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Speaker 1: is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Mets Up podcast. Baseball is back, as you heard,

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Speaker 1: so excited to talk about it. We're seeing videos of

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Speaker 1: or guys that are the most important to their success.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just gonna be a lot of yeah happened

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Speaker 2: Always good? Have been sick for a week? Birthday was

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the picture of Luke Void in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Taylor played the most center field in

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Speaker 3: That would be insane. I'd be shocked.

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Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if he had more than four to fifty.

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Speaker 2: But in which case there'll be other There'll be other

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Speaker 2: Every day everyone, it just seems like it's still good

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Speaker 3: Whether it's been.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, thank you guys. James tweets have also been fire.

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Speaker 3: Who would you rather do?

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Speaker 2: Like it'd be stupid not to get the clicks if

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Speaker 2: fascinating that the conversation is like Pete, so though extension,

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Speaker 2: And it's funny. It's just funny because nothing's gonna happen

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Speaker 2: everyone's strapping, strapping and enjoy it. And like the picture

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of harsh in my vibe, bro, Like can

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Speaker 1: we just figure this out? Man?

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Speaker 3: Well, now you're doing, like Pete surfers, not surfer beats.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I think Pete, what were spoke to be?

437
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Speaker 1: I think Pete's got a little bro in him, like

438
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Speaker 1: a dude.

439
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Speaker 2: But again, otherwise, like the vibe seems very high in

440
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Speaker 2: met spring training. Everyone seems like they're having a good time.

441
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 2: Christian Scott and Mike Fassl are throwing really excited about

442
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Speaker 2: them Cross Mendez is doing some media availability. I think

443
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Speaker 2: he's starting to get in the good graces with the

444
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Speaker 2: like him a lot like him a lot always did

445
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Speaker 2: always have. The guy seems great seems like exactly what

446
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Speaker 2: you want as a baseball manager, someone who could walk

447
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Speaker 2: down the streets in Manhattan and nobody will know it's him.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, it's the best thing that could

449
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Speaker 1: ever happen, is if he's unrecognizable, going from the most

450
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Speaker 1: recognizable manager we've maybe ever had in our lifetime to

451
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Speaker 1: someone who, like you said, just looks like a person,

452
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Speaker 1: just looks like a dude.

453
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Speaker 2: Second most recognizable manager we ever had in our life,

454
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Speaker 2: but the most recognizable was only the manager.

455
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Speaker 3: For two weeks. Oh okay, yeah, that's fair, that's fair.

456
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Speaker 1: Bus Shoultz is not more recognizable to Carlos Beltron. No,

457
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Speaker 1: he is not more recognizable, that is for sure. But

458
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Speaker 1: in terms of guys who managed games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally, it's fine. Like it so it doesn't

460
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Speaker 2: matter at all, Like it matters a lot like in game.

461
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Speaker 2: But like my uncle still pissed off about it that

462
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Speaker 2: he's never managed a major league game before the team's

463
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Speaker 2: not ready for it. I just I'm excited to just

464
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Speaker 2: get we're getting back to baseball, ready to get back

465
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Speaker 2: to baseball and getting back to baseball, and now we're

466
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Speaker 2: gonna start talking about baseball because we even us doing

467
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Speaker 2: twenty minutes of spring training.

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Speaker 3: I'm almost I'm mad about.

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Speaker 2: That because there was nothing to talk about that was

470
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Speaker 2: that was that was stupid is a lot Harrison Bay,

471
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Speaker 2: the talking g Manjoy whatever. But we want to talk

472
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Speaker 2: about who was the most important player in the mess

473
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Speaker 2: this year because it's a conversation that was strung up,

474
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Speaker 2: Like we said earlier by Anthony Dicomo was saying that

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Speaker 2: it was totally Marte, which I think Mark and I

476
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Speaker 2: and a lot of other people in the world don't

477
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Speaker 2: necessarily agree with because I think Martey has a range

478
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Speaker 2: of outcomes that are like kind of like here, like

479
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Speaker 2: it's either he's healthy or he's not. And if he's healthy,

480
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Speaker 2: he's gonna hit singles and doubles and steal bases and

481
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Speaker 2: like be fun to have around. But if he's not healthy,

482
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Speaker 2: just not gonna play like last year and then this team.

483
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Speaker 1: I'm laughing because like even just like the sentence of

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Speaker 1: like him being the most important player, Like, I'm a

485
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Speaker 1: huge starling Marte fan. I loved him when they signed him.

486
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Speaker 1: I've wanted him forever. That was probably against my judgment

487
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Speaker 1: to love him as much as I did. He was

488
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Speaker 1: like five years older than when I first really started

489
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Speaker 1: liking Starling Martes. So there was there were some bad

490
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Speaker 1: signs on my on my part with a bad take,

491
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Speaker 1: and I can take that. But it's just like funny

492
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Speaker 1: to say, because like there are things out there that

493
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Speaker 1: like these writers or like people can use to their advantage,

494
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Speaker 1: like these projections that are just available freely on on fangrafts,

495
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 1: and like she's projected for like a one hundred WRC plus.

496
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Speaker 1: Like in what world is a league average player the

497
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Speaker 1: most important guy on the team. Like sure, if Starling

498
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Speaker 1: Marte some way, somehow goes back to being a one

499
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Speaker 1: thirty four WRC plus guy, like he wasn't twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, he's the most important player. The Mets are

501
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Speaker 1: doing crazy shit if this guy is an elite hitter

502
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, but realistically, at what thirty five

503
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Speaker 1: years of age after major groin surgery, to say he's

504
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Speaker 1: the make or break for this team is nuts, Like

505
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Speaker 1: the team will be better if he's better. No shit,

506
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Speaker 1: Like that's that's an idiot take. Wow, if the players

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Speaker 1: played better, the team will be good. But like if

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Speaker 1: he is league average, the Mets don't the Needle wasn't

509
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Speaker 1: like that wasn't the difference between them making the playoffs

510
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Speaker 1: or being a World Series winner.

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Speaker 2: No, And you the worst probably by storing Marte is that,

512
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Speaker 2: you know, the last time he played one hundred and

513
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Speaker 2: forty games, that's.

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Speaker 1: Probably when I really liked him. Let's go twenty eighteen.

515
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Speaker 1: It was exactly twenty eighteen, he was twenty nine years old.

516
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Speaker 1: He was the last time he played one hundred fifty games.

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Speaker 1: It's probably never.

518
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Speaker 2: It was when he was twenty fifteen, twenty six the

519
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Speaker 2: only time he ever played one hundred and fifty There

520
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: were close, yeah, almost a full decade ago. But again,

521
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Speaker 2: that's not a skill set. And there is a world

522
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Speaker 2: where starring Marte is probably like five percent better than

523
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Speaker 2: league average, and he's an engine like the middle of

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Speaker 2: the Mets or there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think with his new regime, starring marts has

527
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Speaker 2: ever hitting two again. I think that's ok of God,

528
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Speaker 2: I want that mister no extra base hits. But I

529
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Speaker 2: also think that there's a world where he's like a

530
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Speaker 2: two seventy hitter who steals thirty five forty bags and games,

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Speaker 2: which is great. Probably DHS for twenty of them play

532
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Speaker 2: some right field throws a couple guys out, Like that's

533
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

534
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Speaker 1: But what I think there's a lot of value to

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Speaker 1: to and maybe this is a crazy take, but towards

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the order, like having a guy like

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Speaker 1: Marte who is just gonna hit, who is just going

538
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Speaker 1: to move the order at times, because as we've seen,

539
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Speaker 1: like the bottom of the order for the Mets has

540
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Speaker 1: been a bit of a slog in years past, where

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Speaker 1: it's like, God, nobody gets on base, nobody hits. He's

542
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Speaker 1: not on base guy, but he will hit for average

543
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Speaker 1: if he is, you know, healthy, he's going to hit

544
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Speaker 1: two seventy, like you said. And the fact that he

545
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Speaker 1: can turn that single into a double. At the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the order, I like being a little bit aggressive

547
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Speaker 1: down there where maybe you have some weaker hitters who

548
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Speaker 1: a single now scores a run rather than you know,

549
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Speaker 1: a single moves them to second or moves them to third.

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Speaker 1: He gives you a little more athleticism to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the order, which that bottom of the order desperately lacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's talking about that has the upset because

553
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Speaker 2: I don't I even even when Buck Show Walzer in

554
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Speaker 2: his nineteen ninety nine baseball brain was hitting him second

555
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Speaker 2: ahead of Francisco and dorm p Lonzo, Like, I didn't

556
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Speaker 2: really love him stealing bases there. I don't want to

557
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Speaker 2: take strikes away from the best hitters on my team.

558
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Speaker 2: This was a weird thing with Acuna last year and

559
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: Alson where Alson was weirdly hit better when Akunia wasn't

560
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Speaker 2: on bass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I saw this net the other day and I was

563
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Speaker 2: like wow, and I loved all the bat because he

564
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Speaker 2: just didn't have to worry about like taking that first

565
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Speaker 2: strike because you knew Acunya was going and it was

566
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Speaker 2: easy because like Olson's going to hit a single double

567
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Speaker 2: home run, He's going to drive the runner and he

568
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Speaker 2: had one hundred and twenty five whatever it was RBIs.

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Speaker 2: But there's something about that mental aspect of like I

570
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Speaker 2: can have my at bat.

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Speaker 3: In this my at bat.

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Speaker 2: Foolish Baseball the other day put out one of the

573
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Speaker 2: best piece of baseball contact I think ever so sick,

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Speaker 2: which was all about just the way that different counts

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Speaker 2: affect bat hitting results. It's like from like an analytic standpoint,

576
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Speaker 2: from like an entertainment standpoint, from a graphic standpoint, like

577
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Speaker 2: it was fantastic. I can't believe he only put that together.

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Speaker 2: And usually his videos like take like a while, like

579
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Speaker 2: a month, like three weeks in between them, but.

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Speaker 1: He worked a long time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying like in the fact that he's he's

582
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Speaker 2: making videos that can be like that can be acknowledged

583
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Speaker 2: from like a guy named Tom Hangle who's like the

584
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Speaker 2: father of like modern saber metrics, but also like every

585
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Speaker 2: single twelve year old's in there on their phone and

586
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Speaker 2: in the middle school cafeteria. It's like, in fact, that

587
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: kind of range is amazing. But the big crux of

588
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Speaker 2: that is that like if you're a one or you're

589
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Speaker 2: one zero, you the difference in your results go between

590
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Speaker 2: Julio Rodriguez and pauld the young. So it's a lot

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Speaker 2: to wait if you even if you get the guy

592
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Speaker 2: in second base, but now you're down oh one, it's

593
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: much harder for you to get on base and you

594
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Speaker 2: do the damage. So a guy like Marte, who his

595
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Speaker 2: glory right now is hitting a single and stealing second base,

596
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Speaker 2: possibly if his likes work, that is much more valuable

597
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Speaker 2: I think in the five and six spot than the

598
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Speaker 2: two spot by a lot. And I think this front

599
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Speaker 2: office now is going to realize that. I think that

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Speaker 2: on opening that you probably see him at the bottom

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Speaker 2: half of the other around the top half, I hope

602
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Speaker 2: at least. But that being said, he's still not the

603
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Speaker 2: most important player in this team. No, and I think

604
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Speaker 2: he's very far from it. And I think Mark and

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Speaker 2: I now have a list of guys who we think

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Speaker 2: can and should be considered the most important player in

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Speaker 2: this team, especially for a team that, by all intents

608
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Speaker 2: and purposes, is about the five hundred ball club. We

609
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Speaker 2: can go five games up, we can go five games down.

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Speaker 2: Things break right, things break wrong. This is a French

611
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: playoff team right now, as much as some fans think

612
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Speaker 2: we're a seventy win baseball team, and there's a real

613
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Speaker 2: world where a good results from a few players push

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Speaker 2: this season and becoming one that a lot of people

615
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Speaker 2: are not very excited about, the one that can become

616
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Speaker 2: very very exciting in July, August, September, October.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think maybe even not saying most important

618
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Speaker 1: players because like the most important players on the team

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Speaker 1: are clearly Lindor Nimo Alonzo, Like we're not going to

620
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Speaker 1: talk about them, you know how good they are lock

621
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Speaker 1: them in for what they've got, their their studs, they're

622
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Speaker 1: doing their thing. This is like even more like the

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Speaker 1: X factors or like guys that we need to play

624
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Speaker 1: well in order to be a good team this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: And the first one is Code I Sangay. Code I

626
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Speaker 1: Sanga has to be last year's Code I Sanga, or

627
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Speaker 1: at least close to. It might be tough to repeat

628
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Speaker 1: because he was just so phenomenal last year in his

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Speaker 1: rookie season, but he has to be an ace. The

630
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Speaker 1: Mets don't have one right now. He is their ace

631
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Speaker 1: theoretically in that rotation. He has to be one of

632
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Speaker 1: the best pitchers in baseball again this upcoming season for

633
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Speaker 1: the Mets to really be successful.

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Speaker 3: I'll see this, think that was I think I was

635
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Speaker 3: react Sary Mark. I think that was.

636
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Speaker 2: I think that was YouTube Mark right there, who's saying

637
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Speaker 2: he has to be one of the best pitches in

638
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Speaker 2: baseball for the Mess to be successful. I don't think

639
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: that's technically true at all. I think he has to

640
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: be fine for the Mess to be really good. I

641
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Speaker 2: think he just has to be like quite good. I

642
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Speaker 2: think he has to be one of like in terms

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Speaker 2: of ace, like one of the thirty best studying pitchers

644
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Speaker 2: in baseball instead of last year where he was one

645
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Speaker 2: of like the six best pitchers in baseball. That's fair,

646
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Speaker 2: and yeah, I think there's like a difference there between

647
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Speaker 2: like like having like last year saying I had like

648
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Speaker 2: the fifth lowest ERA, but again like he was like

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Speaker 2: thirtieth in terms of.

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Speaker 3: Like FIP and Sierra, And I think a big reason.

651
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Speaker 2: For that is that he like some of it was

652
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: really good, but some of it I think, like obviously

653
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: there could be some regression coming where it goes fork.

654
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: It was the best pitch of baseball last year. No

655
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 3: one could hit it.

656
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in a crazy video

657
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: day every single goes fork with and it was it

658
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: was fascinating.

659
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: Happy it did really well on Twitter.

660
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: But it's just like watching it over and over again,

661
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: I was like, this pitch is fucking insane, Like people

662
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: were swinging at that pitch when it was bouncing on

663
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: two feet front of play sometimes.

664
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Like legitimately, how are you going to hit it? I

665
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: don't know, I have no idea.

666
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: The first the first goes fork with the saying got

667
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: the whole year, Hey, Susanchez threw his bat like into

668
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: the second row of the fan because he just let

669
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: Govic He's like, what the hell was that? So it's

670
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: like you can see his pitch on video, and I'm

671
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: sure all these guys did before Code that came to

672
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: the league last year, and I'm sure they were watching

673
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: it a lot as the season went on.

674
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: But it's still so good you just can't really hit.

675
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: So that's part of it. But another part of the

676
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: concern and regression.

677
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: With Code that is the fact that he was so

678
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: good last year, even despite the fact that he threw

679
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: so many balls, allowed so many walks, and was behind

680
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: in the count so often. That was also in the

681
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: Foolish Baseball video as well. I was gonna say that, Yeah,

682
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: there was another he was Code that was featured in

683
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: this Foolish Baseball video because sang Go was by far

684
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: the best pitcher in baseball last year and he was

685
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: behind in the count. Part of that was because he

686
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: always had the ghost fork as the hammer like, which

687
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: was a pitch that he never really threw in the

688
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: strike zone, but he always guys were still swinging at it.

689
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: But he developed a color. As we told you, guys,

690
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: who was the season last year that kind of changed

691
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: him from being someone who in April and May was

692
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: like in the middle of trying to find his footing

693
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: to where June, July and August where he was basically

694
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: the best pitch in the league. Say it again as

695
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: nauseum last year, but he didn't allow more than three

696
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: earned runs after June seventeenth of last season. His ERA

697
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: was two point four. From that moment on. It was disgusting.

698
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: One of the best pitchers in the league all about

699
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: that color, but that color coming on mid season, being

700
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: his like soft contact inducer, especially when he was behind

701
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: in the count, kind of is like his little parachutes

702
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: get him out of trouble.

703
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: Pitch hither saw it. More.

704
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: More people are gonna have that video this year. More

705
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 2: people are going to know that when they're behind, when

706
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: they're ahead in the count against kodae Asanka, that color

707
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: is coming. So maybe they don't try to do too

708
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: much damage. Maybe instead of trying to take a big

709
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: while up a swing, just try and serve that pitch

710
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: into right field, Like maybe that's part of the equation

711
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: next year with koday Sanka. It's also kind of scary

712
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: that he had the third highest walk rate last year

713
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: among all qualified pitchers, that is scary than me. But

714
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: Blake Snell the highest walk rate and he won the

715
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: syng so maybe it's not scary as it should be.

716
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

717
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: But Blake Snell's two super out pitches, Kuai Sanga only

718
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: has one.

719
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

720
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of runners on base behind

721
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 2: the count of the lot for his era being as

722
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: low as it was, especially when he's out running all

723
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 2: of his estimators. But like, even if he's a three five,

724
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: three six guy and strikes out like twenty eight percent

725
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: of heeathers, like you think he's probably projected to right now,

726
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: like that to me is still one of like the

727
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: twenty or thirty best dolliing pitchers in baseball. And as

728
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: long as the H word doesn't happen, the iword doesn't happen,

729
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: and everything on the right side of his body is good.

730
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: Like that's again the most important thing to me, rather

731
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: than like matching last year.

732
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Now, surely that also piggybacks off of a guy who

733
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: is also crazy important to this team, like Severino, like

734
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: bouncing back because like if Sega's gonna have that regression,

735
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: which he's going to he is going to regress, like

736
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: that's just he has to if he doesn't, Like, all

737
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're like, well, holy shit, like how

738
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: did we get this fucking guy? Where did we find him?

739
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: But likes he should regress at least he you say, uh,

740
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: where Severino. It's like that's where he can step up

741
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: and make it feel less bad. Is if Severino can

742
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: step into this rotation and I'm not gonna say, go

743
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: back to being an ace. That's a lot of pressure

744
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: to put on a guy who's been pretty stinky the

745
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: last couple of years. But he does have the ability

746
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: to at least go back to being a very good pitcher,

747
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Like we know that Fastball's got life. That change up

748
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: looks like it's pretty good from what we've seen from

749
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the videos so far, and he has that wipeout slider,

750
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: Like there's there's a world where Severno can be that

751
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of missing piece in that rotation to make it

752
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: feel a lot longer than it currently looks.

753
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: Totally, and we're not even that far removed from Severno

754
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 2: being really good. I think that's something that a lot

755
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: of people forget they talk about Louis Saverno twenty twenty two,

756
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: he threw one hundred innings, so he got hurt, obviously,

757
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 2: but he had three one eight ERA, he struck out

758
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of hitters. Like that's not very far

759
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: away from being like, Okay, this is a guy, like

760
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: this is legitimately a guy here and he's still as

761
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: he was doing that wasn't good against lefties, but he

762
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: also still pitching the Yankee Stadium. And the big prover

763
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: Severino last year when he just was one of the

764
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: worst pitchers in the whole league, was that every time

765
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: the ball went in the air went out of the ballpark,

766
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: it was a twenty percent of home run a fly

767
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: ball rate. That was like and when he has twenty

768
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: nineteen levels, so it's like that's something that again will

769
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: regress in the right direction.

770
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: And he still throws nice seven miles an hour.

771
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's some there's a world where Louis

772
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 2: Severino finds that change up, has the weapon against lefties,

773
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: has the regular fast ball slider against righty's, and he's

774
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 2: just he beats his projections by a lot, Like he's

775
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: someone who can beat the projections.

776
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: Where he's saying is a guy.

777
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: I just want him to hit the projections where Severna

778
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: right now is projected to be like a four to

779
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: six ra guy, Like if he's a four six yr guy,

780
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: the Mets are probably not making the playoffs, just probably

781
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: unless unless something cool happens, unless like Tyler McGill clicks

782
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: like I don't know.

783
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: Gets called up and you're like, oh my god, Christian

784
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Scott is him, Like holy shit, we got them?

785
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: Unless I'm right about everything with Christian Scott there. But

786
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: also a funny thing the Mets. I was looking a

787
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: lot about like war clusters of like best guys on

788
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: best teams, and we talked about their position players, Nimo,

789
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 2: Pete and Lindor and last year those three guys had

790
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: the ninth highest cumulative war for any trio in Major

791
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: League Baseball. The only guys that were ahead of them

792
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: have written down right here were the Dodgers and the

793
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: Braves obviously, then there was a huge gap, then the Rangers.

794
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Then there was another huge gap, then the Mariners because

795
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: cal Raley is such a good year, and JP Crawford,

796
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: but then another huge gap, and then the Diamondbacks, the Astros,

797
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: the Cubs, the Orioles, and then we were tied with

798
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: the Padres and the race at thirteen point one f

799
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: WAR for your top three players on your team.

800
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: And I think one thing that's interesting to note too

801
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: is that, I mean, the Dodgers and the Braves have

802
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: first basemen, including those trios I assume because they have

803
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Freddy Freeman Matt Olsen, who are just kind of defied

804
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: the position. Yeah, in terms of value, where one of

805
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: our guys is playing position that relatively speaking, doesn't accumulate

806
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of war Like. It's really hard

807
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: for a first baseman to accumulate five war like a shortstop.

808
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: It's a there's an easier path be good defensively, be

809
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: a pretty good hitter. So to even be in that

810
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: conversation in that top ten with one of those guys

811
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: being a first baseman in that conversationally, that's that's pretty

812
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: big to show you how good all three of these

813
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: guys are. No a lot and Nimo and Lindora both

814
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: top thirty five in the whole league in War. Nimo

815
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I think was the highest player all the whole season

816
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: in War that wasn't either a Shoheo Tani, a Brave,

817
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: or a Dodger.

818
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: Which I think is pretty cool. I think it was

819
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: eighth in the season. And then that's also Pete having

820
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: the worst year of his career by full half a

821
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: win two point eight, Jeff McNeil being worth three full

822
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: less wins than he was the year before two point

823
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: seven versus five point six. And I think that's another

824
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: part we were talking about, like the positional change where

825
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: last year McNeil started playing basically only second base, where

826
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: that I think you accumulate less wars and just playing

827
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: outfield defense on fangrass f War, and then Alvarez being

828
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: right next to them a two point six wars, a

829
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: twenty one year old catcher who for like half the

830
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: year didn't really know what's what the fuck he was doing.

831
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: And I'll talk about alvas a little bit in a second,

832
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: but it's not crazy to say that core is play caliber.

833
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: But then I was talking about this terms of the

834
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: Mets pitching corps, where we're talking about Sev're gonna be

835
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: in the X factors because he has the guy with

836
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: the wighest range of outcomes. I think that's where we're

837
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: kind of basing this conversation over who's the most important

838
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: players to the Mets. Success, rather than who's the most

839
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: important players like on the team, which I think is

840
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: how Coomo described it, but who's the most important player

841
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: to the Mets success?

842
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: How's the team get over the top?

843
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Sevarino is not projected right now in the Mets top

844
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: three in terms of pitching war Those three are Sanga

845
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: Kintana and Sean Manaya, who Sango were talked about already.

846
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: Katana and Iya are not sexy. They're not these high

847
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: range of outcome guys. But I I guess it is

848
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: a little bit because he's never really put all these

849
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: little pieces he has together. But the hair, the hair

850
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: has been great, bring traying one of the best Fagorus

851
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: dress as far is like, yeah, him just coming fro that.

852
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: But in terms of projections, those three pitchers are sixteenth

853
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: in the whole league, exactly middle of the pack in

854
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: terms of top three guys in rotation projected war, which

855
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: is like, okay, as bad as we think the Mets

856
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: rotation is with the X factor still being outside of

857
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: that top three is like there's something that can happen there.

858
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: And Adrian Hawser being a five, who's like in terms

859
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: of baseball a fine five, great as fine of five

860
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: as you can get, like, go out there from one

861
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty innings and give me four point three.

862
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: Right. I don't want to even want to think about

863
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: you every fifth day.

864
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: So I think there is something about where this team met,

865
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: where this Mets team's floor is right now compared to

866
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: last year, where people are saying, like last year old,

867
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: the team was better and we were ten wins. Worset

868
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: Mike Petrill had a great tweet abat it, basically saying like,

869
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: le's just win total is nothing to do next year's

870
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: win total. Really, it's just about like you're in the

871
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: projections you guys have for this year, and the Mets

872
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: have weirdly less rotation question marks now they did last year,

873
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: despite the upsides much lower. I understand that, but the

874
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: question marks and the floor question marks are less and

875
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: the floor is higher.

876
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah totally, because I mean part of the

877
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: floor last year was there was a couple guys that

878
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: just were probably might not pitch for a minute, and

879
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened to start the year. And

880
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: what do you know, the Mets came out crazy slow

881
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: to start the season and it kind of just put

882
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: them in a malaise that carried throughout the rest of

883
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: the season. So yeah, I totally. I'm really surprised they

884
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: were sixteen. That's kind of like encouraging a little bit

885
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: that they were the middle of the pack because that

886
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: if there is a concern withist, as we've said all

887
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: off season, it is the pitching. It is the starting pitching.

888
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Do they have enough? Are they gonna be good enough

889
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: to compete? Because you can score as many runs, but

890
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: if you give up more, it's gonna be really really

891
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: hard to win the game. So uh, yes, Severino Severno

892
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: is that guy for sure that could be a difference

893
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: maker in that rotation. Then even moving on to the bullpen,

894
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: we know Diaz, but now it's about finding like that

895
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: next guy up, and we loved a lot of the

896
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: guys that they've brought in, Deepman Fuji Jorge Lopez being

897
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: the new guys coming in there, and then you have

898
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: Rayley Ottavino coming back as well, Andrew Smith still part

899
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: of the team. Like, that's a pretty solid six six

900
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: other arms to add to the bullpen. In terms of

901
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: bullpens in the league, I think it's not like you're

902
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: never gonna I'm not gonna say it's a top ten

903
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: bullpen in the league. I'm definitely gonna say it's like

904
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: there's something. There's something no, but there's something like at

905
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: least there's I look at this bullpen and it's not

906
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: like the Royals who just acquire like Paul John Schreiber

907
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: for like exciting single a pitcher where I'm like, you, like,

908
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I hope you're your race three eight and I hope

909
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: you strike out, like I hope you strike out twenty

910
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: five percent of hitter as you face. I'm like, there's

911
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: like there's juice here, Like there's there's we have multiple

912
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: guys now through ninety seven miles an hour, three by

913
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: by four technically by Mike cow we have.

914
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: Two guys who throw one hundred.

915
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: We have two exciting lefties, Like there's there's a world

916
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: right now where like the Mets have real guys like

917
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: step up and become like the Batman to d as

918
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: this Robin to just be corny as hell for a

919
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: moment there. Like Rayley's the most solid. I think he

920
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: has the most like stable projection where I'm like, I try,

921
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: I trust what Portrayali is out of. Vino has done

922
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: it before, but I think that he's probably disappointing his

923
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: career more of like a middle guy fire mean than

924
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: like a lanning guy. Yeah, but then I think like

925
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: Fuji has the highest upside, as Trevor May said on

926
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: our podcast that was coded by S and Y shot

927
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: out s and why for saying that it was on

928
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: our podcast on inside, we appreciate that. And then the

929
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: seventh paragraph of the article on Instagram in the graphic,

930
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: we love that. And then Deacman's like somewhere in between

931
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: like Fuji and out of the Vina where it's like

932
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: you've done it before, you're older, like can you do

933
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: it again?

934
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: I think you can't.

935
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: Maybe we want to see you do some stuff. And

936
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: then Jorge Lopez has been literally elite the most recently

937
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: two years ago with so like there's five and I

938
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: didn't even Mentionedrew Smith. I think we still like probably

939
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 2: more than anybody else in the world. But I still

940
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: think I'm not I don't think it's the worst pitcher

941
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: in baseball like some Mets fans doing it. It was

942
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: pretty bad season last year. It was bad season last year.

943
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you wasn't. But I still think

944
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: there's some life in that arm's name. Five believers who

945
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: are like have legitimate upside who and and that's also

946
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: with having the best closer in baseball kind of, it's

947
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: not if not because the year, I'll give you guys

948
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: top three right now, I'll give it.

949
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: I'll say I'll give a top three by with Hayter

950
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: and Duran.

951
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: But there's a realistic rule one of those guys becomes

952
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: like a true number two in this bullpen, whether it

953
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: be Fuji, Deekman, Raley, Jorge Lopez, even possibly everything works

954
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: in the exact right possible way he can, but probably

955
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: the least likely maye more like the other four. But like,

956
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: there's a world where someone becomes a very real eighth

957
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: inning guy, very real sevent man, a very real number

958
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: two option. It's like, okay, now this bullpen has teeth.

959
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: Who's your pick right now? If you had to pick

960
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: right now, it's gotta be Fuji. Oh really, we're all

961
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: in the Fuji train. I'm going Jorge Lopez. I'm going

962
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: Jorge Lopez. What he did at the end of the

963
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: year with the Orioles, and you opened up my eyes

964
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: to it because I didn't really see it. He was

965
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: striking out like the three thirty three percent of the

966
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: guys and walked down three percent.

967
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: Like that the last month.

968
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: That's disgusting.

969
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just but again he only did that with

970
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: the Orioles. He left the Orioles and he came back.

971
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: He did it with the Oriols in between to not

972
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: do it, so we're not I don't think we're the Orioles.

973
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: I would not to be fair though, he was like with.

974
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the Twins are smart organization relatively, but

975
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: like the Marlins are stupid. So yes, which is fine,

976
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: but again we both like went with like the sexy Picks.

977
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: It's definitely probably gonna wind up just being Brooks Raley,

978
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: who's just oh for sure.

979
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: But the fact that we have another left he so

980
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: rarely can be an eighth inning guy because we know

981
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: how good he is getting hits at both sides of

982
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: the plate. Like, there's there's a lot of life in

983
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: this bullpen for some good stuff to happen, which is

984
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: fun and better than we felt the last few years

985
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: about it.

986
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Let's bring it back now to the

987
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: offensive side of things, because again, there definitely are some

988
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: guys that could be a huge impact I'm gonna start

989
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: it with Jeff McNeil because McNeil was, for lack of

990
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: a better term, terrible last year. He was he was

991
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: a shell of himself. We've seen this happen before with him,

992
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: which is a little bit concerning. Like love Jeff, friend

993
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: of the channel, friend of the podcast, but it is

994
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: a little bit concerning, and the way that he plays

995
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: it does lead for this volatility a little bit when

996
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: you are just like a soft contact guy who relies

997
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: on hitting the ball where they're not and that's just

998
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: that's just hard sometimes in baseball. Saw it happened in

999
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we saw it happen in twenty twenty three.

1000
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: We know he has the injury as well with basically

1001
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: like he's got the elbow injury going into the season

1002
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: as well. Actually probably well yeah, so probably not gonna

1003
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: have a ton of power. But man like if McNeil,

1004
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: it's crazy because he has four years of being an

1005
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: elite hitter, elite, but those two sprinkled in there just

1006
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: give you some doubt. They're not in or there.

1007
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 3: That's the problem.

1008
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well three of them and then the last

1009
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: three years two of them have been not great. So

1010
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like if I don't, I'm not even talking about

1011
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: like getting back like the three twenty six like batting

1012
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: champion McNeil. Like just getting McNeil back to like that

1013
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: like two ninety three hundred range, getting on base, getting

1014
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: those doubles down the line like that can be a

1015
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: huge difference maker two in this lineup, just make it

1016
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: so much longer because when he's playing well, he's he

1017
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: is really awesome, Like he's fantastic, there's no out about it.

1018
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean winning the bag Tel twenty twenty two

1019
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: is like the conversation ever really has. But he also

1020
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: had a three ad on base percentage that year, which

1021
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: is like disgustingly good. And that year like there, Jeff

1022
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: McNeil always gets gets flacked because everyone immediately goes to

1023
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: baseball zavon and looks at the sliders and like, Jeff

1024
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: McNeil has never hit the ball hard. You know what,

1025
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: Jeff maan neil never will hit the ball hard. That's

1026
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: just not what Jeff mcnill does. And I think that

1027
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: there were a lot of mitigating factors last year that

1028
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: kind of led to McNeil, for lack of a bedroom

1029
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: losing it a little bit during the season. I think

1030
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: that no shift kind of fucked with his head. And

1031
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: definitely Mark show Walter said that on this podcast and

1032
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: we had to cut it out. I don't think it

1033
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: made it out to the public, but he said it

1034
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: on this podcast. He was like a litt worried about

1035
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: Jeff without the shift, like that was part of his

1036
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: game plan, like finding that shift, hitting it where they ain't.

1037
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: So it's like now when you're so used to that,

1038
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: which is funny because he'd be so used to that

1039
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: because he played baseball's whole life without that, But now

1040
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: you play baseball with that for a few years, and

1041
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: you're like, there's an obvious pocket right there. I have

1042
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: a base hit, he's gonna take my base hit. I'm

1043
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 2: gonna have a three d on base percentage. I'm gonna

1044
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: be worth almost six war and we're gonna go to

1045
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Nothing else gonna matter. But without that there,

1046
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: he had to kind of recalibrate who he was as

1047
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: a hitter. And I think you just thinking a lot,

1048
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: and we know there's from Jeff seeing him on the field,

1049
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: like just it the way he carries himself, like things

1050
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: can have things to snowball for him, they can and

1051
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: like his emotions get the better room. Sometimes on the

1052
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: baseball field, he's another red ass guy where he just

1053
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: kind of gets a little crazy when things aren't going well.

1054
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: And the same thing in twenty twenty one is twenty

1055
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty three. Maybe just not not number guy, maybe just

1056
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: love even numbers, maybe all being an even number guy.

1057
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: But twenty nineteen was amazing, but that was super happy funball.

1058
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: So well, if we throw that one out, he's really

1059
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: just even number guy.

1060
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: He does wear the number one, though, so I don't

1061
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he might be an odd

1062
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: number guy.

1063
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not a number guy. I don't know, but

1064
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: it just thinks snowball.

1065
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: And also I've been a big part of this with

1066
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: Jeff is that like he signed the contract, and Jeff

1067
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: has been scrappy underdog every second he was a major leaguer.

1068
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: So you signed that contractor like I want to be

1069
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: worth it. I love this team, I love this city, I.

1070
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: Love everyone around me.

1071
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for the owners. I want I want to

1072
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: cash in on what I'm worth. And like you start

1073
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: squeezing the bat tight the pressure's on, and you kind

1074
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: of lose a little bit, Like Jeff McNeil's the best

1075
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: player he can be when he's loose and he's putting

1076
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: the ball where it has to be. And like last year,

1077
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: he chased more than he had the year before. And

1078
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: when you're chasing more, you when you more than when

1079
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: you do that is big time that you're pressing yes.

1080
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: And a big thing about Jeff, like this is this

1081
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: guy I never really look at all. It's on Baseball

1082
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: Savon it's called the sweet spot percentage, but I understand

1083
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: like it's not because it's not barreling, because it's when

1084
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: you barrelings when he hit the ball in the air

1085
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: the certain next velocities. Jeff's never going to barrel because

1086
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't doing either of those things very much. But

1087
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: the sweet spot is at least still getting to that

1088
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: barrel of the bat no matter how hard the balls hit,

1089
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: but still going to be hit pretty hard, and the

1090
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: launch angle of it. And Jeff in twenty twenty two

1091
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: when he was amazing, he was one of the best

1092
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: in the league at that was ninety fourth percentile. Last

1093
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: year twentieth percentile. So that's a big change. Just being

1094
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: able to hit the ball on the bat where you

1095
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: want it, get the most out of it. And it's

1096
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: just like his progression now seems like the most obvious

1097
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: in the whole team, where it's like, I don't think

1098
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: he's going to be three thirty batting average, batting champ again,

1099
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 2: but if he's two ninety with three fifty on base

1100
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: like that again, suddenly becomes like a four win player again,

1101
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: seven to seventy, seven to sixty oh ps, Like, now

1102
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: you're cooking with Jeff O'Neil again. We last year he was,

1103
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, kind of a black

1104
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: hole the whole year.

1105
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was. It was tough for sure, And

1106
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: I think Lindor got in the car now, right, so

1107
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think I'm gonna say this

1108
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: felt like that was like looming over it because everybody

1109
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: every fucking time they talked about those two, like you

1110
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: buy you the car, He's like not not yet, Like, hey,

1111
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: how about we stop doing this? Like what if? What

1112
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: if we don't keep asking if if his teammates spent

1113
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars on him yet, Like.

1114
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, another cool thing about Jeff is that he was

1115
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: he's never been a base steeler he's still like three

1116
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: to five a year. But to do rules last year

1117
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't even on base that much. He's still still

1118
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 2: ten for the first time, he's still like basically fifty

1119
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: percent of a runner. He's another guy like with Martee

1120
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: in the lower half of the order, get a single

1121
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: steal second base, like get aggressive, let's start running a

1122
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: little bit.

1123
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: Or if like Marte hits in front of him, hit

1124
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: and run with those two.

1125
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: Got great with them right right there, five six and

1126
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: the order six seven, depending on what happens with Bathy

1127
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: and next guy, we're gonna talk about, like there's a

1128
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: lot of potential for these two to be like a

1129
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: little smash and dash to the bomb of the order couple,

1130
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: like little scrappy guys like you were just so funny.

1131
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: It's like that's what Buck Show Walter would have loved.

1132
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: Yes, but I wanted too, that's the problem.

1133
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted too. Yeah, He's like, I want that

1134
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: to be the most common at bats possible. I want

1135
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: hit and run as much as we possibly can.

1136
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I mean, I think this team is

1137
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: gonna do some scrappy baseball things this year. That was

1138
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: like a staple of these Brewers teams like they would

1139
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: run a lot like they would put it like they

1140
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't probably didn't have as many contact oriented guys this

1141
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: Mets team, because this Mets team was built by people

1142
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: who might have been a little like I just tried

1143
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: to try and do too much in terms of like

1144
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: being afraid of the ballpark. We gave like Zasman in

1145
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: the front office credit for doing this few years ago.

1146
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: They might have overdone it, and now they just they

1147
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: still need some power, but they still have these guys

1148
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: the teams. You might as well play the strengths and

1149
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: strengths the team probably gonna be contact and speed, especially

1150
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: the bombing of the order. I think that's a fine

1151
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: strategy to employee try and get the most out of

1152
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: these guys who you need a lot out of to

1153
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: become a playoff team.

1154
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: It is funny how just like how baseball changes, like

1155
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: even like year to year to year of what's going on,

1156
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: but like even like ten years ago, it's like, man

1157
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: need the speed at the top of the order. Now

1158
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: we're like speed at the bottom of the orders. Pretty cool,

1159
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: like and then it can become the top of the

1160
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: order when you have the actual good hitters coming up

1161
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: and those guys are on base. Wow, you could really

1162
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: generate some runs here.

1163
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know they always say fourth and the

1164
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: order second leadoff. You lead off the second most innings

1165
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: of any of any position the line up besides the number.

1166
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: So like it's like what they used to tell the

1167
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: kids in the Little league. When you hit ninth, You're like,

1168
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: you're the second leadoff hitter. You're like, that's not that

1169
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. How does that work? Now?

1170
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: Just tell me?

1171
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: Because I couldn't hit and I want to get on

1172
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: base and use my speed, but that I was like, yeah,

1173
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: let me do that. I'm secondly enough, basically i'm last.

1174
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: But there's there's something to that. And like, I think

1175
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 2: that a lot of this still will come into more

1176
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: into more into focus when we know where Francisco Alphus

1177
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: is this year, because he's my pick for the most

1178
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: important player in this team. I don't think that there's

1179
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 2: someone in this team who can go, who can change

1180
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: the Mets bottom line more than Fancisco Aliverus. Maybe it

1181
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: is Coda saying up as long as everything stays intact,

1182
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it's sever Reino. If we get twenty twenty twenty

1183
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: two seve Reno, in SEID twenty twenty three seve Reno.

1184
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: But even still, like I'm not giving Severna more than

1185
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: a hundred for the innings, like best case scenario, like

1186
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: how many he has to spend a month on the

1187
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: aea It just has to like everything there is too tight.

1188
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: It's just that this. But Alvarez is the guy who, like.

1189
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: If he goes off, if he does what he's capable

1190
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: of doing, he suddenly becomes like a thirty five home

1191
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: run three fifty on bass guy, he's a full He's

1192
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: like a legitimate four hit there. He's the best offensive

1193
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: catcher in baseball. Like this is all within range, Like

1194
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: this isn't even crazy to think about, Like this is

1195
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: all there, Like even right now, projections have him at

1196
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: twenty three homers seven before the OPS three war, which

1197
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: is basically where he was last year. I think it

1198
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: was twenty five homers, twenty four homers like seven to

1199
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: twenty ops like two point six war. Like that's like

1200
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: where the median projection is. That's the fifties percents off

1201
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: of the twenty two year old super prospect catcher. Second

1202
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: most home runs for catchers all league less, you're only

1203
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: behind col rally, what if he goes ape shit? Like

1204
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: what if he does because he can't go ape shit,

1205
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: like he might he might do it, and like he's

1206
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: doing all the right things spring training right now. There

1207
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: was a video the win around of him giving Kevin

1208
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Parada framing instructions. Kevin is older than Francisco Alvas. Guys,

1209
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: he's older than him and Kevin Francisco alfers, like this

1210
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: is how you should do it. Like he's already taking

1211
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: a feather role. He's twenty two, Like he's he's younger

1212
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: than my little sister, Like this is like it's insane

1213
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: to think about. Like he would be draft eligible right now.

1214
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: He already is one of the best offensive catchers in baseball.

1215
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: And I think that there's so much of how Alvers

1216
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: improved in season last year offensively because defensively he was

1217
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: betting anybody thought. Leadership wise, he's bet than anybody thought.

1218
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Is English, He's already he's a woman nearly fluent in

1219
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: that he's giving it. Alan doesn't even need to be

1220
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: around anymore. If cisc olver's talking to me, to himself,

1221
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: he's just there for moral support, wearing his cool clothes.

1222
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: So that's it. I think, I think fairly is the

1223
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: most shots we've taken at the organization a long time.

1224
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think there's a few.

1225
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: The Bacon's a crazy couple of days. I think we're

1226
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: finally officially back.

1227
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: We get kicked in the ascid enough, but a whole

1228
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: segment making fun of Anthony Dicomo.

1229
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: The boys are back in town.

1230
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: But Alva said so many things last year in season

1231
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: that really like locked me into being like this guy

1232
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: could super be elite. By the end of the year,

1233
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: he was betting league gatherers and chase race, something he

1234
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: was really struggling with in the first half. Second half.

1235
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: Walk rate was eleven percent. Eleven percent was five percent

1236
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: in the first half. He doubled it in the second half,

1237
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: Like he's just to give me to the next person. Really,

1238
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: he's learning on the fly, and that's kind of the

1239
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: thing about being in the leade prospect becoming an elite

1240
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: baseball player. His worst are the only thing that are

1241
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: still really high. But that's because he takes fucking hacks.

1242
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: He's being aggressive in the right places. He's swinging about

1243
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: league average in the zone. He's not chasing, like right

1244
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: there you're like, oh, this is this is this is

1245
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: the stuff right there. And there's two things that are

1246
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: happening with Cisco Alva is last year as a Hither,

1247
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: where if he can even identify one of these issues

1248
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: and fix them, he will become again one of the

1249
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: best offensive catchers in baseball and one of the biggest

1250
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: X factors in a team in baseball and possibly like

1251
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: a legit burgeoning superstar on the likes of all these

1252
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: other guys we've seen take these massive steps last few years,

1253
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: like he could be, Like he could be a five

1254
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: six six war player, Like will I don't even think

1255
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: that's impossible. Seriously, like he can he can compete with

1256
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: Cisco indor femalest valuable player in this team. Number one

1257
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: thing is that Francisco Alvas isn't really good identifying pitches

1258
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: right now in the shadow of the zone. This was

1259
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: another big part of their foolish baseball is for the aware,

1260
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: the shadow of the zone is where the pitcher always

1261
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: wins because sometimes you get that pitch as a called strike.

1262
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes the ball but it's a close ball, keeps a

1263
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: Hither thinking, but a lot of times the Hither swing

1264
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: it and he makes contact, whether it's never good contact.

1265
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: This is where Aaron Nola has built his entire career.

1266
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: He's gonna make three hundred million dollars. This is why

1267
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Hendricks has been what he's been for the last

1268
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: couple of years. Like this is where this is why

1269
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: Greg Max is one of the best pictures of all time.

1270
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: If you can live your whole life and that shadow

1271
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: of the zone is a picture, you literally always win. Now,

1272
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: Verus was bad last year in negative twenty one run

1273
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: value in the shadow of the zone. That was bottom

1274
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: ten percent time in the league. And I think that

1275
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: half of that was because, again he doesn't chase very often,

1276
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: so that's a zone. I think he was focused on

1277
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 2: being like, okay, like if it's gonna be a strike,

1278
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: I want to hit it. Like if it's gonna be

1279
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: a ball, I'm gonna leave it. But that's shallow right there.

1280
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: Him just being aggressive, him swinging a lot more on

1281
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: average forty percent first pitch swing great last year, which

1282
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: was much high on the average, like twenty three percent,

1283
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: one of the highest in the whole league. Forty percent

1284
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: first pitch swing. I think his pitchers realized very obviously

1285
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: that if we throw a pitch again, if you have

1286
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: to look at this is a picture that's part of

1287
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: the command more so than control, Whereas like I need

1288
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: to put this pitch there, and the pitch is gonna

1289
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: end up there alverret is gonna swing at it, and

1290
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 2: you're gonna get out of the bat in a good way.

1291
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: Because this is a scary hitter. And like we just

1292
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: got him to roll the ball over the second base,

1293
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that. And that whole thing about

1294
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: him not being able to hit the shadow kind of

1295
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: matches the way he was pitched and the sign that

1296
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: hit the pitchers realized how good he is. He by

1297
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: far saw the most pitches of any zone last year,

1298
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: low and away in that little corner, lowing away in

1299
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: the zone and then the big trunk outside the zone.

1300
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: This is all found on Baseball Savant on their zones

1301
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: tab on the stackcast page. Twenty one percent of all

1302
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: pitches he saw the whole year were lowing away outside

1303
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: the zone, and then lowing away in the zone were

1304
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: another eighteen percent, So we're pushing nearly forty percent of

1305
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: all the pitches he saw last year in that one

1306
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: little cluster low and away by far most of anything

1307
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: he saw, and his groundball rate on those pitches were

1308
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: over sixty percent, where in the season it was about

1309
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: forty four percent. So there's not a lot of damage

1310
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: being done in those pitches. So being pitched there and

1311
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: being a little jumpy, it makes a lot of sense

1312
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: that that is where not his hole is, because I'll

1313
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: talk about that in a second, like where his hole

1314
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: is in the zone, but that's where it's the easiest

1315
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: for pitchers to limit his damage.

1316
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that makes sense. It's not an

1317
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: easy pitch to hit. That's very hard conceptually, think thinking

1318
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: of the strike zone. Where would you want to throw

1319
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: to a guy who crushes the ball pulls it for

1320
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty foot tanks. How about low and

1321
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: away the hardest pitch for you to reach and pull

1322
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: to left field like this' It just conceptually makes sense as.

1323
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: Well, totally, And that's why the key for that for

1324
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: Alvarez is spitting on that pitch and just being just

1325
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: taking that pitch like that's where you do the best.

1326
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: Like I think also in this video from Foolish, like

1327
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: Freddy Freeman and Jordan Alvarez were the only hitters who

1328
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: had positive run value on pitch in the shadow because

1329
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: Frey Freeman's disgusting at it.

1330
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like plus like seventeen runs.

1331
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, held, you do that, But that's just a lot

1332
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: of that is based on just like your hands, like

1333
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: how good your hands are. You could get to that

1334
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: pitch a little inside strike zone, like you could put

1335
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: that one lowing outside and like get the double on it,

1336
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 2: Like that's just special.

1337
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: Not many guys they could do that. Two guys the

1338
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: whole league did that last year.

1339
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman genuinely, I say, this has some of the

1340
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: best hitting hands I've ever seen in my entire life.

1341
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: Like he what he's able to do at the plate

1342
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense. He's just so fucking good, Like

1343
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: it's insane.

1344
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: There's something else very different about those two guys of

1345
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 2: Fisco Alvarez, and it's very biological. Those two have insane arms,

1346
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: Like their arms are so long you've ever seen your

1347
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: On Alvaz in person, Like his arms his hands are

1348
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: like at his knees, Like how's he doing that? And

1349
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: Freddie Freeman is also like wingspan god, like that's how

1350
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: he scoops everything in firty space.

1351
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: But those two aren't the norm. And I think that

1352
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 3: if Francisco.

1353
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: Alvarez, as he continues to progress as a hitter, finds

1354
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: ways to spit on that low and outside pitch and

1355
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: avoid those pitches in the shadow, like infinitely, if he

1356
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: just starts taking those pitches and gets to ball one,

1357
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: gets to one, oh says, swing at that pitch and

1358
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: putting it in the play right away, Like we're looking

1359
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: at like a ten percent different WRC plus, like we're

1360
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: looking at the jump. And the next thing is something

1361
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: that's been Alvarez his whole again for forever. There'scus have

1362
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: been talking about him since he was seventeen years old

1363
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: already in lowe is that he's always had this hole

1364
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: high in the zone, and that's been something about how

1365
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 2: hard he swings, how high he swings, like the fact

1366
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: he does have a big natural uppercut. He does really

1367
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: well on that low and inside pitch, that low metal pitch.

1368
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: Even when he barrels up the low and outside pitch

1369
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: he gets around on he could really do some damage

1370
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 2: with it. That was the pitch that he hit against

1371
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: the market home run for Andrew Chaefan last year, Like

1372
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: that was low and outside. I think it was a

1373
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: change up and he just put the barrel down there

1374
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: and just got a little too much plate and that's

1375
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: where he fucked up Andrew Chafin. But you know, Sarius

1376
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: includes some good analysis on this hole in alvais swinging

1377
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: a piece about hitters that could break out this year

1378
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: more bat Fantasy baseball. But he had like it was Torkosin,

1379
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: it was Christopher Morrell, it was Francisco Alvarez, and it

1380
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: was oh somebody else, I forgot who it is, Like

1381
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: like all three of those hits though, it was fun,

1382
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: fun young hitters who were going to break out. But

1383
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: Alvas's highest were freight by far is high and up

1384
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: in the zone, especially high middle. And we've seen him

1385
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: take those big hacks that high pitch. He wants to

1386
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: hit them and like he's going to take the shot

1387
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: out when he does hit that.

1388
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does hit that high middle pitch. He crushes it.

1389
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: But he whished a lot in that pitch and by far,

1390
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: by far, by far, by far, his worst hard hit

1391
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: rate in the zone was up and in. He barely

1392
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: hits it hard there right here, right in his hands,

1393
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: like right right right on him, which makes sense.

1394
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: It's a hard pitch.

1395
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Hit.

1396
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: And he also that was the only spot in the

1397
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: strike zone for Cisco Overs had zero barrels in twenty

1398
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: twenty three, the only spot in the hole zone. So

1399
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: as much as I told you he struggles that low nside,

1400
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: he still got his barrel in that ball more than

1401
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: the one that was up and in.

1402
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 3: Like that just is his hole.

1403
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: But if you look in September, he improved the slogan

1404
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: percentage on that pitch. He improves batting average on that pitch,

1405
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: and pitcher started actually threw that pitch less. They started

1406
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: moving it to a little more back to down away

1407
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: because Alvarez has like a zone we're up and away,

1408
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: he does stupid things. Yeah, Like that's kind of the

1409
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: EEno call to his nitro zone, which I like that.

1410
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: I like the term of nitro zone.

1411
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 3: I like that a lot.

1412
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: Whereas like up up middle is where he swings and

1413
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: misses the most often, up and away if you throw

1414
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: it there, good luck. Up and is where he does

1415
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: the least damage. But the fact that pictures identified that

1416
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: whole in season, they were throwing it to him, and

1417
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: you guys, remember he hit that skid like once July

1418
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: and August came around. But then once September came back,

1419
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: he himself identified that hole. He started making better contact

1420
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: on that pitch, and the pictures had to find another plan.

1421
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: So it's already became in season more difficult to pitch

1422
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: to the twenty one year old catcher super prospect and

1423
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: now he's twenty two, all different now, But the fact

1424
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: that he's making these adjustments in season and pictures are

1425
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: identifying them and having to go off those adjustments, like

1426
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: it's this cat and mouse game is something that's special,

1427
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: and that's something that him. What he's doing defensively and

1428
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: what he is as a prospect, and what he has

1429
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: for power. It's not like other people. And if he

1430
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: can do even one of these two things, even a

1431
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: twenty percent adjustment each of these two things, like this

1432
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: could be this could be nuclear, it could be he

1433
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 2: could be everything we want.

1434
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: That was like your your grad school thesis right there

1435
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: about Francisco Alvarez. Just let you go for like eight minutes, like, yeah, talk,

1436
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: go talk about why Francisco Alvarez is him for a

1437
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. Why White has the best tattooed on

1438
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: his neck. I mean he really does. He has the ability,

1439
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: like we laughed about like always saying like, because every

1440
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: team does this with whoever prospect, you're looking for the

1441
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: next whatever, looking for the next Piazza. He really does

1442
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: have the ability to be that offensively, like he could

1443
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: be so good, so ridiculously good, and people like we're

1444
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: people talk about like comparing him to other catches in baseball,

1445
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: like the Gary Sanchez comp comes out a lot when

1446
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: Gary Sanchez and Fiscual for his age, he was still

1447
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: like working his way through like the Granton Wilkes Bary,

1448
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: like the Trenton Thunder, Like he wasn't even close to

1449
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: the major leagues yet.

1450
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: Adlie Rushman for Squalvera, his age last year was like

1451
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: just off playing football State to give a sense of

1452
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,479
Speaker 2: what he is in this stage, Like people, this doesn't happen.

1453
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: People don't do this.

1454
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: People are talking about Ethan Salas right now. He's the

1455
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: hot prospect in the world because he reached double a

1456
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: seventeen year old.

1457
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1458
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, if he makes, if he makes

1459
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: the major leagues of twenty one, like the only comp

1460
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: is Francisco Alvarez. He's the first one year old bench.

1461
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: He's the first one year old catcher to be like

1462
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: a league average hitter, sitting like for a full season

1463
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 2: and like a generation since punch like this is special.

1464
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: What you're seeing is unique and different, like he and

1465
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: he could. It might not click this year, maybe this

1466
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: next year. Maybe I'm a year early. Maybe it's two

1467
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: years after that because of how hardest to catch in

1468
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 2: the big leagues, Like maybe he goes through a sophomore

1469
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: slump and I look like an asshole right now, But

1470
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: like all the pieces are here for him to be

1471
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: like a future superstar.

1472
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 3: And that's that's the point.

1473
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. The dude works so hard. You

1474
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: heard Trevor May talk about it too, Like he's just

1475
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: such a hard worker. He's not content with being where

1476
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: he's at. He wants to be the best, like he

1477
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: has tattooed on his neck, And that's that's part of

1478
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: it too. You gotta want it. And he's got some

1479
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: fucking dog in him, that's for sure.

1480
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 3: Punts.

1481
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: The other guy I want to talk about who I think,

1482
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, could be the most import and on

1483
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: the team, it's gonna be Brett Bady And the reason

1484
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: is that the range of outcomes with him is probably

1485
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: the most significant offensively, where this is probably the year

1486
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: for him with the Mets. Probably gotta figure it out

1487
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: this year otherwise you're really starting to figure out who's

1488
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: gonna be the next third baseman, what are we gonna

1489
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: do there? And simply to put it, Brett Bady can't

1490
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: play like he has the last couple of seasons. We've

1491
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: seen the sparks. The sparks has been great. When he's on,

1492
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: you go, oh. It makes a ton of sense as

1493
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: to why this guy was a first round pick of

1494
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: top prospect, why everybody has so many great things to say.

1495
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: But when he's been bad, he has been like unplayably

1496
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: bad and sucks to say because me and you are

1497
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: huge believers in this guy and we know he's got

1498
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: the talent. Like, there's way too many people who like

1499
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: what they saw to just be this wrong about Brett Baty.

1500
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens, But if he can figure out how

1501
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: to hit at the major league level, this could be

1502
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: a huge difference maker for the Mets because you're now

1503
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: taking a position that, for lack of a better term,

1504
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: was an automatic out last year whoever was playing third base,

1505
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: you're out get that's one out every three innings that

1506
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: you come to the plate. I don't even care how

1507
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: he plays defensively. I truly don't care if he can hit.

1508
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: If he can hit, do whatever you want at third base.

1509
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: Just be better than Rafael Dever's And that's really not

1510
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: that difficult because that guy has no hands. But I

1511
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: don't even think he's gonna be that bad defensively, Like

1512
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: he's a good athlete. And we know that it was

1513
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: a positioning issue because Joey Kora and Buck Showalter wing

1514
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: Kirby didn't actually do anything during the game. They were

1515
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: taking a nap and Buck Showalter was writing things down

1516
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: in his book. He's like, Ah, what am I gonna

1517
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: eat for dinner tonight? Like, I don't know. The guys

1518
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: seem so disinterested in the entire game. I think that

1519
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: this spring training we're gonna see a lot of improvements

1520
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: from Brett Baty. And then it's really just about the confidence,

1521
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: because he has the ability. If he can go into

1522
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: the season confident, maybe get off to a hot start.

1523
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: Maybe that's all he needs is one week of playing

1524
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: well and he'd be like, oh shit, like I do

1525
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: belong here. I am the third baseman. This is my position.

1526
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's sending Viento's down. I don't know, maybe that

1527
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: puts pressure on him. I have no clue, but I

1528
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: really do believe that if we can get the Brett

1529
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: Baby that we know is possible, and I'm not talking

1530
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: about being even like a one to twenty WRC plus guy,

1531
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: it gil be one oh five to one ten range

1532
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: right now. That would be such a massive improvement on

1533
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: what we've gotten offensively had that position last year. That's

1534
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: like sixty points better than what it was last year.

1535
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't care how much better is than league average.

1536
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: Just being able to improve on the position from what

1537
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: it was last season, I think that could be the

1538
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: biggest difference maker for this entire team.

1539
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: Something that Matt that he told us when he was

1540
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: on he talks to us both about too, is that

1541
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: Baby relatively has struggled at new levels, especially after big jumps,

1542
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 2: and the jump from Triple A to the Major League

1543
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: is like the biggest jump in professional.

1544
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: Sports, so that's meaningful.

1545
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: It's also like his first few games at double A

1546
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: when he did the high A to double A jump

1547
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one. It was also about the month

1548
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: of struggle before he really got himself going, so I

1549
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: think that that's kind of might be part of the

1550
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: adjustment as well, justin Pierriod, just the fact that these

1551
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: big jumps like you just have to get your sea

1552
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: legs under him. And it's still it's still four hundred

1553
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: Major league play appearances, like it's really crazy.

1554
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: Tim Britain wrote a.

1555
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Great article this week on The Athletic about compster Brett

1556
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: Baity and like basically whether or not he could turn

1557
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: it around and his his OPS plus and his first

1558
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: fourage of play appearance. It was in the same range

1559
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: as a lot of guys who didn't make it, who

1560
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: weren't didn't wind up being really good Major leaguers of course,

1561
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: of course, But then a couple of guys who come

1562
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: to mind, where Ramas Fromirez, Carlos Gonzalez, Tory Hunter, Jonathan

1563
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: Scope all in the again, Scope is different than those guys.

1564
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: But even if Baby becomes joonasthan Scope, like I think

1565
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: it's still still works, still totally works, but it's just

1566
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: there's it's not enough has happened right now to write

1567
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: this guy off all the way and just the minor

1568
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: league results are too good. He still hits the ball

1569
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: too hard. He was talking a lot in this article

1570
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: two about looking back at swing videos from last year

1571
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: and being like firstively disgusted by the way his swing looked,

1572
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: like his mechanics and just talking about the fact that

1573
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: his top hand wasn't right, it wasn't strong, it wasn't

1574
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: staying on the bat, and that's why he was pulling

1575
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: his ground balls and hitting his popping up the other way.

1576
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's like and he knows. He talks about it, like,

1577
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: I know I have to get pull power.

1578
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: I know I need to hit the ball in the

1579
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: air to right field, Like that's where that's where I'm

1580
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: my best BASEBA player, that's where I've my most potential.

1581
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: So he fully aware of it. He's watching the videos,

1582
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: he's definitely working.

1583
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: With people like it's all it's all right there, like

1584
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: he was such a good prospect and not just like

1585
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: with popcorn stats, like the walk rates were good, the

1586
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: strikeout rates were good, the power was amazing, the fly

1587
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: ball rates were in line, like the ece of Vlossies

1588
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: aren't saying, like his batting practice still is fucking silly awesome.

1589
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 2: If anybody gets cityfield early enough to hear you gotta

1590
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: watch a bread baby baging practic session. Because he hits

1591
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: rockets all over the world. He's aware of what's happening,

1592
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: and he knows how to fix it, and it just

1593
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: becomes a fact of doing it.

1594
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: I think that it's a.

1595
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: Moment where we all gotta be a little bit. We

1596
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: all gotta be like Philly fans for a second. We

1597
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: gotta be fucking little bit opening day ovation rocks crowd everyone.

1598
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you fucking boom on opening Day, you should

1599
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: be ashamed of yourself. Getta forget fucking real. Like I

1600
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: you guys know we hate those fans. You know we

1601
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: hate those fans. But like a kid who's had four

1602
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: hundred played appearances, why would you not want to give

1603
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: him an environment where he can succeed. I don't understand

1604
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: those Mets fans who are like I want to boom

1605
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: my players so that they hate playing here, they hate

1606
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: coming to their job, they don't want to play well,

1607
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: Like I want to make their job even harder than

1608
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: it already is. Why the fuck would you want to

1609
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: be that guy? It's never made sense. Again, if someone

1610
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: is dogging it, or if someone is I don't know,

1611
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: maybe Anthony Rendon, who's an asshole, Like I could get it,

1612
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: but this is a young kid who's just like had

1613
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: four hundred tough played appearances at the hot highest level

1614
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: of baseball played anywhere in the world. Root for this

1615
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: kid if he if he stinks, you can blame me

1616
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: and James. Sorry we gave you a bad INFU. Sorry

1617
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: we believed in all the stats and numbers and that

1618
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: they failed us one time. But like, just give this

1619
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: kid a fucking chance.

1620
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: It's not even just stats numbers, it's also scouting reports.

1621
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: In people's eyes, like blame everyone in baseball, Yeah, everyone else,

1622
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: Blame Baseball America, Blame att Eddie, blame everybody.

1623
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: But it's just like there's there's pressure.

1624
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: He's like he got thrown into like what felt like

1625
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: a pen rice beginning of last year and he kind

1626
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: of got caught and he never called up to it.

1627
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: But he's still a guy who was forty percent bett

1628
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: in the garbage triple A, fifty percent bet in the

1629
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: garbage at Double A, and he was always like adequately

1630
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: aged or young for the level. There's just there's so

1631
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: much here where it's just like what, I don't know,

1632
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: what if he just has a has a fifteen homer

1633
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: year in his league average. That that's Alec Bama. Alec

1634
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: Bohm is celebrated. People sing his name in the streets,

1635
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: like that's all we need. Give me, give me a

1636
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: two fifty bating average, fifteen home runs, one hundred WRC

1637
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: plus and start making moves to the next year, because

1638
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: like that, Just get your legs under you and be

1639
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: a good baseball players. I know he is a good

1640
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: baseball player. I know he knows he could be a

1641
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: good baseb player. No, he wants to be a good

1642
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: baseball player. Just about the execution. At this point, I

1643
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: think that's not that's not as far away as most

1644
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: met fans want it to be.

1645
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get excited about the bottom of the order.

1646
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm getting good feelings.

1647
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm just so excited about this Mets season this year.

1648
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm so excited good feelings.

1649
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1650
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 3: I can't wait to just grind eighty five wins. It's

1651
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 3: gonna be awesome.

1652
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: And then can't wait to pay for like a two

1653
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: dollars ticket, bring in a sandwich and just and just

1654
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: watch them afternoon baseball on a Thursday.

1655
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: So excited to bring my own food into City Field.

1656
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: I can't.

1657
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 3: I can't wait to pack my lunch.

1658
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: So the free food was awesome, but it well.

1659
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: No, I it was kick but no free food. That's

1660
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 3: what Right now, I'm not buying that overpriced food anymore.

1661
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: That makes my stomach curve. But I can't.

1662
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna top War is gonna go so crazy this

1663
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: year as they feel. I'm gonna bring extravagant lunches into

1664
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: that place. But last guy want to talk about quickly

1665
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: because we're over an hour here. The last X factor

1666
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: is guy. I've been talking guys eye of all year.

1667
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: I'll give you two minutes. I'm just Christian Scott. Like

1668
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: it's the world's starting to get hit right now. Tacomo

1669
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: posts a tweet about him flum mixing Mets hitters and

1670
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: live VP the other day. It's a good word at

1671
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: the sorous February is the Sourus month. But he's just

1672
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: the velocity is still going up. The secondaries are legit.

1673
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: Like at the Prospect World, the Fantasy base Board, everyone's

1674
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: starting to get ready for Christian Scott. The forthy Man

1675
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: thing makes me like really think they might they might

1676
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: not put them on the roster as soon as they

1677
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: want him to be, but like I'm hoping he comes

1678
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 2: out in spring training. It doesn't give them a choice.

1679
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: And that may June, May July. We're seeing Christian Scott

1680
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: throw a meaningful ending like this just to me feels

1681
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: like the next the first of what could be another

1682
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: wave of Mets pitching prospects. We're going on a decade

1683
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: without developing a picture, so it's it's time. And I

1684
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: know I'm not gonna believe it till it's true, but

1685
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: everything I'm seeing Christian Scott makes me think it's true.

1686
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: So just I'm ready. I'm ready to get hurt again.

1687
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, pitching Lab, trust the pitching Lab, trust Eric Jaegers

1688
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: and and Jeremy Haffner'm gonna let them do their thing.

1689
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: Hands off, hands off.

1690
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: And then the last thing to leave you guys with is.

1691
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: That there was a rumor this morning that Francisquaver is

1692
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: near an extension where we record their earlies. I got

1693
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: some stuff to do today, and uh, Hector Gomez has

1694
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: not Hector Gomessa is happening, Andy Martinez say, is not true?

1695
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: Choose your own adventure.

1696
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the mess ci Franus quaalvars who an

1697
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: extension is the grace thing ever, or oh my god,

1698
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: the medicine still have no side OVAs to an extension,

1699
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: so nothing has changed.

1700
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: We'll say Hector Gomez has about a fifty to fifty rate.

1701
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: He is either like so early and like it fucking

1702
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: drives Jeff Passon and all those guys nuts because they

1703
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: Him and Jeff Passon have major beef and I kind

1704
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: of love it. Like Jeff Passon will take shots at him,

1705
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: He'll take shots back at him, kind of like a

1706
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: little reporter beef. These guys are too friendly over there.

1707
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: But I'd love for it to be true. I'd love

1708
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: to sneak away some years of Francisco Alvares for cheaper, right, just.

1709
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 3: Get get I mean, also, like why not just do it?

1710
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: Just ramp it, like, just have some fun here.

1711
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: Why not? It's not our money.

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Speaker 3: It's also like I would love him not to deal

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Speaker 3: with arbitration.

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Speaker 2: Just go back to Venezuela in the off season, hang

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: out with your family, do what you gotta do, and

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Speaker 2: then come back ready to go when you're right.

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Speaker 1: When we're for you one hundred percent, guys, we have

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Speaker 1: nothing else to talk to you about today. If anything

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Speaker 1: else happens, during the week you know, we'll up an

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Speaker 1: emergency episode otherwise. Thank you so much for listening and

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Speaker 1: watching remembers. If you're listening Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google drops

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Speaker 1: the rating, drop us a review, download and subscribe over

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01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel mess Up Podcast if you want

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Speaker 1: to find us there, and then our social media mets

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01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. You can follow us

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: and see our short form content which we've been pumping out.

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01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate the amazing support you guys have been showing. We're

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Speaker 1: excited baseball's back and can't wait to talk some more

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: with you guys on the next episode.

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Speaker 3: Peace Out, peace Out, See you guys next time.