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Speaker 1: Right, because he gets the most out of you, is

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, why would you? Why would you in this

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Speaker 2: Why would he leave? Why Miami excuse I wouldn't leave either.

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Speaker 2: It's just, man, just there's there's a Belichick joke in there. Somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Just I don't know you that well, but I've gotten

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the things is he's authentically

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Speaker 2: Please expand, Yeah, because I always put myself in the

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Speaker 2: They're that good. They really are exceptional. Mark.

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Speaker 2: back on schedule one and second down and seven when

432
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: something doesn't work, second down and eight plus. Uh, he's

433
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: a guy that gets you back on schedule, catches a

434
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: five yard hitch and then you know, puts you in

435
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: third down and manageable situations. I think last year, when

436
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: you look at at the Denver Broncos, their defense was

437
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: leaking oil. At the end of the season. You look

438
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: at them in the last five games, they weren't very

439
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 2: they weren't as good, and it's because you know, they

440
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: had to they had to basically win games all season long.

441
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: You look this year, they upgraded some talent positions who

442
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: Fungus an unbelievable player. Greenlaw will be back this week. Uh,

443
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: they're they're better, and they're a little bit freshers, especially

444
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: having the bye week, so that defense is going to

445
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: be a little bit different. Also, they will play a

446
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: ton of Manda Man coverage and there's nobody really on

447
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: this Bills roster. I think that threatens them out of

448
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: getting out of Amanda Man. The issue with the Bills

449
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: is they'll they'll dump to the running backs, they'll dump

450
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: into the tight ends. That's kind of where their passing

451
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: game really comes from. So it'll be interesting. Can they

452
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: pick up Denver's blitz and do all those things? And

453
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: this Bill's defense cannot stop the run. Now, I'm not

454
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Speaker 2: telling you that the Broncos are a good running team,

455
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Speaker 2: because they haven't really been. But the Bills are not

456
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: a very good run defense. So I look at that

457
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: at home with crowd noise, you know, with a really

458
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: good and fresh defense, if the Broncos can, like, if

459
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: the Broncos can run the ball and solve their issues

460
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: in the red zone, these are a lot of ifs.

461
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of IFFs, it should be

462
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: a much better game. It should be close. My theory is,

463
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: if for the Broncos, be who you are, let's play

464
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: man coverage, hit, hit that quarterback. You're gonna give up

465
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: four or five explosive plays, just the way it works

466
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: with Buffalo. But can you create six or seven big

467
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: play strip, sack, fumble. You know, Josh is one of

468
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: those guys that'll scramble around back there and take a

469
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: twenty yard sack. Can you do those things to him?

470
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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, if he makes

471
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: four big plays, can you make six? You know on

472
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: the defensive side and then if the Broncos kick field

473
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: goals in the in the in the red zone, like

474
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: they've been doing the last three weeks, they'll loose. They're

475
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: game right, not gonna work. Yeah, Stick, When you were playing,

476
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Speaker 2: did you prefer it?

477
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Speaker 1: Seems like a ridiculous question, but I've spoken to so

478
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: many players who didn't want the bye week. They just

479
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: wanted to keep it going, they wanted to keep it rolling.

480
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Speaker 1: Did you like having the bye week headed into the

481
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: playoffs here?

482
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because I usually had surgery, right, so different for you.

483
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, I needed a bye week just to have

484
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: something cleaned up. And you know, so I I was

485
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: usually guarding a piece of you know, floating cartilage in

486
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: my knee and I needed to get it washed out

487
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: before before the playoffs. So uh yeah, I prefer I

488
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: prefer that time. But you know, I've been a number

489
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: one seed that lost in the divisional round and and

490
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: then you know, I've been a number one seed that

491
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: won three Super Bowls or two super Bowls, and you know,

492
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: and one loss in the in the divisional round. Like,

493
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: you have to approach the bye week correctly. And part

494
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: of it, though, is how you approach the end of

495
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: the year, Like, if you're so locked up early that

496
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: the end of the year you're not playing anybody for

497
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: two or three games, or you're really managing your roster

498
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: for two or three games, then it becomes like if

499
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: you don't play anybody week eighteen, and then you have

500
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: the bye week, and then you come off the bye week.

501
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what happened to us my first

502
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: year in Denver in ninety six, when we were in

503
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: number one seed, we lost to Jacksonville. We had so

504
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: many guys injured that in the last two weeks of

505
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: the season we really didn't play anybody, and so then

506
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: there's a real opportunity to have for us. I think

507
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: the other thing that we did is our practices during

508
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: the bye week were they were pretty intense, both in

509
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: Washington and Denver, and so it wasn't when we came

510
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: out we were still we were still humming, you know,

511
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: we were still humming in those games other than you know,

512
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: trying to manage your injuries. And so for a team

513
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 2: like Denver week eighteen, they were trying to still get

514
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: the number one seed, so they had to play everybody.

515
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: Now they didn't play real well, but they played everybody

516
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: for four quarters. So I think that makes a difference.

517
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: I've been saying forever that we have no idea what

518
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: we're watching every Sunday because we don't we focus on

519
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, the receivers, the running backs. We don't focus

520
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: on the guys that do what you used to do,

521
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: Mark s Leath, the offensive line. We don't, And we

522
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: have no idea how important it is. Because if the

523
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: quarterback has time, of course he's going to be a

524
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: better quarterback and the team's going to have more success.

525
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: And we don't know what goes into doing your job.

526
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: So I ask you this, with all that being said,

527
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: of the remaining teams, because I believe this is the

528
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: key ingredient to winning a Super Bowl.

529
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: Who has the best offensive line? Well, that's a that's

530
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: a great question. I think Buffalo is really good up front.

531
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: I think the Rams are really good upfront. I think

532
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: those two off the top of my head. I think

533
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: Chicago is really good up front. Yeah, And you know,

534
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: it's funny when I was talking to talking to Ben Johnson,

535
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: this is earlier in the year, just about Caleb and

536
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: you know the process, and Caleb has been you know,

537
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: off schedule. Caleb is as good as it gets right

538
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: right when you are when when things break down, that dude,

539
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: and that's what the way they've been winning. On schedule,

540
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: he's been a below average quarterback and he's got to

541
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: be you know, he's got to be better at that stuff.

542
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: But the bottom line for me is off schedule, he's

543
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: been amazing. But the first thing that benj constin and

544
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: pointed to when when we talk to us, hey, man,

545
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: wait till you see our offensive line, Wait till you

546
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: see what we did with the inside guys. And now

547
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: they have Joe Toney is an All Pro And but

548
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: that's like that you think of Ben Johnson is you know, hey,

549
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: this guy that's a dynamic offensive coordinator. You think about

550
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: all the you know, the gadget plays down on the

551
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: red zone and all the things he did with the

552
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: Detroit and at his core, man, he's a run first guy.

553
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: And that's Liam Calton too. We're gonna run the football.

554
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: And I think one of the problems with a lot

555
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: of guys that are getting opportunities to be first time

556
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators, first time head coaches that come from these systems.

557
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: You know, if you get the Oda McVeigh on you,

558
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: you get you automatically get to be an offensive coordinator

559
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: right right, if you brush up in his cafe, you know,

560
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 2: you get you get that. But a lot of those

561
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: guys don't know how to tie the run game to

562
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: their pass game coordinators, and they don't really know and

563
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: understand the run game or how to tie the run

564
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: game to the passing game. And you see a lot

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: of these guys get their opportunities. You know, the shame

566
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: the Shane Waldern's of the world that went to Seattle.

567
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: You know, there's Zach Robinson who went to Atlanta this

568
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: year and not have that great success, not have that

569
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: great chemistry because they don't know how to tie it together.

570
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: When you look at when you look at Sean McVay,

571
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: Sean McVay runs, you know, he says it all the time,

572
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: the illusion of complexity and the spread offense. And and

573
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: Seawan will tell you we're a power run football team

574
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: that's descried the disguised as a spread offense. Right, That's

575
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: what we are. And that's why that's why people people

576
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: don't really understand our football team. Right, and they are, man,

577
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: they're bludging you. And they'll and the receivers have to

578
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: block and you know, and they run this thirteen personnel,

579
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: these three tight ends, and they're really good at what

580
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: they do. So those those are my teams, so to speak.

581
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it's uh, it's you know, when they ask them

582
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: about the weather in Chicago, it's why he said, like,

583
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: we don't care, that's not the weather's not going to

584
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: impact our game.

585
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: We run the football and that's what we do. Yeah.

586
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Uh, interesting, all right, stick, We appreciated enjoy the games

587
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: this weekend.

588
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: If the team's remaining, who's the best.

589
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: If you have to bet an amount of money that

590
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: meant something to you on a team to win the

591
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, who would that team be?

592
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: I would probably still go. Every team is flawed, and

593
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: I was disappointing the way the Rams finished the game

594
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: after being a fourteen nothing lead. But I think the

595
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: Rams are probably, in my estimation, the best team. I

596
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: think Seattle's defense is unbelievable. I have some question March

597
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: about their offense. Right it's neck and neck with the

598
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: Rams in Seattle. I think are the two best teams.

599
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: All right, I feel like you've done more already. It's

600
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: dark at where you are still.

601
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: The sum did not come up, but it feels like

602
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: you have done more today already than when I'll do

603
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: the entire rest of the day here and at day

604
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning.

605
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Congratulations to you. Are you?

606
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: Are you on pop pad naps yet?

607
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: Do you just do that random fall asleep on a chair?

608
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

609
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: I will. I will occasionally doze off for twenty minutes

610
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: or so. I'll get the TV on in the afternoon. Yeah, absolutely,

611
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: watching the Jets, I get it. Yeah. No, I I

612
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: fall asleep watching the Jets while I'm calling their games.

613
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: I got I gotta tell you. Yeah, Mike. So, I

614
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: was doing a Jets game and I'm on at practice

615
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: on Friday, and I just looked over it with my producer.

616
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: I go, this is why they'll never win. He's like,

617
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: he's like what, And I go. The offensive linemen were

618
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: running pat and go, and I was like, if my

619
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: coach still me, hey, like, go runs the pat and go.

620
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: That's gonna be fun. I'd be like, hey, fuck off.

621
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Speaker 2: If I got to run forty yards, somebody's gonna score,

622
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: either them or us. I'm not running forty yards to

623
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: catch a ball. I'm sorry. No, I've got other things

624
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: i want to do. I'll stay inside and you know,

625
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: eat or I'll come out here and work on my footwork.

626
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: But I'm not running. I'm not running forty yard. You know,

627
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: go balls if you're running a forty yard.

628
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: If you're running forty yards, it has to mean something.

629
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying. There better be six points at

630
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: the end of those forty yards.

631
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: If I'm running forty yards, well, one, I'm not sprinting

632
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: forty yards. I'm not gonna catch anybody. And two, if

633
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: I do run forty yards, I'm trotting down because we

634
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: just scored and we got to kick pat field goal.

635
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: But like, it's just stupid. On the line.

636
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Coach is a tight end who only coached tight ends.

637
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: He's never played nor coached the offensive line ever. Yeah, well,

638
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: there you go, so and look, hey they were having

639
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: fun though, So that's really all what accounts is having

640
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: winning games, you know what. I just haven As long

641
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: as we have fun at Friday practice, we're good. We

642
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: lead the league in fun. Yeah. Yes, there you go,

643
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: stinking truth wherever you get your podcast. We love him.

644
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: He's fantastic, man. He is great. Mark. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for doing this. Man, you got it. Guys, I'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you later,