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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and
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Speaker 1: hosting today for Bill Jones, joined as always by the
Speaker 1: Great Everson Walls. Mickey Spagnola. It is December, and despite
Speaker 1: two straight losses in the past week, your Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: have a one game lead in the NFC East, four
Speaker 1: games to play exactly. Ever, since you're not gonna affect
Speaker 1: by having just fairly they blew that one. They didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't just get beat. They lost. How about that
Speaker 1: with a late play by Taco Charlton as well, Mick
Speaker 1: to help those Dolphins out. Taco helped out a little bit,
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins helped themselves, like us, Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get my hand in there. He did more for us
Speaker 1: not being on the team than he did while he
Speaker 1: played for us. That's a many way to put it.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, wake up call for him. So breaking news.
Speaker 1: It might be cold in Chicago. Ah, man, that's a surprise,
Speaker 1: is that the report you got just now? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody was worried about winds blowing hard. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the wind's gonna come off the lake that direction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a change. Although I think from what
Speaker 1: I saw, this is gonna be a balmy December evening.
Speaker 1: It's gonna low of thirty one. Really, yeah, break on
Speaker 1: that ten percent chance of per dipicipation ten to I
Speaker 1: think I saw eight to ten mile an hour win
Speaker 1: gonna be out there with short sleeves on, you know,
Speaker 1: because the fans they really get into that, you know,
Speaker 1: as much as they looked miserable when they come to
Speaker 1: games like that, the Patriots fans, you know, the cold
Speaker 1: weather fans, they looked forward to the miserable weather. I
Speaker 1: remember Dennis Thurman telling me about when he was playing
Speaker 1: at usc and every time they went up to Washington
Speaker 1: and it would start to rain and the fans would
Speaker 1: just go crazy, and that was that was there. That
Speaker 1: was the thirteenth Man. You know, the weather itself, not
Speaker 1: the twelfth Man, was that was the fans and the
Speaker 1: thirteenth Man was was a mother nature and they loved it.
Speaker 1: They loved it. I tell you a neat scenario. It
Speaker 1: was like a christening for the Bearers. In eighty five
Speaker 1: when they won the NFC title game there, I was
Speaker 1: covering the game there and as the game was getting
Speaker 1: ready to finish, and it was over, and the fans
Speaker 1: are cheering, and all of a sudden, they just start
Speaker 1: snowing and snowing hard, and the cheering that louder and
Speaker 1: louder and louder. It's like you just got christened, right,
Speaker 1: you are NFC champs for the first time. I would
Speaker 1: imagine the players are down there, were just in the
Speaker 1: worst conditions ever. They hate, they hate, their fans love it.
Speaker 1: And then conversely, a year or two later, they were
Speaker 1: playing the forty nine ers at home in a NFC
Speaker 1: title game, and everybody's like, oh, the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: they're coming in here from the West Coast. They are
Speaker 1: not going to be able to deal with this weather.
Speaker 1: This is Bears weather, right, they kick Bears clocks out
Speaker 1: of there. Weather had nothing to do with it, right.
Speaker 1: They were just a better team at that point, so
Speaker 1: weather weather, and it's they can kind of mimic the
Speaker 1: weather a little bit today. That's why they're practicing outside
Speaker 1: on a Monday. That's a Thursday, right, that's right. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm getting confused, and you confuse me with them. Jason
Speaker 1: always confuses you to just come to practice, and they
Speaker 1: tell me to come to practice. Okay, I don't. And
Speaker 1: it's a grass field too, by the ways. Wow, So
Speaker 1: that's why. That's another reason why they wanted to play
Speaker 1: paint paint. Remember the pa is good. I remember my
Speaker 1: front yard was in green in December. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that, all right. So we have not convened since
Speaker 1: Wednesday of last week, since we made predictions for Cowboys bills.
Speaker 1: It feels like this game man not Well, who's the closest.
Speaker 1: I might have been the farthest. I think I had
Speaker 1: thirty one seventeen. Well, I told you would not be
Speaker 1: that high. I tried to tell you that, You're right.
Speaker 1: They held him to fifteen points. Buffalo did. And so
Speaker 1: that's two losses to two more winning teams in a
Speaker 1: five day stretch. And now your Dallas Cowboys are six
Speaker 1: and six with four games to play, and I think
Speaker 1: we could talk about Buffalo, and I think we're kind
Speaker 1: of past that. I think we could probably get in
Speaker 1: to the Bears more tomorrow with or without BILLI siff
Speaker 1: he's here tomorrow. But mainly it's just kind of where
Speaker 1: this team is at right now. What's the state of mind.
Speaker 1: Is the confidence still there with four games left that
Speaker 1: they can get this thing done. I think we find
Speaker 1: out the confidence level on Thursday, because I'm sure this
Speaker 1: was a blow to the heart that you went out
Speaker 1: there and at home and you know, and Buffalo comes
Speaker 1: in here and dominate you. And it was no if
Speaker 1: fans or butts and for as I was saying, there's
Speaker 1: no one play or one circumstance that turned that game around.
Speaker 1: Like so many of their other losses, they just got beat.
Speaker 1: The other team was better. Man. I still got hot
Speaker 1: sauce in my mouth. Man, I got this hot sauce
Speaker 1: taste in my mouth and it was killing me. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have gone up against many defenses that have figured
Speaker 1: out a way to contain Cole Beasley. We could not
Speaker 1: contain Cole Beasley. Six catches, one ten, Yeah, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I mean that's just that's a ball that's balling and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's balling. He comes in here. We know
Speaker 1: he's coming in here. Did we just say we're going
Speaker 1: to you beat our man, and you know, if you
Speaker 1: can beat our man, then you can have it. You know,
Speaker 1: we had no scheme to take him out of the game,
Speaker 1: especially on third downs when we know he's key to
Speaker 1: the team and he's key to the situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it. You want to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of pride and say maybe whoever Jordan Lewis or whoever
Speaker 1: would be guarding him, you would say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: can you handle this? And then I'm gonna put that
Speaker 1: on you. That's great too, That's great certain situations. That's
Speaker 1: great certain times when we have to bring all the
Speaker 1: guys and we have to bring the pressure. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the challenge right now, Jordan Lewis to shut down
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley. But in the scheme of things, you should
Speaker 1: have something to be able to take him and eliminate
Speaker 1: him from the game. We've seen it happen by other
Speaker 1: teams when he was with us. So I just don't
Speaker 1: understand how he can be not contained or at least
Speaker 1: because you got to know where he is, you got
Speaker 1: to know how hot he has been, at least in
Speaker 1: the last four games. He started off kind of slow
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I think fourth games
Speaker 1: the season, he caught a touchdown and now he's been
Speaker 1: on fire and we all know that. So I just
Speaker 1: don't understand why something wasn't considered to take him out
Speaker 1: of the game. I mean, these weren't It was no
Speaker 1: rocket science out there. We knew where he was going.
Speaker 1: Alan was looking at him sometimes he eyeballed him the
Speaker 1: entire play, and yet here we are seems like we
Speaker 1: are very surprised at his effectiveness. I don't understand that, say.
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to I think I said
Speaker 1: this last week about self evaluation. You should be able
Speaker 1: to self evaluate yourself. Do I have somebody that and
Speaker 1: cover him consistently one on one? The answer should have
Speaker 1: been no, And because no one everybody, no one does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody gives me grief about Jordan Lewis this and
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis that. But they left him man the man
Speaker 1: on Beasley and this wasn't practice out here, right, you know,
Speaker 1: he he couldn't cover him, and so you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they do, miss Anthony Brown, but he needed help. And
Speaker 1: I don't him out of the matter. I don't think
Speaker 1: it mattered who you put on him, because he hadn't
Speaker 1: been stopped by anyone. I'm talking about veteran defensive backs,
Speaker 1: more senior than ours, and he's he's been hot, he's
Speaker 1: still been hot. He hasn't cooled off at all. So
Speaker 1: for you to assume that you've got that guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Jordan Lewis. We talk about Jordan at times.
Speaker 1: Guy's a great kid. But that's just not fair. It's
Speaker 1: just not fair. Number One, you talk about in practice,
Speaker 1: you know, you do seven or seven one on one,
Speaker 1: and I remember the Bees would always say, oh, well
Speaker 1: you will never have that much time. You know, the
Speaker 1: rush would have gotten to him by that time. Well,
Speaker 1: our rush didn't get there. And there were times when,
Speaker 1: you know, to George's disadvantage, Alan was running around back
Speaker 1: there for a while and Geordie's trying to keep up
Speaker 1: with Cole. And that's just not the position you want
Speaker 1: to be in. To me, you just take him, you
Speaker 1: take him out and make them go somewhere else. It's
Speaker 1: the whole Belichick plan that I've always talked about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you do something different. Then show me
Speaker 1: what you got. So I'm gonna take Cole Beasley out.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing we're gonna do in these key situations.
Speaker 1: And we know it's every third down. It's not rocket science.
Speaker 1: We knew exactly what they were going to do it,
Speaker 1: and I guess we just said, hey, if you can
Speaker 1: hit this in the mouth, we'll take it. And you
Speaker 1: touched on another thing that I don't think was consistently
Speaker 1: good enough, and I know they ended up with four sacks.
Speaker 1: The pressure on Alan just wasn't there on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: He was way too comfortable in the pocket. Uh one,
Speaker 1: He looked like that back there a couple of times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just just didn't even have to pat his feet. He
Speaker 1: just like flat footed, flat footed and just waiting. And
Speaker 1: then his ability to run. They knew that was going
Speaker 1: to happen, and they didn't take that away either. Put
Speaker 1: the spy. Did we have a spy? Well, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of times I didn't notice they went dime
Speaker 1: and they brought but they brought in another safety. It
Speaker 1: wasn't another corner, was another safety, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if that affected what was going on. Well, if you
Speaker 1: bring another safety, then that's the guy you want to spot, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. I believe that Josh Jones got to play
Speaker 1: a little bit more than the normal in that game.
Speaker 1: So I don't recall I don't recall anybody just hanging back.
Speaker 1: I do not recall anybody eyeball on the quarterback making
Speaker 1: sure he was contained, and because if they did, then
Speaker 1: he must have got distracted running off the place and
Speaker 1: throwing all over the plae Devin Singletary, they're young running back,
Speaker 1: made plays with his feet as a runner and a receiver.
Speaker 1: We talked about that during the week. And then offensively,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the pressure on or not enough pressure on
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Dak gets sacked four times, gets hit seven times,
Speaker 1: and had two more turnovers, and the Cowboys lose the
Speaker 1: turnover battle once again. And that's been the story pretty
Speaker 1: much in all of their losses. I think they're minus
Speaker 1: four for the season now in turnover margin, and when
Speaker 1: you're not getting the takeaways on defense, it puts a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on only minus four I think, So
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good you're not getting
Speaker 1: because you're not getting anything, that's I am shocked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought they'd be like eight ten say, And that
Speaker 1: was another another deal that came out of that game.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if other teams are going to
Speaker 1: copy it, but they decided after that first series or
Speaker 1: that first part of the game when the Cowboys were driving,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, Dak's not beating us, we're blitzing. We're
Speaker 1: coming after a lot of blitzing. One that's been coming.
Speaker 1: That's been happening since the Jets and lately too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: since Greg Williams. That has been happening. And that's the
Speaker 1: smart way to go. That's the only way to go
Speaker 1: when you have a team as exciting as this. We
Speaker 1: have an offense with all that talent, and you see
Speaker 1: Dak sitting back there like we said, like some kind
Speaker 1: of statue you. I don't know if he's card board,
Speaker 1: if he's real. That's how still he is most of
Speaker 1: the time. So you were like, we gotta change this
Speaker 1: nagative as well. Now when I don't let the receivers
Speaker 1: run free through the zones, we're gonna get up in
Speaker 1: their faces. You don't need an all pro defensive back
Speaker 1: to shut down an all pro wide receiving. All you
Speaker 1: just need to do is get on his nerves, just
Speaker 1: ruin his timing between he and the quarterback. And that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Everything right now is going to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to allow you to have these beautiful
Speaker 1: play action passes and things of that nature. We're bringing
Speaker 1: it no matter what. And Dak's been hanging in there.
Speaker 1: He has, but he just might as well get ready
Speaker 1: to see it. Weekend coming. There was a bunch of
Speaker 1: double blitzers. They were coming, like on the screen paths
Speaker 1: that he tried to throw that get intercepted. They were
Speaker 1: coming from his right, two guys and they're coming untouched,
Speaker 1: and they had a could play great design, was a
Speaker 1: great screen to the left, Yes, and the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: intercepts the ball. How many times have you seen you
Speaker 1: gotta throw that thing right in the dirt, Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and just get get rid of it. Just don't even
Speaker 1: give him an opportunity. How many times did you see
Speaker 1: something in that game and you go, gosh, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I ever saw that before. But the guy
Speaker 1: with an interception right, the Cowboys try a field goal,
Speaker 1: it gets partially deflected. At the end of the half,
Speaker 1: their guy tries to field goal it hits the upright
Speaker 1: and bounces in and then you got Alan recovering a
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak fumble. Yeah that the ball just lays there
Speaker 1: and he picks it up like he dropped a loaf
Speaker 1: of bread. I gotta say, I was so upset that
Speaker 1: you got these big guys, man, and you know, we
Speaker 1: want to I want to vilify him so badly because
Speaker 1: they're big, you know, the big guys. And the ball
Speaker 1: is right on the stomach. Man. You know it was
Speaker 1: right by his nose. Come on, he's right there. When's
Speaker 1: the last time you've been that close to the ball
Speaker 1: except for doing before the snap count right right? I
Speaker 1: was so upset about that. I could not We are
Speaker 1: a Murphy's Law team at this point, you know that, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: everything that can't in this game we talked about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have you seen the cornerback
Speaker 1: you fumble usually dive on it, right, No, he picks
Speaker 1: it up and dives himself first down. No one saw it.
Speaker 1: But I still go back to the interception in New England.
Speaker 1: Everybody's dropping the ball. Give him comes with a one
Speaker 1: handed off of Coop's leg. Somehow it stayed up and
Speaker 1: he catches a I don't know what kind of interception.
Speaker 1: That was one of the more underrated, amazing interceptions I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, because you really couldn't see what happened on
Speaker 1: that play. It just I think it was Coop's leg
Speaker 1: stopped it from going down as he's trying to to
Speaker 1: knock it down his fuehand. Just little things like that
Speaker 1: to where you go, Wow, if you just think of
Speaker 1: not just the Murphy's Law that we we're dealing with,
Speaker 1: we're also dealing with our own incompetence. That's my question
Speaker 1: for you. That is it just unlucky bounces or we're
Speaker 1: talking about lack of execution on top of it. That's
Speaker 1: that's that helps. That helps, the lack of execution helps.
Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about the times when we have
Speaker 1: made the first down or made a touchdown and we
Speaker 1: shot ourselves in the foot with a big play or
Speaker 1: a big call against us. And uh, if you were
Speaker 1: to just add all of those up with the Murphy's
Speaker 1: law situations that we're talking about this team here. Ron
Speaker 1: Springs used to watch The flint Stones and he always
Speaker 1: talked about the the bad luck slept Rock. Remember that character,
Speaker 1: slept Rock yes, sir, that's what this team is. We're
Speaker 1: full of slept rocks. Everybody's just Murphy's Law happening all
Speaker 1: over the place, bad luck happening at every turn. When
Speaker 1: it raises his head, well about losing your starting left guard.
Speaker 1: And then two plays, Letters once again gives up a sack.
Speaker 1: Wasn't two, there was one, it was it was two.
Speaker 1: It was two because they had a completion. And then
Speaker 1: the next play came in sack fumble and they recover.
Speaker 1: So next man up, huh, that's not that's always worry
Speaker 1: about next man up there. Well, it's gonna have a
Speaker 1: reason they're the next man up. It's gonna be. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be Xaviers to a Philo once again at left guard,
Speaker 1: with Connor Williams set for surgery on his acl a
Speaker 1: torn a cl to your point, Everson, before we go
Speaker 1: to break that, there's a drive in the third quarter
Speaker 1: that just to me, it sums up when they've had
Speaker 1: problems this year. This summed it all up. They get
Speaker 1: to the Bill's twenty five yard line first down and
Speaker 1: Dak gets sacked for minus seven false start on Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: and then they're during third and nineteen and they wind
Speaker 1: up kicking a field goal that has missed. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, we did not make it. It was
Speaker 1: wide right, red maher oh for two On the day
Speaker 1: Mickey mentioned the one that got deflected. It seemed like
Speaker 1: it might have been a low kick on top of it.
Speaker 1: And there you are, and that's why you know this
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Speaker 1: Mortgage studio. Cowboys back to practice. They practiced on Sunday,
Speaker 1: which Everson was like a Wednesday schedule, and now second
Speaker 1: of three full practices this week comes down today. They're
Speaker 1: outside getting set for the Chicago Bears Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: Bears trying to get a big win, stay in the
Speaker 1: wildcard race. Cowboys trying to keep pace with their one
Speaker 1: game division lead. And we covered some of the game
Speaker 1: from last Thursday. Since we weren't with you guys for
Speaker 1: a few days, I got to talk about Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and his comments after the game, very emphatic, not making
Speaker 1: a coaching change. Sticking with Jason Garrett looking for one
Speaker 1: of his quotes, he said, quote, this is not the
Speaker 1: time for me. I'm looking ahead at another ball game,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking ahead at winning four or five straight
Speaker 1: and helping write a story that they'll talk about. How
Speaker 1: it looked like you were down and out and you
Speaker 1: got it back. Jerry full of optimism and preaching unity
Speaker 1: with this football team with four games left. What did
Speaker 1: you guys make of his comments? I mean, that was
Speaker 1: the that was more the story than the game itself.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been. It's a no brainer. I mean,
Speaker 1: who's gonna give you the coach right now? You just
Speaker 1: don't do that. You're still in the first place. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen now. But trust me, his eyes on
Speaker 1: the prize for later on in January. If something doesn't
Speaker 1: go down by then, of course he knows what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's not gonna tell us. But no, I
Speaker 1: don't know why such a story. It's just the fact
Speaker 1: that this is this is truly not the time to
Speaker 1: do it. You know, this is not one of those uh,
Speaker 1: vengeance firings. You know, if you just really hated somebody,
Speaker 1: maybe if he was the late great Buddy Ryan, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you fire him now because he was just crazy. But
Speaker 1: you don't do somebody like Jason like that, or this organization.
Speaker 1: They just don't practice like that. This is not one
Speaker 1: of those things, and it doesn't help any thing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, he said, our best bet is to go
Speaker 1: forward as is. Changing just the head coach wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: change anything. Um, you know that would that I think
Speaker 1: that would that would be just the opposite, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be devastating for the team. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of a time I said this on the fan
Speaker 1: this morning, like when in the NFL have you seen
Speaker 1: a first place coach get fired mid season? Like that
Speaker 1: first place is first place? Has that happened? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you see it in other sports. You see
Speaker 1: um regardless of record. NHL, they'll change out a manager,
Speaker 1: the Premier League soccer, they'll sack a guy and bring
Speaker 1: in somebody mid season. In the NFL, when you do it,
Speaker 1: it signals to me, it's It usually signals either your
Speaker 1: season's over or there's or there's panic and you wave
Speaker 1: the white flag. They've they've ridden with Jason Garrett for
Speaker 1: how many years, and they're going to see this thing through.
Speaker 1: I mean, I never thought Mick that this was a
Speaker 1: consideration during the Obviously he's in the last year of
Speaker 1: his contract and we'll see what happens. But everybody misinterpreted
Speaker 1: what he said the day before Thanksgiving when when he
Speaker 1: did his car wash interviews for the halftime show, and
Speaker 1: everybody interviewed him, and I think on NFL Network he
Speaker 1: said something to fuck well something. The effect was we
Speaker 1: gotta win, and we gotta win now. And I think
Speaker 1: everybody assumed that he meant tomorrow, and if he didn't,
Speaker 1: you're out. Because I got I got email from people
Speaker 1: in the business that should know better, and they're going, well,
Speaker 1: what do we do tomorrow if they lose in Jason
Speaker 1: gets fired on Friday and I was like what, and
Speaker 1: they go, well, Jerry said it, like oh, that's not
Speaker 1: what he said, or at least not what he meant
Speaker 1: to me. That's when the tail starts wagging the dog.
Speaker 1: Right the story is bigger than everything else. And you know,
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, I like you guys. Okay, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, thanks, thanks and uh, but sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: we just get it's so hyped, you know, we just
Speaker 1: get so we almost like a dog after a bone,
Speaker 1: you know, the narrative almost starts to take it. It
Speaker 1: becomes a narrative, you know, the story becomes a naive
Speaker 1: and it's nothing true comes out of anything, and if
Speaker 1: it does, it's always exaggerated. So you know, to me,
Speaker 1: it's like the election, you know what I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: just relax, you know, don't don't you know, misinformation and
Speaker 1: fake news and things of that nature. That's what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with right now. And like you said, we're still
Speaker 1: in first place and thank you, Philadelphia. The guy that
Speaker 1: used to be kind of the executive assistant up there
Speaker 1: for the head coaches, Bruce Mays would always tell me
Speaker 1: perception becomes reality, and he was right, because whatever everybody's
Speaker 1: perception is, you talk yourself into oh, this is the truth.
Speaker 1: You know and you and you, it's the perception is
Speaker 1: very evil disease out there. I'm pretty sure I just
Speaker 1: saw Bruce this weekend. Real. I did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: We had a good kind of say Okay, he was funny,
Speaker 1: he's still funny, still still preach, he's still preach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen Bruce. That's good. I was shocked. I was shot.
Speaker 1: I'm no lie. I just happened to visit the suite.
Speaker 1: They was. Yeah, that's sorry. I forgot. But he would
Speaker 1: have been here for year. One year, right, one year,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, if you want to call that a year. Yea.
Speaker 1: Here's another quote from Jerry after the game. He said, quote,
Speaker 1: We're not sitting out here without our starting quarterback. We're
Speaker 1: not sitting out here without our starting running backs. We've
Speaker 1: got our line in shape. Of course, Connor Williams now
Speaker 1: injured out for the season. We've got receivers that have
Speaker 1: gotten better and I think we've got really a chance
Speaker 1: to play better on defense. So Jerry, he still believes
Speaker 1: in the talent level of this team. How do you guys,
Speaker 1: what do you guys feel about that? Well, let's look
Speaker 1: at this. The biggest loss we had, what was the
Speaker 1: differential Packers ten points eleven? Yeah, and it was more
Speaker 1: than that. We we've because of our talent. Really because
Speaker 1: of our talent. That's the only reason we've been in
Speaker 1: some of these games, and most we should have won
Speaker 1: because of our talent, and it was because of some
Speaker 1: particular situation Murphy's law, bad coaching decision, one person coming
Speaker 1: in and making a mistake. Because of it, We've we've
Speaker 1: found a way to lose these particular games when we
Speaker 1: had a chance to win them. So how do you
Speaker 1: want to look at this pessimistically? Optimistically? You know? Are
Speaker 1: we that that one bounce away from being the team
Speaker 1: that we thought we'd be turning those tough games, tough
Speaker 1: losses into tough wins. Are we really are we that team?
Speaker 1: You know? Are we? Are we looking forward to that
Speaker 1: team coming up and maybe these next three or four games,
Speaker 1: that's the team that's gonna show they're gonna get the bounces,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make the heads up decisions. You know, the
Speaker 1: coaches are gonna make the right calls in our eyes
Speaker 1: that that results in the win. Yeah, that's that's what
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to. That's the optimism that you can
Speaker 1: look forward to. If you're pessimistic, then you're looking forward
Speaker 1: to everything that we've seen to this point with no changes.
Speaker 1: Because this was the first time they got beat beat, right.
Speaker 1: The other ones are what you were talking about, the
Speaker 1: other five losses. This one they just got beat I
Speaker 1: mean that was no, that was no two minutes, no
Speaker 1: two minute drill. They could have made a difference. You
Speaker 1: should have a field goal instead of going for no
Speaker 1: crucial point, no crucial points. No, no, there wasn't. Just
Speaker 1: one play. And then yesterday reinforced my theory on that
Speaker 1: Jets Gamely they're terrible and you lost to them. No,
Speaker 1: they're not terrible. I mean they what they won three games?
Speaker 1: Three games? They won three games, six six games. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're talking about that game in twenty years on't yes,
Speaker 1: I might be two uh yeah. Or that fumble against
Speaker 1: the Rams in the regular season that year that yeah, seventeen,
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer. Yes, you're still that one. Um so, so
Speaker 1: you've mentioned something that I think needs to be addressed,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the defense. I understand sometimes what goes
Speaker 1: on with this offense, but the defense has just not
Speaker 1: stood up and played. If you think about the two
Speaker 1: previous games before New England they had given up what
Speaker 1: fifty fifty five points and then they give up another
Speaker 1: twenty six, They're they're not playing to the level of
Speaker 1: what we thought was the talent on that defense right now.
Speaker 1: I mean that's three games and who knows what New
Speaker 1: England would have done if it was a dry field.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I don't know what has
Speaker 1: happened to our run defense. But what they'll do, they'll
Speaker 1: hang their hat. I believe you talked about it last week.
Speaker 1: What number seven defense or something like that against Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. We've got good numbers, rankings, The rankings
Speaker 1: look good. So if you're gonna go in, it's like
Speaker 1: a job with you if you're going to go in
Speaker 1: and say, oh, okay, I deserve this, I deserve that. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll take a look at this. I'm you know, we
Speaker 1: were number nine against the rush, number nine total defense.
Speaker 1: That just says what you did. It doesn't tell you
Speaker 1: about the things that you didn't do. Number one, you
Speaker 1: don't get turnovers, okay. Number two, you don't control the
Speaker 1: pace of any game. You don't. You're not the fire
Speaker 1: okay that ignites this team. It's catch. It's like they're
Speaker 1: playing off of the offense. If the offense does well,
Speaker 1: we'll do well. If the offense doesn't do well, we
Speaker 1: don't do well. And the key point here is there
Speaker 1: are times when they play so well doing a ball game,
Speaker 1: controlling all the situations, last two minutes of the game,
Speaker 1: third down, all of that, then there's a time when
Speaker 1: we need to stop. We gotta have this stop guy,
Speaker 1: Just give me one on this drive. Okay, we got
Speaker 1: three third downs on this drive. Just just stop us
Speaker 1: once on one of these third downs, and it changes
Speaker 1: the entire situation. It gives us a chance to maybe
Speaker 1: win a BA game. Will hold them off and when
Speaker 1: it is time to to keep the uh, the opposing
Speaker 1: offense off the field out third downs of horble and
Speaker 1: they let them drive laid keep on driving out third
Speaker 1: downs of hall and we know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's a surprise. I say third downs
Speaker 1: of horble. I'm not saying uh Alan was was six
Speaker 1: for seven on no I mean running the ball. We
Speaker 1: gave up a first down crucial situations and could not
Speaker 1: get off the field. You mentioned takeaways, and that's that's
Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway for me and Stephen Jones said it
Speaker 1: on the fan last Friday. It's the elephant in your bone.
Speaker 1: There's some side four straight games without a takeaways and
Speaker 1: you know you're you're asking your offense to drive long
Speaker 1: fields and so that's the part that doesn't get mixed
Speaker 1: in when they're to your your question. Ever, so they're
Speaker 1: they're eighth and total defense, they're ninth and scoring defense.
Speaker 1: They have done things, some things well this year, but
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, I mean it's not to their standard. It's
Speaker 1: not what they expected this season. Um, they're playing without
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh, They've had some injuries. He didn't play in
Speaker 1: the game, Atoin Woods didn't play in the game. We'll
Speaker 1: see if those guys can get back this week. But um,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been nearly the consistent level that they expected.
Speaker 1: I just remember Troy doing the game when he was
Speaker 1: so fired up. I think that his game he crabbed
Speaker 1: me up. I wish I could have seen his face.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's read as a tomato, but he was.
Speaker 1: He was upset, but he was also very h accurate.
Speaker 1: And this one statement, you know, I love sometimes that
Speaker 1: down home, you know, country approach. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a big time defense, you gotta make big time plays, period, period.
Speaker 1: Would you say that's our defense? Not in any stress?
Speaker 1: Don't even give me that, Like, oh, I don't think, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't know better already. There was there was a
Speaker 1: point in that New England game, and I don't remember where.
Speaker 1: If I had my play by play that I keep myself,
Speaker 1: I wrote down in capital letters and squared it off.
Speaker 1: I said, they need a play, a play, they need
Speaker 1: a play, and they just doesn't come, just doesn't come.
Speaker 1: I mean they'll do the things like you know, negative yard,
Speaker 1: that all looks great, but then we also, okay, negative,
Speaker 1: y are just second and thirteen, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you give up nine, and now you got
Speaker 1: third and three. Now you're looking at they get seven,
Speaker 1: and here we are right back where we started. They
Speaker 1: they I believe the Bill scored on five of six
Speaker 1: drives at one point in the game, and one was
Speaker 1: a missfield goal. And you know, Zeke hits two carries
Speaker 1: in the second half, and that's I mean, the game
Speaker 1: wasn't completely out of reach, but they felt like they
Speaker 1: needed to pass to get back in the football game. Well,
Speaker 1: you can see where the momentum was going. Yeah, Zeke
Speaker 1: had good numbers, you know, average over five yards of carry.
Speaker 1: I get that, but you gotta have points now. You
Speaker 1: gotta have points now. And we didn't have a chance
Speaker 1: for we didn't have any opportunities for a hiccup in
Speaker 1: our offensive momentum. That's where they were trying to prevent,
Speaker 1: even though they did not, But that was the whole goal.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you just can't do that with Zeke. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want to do it with Zeke, let's get
Speaker 1: him out in space. Let's get hi empiled out of space.
Speaker 1: I think that's something they really need to do more
Speaker 1: of because I think it really it. It takes the
Speaker 1: pressure off the wide receivers to just beat their man
Speaker 1: every play. You know, we've got running backs that are
Speaker 1: kicking our linebackers butts. Okay, tight ends and linebackersians and
Speaker 1: running backs have been killing our linebackers. We need to
Speaker 1: do the same to them. We've got very athletic running
Speaker 1: backs and tight ends. We need to use them a
Speaker 1: whole lot more. All right, let's take our final break. Thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I had one seconds. If anything can go wrong, it's
Speaker 1: gonna go wrong. Did you notice that on the half
Speaker 1: ending field goal attempt that got deflected Sean mcdermot's running
Speaker 1: down the sideline trying to time. Yeah, that he didn't
Speaker 1: get it. Ye? All right, go ahead, Murphy's law. Huh,
Speaker 1: there we go. All right, back to wrap it up
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Speaker 1: one more theory, right, Sham brought it up in the
Speaker 1: press conference yesterday, and it made me think, especially after
Speaker 1: the way New England played last night and they had
Speaker 1: a you know, a full week. The Cowboys had three
Speaker 1: days to get ready, so you've done this before. When
Speaker 1: you play in the weather like they did at New England,
Speaker 1: does that take something out of your body more so
Speaker 1: than just a regular game when it's cold, windy and
Speaker 1: wet like that. Well, it didn't last. I mean you
Speaker 1: can tell that your body feels different, you know, you
Speaker 1: know it's going through some extreme situations. But once the
Speaker 1: game's over, now you get your rest, you bounce back,
Speaker 1: unless you're injured. Now, yeah, unless you had some injury.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, now the cold doesn't come with you. No,
Speaker 1: we shed that. I was just wondering that second half
Speaker 1: of that, and and Brad brought it up the second
Speaker 1: half against Buffalo. They just looked lethargic, and well, that's
Speaker 1: that's all here, that is all here. They realize where
Speaker 1: they are right now, right in this particular season, and
Speaker 1: if they're not careful, you have to have somebody with
Speaker 1: some experience, you know, someone that has a level head
Speaker 1: to just right the ship. And I'm talking about players.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about coaches. There needs to be a
Speaker 1: group of players that I heard they had the one
Speaker 1: little meeting or whatever. I don't know how they went,
Speaker 1: but someone has to step up, not just one, but
Speaker 1: some group has to step up and really show this
Speaker 1: team how it needs to be done and not be
Speaker 1: afraid to fail. Right now, we're playing scared. We're playing
Speaker 1: scared because the fans are doing us. Oh we're at
Speaker 1: home and we're getting We're playing like crap. You know.
Speaker 1: I think for them, best thing might be is to
Speaker 1: get the heck out of here. Let's go on the road.
Speaker 1: That was always a bad one in fifteen season. Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 1: Jamie Jones. Where do we win? Right? The one win
Speaker 1: we got we got away from home. Micky thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna cover history. I thought, rude history for him,
Speaker 1: all right, gonna first oh it sixteen before we get
Speaker 1: out of here. Yes, kicking situation. Yes, we talked about
Speaker 1: Maher's two missus. Jason Garrett on the fans said today
Speaker 1: they're moving forward with him still as their kicker. They
Speaker 1: did have three workouts yesterday. What's your guys thoughts on
Speaker 1: Maha right now? I guess forward must be really brief
Speaker 1: if they bring it in somebody a god. That was
Speaker 1: just like eighty nine we saw people running for the
Speaker 1: old Dashes come to take our jobs. That was crazy
Speaker 1: right there. I mean they would start, they would come
Speaker 1: in work out on Monday, start on Sunday, and get
Speaker 1: released on the next Monday. The revolving door. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: I'm this guy. I don't know Van Drush. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know, ma, but I just really feel that
Speaker 1: his inconsistencies are just compounding. Yeah, he just doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to you want to hit a streak, you know, you
Speaker 1: want to feel good field goals, and now after his failures,
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, here you come. Someone doesn't
Speaker 1: get a block, and now he gets one tipped, which
Speaker 1: possibly he is going straight down the middle. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't It doesn't do well at all. And I
Speaker 1: think he carried I was talked to him yesterday and
Speaker 1: he didn't stay in the moment on that second attempt.
Speaker 1: I think he carried that miss into that miss and
Speaker 1: you get another miss. Right, So they bring in three
Speaker 1: guys Nick Rose Highland Park High School, kicked at Transferred
Speaker 1: I think, and kicked at Texas, Uh, Tristan Vis Kayano
Speaker 1: and Austin McGinness the last two guys XFL right. Vis
Speaker 1: Kayano kicked preseason with Cincinnati and Austin McGinnis was they
Speaker 1: got him off. He's with the Renegades right now. The
Speaker 1: dais run again. Guy. No, that's the Highland Park kids.
Speaker 1: Nick Rose, and he actually kicked for the Redskins uh,
Speaker 1: and he actually did decently with him uh that year
Speaker 1: that he kicked for it. He came in when um,
Speaker 1: I think it was Hopkins got hurt. Uh. And he
Speaker 1: last kicked for the San Antonio Commando. He stays right
Speaker 1: around the corner, so he's close. He's in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: But what they were doing was kicking tires just to
Speaker 1: see what was out there, because there was no way
Speaker 1: you were going to make a change and tell the
Speaker 1: kid come in here. Okay, two days of practice and
Speaker 1: oh big boy, you're going to Chicago in the win
Speaker 1: and it's going to be thirty to getting the list together.
Speaker 1: So now you've got ten days after this game, and
Speaker 1: if things don't go well the next game, then you
Speaker 1: at least did your homework right. But for my understanding,
Speaker 1: it was kind of windy out there and the kicking
Speaker 1: wasn't real good. Well, it's gonna be windy out there,
Speaker 1: so none of them were really impressive. And I was
Speaker 1: looking at kickoffs and they were struggling. They can't weak.
Speaker 1: Can they reach them? Don't? No, No, go ahead. I
Speaker 1: just wanted they could reach the zone. Yeah, they need,
Speaker 1: they need. They got to get this righted part of it.
Speaker 1: As many offs that too, but as many close games
Speaker 1: as they played, they got to be able to knock
Speaker 1: these field goals in. All right, we are out of
Speaker 1: time already. Yes, thanks to Everson, thanks to Mickey, thanks
Speaker 1: to Kyle producing. The break is next. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: you guys again on Tuesday. This has been a production
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