920 I learned Stephen Hill as a lot more musical uh 2:36:41.600 --> 2:36:43.120 appreciation than I realized. 2:36:43.240 --> 2:36:43.840 You know what I'm saying. 2:36:43.879 --> 2:36:45.760 This is the first time that me and you have 2:36:45.840 --> 2:36:49.640 ever really have to have a conversation and uh, you know, 2:36:50.760 --> 2:36:52.600 you know it's it's always funny. 2:36:52.600 --> 2:36:54.240 And again you know you answered earlier. 2:36:54.400 --> 2:36:57.040 Just you know, the people who are in position, who 2:36:57.080 --> 2:36:58.800 are in power in their program and it's like the 2:36:58.920 --> 2:37:02.920 things that they have to program a lot of times, 2:37:02.920 --> 2:37:05.120 it's very different from the stuff that they appreciate in 2:37:05.240 --> 2:37:07.760 their real lives, you know what I'm saying. So I just, 2:37:08.000 --> 2:37:10.360 you know, really appreciate the opportunities to sit and uh 2:37:10.920 --> 2:37:13.360 clear the air and just to really just talk about 2:37:13.480 --> 2:37:15.240 music just as fans. 2:37:15.280 --> 2:37:16.760 You know what I mean. When you talked about going 2:37:16.840 --> 2:37:19.400 to see Radiohead, I mean, dude, like. 2:37:20.400 --> 2:37:23.279 Bruh England Aly fourth and July fifth, Oh. 2:37:23.240 --> 2:37:26.760 Man, Yeah, yeah, you got your tickets already. Wow. 2:37:27.040 --> 2:37:31.600 No, I'm sorry, No, I'm gonna get them, I hope 2:37:31.640 --> 2:37:32.959 you have better luck than I did with the New 2:37:33.040 --> 2:37:36.160 York shows. Oh they sold out, like I think the 2:37:36.240 --> 2:37:37.920 server crash or something and by the time it was 2:37:37.959 --> 2:37:38.880 back up, it was sold out. 2:37:39.480 --> 2:37:39.680 Yeah. 2:37:40.800 --> 2:37:42.240 So no, man, no, no, no, I want to be clear. 2:37:42.280 --> 2:37:43.840 I got online. That's why I want to go see 2:37:43.879 --> 2:37:44.680 him in Amsterdam. 2:37:45.720 --> 2:37:49.200 Oh so you don't know pros and that. 2:37:49.240 --> 2:37:50.040 Takes the fun out of it. 2:37:52.280 --> 2:37:55.440 I'm sorry. Getting free tickets is the fun part for me. 2:37:56.120 --> 2:37:59.920 You trying to tell me sometimes you're just a fan though, right, 2:38:00.240 --> 2:38:03.360 So sometimes I was online at four because they went 2:38:03.400 --> 2:38:05.920 on to say at ten am in every place, So 2:38:06.040 --> 2:38:08.840 I was up at four a m. On Wasiste dot Org? 2:38:08.920 --> 2:38:13.520 I think Wasiste dot Org? Get my tickets for Radiohead 2:38:13.560 --> 2:38:17.720 for Amsterdam last May. Absolutely, But dude, sometimes you do 2:38:17.760 --> 2:38:19.760 it as a fan. I'm like, I'm a fan of music. Like, 2:38:20.200 --> 2:38:22.240 there's sometimes I'm not going to say, like I never 2:38:22.320 --> 2:38:24.760 dial in for tickets. I'm going to see Maxwell and Mary. 2:38:24.760 --> 2:38:27.880 I'm dialing in for tickets, right, But there's sometimes you 2:38:28.040 --> 2:38:30.959 just want to have the entire fan experience, and with Radiohead, 2:38:31.560 --> 2:38:32.000 you know I. 2:38:34.520 --> 2:38:34.560 Do. 2:38:35.400 --> 2:38:38.000 I do, absolutely, But if it sells out, you're gonna 2:38:38.040 --> 2:38:40.199 call them, right If. 2:38:39.879 --> 2:38:42.720 Stub Hub and everything else fails and I really want 2:38:42.760 --> 2:38:45.240 to go then I will, but that last resort, that's last. 2:38:45.440 --> 2:38:47.520 But that's last resort because there's with them. It's just 2:38:47.600 --> 2:38:48.440 like I'm a fan. 2:38:48.640 --> 2:38:51.080 Damn. That's what I learned. I learned that Stephen Hill 2:38:51.240 --> 2:38:56.520 really is a fan wants to pay for it? Uh, Sugar, Steve, 2:38:57.160 --> 2:38:57.680 how you doing? 2:38:58.040 --> 2:39:01.040 I learned a lot about Stephen Hill, learned a lot 2:39:01.080 --> 2:39:03.520 about radio. I learned a lot about pet. What I 2:39:03.560 --> 2:39:06.400 found interesting was your It seems like from day one 2:39:06.560 --> 2:39:10.840 you got this charge out of breaking new artists or 2:39:10.920 --> 2:39:13.400 new songs or new music from your college radio days, 2:39:13.400 --> 2:39:15.760 and now still even up until now, it sounds like 2:39:15.800 --> 2:39:18.920 you're doing that still and still getting that same rush 2:39:18.959 --> 2:39:20.840 from it. So I found that cool and interesting. 2:39:22.160 --> 2:39:26.920 That's that amount of breath amazing. Okay, I'm gonna save 2:39:27.000 --> 2:39:32.240 Laya for last, because no, you'r DC's finest, you know, So, 2:39:32.440 --> 2:39:35.000 Boss Bill, Yes, what did you learn today? Bruther? 2:39:35.040 --> 2:39:36.640 I learned about hitting the post. I didn't know there 2:39:36.680 --> 2:39:38.240 was a term for that. I did not know there's 2:39:38.240 --> 2:39:40.280 a term for that, and postmaster general, yeah, post master. 2:39:41.400 --> 2:39:42.800 So miir is going to be hearing a lot about 2:39:42.879 --> 2:39:43.480 hitting the post. 2:39:44.120 --> 2:39:47.080 In the future, I can't be FedEx or no, he 2:39:47.200 --> 2:39:49.680 can't work in the mail room hitting the posts. Hitting 2:39:49.760 --> 2:39:53.120 the post. Well, thank you Steve for introducing. You got 2:39:53.160 --> 2:39:54.879 another task for me to master. 2:39:55.160 --> 2:39:56.480 You got my pleasure. 2:39:56.959 --> 2:39:59.800 Gosh, all right, Layah, let's have it. 2:40:01.320 --> 2:40:03.240 You do such a build up that if I don't 2:40:03.320 --> 2:40:06.120 do something, I feel like an idiot. I was gonna say, 2:40:06.120 --> 2:40:10.640 I'm learning. I'm learning that you can leave radio and 2:40:10.760 --> 2:40:13.400 go to greater and better things. However, I'm still learning 2:40:13.440 --> 2:40:16.000 how to do that because it's interesting. It was when 2:40:16.000 --> 2:40:17.520 you said it was a time when like people really 2:40:17.520 --> 2:40:21.160 appreciated radio, people's opinion like MTV, and those times have change. 2:40:21.360 --> 2:40:23.680 So I am learning that I am appreciating quest Love. 2:40:26.040 --> 2:40:33.560 I think that that was leaving radio and transitioning to 2:40:33.680 --> 2:40:35.039 something better. That's what I meant. 2:40:35.160 --> 2:40:37.960 Oh, okay, you met me as the radio show, not 2:40:38.080 --> 2:40:39.320 me as an Emir Thompson. 2:40:39.600 --> 2:40:39.800 Yeah. 2:40:40.720 --> 2:40:42.880 And I learned you should never lose your passion and 2:40:43.000 --> 2:40:46.360 your spirit about radio about music in that way, because 2:40:46.480 --> 2:40:48.600 most radio people, we start out that way, but you know, 2:40:48.720 --> 2:40:51.440 sometimes the business jade you a little bit, and you know, 2:40:51.520 --> 2:40:53.039 you don't listen to music for a while and that's 2:40:53.080 --> 2:40:55.520 what I've been doing. So you kind of encourage me to. 2:40:57.200 --> 2:40:58.400 Like the music. 2:40:58.800 --> 2:41:00.960 Yeah, in the music business, and you've been hurt and 2:41:01.040 --> 2:41:03.160 fired a couple of times. As you know, you're like, 2:41:03.320 --> 2:41:05.080 I'm gonna take a break, but no, I'm gonna keep 2:41:05.080 --> 2:41:05.320 it going. 2:41:05.720 --> 2:41:10.640 I learned the importance of front selling. I learned the 2:41:10.760 --> 2:41:14.520 importance of that. Finally, finally I learned that all of 2:41:14.600 --> 2:41:21.200 my authority figures at at Pandora are relieve that I've 2:41:21.280 --> 2:41:28.080 learned those things. I've learned that this too shall pass 2:41:29.480 --> 2:41:34.720 word and we will have a prosperous New Year's and 2:41:35.040 --> 2:41:38.840 we will have a prosperous year and a prosperous decade 2:41:38.879 --> 2:41:44.600 and a prosperous life. And you know, life goes on. 2:41:44.840 --> 2:41:47.480 Life ain't over. Which is still in with all right? 2:41:47.560 --> 2:41:50.480 By Kendrick, I was gonna say, outcast, hold on, be strong? 2:41:51.200 --> 2:41:54.480 Word up? Can we who are we going to throw? 2:41:54.720 --> 2:41:57.920 Just a inter wait? Do me favorite? 2:41:58.160 --> 2:41:58.440 Can you? 2:41:58.840 --> 2:41:59.760 Can you front? 2:42:01.040 --> 2:42:01.680 All right? Right? 2:42:03.200 --> 2:42:04.520 You want me to hit try and hit the post? 2:42:04.640 --> 2:42:10.959 I want you because that one start it fades in. Okay, 2:42:11.000 --> 2:42:14.959 here we go. You're gonna front and back Celle, outcast, 2:42:15.000 --> 2:42:18.040 hold on be strong. That'd be like one of the 2:42:18.080 --> 2:42:21.520 same thing, right, yeah, you gotta by the time minute 2:42:21.560 --> 2:42:25.360 twelve seconds. You ready, why tell me front tell me 2:42:26.240 --> 2:42:31.800 it's plain. It is good evening, ladies and gentlemen. You're 2:42:31.800 --> 2:42:32.879 tuned in the Quest Love Supreme. 2:42:33.480 --> 2:42:36.080 As we wrap up this fine, fine episode with our 2:42:36.120 --> 2:42:38.200 guest Stephen Hill tonight, we want to leave you with 2:42:38.360 --> 2:42:43.680 some uh some uplifting words from the cast about outcasts. 2:42:44.440 --> 2:42:51.880 This is hold On Be Strong on Pandora. That was 2:42:52.080 --> 2:42:57.920 out hold On Be Strong, and I'm taking over. Join 2:42:58.040 --> 2:43:01.119 us next week for another episode of Quest Supreme. Yes, 2:43:01.360 --> 2:43:03.800 we hope you enjoyed us. Thank you very much, Stephen Hill. 2:43:05.200 --> 2:43:07.120 This has been a black Thank you very much us. 2:43:07.480 --> 2:43:12.560 Hold body up, hold On be Strong, hold On Be Strong. 2:43:14.520 --> 2:43:18.280 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 2:43:18.320 --> 2:43:24.280 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 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