1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we head to Winnebago County, Wisconsin. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Child purgerts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: on the corner at school bus stops. It could be 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: your pastor, It could be your next door neighbor, it 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: could be your cousin. Joining Nancy Grace, the sheriff of 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Winnebago County, John Motts, Captain David Mack, Alicia Koza Kevig. 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: You can check her story out at Alicia kozak dot com. 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: World renowned psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall, and investigative journalists for Crime 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Online Levi page Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators knew 12 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: his face. Tommy Lee jenkins first conviction on child sex 13 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: charges was in twenty eleven. Now he's charged in a 14 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: new investigation. Documents showed Jenkins used Facebook to communicate with 15 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: someone he thought was fourteen. It was actually an undercover 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: deputy who asked, do you care I'm fourteen and drink 17 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: Jenkins reply. According to the records, No prosecutors claimed Jenkins 18 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: initiated the topic of sex and wanted the undercover to 19 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: send a picture with no shirt no pans, asking when 20 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: you get here, would you like to have sex with me? 21 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: The undercover responded yes, this past Sunday, The records show, 22 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Jenkins sent an explicit picture of himself and asked for 23 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: a picture. In return. The undercover responded what picture, and 24 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: documents show Jenkins replied a picture of you naked, and 25 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly told the undercover he planned to walk nearly 26 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: four hundred miles from Whitestown, Indiana to Nina, Wisconsin to 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: meet for sex. On the way, prosecutors claim Jenkins documented 28 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: the trip with selfies and pictures of exit signs, and 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: on Thursday, record show Jenkins told the undercover he made 30 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: it to Wisconsin and wanted to have five hundred kids 31 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: before we are with God. Instead, Jenkins found investigators waiting 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: to take him back to jail. Selfies and photos of 33 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: exit signs. It sounds like he's on a spring break trip, 34 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: a road trip of some sort. Let's not put perfume 35 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: on the pig, all right. What this is is a 36 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: grown man in his thirties, Tommy Lee Jenkins believe it 37 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: or not walking walking w A L K I n G. 38 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: Walking three hundred and fifty one miles from Indiana to 39 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: Wisconsin to have relations with a fourteen year old girl. 40 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: If that does not make you run and confiscate all 41 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: your children's devices. I hid my son's device this morning 42 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: in the kitchen towels, and very often I forget where 43 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: I put them, and then we have to do find 44 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: my iPhone. And if too much time has passed the 45 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: phone's den and we can't find the iPhone, then I 46 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: have to perform an exorcism on myself to figure out 47 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: where the devices are. Long story short, this is real 48 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and guess what else? It ain't his first time at 49 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: the rodeo. Cop snow Jenkins, Oh too well, I, Nancy Grace, 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: this is crime stories. You were just hearing our friends 51 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: at WI s N twelve News. That was Reporter Derek Rose. 52 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: What an all star panel we have lined up for you. 53 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: First of all, Sheriff John Motts out of Winnebago County, 54 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: He's got an earfull. Captain David Mack Internet Crimes against 55 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: Children's Task for US. Alicia Kozakevitch kidnap an assault survivor. 56 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: You can find her at Alicia Kozak dot com. Doctor 57 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining me out of LA. But 58 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: right now to investigative journalist Levi Paige crime online dot com, 59 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: where you can find this in all other breaking crime 60 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: and justice news. Levi, did I get that number right? 61 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Did this perv actually walk three hundred and fifty one 62 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: miles walked three hundred and fifty one miles to have 63 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: relations with a little girl? You're correct, Nancy, And we're 64 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: talking about thirty two year old Tommy Jenkins who lived 65 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: in Whitestown, Indiana, suburban area of Indianapolis, and he traveled 66 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: all the way to Wisconsin to meet what he thought 67 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: was a fourteen year old girl named Kylie that he 68 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: got in contact with on Facebook and start to stop 69 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: right there, Levi, Levi, Levi, I know you got a 70 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: lot to tell me, but I mean, right there, you know, 71 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst out of LA. Did you 72 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: hear that that one word stuck in my mind actually 73 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: is more like a dagger in my heart. Suburbs. You 74 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: think you're all safe out there in the suburbs with 75 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: your yard and your fence, and this guy was leading 76 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: a regular normal air quoties life. He's a child per Nancy. 77 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Child perverts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of 78 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not 79 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking 80 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: on the corner at school bus stops. It could be 81 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: your pastor, it could be your next door neighbor, it 82 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: could be your cousin. You have to always watch over 83 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: your children and I always say nobody should be more 84 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: interested in your children than you. That is the number 85 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: one morning sign. If you have if you have a neighbor, 86 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: choir leader, anybody in your community who wants to spend 87 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: a lot of time with your children, you have to 88 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: be suspicious because that's where this guy got his start. 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: Well is moving in with a woman. I want everybody 90 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: to I hope you're sitting down, but you may need 91 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: to lay down or at least put on a crash helmet. 92 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: Listen to this. Just weeks before, police reports obtained by 93 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: twelve News show Jenkins was found outside a storage shed 94 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: just outside of Osh Gosh without a shirt. Inside one 95 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: of the unit's two kids, ages two and nine, both 96 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: naked huddled on the concrete floor and wrapped in a 97 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: wet blanket. The investigation revealed Jenkins lived with the boy 98 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: and girl and their mom, and eventually admitted to taking 99 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: them late at night without her permission. Jenkins told investigators 100 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: he took their clothes off to prevent hypothermia because it 101 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: was raining. The weather apparently complicated his first plan. A 102 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: nearby water logged tent was found, according to investigators, with clothes, diapers, 103 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: a baby gun, and a jar labeled moonshine. The documents 104 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: indicate Jenkins was previously investigated for giving alcohol to children 105 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: and sexually assaulting them. Jail records show Jenkins was released 106 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: from the Winnebago Honey Jail in September seventeenth. He moved 107 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: to Indiana and started communicating with the undercover agents just 108 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: two weeks later. Does it never end with this guy 109 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: joining me right now? Special Guest Sheriff John Motts from 110 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Winnebago County Sheriff Motts, It is a real honor to 111 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: have you on with us. It's not light. We didn't 112 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: have warning. He is out and some kind of a 113 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: storage unit with his shirt off, with two naked children 114 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: and a jar labeled moonshine, help me because I'm actually 115 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: having chest pains right now. Why didn't this guy get 116 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: put in jail that time, Sheriff, Well, we did charge 117 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: him with criminal charges. He spent some time in our jail. 118 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: It was reviewed by our district attorney's office, and ultimately 119 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: they didn't charge. Tommy Jenkins does have the ability to 120 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: make plans, and as you can see with the three 121 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty mile trek in a later investigation, he 122 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He's very manipulative. During our interviews, 123 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: he tried to stay one step ahead of us, and ultimately, 124 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: on that particular particular charge of the storage unit, they didn't. 125 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: They didn't pursue the charges. There were some issues with 126 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: mom and his ability to have the children. However, after 127 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: we had indicated and told her what had happened that evening, 128 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: she was absolutely adamant that she would not have allowed 129 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: to take him, take any take the children anywhere on 130 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: that night or for any lengthy period of time as 131 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: the plan was. You were just hearing w I s 132 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: N twelve reporter and Matt Smith. But take a listen 133 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: to it. Wtm J Milwaukee reporter Mary Joe Olah has 134 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: to say. Thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins was 135 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,479 Speaker 1: found at a storage unit just outside Oshkosh in September. 136 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: With him were two kids who were naked. The children, 137 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: their mother, and another woman were living with Jenkins at 138 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: the time, and he occasionally took care of the kids. 139 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: Police her differing stories as to what was going on 140 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: in the home, but Jenkins admitted to taking the kids 141 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: that night without permission because he was scared that their 142 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: mother would take them away. Sometime later, in Child Protective 143 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: Services filed a complaint with the Sheriff's office. The CPS 144 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: complaint says the kid's father was getting threats from Jenkins 145 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: on Facebook and that Jenkins was posting pictures of the 146 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: kids on the social media site. Despite all of this, 147 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: the charges were dropped. Yeah, charges were dropped just in 148 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: time for him to get on the Internet and lure 149 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: what he thought was a fourteen year old girl asking 150 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: for explicit photos and making his way nearly four hundred 151 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: miles by foot to have relations with a little girl. 152 00:09:47,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: Why was he out prime stories with Nancy Grace? The 153 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: story is just one example of why it is so 154 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: important to know who your kids are talking to online. 155 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Authorities say thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins walked 156 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: for five days thinking he was going to have sex 157 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: with a young girl and Nina, Wisconsin. Now investigators say 158 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: Jenkins recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana that's just outside Indianapolis. 159 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: He met a deputy posing as a fourteen year old 160 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: girl named Kylie from Wisconsin on a social media platform 161 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: on October first, and began demanding sexually charged pictures from her. 162 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: But when Kylie refused to come to Indiana multiple times, 163 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly started walking three hundred and fifty one miles 164 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: to Nina. There's an epidemic of child exploitation in our country. 165 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: The use of the Internet and social media allows for 166 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: communications to happen between adults and miners across state lines. 167 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Even authorities in Winnebago County say Jenkins used to live 168 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: in Oshkosh and has a history of issues involving child abuse. 169 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: Jenkins now faces federal charges, and deputies again are urging 170 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: parents to know who their kids are talking to online. 171 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back by Nancy Gracius's Crime Stories That was wt 172 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: M J Mulwalkerie reporter Mary Joe Olah with me. Sheriff 173 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: John Motts from Winnebago County. Captain David Mack. Internet Crimes 174 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: against Children Task Force Alicia Kozakevitch, Abductions survivor, doctor Bethany Marshall, 175 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: and Levi Page. Captain Dave Mack. When I hear this, 176 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: it gets me so distraught. A few days ago, my 177 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: son was crestfallen. He goes mom. They closed down a 178 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Fortnight because he and his little friends don't worry. I'm 179 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: hanging over his shoulder the whole time. I know exactly 180 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: who he's playing with. They love to play. I let 181 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: him have thirty minutes in the evenings. They play Fortnite 182 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: and they all taught. I don't know how they do it. 183 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: You can hear each other's voices, you can kind of 184 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: see each other, and they play this game. Fortnight closed down. 185 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: In my heart, I was rejoicing, but I had to 186 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: ask sad about Fortnite being gone. Then sadly I found 187 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: out it was a stunt. It's back. Captain Dave Mac. 188 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: How do purves predators get to our children? Well, they not, 189 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: unlike if they're speaking with our children and physically a 190 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: face to face predators will groom our children over the 191 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: over the internet the same way they do when they 192 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: have access to them in public. They'll talk with them, 193 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: tell them things that they want to hear, and start 194 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: establishing that relationship. So it's very important for us as 195 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: parents to know what they're doing and create and maintain 196 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: open lines of communication with our kids and prepare our 197 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: kids for the online world. Let them know that what 198 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: the dangers are out there and talk to them both stuff. 199 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: Keep maintain that positive relationship with your children. Apparently, according 200 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to statistics, Indiana has double the rate of child abuse 201 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: then the national average according to a federal agency, Why 202 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: is that a man who recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana 203 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: facing federal criminal charges after he walks literally hundreds of 204 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: miles to Wisconsin to have sex relations with a little 205 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl he believed named Kylie and right 206 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: now to Alicia Kazakevich abduction survivor, Alicia explained to our listeners, 207 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: what happened to you as a little girl? Well, when 208 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old, I was groomed and large 209 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: from my home by an internet predator who kidnapped me 210 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: and held me captive in his basement dungeon where I 211 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: was raped and beaten and tortured, but thankfully was miraculously 212 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: rescued by law enforcement. And I am so lucky to 213 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: be here. And I'm so glad that this fourteen year 214 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: old girl was actually law enforcement because it could have 215 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: so easily have been a real life child. And the 216 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: thing is that there is a real life child right 217 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: now who is being groomed, and this case is just 218 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: it's so disturbing in that it's really important to know 219 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: that predators take risks. Predators take their time grooming, and 220 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: they also take risks, and their goal was to get 221 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: the intended victim to also take risks. And in this case, 222 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: he was so excited that he walked three hundred and 223 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: fifty one miles and he was so excited and quite 224 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: possibly having something close to a manic episode. It almost 225 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: seems to go that far with it, and the fact 226 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: that he had been arrested before for a crime against children. 227 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: We need to start taking these cases seriously, really seriously. 228 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: When there's an old saying, when someone says or when 229 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: someone shows you who they are, believe them, and we 230 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: really need to start doing that. This person showed himself 231 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: as a predator, and he is still a predator and 232 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: he would continue to offend. Thankfully, law enforcement caught him. 233 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: And that's why it is so important to fund law 234 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: enforcement to make sure that they have the funding and 235 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: the resources. In Wisconsin exactly, and Wisconsin, Alicia's Law has 236 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: passed and they've done amazing work with it. And what 237 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: Alicia's Law, my Namesake does is it funds at law enforcement. 238 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: It's funds the eye tacks so that they can do 239 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: this investigative work and so that they can save children. 240 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: I want to talk about how children are snared online 241 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: on the internet. Just like in Alicia's case, the child 242 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: thinks they're speaking to another child and actuality they're speaking 243 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: to an adult. How does it work to captain Dave's 244 00:15:53,240 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: Matt you brought up Fortnite? There's other other applications that 245 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: people will pose as alternate identities on and they have 246 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: access to your children. Then musically is one of them. 247 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: There's other applications where our kids are out there, they're 248 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: sharing videos of themselves or they're chatting with people and 249 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: they really don't know who they're talking to. Again, that's 250 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: why it's so important as parents that we know about 251 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: the applications that be familiar with the applications your kids 252 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: have on their phones, their iPhones, because let's face it, 253 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: iPhones are just small computers. So when you an iPhone, 254 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: they have access to everybody in the world, literally everybody 255 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: in the world. And that's why I think we see 256 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: an uptick in this type of a crime because we've 257 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: created so they access the accessibility to so many different 258 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: areas with so many different people. This is one isolated instance. 259 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Listen to this Florence reveal the level of abuse Charlatean 260 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: endured while being held captive in Georgia for more than 261 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: a year. The documents day that Michael Weislovsky can find 262 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Haley Burns in an upstairs bedroom of his Stills home, 263 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: telling her that she would they arrest did if she left. 264 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: Wislovsky reportedly controlled every aspect of his seventeen rold captive's life, 265 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: keeping a food journal detailing how many calories she'd eaten 266 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: each day, and withholding food from Haley if he thought 267 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: she'd eaten too many calories the day before. Doctors at 268 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: the Atlanta hospital who examined Haley after she was rescued 269 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: determined she was suffering from malnutrition, according to Warrens. Her 270 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: parents told Channel nine she lost fifteen to twenty pounds. 271 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: Haley Burns disappeared from her Valentine home in May of 272 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. This past weekend, the FBI responded to a 273 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: tip and tracked her to a home in Georgia. Michael 274 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: Wisulovsky is in jail under no bond on a number 275 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: of state charges. Now, believe it or not, this little 276 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: girl met the predator that kidnapped her, raped her, abused, 277 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: or held her captive in a Facebook chat room about 278 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: eating disorders. She didn't want to eat, she had issues 279 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: with food. She was in a chat room and meets 280 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: this guy posing as another person with an eating disorder 281 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: as a young girl. And to top it all off, 282 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: they were talking on her school chrome book on her 283 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: school computer. Listen to this Brokowski will serve ten years 284 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: on probation and also gave him credit eight months for 285 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: time served in confinement while he was in jail. A 286 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: court her testimony from Haley Burns and her parents A 287 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: second I left my home, my life as roman. The 288 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: North Carolina teen says she met him online and disappeared 289 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: from her parents home in Charlotte in twenty sixteen, she 290 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: told the court she was held captive in his Duluke 291 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: home for an entire year. He lowered my self, esteemed greatly, 292 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: and led me to believe I would never be loved 293 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: or have a proper life if I gained any fate. 294 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: Burne says Brokovski tortured her and made her do sexual 295 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: things for food. I severely mutilated myself, homing I would 296 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: become unlovable so no one would hurt me again, as 297 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: w Silowski did. I am permanently disfigured. Her father, Tony 298 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: Burns told the judge every time he would hear of 299 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: a dead body, he feared it was his Haley. You 300 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: are the boogeyman that parts teach their kids to be 301 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: scared of. Haley's mom added that Bakowski doesn't seem sorry 302 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: for his actions. You are not a minister, but you're 303 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: a pitiful man who remember that actions have consequences. Now, 304 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: after the hearing, I spoke with the prosecutor. He told 305 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: me Haley's family they're satisfied with the outcome today in court, 306 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: but they really really would have preferred to see the 307 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: defendant behind bars. You were hearing from Lauren posing at 308 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: action to News Atlanta and Alison Lato's OCTV. You know, 309 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: these offenders get a slap on the wrist and they 310 00:19:42,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: get right back out Crime stories with Nancy Gray Leafy 311 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 1: Page with me, crime online dot Com investigative journalists. I 312 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: understand that this predator, Tommy Lee Jenkins, also had let's 313 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: just say, inappropriate behavior with children all the way back 314 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: to twenty eleven. What do we know? As it was 315 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: two little boys seven and eight years old, he was 316 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: accused of groping them Nancy, and he pled guilty to 317 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: first degree sexual assault of a miner and his sentence 318 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: he played guilty to that and his sentence was stayed 319 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: and he got four years of probation, probation probation to 320 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: share if John Motts Winnebago County. So now we have 321 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: that incident where he's groping two little boys. Then we 322 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: had just month before the sting, he had two naked 323 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: children and a storage shed with a bottle of moonshine. 324 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: And now this so you know the reality is for 325 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: every time a child is caught, they have most likely 326 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: offended many, many times. How is it that this guy 327 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: kept escaping jail? Sheriff I don't get it well. Certainly, 328 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: as we had discussed earlier the incident that occurred at 329 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: the storage lockers, we were disappointed with the outcome of 330 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: the non prosecution, and at that point we sought assistance 331 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: from the US Attorney's office in the state of Wisconsin, 332 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: and that's where the Internet Crime against Children investigation then begins, 333 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: and along with their guidance, through that, we have done 334 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: a number of them. As a matter of fact, one 335 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one of those Internet Crimes against children cases. 336 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: But with their cooperation, with their guidance, we now have 337 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: federal charges against Tommy. You know what, you deserve so 338 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: much credit you and your team. Sheriff Matson. I hear 339 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: you what you're saying, because to Dr Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst 340 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: warnings from LA if the mom does want to prosecute, 341 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: you got a big problem now. I took cases to 342 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: trial where families moms did not want to prosecute, and 343 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: it was really hard to get a conviction. But thankfully 344 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: the jury was on the right side and the people 345 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: were convicted. I'm talking about child rapists. The mothers did 346 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: not want to prosecute. It's hard for me to understand it. 347 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: But if you listen read between the lines, doctor Bethany, 348 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: this guy, Tommy Lee Jenkins, was living with a woman. 349 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: She was the mother of these two little children that 350 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: were naked outside at night with a bottle of moonshine 351 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: with him without a shirt on, and it never went anywhere. 352 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: It seems to me the mom did not want to prosecute. Obviously, 353 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: something was really wrong with this guy. Alicia mentioned that 354 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: he might have been in some type of a manic episode, 355 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: which crossed my mind as well, if he walked over 356 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty miles. The reality is, Nancy. If 357 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: you talk to anybody who works in child protective services 358 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: wrap around services, people who go out and investigate child 359 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: abuse cases, it is very common for the mother to 360 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: protect the predator. And one of the things that people 361 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: who work in these investigative services will tell us is 362 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: that as the investigator is coming to the front door, 363 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: the predator is being moved out the back door. In 364 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: other words, the family protects the predator and they will 365 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: often and this is so sad. I've heard this in 366 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: my practice. The predator will be moved out of the 367 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: house just as the investigator is coming to check on 368 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: the family, and then the predator is moved right back in. 369 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: When that person leaves. It's as if the mother sides 370 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: with the predator against the children, does not want to 371 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: believe it's happening. And remember, these predators groom the entire family. 372 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: They've not just groom the children, they groom the parents, 373 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: the mother, the father. So it's as if these mothers 374 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: fall under the predators fell and they cannot get away either. 375 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: I want to talk to a Sheriff, John Motts, Winnebago 376 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: County about a sting operation. Now, from what I understand, 377 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: this guy, who has had at least two offenses with 378 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: children that we know of, has not done any jail time, 379 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: and now this this is his third that we know of. 380 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jenkins, aged thirty two, recently moved from Oshkosh 381 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: to Whitestown, Indiana. Now we know he began exchanging instant 382 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: messages I MS with a person he thought was a 383 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl, Kylie. But it was a sting 384 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: operation set up by the Winnebago County Sheriff's office. And 385 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: with me, the sheriff, John Motts, tell me about the sting. 386 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: How does it work shareff well. In the case of 387 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: Tommy Jenkins, there was Facebook messages that occurred between Tommy 388 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: and our deputy, who he thought was a fourteen year 389 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: old girl. And as those messages continued to get more 390 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: serious and there was just discussion of him, of him 391 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: wanting her to go down there, and then he made 392 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: the suggestion or said that he would come up here 393 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: if they could have sex. And it did not take 394 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: long and Tommy was on board. He is clearly a predator, 395 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: and it is our duty to protect our kids, not 396 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: only here in Winnebago County, but also down there. Often 397 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: they will feel the heat in one particular area and 398 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: then they'll move and no one knows who he is, 399 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: and now he's just another face in the crowd, and 400 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: the victimization begins again. You know, the way that they 401 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: take on these identities to lure children online and somehow 402 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: keep the children complicit so the children don't tell. Alicia 403 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: Kaskevitch with me Kidnap assault Survivor. You can find her 404 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: and her whole story at Alicia Kozak dot com. Alicia, 405 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: how did your kid nap or first convince you he 406 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: was a girl your age? Then a boy your age 407 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: and then you end up getting kidnap. What did they say? 408 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: What did he say? Tyree to make you say you 409 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: were talking to another person your age. ChIL grooming is 410 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: really effective. And this happens back in two thousand and one, 411 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and so there was no Internet 412 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: safety education, There wasn't anything for me to go on. 413 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: And children are typically naive, and you want to trust people, 414 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: You want to believe people. And for me, I was 415 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: who I said I was. Why would you be somebody different. 416 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: I knew that they were evil and bad people in 417 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: the world, but they were elsewhere, and I never thought 418 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: that could happen to me. But what they do is 419 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: they are interested in whatever you are interested in, and 420 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: they act as though they are your best friend and 421 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: tell you everything that you want to hear versus what 422 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: you need to hear. So they fill in those insecurities 423 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: and those vulnerabilities that all children have, and that's what 424 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're looking to exploit those vulnerabilities to 425 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: latch onto them. And when they do that, the child 426 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: latch it back and then they get pulled further and 427 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: further away from their family and their teachers and people 428 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: who can protect them, and the predator becomes the one 429 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: person who truly understands them. Listen. Police say a convicted 430 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: sex offender could face more charges after an incident last night. 431 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: Right now, thirty one year old Brian Williamson is facing 432 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: charges of failing to register as a sex offender and 433 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: refusing to identify himself. Police say they were called to 434 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: a home on North Fourth Avenue around seven last night, 435 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: saying Williamson talked with an eight year old girl over 436 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: a fence. Police say Williamson had a box cutter, some cookies, 437 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: and a condom in his pocket, and that he gave 438 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: them a fake name. Police say a neighbor told them 439 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: he saw Williamson take pictures of the girl. Police say 440 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: that girl told them that he set up a Pokemon 441 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: app on her phone and has stopped by several times 442 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: to say hi. Police say they are getting a search 443 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: warrant for Williamson's phone and that some more charges could. 444 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at fourteen news WFIE in Evansville 445 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: and yet another case, a sex offender refuses to register 446 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: as a registered sex offender, then he ends up meeting 447 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: this little eight year old girl who was in a 448 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: cast by the way, playing out in the backyard unsupervised, 449 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: I might add, and he had approached her many many 450 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: times and gotten close enough to her to put a 451 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: Pokemon app on her phone. That's right. A man who 452 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: is a convicted sex offender travels all the way to 453 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: Indiana and shows up with cookies, a box cutter, and 454 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: a condom in his pocket. Now he's also accused of 455 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: possessing child porn and many other charges. He also on 456 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: his phone googled how to rape a little girl? As 457 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: it ends up a neighbor, howd to call nine one 458 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: one because a neighbor sees this guy approaching the little 459 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: girl sitting alone on her trampoline outside. The neighbor knew 460 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: that he didn't live in the area at the time. 461 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: He was already charged with three felonies and failure to 462 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: register as a sex offender lifetime parole violation. It goes 463 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: on and on. The odd thing is he looks so 464 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: much like Tommy Lee Jenkins, Doctor Bethany. This guy I'm 465 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: telling you about is a thirty one year old white 466 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: male that travels hundreds of miles to get to his 467 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: child victim. They look incredibly a lot, do you see 468 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: any similarities and these child predators, Well, the similarities I 469 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: see is that their whole lives are organized around their perversion. 470 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: They don't have other interests, nothing else is important to them, 471 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: and once they find one child victim to predate upon, 472 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: they become very focused and obsessed on the victim. So, 473 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: if you are a parent at listening to the show 474 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: and you have an adult who is more interested in 475 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: your child than you, always asking about your child, always 476 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: giving gifts to your child, when you see that laser 477 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: like focus, that is a huge warning sign. And these 478 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: guys traveled many, many miles to get to their victims, Nancy, 479 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: these predators, they offend on average for seventeen years before 480 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: they come to the attention of law enforcement. Men who 481 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: molest little boys have on average five hundred and forty 482 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: one victims or offenses against victims throughout their lifetimes. So 483 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: the commonality I see is not only the enormous amount 484 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: of energy, but the fact that the offenses occurs so 485 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: many times probation doesn't work. And even when they go 486 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: to jail, Nancy, all they're left within jail is their fantasies. 487 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: And when they get out of jail, they are even 488 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: more frenzied and more primed to offend, so they need 489 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: to be removed from society permanently. Time stories with Nancy Grace. 490 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: I want to circle back to Sheriff John Motts, Winnebago 491 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: County sheriff who conducted a sting operation and managed to 492 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: rope in Tommy Lee Jenkins, who had walked three hundred 493 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: and fifty one miles walked in order to have sex 494 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: relations with what he thought was a fourteen year old girl. 495 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: Sheriff Motts, how do you train your men and women 496 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: who performed these stings to go in and act like 497 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: a pyn We are extremely fortunate to have the individuals 498 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: we do working in our task force. They are extremely dedicated. 499 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: They will get up at two o'clock in the morning, 500 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: set an alarm, get up at two o'clock in the 501 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: morning to exchange information with predators because predators think, you know, 502 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: the detectives not working at two o'clock in the morning, 503 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: and we are now at their beckoning call, so to speak, 504 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: and all of their desires, and we want to make 505 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: sure that the investigation is absolutely complete. So it is 506 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: nothing but dedication and the certifications that they have gone through. 507 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: They're all highly trained in that area. You know, Sheriff 508 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: John mots with me these year if in Winnebago County. 509 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm railing about the fact that this guy wasn't already 510 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: in jail on the two previous incidents. But thank God 511 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: in Heaven you guys managed to do this sting and 512 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: get them behind bars this time. There are so many 513 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: cases to report on. I hope you're sitting down again. 514 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to ABC four News reporter and Emerson. 515 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: An eleven year old driver holds over randomly into a 516 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: restaurant parking lot early Monday morning. A police cruiser is there. 517 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: Within a minute, the officer gets out to investigate. The 518 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: boy shakes hands with the officer. The boy police he 519 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: was from Simpsonville. He said he took his brother's car 520 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: and drove two hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat. 521 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: He said he was going to live with him and 522 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: literally getting chills up and down my arms, Captain Dave 523 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: McK Internet crimes against children's task worse. This little boy, 524 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: an eleven year old child, My children, my twins are 525 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: eleven years old, meets a guy on Snapchat and is 526 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: groomed and coast to take the family car, get into 527 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: the car in the night and drive overnight, hundreds of miles, 528 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: an eleven year old child driving and by the grace 529 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: of God, yeah, I said it. This had to be 530 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: divine intervention. The likelihood that in the middle of the night, 531 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: in the dark, this little boy driving all night, eleven 532 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: years old, pulled into a restaurant where a cruiser happened 533 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: to be sitting there, and he happens to see the 534 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: boy and strike up a conversation. He met a grown 535 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: man on snap Chat, Captain David mac and was going 536 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: to quote live with him Snapchat. Yes, Unfortunately, our children 537 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: are using these times of applications, in these types of 538 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: websites to meet people that they don't know who they 539 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: are or you know what really touched a nerve with 540 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: me and listening to one of your other guests when 541 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: we talked to both the grooming procedures. Oftentimes, like in 542 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jenkins case, these children are seeking certain things, 543 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: whether it's a parental figure or as in the other case, 544 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: somebody that's having issues with an eating disorder. They play 545 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: off of those weaknesses and they use that to groom 546 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: them and get them to meet them at different places. 547 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: You know, I keep thinking about Alicia. Alicia is with 548 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: me right now, and I'm going to talk about you 549 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: because you don't take enough credit. Alicia Kozakevitch with me, 550 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: kidnap assault survivor. You can find at Alicia kozac dot com. 551 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: I've heard her entire story and what she went through 552 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: as a little girl. It's it's daunting and if you 553 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: could see her, she's stunning, articulate, educated, She's quote turned 554 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: her life around. But for every Alicia Koskevitch, there are 555 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: hundreds of other children. Right now, I've got so many 556 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: kidnapped children, missing children, abused children. I don't have enough 557 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: hours to help find them all. Alicia was so abused, 558 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: sex assaulted, beaten, was forced to wear a shot collar 559 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: chained to the floor that this guy that took her 560 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: sent out a video of her crying and it was 561 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: so bad he sent it to another child porn pornster, 562 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: and that guy, as evil as he is, called police. 563 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: That's how Alicia was found. And that day her perpetrator said, 564 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: you know what, I've talked to you so much, I've 565 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: actually started to like you. I'm going to take you 566 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: for a drive tonight. She as a child, knew she 567 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: was going to die that night, and she heard lawmen, 568 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: lawmen and women breaking in the door. She hid. She 569 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: thought she was about to die. That is what she 570 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: lived through. That is what this child lived through. Now 571 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: a survivor, leave page. What is happening with Tommy Lee Jenkins. 572 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: This is his third go around trying to lure children 573 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: that we know of. Please tell me he is in 574 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: jail right now. You are correct. He is in jail, Nancy, 575 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: and he is charged with using a computer to attempt 576 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: to persuade and deuce or entice a minor to engage 577 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: in unlawful sexual activity. And that comes with a mandatory 578 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: minimum of ten years in prison and the potential for 579 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: a life sentence. I'm happy about that, and I applaud 580 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: your John Motts and his people, Captain Dave Mack fighting 581 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: the good fight. But I've got to leave on this note. 582 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: For everyone that we catch, there's a thousand getting away 583 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: with it right now. They could be your neighbor. They 584 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: could be the college professor, your past or your Sunday 585 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: school teacher. I don't know, but they are out there 586 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: and they are coming for our children. But guess what, 587 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: I'm locked and loaded Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off 588 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,