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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr garbutsch Off. Tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: Sexton with America now with all of you now, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Great to have you

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Speaker 1: by my side. A lot to talk about today, and

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Speaker 1: it's all connected, well not all of it, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. Um. There are, in fact, some explicit

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Speaker 1: otherwise not in any way be pertinent. You could say

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Speaker 1: these are non secutors. They've got nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: Lots of misdirection, lots of obfiscation, trying to muddy the waters,

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Speaker 1: change the subject all the all the political fights right

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Speaker 1: now so interesting. You have major stories today that you

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Speaker 1: can draw links to all of them. You have, of course,

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Speaker 1: the Gorsts confirmation fight, which we will get into in

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Speaker 1: some depth here in just a moment. You have the

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Speaker 1: latest on the Trump Russia surveillance and investigations. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: different stories. There are these threads that are pulled between them. Schumer,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer has explicitly said that they should hold off

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Speaker 1: Let's start. Let's take Gorsage first, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other topics about the show. That meeting

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Speaker 1: We've got we've got so much show and not quite

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Speaker 1: Let's do gorstch nomination first. You've got Schumer out there

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Speaker 1: You see, isn't that quite a cute way of saying

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Speaker 1: that this president isn't even really the president, that he

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Speaker 1: has no right to say that Neil Gorst should be

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Speaker 1: he should really be the president. Right, That's the that's

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Speaker 1: worth it. It's not a problem that we can play

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Speaker 1: audio for you of what these senators, these Democrats, senators

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Speaker 1: That is the most enduring judicial legacy of the Obama

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Speaker 1: Here's what we've got. Trump saying at his weekly weekly

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Speaker 1: And this is what Judge Gorcer's will do. In recent years,

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Speaker 1: about Alto. That's back in two thousand six. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: sounds pretty reasonable in two thousand and six. Now it's oh, no,

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Speaker 1: I can't can't do the Gorsage thing. What's the reasoning

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Speaker 1: is so flimsy, by the way, They've got nothing. They've

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Speaker 1: tried to come up with some objection to him on

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Speaker 1: grounds of impartiality or shady connections to billionaires or and

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Speaker 1: it's so flimsy that it is, uh just no one

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Speaker 1: can really take it seriously. So all they do is

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Speaker 1: talking circles and say, oh, I'm just not gonna do

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Speaker 1: it because because you know, it's it's the rationale changes

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Speaker 1: day in and day out. But look, Democrats started this

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Speaker 1: whole process two thousand three. They filibuster to block mcguelis

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Speaker 1: Strata from the d C circuit. So and then the

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Speaker 1: Damas decided to go nuclear. Okay, well, the Democrats started it,

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Speaker 1: Republicans are going to finish it. Think about what the

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Speaker 1: alternative is here, just for a moment, while we have

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Speaker 1: the John mccains in the world, you know, bemoaning the

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Speaker 1: loss of the Senate as the genteel place where the

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Speaker 1: passions of the House are are chilled out or whatever. Um.

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Speaker 1: The alternative would be the Republicans show that they are

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Speaker 1: just not as committed to victory as the other side,

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Speaker 1: full stop. That's the only way you can come out

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Speaker 1: of this if they're not willing to Democrats are willing

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Speaker 1: to go nuclear if they're And people say, oh, what

449
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Speaker 1: about all the Supreme Court nominees. They didn't have to

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Speaker 1: go new clear because the Republicans said, all right, we'll

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Speaker 1: give up her down votes on these nominees and they

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Speaker 1: got through. So what The only change in anything is

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Speaker 1: being done by Democrats. The only change in fair play

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Speaker 1: to foul play is the result of Democrats on the

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Speaker 1: score Stich nomination. But this is a big one, by

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Speaker 1: the way, if Trump gets this one through, this is

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Speaker 1: a huge check mark on the well, no matter what happens.

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Speaker 1: At least Trump beat Hillary side of the equation. This

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Speaker 1: is a big thumbs up for the administration if he

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Speaker 1: gets through, and they'll, I think, go a long way

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Speaker 1: to make people think that there's some some goodwill for

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, even amongst even amongst some never trumpers.

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Speaker 1: I know, I think there would be a willingness to say, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: that was a good thing that happened. We can celebrate that.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about noonez and see

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it right now. It was explained to me

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Speaker 1: that that was the way to say it. By the

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Speaker 1: way it has to do. I never took Spanish in school.

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Speaker 1: I took French, Arabic and German. Believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, buck is it's been uh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: it been do do uh? No, I got nothing. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna gend to say, I'm the bus drivers. I

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Speaker 1: think I remember that, but I even forgot that. My

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Speaker 1: German was terrible. My Arabic is pretty bad too. French

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Speaker 1: I was okay, as you know, I like to do

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Speaker 1: the French accents. What was I saying to you? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I never took Spanish, so I'm not good at the

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Speaker 1: Spanish words, but noonez we will talk about that and

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Speaker 1: the Susan Rice component of all of this, No one

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Speaker 1: seems to care. Can I Can I just preview this

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Speaker 1: before we go into the break Here, you have arguably

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Speaker 1: the most partisan, least trusted former Obama administration national security

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Speaker 1: official allegedly is the one who would have been abusing

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Speaker 1: her authority. It's not necessarily illegal, but it is an

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Speaker 1: abusive authority. It would certainly require someone to be brought

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Speaker 1: up in an ethics investigation and fired if this were true,

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Speaker 1: abusing her authority for the purposes of undermining, embarrassing, and

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Speaker 1: possibly toppling the Trump administration. And no one seems to care.

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Speaker 1: And most of the media, how is that possible? Everyone?

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Speaker 1: I keep seeing stories that don't matter to I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: a story about a meeting with like UH in the

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Speaker 1: Seychelles with Erik Prince or something. How is that as

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Speaker 1: big a story as this? It's not, is it? Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about this one? So what is the bigger story?

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Speaker 1: The possibility that former General Flynn will get immunity to

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Speaker 1: testify before the House or the Senate Intelligence Committee UH,

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Speaker 1: or that a former Obama official may have abused her

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Speaker 1: authority to spread as far as possible within the government

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Speaker 1: the names that she requested to be unmasked. That reportedly,

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Speaker 1: and again I don't say reportedly or allegedly because I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to hedge or it's I haven't seen this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. All I know is what as being reported.

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Speaker 1: We should get confirmation. I'd like this. These dueling investigations,

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Speaker 1: well they're they're dueling. And there's the dual investigations of

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Speaker 1: Russia Trump conspiracy and surveillance of Trump and his associates.

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Speaker 1: Those are two investigations that are under the same broad umbrella,

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Speaker 1: but they're really two different investigations. And then you also

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Speaker 1: have the House Intelligence Committee investigation, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation,

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Speaker 1: whatever the FBI is up to these days as well.

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Speaker 1: I would like them to start getting us information that

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Speaker 1: can be confirmed. This can neither confirm nor deny. Stuff

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Speaker 1: starts to starts to get a little annoying after a while.

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Speaker 1: When these are issues of national importance, there are major

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Speaker 1: political consequences, perhaps even more than just political consequences. I

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Speaker 1: would like to know what's real and what's not. Here's

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Speaker 1: what's reported today. Sure, many of you have seen, but

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Speaker 1: just to get into this a little bit so we're

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Speaker 1: on the same page, and then I'll give you my

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Speaker 1: sense of what all this means and where it's going.

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Speaker 1: You have Eli lag over at Bloomberg as well as

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Speaker 1: Fox News reporting that National Security Advisor Susan Rice quote

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Speaker 1: request and unmasked raw intelligence information about members of the

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign and transition team, and Fox News is Adam

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Speaker 1: house the reports the top members of the Obama aministration

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Speaker 1: saw Rice's requested information. According to house Ley, we know

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Speaker 1: that there was incidental collection of information on Trump and

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Speaker 1: his team for up to a year before the inauguration.

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Speaker 1: That information was disseminated through n s A channels. It's unprecedented,

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Speaker 1: I'm told the way this was done house They explained.

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Speaker 1: He added, what I'm told is that when these reports

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Speaker 1: came out, names were there, and that's basically unprecedented. This

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Speaker 1: unmasked information, these names of Americans who have done nothing wrong,

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Speaker 1: was disseminated to all of NFC, on all of the

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Speaker 1: National Security Council, some of the Department of Defense. Rice

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Speaker 1: knew about this, possibly as well. So you have a

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Speaker 1: report today, and I would really like there to be

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Speaker 1: confirmation of this one way or another. But you have

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Speaker 1: a report out there today that Susan Rice she of

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Speaker 1: this was a protest about Benghazi. Remember that this was

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Speaker 1: a protest. We don't know if it's terrorism. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: can actually let's see if we can grab that sound

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Speaker 1: by just to play, just to refresh everybody's memory of

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Speaker 1: Susan Rice on the Sunday talk shows after the Benghazi incident.

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Speaker 1: I remember she she was not. This was not a

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Speaker 1: moment where she was chastened afterwards. No, she she took

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Speaker 1: one for the Obama team, and so they rewarded her afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Remember that was at a critical juncture for Obama's re

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Speaker 1: election campaign against Mitt Romney. Right, it was September, right

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Speaker 1: before the election of and she went out on the

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Speaker 1: Sunday shows and said stuff that we did find doubt.

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Speaker 1: And the subsequent investigations of Benghazi we found out that

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Speaker 1: she lied. That she knew and by the way, anybody

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Speaker 1: who wasn't an imbecile knew that what she was saying

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Speaker 1: was a lie, just based on what had happened. Right,

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Speaker 1: there was a protest. No, it obviously wasn't a protest

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Speaker 1: um not a lot of protesters walking around with kalashnikovs

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Speaker 1: and RPGs in coordinated fashion, knowing about multiple target locations anyway.

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Speaker 1: But that's who Susan Rice is. So if you're looking

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Speaker 1: for somebody from the Obama administration who has a reputation

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Speaker 1: for being for for first and foremost, a partisan, somebody

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Speaker 1: who above all else seems loyal to the left, to

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, instead of her position, her very senior position,

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Speaker 1: very trusted position at the top of the national security

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Speaker 1: apparatus in this country, I don't think you could do

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Speaker 1: much better than Susan Rice if you're looking for somebody

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Speaker 1: who fits that description. And now they get into the well,

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of different versions of the defense

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Speaker 1: mechanism you will see first. By the way, and this

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Speaker 1: this translates into much of the frustration that people see

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Speaker 1: in our willingness to abide by Trump's off the cuff

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Speaker 1: re marks about much of the media. How is this

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Speaker 1: not a huge news story? Only two new sources that

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Speaker 1: I've seen have really covered it. There was a description

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Speaker 1: of it on CNN, and I'll get into that later

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Speaker 1: tonight on Jake Tapper Show. I watched part of the

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Speaker 1: interview um that did everything possible to make this seem

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Speaker 1: like it was mundane standard, totally nothing to see here, folks,

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Speaker 1: if there's anything to even talk about in the first place,

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Speaker 1: that is the media approach to this. Well, let's just

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Speaker 1: dig into the allegation for a second here before we

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Speaker 1: get into the defenses. The allegation is that Susan Rice,

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Speaker 1: who has access to anything she wants to see as

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Speaker 1: national security advisor in the United States govern right, that

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Speaker 1: Susan Rice was somehow requesting time and again that information

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Speaker 1: about Trump, his family or senior Trump officials would no

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Speaker 1: longer be protected. You see, they had these procedures in

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Speaker 1: place about intelligence collection to protect people in this country,

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Speaker 1: protect US persons from exactly this kind of situation. The

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Speaker 1: allegation is that she requested many times, we don't have

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Speaker 1: a we don't have a number yet, but that she

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Speaker 1: requested um that the names be shared or shown in

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Speaker 1: the reports. They were shown and then shared. Uh, And

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Speaker 1: this would start to raise a lot of questions like

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Speaker 1: why is this information? Why is this information that she

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Speaker 1: felt she needed to have. Now, you could also say, well, buck,

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Speaker 1: if this was initially information that was redacted from a

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Speaker 1: report and she requested it, how could she know, Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe she knew from the context of what the information

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Speaker 1: was and she just wanted it to be official. But

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Speaker 1: then you'd also wonder, well, that's unusual. You're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to really do that. This now falls under the category

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Speaker 1: of discretion. And I would point out to those who

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Speaker 1: are making the case, as many are right now, that

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Speaker 1: this is not an issue at all that they won't

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Speaker 1: say whether or not it's true that Susan Rice as

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Speaker 1: National Security advisor did this. And by the way, is

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Speaker 1: anyone really unable to connect the dots between the sharing

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Speaker 1: of information like this that allegedly Susan Rice was unmasking names,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden later on you have

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Speaker 1: General Flynn and information goes to Washington Post about his

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Speaker 1: own call to a Russian ambassador. I mean, you know, so,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like this happened without consequence to anyone.

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Speaker 1: And that's the only actual crime that anyone has been

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Speaker 1: able to point you yet of any kind whatsoever in

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: all of this Trump Russia stuff, with the leaking to

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post about the Flint phone call, that's the

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Speaker 1: only one. And if you're okay with that, then you're

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Speaker 1: just a complete partisan hack. I mean, if you're okay

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Speaker 1: with that. You don't care about civil liberties, you don't

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Speaker 1: care about constitutional protections. You just hate Trump and all

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Speaker 1: of his enablers so much that anything they do to

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Speaker 1: defeat Trump is okay with you. Right, And it's completely

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Speaker 1: unacceptable what happened there. But you'll notice that the same

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Speaker 1: people are making this case now that oh well, even

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Speaker 1: if the unmasking did happen many times involving Trump and

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Speaker 1: people around Trump, Uh, this falls under the broad discretion

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Speaker 1: that the National curt Advisor and some other senior officials

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Speaker 1: would have. Okay, were they abusing that discretion? And why

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Speaker 1: were they using the discretion at all in these cases?

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Speaker 1: And where can we follow this train of information to

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Speaker 1: figure out who else had it? Because I think that's

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Speaker 1: the only way we actually might get to a prosecution. Here,

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Speaker 1: we've got more on this. I'll be right back. He

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Speaker 1: spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna spread itself, Buck

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Speaker 1: sext in his back. Here's what the Washington Post thinks

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Speaker 1: is worth worth talking with today. A big story here.

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Speaker 1: They report that the Blackwater Blackwater founder Eric Prince held

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Speaker 1: secret Saychell's meeting to establish Trump putin back channel UH,

639
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Speaker 1: and then they go into the details here. Now, there

640
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: is nothing about this that is official. Um, there's nothing

641
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: about this that is illegal. There's nothing about this that

642
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: I find all that interesting. It more or less comes

643
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: down to some emirades, some officials from the United Arab

644
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Emirates met with Erik Prince, who founded Blackwater UH and

645
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: a a Russian guy in the Seychelles to talk about

646
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: well their relationship and how they could be constructive going forward.

647
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: And you know, who knows what else. Prince is not

648
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: a government official. He owns a private company, obviously most

649
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: well known for Blackwater, which has since changed its name

650
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: because of well a lot of trouble from the Iraq

651
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: War and elsewhere. But this is not to me, this

652
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: is evidence of what exactly. Even if let's just say

653
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: this was all true for a moment, what would this

654
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: mean that the Trump administration was friendly or some people

655
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: in the Trump administration Trump himself, Bannon, who knows friendly

656
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: with a guy who has international security contacts all of

657
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: the world, and it's very obviously very connected and powerful

658
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: Erik Prince and wanted to see about whether he could

659
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Speaker 1: be a back channel for communications to Russia in an

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00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: effort to, as this piece says, UH pull Russia away

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Speaker 1: from Iran, UH and specifically pull Russia away from assisting

662
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: the Iranians in Syria. Isn't Isn't that that would be

663
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: a worthwhile endeavor, wouldn't it? What would be the problem here?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand where the sellout comes here, Where the

665
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: big moment of of treason happens, you know, implied or

666
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: otherwise by the news meaning I don't see it. I'm

667
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm still looking for it. I don't see it. A

668
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of stories today, but so this is they're doing

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Speaker 1: this story. I'm just I want to make sure that

670
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Speaker 1: I'm not leading you astray here. I'm pretty sure there's

671
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Speaker 1: still nothing on Susan Rice on the front Nope, nothing

672
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: on the front page of the Washington Post about Susan Rice.

673
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't I don't feel we need to talk about this

674
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: at all. So that's one way to handle this, right

675
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: That's one method of dealing with this information that is

676
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 1: not particularly helpful for the Democrat party. Right now, Let's

677
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: just let me put out some possibilities. Let's get let's

678
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: turn our eyes for a moment here to the Susan

679
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: Rice situation. I know, we've got Jason Chavitz out there

680
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: is talking a lot. A lot of these is getting

681
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: a lot of airplay on Flynn today and not a

682
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: lot of talk about A lot of talking about Flynn

683
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: and New Nez, but not a lot of talk about

684
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Speaker 1: Susan Rice. Isn't that interesting? Um? But there are a

685
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: few ways that this is discussed right now. For one,

686
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: you have this on CNN just before we came on air.

687
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: They're saying that unmasking this is one of the story.

688
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: This is one of the talking points. By the way,

689
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: listen for this. You will hear this from people. Unmasking

690
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: is not leaking or unmasking is not illegal some variation

691
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: of that play clip nineteen police difference between spying on

692
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: and unmasking certainly. I mean, what's clear, Uh, the implication

693
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: from these stories is that the President Obama, Susan Rice

694
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: uh specifically targeted Trump administration advisors during the campaign to

695
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: surveil them. In effect, what in fact happened is that

696
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: these were Russian officials that were gathered up in routine

697
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: and intelligence collected collection and they were either talking about

698
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: at times Trump administration officials, and even when you're talking

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00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: about someone in these Trump campaign Trump Trump can tramp

700
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: campaign or transition officials. Even if you're talking about him,

701
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: that name is masked, and intelligence reports or possibly Trump

702
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: campaign officials might have been on the other end of

703
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: the line and those would be unmasked as well. So

704
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: of course, first he talked about talking about Trump officials. Uh, okay,

705
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: let's assume that that's what that's all true, that this

706
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: was just you know, Russian A talking to Russian B.

707
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: And you know Thromp did and throne the throne all this. Uh,

708
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: they're talking about Trump or they're talking about batting, you know,

709
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, a bet there's strong Like I don't know

710
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: whatever they're saying. I don't think they said that. But

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00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: whatever they're saying, Uh, why would they Why why the

712
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: unmasking of a U S person's name and that, what's

713
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: the justification for it. It's not Yeah, they have discretion

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Speaker 1: to do it. Susan Rice would have the discretion to

715
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: do it. But the whole reason that there is masking

716
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: is to protect the identity of people that are caught

717
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: up in intelligence collection that are not supposed to be

718
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: because they're they have privacy rights and they have constitutional

719
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: rights to not be spied on by their own government,

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00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: intentional or otherwise. So what someone explained that to me? Oh,

721
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: these intrepid journalists, we just saw Jake Tapper talking to

722
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: uh Jim Shooter there on scene and their senior nasal

723
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: security correspondent. Does one of them want to offer to

724
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: me a theory as too? In what universe? Is a

725
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: Russian talking to another Russian about some member of the

726
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: Trump team worthy of of releasing that person's name and

727
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: then distributing it around the communities they can hear? Could it?

728
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: Could it be that the motivation behind that was to

729
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: embarrass because I don't know what was said, but is

730
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: that at least possible? What's the other motivation for? It's

731
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: so fascinating that this is going on that they just

732
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: felt the need to unmask. So that's one aspect of this.

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Speaker 1: And then he also says on the other end of

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Speaker 1: the line, so then we are talking about somebody who's

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00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: a U S person, whether it's Trump family or a

736
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: Trump official, who's on the line and they request in

737
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: unmasking of the name. Well, let's just be clear about this.

738
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Speaker 1: You know, if you have the the mosaic key or

739
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: of lots of different communications as Susan Rice would have.

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00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: Was she able to figure out that it was most

741
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: likely this Trump person or that Trump person on whatever,

742
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: you know? Because who was the I don't know who's

743
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: on the other end of this call. But keep in

744
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: mind that she was asking for these unmaskings for some reason,

745
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: and that's not standard operating procedure. So why And I

746
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: would want to ask this question too? In trepid journalist

747
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: should pay attention, you know, they're so honest and forthread

748
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: and down the center and all this stuff. Were there

749
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: other people who just had this amazing knack for requesting

750
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: the unmasking of Trump or Trump official names in these

751
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: classified communications. I'd like to know. I'd like to see

752
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: if if it just was a a massive coincidence that

753
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: time and time again, Susan Rice wants Trump or Trump

754
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: names included in these reports to be distributed around the

755
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: intelligence community, but like other senior intelligence officials, didn't think

756
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: it was that important, didn't care. Wouldn't that be a

757
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: worthwhile question to ask? Would wouldn't you want to know

758
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: what The answer to that is, No, No, we don't.

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00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: We don't get that. Let's talk more about Erik Prince's

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00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: meeting in the say shells with some shakes and a

761
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: Russian dude, because that's really important. No, no even allegation

762
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: of impropriety, illegality, nothing, not even not even it's a

763
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: Hatch Act violation or oh it's a Logan Act violation.

764
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: They can't even throw that out. There's nothing. Guy's aled

765
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: to sit and talk to people. By the way, peeling

766
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Russia away from Iran in Syria and peeling Russia away

767
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: from Ran in general, it would be an incredibly worthy

768
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: and worthwhile foreign policy objective. Side note, so that that

769
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: was the purpose of that meeting. The Washington Post is

770
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: writing about if Erik Prince could pull that off, could

771
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: could help pull that off? The guy deserves a medal.

772
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Speaker 1: But I digress. Then you get into this sorry play

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Speaker 1: the rest of the of the CNN clip if you

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Speaker 1: wuld clip nineteen. I've spoken to several former intelligence officials

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00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: who've worked and I should note this for both Democrats

776
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: and Republican administrations, and they say, based on what they know,

777
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: this unmasking, if it happened, would not be out of bounds.

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Speaker 1: A few points here, one on masking, what does that mean? Now?

779
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Of bounds? Better better word? To use or a word

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Speaker 1: i'd want tower. Is it unusual? Was it unusual that

781
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Susan Rice was doing this out of bounds? To me?

782
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Is trying to rely on the fact that it's not

783
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: technically illegal. But there are a lot of things that

784
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: the government can do. There are a lot of things

785
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the executive branch can do that, while not necessarily technically illegal,

786
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: strike all of us as kind of funny and not

787
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: in a good way. There are a lot of things

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Speaker 1: the executive branch, in fact, in recent years and the

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00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: era of the War on Terror, has done that are

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00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: strictly speaking, I suppose legal. I mean, look at some

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00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: of the drone strike policies of the United States government

792
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: in recent years. Strictly speaking, I suppose it's legal under

793
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: war powers. But we've we've been pushing the limits there,

794
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: haven't we. An administration, the obdministration in some cases it

795
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: didn't even want to talk about some of the drone

796
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: strikes that had occurred, even after they had been written

797
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: about in the press because of some of the very

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00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: difficult issues they raised. So what's legal and what's ethical

799
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: or what's legal and what is a massive political problem

800
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: or not the same thing? And that you may have

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00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: had somebody acting under national security auspices Susan Rice in

802
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: this case for purely political purposes. Again, I can't prove it,

803
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: but I got questions. That is worthy of a whole

804
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: lot more attention than it's getting. But to say it's

805
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: not out of bounds as to say it's not illegal, okay,

806
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Well you know what else is not illegal? Uh? If

807
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: a if a prosecutor just decided or I'm sorry forget

808
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: about a prosecutor, the president could just pardon whomever he wants, right.

809
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: But if the president ran around, uh, pardoning every terrorist

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00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: let's say that was locked up in federal prison in

811
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: this country, people will started asking some questions. They wouldn't

812
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: be okay with that, And you'd say, well, Buck, that's

813
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: within his power. Yeah, that's within You know, if if

814
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Speaker 1: Obama had run around pardoning every terrorist. By the way,

815
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to partning terrorists, that's really more of

816
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: a Clinton thing. Go back and learn about how Hillary Clinton,

817
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: when she needed to win a Senate seat in New York,

818
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: made sure that Bill Clinton pardoned uh members of a

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rican terrorist group involved in a bombing that killed

820
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: people trying to have luncheon down to Manhattan. But you know,

821
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Speaker 1: the Clintons are really ethical people. It's such a shame

822
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's not the president of the United States. Makes

823
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: me so sad. But the president could go around partnering

824
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: every terrorist. He could have done that, but we would

825
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: want to know that while it's within his authority, it

826
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't be justifiable, and we would want to hold

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Speaker 1: him accountable. If Obama had done that a word trumpeted

828
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Speaker 1: out now, I mean if any president of that, we

829
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Speaker 1: would want to But it is strictly speaking legal. The

830
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Speaker 1: president can pardon anyone, full stop. President can do it.

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Speaker 1: So okay, Now we're in a position where you can

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Speaker 1: have the requested unmasking of names, and we're supposed to

833
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: believe that that's just fine. Okay, Well, there are some

834
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Speaker 1: other questions I would want to answer it here, like

835
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Speaker 1: did this happen to Obama and Obama officials before? I'm

836
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Speaker 1: sure they have records of this. I mean, they have

837
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Speaker 1: a record of every every email you've sent on Yahoo

838
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Speaker 1: and Gmail and your private server. The internet companies have

839
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Speaker 1: that stretching back since you, you know, had an a

840
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Speaker 1: o L user name and you were like chatting with

841
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Speaker 1: people that your favorite sports team on comput serve. I mean,

842
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Speaker 1: all that stuff is still there. I'm pretty sure the

843
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Speaker 1: National security apparatus could figure out whether there was all

844
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Speaker 1: of this requested unmasking by a senior opposition political figure

845
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Speaker 1: during the course of an election. Did any Bush officials

846
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: asked to hear about communications involving senior Obama officials? You say, oh, back, well,

847
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have known. If it's masked, you can maybe

848
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Speaker 1: they can tell from the context, and maybe they wanted

849
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Speaker 1: the names to be included in the reports for reasons

850
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: of embarrassment, for reasons. If I don't know, we'd have

851
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: to see what the communications were. But this is a

852
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: big story everybody. This should matter. The media should care

853
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: about this, to either verify or disprove. And yet nothing

854
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: deafening silence, nothing for most of them. I want to

855
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: talk about it. The defense that something is not necessarily

856
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: illegal is not a defense of its propriety. It's not

857
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: to say that it's just okay. And think about what

858
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: the president would be here. You may have a member

859
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: of the opposition political party for an incoming well at

860
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: the time, a presidential election that everybody believe was going

861
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: to go to the Democrats anyway. But why the sharing

862
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: of this information all the within the government, Why the

863
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: change in Obama, Why the Obama mandated change in the

864
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: sharing of how raw intelligence gets sent around with the

865
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: national security uh complex. Why we have former Obama officials

866
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: coming on TV saying, as Evelyn Farcas did, that they

867
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: were worried and so they were making sure they shared

868
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: all those information as broadly as possible. They keep saying,

869
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: they're so worried about these communications. And there's all these

870
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: implications about this, and Susan Rice must have been worried

871
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: about something. If she was ordering this unmasking, why did

872
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: she need to know everybody? What was she trying to

873
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: figure out? If it was just mundane conversations of CNN

874
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: that's what they're trying, oh totemunday and no problem here

875
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: at all, not out of bounds, not illegal, then why

876
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: did Susan Rice want to know? Why did she need

877
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: to see the names? Again? Assuming that's true, do we

878
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: have any answers to that? It seems increasingly likely to

879
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: me that what happened was that there were so much

880
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: hatred in some quarters of the national security apparatus in

881
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: this country that at the very top, I mean, the

882
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: political appointee level of national security in this country, whether

883
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: it's d O, J, n SC, wherever. There was so

884
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: much animosity and hatred towards Trump that some of them,

885
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't know who exactly yet thought that if they

886
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: just did everything they could to get information on Trump.

887
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: They thought that Trump and his associates were dirty. Maybe

888
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: they really believed there was some Russia conspiracy going on,

889
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: and so they played fast and loose with the rules

890
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: and they abused their discretion, and then somebody leaked illegally

891
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: to a paper about what happened with Flynn and Kisliak.

892
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: But you know what, at the end of the day,

893
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: they didn't get anything. They don't have anything, and so

894
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: now they're just desperate to run out the clock on

895
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: all of this before people realize that this all just

896
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: may have been one partisan hit shop, the whole thing.

897
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: And they abused their national security powers to do anything

898
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: in their power to try to hurt trumpet his people,

899
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: and it didn't even work. They didn't find anything. Wouldn't

900
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: that be an interesting state of affairs? All right, we're

901
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: gonna hit a break well grant back, Welcome back, team,

902
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: phone lines are open here in the Freedom Hunt eight

903
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: four four, nine to eight to five, we have Andrew

904
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: in Mississippi. You are on the Bucks Action Show, sir, Welcome,

905
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: Hey Buck. I just wanted to make a point that UM,

906
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: to me, practically speaking, there doesn't seem to be much

907
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: difference between incidental collection with unmasking and actual spine. It

908
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: seems to me that if UM, whoever it may be

909
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: in the Amba administration, wanted to actually collick his information

910
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: or his associates information in him being Trump and maintain

911
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: plausible deniability, they could just dragging that up everybody who

912
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: they thought he might be talking to and then unmask

913
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: him after the fact. Well that's you, sir. Are your

914
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: your question here rather your your statements? Very astute. Our

915
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: friend Annie McCarthy, who comes on the show in a

916
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: regular basis, who's one of the few federal prosecutors who's

917
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: really dealt with very high level terrorism cases and as

918
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: he said here on the show and FISA and understands

919
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: all the different ins and outs of how from a

920
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: legal perspective, how that works, says that his concern in

921
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: the past was, or rather his his feeling the past

922
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: was it would be difficult to abuse FISA for such

923
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: a purpose. But now he's been saying, maybe this is

924
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: what's actually been happening here. I mean, think about this,

925
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: if you if there are some people are being so

926
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: blase about this whole thing, you know, oh you know

927
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: there's just this collection and it's also normal. I don't

928
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: know where does where does that stop and start? Uh?

929
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: If if is there any limit to one? I mean,

930
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: if unmasking is purely a function of discretion, well what

931
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: if we just a cyb We're gonna unmask unmasked first,

932
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: asked questions later, you know. I mean that that to

933
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: me seems like a very real question to ask what

934
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: protections are really in place if it's just mere curiosity.

935
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, there are legal standards, for example for US citizens,

936
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: which I know is different in the criminal criminal procedure

937
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: for when you can get different information. I went through

938
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: this process at the NYPD sometimes with uh, we're trying

939
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: to find a you know, we need to look up

940
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: information doesn't have to be just part of an investigation.

941
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: Do we need to have a reasonable suspicion of crime

942
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: was committed? I mean, there are these standards. Now it's

943
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: not perfect, but you have to articulate it. What's the

944
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: standard for you know, uh, the standard that Susan Rice

945
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: was using for unmasking. Now they may say that they

946
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: won't talk about these standards publicly, and they won't talk

947
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: about Susan Rice and what she did here publicly, but

948
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna leave us with a lot of questions that

949
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: are still unanswered. Andrew, there, I was, Oh, hello, sir,

950
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: I am, I am. I just wanted to make that point.

951
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: I figured you could expand upon that distinction a little

952
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: better than I could, but it just came to my mind.

953
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you, look absolutely, Andrew, thank you for

954
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: calling in. And while I was ring up, what Andy

955
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: said here on the show was that it is clearly possible,

956
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: because he has he has written about it, and you

957
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: can just play this out in your head. It is

958
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: clearly possible to come up with a A or used

959
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: national security collection methods as a pretext to get information

960
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: on certain us u S citizens and as a huge

961
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: end run to any constitutional protections they would have. It's

962
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: clearly possible to come up with a way of doing that. Uh.

963
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: And no one in a civil liberties, constitutional protection all that,

964
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: none of that matters let's let's talk more about whether

965
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Flynn is going to get him immunity for his testimony,

966
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: because that's a favorite subject of the media. And look,

967
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: I will talk to you about that a few minutes.

968
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: But notice how we've talked about the Susan Rice angle

969
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: to this first, because anybody who's being honest, we'll tell

970
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: you that's a much bigger story. He's an x c I,

971
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: a officer who knows how to outsmart the enemies of

972
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: liberty have very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton with

973
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: America Now Team your mission, should you choose to accept it,

974
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: call the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred, Buck make

975
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: contact the plessure under hostile Surveillance to A to five.

976
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, team. We've got Heather Wilhelm on

977
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: the line. She's a nasher of View Columists and a

978
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: senior contributor contributor for the Federalists. Heather, great to have you, Hey,

979
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: great to be on. So let's go through some of

980
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: the some of the big stuff from today. First off,

981
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: the Schumer position on Gorst will the Democrat position on

982
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: Gorse overall untenable to anybody who is acquainted with recent

983
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: Democrats shenanigans over appointees and judges and everything else. But

984
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: they don't really care, do they saying it's saying it's hypocrisy,

985
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: it's hypocritical. They're not going to care about that, Oh,

986
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: not at all, you know. And we all know how

987
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: exactly how this is going to play out, right, and

988
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: I think Schumer knows exactly how it's going to play out. Um,

989
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I'd say the treatment of course it's

990
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: in the media is a great example of what I

991
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: speak about in my piece, which is endless hyperbole. It's

992
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: the end of the world all the time. Yeah, that

993
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be stopping at all. By the way,

994
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: I thought that maybe there would be. They would realize

995
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: it was more effective if there were some stop and

996
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: start to it. Like not everything could be the end

997
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: of the world with Trump. But in fact, many people

998
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: who think of themselves in media as as trusted, uh

999
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: elite journalists who are who are just all about the

1000
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: facts and the truth. Everything Trump does is hitler. Everything

1001
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: Trump does is the end of the world, and that

1002
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: has not changed really at all. And in fact, I

1003
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: know people that think of themselves as various stute observers

1004
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: who really believe and they won't necessarily say this publicly,

1005
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: but they're in media and they believe that at the

1006
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: end of this uh, Donald Trump is going or one

1007
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: of his most senior visors is going to prison for treason.

1008
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: They really think that that's going to happen. Well, what's

1009
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: amazing about that? You know, there's two things here I

1010
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: keep thinking of. There's that Calvin Coolidge quote and he says,

1011
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you see ten troubles coming down the road,

1012
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: you can be sure you know about nine of them

1013
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: are going to run into the ditch before they hit you.

1014
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: And I picture the media every day. They're like Indiana

1015
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: Jones with this big boulder coming after him. And it's

1016
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: every single issue, every single tweet, everything thing that happens

1017
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: with the Trump administration. It's exhausting. You know, you can't

1018
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: even follow it. Um. But what's also hilarious about this,

1019
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: And you know, you see a lot of uh media

1020
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: people openly salivating for impeachment. And you know what's amazing

1021
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: about that is it's like, guys, then you're gonna end

1022
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: up with Mike Pence, who just this week has become

1023
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: the worst person in the world. Right, you know, the

1024
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: whole bruhaha about Mike Pence's dinner habits. Um he you know,

1025
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: did that tiebreaker regarding planned parenthood. The media exploded, that's

1026
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: the end of healthcare, right, That's the end of life

1027
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: as we know it. So I find it interesting to

1028
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: see that they can't see a step beyond. You know,

1029
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: let's just pretend your fantasy comes true and Trump is impeached.

1030
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: You got Mike Pence, who you're going to be hysterical about,

1031
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: and everything he does is going to be the end

1032
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: of the world. So, you know, I almost feel like

1033
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: this isn't exclusive to Trump. Um, I feel like this

1034
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: treatment would probably be be happening with the President Rubio,

1035
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: President Walker, just maybe to a Lately, I thought that

1036
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: some of the some of the early analysis, including from

1037
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: a few honest Democrats and leftists, was was particularly of note,

1038
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: and that is they said, look the part of the

1039
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: problem here, and why a lot of Republicans, myself included,

1040
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: just just don't want to hear it at all about

1041
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: how Trump is hitler, Like I don't even I'm not

1042
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: even giving this like a hearing. It's not even not

1043
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: even give at the time of day. Because Romney Romney

1044
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: wanted old people to die and gave people cancer and

1045
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: was a Robert Baron who you know, ran ran over

1046
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: poor people in his you know, may Bok for fun.

1047
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's what they mean. Romney's like the nicest,

1048
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: most clean cut guy one can imagine, and they made

1049
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: him into a comic book villain. So I agree that

1050
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: they'd be doing this about about anybody, but with trumpet

1051
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: it has actually reached a point where they seem to

1052
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: think that Trump is going to create nuclear war and

1053
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: and actually destroyed the world. Like it's not just bad

1054
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: for America Trump is. There were earlier last week there

1055
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: were a tweet about how this is Trump's Trump's grand

1056
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: plan here with climate change is to is to eliminate

1057
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: the human race. That today is the day that the

1058
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: beginning of the end of the human race happened. This

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Speaker 1: was from people with like large followings. It's it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the title of my piece was it's

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Speaker 1: the end of the world and then in parentheses again.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen a number of stories that, like you said,

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Speaker 1: the New York Times had a very serious, straight faced

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Speaker 1: editorial about how the world was going to end because

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Speaker 1: Trump basically recalled a bunch of Obama climate policy provisions, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, weren't going to do anything anyway. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting and sad, right because I go

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Speaker 1: to dinner with people, and I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: friends of different political persuasions, and to a t every

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Speaker 1: single person I've asked about it, they say, look, how

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Speaker 1: I don't even pay attention anymore. I'm tuning out, um,

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Speaker 1: which is a real shame, because there are things that

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Speaker 1: are important to be paying attention to, and it is

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Speaker 1: important for the media to hold government accountable, to hold

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Speaker 1: the president accountable, but they've gone off the rails and

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Speaker 1: as a result, people are just tuning out. Where were

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Speaker 1: you on the American Healthcare Act? By the way, I

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Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to have you on the show

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Speaker 1: during that whole debacle, But what did you think of

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Speaker 1: the bill and how all that went down? I was like, Republicans,

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Speaker 1: you had one job. Yeah, this is why we Republicans,

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Speaker 1: this is why we can't have nice things. That's what

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking, Yes, yes, And you know, at a

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Speaker 1: certain point, you know, it's very exasperating being a Republican.

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Speaker 1: And that was one of the examples, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was very strange too, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: people you know, have talked about, oh, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: the showman, right, you know, that's how he became. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was the host of The Apprentice. He can put

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Speaker 1: on a good show. This is the worst show on earth.

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Speaker 1: You know. It was something that was jammed through. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Paul Ryan Um has had seven years

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01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: to prepare for this. It's it's a disaster. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was very disappointing, and it's also very sad because

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01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: this is something that is hugely important to people and

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01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: it's hugely important that Republicans get this right. So yes,

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a complete debacle. Um. Whether they'll

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Speaker 1: be able to remedy or that that are not, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the Republicans uh manning up

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01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: pardon the microaggression and uh deciding that they're going to

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Speaker 1: go forward no matter what and put Gorsage through. Do

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Speaker 1: you have doubts? By the way, if they if they

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Speaker 1: don't do this, I'm done with them. If they don't

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Speaker 1: put Gorsage through, I'm going on GOP strike. You know. Yeah,

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01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: that this is another you had one job moment. But

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Speaker 1: then again, you know this is this is the problem

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Speaker 1: with the government right now. Whatever powers we're going to

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Speaker 1: give to Trump, whatever powers the Congress is going to

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Speaker 1: give itself, whatever rule changes, that's gonna that's gonna hit

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Speaker 1: back when the Democrats get the majority. Right. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I really think that one of the things you

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Speaker 1: notice with all these the world are ending pieces that

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: you see are just this overinflated sense of what the

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Speaker 1: government should be doing in our lives, what the government

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: is doing in our lives. You know, you get the

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01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: you get the sense that if the government were to

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: shut down for one day, you know, all the plants

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: with wilt and we'd fall over. Um. So all over

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Speaker 1: the media, there's this sense that we're just hugely depending

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Speaker 1: on this government. It's huge, it's hugely important. But no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a bit of a sham. It's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a farce. Um. So, yes, I want to see,

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Speaker 1: Courseu's confirmed. I think he'd you know, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: not alone. Everyone thinks he's he will be an excellent candidate.

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Speaker 1: But of course there's a there's some dangerous territory we're

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Speaker 1: getting into as well, you know, I mean, Harry Reid

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Speaker 1: pulled this off back in his day it you know,

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Speaker 1: but don't you think it's it's isn't it possible to

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Speaker 1: make the case? And maybe this is a back of

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Speaker 1: a backwards way of me making the case that as

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Speaker 1: shoot as Harry Reid. As soon as you did it

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: for lower court, uh nominees, it was just a question

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Speaker 1: of when it would happen for the Supreme Court. I

1134
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: don't think it was once that they they you know,

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01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: broke this, broke this, damn. It was just a matter

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Speaker 1: of time before the whole thing came down. Yeah, you're

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01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: not going to put the horse back in the barn.

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Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely right. Um. So you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the high dudgeon that you see from Democrats

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01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: about this is again, you know, a very bad show. Um.

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Speaker 1: But they can't even come up with why they don't

1142
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: like Corsie. That's the other you know, it's it's not

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01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: even like in the Bork era. They're like, to do

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01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: you know what this guy rents on video? We like

1145
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: rated his blockbuster video. You know they actually did that

1146
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: if I remember, which is just insane. Um. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't even have that. They're just like, yeah, he's

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01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, Corsage man stuff. He's not Merrick Garland. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's basically you know what we're what we're

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01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: dealing with. And um so yes, if, if, if we

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Speaker 1: can get a good Supreme Court justice out of this,

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Speaker 1: that would be absolutely marvelous. But the amount of shenanigans

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: and hypocrisy we're seeing on Capitol Hill right now is

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: quite something to behold. And now onto the other big

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: story today. This is Eli Lakes bombshell piece in Bloomberg

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01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: Top Obama. A top Obama advisor sought names of Trump

1157
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Speaker 1: associates in intel. Here's how it goes. White House lawyers

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Speaker 1: last month learned that the former National Security Advisor Susan

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Speaker 1: Rice requested the identities of US persons in raw intelligence

1160
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump transition and campaign. According to US officials familiar with

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Speaker 1: the matter end quote, that seems like a big deal

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Speaker 1: to me, Heather, what do you That seems like something

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Speaker 1: that's worthy of discussion. You know, I have been trying

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01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: so hard, you know, I have been very grudgingly following

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Speaker 1: this story right which has been unfolding over the course

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Speaker 1: of what a month. Um, and again, my take on

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Speaker 1: this is let's wait and see. How Yes, I do

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: think there is something they're there. But what's frustrating to

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Speaker 1: me about how this story has played out in the

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Speaker 1: media is again, every single day, red alert world's ending

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Speaker 1: with every little snippet that comes out. It's very hard

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: to track this story in an accurate way, right, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think the media is doing a very good

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01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: job with that. I it's funny. I asked my husband

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Speaker 1: the other night what he thought about this story, and

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Speaker 1: he gave me a blank look, and he said, you know,

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01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: consumer confidence is that on all time high. I'm like, okay,

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01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. Um, so yes, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little frustrated with the breakneck speed at which

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01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, misinformation is tweeted out, hysteria has tweeted out.

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Speaker 1: So my take on the Susan Rice story is I

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: really want to just wait and see. But yes, it

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: looks like something I'm seeing. I'm not going to the

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Speaker 1: place of Susan Rice. Uh, you know, abused her post

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: committed treason. We should bring her up on charges or

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Speaker 1: what I mean. First of all, even if you did this,

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Speaker 1: it's almost certainly not illegal. But the point here is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would certainly be curious, much

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Speaker 1: more curious about that than a meeting. I mean, have

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01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: you seen what's on the main story and the on

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post right now. It's been there a thing

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01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: for hours at three hours, that that Erik Prince met

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: with some emiades in the Seychells and a Russian dude. Ye,

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Speaker 1: that's not a bigger story than the Susan Rice thing.

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Speaker 1: And there's nothing about Susan Rice anywhere in the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing about Susan Rice anyhere in the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't seem to be a coincidence to me, Heather, Oh, no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. And of course, you know, we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprised if there was something a little shady going on,

1201
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: because as we know, there was some weird stuff going

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: on with the Obama administration, including you know, Lois Learner

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01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: essentially weaponizing the I R S, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: terrifying against people who weren't in the right political camp. So, um, no, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a double standard as to how the

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Speaker 1: story is being treated. Um And it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how it unfolds. Yeah, I mean, the one thing

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Speaker 1: we do know is that there was a leak to

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Speaker 1: a newspaper about a phone call that led to the resignation,

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, about a phone call that was illicitly obtained

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Speaker 1: the information, you know, whether it was through you know,

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Speaker 1: crazy spy stuff or it was just through someone doing

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: an old fashioned guy up, you know, in the telephone

1214
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Speaker 1: wires wire whatever it was. However, they got the information.

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I think people have ideas already, but

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: we don't officially know yet. It wasn't obtained through the

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Speaker 1: normal course of events, and that led to the resignation

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Speaker 1: of a national security advisor in this administration. So there

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01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: have already been consequences. It's not like this has all

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01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: been a big, a big nothing. And I would agree

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01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: that we should wait and see where this goes. But

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Speaker 1: I also think that we're running really fast towards Nowheresville

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Speaker 1: with Yeah, we need to figure out what Russia did

1224
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: in this election. We we know what Russia did. Russia

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Speaker 1: hacked into Podesta or or based on what the intelligence

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Speaker 1: community tells us here, and I'll take them at their word.

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Speaker 1: I used to work for them, that Russia hacked into

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Speaker 1: Podesta's account, got some d n C stuff. It was embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Don't keep your password to somebody who's like, my name

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: is Yuri, give me the password, Like that's the that's

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Speaker 1: the national security lesson? Aren't you the buck? Are you

1232
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Speaker 1: looking forward to four years of NonStop Russia investigation and breathless,

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Speaker 1: breathless tweets coming out every night about I just think

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Speaker 1: it's also fascinating that there's so many Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so many journalists that without irony or are lecturing

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Speaker 1: us all now on how Putin kills journalists and Putin

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: is this thug and Putin's and all these bad things.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so, so when Obama was

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: in office, people pointing that out where war mongers, what

1240
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Go to wards rush with VI

1241
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: of nukes? The same thing they used to say with Iran,

1242
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: But now they're saying it all the time. It's just again,

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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: hypocrisy doesn't bother a lot of people on the left,

1244
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: but it's hard not to sometimes choke on it a

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, you know, I I have a story

1246
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: coming out this hopefully this week in The Federalist, and

1247
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: it's called well, I won't spoil the title, but it's

1248
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: about how I hate the Internet and I don't hate

1249
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: the radio book. I love the radio. There we go, good, good, safe,

1250
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: But why do you hate the Internet? I well, you know,

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: it's interesting. And I have this anecdote in the piece

1252
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: where it's a Thursday night and I'm at my house

1253
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: and I'm stirring apasta sauce and I've I've made a

1254
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: vow to myself for the most part, to try to

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01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: stay off social media and non work hours, and I made,

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Speaker 1: of course, I got lured back in. Every time I

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: think I'm out, they pull me back in. I checked Twitter.

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Speaker 1: It's a Thursday night, and the internet is Twitter is

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: just exploding over this story that Mike Flynn is, you know,

1260
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: searching for an immunity deal, right, and it's all cats screaming, okay,

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Speaker 1: the impeachment, it's all over. And you know, I'm old

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Speaker 1: enough to remember the presidential campaign when that happened. Every

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Speaker 1: day people were and it was exhausting. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's this Twitter news cycle of hysteria that I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's helpful to anybody, and it's really hard to

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Speaker 1: see through to it, you know what what matters And

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Speaker 1: I just keep waiting for the media to get tired out,

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Speaker 1: you know, and say, Okay, maybe we shouldn't freak out

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Speaker 1: this time, maybe we should actually, you know, figure out

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Speaker 1: what's happening. It hasn't you know what we're what. Ten

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Speaker 1: weeks in, it still hasn't happened, So who knows. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not sure. I'm not sure Democrats really want

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Speaker 1: to have to fight over Obamacare, for example. I mean

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Speaker 1: they will, but I think they'd rather chase the story

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Speaker 1: of Trump Russia trees in even though they're they're forced to,

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Speaker 1: in an embarrassing fashion, say well, we don't have any

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Speaker 1: actual evidence of this, but they'd rather just stay on

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Speaker 1: that than get into policy debates, which I think that

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Speaker 1: says a lot. But maybe I'm reading more into it

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Speaker 1: than I should because Healthcare with Republicans was also debacle.

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Speaker 1: So they make me sad right now. They had one

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Speaker 1: job time, I know, and it shouldn't be that complicated

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Speaker 1: that they should have. They keep saying it's so complicated

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Speaker 1: because they allow it to be. It all right, So, Heather,

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Speaker 1: when's your piece coming out? When can we look forward

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Speaker 1: to this magnum opus at some point this week? I'm

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Speaker 1: not quite sure, but I will tweet it out as

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Speaker 1: students out of course, ironically, I hate the Internet, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put it out on Twitter. So but

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on your point about the social media.

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Speaker 1: I've started to set social media time boundaries, and I

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Speaker 1: always wonder some of my colleagues and media that have

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Speaker 1: tweeted like hundreds of thousands of times, or that are

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Speaker 1: posting on Facebook like thirty times a day. I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: how do how do you how brush your teeth? I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know. You know, it's important to disconnect.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I spent three hours in the radio

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Speaker 1: and like this is what I do. I'm not so

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Speaker 1: psyched about all that other social media stuff all the time.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress, all right. Heather Wilhelm here, everybody,

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Speaker 1: she's of not sure of you and the Federalists check

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Speaker 1: out her piece and the Federalist dot com went this week. Hather,

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Speaker 1: thank you for making some time for the Freedom Hunt.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It was fun. We've got some

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Speaker 1: calls up on the lines. Let's take them. Bruce in

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Speaker 1: Florida on w f l F. Hey, Bruce, h Hi Buck,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Um? I'm good, I really enjoyed the Wilhelm.

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Speaker 1: There she she's got it together. Uh, and not just

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Speaker 1: a cute laugh. She's a smart girl. All right, Easy there, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: that's all right. What's going on and what's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: She's smart too. Um No, And I thought you guys

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Speaker 1: had a hit a hit the nail on the head

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Speaker 1: when you were talking about the hyperbole that these guys

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Speaker 1: are doing. It's like a hyperbole um hypocrisy hurricane with

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Speaker 1: the Dems anymore. And um, I don't know where they

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Speaker 1: go from here. It's like they get to the point

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Speaker 1: where they're saying, oh, this is the ultimate, nothing can

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Speaker 1: beat this, and it's the worst thing in the world,

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Speaker 1: and then that just sort of sizzles because either not

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Speaker 1: true or they've over hyped it and it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter in the first place. Yeah, well, hysteria.

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Speaker 1: Hysteria also inherently take grabs more attention than reason sober analysis.

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Speaker 1: And part of the problem here is that it becomes

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Speaker 1: this one up and ship of who can have the

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Speaker 1: most hysterical anti Trump headline out there? Right, Yeah, that's exactly,

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Speaker 1: and so everything else gets drowned out. So when I

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Speaker 1: want to sit here and talk about how you know

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Speaker 1: Trump is Trump needs to do a better job leading

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Speaker 1: the GOP towards truly conservative healthcare reform. It's like I'm

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Speaker 1: a guy on NPR talking about a bake sale in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest somewhere when everyone else is yelling Trump is

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Speaker 1: a trader. Oh my gosh, look what's happened with the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration? Surveilling Trump like you have all these That's

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Speaker 1: what the conversation is. And so anybody in the middle

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I'd like my my healthcare premiums to

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Speaker 1: go down. Can we actually do that? Is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's some kind of a nerd, you know, is a

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Speaker 1: dork that needs to be quiet. Yep, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the other thing that I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about when you were talking was the a lot of

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Speaker 1: this started with the with the right what they called

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Speaker 1: hate radio or the right wing radio stuff. It was

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Speaker 1: all hyperbolic, the world coming to an end, the Obama

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Speaker 1: is the worst thing in the world, and he turned

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Speaker 1: out to be very close. We're at a break I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry forgot it. Sorry I thought we were at a break.

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy? Don't put that out there. Wait, what

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Speaker 1: happened we're good. I don't know, wait, what what what

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Speaker 1: did I miss? I thought we go into Oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry everybody. I thought I was ready to cut off.

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Speaker 1: So it was like, it's the very very quiet Buck.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on in here. For

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Speaker 1: a second, I thought we were going to to a

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Speaker 1: break and I had to cut our fellow off there,

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Speaker 1: and I was just like looking at the board and

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Speaker 1: they're like, nah, dude, you've got more time, So why

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Speaker 1: don't you just not do that where you think that

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Speaker 1: you're off air? And then all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 1: was gonna get up and go get some coffee. You

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Speaker 1: guys will be listening to the show like this is

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Speaker 1: the worst radio showever. He's literally pouring coffee and that's

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Speaker 1: all we could hear. Um, But that's not happening. Instead,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that there's a break coming here. In

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Speaker 1: a few seconds, we're going to talk about uh U

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Speaker 1: S foreign policy visa each China, and yes, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg. So a jam

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Speaker 1: pack third hour of analysis Buck Sexton with America. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt is fired up as Team Buck assembles

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Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder, shields high call in eight four four

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Speaker 1: D Buck. That's eight four four D to eight to

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Speaker 1: five big diplomatic meetings this week for Donald Trump, including

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Speaker 1: with Chinese President shi Jin Ping. We're joined by my

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Speaker 1: friend Steven Yates, who is a national security expert and

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Speaker 1: chairman of the Idaho Republican Party. Stephen, great to have you, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing. I'm Buck doing great, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about here, Steve. So

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Speaker 1: first let's get into this meeting with She's in pingu

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you think the the best

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Speaker 1: outcome could be from this discussion between Trump and She? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a mistake to think of this

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Speaker 1: as a summit where major agreements are are are made.

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Speaker 1: So one of the best first steps is what I

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Speaker 1: mean exactly. So, basically, this is an opportunity for the

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Speaker 1: President to lay out his expectations for the Chinese leader

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Speaker 1: on what needs to be done to deal with North

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Speaker 1: Korea and how to recalibrate the economic relationship with China.

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Speaker 1: All of my friends that are in the White House

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Speaker 1: and in other other parts of government at this point

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Speaker 1: tell me that that's the mission going in and I

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Speaker 1: think that's the right approach to take. The President needs

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Speaker 1: to basically open the conversation with these are the concerns,

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Speaker 1: and these are the expectations, and what do you, the

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Speaker 1: leader of China have in mind to do that brings

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Speaker 1: a different outcome in North Korea, where three of my

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Speaker 1: two term presud asessors have failed to change that direction

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Speaker 1: and put the put the burden back on the Chinese leader.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't expect an immediate helpful response, but this is the

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Speaker 1: beginning of a multi stage conversation now before we get

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Speaker 1: into the national security aspects and specifically North Korea and

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Speaker 1: how China can or cannot be helpful with regard to

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Speaker 1: that troublesome neighbor. On the economic front, That's that's what

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Speaker 1: we heard the most from Trump about over the course

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Speaker 1: of the campaign. Do you think that there's a way

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Speaker 1: to be both firm and constructive or if Trump begins

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Speaker 1: to lay out there that there's there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: new sheriff in town when it comes to the economy,

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Speaker 1: that there will be immediate pushback from the Chinese and

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Speaker 1: things will shut down a bit. In terms of the

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Speaker 1: diplomatic exchange, well, I expect he's going to basically give

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Speaker 1: a very strong scenes setter for Chinese president. She uh

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Speaker 1: that you know, these are the these are the this

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Speaker 1: is the scope and nature of the challenges that we face.

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Speaker 1: That he's going to take an American first approach to

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Speaker 1: trade an investment, and when American companies are running into

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Speaker 1: hardships selling things to China, or when there are things

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Speaker 1: that he considers to be unfair practices by China, he's

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Speaker 1: going to speak up about them and expects no less

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Speaker 1: from the Chinese leader. And the Chinese have taken a

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Speaker 1: China first approach forever, so it should be something that's

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Speaker 1: a familiar theme to the Chinese leader, just unfamiliar coming

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Speaker 1: from American leaders. What are the levers that we have

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Speaker 1: or that Trump has that the administration has on our

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Speaker 1: behalf going into discussions or not not again, this is

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Speaker 1: really just this is mostly a meeting greed. And there'll

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Speaker 1: be a lot of reading of tea leaves here by

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Speaker 1: people in the media saying, oh, well, this is you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what the body language. And we saw this

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Speaker 1: with Merkel and Trump, right, he didn't shake your hand

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Speaker 1: or something, and it was, oh my gosh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Merkel is never going to see in the same way.

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Speaker 1: So there'll be people that that take much more from this,

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Speaker 1: that surmise much more than necessarily comes across over the

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Speaker 1: course of the discussion. And but what are the ways

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Speaker 1: that down the line, even the US can even things

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Speaker 1: out in the relationship with China and exert pressure without

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Speaker 1: being belligerent. Well, I think that there are some starter

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Speaker 1: blocks to that. Of the enforcement capabilities. We've had lacks

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Speaker 1: of enforcement on uh some of the some of the

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Speaker 1: export controls that we've had that are relevant to China.

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Speaker 1: We've had lack of enforcement of some of the fees

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Speaker 1: that they're supposed to pay when bringing things into our country.

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Speaker 1: Uh and UH. So I know that the new team

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Speaker 1: going into commerce has been looking very very closely at that,

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Speaker 1: and one of the executive orders that was just released

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Speaker 1: is looking at up to a trillion dollars in that

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Speaker 1: values of the United States that hasn't come in through

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Speaker 1: the enforcement mechanisms as appropriate. Part of that is China,

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Speaker 1: but it's a big part. And so he can very

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Speaker 1: credibly say that we're going to be dead serious about

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Speaker 1: the enforcement side of things, but we're also open to

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Speaker 1: seeing where things can go in a constructive way. And

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Speaker 1: what do you, the leader of China, had to say

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Speaker 1: that could maybe make it so that fewer of our

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Speaker 1: companies are under attack when they open businesses in China.

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Speaker 1: There's a long record of companies that do great things

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Speaker 1: going into China and then a miraculously a copy organization

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Speaker 1: and a copy product hit the market, and then they're squeezed. Steve,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know you're You're a very humble guy

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Speaker 1: for somebody who actually has very real national security credibility

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Speaker 1: and credentials. You are fluent in Mandarin Chinese. I would

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Speaker 1: be throwing that around to people all over the place

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Speaker 1: all the time. But I do speak Chinese. I was

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Speaker 1: a missionary in Taiwan, and then I worked for the

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Speaker 1: US government for a number of years using the Chinese language,

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Speaker 1: and when I was in the White House and conducting

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Speaker 1: meetings with Chinese officials, from time to time I could

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Speaker 1: correct or elaborate upon a mistake and interpreter may have made.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard business to be in, but s I've

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Speaker 1: been studying and following and working on the Chinese for

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Speaker 1: almost my entire career in some form or fashion, and

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Speaker 1: it's a hard business. And I don't think the United

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Speaker 1: States has done a fantastic job on that account, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm very open to a breath of fresh

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Speaker 1: air and Donald Trump taking a different approach. Now, sorry,

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: so I just I just had you, Steve, because I

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: knew you wouldn't remember listening. And I'm talking to Steve

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Speaker 1: about what I'm talking to Steve about China and e

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01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: shaped East Asia international relationship policy. Guy really knows his stuff, right.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of people out there, even who study it,

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01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: are not fluent fluent in Mandard. So anyway, let's let's

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Speaker 1: get back to the North Korea angle of all this.

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01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: All kinds of stories in the news media the last

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Speaker 1: few months about Bella Coast North Korean actions, whether it's

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the half brother assassinated, what was it in Malaysia by

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: the two women, uh that we're saying that, you know,

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01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: they thought it was a prank obviously their assassins. And

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Speaker 1: then you've had various missile either either missiles tested or

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01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: missiles threatened to be tested. I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on in North Korea right now that

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01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: gets headlines, but I think that most people who follow

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01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: would say to themselves, Okay, so we see this, we

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01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: say North Korea is is a terrible place. It's a true,

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: a true tyranny in a way that is from a

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01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,879
Speaker 1: political science perspective, fascinating, from a humanitarian perspective, truly appalling

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Speaker 1: and nightmarish. Uh what so what do we do? I mean,

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Speaker 1: do we just sit around saying, well, you know, at

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01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: some point North Korea is gonna be able to fit

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01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: a nuke on top of an I C B M

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: and we're in big trouble. Are we just gonna wait

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Speaker 1: for at some point or what do we do? The

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01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: dominant view is yes, we will wait for that some

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01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: at some point. But we have lived with a near

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01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: existential problem with North Korea, just with the threat of proliferation. Uh.

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01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: There was a facility that was put in Sorria that

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01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: the Israelis had to take out. Uh. There's just a

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01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 1: very very very deadly network of proliferators. North Korea is

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01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: an important part of that's been operating for a long time.

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: So we've tempted fate. They don't just need to launch

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01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: a missile that hits the United States. They can send

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01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: things through any number of ways. Give them to the Iranians,

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01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: give them a terrorist networks. Uh, and it's a very

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01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: very serious problem. Basically, the problem has been for the

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01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: United States policies. We can't have perfect containment of North Korea.

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01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,480
Speaker 1: The high seas are too hard to button down, airspace

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01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: over China is permissive, and so we need to be

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01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: pressuring China to close down some of those roots, and

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01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: we need China to use its unique influence in a

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01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: way that changes the trajectory of North Korea. But there

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: shown no willingness to do it. And that is a

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01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: very very difficult not to crack. And I don't think

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01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 1: that a few conversations is going to make a difference

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01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: on it. But I think that our allies are getting

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01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: increasingly concerned and we are going to have to put

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01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: on table uh the the measures that we, together with

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01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 1: our allies, would have to contemplate if China doesn't mitigate

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01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: this threat. And when when we look at all of this, though,

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01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: there there seems to be a continuity of a policy

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: of not a whole lot when it comes to North

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01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: Korea from the US. I mean, they're there, are things

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01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: are in play shore, there are sanctions, I get all

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: of that, but there there's no major shift. I haven't

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01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: heard anything from the Trump team yet, and it's very early.

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01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: I understand that about a different approach to North Korea

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01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: per se, Do do you see that taking shape? Or

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01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: are we gonna see? Is this a in a sense,

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01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: such a a problem of the international community and so

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01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: of such long standing UH time frame that it just

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01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: it is what it is and no one has any

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01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: new ideas. Well, I worry that it may end up

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01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: being there. It is what it is, and no one

1541
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: has new ideas. But I think that there are measures

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01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: that are worthy of trying that have not been put

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01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: in play, and I think the new team is working

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01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: their way in that direction. It's very risk, it's very hard,

1545
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: the easiest to do a thing that in government is

1546
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the same old thing. We have tried multiple times to

1547
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: buy the threat, and that has not worked. We've tried

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01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: to appease the threat, and that has not worked. UH.

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01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: And the sanctions clearly have no effect on the behavior

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01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 1: of the regime. So we're gonna But it's also not

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01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: even up to the first hundred days of this administration,

1552
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: and they don't have a full team to conduct a

1553
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: full review. At the beginning of each of the last

1554
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: three presidencies, there's been at least a year of time

1555
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: get into a North Korea policy review before they even

1556
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: tried different things. And so I think that this team

1557
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: is moving faster, and it's moving into this conversation with

1558
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: the Chinese leader earlier than the Bush administration did, earlier

1559
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: than the Clinton administration did, and earlier than the Obama

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01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: administration did. But we're still very much the beginning of

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01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: sending signals and assessing options and risk well more. For you, Steve,

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01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: you were in the White House's deputy assistant to the

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01:27:55,200 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: Vice President for National Security Affairs and Bush W's first term. Uh,

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01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: just gotta ask you the situation that's reported on right

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01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: now with Susan Rice and the allegations of unmasking. Do

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01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: you have any just gut instinct feeling on any of

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01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: this stuff or you still want to wait and see

1568
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: mode What do you think? Well, the gut instinct is,

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01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: here's a person who is fully prepared to a lot

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01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: of the American people multiple times over in the wake

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01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: of Benghazi, So it can't be a shocker that there's

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01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: reasonable suspicions she might consider doing what's alleged now in

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01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: unmasking the names of US citizens that may or may

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01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: not have been collected in foreign surveillance. But if she

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01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: did any of those things and sought to get those

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01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: names unmasked, to me is possibly the most egregious violation

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01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: of law and our national security interests out of the

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01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: Obama administration. Stephen Yates, chairman of the Idaho Republican Party

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01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: and buddy of mine, Steve, so glad you could join us,

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01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: my front. Come back soon, my pleasure. Thank you. About

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01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to take care. Now let's get into what happened, um

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: with if I can now, UM, we'll get into the

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01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: latest on this terrorist attack that happened in St. Petersburg.

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01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: Last I saw you had ten who were killed in

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01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: this and over fifty were wounded. This is right out

1586
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: of the playbook. This is right what you would expect

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01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 1: from the g hottests. Um, it would be most likely

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01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 1: we'll see if ISIS claims the responsibility. ISIS tends to

1589
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: claim responsibility for these incidents within forty hours usually I

1590
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 1: think of of the actual attack, and yet we don't

1591
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: know exactly. It looks like it's a GI hottest here

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 1: here's what we do know at this point. And St.

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01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Petersburg Subway right in the middle of the city was

1594
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: hit there were two bombs. One was diffused, one went off.

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01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: The one that went off killed tan, wounded over fifty.

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01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: It was I would I would assume consider that we

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01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: saw we were able to see photos of the purported

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01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: second device. Uh. It was explosives packed with ball bearings

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01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:30,560
Speaker 1: and intended to create a shrapnel effect to kill in

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01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: mayme as many innocent bystanders as possible. This is similar

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01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 1: to other attacks we've seen, and hitting mass transportation is

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01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 1: one of the hallmarks of international jihadism. This is what

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01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: they do. It is a It is a big and

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01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: obvious target, a very hard to defend target as well,

1605
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: and there are going to be some I would assume

1606
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: ramifications of this on the policy front as well. Russia

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01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: has been very involved in the Syrian Civil War for

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01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: years now. The Russians have been pushing against groups in

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01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Syria saying that they were ISIS, but they've really been

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01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: dropping a whole lot of bombs on groups that were

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01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: not Isis. They have been very successful in propping up

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01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: the Assad regime, which a few years into the Syrians

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01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: Civil War looked like it may have been on its

1614
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 1: last legs, but then relatively quickly the Russian air force

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: that was user, the Russian air assets that were deployed,

1616
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: as well as a lot of help from the Iranians,

1617
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 1: began to turn the tables and allow the Assad regime

1618
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: to take back territory. Um So, while Russia has not

1619
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: necessarily been focusing on ISIS as its primary target, uh,

1620
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: they certainly have been engaged in a lot of horrific

1621
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: bombing in Syria that has created all kinds of civilian casualties,

1622
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 1: large numbers. We don't even really know the full extent

1623
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: of it. And yet we find ourselves in a situation

1624
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: where we see the Russians and have to wonder what

1625
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: their response here will be, because they have been fighting

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01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: against the jihattest for a long time, just as as

1627
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: we have. Russia is a longstanding enemy of Islamic supremacism

1628
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: and Islamist expansionism, usually in the form of the Caucasus region.

1629
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: That's where you see most of the anti anti Russian

1630
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 1: activity JI hottest activity stemming from whether we're talking about

1631
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Dagistan or Czechnia, these are small regions in the Caucusus

1632
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: which are really a transition and transition in terms of

1633
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: geography between the Russian land mass and what we would

1634
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: consider the Middle East. You have a Muslim population there

1635
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: that has been a hotbed of radicalism and jihadism for

1636
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: a long time. You also have had at least or

1637
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: well to Russian incursions in the nineties into czech Nia

1638
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: against jihadis there, and they were brutal, as the Russians

1639
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: tend to be in these cases. And there I've read

1640
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 1: credible reports from from journalists who I I don't believe

1641
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: we're in any way hyping their information or had any

1642
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: reason to lie about this, that in at least one case,

1643
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: the Russian government looked like it may have been willing

1644
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: to engage in a false flag attack to justify a

1645
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: and a major military incursion into Czechnia under that's right

1646
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. In fact, the Chechen or the the incursions

1647
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: into czech Nia under Putin's time in office were a

1648
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: part of his consolidation of power, and they were brutal crackdowns.

1649
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:11,719
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not a part of Russian Russian

1650
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: history that gets a lot of attention, certainly these days.

1651
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: But the Chechen terrorists have their own Islamic CAUCUSUS Emirate

1652
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: and that they will refer to and they believe themselves

1653
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: to be, you know, an offshoot, an offshoot of the

1654
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: same ge hot is M that you see occurring in

1655
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: Syria and elsewhere. They're among the most well trained. By

1656
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: the way, a lot of the Chechen gee hottests are

1657
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: considered the most well trained, dedicated, and ruthless. There are

1658
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: Chechens who are operating as part of ISIS in Syria,

1659
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: and I think it is most likely that we'll find

1660
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: out that there was some that the perpetrator here. I

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01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: believe it's one perpetrator they think right now, though there

1662
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: could be more um that these perpetrators were ah or

1663
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: the perpetrator rather was somebody who hailed from that region.

1664
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: That's likely, It's not for sure. We will see more

1665
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: as we look into this, but it is interesting as

1666
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 1: you look at the fringes of Islamic expansion is um

1667
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: and I mean historically you see places where Islam butts

1668
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: Islamic majority states a butt non Islamic majority states, and

1669
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: you tend to have a lot of conflict. You see

1670
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: this in the Balkans. We had a civil war or

1671
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: a number of civil war conflicts in the nineties that

1672
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: had to do with well a lot of a whole

1673
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: bunch of different reasons and rationales, but there were certainly

1674
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 1: Christian versus Muslim undertone to a lot of it with

1675
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: Bosnians and Serbs and Croats. Uh. And then you have

1676
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 1: with the Chechens. That's really the end of Islamic Islamic

1677
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: majority land mass before it turns into Russia, which of

1678
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: course is not as long majority at all. And you

1679
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: have continue in conflict zones. So whether you are looking

1680
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: at the edges of the Sahara which abuts places like

1681
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: Nigeria where there's Christian Muslim conflict, the Balkans where there's

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Speaker 1: Christian Muslim conflict, Czechnia with Russian Orthodox Christians there's Christian

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Speaker 1: Muslim conflict. Uh. This is that the jihad is something

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Speaker 1: that is very all too real. For the Russians. They've

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Speaker 1: had some of the worst terrorist attacks occur on Russian

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Speaker 1: soil of any country. I mean, the only thing that

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01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,560
Speaker 1: that it is by far a bigger attack on a

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Speaker 1: civilian by houses nine eleven. But you look at the

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01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: Beslan school massacre, the Russian theater siege. They have been

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01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: hit many times and hit hard, and some people will

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01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: look at what happened today in St. Petersburg, and wonder

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Speaker 1: if this will have implications for US Russia kind of

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Speaker 1: terrorism cooperation will take. I'll talk about some of that

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Speaker 1: in a minute. Welcome back to the Freedom Hut on

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01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: an island of liberty where you're the party and it's

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01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: full of fellow pates. Yet Buck Sexton kicks it off.

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01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Got John and Mississippi on w BUV. Hey John, Hey Buck.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking back to last summer. Last summer, supposedly

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01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 1: the DNC computers were hacked and supposedly by the Russians,

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01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,719
Speaker 1: and we've yet to see the evidence that the Russians

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01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: did it, but we learned more recently that the Obama's

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01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 1: CIA has the ability to hacker computer and make it

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01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: look like the Russians did it. And that's that happened

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01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: all about the same time that Trump got the Republican nomination.

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01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 1: So now they're looking very close at Trump and they

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01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: need an excuse to spy on him. And the excuse

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01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,839
Speaker 1: I suspect, and my theory is that this UH Russian

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01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:55,879
Speaker 1: hacking is manufactured. It's false, and that's their the basis

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Speaker 1: for their reason for unmasking the names of advisers. Okay,

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01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 1: so you're you're bring a lot of things to the

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Speaker 1: table here. You don't believe, you don't believe that the

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01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Russian intelligence services or anyone acting on their behalf packed

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01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: into the d n C or podestas emails. Is that

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01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: is that what you're saying, That's part of what you're saying.

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01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's everything, but that you do hold

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01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: that right. You're not necessarily podested emails, but the general

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01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: hacking of the DNC computer leaking, they're incriminating emails. Uh no,

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01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: I I've yet to see any proof that the Russians

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01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 1: did it. All they could tell us, all Obama's administrations

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01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: told us is that sixteen separate intelligence agencies have decided,

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01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: concluded with assurance that it was the Russians. They can't

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01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: even say for sure they did that the Russians did it.

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01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: And there are no six team intelligence agencies that are

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01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: capable of deciding who hacked a computer. That's that would

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01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 1: be very specialized. I think now technically it's seventeen agencies,

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01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: and as everyone's been pointing out, well a lot of

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01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 1: them are military intelligence arms in this country, and very

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01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 1: few people, very few people can name all all seventeen

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01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 1: of the agencies, and I wouldn't want to be put

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01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: on the spot and asked myself quite honestly, even though

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01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: I worked in the in the intelligence community. So, okay,

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01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: a few things here. You think that there's let's go

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01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: to motivation because I don't know either. I haven't seen

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01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: the information. I assume a lot of it would still

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01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: be you know, the cyber intelligence. Assume a lot of

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01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: it would still be classified. Um I haven't. I haven't

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01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 1: seen that, so I can't tell you that I've seen

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01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: it either. Um. But now, why would the let's say

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01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying is true, Why would any element, any

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01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: element of the US government pretend to be the Russians

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01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: to get into Podesta? Because because my contentions, sorry, pretending

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01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 1: to be the Russians to get into Podesta, let's just

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01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: say podest his email account as Shorthand or or the

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01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: d n C again in the DNC computers. Uh, my

1745
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: contention is that this whole conspiracy makes no sense. The

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01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: New York Times was reporting that there was a chance

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01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Hillary was going to win the election, you know, the

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01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: day of the election. Uh, this wasn't This wouldn't be

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01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: an effective way to to turn the election. And so

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01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: if that's my contention, assuming the Russians did it, why

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01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 1: would I think that the US or U S intelligence

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01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: agencies would do that and pretend to be the Russians?

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01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? That doesn't make any

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01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: That doesn't line up for me, because it's such an

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01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 1: it's such an ineffective tool to to try to sway

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01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: the election, And so I can't play it both ways here.

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01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I can't say to you, Okay, the Russians didn't do it,

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01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: a US government element did do it, and then also

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01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 1: say but nobody would really, I mean, this didn't throw

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01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: the election, and it's not a particularly uh important thing.

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01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: This is my my contention about why Trump wouldn't work

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01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: with the Russians on this right, because it's such a

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01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: a relatively flimsy way to try to bring this about.

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01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: So that's just on the motivation side. I don't I

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01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: don't really see that. I mean, um, I also don't

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01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 1: really why would the why would the intellerence community put

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01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 1: itself in that position where they because I mean, then

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01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: you're assuming that there are people who are are not

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01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: just partisans. You know, it's one thing to leak it's

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01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: another thing to get that. I'm sorry, Go ahead, John,

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01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking a lot. Do you see them like

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01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: you disagree with what I'm saying? Go ahead. They were

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01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: not motivated to turn the election. The US government intelligence

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01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:44,959
Speaker 1: agencies were not motivated. Obama's like, here's a popular word nowadays.

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01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: The deeks take people like um, big Roads and um

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01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: and this uh Susan Rice. These people the same people

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01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: that lied about things. Does he that are partisans, they're

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01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 1: part they trust with claim it's sixteen agencies good firm

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01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: or agencies. None of these very few of these agencies,

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01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: such as the Department of Energy in the US Coast Guard.

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01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: Look at the list of the seventeen. They're not specialized

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01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: in the areas of computer told. But but at the FB,

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01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a I've got to try

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01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: to be uh straightforward and factual here, my friend. I mean,

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01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 1: there's a letter what was it from the I think

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01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 1: from the d N I and the FBI signed off

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01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 1: on it saying that they they believe that that Russia

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01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: did do I mean, so you keep saying sixteen ages,

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01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The A lot of agencies will defer

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01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: to the other agencies if it's in their area of expertise, right,

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01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 1: so that you know, you're not gonna see the Coast

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01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Guard is not gonna tell you know, the FBI or

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01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 1: the n s A. You know, this is the way

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01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: it is, you know, sir. Uh So, I don't really

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01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: that that doesn't really I'm not really seeing that line

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01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: up here. Um, And I don't really understand the motivation

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01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: to do is and and also uh so, I mean,

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01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: what was this? This was supposed to be insurance in

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01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: case Trump won, to then claim that it was a

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01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: false victory. I mean, that's that's quite uh. I mean,

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01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta tell you, I know a lot

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01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: of federal bureaucrats. Very few of them would risk like

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01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: decades in prison for computer hacking because they love Hillary

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01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: so much. In fact, I've never met anybody who would

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01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: do that. Leaking maybe, but actual hacking or or or

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01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: engaging in some kind of cybercrime. No, wait, John, you

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01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: keep saying, no, what am I missing? You're telling me

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01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: that they that you think that intelligence did this and

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01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 1: not the Russians. I'm telling you that doesn't make any

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01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 1: sense to me. So what am I missing? You keep

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01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: yelling no? Okay, I'll be quiet. Go what I'm missing.

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01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 1: These are political appointees that are working in with one another.

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01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 1: They don't have the expertise to hack, but they have

1814
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: the expertise to lie. Oh so you're saying they're just

1815
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: lying about all the evidence. It's not that they actually

1816
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,040
Speaker 1: did anything. They're just lying about the assessment. Oh A,

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01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: most people are lying about it when they say was

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01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: insurance that had But don't we think that Pompeo of

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01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: the c i A as the director who's now a

1820
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: trumpet point see if that were the case, wouldn't he

1821
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: be able to know that pretty quickly and come out

1822
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: and say that no, in fact, this wasn't, This wasn't

1823
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: what happened. I mean, you know, you've you've got to

1824
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 1: you've gotta you've gotta remember here, John, I. I appreciate

1825
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: you calling it. Thank you for your for your time

1826
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: and your and your passion. But all it takes is

1827
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: one person inside any of these agencies who can blow

1828
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 1: the whistle on on that kind of wrongdoing, even if

1829
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 1: it's the wrongdoing of an assessment. And all it takes

1830
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: is one person to come forward to say that, and

1831
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 1: then that's it. Then the whole thing unravel. So it's

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01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 1: very hard to keep a conspirace, you know. I I

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01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: assume now and I tried to let John tell me

1834
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: um what he was going for there, and I appreciate

1835
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: him calling in um, but the notion that somehow the

1836
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 1: was Obama pointees lying about the inform anyway, I've spent

1837
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 1: a lot of time in this, sorry, um, but I

1838
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 1: just I don't see it as I don't see that

1839
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:14,719
Speaker 1: as particularly plausible. I mean, what's the Russia hack stuff

1840
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: all the time, and let's let's not there. There is

1841
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 1: a trend, and I see this among some conservatives. There's

1842
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: a difference between saying Russia always does bad stuff the

1843
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 1: Russian government, right. I don't blame all the Russian people

1844
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: for this, A lot of really nice Russians, but the

1845
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: Russian government does bad stuff, has been for a long time.

1846
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: Putin is an autocrat. Um. But I don't think that, uh,

1847
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: it changed the election. I think that that's all very

1848
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 1: overblown and that's exaggerated. Um. And yet here we are

1849
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: being told that Russia some people that I see are

1850
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: saying Russia is not going to engage in that kind

1851
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: of Russia would never do this, right, Russia wouldn't hack

1852
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: into the DNC infdest No, I think I think they

1853
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: would do that. I think elements of the Russian government

1854
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: probably would do that. I don't think that's beyond them,

1855
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 1: based on everything else we know. And I also do

1856
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: think that there are limits to even what a particularly

1857
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: partisan Obama pointing the intelligence community would be willing to

1858
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: say in order to find some way to stack the

1859
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 1: deck for psychic against Trump in this case. So I'm

1860
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: open to any number of theories, but I do not

1861
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: think this. I do not think that this is one

1862
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: that we have to spend much more time on. All Right,

1863
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 1: Kevin in Pennsylvania on the I heartoup. What's up, Kevin,

1864
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: Hey Buck, how are you doing. I'm good. I My

1865
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:57,560
Speaker 1: theory is that he rich the guy who was a

1866
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: Barney supporter I doing assade, basically almost admitted that he

1867
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: was the one that leads the emails to Wicky Leaks

1868
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: and Seth Richards found murdered, and nobody's ever investigated it

1869
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: or haven't done anything, And so I believe this whole

1870
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 1: lection thing is to cover up for his murder. I've

1871
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,639
Speaker 1: heard that theory before. I don't have about of theory.

1872
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean doing Asad basically put up a reward for

1873
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 1: his thing, and in one aur view almost okay, well

1874
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: we need we need to not we did not pretend

1875
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: that Julian Assange doesn't have outside motivations and and is

1876
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: is a is a friend to America or truth justice

1877
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 1: in the American way, as none of that is true.

1878
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: Julian Assange has done a lot to dramatically damage US

1879
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: national security interest. So I just understand who the messenger

1880
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 1: is before we start saying that, you know, because what

1881
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: you're telling me then is that you take the word

1882
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: of of Julian Osang over uh, the FBI and the

1883
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence. Which that's I'm not saying that's impossible.

1884
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's quite a right. Well, Suthwith was a

1885
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Bernie supporter, so he was he and he had access

1886
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: to those emails because that's what he did. He was

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01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: in charge of the email. So he was upset because

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01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: of what the DMC was doing behind you know, uh

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Speaker 1: with you know, with Hillary and the berniey thing, and

1890
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Speaker 1: you know Joean and so id said that he got

1891
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Speaker 1: did not get that stuff from Russia. He got it

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Speaker 1: in one of his associates picked it up in a

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Speaker 1: college field in Washington, d C. So and then you know,

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Speaker 1: and then and then Seth Rich was found two bullet

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Speaker 1: holes in his head and nothing taken. Though it wasn't

1896
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Speaker 1: a robbery, it wasn't anything. So where's his investigation? Where's

1897
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Speaker 1: the investigation on that murder? Oh? I think there was

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Speaker 1: an investigation going on. My understanding is there. So, so

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Speaker 1: what's the results to that? No that I look, I'm

1900
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Speaker 1: not I know they haven't found an anybody. I and

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Speaker 1: it does certainly look very suspicious. Like I lived in

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Speaker 1: d C. People don't just guys walking down the street

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Speaker 1: usually don't just get shot with nothing stolen from them

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Speaker 1: for no reason, you know whatsoever? That that it is

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Speaker 1: an aberrant event, to be sure. Um, and I am

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Speaker 1: right there. Neighborhood lives right there said that immediately the

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Speaker 1: CIA came and confiscated his security camera. Well I hadn't.

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Speaker 1: I have not heard that, So I'll have to take

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Speaker 1: I'll have to take a look at it. But it's

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Speaker 1: it sounds very it sounds very conspiratorial, which is always

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Speaker 1: based on a degree of truth or at least a

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Speaker 1: degree of unanswered questions. As we find that security camera

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Speaker 1: and we see we find out who murdered separate Where

1914
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Speaker 1: did you see a report about a security camera confiscated?

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Speaker 1: There was a there was a investigative reporter in watching

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Speaker 1: NDC who went to a neighbor. Okay, but I need

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Speaker 1: a new news And it was this on like w

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Speaker 1: n D dot dot com or on Is this like

1919
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Speaker 1: an info wars thing or is this something you saw

1920
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Speaker 1: somewhere else? No, I saw it on the internet, but

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Speaker 1: it was a it was actual like somebody I forget

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Speaker 1: who it was. Somebody was investigating the murder and he

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Speaker 1: uh in the interviewed this guy. Um, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about about any investigation or what's

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Speaker 1: happened with this. You know, you would think that a

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Speaker 1: guy who was shot and there's definitely been investigation, they

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Speaker 1: have not found they have not found the murderer, though

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Speaker 1: that is true, and you think of the angle of it.

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Speaker 1: When you think of the angle of it, you know

1930
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Speaker 1: what DNC was doing with Berniey. We know, we know

1931
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Speaker 1: that there was stuff going on, and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: we can and the and the emails, you know, basically

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Speaker 1: saying I mean I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure that

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone Roger Stone, who who is who is a

1935
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Speaker 1: pretty out there guy, was one of the first people

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Speaker 1: to come out and come up with this whole d

1937
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Speaker 1: n c uh, this whole d n c um Seth

1938
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Speaker 1: Rich I think, I said Frank Rich before. Sorry, Seth Rich.

1939
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Speaker 1: Uh probe um, But I look, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: see it. So, but I haven't been following this particular

1941
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Speaker 1: story very closely, so I'll look at it again. Just

1942
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Speaker 1: make sure I'm coming. I'm sorry, it's an angle that

1943
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Speaker 1: nobody that nobody is coming. Yeah, but you've gotta think,

1944
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Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of there are a

1945
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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives, are a lot of people that would

1946
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Speaker 1: want to get to the bottom of this. You know,

1947
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Speaker 1: I think honestly on both sides. If no one's covering again,

1948
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Speaker 1: maybe it's because the story is not as big as

1949
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Speaker 1: people want to believe it is. I'm just putting that

1950
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Speaker 1: out there. It strikes me as a conspiracy right now.

1951
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Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see as much in this

1952
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Speaker 1: as you do, my friend, but I do appreciate you

1953
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Speaker 1: calling in to share it, and I will take a look.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I don't, like I said, I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: But then again, Just because I don't see it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean it's not there. So I will always try to

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Speaker 1: take that approach with everything we're doing here in the

1958
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Speaker 1: Freedom Hut. You know, I thought it was so interesting

1959
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: think the way that the media was reporting on Trump

1960
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Speaker 1: meeting with General c C of Egypt, and you had

1961
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Speaker 1: the New York Times and others. You know, Trump just

1962
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 1: play canting a dictator here, Trump doing all this terrible

1963
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Speaker 1: stuff with l c C, who was just a thug

1964
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Speaker 1: and an autocrat. Keep in mind that before l c

1965
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Speaker 1: C took control and got rid of the Muslim Brotherhood,

1966
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Speaker 1: which wasn't control in Egypt, things were looking very bleak

1967
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Speaker 1: for US there. It was not a foreign policy success

1968
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Speaker 1: at all. And the Obama administration for years was fine

1969
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Speaker 1: with CC in power, or at least it wasn't willing

1970
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Speaker 1: to say anything or do anything about it. I was

1971
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Speaker 1: in Treer Square a few years back and speaking to activists,

1972
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Speaker 1: Egyptian activists about what had happened there. And anybody who

1973
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Speaker 1: thinks that the Muslim Brotherhood was going to be good

1974
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Speaker 1: for that country or was part of a flowering of

1975
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: democracy is delusional. And the Obama administration in the early

1976
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Speaker 1: days when Mubarak was deposed and imprisoned, was very hands

1977
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Speaker 1: off about the whole thing. I mean, Egypt had been

1978
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: an essential ally of the United States in the Mid

1979
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Speaker 1: East for decades, and sure it was a it's an

1980
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Speaker 1: autocratic regime. It is an any time you got a

1981
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Speaker 1: guy in a general's uniform who's not running in elections

1982
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Speaker 1: in charge of a country, you're right to ask some

1983
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Speaker 1: questions and wonder what the heck is going on. But

1984
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 1: in this case, it was certainly in our interests to

1985
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Speaker 1: have a friendly regime in charge in Egypt, and it

1986
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 1: did raise and veris in questions, Well, if the Muslim

1987
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Speaker 1: brotherhood wins, are we supposed to say that that somehow

1988
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Speaker 1: is a good outcome? Just you know, you can allow

1989
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Speaker 1: And now I don't want to go to the Hitler

1990
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Speaker 1: Everyone goes to Hitler, and Hitler wanted a democratic election,

1991
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Speaker 1: which is true, But I don't want to always go

1992
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: to the Hitler point here being just because someone's democratically

1993
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 1: elected doesn't or a party is in power through democratic

1994
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Speaker 1: means doesn't mean that they're not tyrants in their own way,

1995
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Speaker 1: and doesn't mean that we have to be supportive of them.

1996
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Speaker 1: But the underlying point here was as part of the

1997
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Speaker 1: anti Trump hysteria. There was no change really between Trump's

1998
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Speaker 1: bosh or to Egypt and what the Obama administration had

1999
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Speaker 1: been doing visa of the Egypt for years, and it

2000
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Speaker 1: was reported today like there was some big change and

2001
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: the Trump was doing terrible things. Uh, And I think

2002
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: it was Rex Tillerson recently set a Secretary of State

2003
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 1: that all options are on the table for North Korea,

2004
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 1: all options on the table. That's been the policy of

2005
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 1: the US government for like, I don't know, decades, but

2006
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 1: because when Trump says that it's bad, that's a an

2007
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 1: operative principle for the media. We've got a lot coming

2008
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Speaker 1: your way tomorrow here on the show. I'm already excited

2009
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: about some of the guests we have lined up and

2010
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: some of the stories I'm gonna get to talk to

2011
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Speaker 1: you about. Please tell a friend about the show. Follow

2012
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2013
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Speaker 1: Until tomorrow, my friends, Shields Ye