1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Michael Verishow is on the air. That's interesting to me. 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: In the course of my life, different things have happened 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: that I noticed. How we deal with the concept of 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: accountability and consequences and how they are extolled or forgotten 6 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: in that common conversation and in popular culture. It's really 7 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: interesting phenomenon to me because we have a tendency to 8 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: ignore the idea. Do whatever you want, damn the consequence. 9 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Do what makes you feel good, do what gives you gratification. 10 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: I think gratification is a better word than happiness. Happiness 11 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: is a silly word. Nobody's walking around and we're happy. 12 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: We're all happy all the time. 13 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: Just happy. 14 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: You'd get bored being happy, you would. Jordan Peterson has really. 15 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: Done some. 16 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Important work on this subject. He's not the first, but 17 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: he's the first to take it to such a big audience. 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: And the idea that he has that he has really 19 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: popularized is that the pursuit of happiness per se is 20 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: a fool's errand you never actually achieve happiness. Many people 21 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: are watching pop culture and they think the Kardashians are 22 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: happy or diddy. Epstein is happier Lizo or whoever else, 23 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: And then they're shocked to find out that person isn't 24 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: happy in the sense that they believe they would be happy, 25 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: this euphoria overcoming you at all times in warm sensation, 26 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, even though that person is 27 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: their hero. That person is they would sell off their 28 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: kidney to get to go to a concert, to just 29 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: be part of a screaming, teeming, massive people cheering that 30 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: that person is seeing the song they've already heard of them, 31 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: but in the same zip code as them. They're also 32 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: delighted to learn that those people are usually miserable because 33 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: they have been on a journey to the destination of happiness, 34 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: and as it turns out, happiness is not neverland. So 35 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: that makes him feel good because I may not be happy, 36 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: but it turns out that person is supposed to be happy. 37 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: He's supposed to be happy, and he's not happy. So 38 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: that makes me feel better because I thought he was 39 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: just sitting over here just being happy all the time. 40 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: But what Jordan Peterson has done I think groundbreaking work 41 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: in terms of taking it to the masses. 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: As I say, it's not the first to come up 43 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: with this. I understand this. 44 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: The idea that happiness is not the pursuit of man 45 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: should not be the pursuit of man's. 46 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: A it's a throwaway term. 47 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: It's it's a simplistic term that has become a catch all. 48 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: In economics, we use the term utility. It gives some 49 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: people utility to do this or that. Doesn't mean they're 50 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: smiling necessarily. If you hate pedophiles and you get to 51 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: be the executioner of pedophiles, it doesn't make you happy 52 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: to be the executioner, but it gives you utility. And 53 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: Rick Warren in twenty twelve, I think it was wrote 54 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: The Purpose Driven Life, which I actually think it was 55 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: an important book at the time. Idea of finding purpose 56 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: in your life and what you do, living purposefully, intentionally, 57 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: knowing why you're here and what you're doing. And I've 58 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: come to learn that this is why some people, I'm 59 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: going to use that term, are very happy doing a 60 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: job when they don't need to work anymore. 61 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 3: You know. 62 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: The Walmart reader kind of went away. I loved the 63 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: Walmart I loved the Walmart reader because so many of 64 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: the Walmart readers didn't need to work. They didn't turn 65 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: the money down because that's what they used to buy 66 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee while they were there. They arrived early, 67 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: they stayed late, they stayed afterwards. They took their penny 68 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: off and hung around, or kept their penny on. They 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: loved to greet people. What a brilliant idea. You take 70 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: this cold, soulless warehouse full of junk that people are 71 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: coming into to grab, most of which they could do without, 72 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and you put a human face on it, A real 73 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: human face, Not a kid on a phone, not somebody disinterested, 74 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: not somebody checking sports scores or texting their buddies or 75 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: taking Peter Picks, A real human being in comfortable shoes, 76 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: welcoming people into your cold, soulless warehouse. It was a 77 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: brilliant a strike, a stroke of brilliance. It was a 78 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: brilliant move. I love everything about it. But what it 79 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: spoke to in me, which I didn't understand too many 80 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: years later, was the idea of having purpose. I've known 81 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: so many people over the years who cannot wait to retire, 82 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: and the moment they retire, they have the world by 83 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: the tail, and within a couple of days they realize 84 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: they've lost their purpose. Even if work was not their 85 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: purpose because they're pulling a paycheck, punch in a clock. 86 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: They they've lost their routine, and in that routine was comfort. 87 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: You may not like your job per se, the actual job, 88 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: but we put some We put some. 89 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: Dressing on it. 90 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: Right. 91 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: We put a brick on the way to your job. 92 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: You may stop and get a kalachi, and you really 93 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: like talking to the people there at lunch. 94 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: You might enjoy walking across the street and talking on 95 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: the way home. 96 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: You might. Larius was just officially endorsed by IRS Agency. 97 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: Believe the Michael Berry Show. I'd rather not have that endorsement. 98 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Thirteen years until lost his great Andrew Wright bart at 99 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: R far too young, an age, only forty three years old. 100 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: I remember at the time thinking this will have a 101 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: ripple effect for years and years and years, and I 102 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: worried will his legacy live on? He was building something big, 103 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: was building something influential, significant, meaningful. I've told you recently 104 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: the story about him getting up on the table when 105 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: we were in DC at a radio conference with Big News, 106 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: and he loved the confrontation and the conflict and the 107 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: full crumb of change that he was bringing. And he 108 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: was a real warrior I would have been interested to 109 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: watch him during the Trump era and see how he performed. 110 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: It was incredible, But I always wondered how long would 111 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: breit Bart in the institution he built live on. Well 112 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: here we are thirteen years later. The editor in chief 113 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: of Breitbart News is Alex Marlowe, two time New York 114 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: Times bestselling author of Breaking the News and separately Breaking Biden. 115 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: His third book, which I'm looking forward to, is entitled 116 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: Breaking the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System 117 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. This is a subject I've been looking 118 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: forward to discussing. Much like the COVID shot and the 119 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Epstein files. I think these things need to be explored. 120 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: I think we need to dig deep, get granular, and 121 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: understand them and not just rush them under the rug 122 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: and move on as we often tend to do. Alex 123 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: marlow Welcome to the program. 124 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: Mike wice to be with you. Thanks for havving me back. 125 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk about why you write this book, Breaking 126 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's legal system against 127 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump? 128 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: What was the genesis? 129 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: What's going through your head when you decided to put 130 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: the time and effort into this. 131 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: So The first thing I thought of is I was 132 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: watching all of these Trump trials play out. They were 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: six in total, and I I can barely keep these 134 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: things straight. And this man is being asked to defend 135 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: himself publicly, to defend his name, to try to stay 136 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: out of jail, to try to not get bankrupt while 137 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: he's running for reelection, or running for election a second 138 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: time from a courthouse, which has never been asked of 139 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: any standard bearer of any major party in our history. 140 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: All that was off putting into all disgrace. And I 141 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: don't think most of us, unless you're a professional legal pundit, 142 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: could even keep the six cases straight. And then the 143 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: criminal conviction comes down in what I came to regard 144 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: as the worst, most sloppy case of the six, and 145 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: you start realizing this is a political persecution on the 146 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: level we've never seen before, and no one's really described 147 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: me it as such. I regard this as the scandal 148 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: of the century. And it's not just directed to Donald Trump, 149 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 3: as directed as his supporters j six prisoners of people 150 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 3: who were at Trump's attorneys, but just even regular conservative 151 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: Americans have seen a rash of unpersoning d banking having 152 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 3: their law licenses targeted by left wing activist groups. And 153 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: it's all part of this law fair apparatus that's been 154 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: built for a very long time, and it was time 155 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: that someone did a big takedown of it and a 156 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: big explanation of what's really happening in the threat to 157 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: depose us. 158 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: That's a lot to unpack. So where do you start 159 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: with a project like this? How do you begin to 160 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: give structure to something? I'm storybooking a movie here. You've 161 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: got a lot of different court if you got fat Fan, 162 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: You've got Jack Smith, you've got a big tissue, You've 163 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: got the rating, their painting drawers, and mar Lago. How 164 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: do you begin to bring this together and make sense 165 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: of it all so you can tell the story? 166 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I have a good perspective in that I'm 167 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: not an attorney, but I have very smart attorneys who 168 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: work for me at Breitbart. So that was the first move, 169 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: was I when I reached out to my publisher and 170 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: my agent and said, do you think there's there's something here? 171 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: And when they said there was, my next calls were 172 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: to the attorneys on my staff at bright Bard News, 173 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: Joe Pollock, who's a Harvard trained attorney who is probably 174 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: familiar to a lot of your audience, the prolific guy 175 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: King Kleukowski, who works now for Senator Lee in the 176 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: Senate Judiciary, in formally one of our one of our 177 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: senior leagal contributors at Bright Part, super brilliant lawyers, and 178 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: I just started having them just walk me through so 179 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: I could understand the cases. And that's how it began. 180 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: And when I thot I was fluid on the cases, 181 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: which took a very long time. That was probably the 182 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: hardest work that I had to do myself, was to 183 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: try to understand all the differences and keep them straight. 184 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: Once I felt like I had that down, then I 185 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: reached out to President Trump's people and spoke to President 186 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: Trump and spoke to Alina Habla and Borise Epstein and 187 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: a bunch of the people who represent President Trump, and 188 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: they gave me more to tail in more stories. So 189 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: there are stories to tell in this that are exclusive, 190 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 3: which was really interesting. And at that point I was 191 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: able to draw some pretty big conclusions about what was 192 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: really happening here, and I try to lay those out 193 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: and then offer some solutions. 194 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: When you began to research this subject and you start 195 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: talking to I mean Joel. Obviously someone's been on our 196 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: show and a bright mind. And there are some people 197 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: who in disparate parts of the country, with disparate backgrounds, 198 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of them in the legal world who've been 199 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: reporting on peace is, of which this is a whole. 200 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: I think it's a conspiracy, grand conspiracy and carried out 201 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: and conducted in a very impressive, flawlessly conducted mass in 202 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: a very impressive and fast manner. 203 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: As you start researching, what. 204 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: Were some of the things that came clear to you 205 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: that hey, I thought I knew what was going on here, 206 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this. 207 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is something that happens quite a bit. 208 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: And I'm at her in chieaver of white part, so 209 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: I would like to think I know more about what's 210 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: going on in the world than the vast majority of people. 211 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 3: But still, you don't do the job in my line 212 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: of work unless you have a humble streak to you, 213 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: which I do. So I'm routinely in tune with when 214 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: well I learned something, and I can only assume my 215 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: audience doesn't know this either, because if I don't know it, 216 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: then I'm not going to assume that they know it's 217 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: I want to help, And that's really what this endeavor is. 218 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: Is you try to explain a phenomenon in detail in 219 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: a way that's accessible, and hopefully do it in a 220 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: timely manner. Because this lawfare apparatus is working right now, 221 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: it's working over time. But to emphasize the first and 222 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: most important point I can make here is all of 223 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: this is illegal. Everything that went on is illegal. Are 224 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: due process protections in the US Constitution, which we supposedly 225 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: still value as the most consequential legal document in the country, 226 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: And if we regard it as such, then you cannot 227 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 3: have persecutions that are designed directly to target political opponents. 228 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: And then if those still somehow end up in criminal 229 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: convictions or judgments where you're found liable in a civil court, 230 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: you cannot assess cruel and unusual punishments. And in the 231 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: cases that Trump lost, and there were several of them, 232 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: there were invariably assigned cruel and unusual punishments, punishments that 233 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: had never been levied on any person ever, especially not 234 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: someone who's currently running for president. All this design is 235 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: avert our democracy so that you, of the people in 236 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 3: this audience don't get to choose who your elected leaders are, 237 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: so long as they offend the lawfare app. 238 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: So I started life as a lawyer. You wouldn't know this. 239 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: I started life as a lawyer, and I went to 240 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: the University of Texas Law school, and all I ever 241 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be was a lawyer. I was in love 242 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: with the law and Oliver Wendell Holmes and Antonin Scalia, 243 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas and these titans of law. And then I 244 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: went on and did another law degree because I wanted 245 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: to teach law. I believe in the law. I love it, 246 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: I admire it, jurisprudence in the history. And to see 247 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: this done it seconds me. Our guest is Alex Marlowe. 248 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: He is the editor in chief of Breitbart News. He's 249 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: a two time New York Times bestselling author. He wrote 250 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Breaking the News, and then he wrote Breaking Biden, and 251 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: now he writes perhaps the most consequential of the three, 252 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: Breaking the Law, exposing the weaponization of America's legal system 253 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. What do you think is going to 254 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: shock people most, Alex about this book? 255 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Is the book available now? 256 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? It is. Actually it's also a bestsellers or do 257 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: your Times bestsellers? So three in a row for me. 258 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: So thanks. If anyone in the audience I bought it already, 259 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: thanks for the support. 260 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: And you can find it online and at bookstores near you. 261 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: Alex. 262 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well wherever you want. Amazon's easiest. I'm not I 263 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: understand that's unpalable to some people. But Amazon's easiest, Bontan, 264 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: Noble Books, a million whatever is your favorite target, and 265 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: Walmart it out them too, So how do you like 266 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: to get it? I'm pretty agnostic. Got count on it 267 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: being in your local cutsy bookstore, though as much as 268 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: we all love those stores, those people don't tend to 269 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: share my politics. 270 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't think the Aspen bookstore will have it. I 271 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: was reading about the book, and your book publicist said 272 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: in conclusion, finally he makes bold predictions on where Lawfair 273 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: is heading. Yes, they really are coming for you and 274 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: other plays to fight. It's expanse before it's too late. 275 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: I think everyone wants to know. Okay, I don't want 276 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: him harming Trump because he's my defender, he's our great president. 277 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: But how is this coming for me? 278 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? So, first of all, in terms of the surprises, 279 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: the biggest surprise for me, what I was shocked by 280 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: was how there was coordination with the White House, or 281 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: at least the very oppreaschlawns of the DJ which you're 282 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: clearly coordinating with the White House in all six of 283 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: the major cases that I went through, which is every 284 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: one of them violates to process rights. And the fact 285 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: that this wasn't somehow adjudicated before the election is shocking, 286 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: and it does it does boggle the mind that this 287 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: was tolerated by our legal apparatus, and one of the 288 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: cases made all the way to the Supreme Court, and 289 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: it was still because Justice S. Barrett, who I have 290 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: mixed opinions on. I don't not everything she does is wrong, 291 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: but she started with the three Liberals and basically legitimizing 292 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: one of the most offensive cases. I'll let the audience 293 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: read for that one. But I was stunned by the coordination, 294 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: the blatant coordination with the White House that was done, 295 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: which is clearly clearly illegal, and yet nothing was done 296 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: about it at the time, which shocks me. But it 297 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: doesn't mean we can't investigate and try to hold people 298 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: accountable now. In fact, we must. And so that's what 299 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: I try to lay out some predictions because the consequences 300 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 3: are is that if the people who are empowered now 301 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: are not investigating, they need to be removed, and we 302 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: need to be We need to find better, more steadfast, 303 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: more gutsy, more diligent representatives. So I'm speaking of the 304 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: conservative movement here. If you are not saskary of your 305 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 3: elected leaders, we need to find better ones and vote 306 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: for them. And we cannot sit out mitterm elections. We 307 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: can't sit out special elections. We cannot not pay attention 308 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: to the judge ship elections that are down our ballots. 309 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: We need to be vigilant and engaged twenty four to 310 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: seven if we have any intention of beating the law 311 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 3: for superstructure. Because they're working very hard right now in 312 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: terms of how they're coming for us. The tease us 313 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: a little bit last time. But I go through cases 314 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: of de banking where people lose their bank accounts because 315 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 3: they have a conservative business. I go through cases of 316 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: lawyers being targeted for disbardment, lawyers who are not just 317 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: you don't get a job at a white shoe law 318 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: firm and make seven figures. We're talking about. There's a 319 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: group called Project sixty five, led by David Brock, who 320 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: started Media Matters, which I'm sure is very familiar to 321 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: most of the people here. It's a left wing advocacy 322 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: media group. Now he's on the left wing advocacy in 323 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 3: the legal realm where he's trying to get conservative attorneys 324 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: disbarred so they cannot practice law at all, not that 325 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: they can't get their in job, that they literally cannot 326 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: apply their craft and make money. That's designed to discourage 327 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: people from giving conservative solid representation. I also go through 328 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: the J six cases where you see how because there 329 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 3: was a political motive in mind, how the left over 330 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: charge they use these they really get stop the ask tactics. 331 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: I mean just doorstepping people, people showing up on the 332 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: tarmac for you know, people who are just really low 333 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: level Republican organizers, and you know, embarrassing them in front 334 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: of their families with the rests and stuff like that. 335 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 3: Horrible stuff that took place in this country recently, and 336 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 3: to my knowledge, almost no one has been held to account, 337 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 3: if anyone. 338 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: It's such a pernicious, evil way to conduct this battle, 339 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: and it is for these people a battle, it's a war, 340 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: and to hit people to punch them in their paycheck 341 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: in this manner is really really nasty and it's like 342 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: you're picking off one at a time, right, you know, 343 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: in their careers, and we can't possibly profile them all 344 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: at the same time, and a lot of people will 345 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: just it'll have a scarecrow effect. 346 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: They will simply say, you know what's not worth it? 347 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: I got a wife and kids, I got a kid 348 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: with medical issue. I don't want to mess with it. 349 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: You got it. That's exactly That's the whole thing I'm 350 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: learning against. So if we're not, we don't steal ourselves. 351 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: First of all, we need to wipe out the bad 352 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: actors figuratively speaking. I want to be careful there. We're 353 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: not talking about physical violence, but we want to make 354 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: sure that they aren't empower and then if they do, 355 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: we have to be prepared on a mental level that 356 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 3: they really do hate us. This is their political power 357 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: is much more important than our freedoms, our freedom to 358 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: have a good representation, our freedom to keep our freedom 359 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 3: and stay out of jail, our freedom to not have 360 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: our time and money wasted the way they did with 361 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Trump would have survived these cases if he 362 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: wasn't incredibly resilient and also incredibly wealthy. His wealthy was 363 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: a superpower here because she could survive these judgements. The 364 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 3: Court New York still has one hundred and seventy five 365 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: million dollars of his money on a bond right now? 366 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: Could you part with one hundred and seventy five million 367 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: right now? I couldn't? 368 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: You know what's amazing about that? I talked about this 369 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: at that time. That's that's one hundred and seventy four 370 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: in liquid cash. 371 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: You know that. People said, Oh, I thought he was 372 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: so rich. 373 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: Your money is tied up in assets and to find 374 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: free cash like that. The attempt there was to remember 375 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: she wanted four to ten. I think she won four 376 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: hundred and ten or maybe four to fifty. 377 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: She right, y'all ended up being much closer to to 378 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: five hundred than one. Yeah, said well, and the. 379 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: Effect there was to lose. 380 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, she was really really engaged in some nastiness. 381 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: I've never seen that. 382 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: He wasn't about nastiness. His James not only campaigned on Trump. 383 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: She was gleeful. Alvin Bragg campaign against Trump, so did 384 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: Fannie Willis, So she was leticians wasn't alone in advertising 385 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: to her constituency. I'm here to get Trump, and that's 386 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: why I'm here. And not to uphold the law. But 387 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: with Willis she was I'm sorry, I'm not well. So 388 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 3: with James, she would tweet the amount of interest that 389 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: Trump was accumulating each day, just to rub it in 390 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 3: his face. She was gloating, she was show notting, and 391 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 3: that's how she treated the things. It was all a 392 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 3: game to her. But for the vast majority of us, 393 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 3: and I'll tell you make this point. I want to know. 394 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: I'm not a particularly wealthy person, but i'd want to 395 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: know some really wealthy people in my line of work, 396 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: and they regard a difference between liquid wealth and wealth 397 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: that is tied up in assets and in golf courses 398 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 3: and in hotels. There's an extra set of admiration for 399 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: people who are liquid, because a lot of the richest 400 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: people you know aren't that liquid. They're not necessarily they 401 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 3: can't just scrounge together half a billion dollars, even if 402 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: they're a billion there. That's not easy to do. And 403 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: Trump is getting asked to do this in the middle 404 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 3: of an election. It's hard to do even for guys 405 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: Richard Trump well. 406 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: And people put their cash to work, whether that is 407 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, especially for a guy in real estate. They 408 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: put it to work in long term investments, and the 409 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: ability to pull cash quickly is very very difficult, especially 410 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: that amount of cash. And they knew that. That's the 411 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: point is that they knew that, Yes, and so you 412 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: really put somebody in a pinch, and that is an injustice. 413 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: You know, when we look at you mentioned fat Fanny 414 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and of course she was carrying on with 415 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Nathan Wade, her investigator, and then they've been caught recently. 416 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: Since then, where did that case end up? 417 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that case turned out to be the sloppiest 418 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: of the cases and one of my favorites to write about. 419 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: I'm in the book because I get to tell the story. 420 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: The biggest mistake Fani made, and it wasn't that she 421 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: hired Nathan Wade, which was absurd. She hired their boyfriend, 422 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: who is a family lawyers who's married, by the way, 423 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: when she hired him, and that he left his wife, 424 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 3: I guess, but he was well. 425 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: Remember his wife was the one who bought off all 426 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: this up. His Thank goodness for his. 427 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: Wife because when she was scorn, she went public with this. 428 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: Alex Marlow was our guess. The book is breaking the law. 429 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: Exposing the weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Crompery. 430 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 3: He just shows me what it's like to be, you know, 431 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: a real man. 432 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: I have never met someone so wonderful. 433 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: I call him written Michael Berry. 434 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: Alex Marlow is our guest of Breit Martin, where he's 435 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: editor in chief of Breit Martin News. He's written Breaking 436 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: the News, He's written Breaking Biden, and now he's written 437 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: Breaking the Law exposing the weaponization of America's legal system 438 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. 439 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: He was talking about fat Fanny and. 440 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: Her paramour, her lover, her casanova, her fellow adulter, Nathan Wade, 441 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: and that case. 442 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: I had to interrupt you, but go ahead. 443 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you. I'm sorry. I get really amated 444 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 3: about this. I love this one. So she puts her boyfriend, 445 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: who's no businessing in the case on the case. The 446 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: White House is inviting him multiple times to the White House, 447 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: so obviously this is cooked. But the worst thing she did, 448 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: and I write it back in the book and one 449 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: of my absolute favorite essays in the book. I try 450 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 3: to break it up into bite sized pieces, so if 451 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: you're reading before bad, you can read for eight ten 452 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: minutes and then you're good. But one of My favorite 453 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 3: essays is how the biggest mistake Fanny made is she 454 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: had a series of indictments. You guys probably remember the mugshots. 455 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 3: Some of them are really cool with the Trump market 456 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 3: mug shout of course posomic in history. Some of them 457 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: ever looked very sad. But she invited a guy named 458 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 3: Mike Roman. And this is the dumbest thing anyone could 459 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: have done. I know Mike Roman because Mike Roman has 460 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 3: been a source for me at White Bart for a 461 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: decade and a half. But she's a political operative extraordinary 462 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: and he's the type of guy that if you're going 463 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: to do anything bad to Mike Roman, you better be 464 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: squeaky clean, because if you have an unpaid parking ticket, 465 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: Roman is going to find it. And Roman was the 466 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: guy who found all the details about Willis, all the 467 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: improprieties that she had had, all this stuff of Nathan 468 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 3: wod with regards to taking the taxpayer dollars and using 469 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: it to go to NAPA for wine casing, using it 470 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: to go cruising in the Caribbean, dacasing in the Florida Keys, 471 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 3: all in taxpayer dollars. Roman finds all that stuff and 472 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: basically even MSNBC was saying, now the case isn't winnable. 473 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: The judge turned on Fannie Willis, and that is why 474 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: that case ended up in just a total dud for 475 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: the for for the bad guys. And so I didn't 476 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: tell that story was really fun because I don't know 477 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 3: anyone knows that detail that had Fanny not and died 478 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 3: with Mike Roman, we might have had a totally different result. 479 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: But she really messed with the wrong guy. 480 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Did you did you sit down with Roman? 481 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Had you spent some time with him? 482 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: I wish that, I can bet it, but I had. 483 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: I had this story down. I created every It was 484 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: mostly just a time issue, but I know him and 485 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: I know the story was very clear to me. I 486 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: watched it come together from Afar and I because I 487 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: remember her indicting Roman, and I remember her thinking that 488 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: is not smart. And then Roman put out all this 489 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: in court filings. So it was really easy for me 490 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: to go through it. I didn't need anything extra. It 491 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: wasn't like I had I didn't need. I really didn't 492 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: see that good like. I didn't need anything extra. I 493 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: got the picture because he's not efficient in the way 494 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: he operates. I working back with him, Aphroadela Well, will friendly. 495 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: It's just you know, I do I have three jobs 496 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: and I got I got to move ast. 497 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: You know, I get that I did it. That's that's 498 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: the great frustration here is time is our biggest enemy. 499 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: If you get them on your shows, he would be 500 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: a great interview. He's amazing person. 501 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: I will hold you over when we're done to get 502 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: some advice on how to contact him. I would love 503 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: to talk to him. Let's talk about the as I 504 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: like to describe it, the the federal government rating millennious 505 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: painty drawers in order to intimidate Trump. 506 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: And and the rumor was that that. 507 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: They were authorized to shoot to kill. I mean, and 508 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: you've got you've got Secret Service, protection of the press. 509 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this was a really really dangerous, you know, 510 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: Crusehof and Kennedy kind of moment. 511 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: This This was this was. 512 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 3: Scary, Yeah, it is, and it was interesting. I got 513 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 3: some I'll talk to some of the Trump children about this. 514 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: And they weren't home, but you know, just watching. And 515 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: then there are security cameras that there are people are 516 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 3: going through Baron's Peloton room. They're going through Milania's underwear 517 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: drawer looking for state secrets for documents that Trump could 518 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 3: have unclassified at any point. And this is one where 519 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: Trump was not perfect in this regard because he should 520 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: have formally waived his magic wand or whatever he needed 521 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: to do with the National Archives. But the National Archives 522 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 3: is not going to lead to a surprise FBI raid 523 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: on your home. They're not going to demand that sort 524 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: of thing. They never have, there's no pressent for it. 525 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: I go through all the president and it was clearly 526 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: an abuse of power, and that's something that was done 527 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: by Merrick Garland and the DJ. Merrick Garland's an amazing 528 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 3: figure in this book because he's really a ponscious pilot 529 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 3: type and that he's not the He's not. It's his 530 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 3: weakness that's the problem, is that he was surrounded Everyone 531 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 3: says he's a nice guy, but he was surrounded by 532 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: some of the most rabid law fair generals. I profile 533 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: on the book, Lisa Monico and Benita Gupta, his number 534 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 3: two and number three of the DJ. I think they 535 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 3: were the ones instigating this. They take their keys from 536 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 3: the MSNBC guys, the Andrew Weissman, the guy who is 537 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: the number one pit bull for Robert Muller, and that's 538 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: who we're really running that operation. And that's why we 539 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: need investigations because none of that's out in the open. 540 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: And I can surmise all this stuff, but I don't 541 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 3: have subpoena power. I can't go and get all the 542 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: detail we need, the detail of how that hugely offensive 543 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: event happened. 544 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is my hope that I mean, look 545 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: since since Trump took office, you know, we're half a 546 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: year since that happened, and look at how many things 547 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: have already come to light and how many investigations have begun. 548 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: I really do think there is a real effort. You know, 549 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: there's a certain it's sort of like when you see 550 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: a neighborhood that John Q. Wilson broken pay theory, you 551 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: see a neighborhood coming back to life. It's like all 552 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: of these things are being exposed. People are emboldened to 553 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: come forward and tell their story, and I think that's fantastic. 554 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the two New York cases. 555 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: We have the. 556 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: Egen Carroll Nutt and then you have the Attorney general there. 557 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the money she forced 558 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: him to put up, and that we haven't talked about 559 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: the judge and his relationship and who his daughter is. 560 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: But I'll just let you go on there. This is 561 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: riveting stuff. Alex Marlow's our guest. He's from Breitbart. The 562 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: book is Breaking the Law, exposing the weaponization of America's 563 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: legal system against Donald Trump. 564 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the two New York cases, You've got to 565 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: keep them straight in the sense that one's criminal and 566 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: one was a civil case. They're both treated like criminal cases, 567 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: which is why they get confusing, and even smart people 568 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: I know get them get them confused. But I'll tell 569 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: you a couple of quick tidbits about each. So the 570 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: first one, the criminal case is a Stormy Daniel's case. 571 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: Frame is a hush money case. You know, Michael, your attorney. 572 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: Hush money is not illegal. It's also not a mission 573 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: of guilt. You can pay hush money to someone, and 574 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: Trump is done in the past. And I established this 575 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: that he's willing to pay just to keep annoying people 576 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: quiet when they clearly of nothing. They're just going to 577 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: create a media spectacle. And he's a busy guy with 578 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 3: other stuff he wants to do. He doesn't always be 579 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 3: involved in that. So then they kind of came up 580 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: with this way of turning what was a lapsed misdemeanor 581 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: into a felony by trying to act like it was 582 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: a campaign violation, which was absurd because a married man 583 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: who's very powerful might pay hush money to someone for 584 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: a million different reasons, the reputational, you know, not having 585 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: a public scandal. It didn't have to do with campaigns 586 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: at all. And yet that's what they claimed, which was 587 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 3: ridiculous on its face. And not to mention, there isn't 588 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: really strong evidence that the allegations against Trump were true. 589 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: And I want to be carefuller because I don't I 590 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: want it super defamation that if you remember counting of 591 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 3: what the porn actress Stormy Daniel says Trump did with her, 592 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 3: it doesn't really add up. A lot of it doesn't 593 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: make sense at all, and Trump's always denied it. So 594 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: you guys can go through that and I think you'll 595 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: find that to be pretty enlightening. But that ends up 596 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: in the criminal conviction because there was a co courtroom. 597 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: There's nothing that could be done to once that trial 598 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: got going. But the reason why I got going was 599 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: because of the Russia collusion hoax. And this is a 600 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: big detail in the book The key to that trial 601 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: was Michael and his Gmail account, which was accessed by 602 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: Robert Muller and the DOJ during the Russia collusion hoax. 603 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: So if the Russian coclusion host, which was not legitimate, 604 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: didn't lead all those investigations, Trump would not have the 605 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: convicted trail and branding which they're still smearing with today. 606 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 3: So that's a really big deal. The other New York 607 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: case is the tiss Chains one. That's the criminal, the 608 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 3: case that was really a civil case. She treats him 609 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: like a criminal. That was the one with the victimless 610 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: crime where Trump allegedly defrauded these banks who lent them money. 611 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: But the banks never complained about Trump, So there shouldn't 612 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: be any civil cases unless a claimant claims that they 613 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: need to have some sort of retributions, some sort of 614 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: retributed damages because they had been screwed by someone. Well, 615 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 3: none of the Day's complained. In fact, the banks loved 616 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: working with Trump and wanted to work with him again, 617 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: and yet she somehow manufactured this in a juryless trial 618 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: and got him assessed a penalty that was cool and 619 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: unusual because there were no damages. 620 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: Thank you,