1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit unimpressed of the discipline and the 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: training level of the Russian forces ass had and as 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: horrific as it is, we want to make sure that 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: we do not see an escalation. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Policy and perspective from DC's top name. I sent to 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: the commodity first, who were made very high. Elevated certainly 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: over the next year, but it's probably first half the year. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: You Republicans want to give Democrat Day victory on getting 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: public China on a political basis, The answer is no. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It's 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: looking more like a stalemate in Ukraine, as President Biden 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: warns of a Russian cyber attack now against the US. 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: The same day, confirmation hearings begin for Judge Gitangi Brown 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Jackson's historic nomination to the Supreme Court. Welcome to the 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics. I hope you had a rate weekend. 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: In a decent Monday, we're gonna have the latest for 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: you on the war and as Ukraine asks for a 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: no fly zone and fighter jets, we're gonna talk about 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: controlling the skies and what that mission actually would involve 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: with military analyst and former naval aviator Ward Carroll, who 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: helped enforce the no fly zone over Iraq. Bloomberg Law 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: host Jun Grosso joins us a bit later her take 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: on the Senate Confirmation hearings, Day one, and we'll have 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: the signature panel for you. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis are in place for the hour. Important 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: developments to begin with here around the war in Ukraine 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: as President Biden prepares for his trip to Europe. They've 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: now added Poland. If you weren't paying attention last night, 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: we told you that would likely happen Brussels and Poland 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: end of the week. Today, President Biden issued a warning 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: about a Russian cyber attack against the US. Yeah, not Ukraine. 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: The US issuing a statement that says Russia quote could 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: conduct malicious cyber activity against the United States, including as 35 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: a response to the unprecedented economic costs we've imposed, throwing 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing back on himself. Evolving intelligence, the administration 37 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: has that the Russian government is exploring options for potential 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: cyber attacks. He says the US private sector should harden 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: your cyber defense immediately. But of course if you're just 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: getting that message now, you're probably a little late. Big 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: headline over the weekend the Sunday shows into this Monday 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: was the stalemate. The Russian advance stalled, refocusing its military 43 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: campaign in Ukraine on the east and above all the 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: port city of Mario pold It is just horrifying images 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: over the weekend. The idea here is as things get 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: bogged down, the stalemate is not good. By the way, 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: that might sound like, oh, Ukraine is winning there or something, 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: but no, that means Russia can continue bombing civilian areas 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: with brutality that we've already seen and now hypersonic missiles 50 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: are flying into Ukraine. It means it could last much longer. 51 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: As we heard from the former Defense secretary on this 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: program last week, Mark Esper, say, this is gonna be months, 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: and that's why, of course President Zelinski is asking for 54 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: a no fly zone, something he's not going to get, 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: at least not yet. Then again, the fighter jets, well 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: we're still talking about that too. They're still parked in Poland. 57 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: Interesting to hear from Wesley Clark today, the former NATO 58 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: Supreme Allied Commander. He was on c SPAN. He said, 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: give them the jets. Some people say they're not pliable, 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: some people say they're not in good condition. All that 61 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: may be true, but the Ukrainians have about fifty combat aircraft. 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: They're using him very carefully. You're up against some two 63 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Russian short teams a day. They need help. Uh. And 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: if they want those aircraft and they say they'll help, 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm all in favor of getting them in there. This 66 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: is where we begin with Ward Carroll back with us 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: on the program today. Retired U S. Navy commander flu 68 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: combat missions in the F fourteen. This guy was the 69 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: real thing, the real top gun. He was radar intercept officer, 70 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: which makes him even cooler than Goose. Author host of 71 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: the Word Carol YouTube channel, also helped enforce the fly 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: zone over Iraq. This is the type of person we 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: want to bring you every night here on sound On 74 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: with a first hand experience to let us understand more 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: about what everyone thinks they know a lot about. Ward Carroll. 76 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: It's great to have you back. Thank you for being 77 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: here when you first heard this request for a no 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: fly zone, and even some largely Republican members of Congress 79 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: calling for it. What was your reaction, Um, well, it's 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: unreasonable in this circumstance unless you want to have direct 81 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: confrontation with the Russians, because that's a predicate for the 82 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: creation of a no fly zone. And Joe, as you mentioned, 83 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: I did Operation Southern Watch over southern Iraq twice and 84 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: this was created by desert storm and we had local 85 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: air superiority. We knew where all the SAM sites were 86 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: and so we were able to operate. And the reason 87 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: we had that no fly zone was to make sure 88 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: that the status quo was maintained that was affected by 89 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: desert storm. Also, we were complying with the U N resolution, 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: So it wasn't nation state on nation state. It was 91 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: U N versus a nation state that had been in 92 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: violation um of the UN mandate. And so if we 93 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: were to shoot down during the course of doing Operations 94 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: Southern Watch and Iraqi make it would not be an 95 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: active war, it would be complying with the resolution. So 96 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: in this case, you know a lot of people are 97 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: calling for a no fly zone, and then they call 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: it a humanitarian no fly zone, which is somehow different 99 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: than a regular no fly zone. But the first thing 100 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: we would have to do is do an integrated air 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: defense rollback, which means we're gonna have to take out 102 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: the s fours that are located in sovereign Russia. So 103 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: already you've it's an understatement to say you've up the 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: ANTI just want to slow you down a little bit 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: word so we can follow along that the no fly 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: zone would begin with attacking targets on the ground in 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Russia if you want to do it right, and and 108 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: so you have to eliminate the threat to NATO aircraft 109 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: from the ground, not to mention from the air. And 110 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: then what is your rule? What are the rules of 111 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: engagement associated with incursions by Russian airplanes? You know? Do 112 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: you have to wait to have them fire at you 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: before you can fire back? If they lock you up? 114 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: And you will know this with your warning gear in 115 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: the cockpit, are you authorized at that point to fire? 116 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: So these are all the devil in the details part. 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Not to mention the logistics of executing a no fly zone, 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: because it has so tankers, how many planes, warning aircraft, Um, 119 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of moving parts which we know 120 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: how to do. We can do these well, but the 121 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: outcome is going to be just to cut to the chase, 122 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: a you know, a Russian on American UH interaction which 123 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: will result, my guests, would be a Russian airplane being 124 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: shot down and then what happens? What does that do 125 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: to the calculus here? It was it's a game changer. 126 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: So let me ask you that, said Ward Carol. Would 127 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: the MiG from Poland be a game changer for Ukraine? 128 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: Would that help them so called close the skies? As 129 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: President Zelenski says, So I kind of feel what what 130 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: General Clark said with respect of that. If the Ukrainians 131 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: say it will help, then let's just give it, give 132 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: them to them, right, there's so many Monday morning quarterbacks 133 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: in the mix. You know. President Zelenski is no idiot. 134 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: So if his air force is advising him we could 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: use those airplanes, then let's see to getting them. There's airplanes. Um, 136 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I come down on that. 137 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: I can tell you from the legend of the Ghost 138 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: of Kiev to the other things that they've done against 139 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: overwhelming odds, their air force has shown itself to be 140 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: very capable. There goes to key that this is the 141 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: fighter pilot who was knocking Russians out of the air 142 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: and as in a day by shutdown six airplanes and 143 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: in one day. Um. And so I'm biased to believing 144 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: that that was true, right, freedom versus evil? Um. I 145 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: think that these are a good people capable of that 146 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: kind of that kind of thing. So Ward, what can 147 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: we give them? We've heard him ask. I think it 148 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: was the the S three hundreds he was asking for 149 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: specifically in his address to Congress ground to air missiles 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: or is there is there equipment that we could give 151 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: them or already giving them that that has a similar 152 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: effect to a no flies on? Can they close the 153 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: skies from the ground? Yes, good point show, So yes, 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: the S three hunters from Turkey would be great. We 155 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: should give them Patriot missiles, which are highly capable service 156 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: stair missile because right now the threat is cruise missiles 157 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: and artillery. So if we can't close the skies with airplanes, 158 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: we need to close the skis with ground capability that 159 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: shoots into the sky. So yes, we can certainly do 160 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: more and give them more capability and more robust systems 161 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: to stop this, uh, the siege that they're undergoing here. 162 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: And as you described in the setup, it's getting worse 163 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: and worse. When you consider President Biden heading to Poland 164 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: next week, it just makes us think more of what 165 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: is on that eastern flank or eastern European NATO allies ward, 166 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: are are we already flying missions over those countries to 167 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: create it essentially a no fly zone there? Obviously Russia, 168 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: it would be an active war of Russia across the 169 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: border and when in that direction. But are we already 170 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: presenting strength? Are we showing our posture as a military 171 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: there now? Yes, there are be fifty twos on our 172 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: cap stations, combat air patrol stations. There are aircraft from 173 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: the USS Harry S. Truman that's located in the Adriatic. 174 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: There are air force assets, there are NATO assets. Yes, 175 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: we are definitely giving giving them a very robust presentation 176 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: on the border with Ukraine from our NATO allies more 177 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: than just the troops on the ground. In our remaining 178 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: couple of minutes then ward, give us a sense of 179 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, what it's like to be serving in a 180 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: carrier group as a naval aviator. What are these f 181 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: eight team pilots, what are the helicopter pilots and even 182 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: the crew on the ships preparing for, uh, should there 183 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: there be an air war that breaks out. We have 184 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: no idea where this is going to be in three 185 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: to six months, and I'm sure that the United States 186 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Navy and Marine Corps are busy preparing for whatever it is. Yeah, 187 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: wherever your aircraft carriers go, the air crew are planning 188 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: for strikes in those regions. You know, we never know 189 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: where the hotspot is going to be in a very 190 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: unpredictable world. So right now, my guests and I don't 191 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: have any intelligence to suggest this is actually going on, 192 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: but my guests, based on the fact that I've been there, 193 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: is they are planning strikes on Ukraine and maybe even 194 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: sovereign Russia that would if the bubble goes up, this 195 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: would be the first, uh, you know, opening overture of 196 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: the war. Um or they're also planning if the President 197 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: or EU or whomever NATO says let's go ahead and 198 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: execut to no flies on. They're they're planning how they 199 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: would plug into the joint and combined arena with NATO 200 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: to affect that that would be Superharnot's like you said, 201 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: um growlers, which are jamming airplanes and ore E two Hawkeyes, 202 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: which are the airborne early warning airplanes which would work 203 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: with the A wall actually or force version to create 204 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: design the sky. Fascinating conversation. Ward, we could do an 205 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: hour anytime, and I'm delighted that you were here. Just 206 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: picture him in the backseat of an F fourteen over Iraq. 207 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: If you want to fleets the picture with Ward Carol, 208 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: look for him on YouTube. Will assemble the panel. Next 209 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: on sound on, This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 210 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It 211 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: goes to show you shouldn't always listen to politicians about 212 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: technical matters, in this case a no fly zone. Sure 213 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: you can have principle for or against it, but when 214 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: you listen to Ward Carol just now on Bloomberg Sound On, 215 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: you learn that if we were gonna do it right, 216 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: we'd have to take out all the sam sites, the 217 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: surface to air missile sites over the border in Russia, 218 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: not to mention the attack ships off the coast in 219 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: the Black Sea. We'd have to take them out to 220 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: right if they have missiles that could knock out American 221 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: aircraft over Ukraine. So just put that in the pipe 222 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: for a minute here. That means we're potentially at war 223 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: with Russia before there's anything close to a no fly zone. 224 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: Let's assemble the panel. We'll talk about this and a 225 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: few other things here that we learned today, including this 226 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: warning about a cyber attack. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis 227 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Genie Chanzano are with us. Rick, what's your take on this, 228 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: having heard from Ward Carroll send the MiGs forget the 229 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: no fly zone? Is that it send the megs forget 230 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: the no fly zone, but also send him all the 231 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: Russia stuff that NATO has. I mean, they know how 232 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: to use this stuff. They say, theys three hundreds, essay, 233 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: eights and and and flood the zone. Give him as 234 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: much lethality as you can that they can actually use. 235 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't do any good to send a bunch of 236 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: equipment from the US that they would need a lot 237 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: of time and a lot of effort to understand how 238 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: to operate. Yeah, it's Wesley Clark. We heard from h 239 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: during that conversation a couple of minutes ago. He was 240 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: on c SPAN this morning, the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, 241 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: echoing what you were seeing here, Rick, listen to this. 242 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: I was in favor of not declaring an old fly 243 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: zone necessarily, but put the onus on on the rush rooms. 244 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: That's that is Ukrainian airspace. If they invite us in, 245 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: why shouldn't we go in? If the Russians want to 246 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: confront NATO, that's their problem, not our problem. But we've 247 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: somehow accepted this line of argument that it would be 248 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: our problem if we did something. So we're on the 249 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: one hand defending a rules based international order, but on 250 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: the other hand not following our own legal construct. Is 251 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: he just being a tough guy there, Rick, or is 252 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: he right? No, he's absolutely right. It's just that, you know, 253 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: Russia plays from a different set of rules than we do. 254 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there would be no hesitation on the part 255 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: of Vladimir Putin of launching an aircraft missiles either on 256 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: the sea or from Russia land, UH to knock out 257 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: our planes that fly over Ukraine. And then we've escalated this, 258 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, beyond the no going back zone. So it's 259 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: not just Russia's problem, it's our problem. Exactly what do 260 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: you think, Genie Uh Having had a weekend to let 261 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: all of this distill and listening to these conversations, there's 262 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a bill that comes out of the Senate, 263 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,239 Speaker 1: likely this week that will that will direct potentially new sanctions. 264 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: Do you worry about lawmakers directing more of this type 265 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: of activity, whether it's a no fly zone, send the MiGs. 266 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: Where's your heart on this? You know, I I don't 267 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: worry about them directing the sanctions um although I think 268 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: those can be taken care of at the executive level. 269 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I have had 270 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: a certain challenges with this attempt to sort of circumvent 271 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: the Pentagon, if you will. I think you do have 272 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: to leave it to the experts in terms of specifically 273 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: what should be done on the ground. It's one thing 274 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: for congressmen and women to, you know, say that we 275 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: support the delivery of these MiGs, or we support the 276 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: no fly zone. But you've got to leave it up 277 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: to the experts in the military arena who know what 278 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: it's going to take to execute this. And you know, 279 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges here, you know, listening 280 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: to what Ward was saying, and then what you and 281 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: Rick were just talking about, is that the president is 282 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: not acting unilaterally. He's going over to Europe. He was 283 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: speaking to the leaders today, and the real question on 284 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: my mind is what is what more deliverables can we 285 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: see happening as a collective once they get over there. 286 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: We still haven't gotten a good answer to that. You know, 287 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: more sanctions were running out of sanctions to a certain extent, 288 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: and then you get into this question of humanitarian peacekeeping 289 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: missions like Poland wants. Those are big commitments on the 290 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: part not just of the United States, but Europe specifically. 291 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this prospect of of 292 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: a cyber attack, not against Ukraine, as I said, but 293 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: against the US. We're always concerned about, well, what happens 294 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: if we step a foot into Ukraine. We're talking about 295 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the potential for a Russian attack on the United States 296 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: and New Burgers. The Deputy National Security Advisor for cyber 297 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: showed up at the White House press briefing today to 298 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: be clear, there is no certainty there will be a 299 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: cyber incident on critical infrastructure. So why am I here 300 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: Because this is a call to action and a call 301 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: to responsibility for all of us. At the President's direction, 302 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: the administration has worked extensively over the last year to 303 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: prepare to meet this sort of threat. She says, Genie. 304 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Federal agencies brief more than a hundred companies on the 305 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: elevated threat of cyber attacks last week. Have they done enough? 306 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: It's absolutely important, you know, with several questions come to mind. 307 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: One big question is how does the US respond if, 308 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: indeed there is a cyber attack, whether it's on corporations, 309 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: the private sector, the nonprofit sector, critical infrastructure. Certainly, do 310 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: we consider that an attack worthy of you know, responding 311 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: to and and the other thing I would just say 312 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: is that you know, our critical and infrastructure is is 313 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: infamously under prepared for these kinds of attacks, and we've 314 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: seen that in the last couple of years. And so 315 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: this is a very very scary proposition, although we should underscore. 316 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: She's also said today there is no intelligence there will 317 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: be a cyber attack, but they are setting out this morning. 318 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: What's your take on this, Rick, Is that an act 319 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: of war if we're if we're subject to a cyber 320 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: attack like the one that's being described, let's bring up 321 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: Rick please. Uh. If it's an act of war, it's 322 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: already war with Russia because we have been having attacks 323 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: from Russia, UH to our cyber security systems all over 324 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: the United States. For quite some time, including during this 325 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: period of time. So uh, I think that we have 326 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: to decide what we're what we're prepared to do offensively, 327 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: and will we respond. There's a lot more there. Rick 328 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: and Jeannie stay with us for the hour. We're gonna 329 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: bring in June Grosso coming up, as we have an 330 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: historic confirmation hearing already underway today in Washington. This is 331 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg great right up on the terminal. If you were 332 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: not able to follow day one of confirmation hearings, Judge 333 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: Kaitanji Brown Jackson, did anyone cover this for Remember the 334 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: last several the Trump appointees was wal to wall roadblock 335 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: coverage long form every minute, the horns played, hours of hearings, 336 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: lots of golf voices from anchors. As a senator today 337 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: it was you know, they gabbled at and everybody bailed. 338 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: Of course, the good stuff comes tomorrow. Today again, it 339 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: was a day of listening to Republican senators on the panel, vowing, 340 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: as I read from Greg Storre's Peace, to scrutinize Judge 341 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: Brown's approach towards the Constitution. She spoke last today, if 342 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: I am confirmed, I commit to you that I will 343 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: work productively to support and defend the Constitution and this 344 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: grand experiment of American democracy that has endured over these 345 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: past two hundred and forty six years. Now, a lot 346 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: of questions, as I just mentioned, about judicial philosop if 347 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: we heard this before anyone got in the room today, 348 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Republicans suggesting that, well, she didn't have one, and so 349 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Judge Jackson did get into some broad language, at least 350 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: around the way in which she might rule. I have 351 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: been a judge for nearly a decade now, and I 352 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: take that responsibility and my duty to be independent very seriously. 353 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: I decide cases from a neutral posture. I evaluate the facts, 354 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: and I interpret and apply the law to the facts 355 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: of the case before me without fear or favor, consistent 356 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: with my judicial oath. So take that for what it is. 357 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: After we did hear from a number of members of 358 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: the panel, including Senator Lindsey Graham, former Chair of the 359 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee, that it is a problem if you don't 360 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: have a judicial philosophy. Of course, Lindsey Graham had a 361 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: lot of problems today if you're Hispanic or African American conservative, 362 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: is about your philosophy? Now it's gonna be about the 363 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: historic nature of the pick. It's gonna be about your philosophy. 364 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: The bottom line here is when it is about philosophy, 365 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: when it's somebody of color on our side, it's about 366 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: we're all racist. If we ask hard questions, it's not 367 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: gonna fly with us. We're used to it, but now 368 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: at least I am, so it's not gonna matter a 369 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: bit to any of us. We're gonna ask you what 370 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: we think you need to be asked in Senator Holly, 371 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: you need to ask her about her record as a 372 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: district court judge. You should. I hope you do well, 373 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: and you know he Josh Holly, He well, he did. 374 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: It's very concerned about her record on child pornography cases, 375 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: as telegraphed ahead of today's here. What concerns me, and 376 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: I've been very candid about this, is that in every 377 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: case in each of these seven, Judge Jackson handed down 378 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: a lenient sentence that was below what the federal guidelines 379 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: recommended and below what prosct Puter's requested. And so I 380 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to talk about there and I 381 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: look forward to talking about it. That's gonna start tomorrow 382 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: with the questions they each get fifty minute five zero 383 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: minutes each questioning we'll go into Wednesday. Just imagine what 384 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: June Grosso was thinking as all this took place. Bloomberg 385 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: Law host June Grosso joins us. Now, I was thinking, 386 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: could they take forty minutes away from Josh Holly. Well, okay, 387 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: so you're not a fan, but uh, we did give 388 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: us a bit of a roadmap today, June for what's 389 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: coming right right? And I have to say that when 390 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: Judge Jackson was nominated, I believe I said, well, these 391 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: hearings are going to be a little bit dull because 392 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: she has this long record, and certainly when she was 393 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: up for the d C circuit, they didn't touch any 394 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: of these topics. Nothing was mentioned about child pornographers or 395 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: anything like that. But I was I think I was wrong. 396 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: I hope you don't hold that against me. But it 397 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: looks like they're the Republicans are going to try to 398 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: painter with a broad brush that she's soft on crime. 399 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean today they were talking about I think it 400 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: was Senator Cotton who was talking about the you know, 401 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: Biden administration being soft on crime, and you know this 402 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: is going to be something that we hear. I think 403 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: over and over again. It's as the Republicans asked her 404 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: questions interesting to hear what this from many Republican members, 405 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: what this hearing would not be, and if, by the 406 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: way I could play it with the Democratic members said, 407 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: but I think you can imagine it was about her 408 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: wonderful resume and how well qualified she was for the job. 409 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz expressing probably better than any Republican member of 410 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: the panel. How angry the party still is about Brett Kavanaugh. Listen, 411 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: no one is going to inquire into your teenage dating habits. 412 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: No one is going to ask you, with mock severity, 413 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: do you like beer. But that's not to say this 414 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: hearing should be non substantive and non vigorous. In this hearing, 415 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: this committee has a responsibility to focus on issues, to 416 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: focus on your record, to focus on substance, to do 417 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: our very best to ascertain what kind of justice you 418 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: would be. I had to bring everybody back, by the way, 419 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: because not everyone might maybe not everyone remembers the beer thing. 420 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: Just bear with me, humor me at June Grass. So 421 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: this brings us back Brett Kavanaugh. Dr Ford has described 422 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: you as being intoxicated at a party. Did you consume 423 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: alcohol during your high school years. Yes, we drank beer. Uh, 424 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: my friends and I the boys and girls. Yes we 425 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: drank beer. I liked beer, still like beer. And they're 426 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: still remembering that, June. I know, they totally forgot about 427 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: the confirmation hearings that came in between, which was Amy 428 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: Coney Barrett, and I think those were very sort of serene, 429 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: more above hearings. Yes, So why all of a sudden 430 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: they back to Kavanaugh is my question. When they showed 431 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: what could be done with Amy Coney Barrett, and you know, 432 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: Judge Katangi Jackson deserves the same treatment. So give us 433 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: a sense, June. With the business at hand, what are 434 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: we going to hear about Judge Katanji Brown Jackson's record tomorrow? Well, 435 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: I think that you know, from the Democrats, as you say, 436 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: you're going to hear about her ten years as a 437 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: district court judge and the decisions she handed down that 438 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: she was reversed very rarely. And you're going to hear 439 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: about her years on the Sentence and Commission probably and 440 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: how her recommendations were part of unanimous recommendations from the 441 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Commission and the Republicans approved of those. So I think 442 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: that's what you'll hear from them. On On the other side, 443 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: as you said, you're going to hear about judicial philosophy. 444 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz said he's going to ask about abortion, religious liberties, um, 445 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: free speech, gun rights, and crime. He's not going to 446 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: get an answer to any of those questions. Well, that's right, 447 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: and most actually won't write. I mean, when you start 448 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: asking about specific issues, the modern Supreme Court nominee is 449 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: not going to answer them. I realized that was not 450 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: always the case, but you know what. The other one 451 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: we got a little bit of a preview on June 452 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: was from Mitch McConnell yesterday. They want to ask her 453 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: for her feelings on court stacking. Is that something she 454 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: can answer? She won't answer that either. In fact, she 455 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: hasn't answered it in the past hearing um or at 456 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: least in the past. I'm not sure if it was 457 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: a hearing that they asked her at about it or 458 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: at a conference there No, because you know why, they 459 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: cite Justices Stephen Bryer and the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 460 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: But they said that once they were on the court 461 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: they gave their opinions about court packing, not before they 462 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: got on the court. And if you remember, I mean, 463 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: do you remember back to Justice Neil Gorse, which it 464 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: seems like decades ago, but anyway, actually back to him, 465 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: he refused to say whether Brown v. Board of Education, 466 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: which outlawed segregation, was that that was a good decision 467 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: or bad. You don't get many answers don't know the 468 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: answer to their coach to not answer, right, this is 469 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: the way it goes. Who's the Republican on the Judiciary 470 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: Committee most likely to vote for Jackson? Or is that 471 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: not going to happen to Well? I would have said 472 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham, because he's voted for other nominees and because 473 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: he voted for her before. But he, as you know, 474 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: I was on the show when you mentioned that, he 475 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: came out and tweeted right after she was nominated that 476 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: it was the far left doing this. And he mentioned 477 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: today that he wanted to talk about dark money and 478 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: asked her why these groups are behind her. She's not 479 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: going to answer that either. Well, he he went there 480 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: again today, June. I'm glad that you mentioned this. Listen 481 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: to Lindsay Graham, who of course was prepared to vote 482 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: to confirm someone else on the short list from his state. Right. 483 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: We heard a lot about Judge Childs at that point 484 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: and was preferred as well by a Congressman, Claie Burn, 485 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: which is partly how we got here with the idea 486 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: of having the first black woman on the court. This 487 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: is Lindsey Graham earlier today, Justice Child Judge Charles would 488 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: have gotten sixty plus votes. There have been people in 489 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: my caucus that would have voted for her, even though 490 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: we knew should be a reliable liberal vote, because I 491 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: and Sentner's got would have stepped up. Now we're picked. 492 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: Now we're facing a choice sponsored by the most radical 493 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: elements of the Democratic Party when it comes to how 494 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: to be a judge. They have the most radical view 495 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: of what a judge should do, and you were their choice. 496 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: Imagine sitting there is the nominee hearing a former chair 497 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: of the Judiciary say if they had picked someone else, 498 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: would have gotten sixty votes. Is that actually true, June? 499 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Does anyone think that was real? The math? I don't 500 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: think sixty votes they would have got she. I think 501 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: she would have gotten his vote, and perhaps you could 502 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: have corralled a couple of other sixty votes. I mean, 503 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: I doubt it, but I thought that that was so 504 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable for her to be sitting there. I mean, she 505 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: can't respond to what was done and why they picked her. 506 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: She can't answer those questions. It just seemed really out 507 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: of place. And and I and so all my thoughts 508 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: of oh, this is going to be a very subdued 509 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: hearing when out the window went just when he started, 510 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: which was pretty early on in the in the was 511 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: he was I think the third Republican to speak. You 512 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: write about that. It definitely set the tone. So are 513 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: are we playing into this June or is you know, 514 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: sometimes you get telegraphing like this, you show up, it's 515 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: a snooze fest. Or is this gonna be bare knuckle tomorrow? 516 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: Well I really can't tell. I would have said it 517 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: would be bare knuckle, but Josh Holly already seemed to 518 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: be a little less you know, on the offensive when 519 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: he spoke. Then he was in his tweets where he 520 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: basically said, you know, she was so often on the 521 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: defendants who are child pornographers or whatever he tweeted when 522 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: he started that last week. So maybe they'll it'll be 523 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: a little more subdued. I mean, you can expect the 524 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: regular questions that we're going to get about her opinions 525 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: in the Don McGann case, about you know, her her 526 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: work as a criminal defense attorney and representation of Guantanamo detainees, 527 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: although some Republicans, I think John Kennedy was a Republican 528 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: who said I don't hold it against any lawyer you 529 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: know they represent, and actually Lindsay Graham said that as well. 530 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: So maybe that's not going to be as much of 531 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: a part of this, but the soft on crime thing 532 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a theme and it will be 533 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: very interesting to see how these members get to a June, 534 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: it's great to have you as always. Let's not make 535 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: this the last time we talked this week, because it's 536 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: important stuff. Bloomberg Law host June Grosso. If you ever 537 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: picked a week to listen to June, this would be it. 538 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: And to June's point, we did hear from Josh Holly 539 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: interesting will He was trying to clear he be respectful, 540 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: having been you know, splashed around the headlines over the weekend. 541 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: We knew he was going to go in for that 542 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: line of attack on the child porn cases, but he 543 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: was respectful as he spoke to the nominee. Some have asked, 544 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: why did I raise these questions ahead of the hearing, 545 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: why not wait until the hearing and uh spring them 546 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: on Judge Jackson as it were? And my answer to 547 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: that is very simple. I'm not interested in trapping Judge Jackson. 548 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in trying to play gotcha. I'm interested 549 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: in her answers because I found in our time together 550 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: that she was enormously thoughtful, enormously accomplished, and I suspect 551 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: has a coherent view and explanation and instead of thinking 552 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: way of thinking about this that I look forward to hearing. 553 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: The Fastest Hour in Politics rounds the corner here and 554 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: reassembles the panel with Bloomberg Politics contributed as Jeannie Chance, 555 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: they Know and Rick Davis. As I read on the terminal, 556 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: g OP senators say they will probe Jackson about her 557 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: work as a public defender and her representation of alleged 558 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: terrorists held at the U. S. Naval Base at Quantanamo Bay, Gitmo. 559 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Republicans seeking to use the hearings to question the president's 560 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: commitment to law and order. Isn't that what this is 561 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: all about? Genie? It's everyone knows. I think how this ends. 562 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: Democrats can do this all on their own if they 563 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: want to confirm Judge Jackson, Kamala Harris can take the 564 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: motorcade right down Pennsylvania Avenue and shut the whole thing down. 565 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: But this is creating a case. This is this is 566 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: a much longer term, broader narrative about law and order, 567 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: about being soft on crime, about defund the police. What 568 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: do you think? You know? It is stunning. I was 569 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: looking at the first woman confirmed, Sandra Day O'Connor to nothing, 570 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: and we are looking at the first African American woman. 571 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: To your point, she will be confirmed. It'll likely be 572 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: fifty one to forty nine. I don't know if Rick thinks, 573 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, they'll get one Republican. I've really doubted at 574 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: this point both of them equally wonderfully qualified women. It 575 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: speaks to the times. I mean, starting with Robert Borke, 576 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: we'd see an incredibly contentious Supreme Court hearings. The partisan 577 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: divide has gotten worse, the polarization has gotten worse, and 578 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: of course we're in an election year where people like 579 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: Josh Holly are playing to the cameras. So the litany 580 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: of descriptions he talked about, you know this this, you 581 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: know her being soft on sex offenders, and child predators 582 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: and and you know you just mentioned your her her 583 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: representing alleged terrorists. I mean, she sounds like a horrible person, 584 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: but it's perfect for the commercials if you think about it. 585 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: And that's where that's where we are. I mean, they're 586 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: making mid term election commercials at this point, and they're 587 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: using hearings, which, by the way, the American public deserve 588 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: to hear from her. It's the last time they have to. 589 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: She'll serve for life once she's on their thirty forty 590 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: years as long, and we deserve to have a really 591 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: profoundly important hearing. But we're not going to get it. 592 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna get this political back and forth, getting soundbites 593 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: for commercials. And it's distressing and it is, but it's 594 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: also just that's the game now, right Rick. I mean, 595 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: can can she get a single Republican yes on the committee? 596 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: On the committee? No, I don't think there's anybody on 597 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: the committee that's likely to move over to the other 598 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: side and vote to report her out. And and they 599 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: know they don't have to. She'll still get out, and 600 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: she's gonna get voted on. And I think there's a 601 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: fatalism within the Republican ranks that they're they're not really 602 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: trying to challenge her nomination. She they know she's going 603 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: to pass, and they know she's going to serve. I 604 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: think this is an opportunity to register because of her 605 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: background and her her history on the bench. Uh. Certain. 606 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: I think protests against this administration, especially on crime, which 607 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: is a increasingly important issue, you know, to the American public. 608 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: What's the potential for backlash year rick with the first 609 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: black woman nominated to the court, that they will have 610 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: to comport themselves carefully. Yeah, And I think that they're 611 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: already preparing to do that, right. I mean, they don't 612 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: want to see what happened to Judge Kavanaugh because then 613 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: they lose that hook when they get the next Republican 614 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: up uh to say, look, you know, we we behaved ourselves, um, 615 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: you know with uh with h Judge Jackson, and we 616 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: expect you to do the same next time one of 617 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: our candidates come up. So they want that high ground. 618 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, Senator Holly is expressed, 619 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: as your clip pointed out, the kind of approach. Hey, 620 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: look we've got we're gonna grandstand the issue. We're gonna 621 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: ask you to answer these questions. I mean, look, I 622 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: mean there are there are guidelines for sentencing of child pornography, 623 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: uh for ninety seven months minimum. That Judge Jackson gave 624 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: three months for. That's a legitimate question to ask the judge. Uh. 625 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: And and I don't think he's gonna do it in 626 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: a in a two dramatic way. Although they they all 627 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: played well right exactly what they do. It's gonna be 628 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: interesting to see who plays bad guy here. They'll have 629 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: to be a couple of them. I suppose you call 630 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: it distressing, Genie, and I suspect that it is. But 631 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: the judge isn't gonna answer anything, right, I mean she's 632 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: also been care will be prepared for this. Yeah, And 633 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: that's part of what I think is distressing. Quite frankly, 634 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: it is that all of these nominees, it's not just 635 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: this nominee, it's all of them in the modern era, 636 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: they are they are. Yeah, they're told not to say 637 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: anything specific, whether it's about abortion or anything else. They 638 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: pretend as if they have no views. They haven't been 639 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: living in this world, even though she comes double grad 640 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: from Harvard, so you know, that's that's the way this 641 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: game is played. These senators are going to ask questions 642 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: she's not going to answer. And that's what I mean 643 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: by distressing, because again, we live in a democracy. This 644 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: woman will serve on the court for thirty or forty 645 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: years and we will not have the opportunity to hear 646 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: much substance from her on the critical issues. And to me, 647 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: that is a distressing not about these senators or her, 648 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: but about the way our system has evolved over time, 649 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: and they are quite blanked, frankly incentivized to do exactly 650 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: what they're doing. You both see her being confirmed in 651 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: the end though, yes, Jennie, absolutely fifty one. I think 652 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: she gets fifty one and no Republicans at this point. 653 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: That sounds like you feel the same way, Rick, Yeah, 654 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: and there might be a stray that goes to for her, 655 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: but nothing beyond that. I need to ask you both 656 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: about j Powell. And by the way, we'll have coverage 657 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: of the confirmation hearings for the rest of the week. 658 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: They run through Thursday. But this was a big market 659 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: mover today, as you've been hearing Charlie Pellett discussed the 660 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: FED Chair J Powell speaking here in Washington, not in 661 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: a FED meeting, but at the big name meeting. Mike 662 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: mckeeven came down, this must be important, and man, did 663 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: he drop the bombshell? Are you kidding? Did he not 664 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: just kind of say that we were wrong? Forget transitory. 665 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: It's more than that, you know, the expectation going into 666 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: this year was that we would see basically see inflation 667 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: peaking in the first quarter, then maybe leveling out, and 668 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: then see a lot of progress in the second half. 669 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: That story has already fallen apart to the extent it 670 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: continues to fall apart what my colleagues and I may 671 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: well reach the conclusion that will need to move more quickly, 672 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: and if so, we'll do so. The story is falling apart. Rick. 673 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: People were telling him that a year ago. Does this 674 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: reflect back on the Biden administration or is this a 675 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: FED problem? Oh? I think it's a FED problem. But 676 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: it reflects really poorly on the Biden administration because they've 677 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: been echoing in this whole time exactly, they were echoing 678 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: those same things and never really pulled out. They let 679 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: Pal you know, run lead on this and for him 680 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: to sort of retread that turf, honestly, I mean it 681 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: was shocking to me. But look, he was laying out 682 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: a much more hawkish approach to inflation than he said 683 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: in the past. So I guess he felt compelled to 684 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: relitigate that. But I don't think it does him or 685 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: anybody else any any good. It's certainly good fodder for 686 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: election campaign commercials coming up in this cycle. Yeah, I 687 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: can do the before and after. It's going to be 688 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: remarkable on this one. Genie was so, I mean, look 689 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: forget politicians for a minute. The market was right, the 690 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: market never bought transitory. And now j Powell comes out 691 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: with it. Does Joe Biden ted to say the same thing. 692 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: You know, It's going to be interesting to see how 693 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: they communicate about this. I mean, they went month saying transitory. 694 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, it's you know, they've turned 695 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: it to these hawks. You know. I think Biden's going 696 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: to avoid it as much as possible, try to let 697 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: the FED handle it. And I think that's what Powell 698 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: is signaling at this point. But it certainly is quite 699 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: an abrupt about face, if you will. Yeah, well it's this. 700 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: This is going to set the stage for some interesting 701 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: confirmation hearings for the other open seats on the FED, 702 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: because that is the Biden administration. Those are Joe Biden's 703 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: fingerprints here, Rick. And this is going to change the 704 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: line of questioning, won't it? Uh? Yeah, it should change 705 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: the line of questioning. And I think that, uh, this 706 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: administration has got a lot to come up with when 707 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: it comes to their own plans, uh, to to battle 708 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: inflation and and and to try and move the economy forward, 709 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: which is no easy task now that we have a 710 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: shooting war in Europe. So um, I think this president 711 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: has a lot of pressure on him right now. And 712 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: I think the one domestic pressure that he's got to 713 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: get a plan up in front of the American people 714 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: is is on the economy and on inflation. Well, I 715 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: want if you got a heads up on that speech today. 716 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: I suspect that he did, uh, Jeanie, after deferring to 717 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: the feed, I suppose we're gonna hear a lot more 718 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: about an independent feed. Are we don't ask us called 719 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: j here's his number, that's right, that's right, Stay as 720 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: far away from the Fed, J Powell. Let them handle 721 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: it and move on, because there's not a lot the 722 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: president can do except mess up the communication once again, 723 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: which you know, I hope that they've straightened it out 724 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: at this point. All right, Rick and Genie, great talk. 725 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, I missed these two guys all weekend. It's like, 726 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, got nobody to pull me in off the ledge. Here, well, 727 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: provide the analysis we count on every day women's history. 728 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: Month's time to hear from Ranita Young on this twenty 729 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: one of March. Here she is on this day in 730 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: women's history. In nineteen sixty nine, women from the feminist 731 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: group Red Stockings organized a public hearing entitled Abortion speak Out. 732 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: It was held at the Washington Square Methodist Church in 733 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,959 Speaker 1: New York City's Greenwich Village. At the time, the Radical film. 734 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: This group was furious that hearings about abortion featured only 735 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: male speakers. The debate at the time focused on rape, incest, 736 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: or health of the mother. The group wanted to provide 737 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: women with a platform to speak out, share their experiences 738 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: with illegal abortions, and shift the debate to what they 739 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: believed a woman's right to choose. That's today in Women's History. 740 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm Nita Young, Bloomberg Radio. Nita, thank you and I 741 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us for the fastest hour in politics. 742 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: Thanks to Rick and Jeanie Ward, Carol. Check them out 743 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: on YouTube and hear more of that. If you're an 744 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: airplane geek like I am, always something to learned from 745 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: Ward and June Grosso is going to be worth listening 746 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: to you this week with the confirmation hearings. This is 747 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: why we have Bloomberg Radio on the presets right, We'll 748 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: check markets and traffic on the way. I'll meet you 749 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: back here tomorrow. 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