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Speaker 1: ware with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Thursday, October seventh, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: season seventeen, episode number thirty six. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 1: edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: studios at the Star. Got Nick and Dave here with me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some Cowboys football. We're gonna zero in
Speaker 1: on the Giants defense today versus the Cowboys offense. We'll
Speaker 1: be joined by Bucky Brooks in the second segment um
Speaker 1: and we'll get you guys ready for the game, looking
Speaker 1: at it mainly from the Cowboys offense point of view.
Speaker 1: Let's start first catching up with a quick update from Nick.
Speaker 1: Give me a thirty six, A good thirty six? You
Speaker 1: got thirty six? No, I don't know. Vince all Brittain
Speaker 1: is the only name that ever comes to mind when
Speaker 1: I think of thirty six Okay, do you know him? No,
Speaker 1: I don't know him. He played like safety. He was
Speaker 1: a big guy in the eighties. He wasn't really the
Speaker 1: greatest big guy that was bigger big or big bigger safety. Okay,
Speaker 1: they weren't good in the eighties. But thirty six, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dave. Is there a thirty six you
Speaker 1: can think of? Tony Pollard wore it for like three months,
Speaker 1: about all I got. Did he play in a game
Speaker 1: with that? No, he switched the minute they cut their
Speaker 1: roster down. That's a nice little nugget. But like when
Speaker 1: he his rookie year, I guess that wasn't Zeke's holdout year, right,
Speaker 1: was it? When he was in Hawaii and he was
Speaker 1: doing all it was? Yeah? It was because that because
Speaker 1: Jerry famously was like Zeke wu was he wearing thirty
Speaker 1: six and then he wore thirty six until the regular
Speaker 1: season started, Right. I got a couple for you. There's
Speaker 1: a Michael Black. Michael Black actually remember him? Yeah, everywhere?
Speaker 1: Terek Smith Suday, Okay, that's a good one. Yeah, Quincy Butler, okay, cornerback, Yep,
Speaker 1: we're going deep here. Michael Hamlin Hamlin for a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's good. We'll stick with that. Not a
Speaker 1: lot of good ones. You're not gonna get Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame worthy at thirty six. Now, all right, let's let's
Speaker 1: catch up on some injuries. Zeke Elliott miss practice yesterday
Speaker 1: or at least was partial practice yesterday. What what was this?
Speaker 1: What was the status he didn't practice? What was the
Speaker 1: status in and where is he at this point? He's
Speaker 1: got a sore knee, he's a running back, he carries
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. I think he's fine. I know
Speaker 1: he's fine. Okay, yeah, you know he's fine. I know
Speaker 1: he's fine. You'll play. We do this every week, and
Speaker 1: I just you know, wear and tear management. Some guy
Speaker 1: guys need the practice time and some guys don't. I
Speaker 1: think he'll be okay. He talked the media brought him over.
Speaker 1: If he wasn't fine, they think that's again, like there's
Speaker 1: always context clues for this, and if a guy talks
Speaker 1: to the media after missing practice, he's fine. The same thing.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory was out of practice, joking around watching people working,
Speaker 1: you know, joking with members of the media, watching drills,
Speaker 1: and then he walked back inside. It's like, if you
Speaker 1: were worried about your availability, you'd be in the training room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole practice. All right, Carlos Watchetts, who has missed?
Speaker 1: Now how many? How many weeks? Is he? A good question?
Speaker 1: He got hurt against LA or I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think he played in LA and I don't remember
Speaker 1: some reason. I think it was the first game when
Speaker 1: he got her parent But he's been out quite a while.
Speaker 1: Said some COVID issues too, has he Well he did
Speaker 1: for a while, he got in he yes, Dave, Yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: he wasn't he played a La LA game. He got
Speaker 1: hurt against the charters. Um, so he's on his small wins. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like my memory is not as good as
Speaker 1: it used to be. So like anytime that, anytime it
Speaker 1: serves me correctly, I'm like, all right, still got I'm winning?
Speaker 1: Um yeah, he's he's working his way back. I think
Speaker 1: they're optimistic that he'll be available. So well this week.
Speaker 1: Was that a drop or was that a drop? Okay?
Speaker 1: Would you think Chris was over there just clapping? I
Speaker 1: was definitely Mario Brothers. Yeah right, I just didn't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's going on. There. There's
Speaker 1: a lot going on in there. They're doing a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but I don't know, and maybe it was
Speaker 1: might be another might have been another show, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm playing video games over here. Sorry, it is a drop.
Speaker 1: Carlos was limited yesterday. Being limited on the first day
Speaker 1: of the practice week is usually a good sign coming
Speaker 1: back from an injury, so I feel good about So
Speaker 1: maybe chance he's he plays this week, I would call
Speaker 1: it likely. Okay, good uh, Dorance Armstrong, Donovan Wilson. The
Speaker 1: expectation is they're probably still out, Yes, they're I think
Speaker 1: they're still Donovan Wilson, I'm starting to think you probably
Speaker 1: don't see till after the bye week, which again, groin injury.
Speaker 1: Those are tough, so that makes sense Drance. Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: said Monday, he's probably he's further away, that's Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: said Monday. He was like, we think Carlos will probably
Speaker 1: play this week. Durrance still a little ways away. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and it checks out that. You wonder though, did they
Speaker 1: not did they miss evaluate? But you and their strategy
Speaker 1: could be completely different. But you know, you could put
Speaker 1: these guys on ir if they were going to be
Speaker 1: out three weeks and Donovan Wilson now has been and
Speaker 1: Durrance probably will be as well, So they could have
Speaker 1: done that. I just don't know if that's something that
Speaker 1: they want to do. These guys are going to be
Speaker 1: inactive anyways. You have to have guys inactive. So they've
Speaker 1: also got still can't believe we're saying this. They got
Speaker 1: bodies at safety like they got Yeah, they have a
Speaker 1: large number of guys who can step in right so
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe they just don't feel the need. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's talk a little bit about Lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: Yesterday there was a report that he supposedly is suing
Speaker 1: the NFL with the purposes of trying to get Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is it trying to get
Speaker 1: money back, is it trying to get back on the field.
Speaker 1: And in less than the five games that he's been suspend,
Speaker 1: those things are the same, I mean true. Dave's Dave's
Speaker 1: all over this. So he's our legal is he? No,
Speaker 1: you listen to my radio head this morning, you did
Speaker 1: a good job, legal correspondent. We have that. I guess
Speaker 1: I have to eat one. I have to apologize to him.
Speaker 1: I don't follow Daniel Walack anymore because I don't need to,
Speaker 1: but I guess he's been weighing in on this, and
Speaker 1: it took me down memory lane to hear his name.
Speaker 1: Just thinking back to the Zeke sack. Daniel Walack was
Speaker 1: the reporter that he's a legal he's a lawyer and
Speaker 1: legal reporter who was just a knee deep in the
Speaker 1: Zeke situation and remember all that. Yeah, all right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: he's obviously suspended five games, he's done three already, trying
Speaker 1: to get back for the final two. Um, I think
Speaker 1: the questions, you know, you could say, well why and
Speaker 1: we'll even play and all that. Everything in life, including this,
Speaker 1: comes down to money, and I think that's that's where
Speaker 1: this really is. It's not just about money this year,
Speaker 1: about money next year, which seems to be a theme
Speaker 1: of the week here. But as far as with with Lyell,
Speaker 1: this is my understanding of this, is that he he's
Speaker 1: got guarantees for next year that were avoided because he
Speaker 1: was suspended, and now if he's wrongly suspended, which he
Speaker 1: believes he is, then those not only should he get
Speaker 1: his money back for the games he's missed, but the
Speaker 1: guarantees for next year, should be back in place in
Speaker 1: his contract. That's so even if the five games stayed,
Speaker 1: the point is we are they're still ram I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if he if this wasn't finished being adjudicated
Speaker 1: until after the five games. It's not like it's a
Speaker 1: lost cost. I think for a lot of fans are
Speaker 1: like well by, we know how our legal system moves
Speaker 1: at snail's pace. The likelihood of this getting done before
Speaker 1: these five games up too small. But what you're saying
Speaker 1: is there are bigger ramifications that maybe he can recoup
Speaker 1: some of that money and he can keep his contract
Speaker 1: intact for next That's what That's my understanding of it.
Speaker 1: I again, I mean thank you because you said I'm
Speaker 1: on top of it. I think you've got a better
Speaker 1: understanding of it than I do. But obviously you can't
Speaker 1: play the game. And Terren Steele's played fine, and if
Speaker 1: he were, you know, if he's cleared tomorrow, I don't
Speaker 1: think he plays you know, I think they're fine with
Speaker 1: what they've got with Terren Steele. But also, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how in shape he's been. The good
Speaker 1: thing is that he has been in the building now
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. He has been here, he's been
Speaker 1: able to work out, he can go in meetings, so
Speaker 1: he should be somewhat in football shape at least maybe
Speaker 1: to be a backup. I still I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: happen this week, but who knows. Maybe, Well, we've seen
Speaker 1: this song and dance before, not only which you're right.
Speaker 1: Obviously the legal system moves into snail's pace in most cases,
Speaker 1: but they found a way to keep making rulings every
Speaker 1: five to ten days with Zeke, so did True. Who knows.
Speaker 1: It's something to keep an eye on. I don't think
Speaker 1: he'll be available against the Giants either way, but I
Speaker 1: don't blame him for trying to get his money back.
Speaker 1: Be back on the field. Lash played this Saturday with
Speaker 1: time six thirty pm. That'll be something to put that
Speaker 1: on me. Or it might be it might be about
Speaker 1: like a noon or something like that. Yeah, it might
Speaker 1: be about noon on Saturday. It'll be it'll be something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, judges don't work on weekends, do they do what?
Speaker 1: Judges don't work on weekends? Do that they shouldn't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially not during the LSU Joe judge works on Sunday? True,
Speaker 1: does he? Sorry? I don't. Yes, he does, he does.
Speaker 1: Let's don't go down that road. Yes, he'll be here Sunday.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this question. Let's assume for
Speaker 1: a second this actually works out for a lile and
Speaker 1: he is made available and they reverse this thing on Saturday. Um,
Speaker 1: do you think if you're the Cowboys, with what you've
Speaker 1: seen from Terrence Still, do you throw him right in
Speaker 1: or do you say, hey, we've been practicing all week,
Speaker 1: we stick with Terrence still on Saturday. App No, No,
Speaker 1: that's not that's insane. No, you're not gonna throw a
Speaker 1: guy who's been out for almost a month. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, let's assume it's it's today,
Speaker 1: it's Thursday. I don't think so okay, especially with how
Speaker 1: well Terrence has been playing. I don't think he he
Speaker 1: comes in and starts as he could he be a
Speaker 1: swing tackle at all or this week this week? Okay? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe could be the swing tackle this week
Speaker 1: in in in some hypothetical if he were cleared today,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be active on Sunday. Maybe not as
Speaker 1: a fifty sixty seventy snap starter, but I think you
Speaker 1: get him in uniform got a got a clear roster spot.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not on the roster right now, so
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get a spotform. But I think
Speaker 1: they do. They've done a nice job with their roster,
Speaker 1: Like they're not sitting at fifty three. They they've had
Speaker 1: a spot or two open, it seems like for the
Speaker 1: last three or four weeks. So it's a different world
Speaker 1: we're in right now with with how they manage the roster.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a big problem. But
Speaker 1: I think they went through a couple like with an
Speaker 1: Eye and Neil on COVID, they went through at least
Speaker 1: a week or two where they had like fifty guys
Speaker 1: on the roy they don't, And it's it's it's just
Speaker 1: way different because you can elevate guys on game day
Speaker 1: from the practice squad. I mean if you think about it,
Speaker 1: and I know it made a lot more sense last
Speaker 1: year with how intense the protocols were. But like remember
Speaker 1: in the old days, and by the old days, I
Speaker 1: mean two years ago, right way back, it used to
Speaker 1: be a weekly thing to be like, well they a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle got hurt on Sunday, So they're working like
Speaker 1: three guys out on Tuesday, Like I haven't really been
Speaker 1: seeing that A because you're different. You keep extra bodies
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and that's why, and the protocols
Speaker 1: make it more difficult to get people in the building.
Speaker 1: So you just don't even bother with that. And you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just we'll make those decisions on Sunday morning because we can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen when like la
Speaker 1: Sean McEwan comes back. I mean they've been kind of
Speaker 1: moving Jeremy Sprinkle up down, up down, finding ways elevate him. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's a COVID replacement. They've got ways to do it.
Speaker 1: But when mquan comes back, they probably aren't going to
Speaker 1: do that with him, just keep putting him on practice
Speaker 1: squad and all that. So they are going to have
Speaker 1: to figure out a spot there, keep three tight ends
Speaker 1: all the time when he comes back. I mean this
Speaker 1: high ankles brain now, I mean it was the Cardinals
Speaker 1: game in preseason. Yeah, and I mean I know high
Speaker 1: ankles brain, but dang, well, you know that's the thing,
Speaker 1: the high ankle sprain, Like it can go like you've
Speaker 1: seen this happen before. Guy gets a high ankle spraining.
Speaker 1: He's out a pretty significant amount of time for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's probably it's about it's almost as equivalent as
Speaker 1: breaking it a bone. I mean really in some way
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard the trainers say, in some ways
Speaker 1: it's better if they do break the bone because it bones,
Speaker 1: he'll recover or go some of these tendons like that,
Speaker 1: strain like that. You never know. Wow. The one I sorry,
Speaker 1: the one I think about all the time is I
Speaker 1: looked Randy. Randy did a high ankle and the season
Speaker 1: opener of his first year and he wasn't really back
Speaker 1: until after Halloween. Brilliant. Yeah, yeah, that's a long time,
Speaker 1: all right. Speaking of managing the roster, Cowboys obviously cut
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith back on Tuesday. Today we hear news that
Speaker 1: he has signed with the Green Bay Packers. You guys
Speaker 1: are all surprised that it happened so quickly that another
Speaker 1: team picked him up, or is this kind of what
Speaker 1: you expected when he got cut, that he'd get picked
Speaker 1: up pretty quick? And I would expect him, you know,
Speaker 1: to get picked up. Um, he's in football shape, he's
Speaker 1: ready to go, and you know, teams need help. I
Speaker 1: don't really know their situation. They lose guys or I
Speaker 1: know they're banged up, but I'm not their three four
Speaker 1: defense I believe, so yeah, yeah they are. Man, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what you said yesterday. You thought he should
Speaker 1: be a good inside just play on rundowns on as
Speaker 1: an inside backer. You know, I remembered you saying that,
Speaker 1: and I'll talking to somebody else yesterday and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, at first, I agreed with your thought, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, that means he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: get off of guards. And that's the one thing I
Speaker 1: don't think he does very well is get off blocks.
Speaker 1: Is he a better four three? What does he do well?
Speaker 1: And like, I mean, that's I don't want to be mean.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean either, But he got
Speaker 1: he they cut, They took a eight million dollar loss
Speaker 1: because they didn't want him on the team anymore. And
Speaker 1: that's I'm not I'm not trying to be mean, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fascinated to see how this goes. Like because
Speaker 1: if I were I'd look at the tape of Jalen
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, we gotta have a very
Speaker 1: specific plan of what we're going to do. With this guy,
Speaker 1: and they may and what they may, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what would be. No, I do know
Speaker 1: the answer. I mean, if Green Bay gets him playing great,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an amazing story and also embarrassing for
Speaker 1: the cowboys, Like if they get him playing like a stud,
Speaker 1: that'll be rough rough times here um or on the
Speaker 1: flip side of that, like it's easy for me to
Speaker 1: imagine him quietly letting him go in three or four
Speaker 1: weeks because they're like, ooh, you know what this is.
Speaker 1: I go with me on this one. Okay, I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, but to breaking down everyone's like why why now?
Speaker 1: And all this. I'm gonna try to put this in
Speaker 1: our terms, in like on our level for money and
Speaker 1: all that, you buy one of those subscriptions on like
Speaker 1: you know, oh new streaming device a month or whatever,
Speaker 1: like oh, I want to watch this. It's like paramount
Speaker 1: plus or whatever it is, and you get it and
Speaker 1: you watch it. You know, like this kind of sucks
Speaker 1: and you're like I already paid for it for the month,
Speaker 1: but like this sucks, Like you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just go ahead and can this because if I don't
Speaker 1: cancel this now that's gonna hit me in the next
Speaker 1: month and next month that it could go up and
Speaker 1: all that. So yeah, I already paid for it, but
Speaker 1: I'm just canceling because I don't like it, and I
Speaker 1: don't pay me any more billing for it because I
Speaker 1: could forget and all that. That's what I kind of
Speaker 1: think in our turn. What do you think of my analogy? Analogy?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I like that. I think maybe Todd was just upstairs, like, man,
Speaker 1: we might forget to cut him next year. You might
Speaker 1: forget to cut out what I'm saying. You paid for it,
Speaker 1: but let's just get it out of you. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's actually a pretty decent analogy, pretty decent down I'm
Speaker 1: fifty fifty on though, something that was pretty good. That
Speaker 1: one I can ride with. Okay, we're gonna take our
Speaker 1: first our first break. When we come back, we'll be
Speaker 1: joined by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network Network. We will
Speaker 1: talk about the Giants defense versus the Cowboys offense, and
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Speaker 1: time to talk a little Giants versus Cowboys, which today
Speaker 1: we're focusing on the Giants defense versus the Cowboys offense.
Speaker 1: We got Bucky Brooks of NFL Network joining us, and Bucky,
Speaker 1: let's start with I don't know that this is a
Speaker 1: team that fans Cowboys fans have really watched a lot
Speaker 1: because they are one of the bottom teams from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of records. So just give us a kind of
Speaker 1: a general overview of what this defense does best. In
Speaker 1: what they do, what's the worst thing that they do.
Speaker 1: Patrick Graham does a really good job of mixing things up.
Speaker 1: It's a very complex defense, really hard to learn, and
Speaker 1: so what they've done is they've got a collection of
Speaker 1: really smart, tough, high motor football players that play well together.
Speaker 1: This is a team defense, not one that is loaded
Speaker 1: with stars. But when they're all connected and playing well,
Speaker 1: they are very challenging to deal with. Leonard Williams kind
Speaker 1: of starts them at the line of scrimmage. They do
Speaker 1: a good job of kind of getting after the run
Speaker 1: and putting you in bad situations and then trying to
Speaker 1: get after it. But Leonard Williams is the guy that
Speaker 1: kind of makes it go. At the point of attack.
Speaker 1: They lost a guy who was the main tackler. That
Speaker 1: was Blake Martinez. He tore his ACL. So right now
Speaker 1: they're kind of struggling trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: make it, how to make your work. Obviously, the areas
Speaker 1: where they're vulnerable, where they can be attacked. I think
Speaker 1: their secondary has nice athletes. I don't know if those
Speaker 1: guys are great cover players. James Bradberry is not playing
Speaker 1: to the same level that he played at last year,
Speaker 1: but he's a really good player. Or Derry Jackson has
Speaker 1: always been up and down throughout his career, and so
Speaker 1: those guys are vulnerable on the outside. But on any
Speaker 1: given Sunday, they have played well. They played pretty well
Speaker 1: last week against the Saints Bucky. Obviously, the news here
Speaker 1: is Jalen Smith signing with the Packers. Would he had
Speaker 1: been a good fit for the Giants. I mean, we
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned it the other day, and do you
Speaker 1: like us fit with the Packers? Look, man, I think
Speaker 1: what happens is a lot of times when you're around
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, you're a little too close to the flame.
Speaker 1: And so all of the bad plays that Jim and
Speaker 1: Smith made over his five or six years there, they
Speaker 1: kind of hang in the balance, and so you can't
Speaker 1: appreciate maybe some of the good that he does. What
Speaker 1: happens is people will go back to the reports on
Speaker 1: who he was when he was coming out of Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: and even though the injuries and those things, they want
Speaker 1: to kick the tires because for a guy who was
Speaker 1: at one point raided a top five player in the draft,
Speaker 1: you just kind of want to see what has left
Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers, a team that has traditionally
Speaker 1: done that, going back to Ron Wolf in those days,
Speaker 1: they standard protocol, bring him in, see what he has,
Speaker 1: Does he have something, If he has anything, what can
Speaker 1: we do to best utilize the skill set? He is
Speaker 1: going to a spot that should allow him to play
Speaker 1: to his best. He'll play inside, He'll play on rundowns.
Speaker 1: Joe Berry also has a relationship with Robbie and ellis
Speaker 1: like there's some intil that has been shared, so they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the best way to use them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't expect him be a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl playing Green Bay, but I certainly expect them to
Speaker 1: be a solid player for them in their defense. So
Speaker 1: please obviously correct me if I'm wrong, but just go
Speaker 1: mainly going off reputation and what I know of them
Speaker 1: from previously. This looks like the best collection of talent
Speaker 1: in the secondary that the Cowboys have played so far
Speaker 1: this year. Talk about James brad Berry they added to
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson, Ryan Jabrill, Peppers, Xavier McKinney. How is that
Speaker 1: accurate and specifically, how is Jackson kind of fitting in
Speaker 1: with what they do in the secondary. I mean they're
Speaker 1: really talented. I mean you rode it off a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys that are first and second round picks that
Speaker 1: are in the back end, really smart, really tough. When
Speaker 1: they played well together connect you don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of blown coverages, and so they understand what it is
Speaker 1: that they want to do. When I look at them, though,
Speaker 1: I think from a plane perspective, James Bradbury is the
Speaker 1: number one player in that second year. He's the best
Speaker 1: player that they have. He is one that has been
Speaker 1: viewed as a Pro Bowl. Games played at a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl caliber level. He's done some really good things with him.
Speaker 1: Derry Jackson is the one that is vulnerable. I would
Speaker 1: say he's better athlete and football player, a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of talent, but he's never necessarily put it together the
Speaker 1: way that you would think it would come together. Zavian
Speaker 1: McKinney is a good player coming out of Alabama. He
Speaker 1: had been hurt, gets back in the lineup, and Jabia
Speaker 1: Peppers is a guy that they kind of move around
Speaker 1: and do a bunch of things, so some weeks he
Speaker 1: plays a lot all the weeks. He's not another guy
Speaker 1: that's probably better athlete than defender, but when those guys
Speaker 1: are played in the right game plan, they can create
Speaker 1: problems and logan Ryan is kind of the glue that
Speaker 1: keeps it all together. So a lot of good players.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have any great players, but
Speaker 1: playing team defense, they sometimes they can look better than
Speaker 1: they appear individually. Going on with that thought a little bit,
Speaker 1: they gave up The Giants defense gave a four hundred
Speaker 1: yards in the horny yard plus in three of the
Speaker 1: four games they've played so so far. They also allowed
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five yards rushing on two of
Speaker 1: the four games. Is this a game like we've seen
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks where Dallas you think, focuses
Speaker 1: on at least early running the ball, establishing the run
Speaker 1: and really pushing them around because it looks like they
Speaker 1: have been vulnerable at times to other teams running games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is really dealer's choice. If you're Kelling Moore,
Speaker 1: do you want to gut them with the ground game
Speaker 1: or do you want to kind of jump out on
Speaker 1: them and throw it all over the yards Sometimes the
Speaker 1: last two weeks has been all about the ground game,
Speaker 1: So you know, in the Giants meeting room has been hey,
Speaker 1: we got to stop the room, we can't let ze
Speaker 1: can Tony probably get going. Well, maybe they flipped the
Speaker 1: script and they come out throwing, try and jump up.
Speaker 1: Put a fourteen spot on them so then they can
Speaker 1: play comfortably and also put an offense that has struggled
Speaker 1: the Giants offense, put them behind the eight ball, and
Speaker 1: then you dictate the term. So I mean, when I'm
Speaker 1: talking about it being dealer's choice, Kelly Moore is sitting
Speaker 1: at the table trying to figure out, I don't want
Speaker 1: to play this. How do you want to go about it,
Speaker 1: But I think this could be a time where we
Speaker 1: see them come out and throw it all over the
Speaker 1: yard early to set the tone, see if they can
Speaker 1: jump out to a two score lead. Then you begin
Speaker 1: to see Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard do that, throw
Speaker 1: it early and then run it out late. Bucky in
Speaker 1: your five bucks article this week, you you know Dak
Speaker 1: Obviously he's a three letter word. You put another three
Speaker 1: letters next to his name as a as a contender
Speaker 1: for MVP. It's early, but you said he's got to
Speaker 1: be in the in them, you know in the conversation. Now,
Speaker 1: why why do you say that? Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: think I think if you take the stat sheet off
Speaker 1: of you, look, he's he's third and touchdown passes. Um,
Speaker 1: they're playing at a crazy level. I think he's second
Speaker 1: in completion percentage. The team is absolutely rolling the averaging
Speaker 1: over thirty points a game. Um. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: intrigue and attention that is going on this team. And
Speaker 1: then when you begin to look at how they fit
Speaker 1: in the end of seeing how they could play and
Speaker 1: run over the NFC East, you're talking about a team
Speaker 1: that could have I mean high double did you wins
Speaker 1: and sitting pretty with the one or two seats. If
Speaker 1: they continue to play the way that they're playing, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be in the conversation. And I think the appreciation
Speaker 1: for Dak now it is finally to the level that
Speaker 1: people that have really been in his corner are seeing.
Speaker 1: Like we tried to tell you this for the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, the guy's a really good player, But
Speaker 1: now I think people have a great appreciation for the
Speaker 1: management skills, the playmaking when necessary, and just a total
Speaker 1: package that he presents because this is the best football
Speaker 1: that he's played in his career. And if you go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning of twenty twenty, he has played
Speaker 1: at a really high level. He just didn't have the
Speaker 1: wins to justify some of the verbal bouquets that you
Speaker 1: want to throw at the speed for playing so well.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna clip that out and post it on social media. Buds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just the whole thing really plus music to my heirs,
Speaker 1: it's a good stuff. Buck I. Obviously those of us
Speaker 1: US draft nerds, we know he's OJULARI great player coming
Speaker 1: out of Georgia. He and I what I was originally
Speaker 1: going to ask you before I looked at what they
Speaker 1: were doing, is like, it doesn't seem like the Giants
Speaker 1: really have an edge that worries you. But I do
Speaker 1: see that he's leading the team in sacks with three
Speaker 1: already very impressive. But what do those sacks look like?
Speaker 1: I mean, is he cleaning up what other people are
Speaker 1: doing or is he already a badass? No? I mean
Speaker 1: I think he's the same player that he was at Georgia.
Speaker 1: Like he's a high motor, very athletic and explosive athlete
Speaker 1: coming off the edge. They've done some things that allow
Speaker 1: him to get free off the edge. Some of those
Speaker 1: are easy gimmes. Some of those he's just out working
Speaker 1: and blowing past people. He was a problem. He was
Speaker 1: a problem at Georgia, and if you get him in
Speaker 1: his wheelhouse where he can just kind of rear back
Speaker 1: and come off the edge like as a track meet,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem. I think the one thing
Speaker 1: that you have to do when you're the cowboy, you
Speaker 1: just gotta be mindful of where he is. And then
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith very early he has to put his paws
Speaker 1: in his chest and kind of slowing down. I think
Speaker 1: that's the equalize, you gotta hit him with a couple
Speaker 1: of body blows to slow him down, but if you
Speaker 1: let him run around. He's very similar to me to
Speaker 1: Brian Burns from the Carolina Panthers. Brian Burns had walked
Speaker 1: into a few sacks early. Brian Burns is an athlete
Speaker 1: that man, if you're if you're not on it, he'll
Speaker 1: jump the snap and he'll beat around the corner. And
Speaker 1: so playing the Panthers a week earlier, ships at the
Speaker 1: table so they understand exactly what they're dealing without the edge,
Speaker 1: because I think they're they're very similar players in terms
Speaker 1: of using their speed and quickness to get sacks. You
Speaker 1: talked about Blake Martinez a little earlier in the fact
Speaker 1: that he was out, Um, what what what does he provide?
Speaker 1: What is this game like? Is he a guy that
Speaker 1: they use in pass coverage? They do they use him
Speaker 1: to blitz some and who is going to take over
Speaker 1: that role? And how how much of a delta is
Speaker 1: it between Blake Martinez and that next guy that's up.
Speaker 1: You know, they've been doing the back committee like in
Speaker 1: terms of back of him up. Guys have been kind
Speaker 1: of rolling in and out. The thing about Blake Martinez.
Speaker 1: That's so good. Uh, he's a high IQ tackling machine.
Speaker 1: Sessed the lineup, he's a track cop, communicates the signals,
Speaker 1: gets everybody on the right page. But then from tackle
Speaker 1: to tackle, anything and everything he's eating up. And so
Speaker 1: the way the Giants have when you really look at
Speaker 1: their front, they're not really playing with defensive ends. They're
Speaker 1: almost playing with three defensive tackles and you can say
Speaker 1: almost three nose tackles. Right. They're really big upfront. Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams is the lightest one or two hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: one pounds, so they're big. The command double teams, there
Speaker 1: a lot of their guys to run and chase and
Speaker 1: scrape and do all those other things, and so there's
Speaker 1: a situation where they can do it where they get
Speaker 1: hurt is. I don't think they have enough star power
Speaker 1: at the second level Championship defenses. You need to have
Speaker 1: at least one, maybe two second level defenders that can
Speaker 1: make plays, and that's where they're missing. They're missing playmaking
Speaker 1: at the second level. Got it all right? So real
Speaker 1: quick before we let you go, we need to know
Speaker 1: a prediction what he thinks going to happen. Sunday at
Speaker 1: three twenty five. All Right, it's another maturity game. We
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this last week. This is one
Speaker 1: of can the Cowboys now that everyone is celebrating them,
Speaker 1: can they take care of business? They're a better team.
Speaker 1: These games are always kind of tight, but this is
Speaker 1: one aspect the Cowboys to knock him out the box.
Speaker 1: If they are what they want to be, meaning a
Speaker 1: real contender, they need to be able to take care
Speaker 1: of business and seld this one up because the Giants
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of weapons to threaten them, so
Speaker 1: this is one they need to go in and take
Speaker 1: care of business right from the game. If they're mature enough,
Speaker 1: we'll see them jump on them early. And this should
Speaker 1: be one where it's kind of easy watching on Sunday.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, appreciate you giving us your insight, Bucky.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back next week. Get ready for the
Speaker 1: game against the New England Patriots. So we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a final break, we'll come back. We got some questions
Speaker 1: for these guys. We're gonna talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about this Dallas offense and the matchup with the New
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Speaker 1: s WBC Morty Studios at the Star. We got a
Speaker 1: little bit of time here left, so let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about this Dallas offense. I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: guys this question, and this is kind of a it's
Speaker 1: more of a like there is no wrong answer here.
Speaker 1: I just want to get your opinions. If let's assume
Speaker 1: for a second that you were a defensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: an upcoming opponent. Let's say defensive coordinator for Dallas, I mean,
Speaker 1: for it for New York, which would you prefer? Would
Speaker 1: you prefer doctors for fifty plus times against you, but
Speaker 1: you limit the rushing attack or you drop more into
Speaker 1: coverage or blitz to limit Dak with the possibility of
Speaker 1: getting gashed in the run. Which way would you go
Speaker 1: if you were defensive coordinator facing the Cowboys? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm mister analytics and pass, pass, pass,
Speaker 1: that's the way to win. But if you're telling me
Speaker 1: that those are my two options, I think more passing
Speaker 1: attempts gives you more opportunity to make plays on the ball,
Speaker 1: more chances for ceedee Lamb dropping a ball over the
Speaker 1: middle and having it turn into a pick Dak making
Speaker 1: a bad read, Not that I think that he would,
Speaker 1: but it's more, you know, the more throws, the more
Speaker 1: the balls in the air, the more variance there is.
Speaker 1: I guess whereas I mean, if you just if you
Speaker 1: can't stop the run, good luck at any level of football. Really,
Speaker 1: so I get, I mean, it's kind of hypocritical on
Speaker 1: my part because of how much I stressed the passing game,
Speaker 1: But I would rather take my chances making a play
Speaker 1: against the guy throwing fifty times, just being like what
Speaker 1: happened to the Panthers last week, Like this guy is
Speaker 1: getting eight yards per carry in there's just nothing we
Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, I agree. I think that teams are
Speaker 1: still you know, you have to stop the run. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that Zeke is you know now, that is
Speaker 1: still the number one weapon and Dak and all that,
Speaker 1: you know, because his rookie year, their rookie years, we
Speaker 1: were like, is it Dak or is it Zeke or
Speaker 1: is it you know? And I think it was probably
Speaker 1: Zeke more than anything, but you know, and it's and
Speaker 1: it's shifted, but still the run game because the run
Speaker 1: game makes Dack more dangerous, makes any quarterback more dangerous.
Speaker 1: If you can't stop the run, then the play acts
Speaker 1: and just opens up for everything. And so I think
Speaker 1: it's still the run, but I think the Dak and
Speaker 1: the way he's utilizing the tight ends. And I just
Speaker 1: can't stress this enough because it's so important and not
Speaker 1: every team's had it here, not every team's has it
Speaker 1: in the league. It's just right now, we don't see
Speaker 1: any issues with these guys about about not getting the
Speaker 1: ball we don't see it at a Cooper, we don't
Speaker 1: see it at a CD. We don't see it that
Speaker 1: at a Zeke and Pollard. We don't see it anywhere.
Speaker 1: And I just had a function of winning though. Two. Yes,
Speaker 1: if they start losing now, it becomes more of a
Speaker 1: challenge to keep everybody on the same page. I think so,
Speaker 1: because the media will definitely and it's happening now. I mean,
Speaker 1: I did a show last week it's like, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with CD? Well, we had we actually had a question.
Speaker 1: I came through on Twitter from your dad, your dad
Speaker 1: av Alva, Rodd Alvarez. That's what I thought. I was like,
Speaker 1: he's definitely My dad is definitely watching and critiquing and
Speaker 1: wants to know what number I'm gonna pick for the
Speaker 1: number thirty six this week and tell him it. Feel
Speaker 1: free to chime in if he has he wants to
Speaker 1: throw up. He brings it back a little bit further though,
Speaker 1: you know, but he was asking the same question. He
Speaker 1: was saying, when does CD get more involved? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously he's an explosive player. He's a guy that that
Speaker 1: you don't really want to waste his talent. But as
Speaker 1: you said, like right, now, the way the offense is,
Speaker 1: it's kind of multiple and they can do a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. Are you guys at all wondering like,
Speaker 1: is there a point when they're really going to have
Speaker 1: to try to get him more involved? You just keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. Why is this town being wasted?
Speaker 1: Defenses have to account for it, you don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: they focus on taking that away. They know what he
Speaker 1: wouldn't do when they's on tape, when they stop letting
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz have walked in touchdowns, When when they're finally
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know what, we gotta watch these guys,
Speaker 1: because these guys are gonna catch it. When that starts
Speaker 1: to be a problem, you know. I mean it happened
Speaker 1: back way back, like two thousand and six, seven eight,
Speaker 1: when TiO played. It seemed like it was first half
Speaker 1: was one of them and the other half was Witten.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be like Witt and Witt and
Speaker 1: Witten and they're like, okay, god stop this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and then to goes for sixty yards or vice versa.
Speaker 1: When you have weapons like that and they have Cooper,
Speaker 1: they have the running game, they have all that. But
Speaker 1: right now they are aggressively taking what they give them,
Speaker 1: and what they're giving them is the tight ends. When
Speaker 1: that stops and then it just has to be these
Speaker 1: man demanded, then CD's gonna win a lot more. Which
Speaker 1: also miss me, what what CD do? Okay? He had
Speaker 1: the I mean he dropped the ball over the middle
Speaker 1: that led to a pick against Tampa's really the only
Speaker 1: true miss que I can think of from him. He
Speaker 1: would He did not factor largely against Carolina before that.
Speaker 1: Three for sixty six, eight for eighty one, seven for
Speaker 1: one oh four and a touchdown. What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Eight he led the team against lay eight for eighty one.
Speaker 1: Can't think of it, honestly, all we're talking about his
Speaker 1: last which is good in a game, in a game
Speaker 1: where Dak didn't throw a touchdown, like he fueled the
Speaker 1: passing game more than anybody in that game. You can't
Speaker 1: the Panthers game. They ran for two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five yards. That's it. If you're upset about CD's role
Speaker 1: to this point, you're just a fantasy owner. And I
Speaker 1: don't care about your I don't care, and I like
Speaker 1: we we talked him up and all through training camp,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel bad about that, Like, through a month,
Speaker 1: he's been pretty damn good. It doesn't he's not taken
Speaker 1: over the league. You know, I my eyes popped out
Speaker 1: of my head today when I saw that Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: has five hundred yards already through four weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: But he's gotten me a few times. The Niners don't
Speaker 1: have as many weapons as the Cowboys too. I just
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're mad about it, you're I
Speaker 1: just assume you're a fantasy owner, And I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: I think I've said for years at this point, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be leaning on the Cowboys in fantasy football at
Speaker 1: all if you're smart. They just they're too diverse. Well,
Speaker 1: it just depends on who you're Like, dak is okay,
Speaker 1: Zeke is a pretty good pick, but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: looks like a pretty good pick right now. But people
Speaker 1: were pissed at him after week one and two. They're
Speaker 1: gonna his numbers are pretty good most of those weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had pretty good numbers most so first
Speaker 1: game Week one. He was never since then, Like even
Speaker 1: even who probably took him off but can't cut list.
Speaker 1: After the first week, it was like they still do that.
Speaker 1: They can't get you can't cut these guys. There's not
Speaker 1: much in the way of sure things with this offense.
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing. It's a great thing what
Speaker 1: they give you. I just is it a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I got some energy today, man, which is
Speaker 1: when he actually made you mad, because maybe I'm I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like I was worried my energy was
Speaker 1: low because my back is killing me. So I'm like
Speaker 1: trying to I'm trying to fight through it. So I'm glad.
Speaker 1: It's I'm glad nobody noticed by yourself. Get a spotter
Speaker 1: next time. I don't know whatever you're not, you're not,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, but just run the show. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: I got one more guys before we end up Geo Molina,
Speaker 1: He asked, the Giants are another team with big and
Speaker 1: good defensive tackles. Is this another game where Poloit shines
Speaker 1: on the edges? Ooh, I love that question because probably
Speaker 1: if you're just looking down their roster at like the
Speaker 1: you know who, who are the badasses? Leonard Williams for sure,
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence for sure. Those are guys. They're probably more
Speaker 1: likely to be inside the tackle box. Uh. The thing
Speaker 1: that gives me pause is, especially now that Martinez is hurt,
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of any of their linebackers. So if
Speaker 1: the line can handle the front, I think you well,
Speaker 1: not only that, but I think I like them in
Speaker 1: the second level as well. Like if the line can
Speaker 1: block up the front, I like Zeke or Pollard against
Speaker 1: these linebackers. So but I love what you're saying. And again,
Speaker 1: Azizo Jalari is a he's a tweener, he's a speed guy.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you can bully him on the outside
Speaker 1: in the run game. I think you do have to
Speaker 1: worry about him in the past game. Same thing really
Speaker 1: with Lorenzo Carter, same type of deal, kind of not
Speaker 1: you know, tweener guy. So yeah, I think take that.
Speaker 1: Take that to the coaches. Sorry what was his name?
Speaker 1: And Geo Molino Geo take Yeah, we'll take that to
Speaker 1: the coaches. Good suggestion. All right, appreciate you guys joining us.
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