1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Samuel gets Williams in front of my youth pocket deep. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Then Sean touchdown plays no flags. Another one for San Francisco. 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: What's on? He's got his session touchdowns forty Niners. Here's Kurds, 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: George Kurdell, touch JOm forty Niners. So many touchdowns to 5 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: choose from, we couldn't get to them all. Thirty eight 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to tend the San Francisco forty Niners drop a hammer 7 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: on the Cardinals. The outscored him twenty one to nothing 8 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: in the second half of this game. By the end, 9 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: we had Trace mc sorley and a man named Black 10 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Purty in the game. We've also got a man named 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Jason Zumwall. On the show tonight, I'm Greg Rosenthal. We're 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna get to uh six yak bros All time yak Bros. 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Later in the show yards after catch receivers that I've 14 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: enjoyed watching. But first we're gonna make poor Jason discuss 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: a game in which his team, the Arizona Cardinals, lost 16 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: thirty eight to ten. And if you're not familiar with Jason, 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: just listen to the start of every show on our Tuesday, 18 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: Thursday and Sunday shows. You'll hear his voice. It's the 19 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: voice of God. Jason Zumwall. How are you doing, buddy. 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: I'm I'm at a tipping point in my life right now. Greg, 21 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. Um, it's difficult right 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: now being an Arizona sports fan. Uh, not that it's 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: ever not been difficult being an Arizona sports fan. Um, 24 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: I get in this argument with Dan a lot. You 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: know who has it worse. You know, he has a 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl I don't care if he wasn't alive when 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: it happened. His team has one. Now that doesn't count. 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're not alive. But yeah, that's 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: a fair point. Are wearing an Arizona Cardinals scarf and 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: uh in Arizona Cardinals winter hat. I believe you've traveled 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: to Boston and you're doing this in your in law's 32 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: house close to midnight. So once again, yeah, thank you 33 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: for reliving this pain because it was ugly. Yeah, it was. 34 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: It couldn't have been more ugly. It was. It was 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: a nightmare. UM. I guess, like, the the most you 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: can hope for when you have your backup playing behind 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: uh nothing but backups on the offensive line, is that 38 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: you're not totally embarrassed. Uh. And then like you know, 39 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: if you're lucky, you win. Well. Uh, this was like 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: falling down the stairs with your pants, stand around your 41 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: ankles and your butt out in the moonlight, landing face 42 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: first and dog pood. This was embarrassing. I mean it 43 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: was close at the first half. It was seventeen to ten, 44 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: and all the stats actually were even. Really the difference 45 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: in the first half of the game was James Conner 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: uh weirdly going for a one handed catch on a 47 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: pass that he didn't need to and that turning into 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: an interception. Other than that, you know, you kind of 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: saw the Colt McCoy feistinus that they're moving the ball down. 50 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: They they forced a couple of punts early from the 51 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: forty niners, but then the forty niners uh wound up 52 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: scoring oh six times in their next seven possessions for 53 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: a total of thirty eight points. Most of them were touchdowns. 54 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: It was embarrassing. The Cardinals defense had no shot. We 55 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: will get to what it's like being a Cardinals fan 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: and where the Cardinals are right now, because it's ugly. 57 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: It's four and there, four and seven. If we didn't 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: fork them before. I don't remember if we did or not. 59 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: We can fork them, okay, you remember they have they 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: have a fork. Uh. The Hard Knocks episode is going 61 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: to be ugly. But I I make the mistake of 62 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: asking a guest that's a fan or covers a team 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: on pretty often on this Monday night show, and every 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: single time that team has lost, and then the fans 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: of the winning team complain that we didn't talk about 66 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: the relevant team, and in this case especially the forty 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Niners are truly the relevant team. So we're gonna talk 68 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: forty Niners for a while. And uh, and what they're 69 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: looking like it's crazy to me is um, Well, I 70 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: know you've watched this team a lot. You're big NFC 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: West guy, and they're a past first team right now, 72 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: which is weird. I know they traded for Christian McCaffrey 73 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: and Elijah Mitchell had some nice runs tonight, but they're 74 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: a past first team and it's a very concentrated past 75 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: first team. Only four players on the Forts caught passes tonight. 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: George Kettle goes for f eighty four and two touchdowns. 77 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: McCaffrey kills you in the passing game. He's just kind 78 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: of the checkdown guy. When Jimmy G can't find an 79 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: open receiver, you find McCaffrey for seven or eight yards. 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel had seven for seven fifty seven along with 81 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: that long run, and then I you had to touchdowns. 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: It's crazy to me that I think moving forward, even 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: though they tried to get rid of Jimmy G, they 84 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: are gonna be balanced that worse and maybe a past 85 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: first type of team because of the talent that they have. 86 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: You know, at one point, I was just kind of 87 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: watching the game and I was like, uh, Brandon Aiyu 88 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: he's great. I remember when he was in Arizona Sun 89 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Devil in the same neighborhood as the Cardinals. And what 90 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: did they do? Who did they pick up instead of 91 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Brandon aiyuk? Oh? It is Isaiah's Simmons. Yay, we have 92 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: failed again. Yeah, the forty Niners are um an absolute beast. 93 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: And and you did bring up that it looks you know, 94 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: it was like, what could happen here? The Cardinals look feisty, 95 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: there's Colt McCoy, he's slinging, he's getting it out fast, 96 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: and the guys look lively. It was that pass to 97 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: James corner where everything just like the wheels just kicked off, 98 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: But something would have happened regardless, because I think if 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: you played this game ten times, especially at altitude, where 100 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: it just felt like the Cardinals ran out of gas 101 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: and the Forts have been training at altitude, I think 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: that was a smart move by them. But it doesn't 103 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't think any of that matters because Vance Joseph's 104 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: done a good op scheming against the forty Niners over 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: the years. You can't blame it on the coaches. They've 106 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: actually won three out of the last four against forty 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: Niners over the last couple of years, sometimes with underman talent. 108 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: I just don't think this Cardinals defense has enough good players. 109 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: And I think right now the forty Niners are almost 110 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: in like early October if they were a normal team, 111 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: because they've been waiting for this offensive line, who had 112 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: no experience to come together, they've been waiting to get healthy. 113 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: They bring in McCaffrey, Garoppolo, you know, didn't start to 114 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: start the season or have a training camp, and it's 115 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: almost like they're just starting to figure out what they 116 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: can be, and what they can be is an offense 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: that gets the ball out of Garoppolo's hands quickly and 118 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: then someone makes a play after the catch. The Cardinals 119 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: did not want to tackle, uh these guys that the 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: effort on the second Kittle touchdown was embarrassing, but even 121 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: on other plays, like it's just hard to get these 122 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: guys down, And I don't think that's a Cardinals problem. 123 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: I just think that's gonna be a problem for every 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: In the forty Niners play, it just felt like the 125 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: whole time, even in the first half, when the forty 126 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: Niners and uh, we're kind of uh playing even with 127 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, um that at some point they were just 128 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: going to pull away. It just never really looked to 129 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: me like the Cardinals really had a chance to here. 130 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it had anything to do 131 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: with the altitude. I I was upset when I found 132 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: out that the Cardinals didn't show up to Mexico until 133 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: I think yesterday, Um, the fourth, Like you said, the 134 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: forty Niners were in Colorado this whole week practicing. There's 135 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: like little details that go into this that you know, 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: you can say you can't blame the coaches, but at 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: the same time, it's like, why weren't they in Colorado? 138 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: Why were they up in Flagstaff? I mean, come on, 139 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: that's like two hours away from you, guys, Like it 140 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: was just good and good good uh Arizona knowledge thereography. Yeah, 141 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: I was trying to think of the perfect word for it. 142 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't come up with it. But only you would know, 143 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: Like where's the altitude Arizona place to go? Do? No, 144 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: the bidwells. That just doesn't seem like something they would do. 145 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like something Cliff Kingsbury would do. I mean, 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: you can definitely blame coaches in that. I think the 147 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals are an inferior coaching staff and they're not run 148 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: as well in terms of finding players that fit their 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: scheme sticking with the Like when they drafted Iu, I 150 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't quite see it, and then you watch him do 151 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: the route that he did on that first touchdown and 152 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, this guy is so talented. He didn't 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: even need to make plays after the catch. And you 154 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: find all of these guys that fit a certain mold, 155 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: and Kyle Shanahan knows how to use them, and McCaffrey 156 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: fits into that mold. And for the second straight week 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: he wasn't even the leading rusher in terms of attempts 158 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: or yards. That was Mitchell who went nine for fifty nine. 159 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: They didn't even need to run the ball that much. 160 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Debo had that thirty nine yard run that was just 161 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: perfectly drawn up and perfectly blocked. And you've got you know, 162 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: the backup tight end Croft, you know, making plays down 163 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: the field. They're just really well coached in terms of 164 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: their blocking scheme, and the talent is the best I 165 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: think that the forty Niners have had. And it's hard 166 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: not to watch them and think they're better off with 167 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy and that this version of Jimmy is back to 168 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the type of version because he doesn't have a bum shoulder, 169 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and it's back to the or version because he doesn't 170 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: have to do much. Like that offense has very specific answers. 171 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: I used to do a show with with Andrew Hawkins, 172 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: who was in that offense under Kyle Shanan, and he's like, 173 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: they just want quarterbacks to not make any interpretation. They're 174 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: not doing choice routes for the receivers where they can 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: get It's like, this is the right place to go 176 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: to the ball one, two, three. If it's not, they're 177 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: just eat it and and just like don't improvise at all, 178 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: and you could kind of see how good Jimmy Garoppolo 179 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: is in the system on that touchdown to Ayuk Maurice 180 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Jones who thought that was the fourth read on that 181 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: progression and he got to a Uk in about two 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: and a half three seconds. So Jimmy G's not a 183 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: top ten quarterback, but he is good at some things, 184 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: and he's been in this system so long that he 185 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: can beat up kind of an overmatched Cardinals defense. Well, 186 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: look when he has all the time in the world 187 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: to you know, just sit back there and go through 188 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: four reads, you know eventually something is good. But it 189 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: wasn't even that long. He got to it in like 190 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: two and a half three seconds. I think that was 191 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: what was amazing. But you're right, the Cardinals have not 192 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: had any pass rush whatsoever all year. J. J. Watt 193 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: is still their best pass rusher, I would say, on balance, 194 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: which is not not great at this point. No, it's 195 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: not great. I don't know, man, you know, it's just uh, 196 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: they just looked like a total buzz saw tonight and 197 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: they had just cut right through the Cardinals and um, 198 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: that second half was just it just felt, like I said, 199 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: inevitable it was just like this boulder rolling downhill, you know, 200 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: when the Cardinals were doing their best to stay out 201 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: of it, you know, and get their shots in when 202 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: they could. But eventually that thing was just gonna pick 203 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: up game and just smash us in the phase. And 204 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: then it did in such an embarrassing international way, multiple 205 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: multiple countries. I know the UK audience was watching it 206 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: on Channel five and and enjoying the beta. The forty 207 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: Niners are a team though, that I think have entertaining blowouts. 208 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: I've been expecting this team to look like this more 209 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: often this season than actually they have. And it's interesting 210 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: that they've mostly done it in their division games, which 211 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: usually think like, okay, the other coaches know them well, 212 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: but they've looked at their best in these division games. 213 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: They blew the doors off the Seahawks in Week two, 214 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: they crushed the Rams both times. Uh, and now this 215 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: game against the Cardinals, who generally have had their numbers. 216 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: If you look ahead at their schedule, they have the Saints, 217 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: then they have a tough three games Dolphins, Bucks and 218 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: at Seattle that's kind of the key part of the 219 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: rest of their schedule, and then three forgiving games to 220 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: finish Commanders playing better, and then at Las Vegas and 221 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals they're at six and four. Now kind of where 222 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: do you see them in the NFC picture overall? Because 223 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: to me, I kind of look at them, the Eagles 224 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys as the best three teams on paper. 225 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: The Forts are now tied for the division lead. They 226 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: have the tie breaker over Seattle, so technically they're the 227 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: three seat. They'll have to go win the division. But 228 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: I think that's very doable. And to me, I look 229 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: at that schedule and I don't see more than one 230 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: maybe two losses and and eleven and six, twelve and 231 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: five probably gets it done. As much as I love 232 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: the fighting genos up in Seattle, yeah, I would say 233 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: minimum uh ten wins? Like minimum? Way they don't get 234 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: ten wins? Um, So yeah, they're they're beast and uh 235 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: I for one am am sick of them not getting 236 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: over the hump with this. Uh I just want to 237 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: see it happen. I just want to watch you do 238 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: as a division rival you do because I feel like 239 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: this is a nightmare scenario for the Cardinals in many ways, 240 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: it also a nightmare scenario for the Ramsey just won 241 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and then they could watch their rivals 242 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: go win one the next year. I really do think 243 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: that the NFC playoff picture has has more than one contender, 244 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: but I don't see anyone that should be seen as 245 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: a as a higher favorite than San Francisco. I maybe 246 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: give only the tiniest of edges to Philadelphia because they're 247 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: more likely to have a buy, but that's it. Otherwise, 248 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: on a neutral field, they seem pretty equal. Well, okay, 249 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: so they're they're built to win the NFC West, right 250 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: from the top to the bottom. They're built to win 251 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: NFC West. That's that's what they focus on. And there 252 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: are two games away from sweeping it, right, isn't that right? Yeah, 253 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: they have to beat the Seahawks again and the Cardinals. 254 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: The Cardinals in Week eighteen. The only way the Cardinals 255 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: are winning that game is if the forty Niners are 256 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: resting starters. Yeah, oh gosh, yeah that's true. That's true, 257 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get another win, Greg, but um, it's 258 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: just kind of forgot my point. But it's just okay, 259 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: here's here. Here. It is the only way, the only 260 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: thing at this point that is going to kind of 261 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: get them off my radar and make me fear them less. 262 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: Is a Super Bowl hangover? Does that make sense? I 263 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: want them to win a Super Bowl and then suck 264 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: the next year like the Rams did. That's about as 265 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: dark as uh as it gets. You can hope for 266 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: them to lose before Yeah, they could. They could certainly 267 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: blow it again in the NFC playoffs, but the difference 268 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: between them uh in in most teams out there. But 269 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: I would not put the Eagles and Cowboys in this mix. 270 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: And we'll see Seattle. Seattle's got a long way to go, 271 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: but we we can see is they could win a 272 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: game with a totally dominant offensive performance. Now we we 273 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: just know that they could put up thirty five on 274 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: a bad defense, and there's not that many offenses like that, 275 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: and they can win a game with a totally dominant 276 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: defensive performance. I know they had the hiccup against the Chiefs, 277 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: but Nick Bosa was getting after tonight. Fred Warner's back 278 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: to having a great season. They really know how to 279 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: coach up players in the secondary chart. Various ward is 280 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, suddenly a shut down corner for them, But 281 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: then they just bring in guys that you don't know 282 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: well and they fit them into their system. So they're big, 283 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: they're mean, they're scary, and uh, this was a game 284 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: for everyone to realize that, Yeah they're six and four, 285 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: but they feel a lot more like a seven and 286 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: three or eight and two team. Let's let's talk a 287 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: little Cardinals though, because they're there are four and seven team, 288 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: and I feel like for most of the season they've 289 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: actually felt worse than their record. Now there four and seven, 290 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's caught up. They almost are more of a 291 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: three and eight team to me, I mean, because they 292 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: want a couple of those games early. Uh, in tough situations. 293 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: They've signed Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kim who've made these 294 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: these picks that you're disappointed with. Through seven, Kyler Murray's 295 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,239 Speaker 1: out again with the hamstring injury. It wouldn't be surprising 296 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: if we don't see him until after the Cardinals by 297 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: although this performance maybe you know, gets them to push 298 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: him to come back earlier. We'll see. Just like where 299 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: they're done for this season? Where where do you? I 300 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: don't know, where where are you at? With this regime 301 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: which seems to be less and less promising every year. 302 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: It feels like they're not going to go away this year. 303 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: It feels like they're all going to get called into 304 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: the principal's office and yelled at at the end of 305 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: this season, you know, probably for the fifte time um 306 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: during this season, and their ass is going to be 307 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: on the line one last time. They'll have one last 308 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: chance to get this together. I just feel like they 309 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: wrote on their laurels based off of seven and oh 310 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: and oh, if you know Kyler didn't get hurt, and 311 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: if if this didn't happen, if that day everybody's back healthy, 312 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: now everything's gonna be great. We're gonna roll, guys. But 313 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: they didn't count on the fact that the NFL will 314 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: watch what you do and learned from it, Like the 315 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: entire NFL just decided to not let giant plays happen 316 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: anymore from quarterbacks like Kyler Murray. So so he's having 317 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: to throw everything underneath he you know, even when he 318 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: gets away and and breaks off, he can't get he 319 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: can't get very far. Um. It's a dingen d offense. 320 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: They It's it's crazy to imagine them resting on laurels 321 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: when they were a disaster down the stretch last year. 322 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: You know, that embarrassing playoff loss which you were at right, 323 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: Dan brought you as his guest. Do you think he 324 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: wore the scarf and this hat? Do you think that 325 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: was cruel of him? Um? As my children, we're jumping 326 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: in elation at Kyler just throwing a ball up with 327 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: his eyes closed to a Rams defender to make it 328 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: twenty one nothing in the first half. Do you think 329 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: it was cruel for him to bring you to that scenario? 330 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: I think that Dan has a dark side, and I 331 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: think we all know that. UM. I think that if 332 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: you look deep down in his soul, he wants nothing 333 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: but to crush the people closest to him uh and 334 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: then be the man who brings them back up. He 335 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: wants to be your your destroyer and your hero all 336 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: at once. That said, I think Dan was just doing 337 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: a buddy of solid and it's I think it's more 338 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: of that. But that was not discount how evil that 339 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: was a dark interpretation. But I enjoyed it. This this 340 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals team, it's crazy that it's just crazy that they 341 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: signed everyone long term after that and that they didn't 342 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: just and people were like, oh, it was going to 343 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: be a contract here. First of all, there's no rule 344 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: against uh a middling GM going down to contract here. 345 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: No one's coming after Steam come. It's fine if he's 346 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: on the hot seat. It saves you money. Second of all, 347 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: the fact that they made it for five years when 348 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: they could have made it for one year or three 349 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: years was wild. I want I want Steve Kim's agent. 350 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if he acts as his own agent. 351 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he does a lot of those executives too. It 352 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: was crazy and everyone first guest and the crazy part 353 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: of it is this Kyler Murray offense and now that 354 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: he's out again with the hamstring injury, I think it's 355 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: a reminder that they're just kind of reliving the Cliff 356 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: Kingsbury era and all of their seasons over in miniature 357 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: this season. And here's how it goes. Well, we're gonna 358 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: try to not have Kyler just rely on his legs, 359 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: and then we're just gonna have Cliffs Cliffs station to 360 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: station offense that goes five six yards per play that 361 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: we think Colt McCoy can run just as well, but 362 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: it's boring and it that actually doesn't really work. Uh, 363 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: then we're gonna need at some point because we realized 364 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: we needed Kyler to just start running and create and 365 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: then that'll start working for a while, and then he'll 366 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: hurt his hamstring and then we'll kind of be back 367 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: in the same place. You nailed it. I mean, that's 368 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: when when they made those signings. When they made those signings, 369 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: the first thing that popped into my head was five wins, 370 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: eight wins, ten wins, And that's the only thing you're 371 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: gonna look at. You're just looking at the number of 372 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: wins going up each season, and therefore we're trending in 373 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: the right direction. Like when they put up the stat 374 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: tonight with Kingsbury's win percentage the first seven games from 375 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: Texas Tech and the Cardinals, and then after that it 376 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: was so startingly, startingly close and tragic. I was like, 377 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: what do you do, Greg, what do you do? How 378 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: do you get to these people? I've looked at Mike 379 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: Bidwell in the face. I had the pleasure of meeting him. 380 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: He's a smart man. You can tell he's a smart man. 381 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: But I think that the problem is they get too 382 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: close to the people around them. They are a family, 383 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: and they have people come up. Steve Kime, he came 384 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: up within the system. He was you know, he was 385 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: a part of that family for a very long time, 386 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's show friends versus show business, and 387 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: they just don't know how to draw that line. But 388 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: you can see it on Hard Knocks. What I've enjoyed 389 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: this season of Hard Knocks so far, I think it 390 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: might lose some steam in a couple of weeks. I 391 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: think this episode will be interesting to me, and then 392 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: I might start to lose interest because I find the 393 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: tension and the way you learn about a little bit 394 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: what Kyler is like behind the scenes interesting. You see 395 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: come up there and he's he's the owner's best friend. Basically, 396 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: they're going through these games together and you and you 397 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: think about, Okay, well now you can see how he's 398 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: lasted so long. But you mentioned the Isaiah Simmons pick 399 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: in the Zaven Collins pick, and they've had a lot 400 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: of injuries this year on the offensive line. They should 401 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: be given some credit. It it's just like it doesn't 402 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: match up. I'm not sure exactly what types of players 403 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: they're looking for on defense. I'm not sure. Okay, what 404 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: is it. It's called the Tragedy of Daryl Washington. I 405 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: think that that was his name, right, He was a 406 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: pro bowler and then not yes, um uh, he was 407 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: an amazing player. He was all over the place. He 408 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: was our Mike, he was a stud, he had an 409 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: amazing twitch. West loved him some. Daryl Washington he was 410 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: he was my favorite player. And then he had his 411 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: problems with drugs and spousal abuse and he was out 412 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: and it was gone. And I think that Daryl was 413 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: a part of that family. And I think ever since 414 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: he's left, they have been looking for players like him, 415 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: players that didn't really seem to be a mold part 416 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: of a mold. First, they went for Hassan Reddick, right, 417 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: a guy who didn't look like he should be an 418 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: edge rusher, but he had all of these other skills, 419 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: so they wanted to put him all over different places. 420 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: Then they went after there was someone in between him 421 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: and Isaiah Zaven Collins who they just wanted to give 422 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: the mic position to immediately, overlooking all veterans on the team. 423 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I think that something about Darryl washington Um being taken 424 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: away from them. They've been searching for that kind of 425 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: magic ever since. And I think maybe they thought they 426 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: had it with Honey Badger for a while. Dion big Cannon, 427 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: I think, is the guy that you're you're thinking of 428 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: and you could throw Kim DJ not one of those 429 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: type of players, but was kind of is actually one 430 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: of those players because he was he was different, he 431 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: was different, he's he thought differently. Right in Buddha Baker 432 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: would be a good example of one that actually hit 433 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: that also fits this profile. And is there you know, 434 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: best player on defense? I would say, now, but you're right, 435 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: these first round picks under come. Did he take Jonathan 436 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: Cooper or did he start with Dion Buchanan? Did he did? Wait? 437 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Either way DJ D Buchanan, And he was another one. 438 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: He's another one that was exactly like that. That's what 439 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. DJ Humphries, who's worked out good good pick, 440 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: not amazing, but good pick. Kim d J Hassan Reddick 441 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: who they didn't know how to use and his look 442 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: better away from Arizona, Josh Roseen Kyler, Murray Isaiah Simmons, 443 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, and Cliff Kingsbury. I mean that's Steve Kimes 444 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: pick two. And I just don't see Cliff as a 445 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: guy who's ever gonna kind of get out of his 446 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: own way in terms of being able to be flexible 447 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: to match up to specific opponents and come up with 448 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: different plank gamelins. He he does what he does, he 449 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: fits players into different slots. That's why they look much 450 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: better with DeAndre Hopkins. Everyone would, but it's like they 451 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: need that. It was almost like watching Greg dortche tonight 452 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: go for nine and for one oh three. It's like, 453 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: he's clearly one of your three best receivers on offense. 454 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: Why can't you figure out how to have him on 455 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: the field while ron Dale Moore is on the field, 456 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: You're the only coach in the league would be like, what, 457 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: you can only have one of those types of great 458 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: slot players. He could be, but it's because he has 459 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: this sort of static offense which operates the same wage time, 460 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, if ron Dale's in, that takes 461 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: up the doorge roll, Whereas any other coach would be like, 462 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: I have no receivers. I need to get both of 463 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: these guys on the field and figure out how to 464 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: use them together and change what I do. And he 465 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: doesn't change. And that's why I think there's actually a 466 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: chance Cliff won't be back next year because Kyler is 467 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: not going anywhere with that contract obviously, and maybe they 468 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: give Cliff another year depending on how the rest of 469 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: this year goes. But I think they're gonna want to 470 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: see Kyler in a different offense at some point, that's all. Yeah. 471 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: It is scary though, when when you when it comes 472 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: to losing Cliff, because Cliff does Cliff does see Kyler 473 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: as being kind of the proto type version of the 474 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: quarterback that he wants, and in some ways, I think 475 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: the worst thing that could have happened for Cliff as 476 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Cardinals and the play caller 477 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: is Kyler getting hurt and Colt McCoy stepping up and 478 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: playing as well as he did last week because he 479 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: played to a t Kingsbury's he played fine, like he 480 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: gets yeah, he gets rid of the ball quickly. He 481 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: did a good job of that tonight in the first half, 482 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: making some plays on third and seven going to the 483 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: hot receivers when Kyler, who knows if he would have 484 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: done it. He's had great games against great forty nine 485 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: defense in the past, so I'm not gonna say Kyler 486 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: couldn't have done that. He would do it with his legs, 487 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: but I think you see the limitations of that. It's 488 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: five to six yards per attempt, whether it's cliff, whether 489 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: it's Kyler or Colt McCoy. And you saw tonight, Uh, 490 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: the well kind of ran dry there in the second half. 491 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: They didn't have any points. This is depressing. I gotta 492 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: stop having Uh you know, you know fans are reporters 493 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: covering the losing teams after they lose. I mean, you're 494 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: a happy guy. You've done a great job on this 495 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: show as a voice of God. Literally, Jason Zemma, what 496 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: what fine acting that was? By the way, thank you, 497 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. It was it was more like 498 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: it kind of was channeled through me, and it really was. 499 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: I wasn't really there, right, It wasn't. It wasn't acting. 500 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, We're gonna um talk about 501 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: in honor of the yacht bros who played tonight, and 502 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: that really is a nickname Dan and Mark that I'm 503 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: made it up. No, Deebo, Samuel made it up himself 504 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: back in him and Brandon and you were going to 505 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: be the yacht bros. I did not make that up. 506 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about six of my favorite yacht 507 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: bros in the history of the league, really the history 508 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: since I started covering sport last twenty years, but before 509 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: that I did want to ask, like I used to 510 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: live with Hansas, You're on his podcast now, but he's 511 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: not here. Just do you have any fun stories or 512 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: or anything you want to just share about Dan and 513 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: maybe don't bury him as as hard as you did before. 514 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: Well you sent me up to make it entertaining? Was that? 515 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: What was that? Justin? Justin's here, by the way, is 516 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: it Justin? What was that Justin? Who always feels good 517 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: to hurt your friends? Oh? Thanks Justin? That that was 518 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: a perfectly time drop us and only had to be 519 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: hit five times before worked. I think you can edit 520 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: it out, all right, Yeah, give me, give me something 521 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: hand disrelated, then we'll get you out of here. You 522 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: gotta go to bed, all right. So this is actually 523 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: something that I just recently told Dan, and this is uh, 524 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: this is a is actually total compliment. What I think 525 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: is fantastic about what Dan does on your show is 526 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: who Danny is entirely. From the very first time I 527 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: listened to the Debate Club with just him and Mark, 528 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, this is something. I don't 529 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: know what it's going to be yet, but this is 530 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: something because Dan is doing the exact same thing he 531 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: did when I lived with him. He's just holding court, 532 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: he's handing off the conversation, he's guiding the conversation. He's 533 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: just being kind of the Frank Sinatra in the room, 534 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: and he's just kind of running things. Like if people 535 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: want to know what Dan is like, just listen to 536 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: the podcast. Great, it's who he is. This show is 537 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: who Dan is. And I think, to your credit, it's 538 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: become who you are as well. I think that you 539 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: have blossomed into this amazing broadcast. You're I'm listening. Here 540 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: are your flowers, man, let me give them to you. 541 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: You guys are getting rid of you. We're getting rid 542 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: of flowers. It's been it was suspended for two weeks. 543 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: New flowers. I love you guys, and you've just you've 544 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: just really you're just killing it. Thank you, Jason, and 545 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: it's been great to have you on this. Hopefully not 546 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: too depressing. I'm gonna bring up a good memory of you, 547 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: of yours quickly because I thought this game we got 548 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: all the yards after catch guys on the fort, and 549 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: I thought Cardinals, and I thought and Kwan Bolden and 550 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: I thought and Quan Bolden is I think my single 551 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: favorite receiver of all time that that wasn't on my team. 552 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: That was my single favorite player when I started to 553 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: cover the league, which was in two thousand and three. 554 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: That came in after that point, and it wasn't too 555 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: soon after he jumped in with that like two hundred 556 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: yard game as like a relatively unknown rookie right off 557 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: the top and was like the fantasy pickup of the 558 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: the century as a rookie, and the way that he 559 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: played football, certainly the way he carried himself. And when 560 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: I got to cover that Super Bowl, and I absolutely 561 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: fell in love with that Cardinals team and Darnell Dockett 562 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: and everyone else on that amazing team, and was I 563 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: was never more heartbroken about a Super Bowl uh result 564 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: in person other than Patriots losing as I was for 565 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: that Cardinals team. But it was partly because of an 566 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: Kuan Bolden. The way that he played football week after 567 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: week was just an absolute joy to watch. He's an 568 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: all time Cardinal. He was your guy, and he's my 569 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: number one yacht bro of all time. I'm gonna give 570 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: it five more quickly after this, but I'll let you 571 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: honk about Bolden for I do that. There's really no 572 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: one that I've ever seen kind of play the game 573 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: like him. I think the closest thing I've ever seen 574 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: wash was Andre Johnson. Uh the h Was he a Texan? Yeah? 575 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: I thought about him for this list. A little different style, 576 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: but I know what you mean. The difference between him 577 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: and a Quan was just there was just a little 578 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: something something with an Quan. He got that ball and 579 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: he had the physicality like Andre did. He could bull 580 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: you over, but an Quan would do it with jews. 581 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: He would just send you fly. And when he got 582 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: step on he hit that and he hit those yaks, 583 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god. He was a monster and he just 584 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: he ran guys over. He was always the guy people 585 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: brought up that forty times don't matter. He ran a 586 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: four seven one forty and you would have never known that. 587 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: On the field. He was just an absolute beast. If 588 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: you if you didn't watch an Kuan Bolden back in 589 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: the day, get some highlights, won't Tech broke his jaw 590 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: in a game played the next week with it wired 591 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: shut and and as great as Larry Fitzgerald is, and 592 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: he would have had the touchdown, uh game winning touchdown 593 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl for all time if the defense 594 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: had finished that off. It was a Quan and I'm 595 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: sorry to bring that up, but what a team that 596 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: was one of my favorite and Quan Bolden was the 597 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: guy that was the heart of that team and and 598 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: had an all time playoff run as well. The two 599 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: of them together, uh, we're just amazing. Five more quickly 600 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: is my colleague, but also Chris Wesseling's probably favorite receiver 601 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: of all times. Steve Smith. I don't know if he 602 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: knows him his colleagues, but Steve Smith absolutely makes this list. 603 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Kind of fits with Bolden as just an angry runner. 604 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall gets forgotten a little bit in this discussion, 605 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: but just an absolute beast, especially early in his career 606 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: before all those surgeries. Just an unbelievable player to watch 607 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: young Julian Edelman, not the one who was picking up 608 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: catches and winning the Super Bowl MVP, which was a 609 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: little later in his career. If you go back and 610 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: watch him early in his Patriot's career as a punt 611 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: returner and making plays after the catch, he was an 612 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: incredible player. I got into so many arguments with West 613 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: early in his career saying peak Edelman is already better 614 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: than peak Welker and Uh. I still I still believe 615 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: his first five or six years he was just incredible. 616 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: Tory Holt is another name I'm gonna throw out here, 617 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: just so smooth, a different type of yak bro. But 618 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: my god, did he have a feel of where defenders 619 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: were coming from and how to run routes. It drives 620 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: me crazy. That is Isaac Bruce in the Hall of Fame. 621 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know, but he gets further. He gets 622 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: further in the Hall of Fame debate every year than 623 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: Tory Holt, which is just mind boggling to anyone watching 624 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: those teams. Tory Holt, uh deserves to be on this list. 625 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: And then I wanted to throw in one current player, 626 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. I know he's coming off the injury and 627 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: he's not the same guy right now, but the way 628 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: that he plays football, I think uh is very reminiscent 629 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: of a young and Kwan Bold and I'm always looking 630 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: for those types of player and him coming into the 631 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: league and I think he'll get it back. He's just 632 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: overcoming an injury. Chris Godwin deserves to be on this 633 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: list too. And just as Justin wants to talk, I 634 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: just want to let you know Isaac Bruce was inducted 635 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: into the profits. Did I not know that I even 636 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: watched these things? That was during the pandemic. We're not 637 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: supposed to have to remember. Yeah, we were all baking 638 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: bread and staring at the wall waiting for this to end. Yeah, 639 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: hopefully our listeners aren't just waiting for this. Damn. This 640 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: was a treat Jason. Thank you for working over time. 641 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: I know it's late. You got to get to bed. 642 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm probably driving your in laws crazy. And uh, I 643 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: got a concert to get to. I got tickets to 644 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: the Flaming Lips in I bought the tickets in. The 645 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: concert was supposed to be in March of at the 646 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic. It has been delayed six or 647 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: seven times since then. It is tonight. It has already started. 648 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna catch like the last hour. I would 649 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: say of it if I get out of a studio 650 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: quickly enough. This is like, hey, uh we uh we 651 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: we won over COVID. Oh no, wait, we haven't at all. 652 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: But I am going to enjoy this concert. I'm gonna 653 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Man? Go see the Flaming Okay, 654 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go for Jason's on, well, it's uh, 655 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. And Justin Graver Dan Hansas, what 656 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: a guy? What house Mark? Why don't we just thank everyone? Seriously, Jason, 657 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: this was a treat to have you on. Thanks for 658 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: having a fan on the call.