1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to an emergency episode of Movie 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Mike's Movie Podcast. I am recording this on Sunday, July 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: twenty eighth. The news broke last night that Robert Downey 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Junior is returning to the MCU. He is gonna play 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four villain Doctor Doom in the newly titled 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Avengers movie Avengers Doomsday, which is coming out on May twenty, 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: twenty sixth. They also announced Avenger's Secret Wars, which is 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: coming out in May twenty twenty seven. This is all 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: because they are having to shift their plans after they 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: lost and got rid of Jonathan Majors, who was gonna 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: be the next big villain. They were, you know, teeing 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: up King the Conqueror, and now that is no more 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: with good reason. We'll get into all those details, but 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: the big deal here is that Robert Downey Junior is back, 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: not as Iron Man, but as Doctor Doom. And I 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: have so many conflicting feelings, and the nerd side of 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: me is kind of losing my mind because I'm a 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: huge Robert Downey Junior fan. He did a fantastic job 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: as Ironman. Carried the MCU is the reason it was 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: so successful. But that is the nerd side of me speaking. 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: The film enthusiast side of me is saying, what is 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: done is done. They should let Tony Stark, Robert Downey 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: Junior rest and move on. But I think that's hard 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: to do because without Jonathan Majors and everything that we're 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: banking on, they're in a tough position. And I want 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: to start with the announcement last night because I thought 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: it was epic, and I think my initial feelings are 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: based on if I was in that room at Comic 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Con and I was sitting there, I would feel overwhelming excitement. 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: And this is the moment where the Russo Brothers were 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: talking about introducing Doctor Doom. They didn't say who was 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: playing him yet, but then you see this person walk 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: onto the stage with the Doctor Doom mask, which is 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: this silver, metallic, big looking mask dressed in green, and 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: then you see him take his mask off and it's 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: revealed that it's Robert Downey Junior. So I put myself 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: into the position if I was there at Comic Con, 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: how would I feel in this moment? And I would 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: be much like those people losing my mind because if 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: you see Robert Downey Junior up there. You're gonna get excited. 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be like all the nerds on the 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: internet right now saying this is terrible dat you lenden 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: brist decision Marvel has ever made. The people saying that 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: are the same people who said that Marvel was cooked after. 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen an endgame. 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: These are also the same people who have still gone 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: to every single Marvel movie just to complain about it. 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: So I can see it from that end, I could 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: see if you were gonna say that this was a 50 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: cash grab, I don't think it is that. If this 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: were a cash grab, they would have introduced Robert Downey 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: Junior returning as iron Man and iron Man for or 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: him just coming back into an Avenger and with all 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: the multiverse stuff which gets a little bit muddy here 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: and there. They could have got away with it, but 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: they didn't do that. They're bringing them back as a villain. 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: So I think it is interesting. 58 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm still hesitant about it, but overall I am excited 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: and I like it. The big tagline that Robert Downeys 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Junior told the audience from the stage is new mask, 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: same task, which I think is gonna be the real 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: indication of what his character is going to you know, 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: his motives are going to be in the comic books, 64 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: in the Fantastic Four film franchise, which has been historically bad. 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: It just hasn't been good in my opinion, which I'll 66 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: get into a little bit about why I'm worried about this, 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: But I think that is the interesting part. New mask, 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: same task, meaning that he is no longer going to 69 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: be wearing the Iron Man mask slash suit, but the 70 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: same task remains. What is that task? And I started 71 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: thinking about that. What was Iron Man really trying to do? 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: He was trying to protect the world. If you go 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: back to Age of Voltron and his motives in that movie, 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: he kind of went kind of Avengers backs, trying to 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: save the world. Yeah, so trying to do good, but 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: in turn created Oldtron, which ended up causing so much 77 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: death and destruction that you could convince me in that 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: movie Iron Man was a little bit of a villain 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: looking at him battling Captain America over having different feelings 80 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: on how the Avengers should be regulated. So in Civil 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: War they fought against each other. Again, you could be 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: on Iron Man's side, you could be on Captain America's side. 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm more on the side of Iron Man, just because 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: Captain America is a little bit too much of a 85 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: boy scout for me. So I tend to side with 86 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: Ironman's motives, but I don't think he's right one hundred 87 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: percent of the time. You could have a little fringe 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: of evil in him. So I'm wondering how they're going 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: to introduce him, and if it's new mask, same task, 90 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: he could still be trying to save the world, but 91 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: maybe something just flips in him and suddenly he is 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: a villain, because maybe he's going a little bit too extreme. 93 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Even looking at Thanos, who has been the greatest villain 94 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: in the MCU, he has also had if you look 95 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: at it from a different perspective, maybe he was doing 96 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: the right thing. 97 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: So maybe they introduce him. 98 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't think they could bring him back as Ironman 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: in any capacity where he flips to doctor Doom, but 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: maybe something in that realm of him wanting to do 101 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: good at some point and then just going full heel 102 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: and becoming doctor Doom. I'm excited to see how it's 103 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: all going to play out. The other thing that is 104 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: exciting is that the Russo Brothers are returning who have 105 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: really been the driving force in the MCU for the 106 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: movies that we all love, going all the way back 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: to Captain America Winter Soldier in twenty fourteen, Captain America's 108 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Civil War in twenty sixteen, Avengers Infinity War in twenty eighteen, 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: and they also directed Avengers Endgame in twenty nineteen. Since then, 110 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: they've had add some success, put out some good decent movies, 111 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: even Cherry with Tom holland The Gray Man, but I 112 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: don't really think they've had a big monster hit outside 113 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: of the MCU. So I really think Marvel is in 114 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: a place where they want the hits, and they're coming 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: off a historic weekend with Deadpool and Wolverine making two 116 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: hundred and five million dollars at the US box office, 117 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: which is great, but I still don't think that movie 118 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: is enough to propel this next sphase forward. They need 119 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: something bigger, They need something that packs a little bit 120 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: more of a punch, and I think that punch is 121 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Robert Danney Junior teaming up with the Russo Brothers again 122 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: and with them doing two Avengers movies within two years again, 123 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: Doomsday coming out in twenty twenty six and Secret Wars 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: coming out in twenty twenty seven. I'm seeing this again 125 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: as how we got Infinity War going right into endgame, 126 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: maybe even doing it the same way where they film 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: all these movies at the same time, so is feel 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: very cohesive and at the end of the day, as 129 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: much as US nerds and MCU fans want to think 130 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: that all these movies are just being made directly for us, 131 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: which I think, they try to put. 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: A lot of what we love. 133 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: The characters that we're familiar with, and I think that's 134 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: probably due to a lot of the criticism of people 135 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: saying that the MCU is over it's because we don't 136 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: have as many familiar faces. But then when they bring 137 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: back a familiar face, we're like, no, we don't want 138 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: that either. And at the end of the day, they 139 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: are in the business of making money, and not just 140 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: a little money. They don't just want to clear ten 141 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars. They want to make movies that make 142 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: billions of dollars. So I think you go back to 143 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: that bread and Butter Robert Downey Junior and the Russo 144 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: brothers to do that. So I have no reason to 145 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: be so hesitant or skeptical. 146 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: Of the Russo Brothers. When you just look at. 147 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: The movies I mentioned, they haven't made a bad Marvel movie. 148 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Why would I I think now that they would forget 149 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: how to make these movies and turn out a turd? 150 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: And why is this all happening? 151 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Well, Jonathan Major's was being cued up to be that 152 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: next big villain, that big thanos threat that the MCU 153 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: always needs. He got into some trouble. A New York 154 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: jury found Jonathan Major's guilty of harassment and assault on 155 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: a former girlfriend, which caused Marvel to cut ties with him. 156 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: And I was growing to like Kang. I think they 157 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: did kind of a bad job introducing him in Loki, 158 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: and then in one of the most lackluster Marvel movies, 159 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: ant Man three, where he's supposed to be this next 160 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: big threat, got to you know, tee up for the 161 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: next Avengers movies, and then it was just kind of like, oh, 162 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: this is our big villain. So maybe it ended up 163 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: being a blessing in disguise that that didn't pan out 164 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: and they got to move on to something bigger, because 165 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: if they would have just recast King the Conqueror or 166 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: shifted to another villain, even if it was Doctor Doom, 167 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: but somebody else playing him. That wouldn't have had that 168 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: big of an impact. Announcing it at Comic Con it 169 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: would have been okay, cool, because even with Hugh Jackman 170 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: returning his Wolverine and making a lot of money over 171 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: the weekend, I don't think that would be enough to 172 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: propel this next phase of the MCU. You need something bigger. 173 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: And while Robert Downey Jr. Is still down to make 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: these movies not be Iron Man anymore, I think you 175 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: take him while he's still at that age where it 176 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: still makes sense, and I think he is down for 177 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: it because he has made between four hundred and four 178 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five million dollars with all of his 179 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: appearances in Ironman movies and Avengers movies and Spider Man movies, 180 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: So almost half a billion dollars that Robert Downey Junior 181 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: has made and well earned. He has essentially been the 182 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: foundation of this entire film franchise. But now I'll get 183 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: into what worries me. I think the fact that that 184 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: it is relying so heavily on the Fantastic four movie, 185 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: which is coming out next year. They announced that Comic 186 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: Con that the Fantastic four are going to be a 187 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: part of these next two Avengers movies. Historically, they have 188 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: not been good movies, going back to the films of 189 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: the two thousands, which are incredibly cheeseball. And people were 190 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: so excited about Fantastic Four. I wasn't really buying into 191 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: the hype because they've never been my favorite group of superheroes. 192 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: I know how important and impactful they were to Marvel 193 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: as a whole when it comes to the comics, have 194 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: some of the best selling comics of all time, and 195 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: we're really the foundation early on in Marble, and that 196 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: is why they have had so many stabs at making 197 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: good movies, because Okay, these are known, beloved characters, but 198 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: for some reason just doesn't translate on screen. 199 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: Why do I think that is? I think their. 200 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: Superpowers are a little bit corny. They've worked in the 201 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: comic books, especially way back when Marvel was just starting out, 202 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: but as a whole watching that on screen isn't that exciting. 203 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: They had the failed Fantastic four movie back in nineteen 204 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: ninety four that gave us this classic line from the 205 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: thingnn man, We're all gonna go get some help. That's 206 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: what we're excited about. And then Julian McMahon played Victor 207 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: von Doom aka Doctor Doom in two thousand and five, 208 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't really want any more of Doctor Doom, 209 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: even though he is a great villain. I'm currently reading 210 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: the new Doom comic book run at Marvel right now, 211 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: and that's fantastic. But there's a big difference in something 212 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: working in a comic book than working on the big screen. 213 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: They tried it again in the twenty tens, which also 214 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: gave us this horrendous line from the twenty fifteen movie 215 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: where they come up with the name Fantastic four right 216 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: at the very end. Come along way since the garage 217 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: got to say it's fantastic say that again. 218 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: It's fantastic, Yes it is, guys, I got it. 219 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: Ready, and then it shows Fantastic four. So the only 220 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: real hesitation I have is that the success of these 221 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: Avengers movies are going to rely on the success of 222 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four franchise. They did announce the title at 223 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Comic Con, the Fantastic Four First Steps. It's supposed to 224 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: take place in the sixties, so maybe that will change 225 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: the tone of this movie, because they can't do the 226 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: same thing over and over again that they have been 227 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: doing and hasn't worked. So it also makes me wonder 228 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: where the Avengers movies are going to take place. Are 229 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: they going to take place back in the sixties. 230 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: Secret Wars, the. 231 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: Comic book series came out in the eighties in nineteen 232 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: eighty four, which is my favorite limited run series. 233 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 2: He's in Marvel. 234 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: I have two of the comics, issue one on this 235 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: wall in this studio and Secret Wars eight that has 236 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: the Black sym Spider Man on my wall because I 237 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: love this series so much, and out of these two 238 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: Avengers movies, that is the one that I'm the most 239 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: excited about. But man, it comes out in twenty twenty seven, 240 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: that is so long. So in Secret Wars, there's this 241 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: all powerful being known as the Beyonder who takes all 242 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: of Marvel's superheroes to a planet called battle World, and 243 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: they all are forced to fight against each other. You 244 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: have the X Men as one team, you have the 245 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Avengers as another team. You also have the Fantastic Four, 246 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: so they are all kind of randomly transported here and 247 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: then through all these mixed messages are pitted against each other, 248 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,359 Speaker 1: which is a great story. Initially, before this news was announced. 249 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Figi was saying that there would be sixty plus 250 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: characters in the next Avengers movie, so it is going 251 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: to be a big task to take on. So I 252 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: think that's also why they are bringing the Russo Brothers back, 253 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: because they did that with Endgame, having to make one 254 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: of the biggest fight scenes of all time with so 255 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: many characters, So you want to get somebody with that 256 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: experience to pull it off again. And I think from 257 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: that story, the thing I'm the most excited about is 258 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: the black symbiote Spider Man being introduced in the MCU. 259 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: If you can bring Tom Holland back, oh man, that 260 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: is gonna be so good. So I feel like there 261 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: is a lot to be excited about. Once people get 262 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: over the fact that Robert Downey Junior is back, He's 263 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: not Iron Man. And I can already hear the argument 264 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: of people saying that I can't think of anything new anymore. 265 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: We just bringing back the same characters. I think that's 266 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: fine because those people are still gonna go watch the 267 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: movie and they're still gonna hate it. 268 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: There's no pleasing those people anymore. 269 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: The thing I have to think about is that I 270 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: feel that Marvel is still making movies for or the 271 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: same Marvel fan from back in two thousand and eight. 272 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be different in the next decade after these 273 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Avengers movies. It's gonna be more on the run that 274 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: Star Wars is doing. That they really don't care about 275 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: the original fans from the seventies and eighties. They are 276 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: focused so much now on just making new fans. Whenever 277 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: that happens, then maybe they even they flip me and 278 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: I will be a fan of these Marvel movies anymore. 279 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: But I think that they're still trying to encapsulate that 280 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: energy they created with the Infinity saga, but bring it 281 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: into the Multiverse saga. I also think that this is 282 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: kind of the culture that we harbored. We have become 283 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: accustomed to being excited by cameos, being excited by. 284 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: Actors coming back. 285 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: We've bought into the Multiverse, which is kind of a 286 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: double edged sword. 287 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: As much as I liked. 288 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: It in no way home now it kind of gives 289 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: them the ability to do anything and just say, hey, 290 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: it's the multimers. So we as fans have put our 291 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: money there saying that we do want to see that, 292 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: and they're going to chase that money and do more 293 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: things that bring us back into the theater to watch 294 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: something like that. So I wasn't upset about No Way Home. 295 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: I can't really be upset about them. 296 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: Bringing back Robert Downey Jr. 297 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: Now five years is a little soon, so I think 298 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: that's why they decided to bring them back as a 299 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: villain and not the same character. 300 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: So those are my thoughts. 301 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to do this emergency podcast because I did 302 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: an entire Marvel episode coming out on Monday, July twenty ninth, 303 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: and didn't want that to just not make sense that 304 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: I didn't address this whatsoever. So that'll be up tomorrow. 305 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: I'll be giving my mount rushmore of Marvel movies and 306 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: heroes and villains. I'll also give my spoiler free review 307 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: of Deadpool and Wolverine. So until next time, go out 308 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: and watch good movies, and I will talk to you later.