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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are

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Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, z ephibast start changing it

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Speaker 2: with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 3: Hate Jamie, Hey, Caitlin, did I ever tell you about

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Speaker 3: how my dad actually died in a graphic motorcycle accident

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Speaker 3: where his body was strewn all over New York City?

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Speaker 3: Ever heard of it?

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Speaker 4: What? Oh my gosh. Now I'm actually sorry that my

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Speaker 4: mom was being a huge bitch to you a second ago.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't before, but now I am.

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Speaker 3: No, I understand, but just so you know that my

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Speaker 3: dad definitely died in that exact way.

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Speaker 4: Totally. Wow, this movie is kind of like Mean Girls,

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Speaker 4: isn't it?

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Speaker 3: At least the first act? Yeah, because I had not Well,

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Speaker 3: we'll get into this, but I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, what, it's a warm up. I think it is

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Speaker 4: a warm up, yeah for me and girls. Anyways, Welcome

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Speaker 4: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 3: My name is Kitlyn Drante or is it Ooh wow,

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Speaker 3: it's Mary. They're a liar, Mary Durante. This is our show.

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Speaker 3: Where we analyze movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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Speaker 3: the Bechdel test as simply a jumping off point to

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Speaker 3: initiate larger conversations. But Jamie tell us tell me, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Caitlin aka Mary Mary, and anyone else what the Bechdel

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Speaker 3: test is?

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Speaker 4: Please yes, well. It is a media metric invented by

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Speaker 4: queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel. Sometimes it's called the Bechdel Wallace Test.

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Speaker 4: Originally made as a bit for Alison Bechdel's famous comic

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Speaker 4: strip Likes to Watch Out four in the eighties, but

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Speaker 4: it has since become a popular media metric. Lots of

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Speaker 4: different versions of here's the one that we talk about.

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Speaker 4: Towards the end of every episode, we require that there

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Speaker 4: be two characters of a marginalized gender with names who

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Speaker 4: talk to each other about something other than a man

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Speaker 4: for more than two lines of dialogue, preferably a meaningful exchange.

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Speaker 4: And spoiler alert. Because it's such a small part of

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Speaker 4: the show, we're not going to have much of an

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Speaker 4: issue on this show. There's not going to be a

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Speaker 4: lot of teasing things apart not for this movie. This

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Speaker 4: movie is about girls lying to each other. About kind

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Speaker 4: of whatever and that passes, and that's beautiful, and we

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Speaker 4: celebrate that this is a movie about women's wrongs. Yes,

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Speaker 4: because we are covering Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen,

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Speaker 4: a two thousand and three movie starring Lindsay Lohan.

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Speaker 3: It's so true. And I also did not realize this

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Speaker 3: was a Disney movie. We've been covering so many live

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Speaker 3: action Disney movies recently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I do feel the need to repeat,

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Speaker 4: you know, I will piss on Bob Iger's grave, etc. However,

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Speaker 4: this is the show, and the show is about formative

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Speaker 4: movies and whether we like it or not, Confessions of

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Speaker 4: a Teenage Drama Queen its impact was felt.

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Speaker 3: Sure, let's get our guests in the mix. I'm very excited,

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Speaker 3: so excited to have hosts of the podcast Black People

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Speaker 3: Love Paramore. It's Sequoya Holmes. Hello, Hello, and welcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here talking about this movie

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yes, tell us all about your relationship with this movie.

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Speaker 1: So I was a Disney Channel kid, and I would

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Speaker 1: like to specify that that is different from a Disney kid.

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Speaker 1: I was not a Disney kid. I was a Disney

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Speaker 1: Channel kid. This movie was in constant rotation on Disney

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Speaker 1: Channel at a point probably around the year came out,

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Speaker 1: maybe the next year. They had the promos everywhere. I

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Speaker 1: I had not seen it in about fifteen years, So yes,

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Speaker 1: I watched it a lot as a kid.

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Speaker 3: Nice Jamie, how about you?

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Speaker 4: Similar deal? I think I saw this movie in theaters

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Speaker 4: when it came out. I feel like I was like

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Speaker 4: the target audience for this movie and also huge dcom fan.

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Speaker 4: We just covered Smart House, Oh, one of the al timers.

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Speaker 1: O fantastic one.

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Speaker 4: It's so good. And this movie does feel like a

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Speaker 4: high budget d com and that's a compliment, yes, where

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of like sound effects, a lot of boyings,

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Speaker 4: a d com. Yeah, boying, splat, mommy daddy, and that's

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Speaker 4: kind of how it goes. And I ate that shit up.

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Speaker 4: And I also loved Lindsay Lohan still do she just

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Speaker 4: Did keep up, So congratulations to her. I found it

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Speaker 4: out from Jamie Lee Curtis's Instagram. Doesn't matter, but that

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Well, because she is Lindsay Lohan's mom more or less.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, she seems to still kind of feel that way,

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Speaker 4: and I thought that was really sweet.

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Speaker 3: And at one point she was Lindsay Lohan. That's a connection.

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Speaker 3: You don't forget very.

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Speaker 1: Much that that's true.

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Speaker 4: They literally swapped. Yeah, so two thousand and three Lindsay Lohan.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we're kind of approaching because I

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Speaker 4: and I was so. I just remember loving this movie

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Speaker 4: I remembered the entire Sid Arthur song, which I wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's so good, so good. I didn't remember that

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Speaker 1: I don't get there.

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Speaker 4: Was no answers were given, but I'm so excited to

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Speaker 4: talk about it. I think that some parts of it

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Speaker 4: hold up in an interesting ways, and other parts of

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Speaker 4: it are parts of the movie. Yeah, yeah, sure, Kaitlyn,

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Speaker 4: went's your history with this one?

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Speaker 3: I had never seen it. I think this was targeted

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, grow Lola does need to grow up. She

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I had never seen it. I also get

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Speaker 4: You know, one can't be blamed. I've never seen Concussion

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Speaker 3: Me either, but I think we've gotten requests for it,

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I remember reading those books because I

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Speaker 3: Sure we still are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like pink book. My daughter can read it.

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Speaker 4: And that's how I learned how people with Vagina's masturbate.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know. Oh, and then I read that book.

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Speaker 4: When I was like ten, I was like, you can

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Speaker 3: I learned you can masturbate by masturbating.

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Speaker 4: And likewise, I really needed instruction wholesome and that depressed

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Speaker 4: I have a lot of thoughts on. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: Same. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The DDR scene, Oh say that you will about this movie.

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Speaker 4: The DDR scene. You can't take it from us.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, so funny.

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Speaker 3: Shall I get into the recap and we'll go from there.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it, and so I feel free to jump

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Speaker 3: H Okay, we're in New York City, we meet a

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Speaker 3: refer to her as Lola. She is fantasizing about being

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Speaker 4: Can I just shout out really quickly. At the beginning,

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I was unsettled by the flip at the

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Speaker 4: by the flip. Uncanny Valley stuff really does not sit

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Speaker 4: accent hasn't improved since the Parent Trap no offense. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: then she's like, I yay, I live in New York, ghippie.

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Speaker 4: And then she flips and it is like, it's the weirdest.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the thing that the guy does and singing in

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Speaker 4: She does a full on like CGI stunt. It was alarming.

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Speaker 4: It's really funny.

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Speaker 4: And they've like piped in ad r over it to

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Speaker 4: I mean we prepped for this episode a couple of

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Speaker 4: we not know at what point Lindsay Lohan's love interest

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Speaker 4: becomes relevant to the story, But we can't cut the flips.

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Speaker 3: It's haunted. Okay. So Lola starts at a new school

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Speaker 3: where she meets Ella. Also the two main characters being

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Speaker 3: Lola and Ella. They sound too similar. That was a

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Speaker 3: screenwriting problem anyway. Ella is played by Ellison pill Baby.

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Speaker 3: They both love this band called sid Arthur and it's

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Speaker 3: It's nice, yeah, for sure. And then Lola meets Carla Santini.

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Speaker 1: was looking at I was like, this is the girl

436
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: that couldn't keep Life with Derek on air because.

437
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: Like they were too horny to write play steps of.

438
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: And they were actually fucking so wow.

439
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 4: I feel like every time I hear the Life with

440
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 4: Derek saga, it's like a fever dream because you're like,

441
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 4: that is so scary and also just so Disney. It's like, no,

442
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: they have too much chemisty. The kids are going to

443
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: get the wrong idea.

444
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: I didn't see it at all as a child. I

445
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: thoroughly did not see it. But other kids swear they

446
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: saw it. Now that we're adults, are like, no, I

447
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: always thought it was weird. No, you didn't.

448
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: You were sure Disney executives sealing children's jobs because they're

449
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 4: a little too good at their job. That's Life with

450
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: Derek was. I think that was like the tail end

451
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: of my Disney Channel career. Fair to the point where

452
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: I was basically watching in secret and I don't remember

453
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 4: seeing it, and I was too old to be watching

454
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 4: it so fair.

455
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: I might have been a little bit too. It was Canadian.

456
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: That was another thing about it was like a little like,

457
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, Canadian television has a little weirdness to it.

458
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 4: Did you watch Degrassy?

459
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: I was huge, huge to Grassy.

460
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 4: My cousin and I the first eBay purchase that I

461
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 4: ever made. We did it in secret on my aunt's

462
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: account because we bought a bootleg DVD of the abortion

463
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: episode of Degrassi.

464
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: They yes, Yes, I watched it one time and I

465
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: was like, why did I never see this episode again?

466
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: They aired it one time.

467
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 4: On the end, I would watch a three hour documentary

468
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: about why that wasn't I mean, I know why it

469
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: wasn't shown in the US, but I want emails.

470
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: I really want to know. They showed so much wild

471
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: shit on de Grassy all of the time. I'm like,

472
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so far I don't understand.

473
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: Okay, they showed the episode of de Grassi where Emma's like,

474
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 4: I go to the woods and have sex for different

475
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 4: colored bracelets and that was just something that writer's made up.

476
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: Right and got goner rhea and she calls it a

477
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: social disease, and it's like a whole traumatizing thing. Like

478
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: if you're watching as a child, you're like, oh shit,

479
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: Like I can't fucking ever get gone ariha or something.

480
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: It's just a lot.

481
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 4: Gagassi is a lot and this's voice is forever locked

482
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: into my head. You gave me a social disease.

483
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Like she really felt that with her whole heart.

484
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: Wow, Oh I love that show anyway. What oh, because

485
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: Life with Derek Canada Confessions.

486
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: Had a lot of leaves there.

487
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was beautiful to watch.

488
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: But if you were born within a five year period, you.

489
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 3: I missed all of that. Okay, thank you for the best. Okay.

490
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: So then Lola hear's the news that her favorite band,

491
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: Said Arthur broke up because the lead singer Stu Wolf

492
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: has left the band, and she's devastated. Then there's the

493
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: DDR scene where Lola challenges Carla to a DDR contest,

494
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: during which Carla tells Lola that she has insider info

495
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: that sid Arthur is playing one final farewell concert in

496
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: New York next month. Plus there's an after party, but

497
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: it's very exclusive and it's invite only, and Lola lies

498
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: and says that she and Ella already have tickets and

499
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: invitations to the party.

500
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Now, this scene is a maze amazing. Lola's outfit from

501
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: this scene. She has on like a backwards trucker hat,

502
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 1: Bary Britney Spears Circle two thousand and three and a

503
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: jersey and it is so Miley Cyrus in the twenty

504
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: three music video coded to Me Very I'm in the

505
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: club high Off Perp with my jays on, and I

506
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: loved it so much. I was thoroughly entertained.

507
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: I read that this was so intense that Megan Fox

508
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: had a body double for the DDR scene really because she's, oh, yeah,

509
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: which I don't know. I mean, I guess she was

510
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 4: doing like kicks and stuff. I don't know. I just

511
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: love It's like I had a whole headcanon thing when

512
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 4: I was rewatching that scene because this movie is written

513
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: by Gail Parent who's like a legendary writer and but

514
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: was in her sixties when she wrote this, so I

515
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 4: feel like she probably just like asked her like granddaughter

516
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 4: or grandkid, like, hey, what's something like dynamic that kids do,

517
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: so this scene isn't boring and they're like, DDDR baby.

518
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: I find it very funny. So there are a lot

519
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 3: of popular girl tropes present in the Carla character. But

520
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: then also she's a theater kid who's a DDR champion,

521
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: which is wow, extremely subversive for a popular.

522
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 4: I remember being like, it's weird that she's really good

523
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: at DDR, and people are like, this is cool. I

524
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: don't remember that being the general narrative. I remember, like

525
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: my best friend from like first grade to forever, like

526
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: was really good at DDR. But being good at DDR

527
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: first of all did not mean you were cool. And

528
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: second of all, it did not mean you were a

529
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: good dancer. That's the most important part. It just meant

530
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 4: you could stomp really fast.

531
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: Now, maybe it was cool because Carla Santini was into it,

532
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: and so maybe it was cool. And then New Jersey

533
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: suburb that they were from, because Carla could do it.

534
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: I could see it. I can see it, low raise jeans,

535
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: DDR perfect, terrifying.

536
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: It did look hard. I wouldn't have been able to

537
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: do it either, So I understand her having a body double.

538
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: That tells me Lindsay did not have a body double,

539
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: and she decided to do that on her.

540
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna learn the choreography.

541
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Good on you, Good on you, Lindsay, couldn't be me,

542
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: but you got it.

543
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: Good for her.

544
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: Okay. So now Lola has to scramble to get tickets

545
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: to the concert, but her mom won't let her go.

546
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: So then Lola goes on a very culturally appropriative hunger

547
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: strike to talk about that, and then her dad, who

548
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 3: turns out to be alive. He is not dead and

549
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: smeared all over the streets of New York City at all.

550
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: He's alive. He offers to take Lola. So now Lola

551
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: is going to the concert, and Ella agrees to go

552
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: with her, and they're about to buy tickets, but oh no,

553
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: they're sold out and they have no idea how to

554
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 3: get an invitation to the after party.

555
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: Right, Lola says that she cannot go with her dad,

556
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: and she doesn't explain why, and it's because she's told

557
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: Ella that her dad is dead and strewn across New

558
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: York City and so she's like, no, no, no, he

559
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: can't go, and so she somehow convinces her mom to

560
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: let her and Ella go alone or Ella's parents will

561
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: be in New York City for some reason to.

562
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: Pick them up from the statation.

563
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she's like, okay, whatever, you can go.

564
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: But little does Lola know her mom has actually had

565
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: her dad go into the city and tail that stocks them.

566
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: Yes, I think this mom character is I mean, there's

567
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: not much to her, but I feel like maybe it's

568
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: just like the actor, but I feel like there's more

569
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: to this mom character than I thought, because it felt

570
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: like she's both very like she clearly loves Lola, but

571
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: is also so sick of her shit at all times.

572
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: There's no scene she's in with Lola, or she's not

573
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: completely exhausted when the scene starts, like they don't even

574
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: get into arguments because she just like doesn't have the

575
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: energy for it.

576
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: From like speaking to my own mother about raising me

577
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: as a teenager, I liked to think I was a

578
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: delight Allegedly that's how a lot of mothers feel about

579
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: their teenage children, and I was nowhere near a dramatic

580
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: as Lola. My mom was so over by the time

581
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: I was about fifteen or sixteen. She was like, I

582
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: was so overparenting you, Like it wasn't even a joke.

583
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: I was so exhausting, So sure that checked.

584
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: I liked it. Yeah, especially because she had like twins

585
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: who were young and then the most dramatic teenage shatter

586
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: of all time. It does seem exhausting. I liked the

587
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: performance because I feel like, usually the mother's either goofy

588
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: or like helicopter, but this, this one's just tired.

589
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: It's realistic.

590
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: She just wants to make pottery in New Jersey, you know.

591
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: And I'm an only child, so the two twins, I'm

592
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: sure she was over it.

593
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't even imagine. Yeah, Okay, so they don't

594
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: have tickets, they don't have an invitation, but Lola is like,

595
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: don't worry, we'll go buy tickets from scalpers and we'll

596
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: figure out the rest from there. So they make arrangements

597
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: with Ella's parents to pick up the girls when they

598
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: get into the city, and then so they're all set

599
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: to go to the concert. Lola tries to pick out

600
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: an outfit. There's a toll kind of montage. She can't

601
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: figure out what to wear from her own clothes, so

602
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: she asks Sam to steal her Eliza costume so that

603
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: she can wear that, because we're like, I guess Sam

604
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: needs something to do. He hasn't been in the movie

605
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: for twenty five minutes, so that doesn't.

606
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: To be why that's there. There's a scene where I

607
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: think this has already happened at this point, but where

608
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 4: like I had like a meltdown and I rewound and

609
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: I was like, no, rewound ough that maicsy sound so old.

610
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: I went back in the file I was watching because

611
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: at one point you just cut to all three of

612
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: them are hanging out, and you're like, when did he

613
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: become involved with this friend? Grip and I checked, and

614
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: we don't know. We don't off screen he became friends

615
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: with them because she has a crush on him. It's

616
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: implied that Ella knows him. It didn't seem like they

617
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: were friends.

618
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm confused.

619
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: We don't know who they are to each other La Sam. Yeah,

620
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: I guess they're friends, but we never see them interacting,

621
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: so we don't know they're dynamic.

622
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: No, I guess New Jersey small Town is what I'm

623
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: supposed to take.

624
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: From it, Like, I guess, So it was so confused.

625
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: I like went back and watched the scene where she's like, oh,

626
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: that's Sam, and I guess I like misinterpreted it and

627
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: have my teen movie goggles on where I thought she

628
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: was saying that's Sam, like he's he would never talk

629
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: to us, but apparently she's like, that's Sam my good friend,

630
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: but we'll be with him. It's so hard to know.

631
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So Lola is getting her costume stolen for her. Meanwhile,

632
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: opening night for the play that I kept forgetting was

633
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: part of the movie. Opening night is in one week,

634
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: so that's coming up, and then the concert is that night.

635
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: So Lola and Ella go to the concert, but oops,

636
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: they've lost the cash to pay for the tickets from scalpers.

637
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 3: They try and fail to sneak in, and so Lola

638
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: is like, all right, don't worry. Well, we can still

639
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: go to the after party. So they walk sixty seven blocks,

640
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: not sure why they don't take the subway, especially because

641
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: it's pouring rain, but they walk to Soho.

642
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: They lost their money, oh.

643
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: All of it, Like damn, Nola didn't have her own wallet.

644
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm confused, Yeah, don't they have like five bucks for

645
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: who knows? So they get to Soho where the party is,

646
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: and Lola's dad is there like tailing them, keeping an

647
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: eye on them, and she's like, Dad, go away, and

648
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: Ella doesn't realize that this guy who is following them

649
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: is Lola's dad. She just thinks he's like a stalker and.

650
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: She's panicked behind it. Mind you, she's freaking out that

651
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: this grown man with a dog is stalking them in

652
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: the rain, these two girls in these dresses. Yeah, I

653
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: too would be scared.

654
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember maybe having this thought when I first started,

655
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: or the last time I saw it, where it's like

656
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: a feeling of internalized shame when you're watching a movie

657
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: and they're like, we can't give up now, and just

658
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: knowing in my heart I would have given up by now.

659
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh a long time ago.

660
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: I would be back at the hotel. And also they're

661
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: staying at like the Ritz or what I'm like, I.

662
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: Would be back at the hotel something like that.

663
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get out of here.

664
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: I could always just go home, not a problem. Yeah.

665
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: I love going home.

666
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. It's raining,

667
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm going home.

668
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to walk more than five minutes. I won't, No,

669
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: thank you, I'm going home. Yeah. So they finally reach

670
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: Stu Wolf's loft where the party is, and Stu comes outside.

671
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: He's played by who I forgot to write it down.

672
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 4: He's played by Adam Garcia, who I don't know any

673
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 4: I think he's mostly at the other guy.

674
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: Okay, So Stu comes outside. He is drunk and he's

675
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: making a scene, and Lola and Ella rush over. They

676
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: find him passed out in a pile of trash bags.

677
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: They take him to a diner, and then there's this

678
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: thing where he drunkenly throws a doughnut at a cop.

679
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: So they all get taken to a police station, and

680
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: then Lola's dad has to come and bail them out,

681
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: which is when Ella learns that Lola was lying about

682
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: her dad dying in that motorcycle accident. And Ella is

683
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: furious that she made up such a horrible lie, and

684
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: Lola's like, well, I wanted to seem more interesting, and

685
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 3: also your family was shaming my family, so screw you.

686
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: They get cleared to leave the police station and Stu

687
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: is like, you all shall come to my party. So

688
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: Lola and Ella and one of the cops goes to

689
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 3: the after party.

690
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: I kind of forget that the cop tags along.

691
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: And don't remember that, Yeah, she's there still in uniform.

692
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: One of the few people of color with a speaking

693
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: role in the entire movie. And so at the party,

694
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 3: Lola and Ella they chat, they make up their friends again,

695
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: and they see Carla there, who is visibly pissed that

696
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: they managed to get into this exclusive party with Stu

697
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: Wolf hanging out with Stewolf.

698
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Carla is Dia Ballacle. I forgot how she

699
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: handles the situation the next day, and a classic situation

700
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: where a problem could be resolved by having a digital camera,

701
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 4: which most teenage girls or many teenage girls did in

702
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: two thousand and three, just photo evidence. But what can

703
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: you do?

704
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: For some reason, I remember a digital camera. They didn't

705
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: have one though, because they didn't have photo evidence.

706
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: They did not know they didn't. I was like, I

707
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: guess that you would have to be in a certain

708
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: like class to be But it's like they're all rich.

709
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: Maybe they left it in the bag with the money.

710
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: It's true, Yeah, they left it. I love that a

711
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: critical thing happens, like where they lose all the money

712
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: mid montage. You don't see it coming, right.

713
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then at the party, Lola has like a

714
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: one on one chat with Stu and she realizes that

715
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: he's not the like poet and lyrical genius and deep

716
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: thinker that she thought he was. He's actually just a

717
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 3: drunk loser. So she and Ella leave. Cut to them

718
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 3: back at school and Carla is like, Lola, you didn't

719
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 3: go to that party. You're lying. Also you lied about

720
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: your dad, and also your name isn't even Lola, it's Mary.

721
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 4: Carla is taking big swings twenty four to seven, and

722
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: she's hidden without well almost without fail. She's about to

723
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: take her biggest and most illogical swing and it almost

724
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: plays out for her, which is wild.

725
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: Right because this scene happens in a classroom, and then

726
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: the following scene happens when they're rehearsing for Eliza Roxx

727
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: and Carla humiliates her in front of the whole cast

728
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: and miss Bagoli and.

729
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 4: He laughs at her.

730
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: Who on it? Yeah, She's just like what a loser

731
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: this Lola is? COO.

732
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: I did kind of of laugh. I was like, you know,

733
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: miss bag is underpaid, she's allowed to laugh at her

734
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: students every once in a while.

735
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: Miss So now everyone thinks that Lola is a big liar,

736
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 3: and she gets is, yeah, that is so true.

737
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: Now that that justifies Carla. But she is a big lie.

738
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: She's imaginative.

739
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: But this is the one thing she didn't lie about.

740
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: But you know the cry Wolf, that whole thing.

741
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: Whoa is that? His name is Wolf?

742
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Wow another conspiracy.

743
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: If that was a coincidence and they I would be

744
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 4: kicking myself.

745
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: So everyone at school is against Lola. She's very depressed.

746
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: She fakes being sick so that she can get out

747
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: of like doing the play and being friends with anyone.

748
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: But then Ella shows up and she gives her this

749
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: heartfelt speech about how Lola has inspired her and how

750
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: she can't give up, and so Lola gets up and

751
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: goes to the school. The play is about to start

752
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: with Carla playing the role of Eliza, but then Lola

753
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: shows up to reclaim her role, much to Carla's dismay.

754
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: Then the play goes well, and a star is indeed

755
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 3: born in Lola.

756
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely I love their unhinged adaptation. It looks good, it's fun,

757
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 4: it seems like it is all Lindsay Lohan narration with

758
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: some other kids in the background. I just love it.

759
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: I've never seen Pygmalion or My Fair Lady. I know

760
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: the story, I know the overarch. I just like I

761
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: feel like I've only seen like millennial coded adaptations of it,

762
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 4: including this montage She's all that, yeah, like stuff like

763
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: that where it's like you see clueless and then you're like, oh, Emma, right.

764
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: We should.

765
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: I bravely read Pygmalion in high school and then I

766
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: have seen the movie My Fair Lady. We should cover

767
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: it sometime on the show.

768
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: We should. I'd be down to do that anyway.

769
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 3: So the play happens, It goes well, and then there's

770
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: an after party at Carla's house where Stu Wolf shows

771
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: up to return things to Lola because she left her

772
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: iconic coke bottle cap necklace behind and he.

773
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: Is colluding with Lola's father. Uh huh in showing up

774
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: where you're just like her father is such a disaster.

775
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: What is going on here?

776
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? He has a famous dog or something or is

777
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: he a children's book author? I could not understand what

778
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: his job was.

779
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: It's confusing that Stu Wolf recognizes the dog from a

780
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: cartoon when it is sort of just like, right, an

781
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: Encyclopedia picture of a dog, right, But I guess he

782
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 4: makes children's books about his dog.

783
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird. Anyway you spin it, I'm gonna be nice

784
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and say the Stue Wolf is twenty five, and that's

785
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: being full certain that the man is forty hanging out

786
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: with high schoolers, colluding with the father, or not very

787
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: very odd bad.

788
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: Bad, I would say bad, unbelievably weird, real bad.

789
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't look good to me.

790
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 3: The optics are horrible.

791
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: And if I were the parent of one of those

792
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: extras at the party, feel like, Oh, I'm so sorry.

793
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: An adult man showed up at the party and y'all

794
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: were just chilt turning a.

795
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: Necklace that eighteen girl left at.

796
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: His house overnight. Oh confused, what's happening? Yeah, please explain

797
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: it slowly. I need you to explain it slowly before

798
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: I get mad. Explained it slowly.

799
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: It's so like because there is a line between I

800
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: don't know. Like I wanted to see a Bright Eyes

801
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 4: concert when I was fourteen, and I didn't want my

802
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: friends to know that I wasn't allowed to go by

803
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 4: myself because they were like sixteen or seventeen, And so

804
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: my dad got a ticket and then stood in the

805
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 4: back incognito mode for the whole concert, and then waited

806
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: while I went to a diner with my friends, and

807
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: then I met up with him and went home. And

808
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: you're like, that's it's one of my my dad's the best.

809
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: That is like very very exceptional. I love that story, right, And.

810
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: Also just like my we were dad had a whole

811
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: Bright Eyes concert. Yeah, like and he was like on

812
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: the back wall with other parents who were almost definitely

813
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 4: doing the same thing. But it was like that was

814
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: like clutch parenting. But then there's a line where it's

815
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: like if Connor OBErs of Bright Eyes says, hey, fourteen

816
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: year old girl, let's go to a party.

817
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 3: Your dad should intervene and say no, adult man, you're

818
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: not gonna hang out with a child.

819
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 4: At a minimum, right, And then you're like, your child

820
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 4: will hate you for years, But it's what you have

821
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: to do. It's what you have to do. Is Lola's

822
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 4: dad is so invested in being mister cool dad that

823
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: he is actively endangering her so much in the space

824
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: of like forty eight hours.

825
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: Several times there's a point where they're considering walking down

826
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: the alley or something to go see where Sue is.

827
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: He's like pass out in the trash can in the alley, yeah,

828
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: and Lola and Ella are considering walking down the alley,

829
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, where the hell is Lola's dad. Right now,

830
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: if I'm watching my child consider following a grown man

831
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: down an alley, I don't care if I'm supposed to

832
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: be incognito. You're not walking down the fucking alley right.

833
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: There were so many times I'm like, you're negligent. What

834
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: the hell is going on with you? Are you okay?

835
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: Even the teen girls are concerned. They're like this seems dangerous.

836
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: And then Ella's like, I'm not going and Lola's like, yes,

837
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: we are.

838
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm not, and they.

839
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: Say, oh, we're with an adult, referring to Stu Wolf

840
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: Sue Wolf.

841
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: So what is happening.

842
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk more about this in a bit, but yeah,

843
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: that does definitely all happen. Anyway. So Stu showing up

844
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: at the party and giving this necklace back shows to

845
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: everyone that Lola wasn't lying about meeting Stu, and so

846
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: now it's Carla's turn to be humiliated. But because Lola

847
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: is nice, she's a nice girl, she's not a mean girl.

848
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: She extends an olive branch to Carla, and then the

849
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: movie ends with Lola and Stu slow dancing at the party.

850
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: But then Stu turns into Sam and now Sam and

851
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: Lola are dancing, and she's like in voiceover saying, well,

852
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: now I have a boyfriend, because now I'm a star

853
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: and now I can make time for romance.

854
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: The end, sure, the unbelievably confusing the fact that they

855
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 4: end on Sam.

856
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: We're like, who is he?

857
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I.

858
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Couldn't remember his name? Was like, who am I looking

859
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: at it but don't know who that is.

860
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break and we will come back

861
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: to discuss further.

862
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: And we're back. Can we just start with Sam, Let's

863
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: get this out of the way, like just not a

864
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 4: necessary person.

865
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: For the movie.

866
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 4: And I was frustrated. I feel like I will This

867
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: is like so common in movies that are marketed at teenagers,

868
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 4: especially like teen girls and fems. It's just like unnecessary

869
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 4: boyfriend character. And it still happens. I don't think with

870
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: the same amount of frequency, but it definitely still happens.

871
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: And again, it's like we've talked about this on the

872
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: show a million times. If a relationship makes sense in

873
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 4: the story, if it's a part of their coming of age,

874
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: then like whatever, If the actors have chemistry, if we

875
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: know who the character is, whatever, There's movies where that

876
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: makes sense. But this movie is so about girls in

877
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 4: conflict or like trying to understand each other that it's

878
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: just like I've never seen I don't know, I think

879
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 4: this might be the most obvious one from this era

880
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 4: where it's like who is this guy to the point.

881
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: Where it seems like all the scenes were already written,

882
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: and then someone was like, wait, we need a love

883
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 3: interest to her age and a classmate of hers because

884
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: the only other one we have right now is this

885
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 3: creepy adult musician man. So then they were just like, Okay,

886
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: there's a guy named Sam. We can stick him in

887
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: this scene. We can stick him in this scene, we

888
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 3: can stick him in the third scene, and that's that's

889
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: his character.

890
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: He'll still the dress when it's like and when I

891
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: was thinking about it, I was like, ooh, I bet

892
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: in the first draft with this movie, Ella steals the

893
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: dress or like literally anyone makes so much sense? Yeah, totally,

894
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: because I really like the like sort of dual storylines

895
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: between like Lola and Ella's friendship and how they like

896
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: affect each other and also Lola and Carla's rivalry, Like

897
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: those are the sort of driving forces. Like you could

898
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: argue that if I mean, I guess like Lola will

899
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: be a drama queen no matter what. But it's like

900
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: it's when she meets Carla that like this becomes her

901
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 4: purpose in life is to show up this girl.

902
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: Certainly, it's like Carla's effect on both Lola and Ella

903
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: is very felt and very funny too.

904
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

905
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: Ella is so goody two shoes, like buy the book

906
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: until Carla says something that irritates her, And it happens

907
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: a couple of times throughout the film, and every time

908
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: she just turns into Lola, like for avere second, she's like, yeah,

909
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: we are going to be at that concert. Yeah, that's

910
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: it's idiot exactly, you know, debt, and it is so entertaining.

911
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very broad characters, but it feels like grounded

912
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 4: enough in reality of like making a friend that just

913
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 4: brings something out in you that we're not comfortable enough

914
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: to do. Like I definitely had friends like that when

915
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: I was in high school, where I was generally pretty shy,

916
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 4: but around the right person, I would be loud, I

917
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 4: would be obnoxious because you just feel like, well this

918
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: person can pull it off, let me give it a shot.

919
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like energy rubs off on you. They empower

920
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 3: you to like have more confidence that kind of thing,

921
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: which is like an interesting thing to examine, and that

922
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: is the focus of the movie. But it also begs

923
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: the question why is this weird romantic storyline between Lola

924
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: and Sam wedged in because it's like barely there to

925
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: begin with. I don't know. To me, it's more annoying

926
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: versus the romantic storyline between Lola and Stu Wolf is

927
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: like straight up troubling, scary.

928
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: Do we want to go over there? Do we want

929
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: to go friendships? Where do we want to go?

930
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: Let's just get the men out of the way and

931
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: my friend and then we'll go to the girlies my favorite.

932
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the stewold stuff is just like straight up predatory,

933
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 4: like in a way that I'm like, oh, the movie

934
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: seems semi aware that Sam is pointless because he's just

935
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 4: thrown in there and random points. I don't think that

936
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 4: the movie is aware that Stu is an absolute creep

937
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 4: in the way that he very obviously is if you

938
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 4: think about it for one second.

939
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, the movie frames this is like, yeah, like they

940
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: can't really be together, but let's let Lola have this

941
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: like fantasy moment where she gets to dance with this

942
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: guy and hang out with him. She's like in his

943
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: bedroom wearing his clothes at one point, just like nasty stuff,

944
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: and the movie frames it is like, isn't this such

945
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: a fantasy that she gets to live out, which, like

946
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: a lot of teen girls would probably feel that way

947
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 3: because they they don't know that it's or you know,

948
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: especially in this era where this kind of shit was

949
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: so normalized, where it's like, yeah, that would be awesome

950
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: if I was like fifteen hanging out with a man

951
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen years older than me. That was just

952
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: so normalized. But you know today we're like, yikes and

953
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: gross and illegal and predatory.

954
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing that is like this very misguided

955
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: choice was made in an attempt like calming off of

956
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: like a huge boy band era and craze to give

957
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 4: some sort of wish fulfillment to like mostly tweens, because it's.

958
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: Like that's who's watching it.

959
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: With movies like this, you subtract three years from the

960
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 4: intended audience like tweens that would love to meet their

961
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: idols from boy bands, girl bands whoever like their fans are.

962
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 4: And I think that there's a way to to give

963
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 4: that wish fulfillment in a really fun way that doesn't

964
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: go like creepy wattpad fan fiction, which is like the

965
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: way that this goes.

966
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: I agreed. There's this actual dcom stuck in the suburbs

967
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: where there's like a pop star who's also older than them,

968
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: and it kind of gives that wish fulfilment without the

969
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: level of creepiness that we get in this film.

970
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 4: That's true. Oh, we should cover that someday. I really

971
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: love that one.

972
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: I think an easy fix is just to make stew

973
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: also a teenager, like that's not unheard of for there

974
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: to be like guys and boy bands who are like,

975
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, sixteen, seventeen, seventeen, yeah, and then maybe

976
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 3: like age Lola up to just make them age appropriate

977
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: for each other and she can still like meet him

978
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 3: and see that he's like a mess or he's not

979
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: you know, this poetic genius that she thought, and that's

980
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: off putting to her. But even if that was the

981
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: case where he wasn't like an adult predator and they

982
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: were like age appropriate for each other, the way this

983
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: pans out is really weird because like she talks to

984
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: him at this party and realizes that he's not who

985
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: she thought. She's disappointed that, you know, he's not the

986
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 3: way he seems, and so she leaves like kind of

987
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: out of disgust. And I don't know if it's that

988
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: like his drunkenness is like the most off putting thing

989
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: to her. I don't really know, but she leaves and

990
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: she doesn't want to hang out with him anymore. But

991
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: then when he comes back to the party and he

992
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: has gotten sober, she's like, wow, now we can dance,

993
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, what about I don't know, it

994
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: just like I wasn't quite sure what was happening.

995
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: And this is maybe getting really into the weeds. This

996
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: is a little thing because it's like, ultimately Stu is

997
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: a creep no matter which way you spin it, because

998
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: it's like either he's their age and there's a romantic connection,

999
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 4: or he's not their age and it's clearly of friendship.

1000
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 4: You just have to make a choice for a kids movie.

1001
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: But I also I felt like the way that they

1002
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 4: presented his addiction problems were super broad and fanficky feeling,

1003
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 4: where like it was just very like you're a drunk

1004
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 4: and like in making that scene, like with like two

1005
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 4: things are true here with this Stu Wolf character specifically,

1006
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 4: where it's like they both choose to make him this

1007
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 4: like mismatched predatory character, and they also choose to talk

1008
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 4: about what we later learned was a serious addiction problem

1009
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 4: in a very like shamey way that they just could

1010
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 4: have used a second draft on the way that that

1011
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 4: character in general has handled because I think that there's

1012
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 4: a way you can have the pop idol who's a

1013
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: mess treated, but it just felt a little undercooked in

1014
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: a way that didn't serve the target audience, I guess.

1015
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: Also Stu cites the reason that he decided to get sober.

1016
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 3: He's like, I did it because Lola, you told me

1017
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: I was a drunk loser and I didn't like that,

1018
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: So you're the reason I got sober.

1019
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 4: And it's like it's like I fixed you wish fulfillment

1020
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: too that and yeah, it's like, oh.

1021
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: I can't lose this wonderful person who I like, so

1022
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 3: I have to get sober for them, which is similar

1023
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: to like the way that when they reunite at Carla's party,

1024
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: it's very much framed cinematically, is like the romantic interests

1025
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: are reuniting, and like the music is swelling and it's

1026
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: like he puts the necklace on her.

1027
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: But then it's more confusing when it changes to the

1028
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: boring yet age appropriate level, Like that comes out of nowhere.

1029
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 4: Men in general, I feel like, don't really have a

1030
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 4: role in this.

1031
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: Don't you get them out of there?

1032
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1033
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: That tells me that the writers did know that that

1034
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: was weird and they had to change it to Sam

1035
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: at the end because they're like, true, Okay, we're gonna

1036
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: she's a drama queen. Maybe she's imagining this right.

1037
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 4: It was so bizarre. Yeah, you're totally right. Like switching

1038
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 4: him to the age appropriate person is sort of like

1039
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 4: admission of like, but she obviously can't end up with

1040
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: this guy. Yeah, and you're like, well, what if you

1041
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 4: just wrote, first of all, this movie doesn't really need

1042
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: a love interest, But if it's two thousand and three

1043
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 4: and you need one, then just make the pop star

1044
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: age appropriate question mark, make him Sam's age. Exactly why

1045
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: do we need a Sam? We don't know. I think

1046
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 4: that Sam's going to drag down her acting ambitions and

1047
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 4: she should really think.

1048
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: Twice he put her dress under the hood of a car.

1049
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: Do you know how angry I would be if you

1050
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: put my dress under the greasy hood of a car.

1051
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: What are you good for saying?

1052
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: He's so smug about it? I'm like, what do you

1053
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: think you've done? That's so good?

1054
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1055
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: I don't like Sam No, I.

1056
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: Don't like samoo and I hate Stu. Yeah, all right,

1057
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: shall we talk about the gals?

1058
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about Dad. Oh right, I think we

1059
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 4: almost basically just covered that in the recap. But the Dad,

1060
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: I don't mind that he's there, but I disagree with

1061
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: every single choice he makes. I guess that's all I'll say.

1062
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure that sounds cute dog though, good for him,

1063
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: lovely dog dog. Okay, So aside from those unnecessary male characters,

1064
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 3: what we have otherwise is, I mean, there were a few,

1065
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 3: like you know, teen girly movie tropes happening. We've got

1066
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: a lot of like clothes trying on montages. We do

1067
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 3: have a centering of female relationships, whether those are friendships

1068
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: or like adversaries. Yeah, we've got different kind of like, oh,

1069
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: there're scenes at a mall, you know, scenes where they're

1070
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: putting on makeup, but those are like goofy and like

1071
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: never really a makeover scene anyway. We've got some tropes,

1072
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: and we've got some subversions of tropes. I thought that

1073
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: the friendship between Lola and Ella was more nuanced than

1074
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: a lot of friendships I've seen in teen girl movies.

1075
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: Where so movies like this usually involve a brief falling out,

1076
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: like around the low point around the end of act

1077
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: two of the movie of the Friends, like the two friends,

1078
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: some truth gets revealed, or some fight happens where they

1079
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Speaker 3: have a falling out, and sometimes it feels like very

1080
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: contrived and it's based on like, well, girls be petty trope,

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00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: so they obviously have to fight for no reason. But

1082
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: this one I thought was like very interesting where Ella

1083
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: learns that Lola had lied so many Elle sounds lied

1084
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 3: to Ella about Lola's father dying. She tries to brush

1085
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: it off and then says, well, you know, I had

1086
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: to seem more interesting. But also I had to defend

1087
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: my mom from your snooty parent being judgmental about my

1088
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: mom being a single mom, which might be a separate

1089
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: conversation about like the kind of attitudes towards single moms

1090
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: presented by various characters in this movie.

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01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I also feel like that awareness was

1092
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 4: like baked into the movie where Lola is like really

1093
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: angry that her mom is being judged in that way

1094
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 4: when it seems like the only fair point made is

1095
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 4: the very early two thousands appropriated chopsticks and the hair. Now,

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 4: I think Ella's mom accidentally made a good point there.

1097
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: I don't think that that was why she said it, though, right,

1098
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, I appreciated that. I think it's like a

1099
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 4: general good thing that instead of what might be more

1100
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: realistic is like hearing that from another parent and internalizing

1101
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 4: it and feeling shame and confusion about it about your

1102
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 4: own parent. Like Lola is like, no, fuck you, Like

1103
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 4: you're not going to talk about my parent that way.

1104
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 4: And I also like that that presents a more kind

1105
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 4: of nuanced dynamic between Lola and her mom because they're

1106
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 4: always in conflict, but if someone fucks with her mom,

1107
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: she's like, not gonna hear it.

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Speaker 3: Love it for sure.

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1110
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then once this lie gets revealed and they

1111
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: have this argument about it and they make up and

1112
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: Lola earnestly apologizes for lying, and you know, Ella says, promised,

1113
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 3: you'll never lie again. She's like, I promise. But I

1114
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 3: also think that Ella owes Lola an apology for like

1115
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: being complicit in her parents' judging us absolutely of Lola

1116
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 3: and her family, which Ella never apologizes for that, but

1117
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: they make up and Ella says that, you know, she

1118
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 3: was miserable until Lola came to New Jersey, and before that,

1119
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: Ella thought that she just had to do whatever she

1120
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: thought she was supposed to do and whatever people wanted

1121
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: her to do, and to never question anything. But because

1122
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: of Lola, like she felt brave enough to try to

1123
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: be different. And also I was like, does Ella have

1124
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: a crush on Lola? I was kind of getting vibes anyway, I.

1125
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Speaker 4: Would believe it. I feel like Alison Pill, while not

1126
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: a queer one herself that I'm aware of, played many

1127
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 4: queer coded characters during this time, so maybe it's also

1128
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: just like what we associate with this character. I love

1129
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: Alison Pal She's so fun, true, and I like that.

1130
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: I mean, in two thousand and three, it's going to

1131
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 4: be kept ambiguous whether you like it or not. And

1132
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 4: especially because what they initially bond over is like this

1133
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 4: band that they're both really into, and it's just like

1134
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 4: this intense friendship between girls, and we don't really know

1135
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: how they feel beyond that. But it's like an intense

1136
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 4: teenage friendship and I love seeing those. And yeah, I

1137
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 4: felt like where apologies are so fumbled in these kinds

1138
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 4: of movies, it felt like it was done in like

1139
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 4: a more sincere way than I was expecting. I liked it.

1140
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 3: I also appreciated that they become fast friends based on

1141
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 3: their love of said Arthur. And then there's a scene

1142
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: that reminded me of like when Malfoy goes up to

1143
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: Harry Potter when they first get to Hogwart. Sorry to

1144
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: be making a Harry Potter reference right now, but Malfoy's like, hey, there,

1145
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: you don't want to fall in with the wrong crowd,

1146
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 3: you know, you want to make friends with the right people.

1147
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: I can help you there. And then Harry's like, I

1148
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 3: can tell the wrong crowd from myself, thinks, And then

1149
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: he becomes friends with Ron and Hermione instead Carla. Like,

1150
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: Malfoy's over to Lola and she's like, you don't want

1151
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: to hang out with Ella. She dresses like a politician's wife,

1152
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 3: She's a dweb. You have so much potential. I can

1153
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: help you be cool, which is also extremely like the

1154
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 3: plot of Mean Girls.

1155
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 4: Mean Girls. Yeah, but what if Lindsay Lohan made the

1156
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 4: opposite decision exactly.

1157
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: I think Megan Fox would be great and mean Girls.

1158
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if she had the acting chops at

1159
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: the time, but if they were developed a little bit,

1160
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: I think she would have been a great addition to

1161
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: Mean Girls personally.

1162
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: True. But yeah, so Lola is like, I'm gonna hang

1163
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 3: out with my friend who likes the same music and

1164
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: who is nice, and you're visibly mean and awful. So no, thanks,

1165
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: I don't really care about being popular, like I'll make

1166
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: my own way. And I thought that was just a

1167
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: very nice way for the story to play out.

1168
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 4: I liked it. I thought it was lovely, and I mean,

1169
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, the other main conflict between women, although

1170
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 4: we have Miss Bogoli, who is you know, a very

1171
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 4: like broad character. But I guess this is like grading

1172
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 4: on a curved scale. But she wasn't treated as badly

1173
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: as I would expect her to be treated. True, Yeah,

1174
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 4: so I kind of don't have an issue with it.

1175
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 4: Like she was obviously very goofy, but also like she's

1176
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 4: good at her job. She wasn't like completely I don't know.

1177
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes adult characters in kids movies and

1178
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 4: this makes sense, but they're just treated as like on

1179
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 4: another planet, like so goofy, and.

1180
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: She's like goofy but also not grounded like I would say,

1181
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: like goofy, but ground's perfect. She was perfect.

1182
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: It was Carol Kane with the tightest perm anyone's ever seen,

1183
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 4: Like just really good.

1184
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: So I laughed out loud repeatedly at her.

1185
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 4: So when she does the like that, I laughed so hard.

1186
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 4: It feels like good teacher representation.

1187
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

1188
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: I think that she needs to learn to grow a

1189
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: bit of a spine though, because she lets Carla steamroll

1190
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 3: her in the adaptation of Pigmillion that they're doing, and

1191
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 3: then she like was again laughing along with Carla against

1192
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 3: Lola towards the end.

1193
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 4: I just can't be mad at her.

1194
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: I care.

1195
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 4: Wait, I just feel like should be allowed to drink

1196
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 4: at school one day a week, and they should be

1197
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 4: allowed to laugh at their students sometimes unless they are

1198
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: given a raise.

1199
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: Wait, there's that one part in the auditorium where Lola

1200
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: asked Miss Bogoli if the adaptation was her idea because

1201
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: Carla had been touting it as her own idea, and

1202
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: Miss Bogolis like, of course, it's my idea. Why would

1203
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: you ask me if it's my idea or not? And like,

1204
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: it's unclear who was lying there to me?

1205
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: And I think it was Carla, right, because it could

1206
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: have been miss Bogoli who was like, I rewrote this

1207
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 3: whole thing.

1208
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: I think it was miss Bogoli's idea.

1209
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 3: I interpreted it as Carla bullying off screen, Miss Bogoli,

1210
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 3: I see how you can get to do that, But

1211
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 3: it's open it could have been the other way around.

1212
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because her and Lindsay Lohan's character exchanged. This look

1213
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: as if like Carla's uncomfortable that she has seen right now.

1214
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 4: That Carla is certainly not lie herself. It is so wild.

1215
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: I feel like, in some ways it does makes sense

1216
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 4: to me that Carla and Lola don't like each other

1217
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 4: because they are very similar in positive and also deeply

1218
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 4: negative ways where you're like, I, yeah, they're basically the

1219
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 4: same character, but we are just told to like one

1220
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 4: of them right, where they both are like rich white

1221
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 4: girls who are into theater and DDR and telling lies

1222
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 4: like they are doing the same thing and they like

1223
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 4: the same band and.

1224
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: Have a lot of unearned arrogance.

1225
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, so it's like they're basically the same character.

1226
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: But this kind of this is not a fully big thought.

1227
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 4: I feel like it's been expanded on more thoughtfully in

1228
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 4: other places. But just how like Megan Fox is positioned,

1229
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: especially in her early movies. We talked about this a

1230
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 4: million years ago in our Transformers episode, but she's more

1231
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 4: positioned as the girl next door. I think in her

1232
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 4: early roles, which include this. Before this, I think she

1233
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 4: was in a she was the bully in a Mary

1234
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 4: Kayden Ashley movie. And like, I think that the way

1235
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: that Megan Fox was treated repeatedly and her early career

1236
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 4: especially is like too pretty or too conventionally pretty to

1237
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 4: be sympathetic too, and like you have to hate her

1238
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 4: because she is too pretty to be quote unquote relatable,

1239
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 4: and in a way that is like ends up becoming

1240
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 4: cruel to Megan Fox in a way that I think that,

1241
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 4: especially in the two thousands, felt like women frequently joined

1242
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 4: in on and so it's just like a dog pile

1243
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 4: from all sides. And this role, Like, I don't think

1244
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 4: that this role like stands out in her treatment of

1245
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: that way, but it feels kind of consistent in the

1246
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 4: way she was treated.

1247
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: Definitely Also, I think there's always, or often not always,

1248
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: the main protagonist generally has light hair, and the mean

1249
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: girl generally is brunette with dark features.

1250
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 4: Going.

1251
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 3: That's like the early animated Disney movie formula too. It's

1252
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 3: true blonde princesses and dark everyone's white. But yeah, of

1253
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 3: course the villains have black hair, right, absolutely.

1254
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: And I wonder if this is like if this was

1255
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: originally a d com Disney Channel original movie with a

1256
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: big budget and Lindsay Lohan, who was really popping at

1257
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: the time, and so they gave it a theastrical release

1258
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: and called it a real movie.

1259
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 4: I read that this role in a way that I'm like, wow,

1260
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 4: there were three teenage girls at this time, allegedly, and

1261
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 4: they were Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes, and Hillary Duff. This

1262
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 4: part was originally written for Hillary Duff, yes, and then

1263
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 4: given to Lindsay Lohan. I think a smarter move. I

1264
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 4: don't know that Hillary Duff can play dramatic drama arrogance. Ye, Like,

1265
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 4: she's very pure in her screen presence at least everywhere,

1266
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 4: and still now I like follow her on Oh my.

1267
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: God, raise every voice I don't remember, but yes, that's.

1268
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 4: Wait, someone in this movie is in Raise Your Voice.

1269
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: I think it might be Sam. Sure, I think Sam

1270
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 4: may also be the boy from Raise Your Voice. Anyways,

1271
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. That movie is dog.

1272
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: Shit, real bad. It's so bad. I saw that one

1273
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: at theaters and I remember leaving like what. I was

1274
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: a kid, and I was like, this was really bad.

1275
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 4: It was also like there's a I just remember that

1276
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 4: it's really sad in addition to being really bad, and

1277
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 4: you're like, what are.

1278
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: We doing here?

1279
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 4: Anyways, I'm glad the part went to Lindsay low Hid.

1280
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 4: But yes, it's so broadly written that you're like the

1281
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 4: bully character. We don't get an insight into her really

1282
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 4: at all, to the point where, like you were saying,

1283
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 4: this is a quite like it's hard to know when

1284
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 4: she's telling the truth or not. When we always know

1285
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 4: whether Lola is telling the truth or not.

1286
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 3: So with the Carla character. I mean, this movie gives

1287
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 3: us a very familiar storyline of teen girls being mean

1288
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: and or competitive with each other. We've seen it a

1289
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: million times in movies, and this extends not just to

1290
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 3: teen girls but like adult women as well. It's a

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01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 3: very familiar narrative device. We've seen it a million times.

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: We've talked about it on the show a million times,

1293
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 3: and as we've discussed, this trope doesn't come from nowhere,

1294
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: Like teen girls and women can be cruel to each

1295
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: other in real life, it's just a matter of like,

1296
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 3: does the story recognize and contextualize why this happens, which

1297
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 3: is that girls and women in our patriarchal society are

1298
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 3: conditioned to think that they have to compete against each

1299
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: other for the limited spots that girls and women are

1300
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 3: allowed to occupy. This movie does not dive too deeply

1301
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 3: into this, but I do think it does a decent

1302
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: job examining that. Like carlas you know, the Megan Fox

1303
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: character clearly feels deeply threatened by Lola and her talent

1304
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 3: and her looks and her status. And when Lola doesn't

1305
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 3: want to be friends with Carla, she turns on Lola

1306
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 3: because Carla is a very insecure person.

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 4: YEA.

1308
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 3: Insecurity is a very common experience for teens in general,

1309
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 3: but especially teen girls who are taught that their value

1310
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: comes from very specific things, especially how physically attractive they are,

1311
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: how much like social status they have.

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 4: Things like that.

1313
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 3: Lola is also insecure, which is I think why she

1314
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 3: lies and embellishes a lot. Yeah, she's more concerned about

1315
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,440
Speaker 3: like seeming interesting. But they're both you know, like experiencing

1316
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 3: similar emotions and situations. They just handle it differently. But again,

1317
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: the movie isn't providing a lot of like heavy analysis

1318
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 3: on these things, but it's presenting to them in a

1319
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 3: way that feels authentic more or less to me at least,

1320
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 3: which you know, not all movies do that. A lot

1321
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,520
Speaker 3: of them are just like, well, I'm a male screenwriter,

1322
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 3: and I've seen teen girls be really mean to each

1323
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 3: other and I don't know why, but I've seen there's a.

1324
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 4: Guest, here's me just throwing shits along. Yeah, it does

1325
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 4: feel like as goofy as it can be. It does

1326
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 4: feel kind of like clear to me that women wrote

1327
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 4: this movie or had a high creative hand in it,

1328
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: because even at the end, I mean, it's like, again,

1329
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 4: very movie, but the fact that like Lola makes a

1330
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 4: gesture to Carla like pulls her out of the water fountain,

1331
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, so this movie's like internal code is

1332
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 4: not that women hate each other forever, because I feel

1333
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 4: like if it was like a very general dude coded movie,

1334
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 4: you know, Carlo would be tossed off a cliff whatever.

1335
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 4: But this one is like, there's a road to reconciliation

1336
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 4: for these characters and great for them whatever. I wanted

1337
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 4: to quickly shut out the fact that this movie is

1338
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 4: written and directed by women, both white women. We have

1339
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 4: a director, Sarah Sugarman, who this is the only movie

1340
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 4: of hers that I recognized, but she's got a whole career.

1341
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 4: She was an actor and also a director. And then

1342
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 4: Gail parent who is iconic to me. I really love her.

1343
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 4: She started as a writer on the Carol Burnett Show

1344
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: way back in the day, and then she co created

1345
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 4: one of my favorite shows ever, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman,

1346
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 4: which I would recommend to anyone listening. It's like it

1347
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 4: was a Norman Lear I think helmed show that came

1348
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,839
Speaker 4: out in the seventies that was a parody of soap operas,

1349
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 4: basically a feminist soap opera parody about seventies housewives and

1350
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 4: how they were treated and this sort of general quote

1351
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 4: unquote housewife character who starts cheating on her loser husband,

1352
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 4: amongst other things. It's the best. I love it. She's

1353
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 4: a legend to me. And then when I found out

1354
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 4: that the writer of this movie was into her sixties.

1355
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I believe it.

1356
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's why Miss Bli was so good.

1357
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 3: Right. This movie is also adapted from a book of

1358
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 3: I Think the Same Name, written by American novelist Diane Sheldon.

1359
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, the creative voices behind this story are for

1360
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: the girls before girls by Girls, but it's also for

1361
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: everyone who.

1362
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 4: Wants to enjoy. So gil Parent also wrote on Golden Girls,

1363
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 4: and she also wrote Cadet Kelly's Let's just continue to

1364
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 4: give her her flowers.

1365
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: We love her, My time for the lady, right, she's

1366
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: the coolest. I also feel this is kind of separate.

1367
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: Disney wanted to give Lindsay Lohan a music career real

1368
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: bad because she has this song at the end of

1369
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: Confession between John Queen. She also has a couple songs.

1370
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 4: In Freaky Friday I'm Sick Oh yeah, and then the.

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01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: Same year it might be the next year Rumors is

1372
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: her first single.

1373
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, I'm like noe. With all due respect to

1374
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 4: Hilary Duff. If Hillary Duff had a music career, why

1375
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:25,839
Speaker 4: didn't Lindsay lovehand?

1376
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 3: Good question?

1377
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: And I kind of wonder if the way that she

1378
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 4: was treated in the media, interfered with it because it's

1379
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 4: like most Disney slash Nickelodeon music careers. It's mostly like

1380
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 4: an extension of marketing that we love to this day.

1381
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 4: Like there's a few exceptions to that, but we don't

1382
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 4: need to get into it.

1383
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 3: Can we talk about Carla's two mean girl friends. It'll

1384
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 3: be a quick conversation because we don't really ever hear

1385
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: them talk. But obviously Carla is like, you know, the

1386
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 3: Queen Bee, She's the Regina George type. This character in

1387
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 3: movies often has two friends who follow her around. They

1388
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 3: barely speak. I feel like often one of them is

1389
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 3: a white girl and one of them is a girl

1390
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 3: of color. In this movie, the black girl who is

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01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 3: friends with Carla, I would say, is on screen less

1392
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 3: than the white friend, because like she's not at the

1393
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: after party Stu's after party toward the end, whereas the

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 3: white friend is, and I think she doesn't speak at all,

1395
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 3: whereas the white friend has at least one line. I mean,

1396
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 3: neither of them get any narrative significance here. But I

1397
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 3: feel like the white girl is like favored a bit

1398
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 3: more as far as like a few lines of dialogue

1399
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: and more screen time, and it just got me thinking

1400
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: about how like this type of like sidekick mean girl character,

1401
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 3: like the different versions we've seen, I mean, in this

1402
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 3: movie is obviously like they don't have characters, but speaking

1403
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: of she's all that. There's a similar situation with the

1404
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 3: Gabrielle Union character where she's like one of the mean

1405
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 3: girl sidekicks. She's the black one and then the other

1406
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 3: one is like the white girl. But unlike most of

1407
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 3: those archetypal characters, she has a personality, she has dialogue,

1408
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 3: and she even has an arc where she becomes friends

1409
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 3: with the like female protagonist by the end of the movie.

1410
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 3: So I was just like, well, that would have been

1411
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 3: nice to see or would have been nice to see

1412
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, anyone in this movie who wasn't a

1413
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 3: white person given any narrative significance, but yeah, oops, we

1414
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 3: forgot to do that.

1415
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like that is like so often

1416
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 4: built into or like tacitly justified by a class, which

1417
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 4: also does not make sense if you've ever been to

1418
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 4: a middle class, upper middle class community, Like, they are

1419
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 4: still predominantly white, but they're not entirely white the way

1420
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 4: that these movies present them and Also it's like it's

1421
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 4: a movie. It's fake. There's like Lindsay Lohan's dad fake

1422
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 4: dying in a cartoon accident. You can diversify this boring

1423
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 4: New Jersey suburb as much as you like.

1424
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 3: Also, just quick mention of Lola's hunger strike where she's

1425
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: like emulating Gandhi's hunger strike, but like the clothes she's wearing,

1426
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 3: the music that's playing in this scene, it's all very

1427
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 3: like her appropriating like vague Indian culture. Basically.

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01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: So there's this book that's like a classic book, said Artha,

1429
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: which is I have a hard time with this band

1430
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: because I keep wanting to call the band, said Artha.

1431
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: But it's called Sir Arthur. But if I'm not mistaken,

1432
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: and I very well could be, I think, said Artha,

1433
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: the main character of the book goes on a hunger strike.

1434
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: I could have made that up. But I was like,

1435
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: I wonder if they know that they're making that. If

1436
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: that is the case, I wonder if they if they're

1437
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: doing that on purpose. Either way, it's wrong, but I'm

1438
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: wondering what they were thinking when it would.

1439
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 4: Be curious, like what the logic justification was so interesting? Okay,

1440
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 4: it's like see where we don't read books and so

1441
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 4: we wouldn't know this. This is really helpful.

1442
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: I read it in high school. Who's to say what

1443
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: actually happened in that book?

1444
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 4: Brave?

1445
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole thing is clearly like she's dramatic,

1446
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,959
Speaker 3: She's a drama queen. She's gonna like go to the extreme,

1447
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 3: which like could mean of what ends up being a

1448
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: fake hunger strike because we find out that she's eating

1449
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: like Domino's pizza the whole time. But if she's gonna

1450
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 3: make this dramatic choice by going on a hunger strike,

1451
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: she doesn't also need to appropriate another culture while she's

1452
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 3: doing it. But I feel like that was one of

1453
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:06,600
Speaker 3: the few examples of like like a very dated, problematic

1454
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 3: choice like that in this movie, because like two thousand

1455
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: and four was the peak for a lot of these,

1456
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: and you wouldn't see it as much in a Disney

1457
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 3: movie or a movie targeted toward younger people, but like

1458
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 3: this was also the peak of like, let's take homophobia, transphobia, racism, sexism,

1459
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 3: et cetera, and just like make that what every joke

1460
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 3: in a movie derives from.

1461
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so well. And I also liked that it's

1462
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 4: a subtle theme in this movie, but just the concept

1463
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 4: of names that just like, this is the name I

1464
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 4: go by, and at the beginning of the movie, her

1465
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 4: mom does not respect that. At the end of the movie,

1466
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 4: her mom does respect that. And I appreciate that that

1467
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 4: was like taken and I don't think that I mean,

1468
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, it doesn't seem like the movie it

1469
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 4: was intending much more than just acceptance from a parent.

1470
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 4: But that's a broad enough theme that it like that

1471
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 4: works for everybody. Where at the beginning, her mom like

1472
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 4: doesn't really take her daughter seriously enough to take that

1473
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 4: at face value. It kind of weirdly reminded me of

1474
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: Ladybird in that way where you see a very similar

1475
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 4: sort of like my name is Ladybird, and then at

1476
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 4: the beginning is like I refuse to acknowledge that, And

1477
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 4: at the end there's motion there. And I think that

1478
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 4: that is like a nice thing to see for parents

1479
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 4: and for kids in a movie like that, because I'm

1480
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: sure as many parents saw this movie as kids, whether

1481
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 4: voluntarily or not.

1482
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: Does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss

1483
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: about the movie.

1484
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 4: Why did the backup dancers have blue hair? That's the

1485
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 4: last thing I have to say, Oh, in the play,

1486
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 4: I thought.

1487
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: It was something about pigmillion.

1488
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 4: The understand because of like, why do they look like

1489
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,480
Speaker 4: the guy from Team Rocket in Pokemon?

1490
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 3: And they all know, well, they're they're modernizing pigmillions and

1491
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: modern equals blue hair hair.

1492
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 4: It was wild. I guess, like, I don't need to know,

1493
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,560
Speaker 4: but I just would like to know how to The

1494
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 4: thought was, I would like to no judgment.

1495
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: No, Well, this movie does pass the Bechdel test a lot,

1496
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 3: a lot, not when Lola is lying about her father dying,

1497
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: because she's talking about a man they do also talk

1498
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 3: about like Stu Wolf and Sam some but there's lots

1499
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: of conversations about the play and clothes and stuff like

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01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: that between many combinations of characters. So yeah, heftily passing.

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01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 3: They say, but what about the most important magic in

1502
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 3: the whole world? Oh my gosh, are you talking about

1503
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 3: our famous nipple scale, in which we rate the movie

1504
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 3: on a scale that no regrets on a scale of

1505
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 3: zero to five nipples based on examining the movie through

1506
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 3: an intersectional feminist lens. I will give this oof maybe three,

1507
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 3: maybe two and a half. I think it's doing some

1508
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: interesting things as far as relationships between teen girls go.

1509
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 3: I think it's clear that the creative minds behind this

1510
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 3: story were women, drawing from their experiences, possibly at the

1511
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 3: very least have a better idea of what it is

1512
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 3: to be a teen girl than the men who often

1513
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 3: write these stories about like female characters being in competition

1514
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 3: with each other and or being friends with each other,

1515
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 3: because men also don't understand what female friendship looks like

1516
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: a lot of the time. So I thought like the

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01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:11,560
Speaker 3: nuances in those relationships were interesting, including the mother daughter relationship,

1518
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 3: although that's not super focused on, but I enjoyed that relationship.

1519
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:22,879
Speaker 3: The two romantic interests are like, best case scenario annoying

1520
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 3: and unnecessary. Worst case scenario predatory and disgusting. So that

1521
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 3: takes several nippleage points off.

1522
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, reretitor, skip it.

1523
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, not a diverse cast in anyway, lots of

1524
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 3: straight CIS white people, So I guess it's going to

1525
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 3: be like a split down the middle for me two

1526
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 3: point five nipples. I will give all of them to the.

1527
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 4: Dog, perfect, thank you. Yeah, I'll go the same, right

1528
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 4: down the middle. I think that, hey, you're getting more

1529
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 4: than you average early aughts teen girl movie in this movie,

1530
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean that you're really seeing that much.

1531
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 4: I appreciate the friendship dynamics that are a little more nuanced.

1532
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 4: I think that you representation of women behind the camera

1533
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 4: is very rare for most of these movies. And again, like,

1534
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 4: this movie is helmed and stars white girls and women,

1535
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 4: and there's clearly no effort or thought into anything but

1536
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 4: upper class white girl experiences, which is this movie does

1537
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 4: not move the needle in this genre at all, because

1538
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 4: I mean, that's so teen movie, that's so dcom Like

1539
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 4: so much teen girl media is entrenched in white girls

1540
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 4: of this class specifically and the sort of problems slash

1541
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: non problems that they have. But I do think you

1542
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 4: can feel that this movie was written by people who

1543
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: have some understanding of what teen girls grow through and

1544
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 4: their friendships, the intensity of their friendships, the intensity of

1545
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 4: like the things that they care about, whether it's rational

1546
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 4: or not, in a way that didn't feel like even

1547
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 4: when it was intense and dramatic, and like Lindsay Lohan

1548
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 4: wearing a funeral dress to school when the band broke up,

1549
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 4: which we should have given more attentions, I thought that

1550
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 4: so good. That's one of the things I always remember

1551
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 4: it's both really dramatic and goofy, but it's like not

1552
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 4: making fun of her in a way that I feel

1553
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 4: like that's a really hard balance to strike without having

1554
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 4: lived that in some way yourself.

1555
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to be really annoyed by

1556
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 3: like the movie in general, and especially by the drama

1557
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: queen character, because like, I don't want to see someone

1558
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 3: being like irrationally dramatic all the time, Like that's very

1559
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 3: annoying to me. But Lindsay Lohan's playing it, so I'm like, oh, like, yes,

1560
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 3: she's being dramatic about a lot of things, but in

1561
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: a way that's like very funny, and her like monologues

1562
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 3: about certain things are like extremely well written, and I'm like,

1563
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,480
Speaker 3: if did you just improvise that? Because that was poetry.

1564
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 4: Gail parent Like, she's a really good writer. I really love.

1565
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 4: Everyone should watch Mary Hartman. Mary Hartman. It's on whatever

1566
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 4: that thing is that isn't YouTube daily Motion for some reason,

1567
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 4: who knows why, But I highly recommend it. It's really

1568
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 4: really good. So yeah, I'll split it down the middle

1569
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 4: because all of the men are creepy and unnecessary, and

1570
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 4: so I will give one to Gail parent. I will

1571
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 4: give one to Lindsay Lohan and then I guess, oh,

1572
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna split the last quarter nipples. Pretty cruel.

1573
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 4: But Alison Pill and Meghan Fox, I mean two icons

1574
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 4: and I'm Carol Caine.

1575
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: You see. Ah, I'll give one of mine to Carol

1576
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 3: Kane and I'll get the dog one and a half.

1577
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: Nice.

1578
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 4: I can't believe you ranked Dog above Carol Kane. History

1579
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 4: will remember that, Caitlin, that's just.

1580
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:02,959
Speaker 3: Me being dramatic.

1581
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 4: So, Kraia, what do you think?

1582
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: I agree? I was leaning two point five to three,

1583
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: so I'll stay in that two point five range. I

1584
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: really like that it makes teen girls. It makes it

1585
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: clear that they are worthy of redemption, and just because

1586
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 1: you do something bad once or a few times doesn't

1587
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: mean that you are bad and that's who you are

1588
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: as person. And I feel like a lot of the

1589
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: time that's not the message that teen girls get in media.

1590
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: So grateful for that. And then, of course the men

1591
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: are unnecessary and creepy and weird and gross and disgusting,

1592
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: and so that definitely deducts some points from there. I'm

1593
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: going to give one full nipple to Megan Fox because

1594
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: she as we talked about earlier has been mistreated because

1595
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: of the way that she's been type cast. I will

1596
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: give one to Lindsay Lohan because she's Lindsay Lohan and

1597
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: she deserves and the half nipple can go to Carol Kine. Yea, yeah,

1598
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: she's great, like actually fantastic. Considering moving it up to

1599
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: three so she can have an entire nipple herself.

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01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 3: Whatever you want. Yeah, well, Seqoya, thank you so much

1601
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 3: for joining us. This has been a treat, so much fun.

1602
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 3: Where can people check out your social media? Check out

1603
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 3: your podcast for sure?

1604
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me first of all,

1605
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for indulging one of my

1606
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: teen child's moments anytime. It was great. It was a

1607
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: great refresh to watch it again. You can find me

1608
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Speaker 1: across social media at Sequoia b Holmes. You can find

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1614
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1615
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1616
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1617
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 3: you wouldn't believe.

1618
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 4: I mean, we also just this is not a decom movie,

1619
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 4: but Decom code and we just did what a girl wants.

1620
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 4: So you can hop on over there for that and more,

1621
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 4: and you can get our merch at teapublic dot com

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Speaker 4: slash the Bechtyl Cast. And with that, does anyone want

1623
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 4: to go end up with a really perfunctory, boring end

1624
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 4: of movie boyfriend, because that's how this movie ends.

1625
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 3: No, but I do want to star in Eliza Rocks

1626
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 3: and ooh sing with blue haired people behind me.

1627
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 4: I want to be one of the blue haired people.

1628
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 4: I'm not aiming too high.

1629
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Nice.

1630
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the part that you actually wanted all along.

1631
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 3: That's the most interesting role.

1632
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 4: Actually, I'm really getting into the story.

1633
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, bye bye,