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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: My name is Questlove. That this is q LS classic.

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Speaker 2: When we look back at classic Quest Love Supreme episode,

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Speaker 2: this one was a doozy. This is from December seventh,

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: However, the night that we've recorded this was the night

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Speaker 3: of the presidential elections. Kind of came in the door

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Speaker 3: thinking that then Senator Hillary Clinton had it in the bag,

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Speaker 3: and midway through the episode you just hear are yeah,

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Speaker 3: And that's because, yeah, we found out whose winner was

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Speaker 3: going to be that night, and we didn't know what

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Speaker 3: America was in for who Anyway, Stephen Hill, a good

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Speaker 3: friend of the show, performer, et executive and now you

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Speaker 3: know general Love of Music, shares this.

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Speaker 2: Journey with us and it's an amazing show.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: This is Stephen Hill or Quest Love Supreme Classic from

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Speaker 2: December seventh, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 4: Suprema Su Su Suprema Roll Call, Suprema.

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Speaker 1: Sun Sun Supremo Role Call.

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Speaker 4: Suprema Sun Sun Suprema Roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun Suprema

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Speaker 4: Roll Call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Quest Love. Yeah, you're resident. Yeah nothing

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Speaker 1: the President.

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Speaker 4: Sun Suprema Roll call Suprema Sun Sun.

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Speaker 1: Suprema roll call. My name is Fonte. Yeah. My style

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Speaker 1: so elegant.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some even say, yeah, I'm too intelligent, Suprema.

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Speaker 6: My name is Stephen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like I guess.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the only difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's more well dressed.

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Speaker 4: Supremo Supreme roll call, Supreme Suprema.

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Speaker 8: Ro still is my first name. Yeah, my middle name

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Speaker 8: is Earl. Yeah, waiting for some reruns. Yeah, of Cedar's.

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Speaker 1: World, Super.

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Speaker 4: Supreme, roll called Supreme son So Supremo roll.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm a little sad, Yeah because Obama gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I miss her.

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Speaker 4: Roll call Supremo something something Supreme roll call, Primo Supreme roll.

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Speaker 6: My name is Stephen. Yeah, I got that base.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm about to put Yeah, Supreme Supreme Suprema roll

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Speaker 9: Suprema Suprema roll.

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Speaker 1: Give yourself? How you doing? Still ain't got fired yet?

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Speaker 1: Now we're still here. I'm shocked we are still here

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Speaker 1: after all this time. Ladies and gentlemen, what's up? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Amir quest Lov Thompson, and we have another great show

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Speaker 1: for you this week on the show. Today, we have

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Speaker 1: the president of Programming at BT Networks, mister Stephen Hill.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring him on in a minute, but before we

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Speaker 1: do that, let's check in quickly with Team Supreme. How

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Speaker 1: you doing.

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Speaker 10: Man, I'm good man. I have some foolish to jump

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Speaker 10: off at the crib. Yeah, some foolish to jump off.

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Speaker 6: At the crib.

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Speaker 1: The day my uncle got shot.

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Speaker 10: Whoa, and so I gotta I gotta go home and like,

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Speaker 10: see what's up. He was shot in the stomach exit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just another day in the life, my brother. How

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Speaker 1: y'all doing? Forget about? How are you doing?

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Speaker 7: How's your uncle doing?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 10: I mean he's he's well, he's in critical condition and

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Speaker 1: But it exit, which is a good thing if it exits.

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Speaker 10: But if it stays, that's like you're totally fucked if

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Speaker 10: And but but I'm good man. Everything else is everything

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just that Fante is still spot on with

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Speaker 6: If you were just waiting for the punch on, my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my uncle got shot. Yeah, I was like, wait

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Speaker 1: other than that, I'm cool, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm in New York City. How's your family, Steve, They're

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Speaker 1: Just you know, I want to make sure everyone's family.

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Speaker 1: That's good. It's good, Bill, you.

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Speaker 5: Gots Yeah, everybody is alive, you know, and excited about

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Speaker 5: this new year.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it is. That's what we call it

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Speaker 1: new year.

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Speaker 5: And I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: What is this new year going to bring us? We

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Speaker 1: don't know even No, I'm just saying, you know, January

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Speaker 1: special for you. Well, it's you and I that's right,

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Speaker 1: it's special for you and I yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well it's not here because as a woman when you

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Speaker 5: quest love what your birthday?

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Speaker 1: What was you gonna be like how I'm always out

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Speaker 1: of the country the way anybody wants to say gifts.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, because usually around inauguration time, Uh,

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Speaker 1: my birthday falls on MLK Day and Inauguration Day, so

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Speaker 1: light and I go way back to Philadelphia. So the

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Speaker 1: tasty treats collective, Yes, I thought, like, y'all mean and

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Speaker 1: Stacey were like, set me up for like a thirty birthday,

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Speaker 5: Was like, that's the story of January twentieth and our birthday.

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Speaker 1: It is even even when Obama got inaugurated, not one

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Speaker 10: That's almost like, you know what, man, I had something

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Speaker 10: Michael Jackson died. Oh no, And so we went out, Yeah,

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Speaker 10: Mike died that day, and so and my party was

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Speaker 10: I said, Okay, cool, we'll come out, we'll celebrate whatever.

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Speaker 10: But Mike had died, and so I'm fucking Bill boss

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Speaker 10: Bill he had a gig somewhere in Atlanta. He was

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Speaker 10: I'm like, dude, why am I crying over Michael Jackson?

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Speaker 10: But I was fucked up? So we go out. Now,

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Speaker 10: we went out that night and it wasn't even our anniversary.

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Speaker 10: Y'all was celebrating Michael Jackson. And I just remember telling her.

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Speaker 10: I was like, yo, she tried to blame. She was

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Speaker 10: celebrating the Michael's life as well. No, no, it's not that

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Speaker 10: that was a callisquar divorce, but just as to say, well,

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Speaker 10: I f I wasn't. I didn't get my attention that night,

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Speaker 10: and I was and I was just like, listen, that's

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Speaker 10: Michael Jackson. Like I mean we will hopefully have other anniversaries.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're not, but there's only one Michael Jackson, Like,

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Speaker 10: Like you didn't make thriller? I mean you brought me

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Speaker 1: Though, so that was kind of you know, you could

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Speaker 1: see why Barrys maybe didn't last. But we're great friends

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Speaker 1: now and it's cool. But but nah, I hear you.

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Speaker 10: Whenever big events happened, you kind of can't compete with that,

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Speaker 1: Wait, I didn't know that I can compare real life

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Speaker 1: relationship matters with our classic albums. Look at my face

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Speaker 1: light up right now? I had kind of this dinner

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Speaker 1: was okay, but you know it wasn't no purple. You

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Speaker 1: know it might have been love sex. You know, chicken

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Speaker 1: Here with us? Listen, yes, where is Yes? Let's do it?

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Speaker 5: Like well, since you, oh, don't make me do it.

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Speaker 1: The man because I know you're ladies and.

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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, boys and girls. The man who has shaped the

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Speaker 5: our nation. The man that gave us the Real Prince Tribute.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 5: The man that kept Team some of the life for

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Speaker 5: a little bit, because I'm sure he was there for

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Speaker 5: that long, gave us Sita, the Man, Rap City, Joe Claire,

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Speaker 5: uh Real Husbands of Hollywood. Uh, step Hills here, y'all? Wow,

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Speaker 5: I mean you see yeah?

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Speaker 1: Can we call you mister president?

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Speaker 6: So you got to call me something because there's another

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Speaker 6: Sugar Steve.

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Speaker 8: You want to know why we can hold on to

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Speaker 1: Do you want to know why we call short version

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Speaker 1: short version? He has diabetes? There you go, so he's down.

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Speaker 1: You can laugh, we laugh about it.

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Speaker 6: far we have a guy who has diabetes and somebody

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Speaker 6: whose uncle got shot.

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Speaker 5: This and might I just say, mister Hill, congratulations on

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Speaker 5: TV like I mean, I you know, people have dreams,

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Speaker 5: some of us and you have lived it. So congratulations,

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Speaker 5: we're making out the radio story.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that's a hard transition.

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Speaker 5: That excuse excuse me for calling you this when niggas

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Speaker 5: The best station in the world. Yes, I said it loud.

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Speaker 6: Because it's it's independent independent, it's not it's not owned

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Speaker 6: College is when you're below ninety two point three. If

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Why do you have these romantic visions of radio as

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Speaker 6: Because it was that way when I was in radio.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, you would you be in a computer?

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Speaker 6: I would try anybody who would have me and be

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Speaker 5: Is great music? Stephen Hill? That's a fascinating statement you

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing because I know the thing

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Speaker 1: But the thing is that I feel like life is science,

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: I think Sudi would be all right, We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: If you let's get Scott Storts to do the first

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Speaker 8: But okay, Scott Storch being considered a member of the Roots,

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Speaker 1: Is it's like he never left. Like the thing is

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Speaker 5: Kalise? Was she a Root?

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Speaker 1: She was like six months but I thought, all see,

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Speaker 1: But the thing is is that the Roots are like

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Speaker 1: Steely Dan, you know it's it's it's fake session and

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Speaker 8: Scott wasn't hasn't been a root for a long time.

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Speaker 1: He's always been just his Yeah, but I mean Scott

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Speaker 5: Just formulas. You're basically saying that you're not a suit

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Speaker 5: just because you have a formula. Did you think would work?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But I never went out like, hey, let's get it

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Speaker 1: just like, let's just do the most normal. I got

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Speaker 1: it was just like that was my most hands off Okay,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think there's anything calculating on that level.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, Stephen, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: I'm still trying to figure out who the Jeff Skunk

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Speaker 1: A man that would be uh would it be Kurt?

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Speaker 5: Did I figure out what Jeff Skunk Baster is.

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Speaker 6: Or brother effort?

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Speaker 1: Steely Dan had at least nineteen revolving musicians around the

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Speaker 5: But when you learn you're just a surface Steely Dan fan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: No, but this is what the show watch, y'all.

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Speaker 5: Watch Michael Jackson tapes over all.

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Speaker 6: Right, I could do that forever, you know, I could

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Speaker 6: do that?

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Speaker 5: Is he your favorite?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: It's tough when you have it's tough when it's princes

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 6: It's tough. You talk about practicing spontaneity. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: I assure you everyone probably maybe George Clinton's p funk

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Speaker 5: But that's funny because anybody that great, most fans just

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Speaker 1: I don't mind being called to suit old suit or wait,

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Speaker 1: I had to look to the left to see what

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Speaker 1: Bill's response was. So Steve, back to you and your

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Speaker 6: And absolutely absolutely I just same thing. I was grew

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Speaker 6: It was just all this is is a pop station?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, ol Oil is the station I listened to in

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Speaker 6: I think Melvin Lindsay a little later. Yeah, But Peter Green,

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Speaker 6: last name, Bobby Burner. I can't think Bobby Burner something Burner.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, explain where did you grow up? Was

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Speaker 6: Southeasts?

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Speaker 1: You were born in d C.

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Speaker 5: Yo, that's the only part of DC that's still not

443
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Speaker 5: one hundred percent gentrified.

444
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Speaker 6: Yet they're getting close, tough, getting very they got as

445
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Speaker 6: anacostia bridge. It's gonna be an issue.

446
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Speaker 1: Describe specifically what black radio was like.

447
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Speaker 6: It was AM, it was w O L, it was AM.

448
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Speaker 6: It was am w ok.

449
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Speaker 1: Your visions and romantic visions of what radio was has

450
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Speaker 1: an AM frequency to it.

451
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean at the beginning, at the beginning, now

452
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Speaker 6: it's now it's FM. At the beginning where I learned

453
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Speaker 6: to love music, it was absolutely AM radio w O L,

454
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Speaker 6: w OK, w e E M for a pop station

455
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Speaker 6: PGC I think was FM by then it was actually

456
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Speaker 6: AM and FM, but it was. It was. It was

457
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Speaker 6: sound coming out of my father's nineteen sixty six Mustang

458
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Speaker 6: fake convertible, you know they had it had like the

459
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Speaker 6: cool green color, but there was a black but it

460
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Speaker 6: wasn't really a convertible.

461
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Speaker 1: It made it look like O convertible. Yeah, that's just

462
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Speaker 1: kind of the Chrysler three hundred of its exactly.

463
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Speaker 6: Exactly.

464
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Speaker 1: This is Quest Love, Supreme, Wor and Pandua. And if

465
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Speaker 1: you're just tuning in, we're chatting with our guests. The

466
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Speaker 1: head of programming at BT Networks, Stephen Hill. Okay, I

467
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Speaker 1: guess you're the first guest that was born on the

468
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Speaker 1: far east of the United States, where a lot of

469
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Speaker 1: our Midwestern guests told stories of just being one radio

470
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Speaker 1: station and maybe two hours of soul music.

471
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Speaker 5: Whereas Plus it's still the stop. Remember DC's below the

472
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Speaker 5: mazing Dixon line and very black. So it was one

473
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Speaker 5: of those rare cities four black radio stations. It still does.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Okay, so WEIM wasn't their black station. WPGC wasn't black.

475
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Speaker 6: Then that was the pop station, but that's the one

476
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Speaker 6: that we played bury Man Low and Earth wind Fire

477
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Speaker 6: and wild Cherry and O L and Okay We're am

478
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Speaker 6: and then okay became FM one hundred point three.

479
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Speaker 1: You could trust radio back then?

480
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Speaker 6: Oh yes, absolutely. I trusted it with my heart absolutely.

481
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Speaker 1: So were you DJ at heart or just like you

482
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a personality.

483
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Speaker 6: I just wanted to be around music as much as

484
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Speaker 6: I possibly could. Like there was I'm sure everybody had

485
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Speaker 6: that experience of getting in the car and like the

486
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Speaker 6: first thing you do is turn on the radio. Like

487
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Speaker 6: the biggest, the biggest thrill I ever had when we

488
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Speaker 6: got a car that we could turn the radio on

489
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Speaker 6: before the engine came on. I remember that there was

490
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Speaker 6: a Volkswagen that came out of Mom got a Volkswagen. Yeah,

491
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 6: and the radio would turn on. Now this caused challenges,

492
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Speaker 6: of course, when you go to listen to the radio

493
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Speaker 6: in the car. Sometimes I would just look outside and

494
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Speaker 6: listen to radio in the car without going anywhere, and

495
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Speaker 6: then leave the radio on and the battery be.

496
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Speaker 1: Out and.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, so that that's the first part of music,

498
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Speaker 6: and it was motown. It was James Brown. James Brown

499
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 6: was my first, uh musical crush ever, like that was

500
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Speaker 6: my first idol, like that when we saw James Brown

501
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 6: on TV move and he was in the middle of

502
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Speaker 6: his going from process to Afro phase. So say it,

503
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Speaker 6: say that Loud's transition. He was transitioning. Say it Loud was.

504
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Speaker 6: I think I was like seven or eight years old,

505
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Speaker 6: but that meant something to me. I didn't know what

506
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Speaker 6: I didn't know what black and White was at that

507
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Speaker 6: point in time, but I knew something about that song

508
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Speaker 6: spoke spoke to me.

509
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Speaker 1: Were you attending concerts by this point or.

510
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Speaker 6: First concert was July second, nineteen seventy Temptations, Temptations right

511
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Speaker 6: after the right after psychdelic h It was after one

512
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Speaker 6: album after that Ballic Confusion was on the album That's

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Speaker 6: Skyt's limmit right, I got a.

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Speaker 5: Check to get I have to check was that like,

515
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Speaker 5: Howard did you go see that? No?

516
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Speaker 6: No, I was actually came out to My dad had

517
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Speaker 6: to work in LA for the first half of that year,

518
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Speaker 6: so we came out at the end of June. I

519
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Speaker 6: remember this very well.

520
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Speaker 1: What did your parents do?

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Speaker 6: My dad worked with the Census Bureau. He was a

522
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Speaker 6: statistician for years, and mom was a mom, raised us

523
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Speaker 6: and then was a part time teacher, music teacher. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 6: so that was my That was my parents there.

525
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Speaker 1: But your mom was a music teacher.

526
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Speaker 6: She was that explained teacher. She was a taught piano

527
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Speaker 6: so to me.

528
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Speaker 1: But did you ever want to learn?

529
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Speaker 6: Or did? But I had never had the patience for it.

530
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Speaker 6: That was the problem, and it's I have very few

531
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Speaker 6: regrets in my entire life. That's the biggest regret we

532
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Speaker 6: didn't stay with the piano that I didn't stay with

533
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 6: the drums. I tried, but I just didn't have the

534
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Speaker 6: patience at eleven and twelve years old to stick with it.

535
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Speaker 6: It's the biggest regret. But I learned how to play

536
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Speaker 6: some things about my own, right, So I can play

537
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 6: first part of Purple Rain on a piano. I can

538
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Speaker 6: play MacArthur Park. Oh oh wait a minute, really I

539
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 6: can play I can play the first part of MacArthur

540
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Speaker 6: Park on a piano. And I used to be able

541
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Speaker 6: to play father song. Really, I used to be able

542
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Speaker 6: to play father song.

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Speaker 1: Well. But the first part of MacArthur's part, that's hilarious

544
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Speaker 1: record shopping Steve and I discovered on the forty five

545
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Speaker 1: we had a radio promo of MacArthur's part. What you

546
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Speaker 1: have to know about MacArthur's Park is that by Donna

547
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Speaker 1: Summit or no no, no, no, no, Richard Arthur. Oh

548
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Speaker 1: there is Richard Harris. Richard Harris, right, yeah, So MacArthur's

549
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Speaker 1: Part is sort of like a hell Mary throw into

550
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Speaker 1: the world of radio, which each song should be about

551
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: three minutes and thirty seconds, and the idea of telling

552
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Speaker 1: radio programmers to let this seven minute.

553
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Speaker 6: It's about seven it's seven seven seven seven, yeah, like seven.

554
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Speaker 1: Oh two or something like that. So it's very unusual

555
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: one for a forty five to have a seven minute song.

556
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Speaker 1: But the actual artwork of the forty five of MacArthur's Park,

557
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: it's more about the record label telling you the listener

558
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Speaker 1: that you know, sometimes you have to let songs breathe

559
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: and get to you. And you know, what's a seven

560
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: minute song? Sit down and absorb this music like I've

561
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: never seen a selling point of such an epic song.

562
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: And and and of course you know what is MacArthur's

563
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: part really about? I mean, just the idea of wasting

564
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: cake in the ring. You've heard MacArthur's part, like you.

565
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Speaker 5: Know, I haven't. You know you hear me being quiet

566
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 5: over here. I was just gonna act like I did.

567
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 6: Well, you've heard the.

568
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Speaker 1: Melting and the Dog.

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Speaker 6: It's the same as the summer version.

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Speaker 5: I got it because I was sweating over year.

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Speaker 6: Written by Jimmy Jimmy Webb.

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Speaker 5: Okay, if not, I'm going to google it now.

573
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Speaker 1: My dad used to do that song in the show.

574
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just wondered about leaving cake out and

575
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: the raine. And so it's funny think.

576
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 6: About that every time because it was my mother's favorite

577
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 6: song for a very long time. Something about that song

578
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 6: really talk to her and I try to figure out

579
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 6: what it was. I couldn't figure with it, but I

580
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 6: always had the idea of a cake out in the

581
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 6: rain and I could see it vividly that there's lime green.

582
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 6: It's lime green with some kind of strawberry and was

583
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 6: just melting down. It's such a visual to me.

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Speaker 10: But that's the song though, I mean, Jimmy Webb, I think,

585
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 10: if I'm not mistaking, I think he's just saying got

586
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Speaker 10: a wrote Witchity Lineman.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's like one of my favorite songs.

588
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: He's a great songwriter.

589
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Speaker 6: I don't think did Richard Harris ever sing any song

590
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Speaker 6: beside that, like Richard Harris the actor. By the way,

591
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Speaker 6: Richard Harris the actor sang MacArthur parkon problem was that

592
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Speaker 6: was on a forty five and trying to get seven

593
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Speaker 6: minutes worth a sound of the forty five if you

594
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Speaker 6: wrong all of a sudden, Yeah, I remember my mom

595
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Speaker 6: had a Dell Stany in my corner and that was

596
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Speaker 6: like six sixty.

597
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Speaker 9: Boy.

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00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, how they get on? So it's

599
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: here for long forty five? Good mastering? All right? So Steve,

600
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: where do you at least get the curiosity on how

601
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: to enter radio? Like was this dreams you had as

602
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: a kid or just this come to you as a

603
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Speaker 1: teenager or an adult or mostly as.

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Speaker 6: A teenage but really, I mean it really it turned

605
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Speaker 6: around in my first year in college. My first year

606
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 6: I went to Brown and oh, because it's so tied back.

607
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 6: So Brown University had a radio station, has a radio station,

608
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 6: sorry WBRU, but it is ninety five point five. So

609
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Speaker 6: even though it is a college radio station, it is

610
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Speaker 6: in the it is in the you got to make

611
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 6: that money sector of the spectrum, right, It is not

612
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Speaker 6: a college below ninety two point three. So it was

613
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Speaker 6: a commercial radio station and it was rock, alternative, rock, away,

614
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 6: whatever you call it back in eighty four. But on

615
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 6: Sunday it was a three hundred and sixty degree black

616
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Speaker 6: experience in sound. If you hashtag that you've used up

617
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Speaker 6: all one, it's done.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you a story about BRU. It's a

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Speaker 1: little dishonest, but I'll say that after a few a

620
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: lot of root shows at Brown University, because we would

621
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Speaker 1: frequent a lot of the upper echelone colleges and get

622
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: that money. Sometimes at these radio interviews, the DJs would

623
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: sort of just let me rummage through.

624
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Speaker 6: No, I know where this is going, by the way,

625
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 6: because it's still on, it's still in the I know

626
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 6: where this is going.

627
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: I know where it's going. Okay, I'll say that I

628
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of wbr U records in my possession.

629
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Speaker 6: So if there if they are BRU records in the

630
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 6: upper left corner, it says R and B you wrote

631
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 6: it has a date on them. If you turn them around,

632
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: you'll see the writing on the back and they'll say,

633
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 6: we used to call it marketing records. And so we

634
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 6: just go through like one, you know, the side one

635
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: side too, and so you probably have some of the

636
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 6: market records, like what the good joints were, like Mark,

637
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 6: and we always try to figure out like, okay, that's

638
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: a single, so we're gonna mess with what that happened,

639
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 6: but here's what should be the next single. And so

640
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 6: we would go through every like.

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: All the like. Imagine that because that doesn't happen today

642
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: in the cutting piece. So all right, what is the

643
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: process of Because I know how important college radio was

644
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: to the development of a new artist, especially in the

645
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: eighties and in the nineties, so you know, they would

646
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: try to woo you just as important or as much

647
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: as a top five station or you know, like the

648
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: local conglomerates. So give us an example of an unheard

649
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: of talent coming to you first at at Brown You okay.

650
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 6: All right, A rather a rather greasy haired gentleman came down.

651
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 6: I can see, I can see it. It came down.

652
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I still to this day don't know

653
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 6: how he got into the studio. But he's like, hey,

654
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 6: I got this group. I got this group, right, And

655
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 6: he like, I got this group and this record, and

656
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 6: you know, the Jackson five was Thursday fart. But they're

657
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 6: just like the Jackson five. They're just like the Jackson five.

658
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Speaker 6: I think the blow up good for you. You know

659
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 6: exactly where it's going. And I swear to god he

660
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 6: came in on a Sunday because it was that was

661
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 6: that was three hundred sixty degree black experience of sound.

662
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: And I'm like, okay, we'll give it a shot. We'll

663
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 6: give it a shot, because you know people would do

664
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 6: that if you if you can get through and you

665
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 6: you're not gonna kill us, we'll play the record. We're good,

666
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 6: and we put and it was a it was a

667
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 6: new edition candigir.

668
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: It was it was I'm thinking Michael Johnson Maurice.

669
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, well what I can't think it was a real name.

670
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 6: That was No, Johnson's the last name because.

671
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Michael Johnson John Johnson Crew. That was

672
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: his partner, was it not? Okay?

673
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 6: Brother?

674
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: In this day and age, a lot of people approached

675
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: me about you know, check this out this this gentleman included,

676
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe my record is probably zero and

677
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: nine million for at least the patients to actually take

678
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: said product and press play and listen to it and

679
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: absorb it. Like but in radio, I mean, how do

680
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: you know who's worth listening to? Or I mean do

681
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: you have to accept everyone's Like if a person comes

682
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: to you and they seem rather shady or whatnot, do

683
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: you still give that product a chance?

684
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 6: And so I try to. Again, I'm big on that

685
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 6: not getting killed things right, because it's happened when people

686
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 6: walk in like yo, man, you won't listen to what.

687
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say, Like what if you

688
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: don't like a product.

689
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 6: I'm sorry you try to never listen to it in

690
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 6: front of them. You always try to get it like, hey,

691
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 6: can't listen to it now, I'll listen to it later.

692
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 6: You avoid that danger, right then, it's seriously, you try to.

693
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 6: You try to unless you know the person. If you

694
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 6: know somebody and you can give honest feedback. You want

695
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 6: to be able to absorb it, because we've all heard

696
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 6: things where the first time we hear it is like, eh,

697
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 6: that's not working. But by the third time you understand

698
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 6: or you feel, you feel a different way about it.

699
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 6: And if you really respect them, music gonna get You're

700
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 6: gonna give it that two or three times before you

701
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 6: before you come to that judgment, before you're ready to

702
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 6: share that judgment. That's probably the best way to put it.

703
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 6: And so even in college, we'd sit around, well, it

704
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 6: was more like there are more people. There'd be a

705
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 6: music meeting. We take all the albums and everybody was

706
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 6: a sign, like two or three albums and they come

707
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 6: back and say, okay, here the here's the custs we

708
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 6: should play on three hundred and sixty Black experienced that sound. Okay,

709
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 6: we did call it three sixty. Just sometimes it's funny.

710
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 6: Just keep running it all the way down.

711
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: Who's who did?

712
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 6: Don't go dun dunk no, no, no, no no. They

713
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 6: tried to be like the time right after Time came out.

714
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 6: Oh o zone no no no dum dream boy dream boy, yeah,

715
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 6: dream boy, dream boy.

716
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: So I'm you can hear the activator dripping on the floor.

717
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, there were a couple of groups that came out,

718
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 6: like the Time That Struck My Head because that's one

719
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 6: of those songs I remember that. That was that that

720
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 6: we played on like WBR. You was one of the

721
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 6: first people to play that song and it.

722
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: Was you gave them a chance. It was huge, It

723
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: was huge. We're here with our guest president of Programming

724
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Beach Heat Networks, Stephen Hill. We're talking about as humble

725
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: beginnings going to college radio back in the eighties.

726
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 5: Did y'all have like any bear like no hose barges whatever,

727
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 5: black soul or what was okay so whatever?

728
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 6: Yes, which was yeah, we go. Yeah, it's college radio,

729
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 6: but it was real radio. But it was college radio.

730
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 6: But we can play whatever we wanted to as long

731
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 6: as getting curse obviously.

732
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 5: So did it hurt when you had to leave that situation.

733
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 5: I guess it didn't hurt because you you know, more

734
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 5: money and commercial radio, but uh, that life is different

735
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 5: college radio.

736
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you only get three to four years to run it, right,

737
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: you do.

738
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was there for I did it all for

739
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 6: you because it was one of the things you go

740
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 6: on campus. You go on campus like in the back

741
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 6: then they had all the come join the press club

742
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 6: right for the paper, come join the you know, the

743
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 6: poker club.

744
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: And what year?

745
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 6: What period was this between what Brown was eighty to

746
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 6: eighty four? From me, Wow, okay at eighty four, so

747
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 6: I remember where so the cool thing is like I remember, like,

748
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 6: I remember where I was when nineteen ninety nine came

749
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 6: out the day that, the day that, the day that

750
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 6: Thriller came out.

751
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, November thirtieth, nineteen absolutely two.

752
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 6: I went straight from there to Music one forty two

753
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 6: with Professor Kleman was her name. I remember just having

754
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 6: to the album just like this. I'm like, I'm gonna

755
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 6: try to pay attention to this class. I'm gonna try.

756
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 6: I'm gonna try.

757
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you were one of those people that

758
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: were like cut school for a record or loose sleep

759
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: the night before for a record.

760
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah. I remember being mad because because do

761
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 6: you know the date? What day did Triumph come out?

762
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 6: Became a fall of eighty. I don't know the dated.

763
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: It was September because I remember being in in fifth grade.

764
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: It was definitely September of.

765
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 6: Right, so I had just gotten to Brown. I remember

766
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 6: going to like my first or second dance and Shannon Harris.

767
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 6: I remember how fun find Shannon Harris. She had I

768
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: saw an album. I say, wait, is that Mike hold On?

769
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 6: She had the Triumph album. I left the party. Really,

770
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 6: I left the party to try to go to the

771
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 6: record store before because it was it was early. I

772
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 6: left to try to get to the record store before closed,

773
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 6: like one o'clock in the morning, two I could get trump.

774
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 6: I was mad that somebody had a Jackson all before

775
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 6: I did.

776
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: When someone had a record before you did. Oh oh man,

777
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: you just took me back with you. You described my

778
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: wife right there. I used to cry. My aunt had

779
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: asked Rufus by Rufus and for some reason, even there's

780
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: like an asterisk mark when I think of the Rufous discography.

781
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: Even though I was six, I was still musically an

782
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: adult in that household. So she flawing it like like

783
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: what twenty three year old person, It's like a mere

784
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: luke what I got. And she put on that midnight,

785
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: and I was like mad. I was angry see them

786
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: with anger like she would flaunt when she got records

787
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: before I did. I hate it. Yeah, when some one

788
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: got family.

789
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 6: Is worse the worst trick I ever played with my

790
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 6: brother because I loved my brother more than cook food. Right,

791
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 6: my brother is my guy. But when I was nine

792
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 6: and he was six, So we got the first two

793
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 6: Jackson five records on the same day, right, Dania Ross

794
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 6: presents an ABC and I because I wanted the newer one,

795
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 6: wanted ABC. I wanted ABC. I wanted so, so we

796
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 6: go into the record store. I can remember this, I said,

797
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 6: what I god nor exactly what was? It was panmar

798
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 6: in Southeast DC, on on Pennsylvania Avenue up near the

799
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 6: near the Maryland line. We go in there and my

800
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 6: little nine yeld self goes, hey, okay, let's go try

801
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 6: to find them. And we were both trying to find ABC.

802
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 6: I said, hey, maybe if yould go look under it's

803
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: fouled under the under ABC. We're the artists, we're the artists,

804
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 6: are looking at ABC.

805
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: And I feel daughter.

806
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 6: I said, you go look over there.

807
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: That's bad, that's bad. That was wrong. But you misled

808
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: your brother.

809
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 6: I did, I did.

810
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: I did, just so he had his own collection, you

811
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: had your own.

812
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 6: Now he stopped after that one. He stopped like like

813
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 6: that was just like I don't know's brother competitive? But

814
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 6: he wasn't me. He's the sports guy. He loves sports.

815
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, you know he's just.

816
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 6: Now like he's the guy. I uses the test to

817
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 6: find out what songs are really good and really gonna

818
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 6: hit because the idiot factor all completely and I.

819
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Don't know, you never tell the idiot factor the idio factor.

820
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: And I keep him away like he you know, he

821
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 6: wants to take us shows and stuff. I can get that,

822
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 6: but but I don't want him to get anywhere close

823
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 6: because I used him as the is the test? Like

824
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 6: is this you know, he's the guy who's sitting in

825
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 6: the back of the car with the kids singing happy

826
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 6: like he's he's the guy. He's he's that guy. I

827
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: know if it you know, always be my baby is

828
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 6: his favorite Mariah Carey song, Like that's the that's the

829
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 6: that's the he's the he's the pop guy, your litmus test.

830
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: Like what do you think about this? Listen? Yeah, so

831
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm starting to use his kids now, No kids are

832
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: your an rs? That's like that's the kids are yes?

833
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 10: No, Well, I want when I say an RS, it

834
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 10: just means if your kids can sing it, that's when

835
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 10: you know, it doesn't mean if they don't like it

836
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 10: that it's not good or it still won't jam.

837
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 6: But if your kids are singing it, yeah, that's the way.

838
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 6: I won't to go back to. Which So, do you

839
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: remember any of the any of the albums you took

840
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 6: from you took from I'm sorry you borrowed from Brown University?

841
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 6: No no, no, no no no, no.

842
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: Curious you know what. Because I was heavily looking into

843
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: samples and things, I believe that I was more given

844
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: access to the jazz. Oh yeah, sort of the seventies

845
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: jazz stuff. So I know, like there's I think maybe

846
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: the Virgo Red album from roy Aers, you know what,

847
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: Tony Williams Ego, those two records. Like I took a

848
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: lot of the seventies jazz jazz stuff like that's in

849
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: my collection.

850
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 6: And then and there's still The cool thing is I

851
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 6: go back and visit every once in a while, just

852
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 6: and sometimes it let me go on the air for

853
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 6: a minute, which is just I have such a rush

854
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 6: after that. But the album is still on the wall,

855
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: the albums are they still have the album on the wall,

856
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 6: haven't been used for years, they still keep up there.

857
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 6: I love that.

858
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Really. Wow, I gotta make a return, find a new

859
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: home for it.

860
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 10: So how do you go from how do you use

861
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 10: a person like that loves music, you know, wanting to

862
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 10: be on radio?

863
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: How do you get from radio to TV?

864
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 6: Like? How did you?

865
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how do you go there?

866
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 9: Major?

867
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: I assume that was your major.

868
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 6: My major was applied math in economics. Applied math and economics, brilliant.

869
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 6: I spent more time at the radio station. Love you mom,

870
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 6: love you Dad. But yeah, I got out, but I

871
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 6: did graduate. I good, I could graduate. Go ahead, ask it.

872
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 5: No. I was just gonna say, don't you find because

873
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: people are always I was a communications major, So it's

874
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 5: not like you really wanted to switch play with me

875
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: because I always tell people young people, you know what,

876
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 5: take be a business major economics and then just have

877
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 5: an internship learn radio that way because you're really not

878
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 5: going to learn a lot of it in the classroom.

879
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 5: So you perfect right.

880
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was communications major too. I was communications major too.

881
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: I'd say the same thing.

882
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, internships is where you learn everything.

883
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Because but isn't that FV like fall back on this?

884
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: Just in cases?

885
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 6: Doesn't no?

886
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Which one for communications majors? Really?

887
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 8: I mean you do a lot of stuff in class.

888
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 8: But really the only way to learn how to do

889
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 8: to do it, you have to actually do it and

890
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 8: be around people who would right right. So like I

891
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 8: was a communications major, Yeah, I do the thing of it,

892
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 8: so was to Yeah. I did three and a half

893
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 8: years at the college radio station. You know, I worked

894
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 8: on television shows at the campus TV station, And that

895
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 8: was the only way we could learn how to do

896
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 8: stuff because it was to actually do it.

897
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: So what was your major?

898
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 7: Steve Journalism actually interned at DC one on one I

899
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 7: went to Maryland.

900
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 6: So I was interned, Well, you got DC route was

901
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 6: how it was starting there when you were there? No, No,

902
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 6: I was with the grease Man. Okay a long time.

903
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Who's the grease man?

904
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 7: He knows the Howards turned down in d C. Basically

905
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 7: in the.

906
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: Lady Wild Morning Guy.

907
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 7: Well it wasn't the morning show, but he was just

908
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 7: like he was just that, you know, crazy Greaeman, at

909
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 7: least in some circles, is best known for the horrible,

910
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 7: horrible joke that I will tell if you want me to,

911
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 7: but it's really it's a horrible originally offensive.

912
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: Please please offensive.

913
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 6: It was around the time that they were talking about

914
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 6: m l K getting a holiday. I remember, Okay, remember that?

915
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 6: Do you remember? So it was like, uh so let

916
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 6: me get the straight m Ok is going to get

917
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 6: all we get a holiday for m Ok. If I'd

918
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 6: known that, I'd have shot four more and gotten a

919
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 6: whole week off. That was the grease Man.

920
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: That must have been. That must have been a day

921
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 5: Donnie Simpson got his fifty million dollar contract.

922
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 6: D Radio DC Radio has it was was it was was.

923
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 6: There was the variety.

924
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Howardzs.

925
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 6: Thurne was on DC one on one before he went national,

926
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 6: before he came to New York, like he cut his

927
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 6: teeth there. Greaseman was kind of like Howard's thurnish as

928
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 6: you can probably tell them by that.

929
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 7: And by the time I got there, I don't know

930
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 7: eighty nine or something like that, and it was all

931
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 7: computer generated playlists and you know nothing. I was like, well,

932
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 7: I'm too late to this game.

933
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 6: It was past my romanticized version of radio.

934
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was your first radio station outside.

935
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 6: Of wild Boston? It was an AM daytimer station. What

936
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 6: an AM daytimer station is? We just call it solar powered.

937
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 6: There's this crazy there's this crazy rule. The SCC had

938
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 6: that certain because they were trying to make when radio

939
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 6: they were trying to make radio grow. People were allowed

940
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 6: to have local stations, but there were these superstations that

941
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 6: went everywhere at night, like WOWO out of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

942
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 6: I don't know how I remember that WBAL out of Baltimore.

943
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 6: There were these superstations that jacked their power up at

944
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 6: night so they could be heard nationwide. Because radio, you know,

945
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 6: when they were trying to build the radio business, and

946
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 6: so every other every other if you were on that frequency,

947
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 6: you had to get off that frequency at night. So

948
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 6: WBAL had the frequency ten nine to zero out of Baltimore,

949
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 6: and so at night we were wild. We had to

950
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 6: get off. So we were only allowed to be up

951
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 6: from sunrise to sunset. Oh wow, Right, So that was

952
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 6: my first radio station, and the short version of how

953
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 6: I got there. I got out of Brown University. I

954
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 6: tried to get a job in radio. I couldn't do it.

955
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 6: I failed miserably. A year and a half later, a

956
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 6: guy named Robert Hartley was sick. He was during cristmification

957
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 6: at WBRU. They called me said, can you come fill

958
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 6: in for four hours? I said sure. I have been

959
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 6: on the radio on a year and a half I'll

960
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 6: come down. But as I did always, I prepared and

961
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 6: made sure I knew what was going on. When did

962
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 6: a four hour show, thought nothing of it, went back

963
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 6: to my job where I was teaching at Groton School.

964
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 6: Two months later, I get a call saying, is this

965
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 6: Stephen Hill. Yes. I happened to be driving through Providence,

966
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 6: Rhode Island a couple of months ago, heard you on

967
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 6: the radio and wanted to know if you want to

968
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 6: come in. And I got a part time gig at

969
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 6: w I l D. El Roy Smith, who was is

970
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 6: a wonderful program director, wonderful program former boss.

971
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 5: He was your he was my boss when he left Chicago,

972
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: he came to Field, I was morning show.

973
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 6: El Roy Smith was the program director. Yeah, Elroy Smith

974
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 6: was after Kobe.

975
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

976
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, at w I L D. And so I always

977
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 6: I tell people like my career, like if if Robert

978
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 6: Hartley doesn't get sick, if I'm not home to answer

979
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 6: the phone because there were no cell phones at the time, right,

980
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 6: if I if I don't you know, if I can't

981
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 6: go down there and do those four hours, we're not

982
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 6: sitting here. Because I found out el Roy only did

983
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 6: that drive twice in five years. Man, and it just happened,

984
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 6: and it happened to me. I hadn't been on the

985
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 6: radio for a year and a half. I was on

986
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 6: there those four hours. He happened to be driving through

987
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 6: track me down and other hips. Is not for that.

988
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 6: I'm somewhere either teaching or applying math and and economica.

989
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Now, as as a DJ, did you have total control of.

990
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: What?

991
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: No?

992
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 6: No, this college is over?

993
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: Is this?

994
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 9: What?

995
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: What year is this? What year is this?

996
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 6: Is a This is a spring of eighty six?

997
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Okay, spring of eighty six? At this point, the WYLD this.

998
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 6: Is like wild is it now? Even though it's a

999
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 6: daytime station, it's a real money, real money commercial radio.

1000
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: Stak got back up a little bit because you said

1001
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: your previous experience was a fail? How was that a fail?

1002
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: Which one you said?

1003
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 6: When you? Oh, what I tried to get? I tried

1004
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 6: to get a job in a radio when I left

1005
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: Brown in eighty four. But I couldn't.

1006
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: I could You couldn't Like it was just a bad experience, DJ.

1007
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 6: I couldn't get a job I was. I couldn't get

1008
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 6: a job in radio radio or or record labels or anyplace.

1009
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Man. Back then, what were the requirements to to woo

1010
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: over a radio programmer that would bring you aboard, Like

1011
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: what was required?

1012
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 6: I don't know, because I didn't get a job. Seriously,

1013
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 6: I don't know. I thought, you know, I don't know.

1014
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 6: I think it was just talking on the air naturally

1015
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 6: that appealed to l Roy. Like I knew the music

1016
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 6: back then, it was good to have some kind of

1017
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 6: radio voice, and thanks to my mother, who has the

1018
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 6: deeper voice of my parents, I happened to get it.

1019
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 6: So I think it's just that and being able to

1020
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 6: relate and being able to and he didn't know that

1021
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: that I knew or was obsessed with music, but I

1022
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 6: think that helped in the interview, and as I got

1023
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 6: to grow at WLD.

1024
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean I would think, at least in my head

1025
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: or you know, this is a very naive you know,

1026
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: thought like I would figure that, okay, well, I would

1027
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: want people to be knowledgeable about music and all that stuff,

1028
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: because I don't even know what the criteria for today is.

1029
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: But I would think like there were least some standards

1030
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, whereas like you know, you know, it's funny,

1031
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: I think went to that era and where the radio

1032
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: DJ was, well, what you're.

1033
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 6: Saying when an end. I think the real challenge was

1034
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 6: when they changed the ownership rules of radios, right, it

1035
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 6: was ninety six. They changed it two FM's two ams.

1036
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 6: That's all you can own. That's all you can own,

1037
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 6: even in the market, right, And so now people were

1038
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 6: buying radio stations. They had to service all this debt.

1039
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: And so the service that debt, you got.

1040
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 6: To play commercials, and to play more commercials you have

1041
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 6: to have less talk. And so the less talk you have,

1042
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 6: the more commercials you can play. And so you play

1043
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 6: a music and you play just a little bit. Hey,

1044
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 6: that was the That was the jacks was chaking about

1045
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 6: it down the ground right back after this, you get

1046
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 6: in and out, so you play more music, like it

1047
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 6: was just servicing debt. It feels like the way record

1048
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 6: companies with like Warner Brothers was it seemed to be

1049
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: about like an artist development and movement, and then all

1050
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you know, you got to service your debt.

1051
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 6: So you got to sell more records. And sometimes you

1052
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 6: don't get two or three shots at it make it,

1053
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 6: making it big.

1054
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: So quest Love Supreme would be their worst nightmare because

1055
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: we're more talk less music now.

1056
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 6: So so when you know, when I listened to this,

1057
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to laugh because my speech pattern, even in

1058
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 6: this broadcast has slowed down once I realized your pace,

1059
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 6: which is a good thing because my radio kicks back

1060
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 6: in and like you're supposed to get in, get out

1061
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 6: to go and so so in. So even in these

1062
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 6: this time we've been on, I've slowed it down and

1063
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 6: I can go with the conversation and the speed, y'all go.

1064
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: I want to go to a song and have Steven

1065
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: introduce it. Okay, radio style, radio style, all right, I

1066
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: want you to introduce the Jackson shake your body down

1067
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: to the ground now. Just no, there's a rule where

1068
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: you have to do it before like the lyrics starting

1069
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: on it.

1070
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 6: It's called hitting the post. It's called hitting the posts.

1071
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 6: The best song ever Hit the Post two Anita Baker

1072
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 6: sweet Love. Yeah, and you talk about your radio station,

1073
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 6: you talk about what the sunshine is outside and having

1074
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 6: to make it We love.

1075
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: On w I L dude, we're going to have your

1076
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: intro that one. So wait, what is what is? What

1077
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: is a nightmare song? Then? Like a song that would

1078
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: let us short intro?

1079
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 6: Yes, either got no intro. I'm trying to think that

1080
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 6: there was this song that that just would come in

1081
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 6: with the vocals and they edited and.

1082
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Get down on it. Is an example of a song

1083
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: that crazy crazy by a crazy uh Barkley, I don't know.

1084
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah boom boom, yeah boom.

1085
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 6: You can't talk of that.

1086
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a three snare hit.

1087
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 5: And then right and the rules of radio, you have

1088
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 5: to pray that the song before had a long outro.

1089
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah right, oh yeah.

1090
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: But at the radio station, you see like a reverse time.

1091
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: You get to see the clock of No.

1092
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 6: I would not that was my you look you. I

1093
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 6: would research, I would time it myself. I would till

1094
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 6: it myself, not much. And then certain songs us new

1095
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 6: the feeld like.

1096
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 8: For me you got to feel I mean, oh yeah

1097
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 8: back to day, like well back in the day, like

1098
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 8: on the promo forty five. On the timing you would

1099
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 8: have the intro seven second intro.

1100
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, it would tell you, yeah, you would.

1101
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 5: Still have your body. He's a rhythm. You would just

1102
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: know the records and it feels better when you know

1103
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 5: the rhythm.

1104
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 6: Which when we're doing five Sweet Love four three two man,

1105
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 6: I am so happy to be here on quest Love

1106
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 6: Supream this man Stephen Hill. This is my girl, Anita Baker.

1107
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 6: I hope everything's going well in your world today and

1108
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 6: that you have exactly what she's talking about. In this

1109
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 6: song from the Fantastic nineteen eighty six c D Rapture,

1110
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 6: This is a Needy Baker with sweet love.

1111
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 5: Yo Yo.

1112
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 6: That is the best of all the songs I've ever

1113
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 6: heard in my entire life. It's absolutely my favorite song.

1114
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Why do you think have doom rhymes over that? Man? Wow?

1115
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: So man, I was really.

1116
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 5: American shock because he doesn't know that there's a method

1117
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 5: to radio madness.

1118
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect that. This is what I've

1119
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: been trying to impart upon him for the last several

1120
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: months in our fiftieth episode.

1121
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 6: But it's different. Now you don't have to do that anymore,

1122
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 6: inspite me thirteen nah, but but I think it's different.

1123
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 6: People want the information. Like when we when we talked

1124
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 6: through don't go. Then my first visual reaction like, oh,

1125
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 6: you can't do that, well, you can't do that. But

1126
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 6: then when you know we're in a culture where you

1127
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 6: want to hear the information, and there you know, you know,

1128
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 6: kind of pop up video started started that where you

1129
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 6: want the information during the middle of the song because

1130
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 6: you've heard the song, you know, countless times before. So

1131
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 6: if you can get something new while you're listening to it,

1132
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 6: that's that's great. But viscerally when you when you what

1133
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 6: are you doing.

1134
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: Talking over the song? I'm sure there's times where you

1135
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: made a mistake and maybe played a radio editing Oh yeah, well,

1136
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: like if the vocals coming, do you still continue or

1137
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: is it like, uh, let me cut off?

1138
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 6: You go straight to the call letters?

1139
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: What cabout cool?

1140
00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 6: Study outside of WB are you once you hear a voice?

1141
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 6: It's just like.

1142
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: And was your boss always on you about back selling

1143
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: and front selling?

1144
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 6: And ye, no, look absolutely yeah it was part of

1145
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 6: the format you either. I always thought it was cool

1146
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 6: to backsell a song because when I listened to a song,

1147
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 6: when you listen to a song and you like it,

1148
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 6: you you listen to the end and you'll pay attention

1149
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 6: because you're looking to find out what that is. I'll

1150
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 6: never forget the first time I heard another one bites

1151
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 6: the Dust by Queen Right. It was on w k

1152
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 6: Y S and Washington d C. It was on w

1153
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 6: k Y. Yes, I'm like, oh this sound is this

1154
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 6: song is fantastic? Sounds a little bit like she but

1155
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: I'm good And I waited for them to back sell

1156
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 6: and they didn't. I called the radio station. I called

1157
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 6: the radio station. What's that song? It's I know there

1158
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 6: has the lyrics? Another one bites the dust? Who's that buye?

1159
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 5: Like?

1160
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 6: And somehow I don't know how I got through the studio.

1161
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 6: I remember.

1162
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Song, there's another one?

1163
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 6: What do you call another one? Yeah? It's my queen. Yeah,

1164
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 6: but there was a there was an excitement about like

1165
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 6: first of all hearing the song, but then getting through

1166
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 6: it like yeah, but like like I knew it before

1167
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 6: the DJ did, because the DJ whoever's coming on next

1168
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 6: didn't know it.

1169
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm learning now that about back selling and front

1170
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 1: selling words. I never heard of my life yet until

1171
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: this radio show started, and I didn't know the importance

1172
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: of doing that. You know, so to you, that's not

1173
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: a nightmare.

1174
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 6: Or enjoy it because look, the reason I loved radio

1175
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 6: was a lot of it was because you play music

1176
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 6: and you hope they're really attracted to it, so you

1177
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 6: want them to go out. And then it was that

1178
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 6: you want to go out and buy it, but not

1179
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 6: because I didn't profit from it. I just like I

1180
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 6: liked being responsible for you discovering something you dug right,

1181
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 6: and so w ild is urban or as black but

1182
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 6: straight up kind of R and B not go outside

1183
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 6: the lines. It could be before I got there, and

1184
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 6: then you know, Seal had the nerve to put out

1185
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 6: a record when I was there, So the Living color

1186
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 6: Head Head and Tracy chap Tracy Chapman came up with

1187
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 6: the original personal baby, Can I Hold You Right? And

1188
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 6: I remember I would play these songs and the record,

1189
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 6: the labels themselves would be like, that's not the single.

1190
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 6: Why are you playing this? Or you're not playing our

1191
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 6: song by the other rack, but you're playing this. I'm like, oh,

1192
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 6: that's the that's the They wouldn't want you to play no, no,

1193
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 6: it was like, that's not the single we're working. Oh

1194
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 6: oh please, oh please, that's not that's not.

1195
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 8: The single working. But the reason why you playing the

1196
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 8: second cut. But the reason why I used to listen

1197
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 8: to radio was to hear all the stuff, you know

1198
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 8: that wasn't on everything.

1199
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 9: You know.

1200
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 8: I loved when they would play all the album cuts,

1201
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 8: so you know, I would love when they would dig

1202
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 8: out the twelve inch versions of songs and let the

1203
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 8: whole seven minute version of kids play on the radio.

1204
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: So when Sign of the Times comes out, you're not

1205
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: looking to play house Quake.

1206
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 6: And we heard how the exact song you picked, the

1207
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 6: exact song that I once on a Saturday played and

1208
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 6: got a call on the hotline from El Royd. I

1209
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 6: want to be clear. I do't want to be clear.

1210
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 6: I followed the rules pretty well. This is I'm sorry

1211
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 6: I forgot to say so Wildither was eighty six to

1212
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 6: eighty eight when I was a weekend DJ and I

1213
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 6: filled in in the mornings and stuff, and then in

1214
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 6: eighty eight to ninety three I was the program director,

1215
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 6: so I was the boss then, but in eighty seven

1216
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 6: when the Times came out, I was not the boss.

1217
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 6: I was the weekend guy. But I still followed the

1218
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 6: rules have decently, so much so that when I played

1219
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 6: house Quake and I got a call on the hotline,

1220
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 6: which doesn't ring you're in the radio studio, so just

1221
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 6: the big bright red light goes and there's like two

1222
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 6: people who have that phone number too, here's the program

1223
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 6: director and the owner. And when that goes off when

1224
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 6: you're playing, there's no good news coming. There's just no

1225
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 6: and you know you did something wrong.

1226
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: So you just know it.

1227
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 6: So I was hoping he wasn't home or listen, he

1228
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 6: wasn't in the car yet.

1229
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: But Housequake was the exact song that I played in

1230
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: eighty seven. How old is Erroy at this point?

1231
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good question.

1232
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 5: Oh it's got a big difference between the two.

1233
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 6: Oh no, No, I was twenty seven, so he was

1234
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 6: maybe thirty two, maybe thirty two, and.

1235
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: He didn't get it.

1236
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, Elroy's that he's the format guy.

1237
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 6: He's he's he's got success because of this.

1238
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: So what's his mind?

1239
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 6: Uh?

1240
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: Process of Okay, he hears house Quake and.

1241
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 6: It was just not on his list. He knows, he

1242
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 6: knows that that is not in the cards, but he

1243
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: doesn't know that.

1244
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: Some fifteen year old at the laundry Matt is hearing

1245
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: this for the first sign and going out of his

1246
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: mind and no, I gotta buy that record. No, he

1247
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: don't care.

1248
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 6: No, it's not the format.

1249
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: So what does he want? What is he in? What

1250
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: is his what is his idea of success in nineteen

1251
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: eighty seven?

1252
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 6: No, I want to say got it because Elroy was

1253
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 6: really good at playing album cuse that he thought were good.

1254
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 6: That just wasn't one of the ones that he picked out. Really,

1255
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 6: that was right. That just wasn't he That wasn't when

1256
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 6: he that wasn't that wasn't.

1257
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: So he questioned some Prince's artistic integrity.

1258
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 6: No no, no, no no no no no no no.

1259
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1260
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 6: Part of it was playing the singles game that every

1261
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 6: radio station was playing then. But for example, he was

1262
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 6: into let's chill and I like, while the record company

1263
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 6: was still.

1264
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Doing groove me forgot forgot right.

1265
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 6: He had no problem digging into some stuff, just not

1266
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 6: everything and how And Prince wasn't his thing. Prince was

1267
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 6: when it came to that station, I was. Prince was

1268
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 6: completely my thing.

1269
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: And that was the art of the PD too, right,

1270
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 5: don't you think like the RT, the PD was when

1271
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 5: you went outside the box you usually there and you

1272
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 5: picked something that popped, the record company would go, oh

1273
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 5: well maybe Steve and you have something. Yes, And let

1274
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 5: me remind you that el Roy Smith is the same

1275
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 5: person that almost fired me for an interview on Rafael's

1276
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 5: Deep Live. He didn't play that shit.

1277
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, oh that's very fun. Well you didn't clear

1278
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: it through him first?

1279
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean I cleared it. They just want the

1280
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 5: true story. They wanted me to pre record it. We

1281
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 5: Rafael agreed to do a music conference with us. This

1282
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 5: is when his Stacks album came out, remember like that,

1283
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 5: And they did the radio line to me. They were

1284
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 5: like like, okay, so record the interview and we're gonna

1285
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 5: play it. After we start playing the record, and my life,

1286
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 5: your mine went, y'all ain't never playing this shit. This

1287
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 5: is we are hot, hot one old you know whatever.

1288
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 5: So when he walked in the door late, I was like,

1289
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 5: this is the god Rafael Sadik, let's go. And it

1290
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 5: was a really great interview.

1291
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 6: But it just gets the rules, that's it. And sometimes

1292
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 6: in management you just gotta you just have to manage

1293
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 6: in the rules or else everybody will break the rules.

1294
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 6: The reason I knew I could play House Quake is

1295
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 6: because I managed myself within the rules for like a

1296
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 6: full year and I was I was a good I

1297
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 6: was a good employee because I didn't want to lose

1298
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 6: that gig. I loved that gig.

1299
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: So wait, since we have two d C elites of radio.

1300
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I interned at DC one on one.

1301
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 6: Three and a half, we got to cover up.

1302
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: All I want to I want to go off script

1303
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: for a second and do the radio introduction contest between

1304
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: set this out? No, no, no, you are I was

1305
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: not on the air, that was getting coffee.

1306
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 7: I was in charge of the prize room.

1307
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 6: And what's the introduction contest?

1308
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 8: Was this?

1309
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't know? All right, we will start with Stephen Hill.

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Speaker 6: You're doing an introduction, Okay, okay, when we let people

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Speaker 6: know that I have no idea what song about this? Okay,

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Speaker 6: we should, we should set let's set the expectation.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: Hi, my name is Stephen Hill. You are listening to

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Speaker 6: the best music in the world on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 6: Yes you should have this song? Just no two ways

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Speaker 6: about that flashback?

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Speaker 1: Who's that? Oh yeah, oh all right, that was good.

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Speaker 1: I knew that was coming too. I knew that was coming. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. This is for you, like here we go?

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Speaker 5: Heyes, Love Supreme. I'm like EO on your Sunday afternoon

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Speaker 5: And what better way to cruise through road with a

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Speaker 5: little marry on your mind? So no, oh ship, oh.

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Speaker 6: Red light, red light red.

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Speaker 5: It's fake. It's fake. It's face in its say can

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Speaker 5: I go over? It's fain.

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Speaker 1: Avoid to avoid the rent. Stephen won even the engineers

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Speaker 1: even the studio life.

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Speaker 5: So does that mean we're even though since we both

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Speaker 5: sucked up?

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Speaker 1: That was the one?

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Speaker 5: Is that zero zero zero zero?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 1: I want to crack it this. Give me say I

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Speaker 1: did college radio for three years, all right, so you

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Speaker 1: all right, if you were on a radio program, you'll

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Speaker 1: probably the Friday night rap gyms. Maybe wait, do the

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Speaker 1: same rules? The same rules apply for all fourmats, Like,

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Speaker 1: were you guys more lenient on? Absolutely the midnight wrap show?

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Speaker 6: So it wasn't midnight because remember we're a daytimer, so

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Speaker 6: our midtime is like six pm, so midnight is six pm.

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Speaker 1: No save Harbor hours. You Max Mix?

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Speaker 6: I had Max Mix doing the Thunderstorms. Well actually one

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Speaker 6: of the first first mix shows where I gave I

1345
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 6: shaid like dude, just don't get us arrested. Right, It

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Speaker 6: was like an hour at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: nineteen eighty six, eighty seven. That's pretty early for that's

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Speaker 6: pretty early for hip hop hip hop show.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 6: So in Boston you ready, you're ready?

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01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: Yea yea yeah, let's get it. You're ready? Here we go, yo, yeah,

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Speaker 1: y'oll what up?

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Speaker 10: This man fonte font ticle tickettle ticleo right here? On

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Speaker 10: Quest Love Supring, be gonna get into something real fun.

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Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, some real fly, some real funking.

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Speaker 10: This is some randow music, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: And I'm gonna just play it. I'm gonna come back

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01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 10: and I'm a back seller because i just want to

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Speaker 10: get into this record. I've been playing this ship right

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Speaker 10: here on Quest Springs.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 5: The audience I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be like this, people'.

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Speaker 1: What a backsell?

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Speaker 5: What is a backseell?

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Speaker 1: I was like I was with I was like, what

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Speaker 1: the fuck is this? From the Bob Power episode? That's

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Speaker 1: a sentence?

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Speaker 5: Did you not get the song right? No?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know, but I didn't get it wrong. I

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Speaker 1: sure was. I didn't get it wrong.

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Speaker 6: Something new.

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Speaker 1: You can back sell something, so try it's been a while,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, I got one for you.

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Speaker 8: All sook and sooking. Now you're listening to Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 8: This is Boss Bill coming into you Live Ship red Light.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into some oj.

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Speaker 5: Were you trying to figure out what the artist was? No?

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Speaker 1: I just got lost in my words. Scott coming, Scott,

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Speaker 1: how you doing? You're there? Yes, I'm here. What's up

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Speaker 1: all right, ladies and gentlemen. This is Scott yayo or

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Speaker 1: our boss boss Bill's boss. Uh. And also deep in

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Speaker 1: the radio.

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Speaker 6: Uh do you do? You do?

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Speaker 1: You know what we're doing? I do?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, better be alternative these early two thousands. Alternative would

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Speaker 11: be helpful, really well, put some.

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Speaker 6: Silver, put some cake on it.

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Speaker 8: I think, yeah, yeah, you're going disc Well no, because

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Speaker 8: that one starts straighten writing the lyric't but I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying that I'm not object isn't stumping you with the song?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Object is seeing how quick you adjust to whatever.

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Speaker 11: To be clear, you if you were DJ, and you

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Speaker 11: wouldn't be a just you would know what it was.

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Speaker 11: I would listen to it beforehand. I would know my

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Speaker 11: run up.

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Speaker 6: Time well, to be fair. To be fair, I think

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Speaker 6: rock radio had a different rules as well, Like you

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Speaker 6: didn't want to step on the music as much as

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Speaker 6: you didn't want to talk over the music as much

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Speaker 6: as as much as you did in like an R

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Speaker 6: and B. No, the music a lot of us started cold,

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Speaker 6: at least in radio stations.

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Speaker 11: And by the way, if you if you were as

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Speaker 11: good as Steven was earlier when he hit that post.

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Speaker 1: We'd call him a postmaster general. Nice, okay, postmaster in general.

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Speaker 5: You're right, you do know you'll be doing this last right, boss?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this too. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing this as well.

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01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you thought you were going to get away,

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Speaker 1: get away? Yeah, I thought I was going to get

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Speaker 1: away with this? All right? You ready? Yeah? Here we go?

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Speaker 6: Red light, red light, red light?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? It's Scott Riggs.

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Speaker 4: How you doing?

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Speaker 11: It's crazy Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you.

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Speaker 11: The weather out there is nuts. But we've got some

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Speaker 11: good music for you. It's Quest Slap Supreme. Here is

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Speaker 11: the Gorillas.

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Speaker 6: Red light, red light that he's picking your songs?

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Speaker 1: All right, bottle?

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Speaker 5: Who's doing it right now?

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Speaker 1: Because I give him.

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Speaker 6: Blur song too.

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Speaker 1: Actually I'll say.

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Speaker 11: Give him Blur song too, or give him or give

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Speaker 11: him Peter Murphy cuts you up, which is about a

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Speaker 11: three minute leading for him.

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Speaker 1: No, that's hard. Like, if anything, I think the the

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Speaker 1: longer the show is you have to talk.

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Speaker 6: There's a perfect there's a there's like a ten to

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 6: twelve like a perfect there's a perfect amount of time.

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Speaker 6: Like it's too short, it's too bad, too long, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But do you have to talk until the vocals start.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to, but you want, you want to

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Speaker 6: be post master General. Yeah, post Master General comes with

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Speaker 6: a star.

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Speaker 1: So do you practice this at home? Do you practice

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: this at home? There who teaches you this? No? In

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Speaker 1: between songs when you're playing music. I'm really glad you

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Speaker 1: did the show because I forgot you are post master General, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you hit that post, your yoda of postmaster in general.

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Speaker 11: Well, and by the way, you also, it gets hard

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 11: to make it interesting every time, right, Like you can't

1445
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 11: throw out the weather every time. You can't throw out

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Speaker 11: the time every time. Sometimes you're pulling facts about the band.

1447
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 11: Sometimes you're saying what's going on in the city, But

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Speaker 11: you got to fill that with something interesting.

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Speaker 6: And also you got to know the music. But you know,

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Speaker 6: part of the reason I got hired when when word

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Speaker 6: was driving through is because i'd gone through the paper,

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Speaker 6: like I loved hitting the post. That was one of

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Speaker 6: the things I love doing. And to your point, you've

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Speaker 6: got to think of different thing. So I had to

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Speaker 6: know what was going on, something about the music, and

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01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 6: so you kind of plan on what you're gonna say,

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 6: or that you don't you don't script it out. But

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Speaker 6: you know here the here a the beats I want

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Speaker 6: to hit in this intro, or before I start this intro, or.

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Speaker 5: You got a little note right there, a couple of

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Speaker 5: little things you want to say, or.

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Speaker 6: Giving away tickets to the circus.

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Speaker 5: It's really easy. This I got a liner.

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Speaker 1: I gotta give away a liner.

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Speaker 5: A liner is uh. Quest Love is being brought to

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Speaker 5: you by Boost Mobile.

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Speaker 1: Oh where you is?

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Speaker 5: It's like it's like the station business is like, Uh,

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 5: don't forget. We got this festival coming up and we'll

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Speaker 5: be having tickets in the next hour.

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Speaker 11: Make sure we got free comedy tickets to the show

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Speaker 11: coming up this weekend. Come out to NAPA Auto Parts

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 11: on Saturday. Right, we'll give you some stickers.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm ready, I got you ready. You let

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01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: me meditate, all right? Okay, bring on the panic. That's right,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. This is Quest Love of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: It is the midnight hour, and we are paying tribute

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Speaker 1: to the great road Temperton. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh,

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Speaker 1: free hot dogs to the ninth caller who can guess

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Speaker 1: some of the greatest music. This is love. Time's love

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Speaker 1: all right, that wass that was? That was c minus,

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01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: that was minus.

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Speaker 5: All of us who went to school.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, radio is my school. I have a question. Yes,

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01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: that's sort of philosophical question.

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Speaker 7: Almost now, the intro to a song and theoretically the

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Speaker 7: fade out are those specifically meant for radio, for a

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Speaker 7: DJ to be posting up or whatever it's called.

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Speaker 1: Do I think that?

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Speaker 6: Do I think that some creators went into the studio

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Speaker 6: to so that that could happen.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying, if you're making a song that you want

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Speaker 7: to be on the radio, do you create intros specifically

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Speaker 7: for so for what we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Right now I'm going to talk about. I have no

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Speaker 6: idea because I've never created a record, but I would

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Speaker 6: not be surprised if, like, maybe that's some people out,

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Speaker 6: if there were there were people I want to I

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Speaker 6: almost want to think of the Motown area, right. I

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Speaker 6: almost think Barry Gordy sitting there with the with the

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Speaker 6: transistor speaker in his office, is thinking like that intro

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Speaker 6: is too long, like that were the interests too long?

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 6: Or the intro is just right? They'll they'll talk about

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Speaker 6: my record going right up to it. But by the way,

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Speaker 6: but then I thought I was stopping the name of love,

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Speaker 6: and I was like, probably not.

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Speaker 11: Well, posting is all about it's something like that was

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 11: invented by DJs, because your board as hell when you're

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 11: in that studio for fourner.

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Speaker 7: Once it was invented, then we're people who are making.

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Speaker 6: Songs, specifically, specifically.

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Speaker 7: Creating intros with that kind of time.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't they probably could be.

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Speaker 11: I know that at least an alternative and rock they

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 11: started telling us to step out. They were like, don't

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Speaker 11: even talk even if there is an intro, just let

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Speaker 11: it go, or we'll get edit and I'll chop that

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Speaker 11: off and it'll just start with the vocals.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, was there because I grew up or at

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Speaker 1: least became of age where I started hearing, you know,

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Speaker 1: more music, let's talk. Or there was a I remember

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Speaker 1: an issue in Billboard magazine, like during the George Michael

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Speaker 1: Faith period, so like eighty eight eighty nine where it

1524
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: was like the pay to play thing, or like pay

1525
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: us to sell your song, or I remember this issue

1526
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: coming up like eighties, near early nineties, so dependent promoters, Well,

1527
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: just the idea of like, you know, we're not going

1528
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: to back sell or front sell the song anymore. Was

1529
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: there a period in which you got a memo which

1530
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, you no longer have to sell the

1531
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: song or.

1532
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 6: No, no, I've but I you know, I was at

1533
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 6: a kind of a black man owned station that daytime

1534
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 6: in Boston. They would have said no to that any

1535
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 6: other because there's no way they would have not try

1536
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 6: to promote promote the music, right, And I think there

1537
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 6: were some people who were trying to figure out we'll

1538
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 6: call them more shady ways of getting paid around the music.

1539
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 6: And so that's what that sounds like. And so ken

1540
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 6: Nash was never about that.

1541
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So again this is me asking from the most

1542
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: naive standpoint whatever, because I really never spoke to a

1543
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: seasoned radio person. Is radio's existence or is its purpose

1544
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: to promote music? No? What is radios? What is radio's purpose?

1545
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 6: It is to increase shareholder wealth. That's what it's there for.

1546
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 6: That's what it's there for.

1547
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

1548
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 6: Now, so there are people who are in radio who

1549
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 6: love music, who want to make sure that music thrives

1550
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 6: and gets a thrill out of finding the new and

1551
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 6: exposing to other folks. But radio's purpose itself is to

1552
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 6: increase shareholder wealth, and it became more and more of

1553
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 6: that as more of these conglomerates popped up and they

1554
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 6: found wonderful ways of doing it, and there's some cool

1555
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 6: creative stuff that's come out of it, but that's not

1556
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 6: what they're there for.

1557
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: So the cheery on top is that you know, a

1558
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: cat like you and I can discover Return to Forever

1559
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: or weather report or craft work you know along the way.

1560
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: But radio is really about how Chrysler or Toyoda or

1561
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: whatever company it is can sell their products now for

1562
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: a kid, For me, listening to radio at thirteen is

1563
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: the object that you'll play the songs that I love

1564
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: so much that I'll control the dial in the car

1565
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: so that when Dad hears that cool in the Gang

1566
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: Slitch want Liquor commercial, He'll like, yeah, I want some

1567
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, some beer or whatever like.

1568
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 6: So it depends depends on the station. Das was probably

1569
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 6: trying to appeal to your dad. You can DA, You're

1570
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 6: probably trying to appeal to your dad at the right.

1571
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that is the radio targeting

1572
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: a twelve and thirteen year old depends on station.

1573
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 6: I mean, well, today I know.

1574
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: They're because of the artists that are winning now. I mean,

1575
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Rihanna's of the world and the Tailor

1576
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: Swifts of the world are hitting the eleven year olds

1577
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: in the twenty.

1578
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 6: But I guarantee you they're trying to hit eighteen to

1579
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 6: twenty four. Maybe sixteen, but that's not one of the

1580
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 6: sellable demos. But eighteen to twenty four is probably as

1581
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 6: low as you're going, and they believe that, you know,

1582
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 6: the song appeal to a thirteen or sixteen can can

1583
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 6: travel upward as well.

1584
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: So your sweet spot is the sixteen to twenty five.

1585
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 6: Year old for certain stations. For other for like adult contemporary,

1586
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 6: it's older.

1587
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: What's the station that was your highest listenership? Who had

1588
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: the biggest audience?

1589
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 6: WBRU On Sundays we were in Providence, Rhode Island, and

1590
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 6: no one else was playing black music at all. On

1591
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 6: Sundays we would kill it.

1592
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: But you weren't thinking about demographics then, were you.

1593
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 6: We always think about demographics. We were ninety five point five,

1594
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 6: so therefore we were on a commercial part of the dial.

1595
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 6: We were always thinking about demographics always, and we were

1596
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 6: selling eighteen to thirty four at that time, so we

1597
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 6: really wanted to make sure that we were hitting eighteen

1598
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 6: to thirty four. We were. That's I mean, that's one

1599
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 6: of the great things about that station. We had to

1600
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 6: think like a professional radio station. But in doing that,

1601
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 6: we still did you have a much looser format?

1602
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,520
Speaker 1: Did you play a candy girl? If that's the case, absolutely,

1603
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: but eighteen and thirty.

1604
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 6: Four the great here's the thing, here's the thing. So

1605
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 6: we were able to cheat a little bit because there

1606
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 6: was no other competition, so we had a we had

1607
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 6: a captive audience and a loyal audience in a in

1608
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 6: a good way. And you can kind of sell anything, right,

1609
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 6: So for example, for for Candy Girl, we would go

1610
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 6: on there and say, hey, I know you missed the

1611
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 6: Jackson five or having these talented brothers out of Boston,

1612
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 6: so you hit on the emotion of they used to

1613
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 6: like their local and you hope they do well. So

1614
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 6: that's the way you make something like Candy Girl work,

1615
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 6: even though it's not necessarily for eighteen thirty four. So

1616
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 6: just was about, hey, this is a really good song,

1617
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 6: and that as well. You want to find a really

1618
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,799
Speaker 6: good song, but you also want to find.

1619
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: A way that did it make it relevant?

1620
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 6: To make it relevant and make it attach them.

1621
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 5: To They stay and don't turn the channel because they

1622
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 5: don't recognize the song.

1623
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: So if thirty four is the closing get then for

1624
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: for b are you at the time. But I would

1625
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: think the older you are, the more you control the

1626
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: purse strings in the house. So are you not thinking

1627
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: a forty five year old, like if you're in a

1628
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: household the dad who might be forty two, forty three

1629
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: years old.

1630
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 6: So there's money at every level, Okay, there's there's just

1631
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 6: you know, there's money at every level because especially eighteen

1632
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 6: thirty four, you're controlling your own per springs, even though

1633
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 6: it's not as much as the older, older audience, but

1634
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 6: that's why they have I can't think of any station

1635
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 6: that's a that's.

1636
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 5: Ah like the light stations.

1637
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, like anything that says light FM. You can just

1638
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 6: you just tattoo fifty four.

1639
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: I live there all right. The radio edumacation portion of

1640
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: the show. I can stay on forever, but we kind

1641
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: of have to go to DC a little bit and

1642
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: go to BET. So what did you make your excess

1643
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: from radio to uh television?

1644
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 6: Said ild I left IOD in ninety three. I went

1645
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 6: to Dallas to go work at the Tom Joining Morning

1646
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 6: Show was the first executive I was the first executive

1647
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 6: producer of the Tom join Of Morning Show for a

1648
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 6: year and then was that like it was what I learned.

1649
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: I learned.

1650
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 6: I learned how to do Selector, which is a great

1651
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 6: great music program on Sele. Selector is a music programming

1652
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 6: well I use it as a warehouse. Some people use

1653
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 6: to program their stations like it's like you put all

1654
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 6: of your songs in a computer in different categories, and

1655
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 6: then most people ask the computer to spit out right,

1656
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 6: So you in categories in different categories. So in an hour,

1657
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 6: if you play twelve songs, you'll play five heavies, four mediums,

1658
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 6: one brand new and one classic. Does that make sense?

1659
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm sorry.

1660
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 6: That's how radio has been formated. Did you feel conflicted,

1661
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 6: Like no, no, no, no no, But that's what I'm saying.

1662
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 6: So what you do is you put in all the

1663
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 6: number of heavies you have, which is probably which is

1664
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 6: maybe ten, I'm way off of the numbers. But the

1665
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 6: idea is you put in the computer and then it'll

1666
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 6: spit out in the order that you asked. Wanted to

1667
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 6: be in music, and most programmers program their stations that way.

1668
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: So when you say heavies, are you talking about heavy rotation?

1669
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 6: Yes, heavy rotation.

1670
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 5: It minds you. Every radio station uses this saying program So.

1671
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: Ninety four, if you're talking about five heavies in a

1672
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: month's time, are you singing that this song will get

1673
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: played thirty times a day?

1674
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 6: And no?

1675
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: Okay?

1676
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 6: So can I do it differently? Once every two hours?

1677
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 6: So once every two hours a heavy would get played? Right,

1678
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 6: and then now a heavy gets played like what once

1679
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 6: every thirty five minutes?

1680
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: Like I could hear marias Fantasy at least three times

1681
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: in a two hour period on radio or belief. Yeah,

1682
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: that's true.

1683
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 6: I mean that that's probably about the time, maybe two hours, right,

1684
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 6: maybe twice yep. But now it's like it lives won

1685
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 6: every thirty five minutes, once every forty five minutes. Yikes,

1686
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 6: because the measure the way they measure it is how.

1687
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: Did you feel about that? Like did you feel as

1688
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: though the was it just like let's go with the

1689
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: times or was it?

1690
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 6: Well, in ILD when I was a programmer, it was

1691
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 6: you still had to do that because we still wanted

1692
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 6: to keep the audience. But the fun wasn't The two

1693
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 6: new records you got to play right, because right, the

1694
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 6: fun was the two. The fun was the new you

1695
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 6: want to play with hour. It's true, like so you know,

1696
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 6: and when you pick, especially when it's either an album

1697
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 6: cut that nobody else is playing or like still Seal

1698
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 6: and Tracy Chapman and like Living, that was like it

1699
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 6: was like putting on something that the other won't dare right, right,

1700
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 6: That's what it was like.

1701
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 8: Okay, so here's a question. How long would a song

1702
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 8: have been on the station before it hits heavy rotation?

1703
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, you test my memory. Ten weeks? Okay,

1704
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 6: so ten weeks? What works itself up from light medium

1705
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 6: to heavy rotation?

1706
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: And it would stand for heavy rotation for like on average.

1707
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 6: If it was what was the Tony Terry song with

1708
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 6: You With You Tony Terry stayed on for like half

1709
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 6: a year. Oh my god, Tony Terry till to this

1710
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,799
Speaker 6: day is that song would not need to put bullets

1711
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 6: in that thing and it would not it would not

1712
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 6: go down.

1713
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: Well, who determines the life of a heavy rotation?

1714
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 6: So you do research once you Once you have a

1715
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 6: song on there, you no more call out research. You

1716
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 6: call different people and play hooks for them over the phone,

1717
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 6: and you find out how it's selling down at a

1718
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 6: Nubian notion UH in Dudley Square in Boston, and find

1719
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 6: out how it's selling its strawberries and town. And so

1720
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 6: you find out how people are engaging with the song.

1721
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 8: So, if you've ever gotten a promo seating and wondered

1722
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 8: why call out, research took was tracks two and three

1723
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 8: and they were only seventeen seconds song.

1724
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,879
Speaker 1: That's why. Yes, wow, So because.

1725
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 6: We always want to find out, like we're playing this stuff,

1726
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 6: but do they like it? Do they not like it?

1727
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't get off radio acause.

1728
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 5: I was about to ask a radio but kind of

1729
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 5: still transitioning your career question. So once you became a

1730
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 5: producer for the Tom join and Morning Show, were you

1731
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 5: feeling a little bit more is it more free less

1732
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 5: stress situation? Because no, it's not more boss.

1733
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 6: But ninety four it was more stress around music because

1734
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 6: if you remember, a lot of people do it now,

1735
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 6: but back then, only Howard Stern was doing multiple shows,

1736
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 6: multiple stations in multiple cities. Right, Tom Joyner was the

1737
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,480
Speaker 6: first black shock to do it. So it was really pioneering.

1738
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 6: And what you have to do is we started off

1739
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 6: from twelve stations, if I'm not mistaken, So on those

1740
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 6: twelve stations, what you have to do is take all

1741
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 6: the music from those twelve stations and you have to

1742
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 6: find a common denominator for those twelve stations, which is

1743
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 6: just a very very small subset of the music that's

1744
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 6: being played or the music that's out that time. So

1745
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 6: being the music person or one of the people put

1746
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 6: together the music for that was stressful for the times

1747
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 6: on the show because I would get a call from

1748
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 6: who are programming Miami? Because we put on a song

1749
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 6: that Chicago like, but they don't like it. So it

1750
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 6: was really a restricted, restricted playlist, and when it came

1751
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 6: to uptempo songs, it was it was it was difficult.

1752
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: Sounds like a headache.

1753
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 6: It sounds like twelve headaches.

1754
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 5: So then you were ready for b Etcause.

1755
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, anyhow, so I was there for a year

1756
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 6: and then I got an opportunity to go to MTV

1757
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 6: because MTV was hiring people who did radio. They like,

1758
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,879
Speaker 6: we don't care if you don't have any TV experience.

1759
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 6: We're looking for people who know how to program radio.

1760
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 6: So when were you at I was an MTV ninety

1761
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 6: five to ninety nine. February ninety five to April ninety nine, Oh.

1762
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: Right, when were you there doing Fred's period? Fred got us?

1763
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 6: He did? He did?

1764
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: He did, Fred Fred he did?

1765
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 6: Fred was Fred Jordan. Of course, of course I'm not.

1766
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 6: I'm not never mind, I was not connecting that very

1767
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 6: obvious dot. Yeah, Fred Jordan was.

1768
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: Fred Jordan, the late great Fred Jordan. Like one of

1769
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: his last acts of greatness was I'm not just babing,

1770
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, please play my video. Yeah, and Fred got

1771
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: you got me on like medium MTV rotation. Well you're

1772
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: instantly nineteen ninety nine, and it's hard one nine trying

1773
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: to think I was there everywhere. It took MTV a second.

1774
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: By April of nineteen ninety nine, they finally jumped aboard

1775
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: and that really that started. That's when we were like,

1776
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, like five hundred thousand people brought this

1777
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: record like we couldn't believe it.

1778
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 6: Like I'll tell you the record where I realized the

1779
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 6: power of MTV. What Skilo I wish, oh Man Skill

1780
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 6: I Wish was shortly after I got there.

1781
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: I still love this song.

1782
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 6: I love that song. I was like, oh my, like

1783
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 6: it was just fun. It was everything a video should

1784
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 6: be like it was. And one of the things I

1785
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 6: loved it was inexpensive right now was that was the

1786
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 6: time when when budgets on videos were starting to go up.

1787
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 6: And what I loved about it, I was like, no, no, no,

1788
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 6: show people that if you just have a great concept,

1789
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 6: the cool song, you can spend little money, don't have

1790
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 6: to spend crazy money. I love that about it. And

1791
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 6: Skilo went gold, Like Skilo I Wish went gold, and

1792
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, that's that's what MTV can do.

1793
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shortly after I got there, during that time period,

1794
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, MTV gave you regular rotation for at least

1795
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: two or three months. Your life literally literally changed. But

1796
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: what was it like in that system once you got there?

1797
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: What was your position once you I.

1798
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 6: Was a director of music program. Yes, I was director

1799
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 6: of music, not the director because there was there was

1800
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 6: a bunch of us, myself, Lewis Largent, Kurt Stephik, Fred

1801
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 6: Jordan was a manager. Patti Galuzzi ran the rand the

1802
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 6: apartment along with Andy Shown was there when I was there.

1803
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 5: So were you the black guy?

1804
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 6: I was the black guy. I was a black guy, yes,

1805
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 6: but I was I was like the Black Scenior.

1806
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: Were you the ear to the streets?

1807
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 6: No, Fred was always the ear to the streets, right,

1808
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 6: I was.

1809
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: The streets, Yeah, yeah, yes, Baltic Avenue. Yes.

1810
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 6: And Jack Benson to Jack Benson, who was a producer,

1811
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 6: he wasn't on the music team Jack Jack Benson. Jack

1812
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 6: Benson as well, was like, right, yeah, yeah, Jack is

1813
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 6: Jack was. Jack was fighting the good fight long before

1814
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 6: I got there.

1815
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: How would you guys arm wrestled space of what got to.

1816
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 6: I haven't thought about this at all, like.

1817
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: The Motown system where the whole staff sits there and

1818
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: watches the video.

1819
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1820
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 6: Absolutely. Monday we'd have the video meetings. We'd see what

1821
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 6: got accepted, like this is for you, this is for

1822
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty minutes, this is for regular rotation.

1823
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 6: And on Tuesday we'd have the music meeting. Fred eventually

1824
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 6: came into the meeting. Freda wasn't in the meeting when

1825
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 6: I first got there. Kurt Lewis, Paddick Lutzi, Sherry Howe

1826
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 6: and we'd all kind of have it out for what

1827
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 6: what music should be where, and it wasn't. It wasn't

1828
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 6: unlike radio. And that's why they I think it had

1829
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 6: had radio folks come in and do a lot of

1830
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 6: work on MTV, especially when it came to programming the music.

1831
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 6: There are some great ones. I thought we'd you know,

1832
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 6: there's some real misses we had, and one mentioned. Julie

1833
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 6: Greenwald from Atlantic Records, who formerly of Deaf Jam, mentioned

1834
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 6: one at the Revolte conference the other day and she

1835
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 6: put on Instagram and actually commented behind it.

1836
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: Wait, I want to guess good because I'm trying to

1837
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: figure out the mine of Julie.

1838
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 6: It was a miss.

1839
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: It was on Atlantic.

1840
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it wasn't. Remember she was Deaf Jam

1841
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 6: at the time, and they really wanted to come on

1842
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 6: the MTV. I remember New York's Times called it the

1843
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,560
Speaker 6: love song of the of the summer els.

1844
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: What year is this?

1845
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 6: I think it was ninety five, One sweet Day. Nope,

1846
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 6: method of Mary Oh, okay, the method of Mary Oh.

1847
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 6: I need to get by it.

1848
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

1849
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 6: And they brought that video up. They tried to get

1850
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 6: on regular rotation and I was brand new, so I

1851
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 6: didn't know my way around. One of the stories of

1852
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 6: the biggest regrets, And I remember somebody on the team said,

1853
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 6: I remember these words it's too dark in street. Oh

1854
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 6: my god, I was like, I didn't know what to

1855
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 6: do with at the time. I just I was brand new.

1856
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 5: You didn't know what to say in that room at

1857
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 5: the time, right, Like what do you say to that?

1858
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 6: Too early to raise my fist? Like so and so

1859
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 6: we it was it was in yo MTV, but it

1860
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 6: never really got on a full rotation that it deserved

1861
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 6: while it was on there.

1862
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: But but remember it being played a lot.

1863
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 6: But you're saying that it could have been it could

1864
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 6: have been played more.

1865
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't.

1866
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 6: It really was that.

1867
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't.

1868
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 6: You didn't get played on regular rotation that much on MTV.

1869
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: How many how many videos would MTV keeping in heavy

1870
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: rotation at.

1871
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 6: The time, I can't remember. It's somewhere in the low teens.

1872
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 6: I think. I don't think of because Cake was one

1873
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 6: of those something about that video and about that song.

1874
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: It was great. Yeah, I love that song and video.

1875
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: So you weren't dealing with just quote urban videos as well.

1876
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: You you were dealing with.

1877
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,919
Speaker 6: Absolutely yeah, with all formats, all formats.

1878
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 1: How did labels feel about that?

1879
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 6: What do you mean?

1880
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Well, Sylvia Rone told me some stories about how Metallica

1881
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: felt about being their boss. But you know what's what's

1882
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: a label feel about you? If you don't think that

1883
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily working. They kind of want to be like, uh,

1884
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: well let me see what I think. So they they call, uh,

1885
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: who's the president?

1886
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 6: Was not Andy Shoon was running at them, Judy Judy, Judy,

1887
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 6: Judy McGrath was kind of overdall and it.

1888
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: Was sort of like I want to talk to your

1889
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: boss and see what she thinks.

1890
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 6: And that happened every once in a while, but it

1891
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 6: wasn't It wasn't a regular occurrence, and I think people

1892
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 6: understood and respected all different types of music. I think

1893
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 6: people were surprised that I was that that the black

1894
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 6: guy like stuff other than black and music as well.

1895
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 6: I think that came to a shocker to some folks

1896
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 6: at first of the labels. But that was that was

1897
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 6: short lived. It was a great time. That was a

1898
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 6: great time, and at a time when music was was

1899
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 6: was was kind of booming. It was it was you know,

1900
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 6: post Nirvana. But uh but read how Chili Pepper is

1901
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 6: still going and so but.

1902
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 1: How is it dealing? I mean, how's that for you personally?

1903
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: At least trying to not speak two languages. I know,

1904
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: like as a black person, yeah. I mean everyone has

1905
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: to naturally know two languages. The Great Dave Chappelle says

1906
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 1: that you know black men speak uh English, Well, no

1907
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: that we and yeah job interview. So I mean you

1908
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: found yourself often in positions in the boardroom having to

1909
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: prove your pedigree as far as your music knowledge is

1910
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: just well beyond knowing, you know what what the black

1911
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: artists are doing, and.

1912
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 6: Just with anything in any job, you just got to prove.

1913
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 6: You got to prove that you belonged there. It wasn't

1914
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 6: I don't felt like. I don't think it was. I

1915
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 6: had to prove myself anymore, just had to prove that

1916
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 6: I belonged there. I had to talk the language that

1917
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 6: like I know my music, I know I know my rock,

1918
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 6: I know my I know my you know my hip

1919
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 6: hop thinks to and some of that was like I

1920
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 6: also knew what I didn't know right. And that's why

1921
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 6: I have such a such a place for Fred, because

1922
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 6: Fred Fred got it, Fred got stuff. Fred was. It

1923
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 6: hurts to talk about him sometimes he was just he

1924
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 6: was other not otherworldly, but he was just a very

1925
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 6: special guy and that artists loved him, and he understood

1926
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 6: music and he knew what the next trend was. He

1927
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 6: called he called cash money up like a good year

1928
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 6: and a half before it really popped off. He called

1929
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 6: master p before that popped off. He was DiAngelo long

1930
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 6: before d popped off.

1931
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 5: Uh.

1932
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 6: And I know they had a very very very special relationship.

1933
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 6: And so also so part of what was me knowing

1934
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 6: knowing what I didn't know. But so sometimes Fred would

1935
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 6: Fred would come with the Uh. Fred would come with

1936
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 6: the knowledge, and I'm like, great, I'm gonna take this

1937
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,560
Speaker 6: in the meeting and and let's see, let's see what

1938
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 6: we can do with it. Okay, favorite thing is that

1939
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 6: Fred Fred I'm the guy who liked the slow version

1940
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 6: of him my Bed by Drew Hill, and Fred was like, nah, dude,

1941
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 6: the remakeer.

1942
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: So how at this level? Now got to ask, at

1943
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: this level, how do artists handle rejection at this level

1944
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: of your career, people that know that you're connected to

1945
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: the label. I'm not asking for Suge Night stories. I'm

1946
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: just saying that, you know, by this point in the

1947
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: mid nineties, there's definitely a more hostile environment, especially with

1948
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: the uprising of hip hop and where it's come to

1949
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: where you know, it's about dollars and cents in the

1950
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:45,560
Speaker 1: popularity of you know, are you allowed to express I

1951
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm feeling this video or not. And

1952
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, then you're somewhere at dinner in lam and

1953
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: you have to see an executive and you know, how

1954
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: come you ain't playing it? Like how do you because

1955
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: you were so active between that period in the mid

1956
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: to mid ninety to the early arts, like how did

1957
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:10,959
Speaker 1: you handle the juggling act of artists and executives egos?

1958
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 6: So two things. I think One is that MTV we

1959
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 6: always try to find a place for something, even if

1960
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 6: it was just one spin on MTV, on YOUO, MTV raps,

1961
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 6: the weekend version, right, we always try to find a

1962
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 6: place for something that was that was that was our

1963
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 6: that was our mantra, that was our mindset, like there's

1964
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 6: got to somebody's gonna love this. You know, an alternative

1965
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 6: rock could get a play one hundred and twenty minutes.

1966
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 6: So I think people understood were always trying to find something.

1967
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 6: That's one. Two is that I found it was advantageous

1968
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 6: to establish very early that this is a long game.

1969
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 6: I know, I plan on being around for a while,

1970
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 6: so we not We're not going to have this conversation.

1971
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 6: We're gonna have this conversation, but we're not gonna lose

1972
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 6: our relationship over one song because you're gonna come back

1973
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 6: again and you know, so we're let's let's do this

1974
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 6: dance for a long term, because there's sometimes we're gonna

1975
01:32:58,560 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 6: be able to do stuff, do stuff the way you

1976
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 6: want it, and other times we're not gonna. We're not

1977
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 6: going to So I think, and I think everybody I think.

1978
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: So you're saying that they knew not to bite the

1979
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: hand that feeds them.

1980
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 6: I don't see. I mean, I don't think. I don't

1981
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 6: I don't see it that way because it's not a

1982
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 6: matter of biting the hand, Like what what could they do, like,

1983
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 6: you know, not give us the videos or we were

1984
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 6: especially then, you know, there was still a lot of

1985
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 6: music being played on m t V. And so it

1986
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 6: just didn't make it didn't make any and I can't

1987
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 6: remember it came. It came, but someone's ego had to

1988
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 6: get shattered.

1989
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: That was that big. I mean at some point, like

1990
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 1: if Kanya had been around, no, I mean, okay, let's

1991
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 1: take uh okay, you weren't you were going by the

1992
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: time Forever came out, Uh, when when when the Puffies

1993
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: Forever album come out?

1994
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 6: I want to say, no, what came up? Which is, uh,

1995
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 6: did Forever have a which was hate Me Now?

1996
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: That was?

1997
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 5: That was.

1998
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: But do you have a hate Me Now story?

1999
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 6: Oh?

2000
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 5: That was a Stout?

2001
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: So is there a good Steve Stout story?

2002
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 6: Steve Stout story I think has been told that is

2003
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 6: there a good Puffy story? Well, my last week, my

2004
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 6: last week get MTV, there was an executive from Bad

2005
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 6: Boy that while puff was going his route, they were

2006
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 6: right across the street actually in the building that we

2007
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 6: exist in right now, and came across to fifteen fifteen

2008
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 6: Broadway with a couple of very very large gentlemen. Uh,

2009
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 6: to facilitate his movement. Executive came over to try to

2010
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 6: you know, to intimidate, to intimidate people in the music department.

2011
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 6: Now I don't want to use any proper nouns, but

2012
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 6: there was there was a guy will we'll call him Bob,

2013
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 6: Bob who was who was new and was running the

2014
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 6: department and and wasn't used to this type type of activity,

2015
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 6: right was used the type of activity and so I

2016
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 6: and Fred understanding that this activity was not going to

2017
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 6: bode well, for the long term. Again, this is about

2018
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 6: a long term play. Yes, there was a mistake made

2019
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 6: about playing and this was about playing the video with

2020
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 6: NAS and Puff and someone he was on a cross

2021
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 6: and they weren't supposed to.

2022
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say the controversy was the

2023
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: fact that Puffy didn't want to be seen as on

2024
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: the cross.

2025
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 6: That is correct, That is that was controversy. That was

2026
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 6: the controversy. He did not want to be seen as

2027
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 6: on the cross.

2028
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 1: Why did you shoot it?

2029
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 6: Well, because by the way I and I support that,

2030
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 6: you don't edit in the field. You edit in the room, right,

2031
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 6: and you make so you can make decisions, don't. You

2032
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 6: can't go like, oh, we should have shot that.

2033
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: So he didn't get final say he did.

2034
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 6: There was a mistake, There was an there was a

2035
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,839
Speaker 6: there was a so there were standards issues where standards

2036
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 6: means like, oh, you can't do that because that's going

2037
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 6: to get us, you know, in trouble, and there's creative issues.

2038
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 6: So in that all the standards issues were taken care

2039
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 6: of in the edit. Puff being on a cross wasn't

2040
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 6: a standards issue. It was a creative issue. The creative

2041
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 6: issue didn't get taken care of and so it aired

2042
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 6: with puff on the Cross, you know, right, the puff

2043
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 6: stouts thing. I don't I can't talk about that because

2044
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 6: I wasn't there that that's documented. But a couple of

2045
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 6: folks came across the street and like.

2046
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: What went on.

2047
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 6: Now, the part the problem, of course, was there's nothing

2048
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 6: that could have been done. You can't untake it off,

2049
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 6: you can't have un people unsee it. So that wasn't

2050
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 6: really that wasn't a good use of force. It just

2051
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 6: wasn't a smart use of force. It was just a

2052
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,440
Speaker 6: use of force out of anger, not out of intelligence

2053
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 6: or thinking it.

2054
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, why were the unsavory

2055
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: gentlemen at fifteen to fifty Broadway and not at the

2056
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: editor's post or.

2057
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 6: Closer access.

2058
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: So are you saying that they called you guys and

2059
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: said stop playing the video, and you guys said nope, no,

2060
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: that's the point.

2061
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 6: The point is all they had to do is say,

2062
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 6: don't play the video. Wouldn't play the video again the

2063
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 6: first The fact they played in the first place was

2064
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 6: a mistake. We knew that it was. It was out

2065
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 6: of emotion. So it was Sonny Qualleone, not Michael. That's

2066
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 6: the best way to put it.

2067
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 8: So the video came had the video had to have

2068
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 8: come from the label, right, yes, so somebody at the

2069
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 8: label screwed up so.

2070
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Or in a way yes, so like did the label

2071
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: does not have the right they did not have the

2072
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: final version? Or did they said too?

2073
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 6: I think if I remember correctly, you test my memory,

2074
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 6: I think we had two versions. The wrong one got

2075
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 6: played because I remember it was a creative issue, not

2076
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 6: a standards issue. So we had the one that that

2077
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 6: and the one that got played was the one that

2078
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 6: took care of all the standards issues. And so that's

2079
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 6: how the that's how the wrong got played. But I

2080
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 6: think that was the one and only time it was played.

2081
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 6: There was no there was actually nothing to be gained

2082
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 6: by coming over and doing that, right because except and

2083
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 6: and sure enough I've talked about it. You know, you

2084
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 6: play for the long you play for the long ball.

2085
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 6: That damaged the relationship. And that was literally my last

2086
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 6: week at MTV. Not because of that, that was just

2087
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 6: it was scheduled at all. We're rid of the last

2088
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 6: week and I've always I'll take this moment and say

2089
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 6: I was I loved MTV and being there. It was

2090
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 6: very cool, even after I announced where I was leaving

2091
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 6: and where I was going, they let me stay, Like

2092
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 6: I remember, let me finish out the week. It wasn't

2093
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 6: like close up your laptop and close computer to leave

2094
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 6: right now. And I've always I was. I always had

2095
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 6: a loft foot up for that.

2096
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: So at the time, was BT part of the uh

2097
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,879
Speaker 1: Viacom conglomerate over the independent.

2098
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 6: BT was independently owned, was privately owned. Bob Johnson, of course,

2099
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 6: is the person who founded it. He had taken it

2100
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 6: public and then taken it private again, so he he

2101
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 6: was the major shareholder or it was. It was privately

2102
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 6: owned at that.

2103
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: Point in time, and you felt like that was a

2104
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: better move or a better that's what you know.

2105
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 6: I I here's where I put it. I put I

2106
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 6: decided to put my job where my mouth was right.

2107
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 6: I looked at it. I looked at it and said like, oh,

2108
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 6: maybe could be a little bit better or do a

2109
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 6: little bit different. And I knew that there was some

2110
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 6: different ways that labels were treating BT and and MTV

2111
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,560
Speaker 6: at the time, and so there was just an opportunity

2112
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 6: to to make a change. And so it was in

2113
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 6: the beginning.

2114
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts of BT, like, did you see

2115
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 1: it as the kind of the kid redhead step style

2116
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: of the videos.

2117
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 5: Showing immediately say I have to change that, or like we.

2118
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 6: Can step this up a little bit or that sort of.

2119
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 6: I think it was more we can we can step

2120
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 6: this up? You know, I knew it was it was.

2121
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 6: It was handcuffed by being in d C. Being in

2122
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 6: DC was a great thing for because when Bob needed

2123
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 6: to get stuff done on Capitol Hill, that was the

2124
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 6: perfect place to be. But to be to really be

2125
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 6: an entertainment a player in the entertainment world, it was

2126
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 6: tough being in DC.

2127
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 1: So it was kind of the motown Detroit.

2128
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but except except the talent lived in Detroit,

2129
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 6: so that was great. The talent coming to d C

2130
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 6: was always a bit of a challenge, like it was,

2131
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 6: you know, it's out of the way, right and so

2132
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 6: one of the first things in my interview I was like,

2133
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 6: but what do you think about moving some parts of

2134
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,839
Speaker 6: your stuff to New York? And so were they receptive

2135
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 6: or yeah? Within within a year we I got there

2136
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 6: and I got there in June April April May of

2137
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 6: ninety nine, and we kicked off one of six park

2138
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 6: on September September eleventh, two thousand. I was in the room,

2139
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 6: like there was a bunch of us, but yeah, but

2140
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 6: but yeah, there.

2141
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: Was a I remember there was talk amongst us, you know,

2142
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: my peers, that you know, they're going to have a

2143
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 1: black TRL. I was like, how is that going to work?

2144
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: And you know I could have I couldn't imagine such

2145
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: a thing, and so yeah, yeah it actually worked.

2146
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 6: It was, it was yeah, it was. It was live

2147
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 6: TV New York. A J and Free a J was

2148
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 6: actually supposed to be a J was actually we were

2149
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 6: we were getting a J to help us find posts.

2150
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 6: And then I saw how we how we how we

2151
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 6: work with people and how people reacted to him. I'm like, no,

2152
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 6: that that's you.

2153
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 5: Because AJ and he went to like Howard is THEFF

2154
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 5: because I J and ali Al used to work against

2155
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 5: the wall right on Howard, Who's yeah, yeah, we used

2156
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 5: to go in high school. We went to Bannkers, so

2157
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 5: we would go down there. But he would make us laugh.

2158
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 6: Yeah he's still doing it. He's still doing that today.

2159
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 6: And then free Free actually was a Free was an

2160
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 6: intern at w I L D in Boston. I know

2161
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 6: I knew Free seen she was fifteen sixteen years old.

2162
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 6: Oh wow, and always had that personality. She was down

2163
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 6: with the quad CFS clue with the she was.

2164
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Yes, she was Oh yeah, she was marine.

2165
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 6: That's right, Mariet, That's right.

2166
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the free.

2167
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:42,640
Speaker 6: Girl w PGC sister absolutely absolutely shout to a j

2168
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 6: N free Wow.

2169
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: What damn?

2170
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 5: There must be something, you know what, you must be

2171
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 5: very proud. You have some some great talent that's come through.

2172
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,719
Speaker 5: And all my kids like AJ has really done it, Rocky.

2173
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 6: Has done it, Roxy, Terrence is killing Terrence is killing it.

2174
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 5: I mean really tickets killing it on his own little

2175
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 5: way too, you know what I'm saying. So wow, Jo, Yeah,

2176
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 5: a lot.

2177
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 6: So where kids?

2178
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 1: So at this point, like how do you besides the

2179
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: New York recommendation, Like what's the reception to you kind

2180
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: of coming in shaking things up?

2181
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 6: Or was it.

2182
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: It was Jed read like the Art of war to

2183
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: figure out? Like can you even talk about this?

2184
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 6: I can't because because it was it was people wanted

2185
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 6: to you know, Deborly and and and and and Bob

2186
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 6: Johnson really wanted to want to change. They wanted to

2187
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 6: be a kind of a they want to be bigger player,

2188
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 6: bigger players in the game, and so they were absolutely

2189
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 6: open to change and and and and and and uh,

2190
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 6: you know, for example, there only used to be like

2191
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,599
Speaker 6: like six months a year, and the rest of them

2192
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 6: were repeats throughout the summer, so you could you could

2193
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 6: change the videos, but the but the but the interviews

2194
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 6: were sometimes like four months old. And so one of

2195
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 6: the first things we did was was, Okay, was going

2196
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 6: to keep some of the music up all year. Get

2197
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 6: great personalities, hits from the street, you know, hits from

2198
01:42:58,200 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 6: the streets. Still one of my favorite people in the world.

2199
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 6: Hits from the Street literally came from I got second

2200
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 6: week there. I'm having meetings with people and have this

2201
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 6: meeting with a group of people and uh, everybody leaves

2202
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 6: accept him. I'm like, oh, you in this department saying no,

2203
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 6: I just came in for the meeting. I heard you knew,

2204
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 6: I'm your guy, I'm funny, and I do this and

2205
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 6: I'm like, and somebody's told me not to kick him

2206
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 6: out of the office. And so I said, Okay, here's

2207
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 6: what I need you to do. I need you to

2208
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 6: take get a cam quarter, big ass cam quarters in

2209
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 6: the day and just go somewhere and for half an hour,

2210
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 6: just play with people, right, just just just get's interact

2211
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 6: with people. He said, I don't have a camcram quarter.

2212
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 6: And I said, if you really want this gig, you'll

2213
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 6: find a cam quarder, right, And so he went and

2214
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,799
Speaker 6: got a cam quarter and went down to Union Station.

2215
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 6: And I don't remember every one of his bits. Number one,

2216
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,560
Speaker 6: I never watched the whole tape. Number two, one of

2217
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 6: his bits was going to somebody, you know, play listen,

2218
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 6: I'm getting I'm getting the I'm getting my friend a

2219
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 6: birthday gift. You look about the side. Would you mind

2220
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 6: trying it on for me? Just see see if it fits?

2221
01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 6: There's no problem, and he pulls out a condom and

2222
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 6: so literally the first fifteen minutes, first fifteen minutes of

2223
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 6: that tape were so fun. I never looked at the

2224
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 6: last fifteen minutes and we we oh my gosh, I'm

2225
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 6: just remembering. So when I came there, they had already

2226
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 6: ad sales. The ad sales team had already sold the

2227
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 6: titles of the shows, and so I was stuck with

2228
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 6: the titles of the shows. But I could do whatever

2229
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 6: I wanted to with them, right, So Hits from the

2230
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 6: Street was a title I had to had to use.

2231
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:28,720
Speaker 6: It didn't matter what the show was. The show had

2232
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 6: to be called Hits from the Streets. And so since

2233
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 6: I had that title, I just called him Hits. We

2234
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 6: just called him hits. The show Hits from the streets,

2235
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 6: and so we sent him on the streets, and so

2236
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 6: we becme Hits from the Streets. Ceta's original name was

2237
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 6: jam Zone Jam Zone Time. It was way ahead of

2238
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 6: her time.

2239
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like the black Max head Room yet

2240
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: of Okay, bad reference, but okay, I always watch your

2241
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: face to see if it was too.

2242
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 5: No, I agree, but she's a little bit more comfortab.

2243
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, she got she she got away with saying stuff that, like,

2244
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 6: you know, a live person couldn't have done, couldn't have done,

2245
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,599
Speaker 6: couldn't have done because there was somebody coming and break

2246
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 6: the mystery.

2247
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 5: Who was she?

2248
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 1: I met her, you know, Troy.

2249
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 6: Her name is Kelly Troy.

2250
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: She told me close my eyes and then she started

2251
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: talking like yeah, but her voice is like nothing like that.

2252
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no. The name Ceda came from the

2253
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,600
Speaker 6: person who actually drew the design for the for for

2254
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 6: the character Cita. That was her name.

2255
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 1: It's time for a Cedar revival. I'm sorry. I wouldn't look.

2256
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 6: Different, more like you saw by the way, and it

2257
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 6: was I thought it was brilliant. The person somebody put

2258
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 6: together the B T Harlem shake when that was the

2259
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,760
Speaker 6: big thing, and all of a sudden, the dude the

2260
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 6: Harlem shake and Ceda comes in going from left and right.

2261
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 6: I was like, that's championship move right there, Yo, I.

2262
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 5: Gotta ask you because one thing about you. I mean,

2263
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 5: people watch BT, they see you periodically, but you always

2264
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 5: look like you are having a ball. Like when was

2265
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 5: the first time and this gig when it was like official,

2266
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 5: you were having a ball. You were loving this job.

2267
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 6: This is it.

2268
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: He's always like always from the beginning, because I always

2269
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 1: see you at concerts.

2270
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, even at the Police when the Police reunited.

2271
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 1: That's right, when yes, two black guys in the audience

2272
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: jumping their asses off and the whole audience was like

2273
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: too cool for school and that's right.

2274
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 6: And by the way, and man, because because Stuart Copeland

2275
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 6: wasn't playing it like you did on the record.

2276
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 1: I know, but they were, you know, these something they.

2277
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 6: I was waiting for that.

2278
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: Just for the fact that they were there. That was

2279
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 1: enough for me.

2280
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 5: It was so how do you do this, Steve, And

2281
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 5: this is interesting because you have such a dynamic like

2282
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 5: music taste and now you're at BT Like it was

2283
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 5: different when you were a MTV you had this, you

2284
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 5: had that. Now it's a little bit more of a box.

2285
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 5: It's just a big box, but it's a little bit more.

2286
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 5: But how do you survive in that? And then at

2287
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 5: the same time you have to create standards for what

2288
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 5: you're going to do in that box because it wasn't

2289
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 5: like it was like your college show where you just

2290
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 5: played black music, you know what I mean? You had standards.

2291
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 5: So how did you survive with this mentality of free

2292
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 5: music life in this box?

2293
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 6: I'm not sure I understand.

2294
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to ask, like, how do you

2295
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: reconcile the ship you like versus the ship you have?

2296
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was trying to make it sound real pretty.

2297
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 6: There's a lot of there's a lot of people who

2298
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 6: who have to work. Now, that's not gonna sound right

2299
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 6: like I love this music thing. I love this music,

2300
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 6: I love I love television, but my heart is my

2301
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 6: heart is in music and so the fact that I

2302
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 6: get to work in music at all is just the

2303
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 6: greatest thing in the world. I still have hobby. You know,

2304
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 6: I'm still going to go see you know, Radiohead. Traveling

2305
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 6: around the world to see Radiohead is my thing.

2306
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: That's my thing.

2307
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 6: It will never be my it won't be my job anymore.

2308
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 6: It was when as an MTV I could make that

2309
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 6: that but but it's I just love doing it.

2310
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 5: So so you're really living still living your life. Like

2311
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 5: basically I feel like like a black radio person, whereas

2312
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 5: like we do have other tastes. But however, at my job,

2313
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 5: this is.

2314
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 1: What you do.

2315
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, But also you try to you

2316
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 6: try to try to put not my taste but part

2317
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 6: of the cool thing. I never never lose the desire

2318
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 6: and the love of like, oh shoot this brand new

2319
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 6: like Anderson pack on the on the BET Awards year,

2320
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 6: not painting many people who knew who Anderson.

2321
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thankful for thank you for that.

2322
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, it's the it's the thing we

2323
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 6: love to do. Do we we put on the BT

2324
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 6: Awards like we want to find two people that nobody

2325
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 6: knows about and hopefully people will put people will people

2326
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 6: will pick up on it.

2327
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that you know, because uh, I had

2328
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 1: a group at one time, Little brother not ringing, ringing, Uh,

2329
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 1: you know ues And at the time, there was a

2330
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 1: we had a video and it was the rumor was

2331
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 1: that it was we we got from BT that was

2332
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,639
Speaker 1: too intelligent for the listeners.

2333
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 6: I spent years trying to track that down, like like

2334
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 6: literally they just did no joke, no, no, for real,

2335
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 6: because that made no sense to me because given and

2336
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 6: I don't remember the exact time period, but like this

2337
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 6: part about always wanting to expose and go new directions

2338
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 6: of music is not new. And so for us to

2339
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 6: anybody say that's too intelligent just flies in the face

2340
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 6: of everything that I had done in my career and

2341
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 6: that that our team wanted to do. So and I

2342
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 6: swear to go except like who said to anybody on

2343
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 6: the team that was too intelligent? I never found out

2344
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 6: who that was.

2345
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 10: No, I mean we didn't either, and I mean after

2346
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 10: a while, it was just whatever on the internet. It

2347
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 10: really could have just been something that came out of

2348
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 10: a fucking internet form or form or whatever. Yet, right,

2349
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 10: so my question was, do you think now you know,

2350
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 10: a group like a Little Brother. I mean it's not

2351
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 10: about me, but just like a group like that, do

2352
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 10: you think they have more because from what I've seen.

2353
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 10: It seems to me like y'all have more leeway now

2354
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 10: in terms of like getting the Anderson Park and the

2355
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:55,640
Speaker 10: stuff y'all doing with the ciphers, you know what I mean.

2356
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 10: It seems like y'all have more leeway now to really

2357
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 10: put new people on than you did, say, ten years ago,

2358
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 10: like when we were kind of doing I mean, that's

2359
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 10: how it seems to me.

2360
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 6: So we have to do it in a different form

2361
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 6: because again, like like radio, when we were doing you know's,

2362
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 6: there's tons of videos that I've loved that we just

2363
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 6: couldn't play. There's far more good music than there are

2364
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 6: slots to put it in when you're trying to programming

2365
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 6: it on radio. You know, I saw, I saw you

2366
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,679
Speaker 6: crinkle your eyebrows when I say like twelve and twelve

2367
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 6: specific an hours, five heavies. But that's that's just the

2368
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 6: reality of the business. But on the Ciphers, on those

2369
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 6: music matters, slots that we that we did, that we

2370
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 6: do on the BT Awards, that's when we get to like, Okay,

2371
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 6: we can't do it repeatedly like we do with videos,

2372
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 6: but we can show people like this is some dope

2373
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 6: stuff you should know.

2374
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, you should You should know this. What is the

2375
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 10: challenge for y'all in terms of like staying relevant which

2376
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 10: is a word that I hate, but I think you

2377
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 10: understand the context of what I mean. You know, in

2378
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 10: a in an era where we live in where you know,

2379
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 10: videos and stuff are pretty much on demand now, and

2380
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 10: you know, just the way that people consume music is

2381
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 10: totally different, and there's so much more. You know, you're

2382
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 10: a network, but you're competing with celebrities on Snapchat, you

2383
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 10: know what I mean, How how do you adapt to

2384
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 10: that we've had?

2385
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 6: I mean, when it comes to music, there's there's the

2386
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 6: music on BT right now is really it's in our

2387
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 6: it's our tempoles and our award shows. A lot of

2388
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 6: there's some stuff on Centric. We have BT Jams, which

2389
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 6: is still completely video uh BT Soul as well. But

2390
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 6: the idea of playing videos on on BET propers is

2391
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 6: it's a tough thing to do now. We don't have

2392
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 6: any video shows on on BT like V Yeah, yeah,

2393
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 6: because because to your point, everything's moved online. You know,

2394
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 6: you used to sit around with man Man when that

2395
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 6: new Little Bow Wow video comes on, We're sitting right

2396
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 6: in front of that TV. I'm gonna be right there,

2397
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 6: and now it's like, you know.

2398
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: I can use exactly you see it. There's there's no

2399
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: As a result, you lose some of the discovery that

2400
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: comes along with.

2401
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 6: But I'm fascinated by folks like like like Chance the Rapper.

2402
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 6: I love seeing here what I love. I love seeing

2403
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 6: Chance the Rapper at the top of the this thing

2404
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 6: comes out that you know, the top songs being played

2405
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 6: at radio, and it has the name the song and

2406
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 6: the artist and the number of weeks it's been on

2407
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 6: and the label it's on.

2408
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 1: Right.

2409
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 6: I love seeing Chance the Rapper and having no late label.

2410
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,679
Speaker 6: That was That was fantastic. The last thing I remember

2411
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 6: that happening was Drake, the best I ever had before

2412
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 6: before he signed. Right, that's the last number one without

2413
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 6: a label. So there's just different ways, you know. I

2414
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 6: think somebody's going to make a whole bunch of money

2415
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 6: when they figure out how to harness that. Okay, how

2416
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 6: do you how do you reach critical mass at the

2417
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 6: same time on the internet. I don't think anybody's really

2418
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 6: done that successfully repetitively yet, But there's these things that

2419
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 6: break through and it's just it's fantastic to see hurts

2420
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 6: our business as a music lover, and I'd love to

2421
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 6: have more music on B E T proper. You know

2422
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 6: it's above for me, but I love but for the game.

2423
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 6: I love the people can do that. I love the

2424
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:01,679
Speaker 6: people don't have to be dependent on a distribution source

2425
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 6: to get their music.

2426
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:08,200
Speaker 1: Hurt So in your world, what is the perfect what

2427
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: what's the what's your vision of Okay, now, especially now

2428
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: that you're president, like, what is the vision two? Make

2429
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:19,759
Speaker 1: it perfect?

2430
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 5: Like?

2431
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 1: What is your perfect vision of B E T?

2432
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 6: It's good to make to make entertaining programming. The people

2433
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 6: are either doubled over in laughter with or all up

2434
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 6: engaged in the drama. Right If I can do being

2435
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,759
Speaker 6: married Jane times three in Real Husbands of Hollywood times

2436
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 6: four while doing things like Charged the DA versus Black America,

2437
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 6: which we did last night, you'd be stunned how many

2438
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 6: people don't know what a DA does, who their d

2439
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 6: d A is or or or how they can elect them. Right,

2440
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 6: and yet the DA has more to do with how people,

2441
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 6: how people go to get charged and go to jail

2442
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,080
Speaker 6: than the police. Everybody's focused on the police, and for

2443
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 6: an American interaction, it's all about the DA. All the

2444
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 6: police do is deliver you to the door, right, the

2445
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 6: DA decides whether what you have in your pocket is

2446
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 6: going to get you probation or a twenty year or

2447
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 6: get charged for twenty years. And so when we get

2448
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 6: to do programs like that, I love that as well.

2449
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 6: We did we did I think a great show on

2450
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 6: on OJ Simpson when we talking about O J. Simpson

2451
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 6: and we went back to the hood where O J.

2452
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 6: Simpson came from and went from that perspective. So if

2453
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 6: you can get people to think about your programming plus

2454
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 6: double over laughter and be involved with the drama, that's

2455
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 6: the thing. And then of course the big award show.

2456
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 5: So how do you On a smaller note, I'm just curious,

2457
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 5: how do y'all decide what you're gonna syndicate because I

2458
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 5: know you guys have like Wendy Williams and I think

2459
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 5: you do scandal.

2460
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 6: I thought you used to do scan.

2461
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's just interesting too, because I always thought

2462
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 5: it was interesting what shows you decide to do that,

2463
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 5: which is BT now has so many original programming, But.

2464
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 6: How did you There's a lot of hours in the

2465
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 6: day and you gotta fiell. I think every kind of

2466
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 6: all cable stations are building that model of you. You

2467
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 6: you you syndicate a bit, you do a little bit

2468
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 6: of original programming, and then sometimes you do do some

2469
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 6: tenpoles and so you know, with that same thing we wanted,

2470
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 6: you know, we got Scandal because that was drama that

2471
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 6: everybody was all up in at the time.

2472
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I thought that was really soon that that

2473
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 8: started was being syndicated because it was like.

2474
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: One of the Yeah.

2475
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 6: But but but that's the way, that's the way it's happening.

2476
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 6: Now things are coming on, things are coming on getting

2477
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 6: syndicated sooner. But but there's challenges around that because now

2478
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 6: you can find almost like with with videos, you can

2479
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 6: find them wherever you want to, on your device or wherever. Yeah,

2480
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 6: well I would have lost that. I don't have lost

2481
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 6: that fight. I would I would have lost that beat.

2482
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 6: Ten years ago, someone said, ten years ago, I'm gonna

2483
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:35,480
Speaker 6: give you something the size of your phone, and you're

2484
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 6: gonna watch a video, not just a video, but you're

2485
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 6: gonna watch something for in half an hour, two hours

2486
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 6: straight on this No, no, no, it's not gonna happen.

2487
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 6: But I lost that. I lost that. I lost that one. Yeah,

2488
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 6: I like scandal you did.

2489
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:53,879
Speaker 5: It's not an original program in Steve, you gotta.

2490
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 7: It's syndicated, alright, he likes it.

2491
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 1: Hey, Mikey be like, so I would be remiss if

2492
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 1: I didn't bring up kind of the the the contra

2493
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: well not the controversy, but I mean, obviously in some

2494
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: people's eyes, they you know, there's people that like, thank

2495
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 1: God for BT, and they focus on stuff I want

2496
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 1: to see, and then there's another Yeah, the critics, the criticism.

2497
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 10: First of all, I hate that BT Young Cut went away, know,

2498
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:34,840
Speaker 10: and I'm gonna tell you why.

2499
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm be just keep on hunting with you.

2500
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 10: I like BT Young Cut because it came on at

2501
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 10: a time when no children should be up anyway, you

2502
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 10: know what I mean, And so like it came on, So.

2503
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: I was one of the supporters, you know, regardless of whatever.

2504
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 10: I was one of the people that defended BT for

2505
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 10: I'm like, listen, we all watch these songs.

2506
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 1: It birthed us some of the greatest songs.

2507
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 6: What that Thing Smell Like?

2508
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:01,320
Speaker 1: Come On by Black Jesus On the personal favorite of mine,

2509
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

2510
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 5: They had a whole open episode about y'all, like that's amazing. Yeah,

2511
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 5: I mean they brought on the.

2512
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 8: Girls, and there was there was a rumor, like I

2513
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,200
Speaker 8: guess a year or so ago that bt.

2514
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 1: Cut was coming back.

2515
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 6: April Fool's joke, but split between people who are like, ah,

2516
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 6: that's very funny, people like I can't believe way back.

2517
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 8: But wait, wait, wait the way cable television is now

2518
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 8: actually because I mean like the Fax and A, A

2519
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 8: and E are being very, very more relaxed about language nudity.

2520
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:47,600
Speaker 6: It would never work because you get it online right now.

2521
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 6: That's that's the only reason it would never work. It's

2522
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 6: it's available everywhere.

2523
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 1: Now.

2524
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 6: That's that's the that's the you know, it wouldn't be

2525
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 6: a surprise now, it wouldn't be a shock now if

2526
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 6: it were on, But it just wouldn't rate well.

2527
01:57:58,520 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

2528
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:03,040
Speaker 6: Look, bet Uncut was created because there were all these

2529
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 6: videos we were editing, and and again I come from

2530
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 6: place on I want people's artistics. They're right, I don't

2531
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 6: know if the laughter is about them.

2532
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm thinking about you because I had a

2533
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 1: vision in my head of you editing Neddy Nellie's tip

2534
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: to video.

2535
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 6: Then we'll come back to Nellie tip. But The idea

2536
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 6: was like, there's all these videos coming, we have to

2537
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,120
Speaker 6: edit them so people can watch them during the daytime,

2538
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 6: but you want to say they have artistic, artistic expression,

2539
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 6: and then to your point, like, let's put them on

2540
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 6: later so they're just uncut. Right, this is just it

2541
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 6: that you know, we can't put porn on but but

2542
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 6: but but you know, we don't want to. But so

2543
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 6: it was for videos that it kind of existed but

2544
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 6: in there and we play them in the natural form

2545
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 6: during uncut and then the edited form during the day.

2546
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 6: The challenge came when people started making videos for specifically

2547
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 6: for uncut, and so that was the that was the

2548
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 6: challenge that people were like, oh, that's the way we're going.

2549
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 6: We're not even gonna work because everybody wanted to get

2550
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 6: on daytime. People were like, no, worried about daytime. I

2551
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 6: just want to get on cut and uncut was it whatever,

2552
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 6: it was a rating success, it was a rating. It

2553
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 6: was it happened. That was great. But so Chip Drill

2554
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 6: is the one that looks at as the is the

2555
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 6: video that was kind of made for uncut and it

2556
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 6: and it wasn't that kind of that kind.

2557
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 1: Of it was the point. It was.

2558
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 6: But the other point was when I realized how popular

2559
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,879
Speaker 6: it was. Was on one O six in Park. Peddler

2560
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 6: Bell came on one O six and Park and said,

2561
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 6: my favorite show was B T and cut and we shot.

2562
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 6: We thought she was doing as a joke, and and

2563
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 6: so I forget what she I think she just offered

2564
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 6: and said, oh yeah, I watched that.

2565
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 1: My favor what was her favorite?

2566
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 6: Jam favorite? My favorite video is what that thinks about?

2567
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 1: Won't be right back commercial, right back?

2568
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 5: We can get all ages. Man.

2569
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 1: That was the Negro Spiritual. I love it from Indiana,

2570
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

2571
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 6: But I think, you know, people people have criticized BT

2572
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 6: in the past, and I gotta say that when people

2573
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:22,880
Speaker 6: bring up BT, I'll cut them like we took that

2574
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,840
Speaker 6: off like eight years ago, seven years ago. And usually

2575
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 6: when it comes to people that things that people criticize,

2576
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 6: it's things that like we're seven or eight years ago.

2577
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 6: So it's telling you know. You know, I think people

2578
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 6: who watch it now and that may be when people

2579
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 6: checked out, so I don't I don't follow them. If

2580
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:39,120
Speaker 6: you check out at a certain time, then that's you know,

2581
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 6: I checked out a radio twenty years ago. I still

2582
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 6: think I can play whatever I want to and.

2583
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 5: Y'all diversified too, So now I don't have to watch

2584
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:47,480
Speaker 5: Bett proper. I can watch BT jams.

2585
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:49,640
Speaker 6: Or if you want videos, you've got we got them.

2586
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 6: You know, if you want you hip hop, you want

2587
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 6: BET jams. You got your soul for BT soul. Black

2588
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 6: woman who got the black got Centric?

2589
02:00:56,760 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 5: Congratulations about can you can we just have a moment

2590
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:02,800
Speaker 5: for Centric when you just I'm guessing when you decided

2591
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 5: to really make it the Black Woman Channel, Like that's

2592
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:06,240
Speaker 5: it's only.

2593
02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 6: Like a year ago that y'all did a year and

2594
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 6: a half, year and.

2595
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:10,400
Speaker 5: A half fantastic campaign.

2596
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2597
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,000
Speaker 5: No, I try to get a job there, auditioned and everything,

2598
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:16,200
Speaker 5: but that's a whole other thing. But I want to

2599
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 5: hear now you're here and now I'm here, thank you, mister.

2600
02:01:22,160 --> 02:01:23,280
Speaker 5: But why but explain?

2601
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, because because there's no there's no

2602
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:33,200
Speaker 6: other entity out there really focused on black women exclusively. Right.

2603
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 6: So the point is for Centric is whenever you go

2604
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 6: to Centric, no matter what time of day it is,

2605
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:39,360
Speaker 6: no matter when it is, if you're a black woman,

2606
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:40,760
Speaker 6: You're going to go go there and find something that

2607
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 6: appeals to you. And while there's other shows on different channels,

2608
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 6: you know, every once in a while, like you go

2609
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:48,200
Speaker 6: to Centric and you're gonna find that hopefully twenty four

2610
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:50,000
Speaker 6: hours a day. That's the that's the goal behind Centric.

2611
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. I'm glad y'all made to switch.

2612
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 6: So you know, anybody who's who you know, bashes bat

2613
02:01:56,080 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 6: I think or or criticizes. I love criticism. I want

2614
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:05,240
Speaker 6: to be clear, like honest criticism. You you get sharper,

2615
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 6: you understand what people folks.

2616
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:07,240
Speaker 1: I love that.

2617
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:09,560
Speaker 6: But if it's from eight or seven years ago, seven

2618
02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:11,080
Speaker 6: eight years ago, I'm just like, well watch it now.

2619
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 6: If you still have the same criticism, let me know.

2620
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say I used to be one of the

2621
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:18,680
Speaker 8: heavy criticizers of BET still I'm but I've started watching

2622
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:22,760
Speaker 8: a lot more recently because I got cable again and gradulations, Yeah,

2623
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:23,040
Speaker 8: thank you.

2624
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 1: Pretty much. I got a job.

2625
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:28,880
Speaker 8: The programming definitely has changed quite a bit, and I

2626
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:32,040
Speaker 8: think the big difference is just the music videos aren't there,

2627
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:34,360
Speaker 8: and I think that actually might have made the channel better.

2628
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 6: Well if you don't, yeah, that's hard, that's hard. That

2629
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:40,720
Speaker 6: wasn't a question, So I don't feel like.

2630
02:02:45,320 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 1: That was called gotcha compliments.

2631
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,080
Speaker 8: I'm saying that because you know, you would turn on

2632
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 8: BT all times a day and it was just almost

2633
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:53,440
Speaker 8: always all music video.

2634
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: So now there's a lot more variety of you know,

2635
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to music all the day,

2636
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, so you know I can turn on Catch

2637
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 1: the House, Painting Run.

2638
02:03:02,160 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, and two I think too. It was something to

2639
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 10: be said, you know, like a Buddy Man, you know,

2640
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 10: we were talking. He has the theory of like how

2641
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,280
Speaker 10: you kind of just grow out of things, right, So

2642
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,400
Speaker 10: it's it's a funny thing with BT where it was

2643
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:16,480
Speaker 10: for me. It was a thing where when I was

2644
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 10: a kid, I watched BT like all day like that

2645
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:23,840
Speaker 10: was I mean, I was Rap City Video, LP Video,

2646
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 10: Vibrations Midnight like our screen scene, screen scene, Oh my god,

2647
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 10: I was yeah, screen I don't want to even take

2648
02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 10: it back for you remember telling me something good was

2649
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,400
Speaker 10: that it was a game show.

2650
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 1: It was a game show where people would call in.

2651
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 1: You know I missed that. Yes, this was like eighty

2652
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:48,360
Speaker 1: seven eighty talking about this is this is late.

2653
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:49,680
Speaker 5: I'm passing Angel Stripling.

2654
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 1: This is Angel Stripling years.

2655
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, Robin Breeden, who was back on the radio, the

2656
02:03:57,200 --> 02:03:58,200
Speaker 6: radio they would show.

2657
02:03:58,520 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 10: The reruns of the show Desmonds, there's the Jamaican I

2658
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 10: have like four seasons, but it's syndicated, some of it's

2659
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:08,160
Speaker 10: on DVDs.

2660
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:09,920
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was. Yeah, it was from back in

2661
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:10,240
Speaker 6: the day.

2662
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:12,040
Speaker 10: But I will watch it as a kid, and like

2663
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:14,040
Speaker 10: that was all I would do. But then it got

2664
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:16,280
Speaker 10: to a point where I kind of just grew out

2665
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,720
Speaker 10: of it, you know what I'm saying. But now as

2666
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,240
Speaker 10: an adult, like in my you know, thirties, you know

2667
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:24,200
Speaker 10: what I'm saying. Now I watch it again, so it's

2668
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 10: like there's content for me there. But it was just

2669
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:29,080
Speaker 10: that middle fund, that funny part like kunting in your twenties,

2670
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 10: where it kind of it kind of lost me. Maybe

2671
02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 10: it's kind of us just growing out of it and

2672
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:36,200
Speaker 10: you know just what he just.

2673
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:37,880
Speaker 6: Said, growing up. But then you.

2674
02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 5: Is it because your video has never really played on

2675
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:42,960
Speaker 5: there too, Orna, I didn't.

2676
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:44,600
Speaker 1: I won't want to watch the ship just to watch,

2677
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't have any regrets of

2678
02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:55,280
Speaker 1: the Tortoise in the Hair Journey only because, like you know,

2679
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 1: I look at all my peers that did get instant

2680
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 1: rotation love and they're kind of on the side of

2681
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:02,880
Speaker 1: the road, broken down vehicles.

2682
02:05:02,840 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 6: And it's about.

2683
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 1: The longest admire Well yeah, yeah, the the your your

2684
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 1: your your, your childlike enthusiasm for uh music when I

2685
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 1: see you in concerts and everything, all that stuff. But

2686
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:27,760
Speaker 1: having witnessed you at several BT Awards, I wonder how

2687
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 1: you keep so cool, especially this year. Now, hold on this.

2688
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:34,800
Speaker 8: I was I was randomly on Facebook the other day

2689
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:38,320
Speaker 8: and somebody posted a video of Actually the Jackson's posted

2690
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:41,920
Speaker 8: a video of their performance at the their final performance

2691
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:43,920
Speaker 8: at Michael's fiftieth anniversary thing.

2692
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: And halfway halfway way through, halfway through, there is the

2693
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:49,640
Speaker 1: clearest day shot of.

2694
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:52,840
Speaker 6: Stephen Hill just going crazy in the crowd.

2695
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 5: I remember that one.

2696
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I always know you are because you're

2697
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 1: the most enthusiastic audience member ever.

2698
02:05:59,320 --> 02:05:59,800
Speaker 6: It's true.

2699
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 1: But okay, now this is where the suit and me

2700
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:07,640
Speaker 1: wants to know. Like, when you're at the BET Awards,

2701
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:12,240
Speaker 1: I would be losing my mind every second only because

2702
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:17,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's such a down to the wire. Is

2703
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 1: this going to work? Is this not going to work?

2704
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 1: Because you know you can't be there as a fan

2705
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 1: watching this this performance. You have to trust in your director,

2706
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 1: You have to trust in the creative people. You have

2707
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:30,600
Speaker 1: to trust the talent. I mean, do you not have

2708
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:33,680
Speaker 1: anxiety on whether or not blah blah blah made their

2709
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:36,800
Speaker 1: plan or not, or if there's a Plan B or

2710
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:39,320
Speaker 1: Plan C, or you know, we got to cut this

2711
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:40,960
Speaker 1: part of the show. We have to edit that part

2712
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 1: of the show. Like just the things that I now

2713
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:49,920
Speaker 1: know in television production that drive proprietors and bosses crazy.

2714
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:52,520
Speaker 1: You never have that on your face.

2715
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:57,240
Speaker 6: But I know for this year, anybody, anybody, anybody who

2716
02:06:57,320 --> 02:06:59,400
Speaker 6: works with me or who's hearing this is like, perhaps

2717
02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:01,320
Speaker 6: he doesn't know who Stephen Hill is. Maybe he's looking

2718
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 6: at somebody else's face.

2719
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 1: No, no, because it's always it's always poker face time.

2720
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:11,720
Speaker 1: Now for instance, now this year with the with the

2721
02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 1: passing of our king, mister Hill, you you took a

2722
02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:22,800
Speaker 1: very no, I mean you took a very bold stance

2723
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 1: with the tweet. That was the best thing. Yeah, yeah,

2724
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,800
Speaker 1: the shade. But here's the thing.

2725
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 5: Mirror was on stage.

2726
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 6: You know, he was off, he had cleared the stage.

2727
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:42,000
Speaker 6: And the way you insinuated that, I just meant it wasn't.

2728
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:46,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't on stage with them. I introduced them, And

2729
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,680
Speaker 1: can we not say what this is in regards to oh,

2730
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:51,400
Speaker 1: are we allowed to?

2731
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2732
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm asking you.

2733
02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:54,560
Speaker 5: It's in the past, isn't.

2734
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:58,800
Speaker 1: It because he's my manager. No, we're referring to the

2735
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:01,720
Speaker 1: Madonna performance.

2736
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:05,560
Speaker 6: Of perform Stevie. Can I clear something up. I wasn't

2737
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:07,960
Speaker 6: talking about the Madonna No no, no, no no no

2738
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 6: no no no, no, no, no no. What I was

2739
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:13,840
Speaker 6: talking about is if you're going to you're gonna be

2740
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:15,520
Speaker 6: really honest about it, if you're gonna, if you're gonna

2741
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:21,760
Speaker 6: tribute Prince, if Madonna had been, I'm gonna give myself

2742
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 6: in trouble if Madonna had her tribute. But it would

2743
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,720
Speaker 6: be awesome to have someone else cover another aspect and

2744
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,000
Speaker 6: has to have someone else cover another aspect.

2745
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, now here's this thing that's so so.

2746
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:39,320
Speaker 6: So people took it it was me against another person.

2747
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:42,400
Speaker 6: It was just like as a tribute as a whole

2748
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:44,680
Speaker 6: we got you. It was it was it was really

2749
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 6: like I did. That's that's how that came out.

2750
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 1: I didn't take I didn't take your tweet as something

2751
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 1: to Madonna or Stevie, but I understood where you were going.

2752
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:57,240
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, and you know, I know

2753
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:02,879
Speaker 1: the timing was Uncan you know Prince well in the audience?

2754
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,720
Speaker 1: You know Prince well? You know what I mean, you

2755
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:12,600
Speaker 1: know his music well? And being as though it's slim

2756
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 1: Pickens out there, when you said we got you, I

2757
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 1: instantly got worried because it was like, Wow, okay, now

2758
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 1: the pressure's on and everybody is betting on Black and

2759
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:34,880
Speaker 1: now all I'm thinking is who who do you have

2760
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:41,200
Speaker 1: in mind that can even come close to what Prince

2761
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:43,320
Speaker 1: really means? Fourth letter of the alphabet.

2762
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:49,360
Speaker 6: In nineteen sixty one or sixty two, John F. Kennedy

2763
02:09:49,400 --> 02:09:52,800
Speaker 6: went to Rice University gave a speech said, guess what,

2764
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 6: by the end of this decade, We're gonna put a

2765
02:09:57,640 --> 02:09:58,280
Speaker 6: man on the moon.

2766
02:09:59,040 --> 02:09:59,880
Speaker 1: Cheer. Oh yeah yeah.

2767
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:05,120
Speaker 6: People at NASA were like, what, we don't have the technology,

2768
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:07,760
Speaker 6: we don't have the capability, we don't have the people.

2769
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,440
Speaker 6: We cannot get a man on the moon by by

2770
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:13,920
Speaker 6: by by sixty nine. But sure enough, in faith and

2771
02:10:14,080 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 6: like you believe in your people, that that happened. I

2772
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:22,000
Speaker 6: had a feeling that you would be No, no, no,

2773
02:10:22,160 --> 02:10:23,880
Speaker 6: I had a feel no, I had a feeling that

2774
02:10:24,040 --> 02:10:24,840
Speaker 6: you'd be on board.

2775
02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:27,680
Speaker 5: That's that's that's the we all had that feeling.

2776
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:29,560
Speaker 6: That's the that's the and that was the that was

2777
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:33,080
Speaker 6: the that's the foundation. I'm serious, that's true. The foundation

2778
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:35,720
Speaker 6: was was that I had a feeling that some other

2779
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:39,480
Speaker 6: people would come on board, and with our knowledge and

2780
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 6: our respect for that guy and knowing how much our

2781
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 6: audience was going to want it, I just we just

2782
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:47,480
Speaker 6: we didn't have the tools at the time, but we

2783
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:51,000
Speaker 6: knew what we knew that it existed, right, and so

2784
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:55,040
Speaker 6: Janelle we knew would be on board. Right. We knew

2785
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:56,160
Speaker 6: Janelle would be on board.

2786
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:57,840
Speaker 5: So are you saying none of these people working firm?

2787
02:10:57,880 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 6: When you said no, no, no, no, no, no, nobody

2788
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:01,240
Speaker 6: was confirmed.

2789
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 5: No, we.

2790
02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 6: Had our first conversation. No we you were.

2791
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't even board. But the thing was when he

2792
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:15,040
Speaker 1: did that, I just I sat in my room for

2793
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:17,800
Speaker 1: like almost two days, like I was like wow, Like

2794
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 1: you just thought you weren't asked who? No, no, no,

2795
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to be part of it.

2796
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:26,280
Speaker 1: I instantly got an m D mode, which was like who.

2797
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 1: Because the thing is is that the people that I

2798
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:36,600
Speaker 1: feel that are close to Prince's talent aren't names. And

2799
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:40,280
Speaker 1: as a suit, the suit in me was like, who

2800
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:47,360
Speaker 1: has a name that will really bring him justice? He

2801
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:51,280
Speaker 1: was just so obvious, right, But it was itself. It

2802
02:11:51,400 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 1: was a risky all right. When I brought the laud

2803
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:56,240
Speaker 1: to it was. I didn't bring him to you personally,

2804
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,680
Speaker 1: but I brought him to the producers and everything. But

2805
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:04,120
Speaker 1: was it a Okay, he's going to hit out the

2806
02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 1: park or was it a I don't know if our

2807
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:07,640
Speaker 1: audience is ready for him yet, or.

2808
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:12,320
Speaker 6: Like, what what are you thinking in your head as

2809
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:15,360
Speaker 6: we're bringing this? How okay?

2810
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:18,000
Speaker 1: And Dangelo was a part of this?

2811
02:12:18,080 --> 02:12:19,800
Speaker 6: Okay, how how deep do you.

2812
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:22,560
Speaker 1: Want to forgot? Oh, let's let's talk about it. Okay,

2813
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:23,640
Speaker 1: we're good, We're good.

2814
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:29,720
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, okay, that's why we had we had, we had,

2815
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,400
Speaker 6: we had, we had, we had wed, and so Danzel

2816
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:34,960
Speaker 6: couldn't couldn't make it. And so there was I remember

2817
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:36,560
Speaker 6: exactly where it was. We were on the phone having

2818
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:39,640
Speaker 6: this call. Let me let me, let me, let me

2819
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 6: let me back up. I love that John F. Kennedy

2820
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 6: story because it's just a story of faith and a

2821
02:12:43,960 --> 02:12:46,760
Speaker 6: sort of desire and like, if you can get people together,

2822
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:48,840
Speaker 6: you can go towards that goal. And I knew enough

2823
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:51,240
Speaker 6: people loved Prince that we would be able to go

2824
02:12:51,320 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 6: towards that goal, and and the Prince was the star.

2825
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:57,360
Speaker 1: Faith versus science. By the way, fair enough, now I'm thinking.

2826
02:12:57,160 --> 02:13:00,560
Speaker 6: Of calculations or or believing that the science exists. We

2827
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:03,120
Speaker 6: just haven't found it yet, right, right, And that's what

2828
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:05,520
Speaker 6: it was. That's exactly what that was. I'm glad you

2829
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:07,160
Speaker 6: phrased it that way. It was having the faith that

2830
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:09,920
Speaker 6: the science is going to follow that faith, right, And

2831
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 6: that's exactly what this was with with with the Prince thing.

2832
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:15,360
Speaker 6: But knowing that you were on board, I'm not true.

2833
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:19,400
Speaker 6: Was it was a big part of the foundation and

2834
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 6: that Prince was the star and that we knew.

2835
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:26,200
Speaker 9: You.

2836
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,160
Speaker 6: No, I'm not picking my words. It's just it's just

2837
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,960
Speaker 6: watch happy, happy, and I'll say this now a happy accident. Look,

2838
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:37,880
Speaker 6: the tweet was we had a feeling that that it

2839
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 6: was going to be that the that the that that

2840
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:42,440
Speaker 6: tribute was going to be was not going to be fulfilling.

2841
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:44,120
Speaker 6: It was not going to fulfill all the things that

2842
02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:47,160
Speaker 6: you want around that. So we thought that maybe to

2843
02:13:47,200 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 6: get a little air press. Prince is the star, and

2844
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:52,440
Speaker 6: now you just got to find people who love and

2845
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:54,480
Speaker 6: respect them enough to pull off the to pull it off,

2846
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 6: they don't have to be that. They don't have to

2847
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:57,840
Speaker 6: be We didn't need the biggest names in the world, right,

2848
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,720
Speaker 6: we need the people who respected their music. We started

2849
02:14:00,760 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 6: that tribute with and I love that people picked up

2850
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:08,480
Speaker 6: on it. We started that tribute with Ballad of Dorothy Parker, right.

2851
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:10,120
Speaker 1: Which is as an album.

2852
02:14:10,160 --> 02:14:13,480
Speaker 6: It's an album. It's a deep album cut. There wasn't

2853
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:16,000
Speaker 6: any history onics around it, like Erica just saying, sat

2854
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:18,120
Speaker 6: there and did it. Because we were setting like, Okay,

2855
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:19,720
Speaker 6: this is going to be a Prince View for real,

2856
02:14:19,960 --> 02:14:22,000
Speaker 6: this is for real Prince fans, but we're still going

2857
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:25,360
Speaker 6: to get deliver you top notch talent. And you were

2858
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 6: the person who I never thought of it before. You know,

2859
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:29,160
Speaker 6: it's just one long verse. There's no curve. There's just

2860
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:31,800
Speaker 6: that's the thing. By the way, Well you said that,

2861
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:33,720
Speaker 6: I was like, I had known this song for freaking

2862
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 6: thirty years and I've never thought about that. It's just

2863
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:36,760
Speaker 6: one long verse.

2864
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:38,680
Speaker 1: I was the suit and he was the greated one.

2865
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 1: Because when they said yeah, let's do Ballad Dorothy Parker,

2866
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, there's no hook to it. Yeah, what

2867
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,000
Speaker 1: part do I take you guys won't let me do

2868
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:49,080
Speaker 1: three minutes. I know, like I'm instantly thinking in suit

2869
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:53,000
Speaker 1: television producer mode and not in creative mood. So it

2870
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:55,600
Speaker 1: was just but you were so cool about it.

2871
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:57,400
Speaker 6: Like break the rules for that one. And then and

2872
02:14:57,480 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 6: then once once was the Angelo left out. We actually,

2873
02:15:02,240 --> 02:15:04,200
Speaker 6: if I remember correct, we we both came to blow

2874
02:15:04,280 --> 02:15:06,480
Speaker 6: independently and we're surprised that the other one was going

2875
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:07,040
Speaker 6: to co coke.

2876
02:15:07,080 --> 02:15:09,680
Speaker 1: It was I was shocked that you were going to

2877
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:11,840
Speaker 1: let me do it, and you were like.

2878
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,720
Speaker 5: Great, And is that what a revolution took the league

2879
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:17,960
Speaker 5: because ever since then has been doing like gigs.

2880
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:19,400
Speaker 6: Oh no, No, we knew that, we knew that was

2881
02:15:19,400 --> 02:15:19,840
Speaker 6: gonna change it.

2882
02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:24,280
Speaker 1: We knew the second that happened. Then every member of

2883
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:28,240
Speaker 1: the revolution, uh minus Brown Mark Uh hit me up

2884
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 1: and was just like.

2885
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:31,080
Speaker 5: That was dope, thank you for that.

2886
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:35,080
Speaker 1: And I felt like super justified and at least like

2887
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say it like I

2888
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:40,840
Speaker 1: wanted to dodge the bullet. I wanted to hit the target.

2889
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,120
Speaker 5: But y'all felt the whole country go yes, yes, yes,

2890
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:44,560
Speaker 5: but it.

2891
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 1: Was risky because the thing is is like I'd rather

2892
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:51,640
Speaker 1: in my mind, I would have rather done non popular

2893
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:55,400
Speaker 1: print standards so that I wouldn't get judged, Like it's

2894
02:15:55,440 --> 02:16:00,160
Speaker 1: hard for you to have an opinion about slow love of.

2895
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:06,760
Speaker 8: Or just stop trying to impress the orders the Prince

2896
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:09,120
Speaker 8: orger people man not even I.

2897
02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:12,680
Speaker 1: Mean, but yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean, but I

2898
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:15,280
Speaker 1: think it's harder if you just say, all right when

2899
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:18,320
Speaker 1: doves cry in nineteen ninety nine, like I felt more

2900
02:16:18,440 --> 02:16:20,880
Speaker 1: for Shila than anything because she was going for.

2901
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:23,000
Speaker 6: The hits.

2902
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:24,600
Speaker 1: She was going for the Juggernauts, so.

2903
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:28,960
Speaker 6: She and Janel and Janel put that. I thought she

2904
02:16:29,080 --> 02:16:32,400
Speaker 6: put great artistry and great show personship to it as well,

2905
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:36,000
Speaker 6: uh with costumes and danced across the stage and you know,

2906
02:16:36,680 --> 02:16:41,800
Speaker 6: it's great music performed by it, like when Blaud did

2907
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:45,560
Speaker 6: Beautiful Ones and got down on that floor like we

2908
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:47,680
Speaker 6: knew vocally, well you know what.

2909
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:49,600
Speaker 1: I really, you knew it, but America didn't know.

2910
02:16:49,640 --> 02:16:51,840
Speaker 6: America didn't know. Yes, but but but but And that's

2911
02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:54,280
Speaker 6: the point of the cool thing is we talk about

2912
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 6: exposing new artists like he's not a new artist, but

2913
02:16:56,600 --> 02:16:59,680
Speaker 6: like people understood who he was that night, right the

2914
02:16:59,720 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 6: same way you know Candley the year before it was

2915
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:05,080
Speaker 6: Tory Kelly. Tory Kelly was the one no one knew

2916
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:06,640
Speaker 6: and then she stepped out to sing Who's Loving You

2917
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 6: were like, oh got it?

2918
02:17:08,200 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 1: Yo?

2919
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:10,039
Speaker 5: Is it getting more challenging because you know, the one

2920
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:11,480
Speaker 5: of the things that people look forward to with the

2921
02:17:11,560 --> 02:17:15,720
Speaker 5: BET Awards are the tributes, not so you have pretty

2922
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 5: much like I mean, I just remember the year you

2923
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:24,160
Speaker 5: had Alexander O'Neill come out with Sharrel. Is it getting

2924
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:27,000
Speaker 5: more challenging or is it getting more fun? Or is

2925
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:28,800
Speaker 5: it more Is it combo of both trying to decide

2926
02:17:28,879 --> 02:17:30,880
Speaker 5: who are you gonna do and then who's going to sing?

2927
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:33,240
Speaker 6: It's always fun, It's always fun. It gets a little

2928
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:34,840
Speaker 6: more challenging. We love the you know, we love the

2929
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:36,000
Speaker 6: reunions get.

2930
02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 1: But surely you're planning it now, Like how far in

2931
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:41,600
Speaker 1: advance do you you have to plan seven months in the.

2932
02:17:41,680 --> 02:17:44,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's conversations being had already.

2933
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:45,840
Speaker 1: Here's here's a good idea.

2934
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:47,879
Speaker 6: I'm gonna give away the biggest secret more than anything else,

2935
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:49,480
Speaker 6: more than anything else on that show you know what

2936
02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:52,360
Speaker 6: you Know? And we mentioned him earlier or a member

2937
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:55,360
Speaker 6: of the band earlier. Uh, in this conversation I'm gonna

2938
02:17:55,400 --> 02:17:56,760
Speaker 6: get Tony Tony Tony back together.

2939
02:17:58,280 --> 02:17:58,760
Speaker 1: It's the thing.

2940
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 6: It's the thing. It's please the thing.

2941
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 1: It's the thing.

2942
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:05,520
Speaker 6: It's not worked out yet, and I don't give away secrets,

2943
02:18:05,640 --> 02:18:07,440
Speaker 6: but but if if anybody out there, if you can

2944
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:09,320
Speaker 6: get Tony to help me get Tony Tony Tony together,

2945
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:12,800
Speaker 6: I'm all the way, all the way. I want to

2946
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 6: pick the set list too.

2947
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:16,840
Speaker 5: Is that it you got? Like you got three of those?

2948
02:18:16,879 --> 02:18:16,920
Speaker 1: Like?

2949
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:18,040
Speaker 5: Is it Tony Tony Tony?

2950
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:19,640
Speaker 6: Is it gonna play my ex girlfriend?

2951
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:30,199
Speaker 1: Oh my god, girl friend, it's a whole Sorry, Steve,

2952
02:18:30,200 --> 02:18:34,840
Speaker 1: you have to be there. Wait a minute, you don't

2953
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:35,080
Speaker 1: know that?

2954
02:18:35,560 --> 02:18:35,920
Speaker 5: Is that before?

2955
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:36,360
Speaker 1: Walter?

2956
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:40,200
Speaker 5: That was so oh yeah, no, I know you didn't

2957
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:40,680
Speaker 5: just look at.

2958
02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:40,840
Speaker 9: Me like that.

2959
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:43,520
Speaker 1: That was that was the album with Anniversary. I know

2960
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:44,119
Speaker 1: you know that one.

2961
02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 5: Do you gotta play me with the single yoke?

2962
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:51,359
Speaker 1: Because she was six years old when it came out sixteen.

2963
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:55,800
Speaker 5: But I know all the Lucy Pearl album. I'm just joking.

2964
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:58,360
Speaker 5: That's a joke. I'm just I'm I said, hey, little

2965
02:18:58,360 --> 02:19:00,320
Speaker 5: Walter jail, give.

2966
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:04,120
Speaker 1: Me some credit. Joke if anything, or who else would

2967
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:08,080
Speaker 1: you like to reunite? Is it too? Way for Ready

2968
02:19:08,120 --> 02:19:08,520
Speaker 1: for the World.

2969
02:19:10,440 --> 02:19:15,640
Speaker 5: Yes, that sight like ready for the World with like surface.

2970
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:19,280
Speaker 1: Well it's gonna be the thirtieth anniversary of New Jack Swing,

2971
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:21,320
Speaker 1: so I would imagine.

2972
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:23,039
Speaker 8: Can we talk about New Jack Swing for a second. Yeah,

2973
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:25,320
Speaker 8: let's do it, because I feel like the John or

2974
02:19:25,520 --> 02:19:27,320
Speaker 8: that period of music has been.

2975
02:19:28,920 --> 02:19:32,760
Speaker 1: Sorely overlooked. I think it was something that you had

2976
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:35,880
Speaker 1: to be there for. Like it's a hard sell to

2977
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,280
Speaker 1: people in twenty sixteen, you know what I'm saying.

2978
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:41,680
Speaker 10: Because the music was great, but like I mean, it

2979
02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:43,640
Speaker 10: was kind of hockey, you know what I mean it now,

2980
02:19:43,959 --> 02:19:46,200
Speaker 10: like listen to the baselines and the drum program like

2981
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:50,320
Speaker 10: I mean, like for example, like the Foreign Exchange, the

2982
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:52,279
Speaker 10: cover we did of Steve on the If She Brickshard.

2983
02:19:52,680 --> 02:19:53,920
Speaker 10: One of the main reasons why I wanted to do

2984
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,959
Speaker 10: that song was because I thought it was a great song.

2985
02:19:56,200 --> 02:19:59,200
Speaker 1: Took the New Jackie out. Yeah just take the Chunkle Fever,

2986
02:19:59,680 --> 02:19:59,840
Speaker 1: you know.

2987
02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:03,600
Speaker 10: But those are great songs, but just the production of

2988
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:06,680
Speaker 10: the time, it you know, it didn't serve them well,

2989
02:20:07,080 --> 02:20:08,080
Speaker 10: didn't It didn't age well?

2990
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:11,160
Speaker 1: Side note. Yeah, that's the one thing I big from

2991
02:20:11,320 --> 02:20:14,920
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder's people like can I have the masters to

2992
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:19,160
Speaker 1: Jungle Peole, just so I can take the drums away

2993
02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:22,680
Speaker 1: and put what I think he would do in nineteen

2994
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:23,480
Speaker 1: seventy three to it.

2995
02:20:24,520 --> 02:20:27,120
Speaker 10: Lighting up the candles could be God lighting up the

2996
02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:28,680
Speaker 10: candles without jack drums.

2997
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, like all so effect get back together. We could

2998
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:36,080
Speaker 5: just make the new Jack swings we got.

2999
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:37,680
Speaker 6: We got them back together for the soul train wars

3000
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,359
Speaker 6: a little while. Yeah, we didnt make for the soul trains.

3001
02:20:40,520 --> 02:20:43,320
Speaker 1: How do you determine what soul train will get versus?

3002
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:43,560
Speaker 5: What?

3003
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:47,640
Speaker 1: Very good, very good question? It's a very good And

3004
02:20:47,720 --> 02:20:49,440
Speaker 1: what is your Are you allowed to say what your

3005
02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:51,640
Speaker 1: your what your baby is, and what your step son.

3006
02:20:51,640 --> 02:20:53,480
Speaker 6: Is in terms of war shows?

3007
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

3008
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:56,720
Speaker 5: Because then hip Hop Honors is my.

3009
02:20:57,280 --> 02:21:01,480
Speaker 6: Favorite, my favorite, I don't mean disrespect my favorite celebration

3010
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:03,760
Speaker 6: of gospel because if you can't sing, don't come.

3011
02:21:03,879 --> 02:21:06,720
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, I don't come. That was the

3012
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:07,520
Speaker 1: fourth category.

3013
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:09,800
Speaker 6: I wasn't even thinking celebration of gospel. If you can't sing,

3014
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:10,640
Speaker 6: don't come anytime.

3015
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:14,360
Speaker 1: I actually, yo, wait has got well into the room

3016
02:21:14,440 --> 02:21:19,200
Speaker 1: where we might lose good singers. I don't know. I

3017
02:21:19,360 --> 02:21:19,880
Speaker 1: love God.

3018
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:24,280
Speaker 6: You heard that song? No, it's it's it's it was.

3019
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:26,080
Speaker 6: It was a choice by a good singer to do

3020
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:28,840
Speaker 6: a song that I respect that that's fine, but but

3021
02:21:29,160 --> 02:21:33,039
Speaker 6: you gotta sang got celebration of gospel, right, That's that's

3022
02:21:33,320 --> 02:21:34,880
Speaker 6: we just called. I just want to call it. Landa

3023
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:38,520
Speaker 6: Adams shown so. But to my eye when when I

3024
02:21:38,840 --> 02:21:41,200
Speaker 6: when I see Elanda Adams walk into a room, my

3025
02:21:41,400 --> 02:21:43,240
Speaker 6: eyes smile because I know my ears are next.

3026
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:45,160
Speaker 1: She is.

3027
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:48,000
Speaker 6: She just is just a gift to sound.

3028
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:53,840
Speaker 1: So between BT Awards and Soul Train Awards, how do

3029
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:56,519
Speaker 1: you and both of them are your responsibility?

3030
02:21:57,160 --> 02:21:59,040
Speaker 6: Yes, but shout out to I'm going to say this

3031
02:21:59,080 --> 02:22:02,600
Speaker 6: earlier we all you talked about how to keep calm head.

3032
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:05,360
Speaker 6: We have the best production crew in the business with

3033
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:10,080
Speaker 6: Jesse Collins Entertainment and Janey and Knyie Orlando who oversees

3034
02:22:10,120 --> 02:22:12,400
Speaker 6: it for most directly for for for b E T.

3035
02:22:12,959 --> 02:22:14,879
Speaker 6: It's just the best in the business. Like so when

3036
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:16,800
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about people missing flights because if they do,

3037
02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:21,240
Speaker 6: Jesse will find a way to rends a prop plane

3038
02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:22,040
Speaker 6: to go pick him up.

3039
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:25,280
Speaker 1: You got to get a I forgot who he did

3040
02:22:25,320 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 1: that to, but he told me a story of getting

3041
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,400
Speaker 1: someone last minute absolutely.

3042
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:34,400
Speaker 6: They get it private, they get it done. No crop dusters,

3043
02:22:34,440 --> 02:22:37,359
Speaker 6: I said, I said properly, I say private, I said, prop.

3044
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:38,879
Speaker 1: Back.

3045
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,080
Speaker 6: But soul Training. Here's what trying to do with Soul Train.

3046
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:45,960
Speaker 6: Soul Train is really about it the soul like it's

3047
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:50,760
Speaker 6: it's it's it's pretty hip hop free and it should

3048
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:52,680
Speaker 6: have a groove. That's why I rote. James worked so

3049
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:55,280
Speaker 6: well on it this year. Anderson Pack, who's kind of

3050
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:59,040
Speaker 6: in between, works on it. Una worked on it. Drew Hill,

3051
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:02,880
Speaker 6: We're yep, Eric, I do get it.

3052
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:05,800
Speaker 5: I don't know how Oh my god.

3053
02:23:06,480 --> 02:23:10,000
Speaker 6: This year we had Drew Hill. We had a tribute

3054
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 6: to Teddy Riley uh Yuna Rode, James, Eric Bennet because

3055
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:16,599
Speaker 6: that song Sunshine.

3056
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:16,440
Speaker 4: Is just.

3057
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of which Okay, I kind of know the answers

3058
02:23:24,879 --> 02:23:30,760
Speaker 1: since I'm working for them, But is there any chance

3059
02:23:30,840 --> 02:23:36,000
Speaker 1: in hell, even if it's not on BT proper for

3060
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:39,240
Speaker 1: you to really develop I want you to develop a

3061
02:23:39,360 --> 02:23:41,400
Speaker 1: midlife crisis BT channel for me?

3062
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:45,680
Speaker 6: All right, what are the elements of that show?

3063
02:23:45,959 --> 02:23:50,959
Speaker 1: Well, I just I need living single reruns. I mean, yeah,

3064
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:53,520
Speaker 1: I forget the rerun list that we have that's endless,

3065
02:23:54,440 --> 02:23:59,920
Speaker 1: but I need the anxiety of eleven fifty eight am

3066
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:04,080
Speaker 1: on a Saturday, No. One in two minutes that the

3067
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:08,160
Speaker 1: Soul Trained animations coming on is one of the most

3068
02:24:08,280 --> 02:24:14,480
Speaker 1: thrilling moments of my childhood. And I know twelve occasionally

3069
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:19,000
Speaker 1: twelve sometimes one in the morning, But yeah, I just

3070
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:25,840
Speaker 1: I need a what VH one was to MTV back

3071
02:24:25,879 --> 02:24:27,520
Speaker 1: in the eighties, what it was meant to be? Oh

3072
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:30,720
Speaker 1: my god, can you imagine that? Like one time VH one.

3073
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:34,960
Speaker 5: When playing Paul Simon and it was the video Hits

3074
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:36,640
Speaker 5: one was the Chevy Chase video.

3075
02:24:37,560 --> 02:24:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, the conservative White Guys channel.

3076
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,840
Speaker 5: Now it's like, don't worry, be happy all the time.

3077
02:24:42,400 --> 02:24:48,400
Speaker 1: That's funny. Yeah, But I just I don't I feel

3078
02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:51,240
Speaker 1: like Soul Train and the interests of Soul Trained could

3079
02:24:51,320 --> 02:24:52,440
Speaker 1: still have life into it.

3080
02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:56,360
Speaker 6: It's possible, And I know you. I knew I was

3081
02:24:56,400 --> 02:24:58,720
Speaker 6: not going to escape without having that question answered. But

3082
02:24:59,400 --> 02:25:01,720
Speaker 6: it is possible. As you know that b ET and

3083
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:06,000
Speaker 6: Soul Training are joined. Joined. Now, yes, if you need anything,

3084
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:06,480
Speaker 6: let me know.

3085
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:09,200
Speaker 5: So we're talking about new episodes of soulcirating and if

3086
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:12,080
Speaker 5: you're talking about classics, do you stop at them more

3087
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:13,400
Speaker 5: years or where do you stop?

3088
02:25:13,560 --> 02:25:17,160
Speaker 1: Soul Trained? To me, is nineteen seventy one to the

3089
02:25:17,240 --> 02:25:20,440
Speaker 1: last episode The Commodore's episode of nineteen ninety three, which

3090
02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:23,360
Speaker 1: was Don's last show. The Commonists were still around in

3091
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:23,840
Speaker 1: ninety three.

3092
02:25:24,200 --> 02:25:24,879
Speaker 6: What was the jog?

3093
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:30,720
Speaker 1: What was their last song? Their last song was I

3094
02:25:30,760 --> 02:25:34,000
Speaker 1: Think I'd Locked off Breakouse nineteen ninety Oh it was

3095
02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:37,880
Speaker 1: a very don't play it, Please don't play it, No,

3096
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:40,360
Speaker 1: please play it. I've never heard this song.

3097
02:25:40,280 --> 02:25:40,680
Speaker 6: On my life.

3098
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:41,240
Speaker 5: You can't find it.

3099
02:25:41,320 --> 02:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Just play light Ship please say yeah.

3100
02:25:43,320 --> 02:25:47,120
Speaker 6: A by The Commodore was yeah. So I don't.

3101
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:50,439
Speaker 1: I don't mean for my personal collection though I'm talking about.

3102
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:53,039
Speaker 8: I still think there should be a Soul Trained app

3103
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,879
Speaker 8: for for Apple TV and Roku and smart till.

3104
02:25:55,879 --> 02:25:59,000
Speaker 6: You're exploring all sorts of opportunities with Soul Trained brand

3105
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:00,720
Speaker 6: or do you understand how i it is and how

3106
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:04,400
Speaker 6: much it means to so many people who only experienced it,

3107
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:07,560
Speaker 6: but I just heard about it from their their their

3108
02:26:07,640 --> 02:26:08,359
Speaker 6: elder generation.

3109
02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:11,480
Speaker 5: So there's there's, you know, nice statement, mister President.

3110
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:16,400
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Don didn't have clearances.

3111
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:20,000
Speaker 5: Or or you know, so there's licensing issues.

3112
02:26:20,200 --> 02:26:22,800
Speaker 1: We've been working on it. It's like four years already.

3113
02:26:22,879 --> 02:26:26,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe wonder years of Black Television. Maybe like

3114
02:26:26,360 --> 02:26:30,640
Speaker 1: three hundred some some episodes have been totally cleared. But

3115
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:33,760
Speaker 1: I think the whole goal is just to have the entire.

3116
02:26:33,879 --> 02:26:37,240
Speaker 6: We would be great to have the whole entire catalog cleared.

3117
02:26:37,440 --> 02:26:39,959
Speaker 5: But after the Soul Train episode goes off on your

3118
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,080
Speaker 5: Midlife Crisis channel, what's what you just I think he

3119
02:26:43,160 --> 02:26:45,000
Speaker 5: just wants you just want all soul trained all the time.

3120
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:45,640
Speaker 5: Is that what you're saying?

3121
02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:48,440
Speaker 1: Just two episodes of Soul Training a week, that eye

3122
02:26:48,480 --> 02:26:51,039
Speaker 1: program and then what else is.

3123
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:51,560
Speaker 5: On the channel?

3124
02:26:51,640 --> 02:26:53,160
Speaker 1: Right? What else? Whatever? Y'all want.

3125
02:26:55,800 --> 02:26:59,039
Speaker 6: Kung fu flicks and you know, so basically you want

3126
02:26:59,080 --> 02:26:59,920
Speaker 6: it to be Bounced TV.

3127
02:27:01,640 --> 02:27:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but like that.

3128
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:04,880
Speaker 6: I can get that.

3129
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:08,120
Speaker 5: I can get you know, has has a Viceland and

3130
02:27:08,280 --> 02:27:10,800
Speaker 5: Revolt had any effect on I mean, I don't want

3131
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:15,760
Speaker 5: to say effect or impression or have you guys, it's

3132
02:27:15,800 --> 02:27:17,480
Speaker 5: a matter. Is it an your peripheral at all? Does

3133
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:19,440
Speaker 5: it matter? Is it anything that they're doing that you like?

3134
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:23,120
Speaker 8: I would suggest you watched Jesus and Mirro on Viceland?

3135
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:28,039
Speaker 8: What Jesus and Miro on Viceland? Yeah, it's a future

3136
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:29,039
Speaker 8: of black comedy right there.

3137
02:27:30,320 --> 02:27:31,760
Speaker 1: He's actually telling the truth.

3138
02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:37,440
Speaker 5: So has Viceland or revolt question.

3139
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:41,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was getting that because I appreciate a vice's

3140
02:27:41,160 --> 02:27:47,680
Speaker 6: different approach to media, and I'm hoping, you know, to

3141
02:27:47,800 --> 02:27:49,720
Speaker 6: freshen things up. I think they freshened things up to

3142
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:54,760
Speaker 6: use that term revolt is. I think it's an awesome

3143
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:58,080
Speaker 6: exhibition around music. We just not do that. We do

3144
02:27:58,200 --> 02:28:00,200
Speaker 6: that on kind of jams and soul, but not the

3145
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:00,959
Speaker 6: main one anymore.

3146
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:02,800
Speaker 5: I was just curious. It is funny because we were

3147
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:05,560
Speaker 5: talking about Noisy the other day and it's it's funny.

3148
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:08,920
Speaker 5: It's a really great show in a way. However, as

3149
02:28:08,959 --> 02:28:10,760
Speaker 5: my mother said, when she walked in and then walked

3150
02:28:10,760 --> 02:28:12,920
Speaker 5: out when she saw what was going on, it feels like,

3151
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:16,200
Speaker 5: what do you call that? Cultural tourism? So I was

3152
02:28:16,280 --> 02:28:18,320
Speaker 5: just asking because there's some things that you know, we

3153
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:19,360
Speaker 5: could do without it.

3154
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:22,600
Speaker 6: Feeling that way. We we we you know, we we

3155
02:28:24,120 --> 02:28:27,400
Speaker 6: over use this term, but you know, absolutely authentically black

3156
02:28:27,440 --> 02:28:30,040
Speaker 6: as what we what we are, we we we we are,

3157
02:28:30,160 --> 02:28:32,120
Speaker 6: we are the culture folks other folks read about it.

3158
02:28:32,200 --> 02:28:43,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, you went to the White House this year? Yes, actually, yes,

3159
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:49,880
Speaker 1: I forgot we Okay, I was talking about going, you know,

3160
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:52,080
Speaker 1: us going to the world, but then I forgot you

3161
02:28:52,320 --> 02:29:03,840
Speaker 1: were actually there to witness everything. Okay, let's talk about

3162
02:29:03,879 --> 02:29:06,840
Speaker 1: the actual production of the show, but I really want

3163
02:29:07,160 --> 02:29:11,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the afterwards after Love and Happiness.

3164
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:14,320
Speaker 1: Did they approach you or how did you? How did you?

3165
02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:14,640
Speaker 5: So?

3166
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:18,520
Speaker 6: Shout to Janine Library from b E two, who really

3167
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:21,680
Speaker 6: has been who's been working with the White House? Look

3168
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:23,960
Speaker 6: the White House. You may not, I guess you can

3169
02:29:24,040 --> 02:29:26,560
Speaker 6: you believe it now, but White House has this great

3170
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:29,120
Speaker 6: collection of black women who work there.

3171
02:29:29,360 --> 02:29:30,040
Speaker 5: I've seen the article.

3172
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:34,200
Speaker 6: Is a great collection of black women with whom like

3173
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:36,720
Speaker 6: a bunch people woul be to your friends, especially Janine,

3174
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:38,720
Speaker 6: And so it was like, look, we really want to win,

3175
02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:42,320
Speaker 6: you know, the thick of the election is over. We

3176
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:44,800
Speaker 6: want to air something. It's like just a great goodbyeparty,

3177
02:29:44,920 --> 02:29:47,400
Speaker 6: just a throw down. There's no there's no rhyme or

3178
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:49,920
Speaker 6: reason to it. Just just have fun. And so two

3179
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,400
Speaker 6: years in the making, they were like yes, and so

3180
02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:54,720
Speaker 6: we were honored to go to the White House to

3181
02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:58,760
Speaker 6: be part of the last musical celebration they've had them

3182
02:29:58,760 --> 02:30:01,120
Speaker 6: over the years for Country and I think they're going

3183
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:04,959
Speaker 6: from from from Memphis, from Memphis, and you know, backrack

3184
02:30:05,080 --> 02:30:07,800
Speaker 6: and how David had won and so this was just

3185
02:30:07,879 --> 02:30:12,440
Speaker 6: one for for for be eating and so a man

3186
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:16,800
Speaker 6: it was was on board Roots and and Jane Monet

3187
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:21,800
Speaker 6: and and and Soul they lost Soul requested by the

3188
02:30:21,840 --> 02:30:22,879
Speaker 6: President of the United States.

3189
02:30:23,320 --> 02:30:27,480
Speaker 1: Crazy. I think almost a tear.

3190
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:30,160
Speaker 5: When I told him that who else was requested?

3191
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:35,720
Speaker 1: Well, we all were requested, but this okay. So I

3192
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:39,480
Speaker 1: guess the rumor is that you know what's on his iPod,

3193
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:42,280
Speaker 1: and you know he wanted to see that come to life.

3194
02:30:42,360 --> 02:30:45,760
Speaker 1: But it's kind of weird knowing that the leader of

3195
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:49,080
Speaker 1: the free world has a Roots song on his iPod

3196
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:50,600
Speaker 1: when he works out at the gym in the morning.

3197
02:30:50,680 --> 02:30:54,000
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure that one out because I'm like,

3198
02:30:54,480 --> 02:31:00,800
Speaker 1: probably aren't we aren't we the Sunday Sunday afternoon, I

3199
02:31:00,840 --> 02:31:03,160
Speaker 1: can count maybe four songs that are over like one

3200
02:31:03,240 --> 02:31:08,039
Speaker 1: hundred bpms, like I thought were the relaxing evening songs kind.

3201
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,480
Speaker 6: Of maybe maybe part of his cool down maybe on

3202
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:12,000
Speaker 6: this on the on the tape of part of.

3203
02:31:12,400 --> 02:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Maybe who knows, Yeah, who knows? Who knows? Yeah?

3204
02:31:15,400 --> 02:31:17,000
Speaker 6: But we were there and we had a good time.

3205
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:18,520
Speaker 6: We had a good time. It was one of the

3206
02:31:18,680 --> 02:31:21,320
Speaker 6: last he said he wasn't going to sing, and then

3207
02:31:21,360 --> 02:31:23,199
Speaker 6: he sang at the end. I think he grabbed somebody's

3208
02:31:23,200 --> 02:31:25,920
Speaker 6: mike mike like love it happiness.

3209
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Wait. My favorite moment though, was Okay, So I'm sitting

3210
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:36,000
Speaker 1: in this section with de La Soul and with Common

3211
02:31:36,920 --> 02:31:44,640
Speaker 1: and we're watching BBD do Poison and so at the

3212
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:48,160
Speaker 1: White House at the White House, and like all seven

3213
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:53,480
Speaker 1: of us are collectively looking at each other like, well,

3214
02:31:53,560 --> 02:31:55,880
Speaker 1: we know there isn't a radio edit version of this,

3215
02:31:56,160 --> 02:32:01,039
Speaker 1: so how are they going to handle the low pro hope?

3216
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:04,760
Speaker 6: Dog? Oh, that's the only one I was watching.

3217
02:32:05,480 --> 02:32:11,800
Speaker 1: I was watching first lady. Oh, I know, she said, Dog.

3218
02:32:12,440 --> 02:32:14,920
Speaker 1: It was the most magical moment of my life.

3219
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:15,160
Speaker 5: It was.

3220
02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:16,480
Speaker 1: It was kind of watching her.

3221
02:32:16,760 --> 02:32:19,000
Speaker 5: It was our movements too, right the local host she

3222
02:32:19,240 --> 02:32:21,199
Speaker 5: cut afro Like, all.

3223
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:26,879
Speaker 1: I know is that obviously in nineteen ninety that must

3224
02:32:26,920 --> 02:32:28,960
Speaker 1: have been their jam when they were dating each other

3225
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:33,879
Speaker 1: in Chicago, because there was just levels of Roger Rabbit Thom.

3226
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:37,640
Speaker 5: Going on that I like doing the did he get

3227
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:38,600
Speaker 5: on the back? Did he get on it?

3228
02:32:39,360 --> 02:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Let's not make it do a comedy moment, but not

3229
02:32:41,480 --> 02:32:45,520
Speaker 1: a comedy moment. Yeah, look, I'm just saying that. That

3230
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:49,640
Speaker 1: was the realest moment I've ever seen Potus and Flotus.

3231
02:32:50,879 --> 02:32:53,520
Speaker 1: And she mounted the words, and I was just.

3232
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:57,880
Speaker 5: Like, did she like let me ask? I'm sorry, I

3233
02:32:57,920 --> 02:32:59,720
Speaker 5: just have many questions. So she mounted the words, so

3234
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:02,320
Speaker 5: mouthing the whole song she was, she's singing the.

3235
02:33:02,360 --> 02:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Song, and then she just mounted. The crew used to

3236
02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:06,120
Speaker 1: do it right.

3237
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:10,000
Speaker 6: So you will never see it on TV. You will

3238
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:11,959
Speaker 6: never see it. You will never see that on TV.

3239
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:12,800
Speaker 5: But you guys filmed it.

3240
02:33:14,320 --> 02:33:15,640
Speaker 6: You will never see it on TV.

3241
02:33:16,720 --> 02:33:18,520
Speaker 5: You will film what I meant to stay with y'all.

3242
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:29,400
Speaker 5: I mean, we saw us, we saw on social media, so.

3243
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:31,720
Speaker 6: There was so much energy around that. You know, you

3244
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:35,200
Speaker 6: were like it was it was. It was palpable, it

3245
02:33:35,320 --> 02:33:38,920
Speaker 6: was undeniable, it was I think you're right. That hadn't

3246
02:33:38,920 --> 02:33:40,560
Speaker 6: been their song at some point in time, and that's

3247
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:42,800
Speaker 6: why that was their song. We kind of introduced this like, well,

3248
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:44,320
Speaker 6: you know, the first movie was do the Right Thing.

3249
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:46,480
Speaker 6: But you know, we imagine at some point in time,

3250
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:50,920
Speaker 6: you guys dance to this and they jumped up.

3251
02:33:51,240 --> 02:33:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so y'all had a full I'm sorry, so y'all

3252
02:33:53,320 --> 02:33:55,200
Speaker 5: are not telling this story, you know, and listen your turns.

3253
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:57,320
Speaker 5: So let me ask you said you introduced it. So

3254
02:33:58,240 --> 02:34:01,480
Speaker 5: you introduced BBD to the crime out like they're literally

3255
02:34:01,560 --> 02:34:04,000
Speaker 5: you're on the stage and you're like, okay, coming up next,

3256
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:04,520
Speaker 5: we got a song.

3257
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:05,480
Speaker 1: I thought that was obvious.

3258
02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:06,640
Speaker 5: No, no, it's not.

3259
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:11,480
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we said it, Yeah they said.

3260
02:34:11,320 --> 02:34:13,640
Speaker 5: It, But I didn't believe that you said it like that, like, yes,

3261
02:34:13,959 --> 02:34:15,040
Speaker 5: that's exactly how you said it.

3262
02:34:15,879 --> 02:34:19,119
Speaker 1: We talked about their first date and then we imagine

3263
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:22,800
Speaker 1: that at sometime doing your courtship, this was your song,

3264
02:34:23,480 --> 02:34:26,879
Speaker 1: and but we didn't know it was true because because

3265
02:34:26,920 --> 02:34:29,040
Speaker 1: once it happened, because the tone of the night was

3266
02:34:29,160 --> 02:34:33,080
Speaker 1: like yes Jill, Yes, yes you're the yes John l

3267
02:34:33,160 --> 02:34:35,720
Speaker 1: and yes yes common yes think you know. It was

3268
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:39,720
Speaker 1: a very positive and then when them snare drum hit,

3269
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:44,480
Speaker 1: it was like like a pajama Jimmy jim.

3270
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:46,240
Speaker 5: So am I to understand there is going to be

3271
02:34:46,320 --> 02:34:49,360
Speaker 5: a televised part of this which which will have the

3272
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:51,640
Speaker 5: Jill and all of that and stuff. And then that

3273
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:53,520
Speaker 5: other stuff was like their after party.

3274
02:34:53,360 --> 02:34:55,840
Speaker 1: For later there were there was the after party.

3275
02:34:57,879 --> 02:35:02,160
Speaker 5: Was not the after party, Yeah BD was the Okay,

3276
02:35:02,240 --> 02:35:03,520
Speaker 5: so you say that's why you're saying that she didn't

3277
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:03,760
Speaker 5: see that.

3278
02:35:03,800 --> 02:35:04,000
Speaker 6: Wow.

3279
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:05,720
Speaker 1: Wow, you really couldn't figure that out.

3280
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:09,360
Speaker 5: I really did not. I love you, Layah, thank you,

3281
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:12,760
Speaker 5: because somebody at home is with me, aren't you. That's okay? No,

3282
02:35:13,240 --> 02:35:15,880
Speaker 5: you'd be safe in your zone. Another dumb question. No,

3283
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:17,760
Speaker 5: I'm talking to the people right now.

3284
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:20,920
Speaker 1: Or it's fevers at an all timeline. But my point

3285
02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:25,360
Speaker 1: is that there were three versions of that performance. There

3286
02:35:25,440 --> 02:35:29,520
Speaker 1: was BET's uh, there was BBD's performance of it, which

3287
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:36,160
Speaker 1: was flawless, and there was us looking at each other.

3288
02:35:36,600 --> 02:35:39,720
Speaker 1: I wish there was a camera just looking a reaction

3289
02:35:39,879 --> 02:35:46,480
Speaker 1: camera at between pass mace me, treak, common uh, Dave,

3290
02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:50,400
Speaker 1: true boy, everyone spouses, everyone's like. We were just looking

3291
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:53,880
Speaker 1: at each other like is this supposed to happen? Are

3292
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:55,960
Speaker 1: they allowed to say it? And then looking at her,

3293
02:35:56,280 --> 02:35:58,440
Speaker 1: is she she's mouthing at work? Oh my god? They

3294
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:01,439
Speaker 1: no poison? Like it was just it was the craziest

3295
02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:05,400
Speaker 1: moment I've ever seen in my life. Thanks, thanks, No,

3296
02:36:05,720 --> 02:36:12,080
Speaker 1: it was bedtime, it was BT and cut time. About

3297
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:13,480
Speaker 1: the video, it was a video vibrations.

3298
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:16,560
Speaker 5: Yes, the fact that Usher did not have to take

3299
02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:18,320
Speaker 5: that video down just show the rest of the world

3300
02:36:18,360 --> 02:36:18,959
Speaker 5: that you know what he.

3301
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:22,240
Speaker 6: Read to go and he don't give a what he

3302
02:36:22,400 --> 02:36:23,879
Speaker 6: gonna be audited next year, but let that.

3303
02:36:23,959 --> 02:36:35,200
Speaker 1: Happen, all right, So fante, man, I learned that. What

3304
02:36:35,320 --> 02:36:36,039
Speaker 1: do we learned? Man?

3305
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:40,920
Speaker 10: I learned Stephen Hill as a lot more musical uh

3306
02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:43,120
Speaker 10: appreciation than I realized.

3307
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:43,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

3308
02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:45,760
Speaker 10: This is the first time that me and you have

3309
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:49,640
Speaker 10: ever really have to have a conversation and uh, you know,

3310
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:52,600
Speaker 10: you know it's it's always funny.

3311
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:54,240
Speaker 1: And again you know you answered earlier.

3312
02:36:54,400 --> 02:36:57,040
Speaker 10: Just you know, the people who are in position, who

3313
02:36:57,080 --> 02:36:58,800
Speaker 10: are in power in their program and it's like the

3314
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:02,920
Speaker 10: things that they have to program a lot of times,

3315
02:37:02,920 --> 02:37:05,120
Speaker 10: it's very different from the stuff that they appreciate in

3316
02:37:05,240 --> 02:37:07,760
Speaker 10: their real lives, you know what I'm saying. So I just,

3317
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:10,360
Speaker 10: you know, really appreciate the opportunities to sit and uh

3318
02:37:10,920 --> 02:37:13,360
Speaker 10: clear the air and just to really just talk about

3319
02:37:13,480 --> 02:37:15,240
Speaker 10: music just as fans.

3320
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:16,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. When you talked about going

3321
02:37:16,840 --> 02:37:19,400
Speaker 1: to see Radiohead, I mean, dude, like.

3322
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:23,279
Speaker 6: Bruh England Aly fourth and July fifth, Oh.

3323
02:37:23,240 --> 02:37:26,760
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, yeah, you got your tickets already. Wow.

3324
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:31,600
Speaker 8: No, I'm sorry, No, I'm gonna get them, I hope

3325
02:37:31,640 --> 02:37:32,959
Speaker 8: you have better luck than I did with the New

3326
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:36,160
Speaker 8: York shows. Oh they sold out, like I think the

3327
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:37,920
Speaker 8: server crash or something and by the time it was

3328
02:37:37,959 --> 02:37:38,880
Speaker 8: back up, it was sold out.

3329
02:37:39,480 --> 02:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3330
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:42,240
Speaker 6: So no, man, no, no, no, I want to be clear.

3331
02:37:42,280 --> 02:37:43,840
Speaker 6: I got online. That's why I want to go see

3332
02:37:43,879 --> 02:37:44,680
Speaker 6: him in Amsterdam.

3333
02:37:45,720 --> 02:37:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh so you don't know pros and that.

3334
02:37:49,240 --> 02:37:50,040
Speaker 6: Takes the fun out of it.

3335
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Getting free tickets is the fun part for me.

3336
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:59,920
Speaker 6: You trying to tell me sometimes you're just a fan though, right,

3337
02:38:00,240 --> 02:38:03,360
Speaker 6: So sometimes I was online at four because they went

3338
02:38:03,400 --> 02:38:05,920
Speaker 6: on to say at ten am in every place, So

3339
02:38:06,040 --> 02:38:08,840
Speaker 6: I was up at four a m. On Wasiste dot Org?

3340
02:38:08,920 --> 02:38:13,520
Speaker 6: I think Wasiste dot Org? Get my tickets for Radiohead

3341
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:17,720
Speaker 6: for Amsterdam last May. Absolutely, But dude, sometimes you do

3342
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:19,760
Speaker 6: it as a fan. I'm like, I'm a fan of music. Like,

3343
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:22,240
Speaker 6: there's sometimes I'm not going to say, like I never

3344
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:24,760
Speaker 6: dial in for tickets. I'm going to see Maxwell and Mary.

3345
02:38:24,760 --> 02:38:27,880
Speaker 6: I'm dialing in for tickets, right, But there's sometimes you

3346
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:30,959
Speaker 6: just want to have the entire fan experience, and with Radiohead,

3347
02:38:31,560 --> 02:38:32,000
Speaker 6: you know I.

3348
02:38:34,520 --> 02:38:34,560
Speaker 5: Do.

3349
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I do, absolutely, But if it sells out, you're gonna

3350
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:40,199
Speaker 1: call them, right If.

3351
02:38:39,879 --> 02:38:42,720
Speaker 6: Stub Hub and everything else fails and I really want

3352
02:38:42,760 --> 02:38:45,240
Speaker 6: to go then I will, but that last resort, that's last.

3353
02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:47,520
Speaker 6: But that's last resort because there's with them. It's just

3354
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:48,440
Speaker 6: like I'm a fan.

3355
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Damn. That's what I learned. I learned that Stephen Hill

3356
02:38:51,240 --> 02:38:56,520
Speaker 1: really is a fan wants to pay for it? Uh, Sugar, Steve,

3357
02:38:57,160 --> 02:38:57,680
Speaker 1: how you doing?

3358
02:38:58,040 --> 02:39:01,040
Speaker 7: I learned a lot about Stephen Hill, learned a lot

3359
02:39:01,080 --> 02:39:03,520
Speaker 7: about radio. I learned a lot about pet. What I

3360
02:39:03,560 --> 02:39:06,400
Speaker 7: found interesting was your It seems like from day one

3361
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:10,840
Speaker 7: you got this charge out of breaking new artists or

3362
02:39:10,920 --> 02:39:13,400
Speaker 7: new songs or new music from your college radio days,

3363
02:39:13,400 --> 02:39:15,760
Speaker 7: and now still even up until now, it sounds like

3364
02:39:15,800 --> 02:39:18,920
Speaker 7: you're doing that still and still getting that same rush

3365
02:39:18,959 --> 02:39:20,840
Speaker 7: from it. So I found that cool and interesting.

3366
02:39:22,160 --> 02:39:26,920
Speaker 1: That's that amount of breath amazing. Okay, I'm gonna save

3367
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:32,240
Speaker 1: Laya for last, because no, you'r DC's finest, you know, So,

3368
02:39:32,440 --> 02:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Boss Bill, Yes, what did you learn today? Bruther?

3369
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:36,640
Speaker 8: I learned about hitting the post. I didn't know there

3370
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:38,240
Speaker 8: was a term for that. I did not know there's

3371
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:40,280
Speaker 8: a term for that, and postmaster general, yeah, post master.

3372
02:39:41,400 --> 02:39:42,800
Speaker 8: So miir is going to be hearing a lot about

3373
02:39:42,879 --> 02:39:43,480
Speaker 8: hitting the post.

3374
02:39:44,120 --> 02:39:47,080
Speaker 1: In the future, I can't be FedEx or no, he

3375
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:49,680
Speaker 1: can't work in the mail room hitting the posts. Hitting

3376
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:53,120
Speaker 1: the post. Well, thank you Steve for introducing. You got

3377
02:39:53,160 --> 02:39:54,879
Speaker 1: another task for me to master.

3378
02:39:55,160 --> 02:39:56,480
Speaker 6: You got my pleasure.

3379
02:39:56,959 --> 02:39:59,800
Speaker 1: Gosh, all right, Layah, let's have it.

3380
02:40:01,320 --> 02:40:03,240
Speaker 5: You do such a build up that if I don't

3381
02:40:03,320 --> 02:40:06,120
Speaker 5: do something, I feel like an idiot. I was gonna say,

3382
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:10,640
Speaker 5: I'm learning. I'm learning that you can leave radio and

3383
02:40:10,760 --> 02:40:13,400
Speaker 5: go to greater and better things. However, I'm still learning

3384
02:40:13,440 --> 02:40:16,000
Speaker 5: how to do that because it's interesting. It was when

3385
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:17,520
Speaker 5: you said it was a time when like people really

3386
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:21,160
Speaker 5: appreciated radio, people's opinion like MTV, and those times have change.

3387
02:40:21,360 --> 02:40:23,680
Speaker 5: So I am learning that I am appreciating quest Love.

3388
02:40:26,040 --> 02:40:33,560
Speaker 5: I think that that was leaving radio and transitioning to

3389
02:40:33,680 --> 02:40:35,039
Speaker 5: something better. That's what I meant.

3390
02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:37,960
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, you met me as the radio show, not

3391
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:39,320
Speaker 1: me as an Emir Thompson.

3392
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:39,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3393
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:42,880
Speaker 5: And I learned you should never lose your passion and

3394
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:46,360
Speaker 5: your spirit about radio about music in that way, because

3395
02:40:46,480 --> 02:40:48,600
Speaker 5: most radio people, we start out that way, but you know,

3396
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:51,440
Speaker 5: sometimes the business jade you a little bit, and you know,

3397
02:40:51,520 --> 02:40:53,039
Speaker 5: you don't listen to music for a while and that's

3398
02:40:53,080 --> 02:40:55,520
Speaker 5: what I've been doing. So you kind of encourage me to.

3399
02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:58,400
Speaker 1: Like the music.

3400
02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:00,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the music business, and you've been hurt and

3401
02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:03,160
Speaker 5: fired a couple of times. As you know, you're like,

3402
02:41:03,320 --> 02:41:05,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a break, but no, I'm gonna keep

3403
02:41:05,080 --> 02:41:05,320
Speaker 5: it going.

3404
02:41:05,720 --> 02:41:10,640
Speaker 1: I learned the importance of front selling. I learned the

3405
02:41:10,760 --> 02:41:14,520
Speaker 1: importance of that. Finally, finally I learned that all of

3406
02:41:14,600 --> 02:41:21,200
Speaker 1: my authority figures at at Pandora are relieve that I've

3407
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:28,080
Speaker 1: learned those things. I've learned that this too shall pass

3408
02:41:29,480 --> 02:41:34,720
Speaker 1: word and we will have a prosperous New Year's and

3409
02:41:35,040 --> 02:41:38,840
Speaker 1: we will have a prosperous year and a prosperous decade

3410
02:41:38,879 --> 02:41:44,600
Speaker 1: and a prosperous life. And you know, life goes on.

3411
02:41:44,840 --> 02:41:47,480
Speaker 1: Life ain't over. Which is still in with all right?

3412
02:41:47,560 --> 02:41:50,480
Speaker 1: By Kendrick, I was gonna say, outcast, hold on, be strong?

3413
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:54,480
Speaker 1: Word up? Can we who are we going to throw?

3414
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:57,920
Speaker 1: Just a inter wait? Do me favorite?

3415
02:41:58,160 --> 02:41:58,440
Speaker 9: Can you?

3416
02:41:58,840 --> 02:41:59,760
Speaker 1: Can you front?

3417
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:01,680
Speaker 6: All right? Right?

3418
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:04,520
Speaker 1: You want me to hit try and hit the post?

3419
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:10,959
Speaker 1: I want you because that one start it fades in. Okay,

3420
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:14,959
Speaker 1: here we go. You're gonna front and back Celle, outcast,

3421
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:18,040
Speaker 1: hold on be strong. That'd be like one of the

3422
02:42:18,080 --> 02:42:21,520
Speaker 1: same thing, right, yeah, you gotta by the time minute

3423
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:25,360
Speaker 1: twelve seconds. You ready, why tell me front tell me

3424
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:31,800
Speaker 1: it's plain. It is good evening, ladies and gentlemen. You're

3425
02:42:31,800 --> 02:42:32,879
Speaker 1: tuned in the Quest Love Supreme.

3426
02:42:33,480 --> 02:42:36,080
Speaker 8: As we wrap up this fine, fine episode with our

3427
02:42:36,120 --> 02:42:38,200
Speaker 8: guest Stephen Hill tonight, we want to leave you with

3428
02:42:38,360 --> 02:42:43,680
Speaker 8: some uh some uplifting words from the cast about outcasts.

3429
02:42:44,440 --> 02:42:51,880
Speaker 1: This is hold On Be Strong on Pandora. That was

3430
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:57,920
Speaker 1: out hold On Be Strong, and I'm taking over. Join

3431
02:42:58,040 --> 02:43:01,119
Speaker 1: us next week for another episode of Quest Supreme. Yes,

3432
02:43:01,360 --> 02:43:03,800
Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed us. Thank you very much, Stephen Hill.

3433
02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:07,120
Speaker 6: This has been a black Thank you very much us.

3434
02:43:07,480 --> 02:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Hold body up, hold On be Strong, hold On Be Strong.

3435
02:43:14,520 --> 02:43:18,280
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

3436
02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:24,280
Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more

3437
02:43:24,320 --> 02:43:28,800
Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

3438
02:43:28,840 --> 02:43:30,480
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.