WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Lousy Smarch Weather 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.559 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.240 Listener Mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.640 And it's Monday, the day of the week that we 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:21.360 read back some of the messages that you've sent in recently, Rob, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.200 if you don't mind today, I think I'm going to 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.960 start off with a response. Wow, this was a quick turnaround. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.160 This is a response. We already got to part one 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.440 of our series on The Seven Day Week, which ran 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:40.720 last Thursday. Rob, you cool if I do this one alright? 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.199 This is from Kennedy. Kennedy says, Hi, I just finished 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.520 listening to the part one episode of The Seven Day Week. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:53.000 I was intrigued because I have time space synesthesia, so 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.280 I see time in the space around me, including weeks, months, 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.800 and years. If it hasn't already been done, this would 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.800 make an interesting podcast topic. I don't know. I don't 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.960 know much about this. This sounds fascinating now. Also, while listening, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.959 I kept hoping you would bring up menstruation as a 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.080 biological or natural cause. For weeks or months, I saw 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.480 a post awhile ago hypothesizing that women may have been 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.560 the first to track time in a month like pattern. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.399 Because of twenty eight day minstrel cycles, a period is 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.160 also often five to seven days. Just wondering if you 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.919 looked into the influence of this on our current system 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.520 of months and weeks. Thank you for the fantastic episode. Sincerely, Kennedy. Well, 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.000 thanks Kennedy. Yes, I think these are both really interesting ideas. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.160 In part, when we talked about one of the main 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.880 functions of the week being as an organizing principle for 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.440 what the historian that we cited in that episode, David 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.320 Hankin calls stocktaking, but we were also referring to as 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.720 time conceptualization or mental time travel. Basically, the week plays 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.360 a role in helping us mentally organize events in the 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.240 recent past in near future. And I think on this front, yeah, 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.440 it's it's totally worth remembering that as much as we 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:13.679 all do some extent visualized time, some people really visualized time, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.040 or really have even no choice but to visualize time, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.920 and in a very concrete and vivid way. I remember 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.240 a while back having a conversation with with a family 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.760 member who was if I recall correctly, I think the 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.960 way she was describing things was talking about having a 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.320 form of something like time space synaesthesia, where they would 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.560 they would vividly perceive time as a type of ribbon 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.560 that rotates in a circle around them, and there was 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.240 some kind of visual cue making parts of that ribbon. Um, 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.280 I don't know, like marking them off in terms of 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.040 days or weeks or months. Interesting. Yeah, I mean this 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.480 instantly makes me think, like, whatever is going on with 0:02:54.520 --> 0:03:00.000 that that person's individual um uh, you know, synesthesia experience, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.639 Like how would it differ if they had grown up 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:08.519 with a different perception of time, a different calendar system. Yeah, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.160 But on the second question you raise about the origins 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.480 of the week, and I guess this would not necessarily 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.360 be a strict seven day week, but some kind of 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.240 time organization unit on the order of like five to 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.680 seven days or so on. The origins of that possibly 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.800 being linked to the human minstrel cycle. I don't know 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.160 if anybody has any direct evidence of that, and I 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.360 don't know what that would be. Maybe like I don't know, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.680 written records from the ancient world from you know, Mesopotamia 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:39.200 or anywhere making this connection themselves to tying the earliest 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.040 concepts of weeks to the minstrel cycle. But it seems 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.320 like inherently a very plausible biological basis for that kind 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.400 of organizing principle. Um. Kind of on the same level 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.920 as like the the agricultural market cycle hypothesis. Right. You know, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.360 there are some fairly universal human experiences that are going 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.920 to be happening in cycles on the order of you know, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.440 some group of days that subdivides the lunar month. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.760 And and of course we do know that in different 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:11.440 cultures there would be rituals and practices associated with with 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.880 Instrell cycles. So uh yeah, I initially thought the same thing. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.720 I thought, well, there have to be some papers out 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.400 there that discussed this um that that at least consider 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.280 this connection, uh, if not presents some sort of evidence 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.200 like we're discussing here. But I I really couldn't find 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.080 much out there. Uh. Not to say that my research 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.600 skills are are perfect and above reproach, but if there was, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.640 if there was something good out there, I missed it. Uh. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.760 And I would love to be corrected if if anyone 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.400 out there has a paper or or in fact this 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.960 post that has mentioned I would love to read more. Well, yeah, 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.560 I guess anything you came across that was like a 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:53.800 biological reasoning that you were hypothesizing to underlie the week. Um, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.279 it would be hard to establish a clear link. I 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:57.800 mean I think that was also true when you were 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:02.520 looking at that paper paper in the journal uh Chronobiology International, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.960 that was trying to find some kind of biological origin 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.080 for um, for the seven day week. I mean, whatever 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:09.920 it is, you'd have a hard time showing like, yes, 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.360 this is definitely the reason. But I think some things 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.800 seem at least prima facy plausible and yeah, I would 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.120 definitely say menstruation as one of them. Yeah, it's actually 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.840 briefly mentioned. It's mentioned only once in that Rheinberg at 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.880 All paper and Chronobiology. Uh. They write, quote, we wish 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.559 to point out the endogenous roughly thirty day minstrel rhythm 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.720 of women, which also converts survival rate, is integrated into 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.840 the complex multiple period biological time structure. This raises the 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.680 question of whether the roughly seven day rhythms are in 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.320 any way of survival value for the human or other species. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:55.200 So they're thinking about it, but that's really all there 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.719 is about minstrel cycles in this particular paper. But again, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.000 if someone knows of some some more research writing contemplation 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.159 out there about this possible connection. Shoot it our way. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.800 We'd love to read about it. But either way, Yeah, 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:16.520 strong idea, great email, Kennedy. Oh Rob, there was one 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.599 other h do you mind if I read this next 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.359 message about lava boats is pretty short? Yeah, go for it. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.400 So this is in response to the episode we did, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.279 I guess a couple of weeks ago now about lava 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.039 boats in In sort of both ways, you could interpret that. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.000 I talked for a long time about pumice rafts, you know, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.800 these volcanic rocks that you know, floating on the surface 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.239 of the ocean and make these vast, undulating parking lots 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.600 in the middle of the Pacific. But then we also 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.719 talked about the idea of, well, could you sail a 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.159 boat on a on a flowing river of lava like 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.160 you might see it one of the volcanoes in Hawaii. 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.520 And Zach had some a great point about the latter 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.560 idea about trying to actually sail a boat on on 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.200 a river of lava. So Zack says, Hey, Robert and Joe, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.680 I was thinking about the idea of riding a superheated 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.240 steel boat from lava into water. One thing that came 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.320 to mind was the Leaden frost effect. Depending on your 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.800 momentum when entering the water uh and style of boat 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.680 flat bottom or keeled, you could potentially be in for 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.920 a wild ride. Love the show. It sure helps keep 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.560 this trucker entertained. Thanks for all you guys and your 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.680 team do Zach, Zach. This is a This is a 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.640 great point. The leaden frost effect, for anybody out there 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:31.160 who's not familiar is a is a really interesting physics 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:37.160 principle that essentially has a counterintuitive effect. So like, if 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.280 you heat up a pan and you dribble some water 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.840 into it. Uh, you know, the water the heat the 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.280 heat from the bottom of the metal panel transfer into 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.600 the water and will start to boil. But if you 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.120 get the pan really hot, like ripping hot before you 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.480 dribble the water in, something totally different happens. Instead of 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.800 it pooling on the bottom of the pan and then 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.080 boiling and then boiling off into steam, the droplets of 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.120 water will instead appear to float over the surface of 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.800 the pan and kind of skitter around madly. Uh. And 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.040 they actually, in this form take a longer time to 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.080 boil off than they do if the pan is at 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.960 a lower temperature. And the reason for that is this 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.040 principle known as the leading frost effect. It's where when 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.920 there's a huge temperature difference, the h the steam that 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.560 comes off of that you know, piece of that, that 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.160 little droplet of water creates an insulating layer. It's sort 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.600 of like a cushion of water vapor that's instantly vaporized. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.560 That makes it take longer for the heat to transfer 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.559 into that droplet of water and essentially makes it float 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.120 over the surface of the pan. And you can imagine 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.600 a similar thing going on with any kind of superheated 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.240 piece of metal coming into contact with water, maybe sort 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.200 of like dancing around on a on a cushion of steam. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.840 Oh wow, Yeah, I didn't really think about this in 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.880 our initial discussion. Yeah that this this, this might make 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:08.160 a really wild ride for sure. Yeah. All right. We 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.480 have a response to a Vault episode here from Jim 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.360 in New Jersey. Uh, specifically our ketchup episode of Invention, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.320 which we recently re aired. Uh. Jim says, Robert and Joe, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.160 there was a Hines processing plant in my hometown of 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.520 south central Pennsylvania. A family friend worked there. He refused 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.200 to eat Hinz Ketchup based on what he witnessed in 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.640 the processing. Figuratively, he saw how the sausage was made, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.280 but literally he saw how the Ketchup was made. But 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.800 he would eat other brands of Ketchup. His family would 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.040 tease him and ask, do you think they make Ketchup 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.760 any differently? I didn't think about this. Is is Hins 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.120 gonna come after us with their lawyers for reading this 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:52.560 or whatever? I like Hines Ketchup. There you go, unpaid endorsement. Yeah, anyway, 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.360 he continues. You ended your invention of of the Ketchup 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.839 episode by asking if you had any listeners who had 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.960 never eaten ketch Up. I can't be that listener, but 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.680 I know one person whom I can guarantee never tasted 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.920 catch Up. My father. My dad was an extremely picky eater. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.960 He wouldn't eat any foods to contain tomatoes in any form. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.520 No catch up, spaghetti and sauce, pizza, sliced tomatoes, etcetera. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.960 He would eat spaghetti with melted butter on it. Tomatoes 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.000 was only one of his forbidden foods, but it was 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.160 probably the one that cast the widest net. Unfortunately, Dad 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.360 died years ago, so I can't follow up with him 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.000 about this due to his tomato aversion. I never tasted 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.280 pizza until age fifteen, when on the way home from 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.000 a Saturday school trip, the bus stopped at Pizza Hut 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.960 for dinner. After one taste, I practically moaned, what is 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:45.319 this food of the gods? Jim and New Jersey? Oh wow, Jim. Well, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.319 so I can sort of relate because I never went 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.560 that far. Like, I always liked pizza and stuff, but um, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.439 unless it was in a highly sort of processed and 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.119 sort of hidden form, actually did not much like tomatoes 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.480 when I was a little kid. Uh. There there were 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.680 weird exceptions though, I mean I did like some things 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.040 with tomatoes in them, but like most of the time, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.200 if if there were visible chunks of tomato and something 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.679 I did not like it, did not want it. And 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.920 I don't know what changed. I mean, now tomatoes are 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.880 one of my favorite foods. But but yeah, as a kid, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.800 I remember being grossed out. Yeah, I don't remember being 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.840 super into just like raw tomatoes when I was a 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.959 little kid. My son, however, as always eating them. He's 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.560 a He's a much better eater than I was at 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.520 his green up growing up, Um, like a pretty early 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.240 age you would pick up a tomato and just eat 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.720 like an apple. So yeah, no problem there. But you know, 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.560 if you're not in you know, even if you're not 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.040 into tomato based substances or for some reason you can't 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.439 have tomato based foods, you can certainly still have pizza. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.160 You can get a white pizza, you can have like 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.880 a pesto based pizza. Um. And I would agree that 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:55.680 the pizza not a controversial opinion here is pretty great. Uh. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.920 And I would expand that to to when I say 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.839 pizza did not just mean like literal pizza, and also 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.240 some of the sort of turf wars between like one 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.359 pizza tradition in another. But if you just take in 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:13.360 into account like all flat bread based foods, um, it's 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.360 it's a perfect formula. You know. Actually thinking about food 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.000 versions of this type though it's making me wonder, like 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.360 what is the psychological basis of food aversion? Like how 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.080 is a food you don't like represented in the brain? 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.800 Because it just remembering my childhood, so there were so 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.240 many things I didn't want to eat because I thought 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.840 I didn't like tomatoes, but like I loved tomato salsa, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.440 and I would eat pizza that had tomato sauce on. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.960 It was like tomato worked as a sauce or something 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.800 like if it was in liquid form, But I didn't 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.520 want chunks of tomato. I think I don't know why 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.920 that would be, like what's happening in my little kid 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.040 brain to cause me to feel like that. I mean, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.280 it's a pretty complex issue. I know there've been some 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.480 some papers written on this. I know some of it 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.160 comes down to two textures and uh, and I'm not 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.520 sure in all cases what the exact principle is there. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.120 I mean, sometimes it's something to do with the path 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.920 the actual like physical palate of the mouth. I've also 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.840 read that, of course, when you're getting into things like 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.240 spices and more complex flavors. Uh. You know, part of that, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.960 of course is it's literally a developed taste. But in 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.760 other cases, I think there's a strong argument that like 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.800 a smile child could not survive a dose of a 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.280 of a poison that might otherwise be okay in an 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.439 adults body, and therefore there they have to be more 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.560 selective in what they will actually tolerate. Oh interesting, Yeah, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.120 lower lower body mass means that you you have to 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.520 protect yourself more with your mouth. Yeah. Now, I haven't 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.839 actually looked at at the research on that, so I 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.960 don't know if that's a popular opinion right now or 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.679 you know, popular hypothesis, or if they're uh, you know, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.079 it's the kind of thing that we have to perhaps 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.319 come back and discuss in greater detail, but very I mean, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.960 you do have kids, little kids that are all in 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.000 on spice, but a lot of kids seem to be, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.280 you know, kind of you have to ease into it. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:17.520 You have to develop that spice taste over time. All right. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.200 This next message was in response to the Moses effect. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.800 This is from Shannon. If you didn't catch that recent 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.280 Vault episode. The Moses effect, again, is a phenomenon that 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.040 falls under the category of knowledge neglect, where if you 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.560 ask somebody how many of each type of animal did 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.520 Moses take onto the arc, most people will say too 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.160 even though they know that it was in the story, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.360 it was Noah and not Moses. So you just like 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.600 ignore that part of the question. It just like doesn't 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:47.200 even register in your mind. Um so, so Shannon says, Hi, guys, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.800 I don't know if you explicitly mentioned it, but it 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.840 seems to me that the Moses effect is dramatically lowered 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:57.320 when a foreign language is involved. I speak German, and 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.040 if I were to translate a question to or from English, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.960 I know that I would detect the trickery much more 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.040 quickly than if I simply answered when I was more 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.560 fluent in German, I might have been more prone to 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.640 fall for the deception. I assume the same is true 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.440 for any non native English speaker, that they would notice 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.080 that Moses is the incorrect actor in the question. I 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.920 think the implication of this is that the trickery in 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:26.280 the Moses illusion relies on fluency, and the trickster quote 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.640 surfs the wave of that fluency to get past our 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.800 usual breakers. Thanks for all you do, Shannon, Uh yeah, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.120 I'd say on his face that that totally makes sense 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.040 to me. In fact, it's been a while since we 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.760 did that episode, so I don't remember for sure. But 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.760 I think some of the studies that looked at the 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.720 Moses effect looked into whether altering processing fluency, like doing 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.840 something to make it harder to understand the question or 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.680 make it go slower as you absorb it, would increase 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.240 people's chance of noticing it. But again, I don't remember. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:05.480 It's been a bit alright. As some of you know, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.080 we have a discord, uh message board? Is that what 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.360 you call it? Discord? We have a discord. I guess 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.760 it's maybe the way of saying it. I've still never 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.080 been there. Yeah, I I poke around in there, and 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.280 there's a a number of users in there. It's it's 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.080 very chill. If you were interested in joining the discord, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.280 just shoot us an email. You doing the email address 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.480 at the end of this episode, and I'll shoot you 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.400 back the invite code UM, because I don't think there's 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.240 a way to just automatically point you to it. But anyway, 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.960 we heard from a listener by the name of ev 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.120 EVI writes in and says the following. From the episode 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.960 Music and Memory, Rob mentions a song in the beginning 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.240 uh m nine. This is by Boards of Canada from 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.680 a Few Old Tunes, Volume one. They include a link 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.360 to both the discogs page about it discogs dot com 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.800 of course, tremendous resource anytime you're you're researching albums and 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.359 artists and in particular releases and so forth. And they 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.199 also include um YouTube clip uh and they say this 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.080 song reminded me of music featured in the computer animated 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:17.440 movie The Mind's I. The similarities in the music were 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.720 not as close as I originally thought, but I figured 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.360 you all might enjoy this classic and maybe someone will 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.439 hear the song M nine and spark a memory of 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.159 something else that gets closer. And for your auditory and 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.560 visual pleasure, here's the sequel, Beyond the Mind's Eye, and 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.000 they include a link to that as well. Um, Joe, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:39.360 do you remember The Mind's I? Uh, not by title alone. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.760 I don't know, maybe if I watched it. So this 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.320 was especially the first one i've I've kind of finally remember, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.320 because there were a lot of TV ads for it 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.760 you could you could send off to get a copy 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.480 of this. It was a like a VHS of all 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.439 of this just cutting edge computer animation stuff that I 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.600 don't know. I haven't I haven't rewatched all of it, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.400 but some of it would probably come off a bit 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.040 rough by today's standards for sure, But you know, it's 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.000 very like dreamy and kind of new a G and 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:17.600 futuristic and I had to look it up one. James 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.080 Reynolds did the music for the first one. I think 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.920 some different artists were involved in music for the subsequent releases, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.200 but yeah, this one, this one was advertised all over 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.000 the place, and I think I may be rented it 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.439 from a VHS store at some point. So this was 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:38.720 like a mail order computer animation clip show. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.520 there's like an eight hundred number you could call and 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.080 you could order your own copy of The Mind's Eye. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.320 And uh. I remember at the time it was like 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.480 you would you would see these commercials and you're like, wow, 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.280 the future is here. Look at this. It's like pure 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.800 moods for the eyes. Oh yeah, I mean I would. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.480 I would very much classify in the same category. Have 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.800 pure moods is another one of those that is the 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.639 Your Moods was a purely a musical release, of course, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.879 but there were a lot of TV ads for it, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.800 and it had had some great tracks on it. I 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.560 still think about Pyramids at least once a month. Wait, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.280 my memory can't be right because I'm remembering. It had 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:20.000 like the Exorcist theme and the theme from the X Files, 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.680 but also India and stuff. It was pretty great. Great. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.840 I definitely had a copy together. Yeah, and it I 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.760 think it actually it introduced me to a number of 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:34.639 these artists. Yeah, you had Enigma, Anya um uh. A 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:39.960 number of big evangelist is on there, Micah um oldfield In, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:44.480 Neil Morriconi, the Orb, Brian Eno. You also got a 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.840 little Kinny g in there. But yeah, a lot of 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.600 big names and sort of the like the New Age 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:56.119 and electronic uh uh, you know world U Tubular Bells 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.000 part one being the Exorcist theme song. See now I 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.840 want to listen to it. Can practically I can hear 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.040 that Enigma song returned to Innocence. I just pounding through 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.959 my head. Now, wow, what a strange idea, But like, 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.320 I don't know, I just it was one of those 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.040 things you see it on TV as a kid, You're 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.439 just like, Okay, this is what culture is. Yeah, this 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:21.720 this is the world I was born into. Let's see, Rob, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.440 I'm taking a look at some of these other messages 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.920 you brought in from the discord, since I haven't seen 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.440 these before. Oh we have one from Robin tying back 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.480 to Jim's message about the about the Ketchup Vault episode. 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.320 Robin says, with regards to the Ketchup episode, if you 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.359 folks have not yet tried kim chi on your hot 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.359 dog type food of choice, I will highly recommend it. Uh, well, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.760 Robin would go right along with that, because obviously, you know, 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.800 a cabbage type vegetable, especially in some sort of fermented 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.359 or dressed form, works well on a hot dog, and 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.040 some people put cole slaw on there or Sauer kraut. Yeah, 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.520 kimchi works great as well. But then Robin goes on 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.639 to say, um may I also recommend squigging some q 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.040 P Japanese style mayo on there, in keeping with Joe's 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:09.639 recommended go chu jong and mayo dipping sauce. Um. I 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.680 don't think I've ever tried exactly that QP spelled k 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.760 e w P i e in in English is a 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.479 I don't know how exactly it's different than just regular 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.399 American mayonnaise, but but there there's something different about it, 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.639 has a different kind of richness or something. The bottle 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.120 looks very cute too, like I wanted to squeeze it. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.560 But but I don't think I've ever actually had it myself. 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.520 I always end up using um mayo or vegan mayo 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.679 just from the grocery store. Um, but I want to 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.480 try it. I'm actually having kim chi with mayo on 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.560 veggie dogs for dinner. Tonight. Wow, I'm excited. Well, what 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.040 a coincidence. So I don't think I would normally, under 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:54.240 regular circumstances just go with a type of mayonnaise on 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.560 a hot dog, but yeah, I can go well when 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.840 paired with other types of condiments like sharper condiments or 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.280 something that secidic, like like kim chi or something. Um. 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.440 I remember many many years ago when I went to Iceland. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.640 There they have a special way of dressing their pilcer 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.000 the hot dogs there, like you would get it basically 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:18.239 any any gas station there. That's like, uh, there's like 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.359 I don't remember, like four or five condiments that go 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.000 on everything. It includes like some onions and some kind 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.199 of sharper kind of sweet and sour sauce, and then 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.960